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IF IT'S, UNLESS

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THERE'S ANY OBJECTION, I'M GOING TO BEGIN SOME

[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 14, 2020 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 PUBLIC ADVISORY: THE COUNCIL CHAMBER WILL NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC Pursuant to Section 3 of Executive Order N-29-20, issued by Governor Newsome on March 17, 2020, the Regular Meeting of the City of La Habra Planning Commission for September 14, 2020, will be conducted telephonically through Zoom. Please be advised that pursuant to the Executive Order, and to ensure the health and safety of the public by limiting human contact that could spread the COVID-19 virus, the Council Chamber will not be open for the meeting. Planning Commissioners will participate telephonically and will not be physically present in the Council Chamber. In accordance with Executive Order N-25-20, guidance from the California Department of Public Health on gatherings, and in an effort to slow the spread of COVID-19 and to ensure the health and safety of our community, remote public participation can be done by: 1. Submitting an email to planningcommission@lahabraca.gov no later than 5:15 p.m. on Monday, September 14, 2020. 2. Participating via Zoom during the meeting on an audio only conference call by dialing 1-669-900-9128 and entering Meeting ID: 817 4728 7385 and Passcode 829054. Please note, you will enter the meeting muted, but if you want to comment during the public comment portions of the agenda, press *9, at the appropriate time indicated by the Chair during the meeting, and your call will be selected from the meeting cue. Before you press *9, turn off other electronic devices and turn down background noise at your location to avoid interference with your call. Please note that speakers must limit their comments to three minutes each and that the total time period for public comments is 30 minutes. Your patience with these changes is appreciated as the City adjusts to new ways of conducting business during the COVID-19 pandemic. ]

OF THE PRELIMINARIES OF THE MEETING PROCEEDINGS BEFORE WE ACTUALLY CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER.

SO IF WE'RE ALREADY, I WILL BEGIN NOW AND I'LL SAY GOOD EVENING TO EVERYBODY AT CITY HALL, AS WELL AS ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT ARE PARTICIPATING IN THIS MEETING OF THE ARBOR CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, MY NAME IS DARREN EXTERRAN.

I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMISSION, AND I'M ALSO JOINED BY VICE CHAIR, JASON MANLEY, COMMISSIONER, JERRY POWELL, COMMISSIONER, MICHELLE BERNAY AND COMMISSIONER MANNY MUNOZ.

AND SO IN ACCORDANCE WITH EXECUTIVE ORDER AND DASH TWO, FIVE DASH TWO ZERO GUIDANCE FROM THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH ON GATHERINGS AND INTERNET SLOW THE SPREAD OF COVID-19 AND TO ENSURE THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY, THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION IS BEING CONDUCTED VIA TELECONFERENCE.

ALL PARTICIPANTS WILL BE CALLING IN FROM A REMOTE LOCATION, EXCEPT CITY STAFF WILL BE IN THEIR OFFICES AT CITY HALL AND A COUPLE OF THINGS TOO, FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO FOLLOW THE MEETING, IT'S AVAILABLE ON TWO DIFFERENT PLATFORMS, TWO ADDITIONAL PLATFORMS OR VENUES.

THE CITY OF LAHABRA FACEBOOK PAGE SHOULD BE STREAMING.

THIS MEETING LIVE AS WELL AS THE CITY OF LAHABRA ON YOUTUBE.

SO YOU WOULD JUST SEARCH FOR THE CITY OF LA HARBOR ON YOUTUBE, AND YOU SHOULD FIND A LIVE FEED THERE.

AND AS MAYBE WE HAVE NOTICED THAT THIS IS A NEW PLATFORM, A NEW WAY OF CONDUCTING CITY BUSINESS.

IT CAN OCCASIONALLY GET GLITCHY.

SO I ASK EVERYBODY'S INDULGENCE AND PATIENTS, UH, IT'S ALMOST CERTAIN THAT SOME LITTLE THINGS WILL GO WRONG, WHICH WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS ON THE FLY.

SO I CONTINUE BY SAYING NOTICES FOR THIS MEETING WERE MAILED TO EVERY ADDRESS IN THE CITY AND TO THE LEGAL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROJECT AREA, THE NOTICES NOTICES INCLUDED INFORMATION ON HOW THE PUBLIC CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING FOR THOSE THAT HAVE CALLED IN OR ARE JOINING US BY VIDEO, PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU ARE MUTED OR AT LEAST YOU SHOULDN'T BE, IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE AGENDA, PRESS STAR NINE.

AND IF YOU WERE CALLING IN BY PHONE OR USE THE RAISE YOUR HAND OPTION, IF YOU ARE USING VIDEO AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME AND AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME, I SHOULD SAY, AND THEN PLEASE WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHARE OR STAFF DURING THE MEETING.

YOUR CALL WILL BE SELECTED FROM THE MEETING QUEUE WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO SPEAK, WE ARE EXPECTING A LARGE VOLUME OF CALLS AND PARTICIPANTS THIS EVENING.

SO PLEASE BE PATIENT AS IT MAY TO TAKE SOME TIME FOR YOUR INDIVIDUAL CHANCE TO ARRIVE.

EVERYONE THAT WISHED TO SPEAK THOUGH CAN BE GUARANTEED, WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

IN ADDITION, EMAILS RECEIVED PRIOR TO NOON ON SEPTEMBER 10TH WERE INCLUDED WITHIN THE AGENDA PACKAGE, WHICH WAS POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AT 5:00 PM, SEPTEMBER 10TH, EMAILS RECEIVED AFTER SEPTEMBER 10TH AND PRIOR TO THE START OF TONIGHT'S MEETING WERE FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR REVIEW EMAILS RECEIVED.

ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING IS COMMENCED WILL BE CONSIDERED AFTER ALL ORAL TESTIMONY IS COMPLETED AND THE CHAIR OKAY FOR MATH, FOR EVERYBODY OUT THERE.

AND OF COURSE IT'S BORROWING ANY SUDDEN DISCONNECTS.

AND LET ME ADD VERY QUICKLY THAT IF FOR SOME REASON, A COMMISSIONER, FOR EXAMPLE, DOES GET DISCONNECTED, HOPEFULLY VERY TEMPORARILY THAT WILL STOP US TEMPORARILY UNTIL WE CAN REACQUIRE THAT COMMISSION.

IF THE COMMISSIONER SUFFERS A MAJOR OUTAGE AS IN POWER OR INTERNET, THAT MAY REQUIRE MORE EXTENDED RECESS.

AND THE GENERAL PLAN AT THIS POINT IS FOR THE COMMISSIONER TO ACTUALLY DRIVE THE CITY HALL AND THEN WE'D RESUME THE MEETING.

BUT THAT'S AN UNLIKELY SITUATION.

I THINK THAT WE'LL PROBABLY MANAGE DOWNLINE FOR THE DURATION.

SO IT BEGINS IN THIS WAY.

THE COMMISSIONER WILL ASK FOR STAFF REPORT, FOLLOWING THE STAFF REPORT, THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

NEXT COMMISSION WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO COME FORWARD TO MAKE A PRESENTATION ON THE PROJECT.

FOLLOWING THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION, THE COMMISSION WILL ASK QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, FOLLOWING STAFF AND APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS.

THE COMMISSION WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FIRST FROM THOSE WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

NEXT, CONDITIONAL LAST TO HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WILL BE ALLOWED TO DO SO NO TIME LIMIT IS PLACED ON INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS.

HOWEVER, IT IS REQUESTED THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO NEW INFORMATION.

AND WITH THAT, I'LL ADD TO BE VERY CLEAR.

THIS COMMISSION DOES NOT WANT TO RESTRICT RESTRAINT OR DISCOURAGE ANYBODY FROM SPEAKING IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, EXCEPT THAT I'M ASKING THE PUBLIC TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE A TENTATIVE, A GERMAN TIME OF 10 30 OR THEREABOUTS, WHETHER THE, WHETHER WE'VE COMPLETED THE MEETING OR NOT.

SO IF YOU'RE ABOUT TO SPEAK AND YOU'VE HEARD THE LAST 10, 15 PEOPLE SAY BASICALLY THE EXACT SAME THING, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, JUST BE MINDFUL OF THAT FACT.

AND YOU MIGHT CONSIDER SAYING, I ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER, BUT AGAIN, AT THE END YOU USE YOUR OWN BEST JUDGMENT.

JUST RECOGNIZE THAT WE MIGHT HAVE AS MANY AS A COUPLE OF HUNDRED PEOPLE WISHING TO SPEAK.

AND IT'S EVERYONE'S GOAL TO RUN AN EFFICIENT AND EFFICIENT AND EXPEDITIOUS MEETING.

AND SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING.

AND OF COURSE, BEAR IN MIND THAT ANYONE WHO DOES BECOME ABUSIVE OR DISPLAYS ANY INAPPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR WILL BE CUT OFF FROM THE STREAM.

SO PLEASE BEAR THAT IN MIND FOR, SO TO ESTABLISH THE RULES, THERE WILL BE A 10:30 PM CURFEW, AS I MENTIONED, ANY BUSINESS NOT COMPLETED BY THAT TIME WILL BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH AT THIS POINT WOULD BE A TOMORROW AT SIX 30.

OH, THAT SAID, THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY

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WITH THIS IN THAT IF WE'RE, IF WE HAVE NOT THAT MANY SPEAKERS REMAINING AT 10 30 AND MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT THE DELIBERATIONS WILL TAKE TIME AS A, AS WELL, WE MAY DECIDE AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR AND WITH A DISCUSSION AMONG MY COLLEAGUES TO CONTINUE PAST THAT TIME.

BUT, UH, I CAN SAY THAT WHAT WE'RE ALMOST CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO DO IS HAVE A MARATHON SESSION THAT GOES INTO THE WEE HOURS BECAUSE AS PEOPLE HAVE ALWAYS SAID, NO GOOD DECISIONS TYPICALLY GET MADE MUCH PAST 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT.

SO IF IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S STILL A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WISH TO SPEAK, AND WE'RE JUST, WE JUST CAN'T GET IT IN TONIGHT.

THEN WE WILL ADJOURN AND RECONVENE TOMORROW NIGHT, THE COMMISSION WILL ALSO TAKE TWO 10 MINUTE BREAKS.

THE FIRST WILL BE AT THE END OF THE STAFF AND APPLICANT PRESENTATIONS.

THE SECOND WILL BE HALFWAY THROUGH THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, UH, THIS EVENING.

AND AGAIN, I'LL ADD THAT.

THERE'S FLEXIBILITY WITH THAT AS WELL.

I ASSURE YOU THAT I WON'T BE CUTTING ANYBODY OFF MIDSTREAM TO TAKE A BREAK.

UH, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL INAPPROPRIATE TIME, BUT GIVE OR TAKE, WE WILL BE TAKING TWO BREAKS, SAY IN THE COURSE OF A FOUR HOUR MEETING.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WITH THAT SAID AT THIS TIME, THE MEETING IS NOW OFFICIALLY CALLED ORDER, AND I'D ASK EVERYONE TO JOIN.

VICE-CHAIR MANLY IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

AND BEFORE WE BEGIN, BEAR IN MIND, THE COMMISSIONERS WILL NOT BE RECITING THE PLEDGE BECAUSE THAT WILL COMPLETELY DESTROY THE AUDIO FEED.

AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY EVEN TO STAND, BUT I WOULD ASK OF COURSE, THAT WE PLACE OUR HANDS OVER OUR HEARTS.

SO VICE-CHAIR MANLY.

IF YOU WOULD PLEASE READY, BEGIN.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

VICE-CHAIR MANLY.

WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL.

THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION, SECRETARY DEPARTMENT COMMISSION, AMMONIA, COMMISSIONER BERNIER, COMMISSIONER POWELL, VICE CHAIR, MANLEY, SHARON NAZARIAN, ALL OUR PRESIDENTS.

THANK YOU.

NOW THIS IS THE TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF INTEREST TO THE, TO THE PUBLIC THAT IS WITHIN THE SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION NOT APPEARING ON THE AGENDA.

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE.

SPEAKING TIME, AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE FOR GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION FIVE, FOUR NINE FIVE, 4.37, THE COMMISSION CANNOT TAKE ACTION OR EXPRESS A CONSENSUS OF APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL ON ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS REGARDING MATTERS, WHICH DO NOT APPEAR ON THE PRINTED AGENDA.

SO AGAIN, TO BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME FOR SOMETHING THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT, THE RANCHO LAHABRA PROPOSAL.

SO THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO SPEAK, UH, IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM ABOUT RANCHO.

THIS WOULD BE ABOUT SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT AND THERE ARE TIME CONSTRAINTS ON THAT.

SO AGAIN, AS A REMINDER, IF ANYONE WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION RIGHT NOW, UH, NOT ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE DIAL STAR NINE AND WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED AND VERONICA AT YOUR CONVENIENCE.

PLEASE ADVISE AS TO WHETHER WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS TO READ INTO THE RECORD OR ANYBODY HOLDING, WISHING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON A NON AGENDA ITEM.

THERE ARE THREE SPEAKERS WHO WISH TO SPEAK, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE WISHING TO SPEAK ON NOW OR LATER, DO YOU WANT ME TO UNMUTE THEM? UH, SURE.

LET'S FIND OUT.

SO THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE TELEPHONE NUMBER (714) 380-7836.

WELCOME SPEAKER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON A MATTER, NOT ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING SPEAKER EITHER ONE MORE WITH PHONE NUMBER (714) 315-7828.

WELCOME SPEAKER.

DO YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON A NON AGENDIZED ITEM THIS EVENING? SPEAKER, ARE YOU THERE? HI.

YES, I AM HERE.

I, UH, AM HERE TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA FOR THE, UH, PROPOSED A GOLF COURSE.

UH, ALL RIGHT.

SO THIS, AS I WAS MENTIONING, THIS IS NOT THE TIME TO DO THAT.

THIS IS NOT THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE, UH, ON THE RANCHO PROJECT.

THIS IS FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RANCHO PROJECT.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK YOU TO, UH, TO SIT TIGHT AND WAIT FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RANCHO PROJECT TO BEGIN.

AT WHICH TIME YOU CAN SPEAK

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EITHER IN FAVOR OR AN OPPOSITION.

IS THAT OKAY? OH, THAT, THAT IS PERFECTLY FINE.

I JUST HIT START A STAR NINE TOO EARLY.

NO PROBLEM.

NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

WE'LL TALK TO YOU LATER.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

AND SO IS THAT IT VERONICA? THAT'S IT GOOD? WE WILL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR ON MATTERS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE.

IT WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS COMMISSIONER REMEMBER THE AUDIENCE REQUESTS SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.

MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON REMOVED ITEMS. I HAD PUBLIC COMMENT.

THAT'D BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES FOR INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE.

SPEAKING TIME, AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

SO BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH ONLY INCLUDES APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING, AUGUST 10TH, 2020, THAT'S THE ONLY THING ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH.

SO DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE THE MINUTES FOR ANY DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER MUNOZ? NO.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIR, MAN.

NO, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER PAUL, MR. PAL, ANY ADDITIONS OR CORRECTIONS? NO, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BURNETT.

NO THANK YOU.

AND I DO NOT.

IS THERE ANYONE FOR THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO HAVE THE MINUTES REMOVED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, PRESS STAR NINE NOW NINE.

NOW, IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AND WAIT TO BE ANNOUNCED IN VERONICA AT YOUR CONVENIENCE, SO ADVISE US OKAY.

THERE'S NO ONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME, I HAVE A MOTION.

I MAKE A MOTION THE MINUTES OF AUGUST 10TH.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE A SECOND SECOND THAT YOU, JERRY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU MADE BY COMMISSIONER BERNAY AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER POWELL.

WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER SECRETARY CARMEN CALLING ROLL COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER FOR NEAR HAYDN.

MICHELLE SAID YES.

COMMISSIONER PAL.

YES, YES, YES, YES.

OH, APOLOGIES EVERYBODY.

IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE HAVING SOME FEEDBACK ON OUR END.

WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE ISSUE RESOLVED HERE AND WHEN CARMEN'S READY, SHE'LL UH, FORMALIZE THE VOTE ON THE MINUTES.

NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

THIS IS CARMEN.

CAN EVERYONE HEAR ME? EVERYONE HEAR ME? YES.

YES.

MOTION COUNTS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH CRONIN.

SO WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.

AS A REMINDER, THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST.

AND THEN THE COMMISSIONER WILL HEAR FROM THOSE

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IN OPPOSITION.

REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR AND REBUTTALS WILL BE DIFFICULT TONIGHT BECAUSE WE HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE REBUTTALS PROBABLY WILL BE RESTRICTED IN THAT YOU SHOULD, UH, YOUR URGE TO STATE YOUR CASE AS SUCCINCTLY AS YOU CAN.

WHEN THE TIME COMES AFTER ALL IT'S SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL ENTER INTO DELIBERATIONS AND DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTION.

IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.

IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED.

AND WHEN CALLED, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF BY SLOWLY SPELLING OUT YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND STATE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

PLEASE KNOW HE MAY ONLY ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ONCE DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND ALSO BY WAY OF EXPLANATION, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ON A ZOOM PLATFORM WHERE YOU CAN USUALLY SEE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS WHEN THEY'RE SPEAKING.

THERE WILL BE TIMES, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER WHO NEEDS TO GET UP ON DOCTOR'S ORDERS AND STAND AND STRETCH.

UH, HE'S GOING TO DO THAT.

UH, THERE'S GONNA BE TIMES WHEN A COMMISSIONER WILL WANT TO SNEEZE OFF CAMERA OR COUGH, OR EVEN TAKE A SIP OF WATER, WHICH CASE YOU'LL SEE THE STILL IMAGE POP UP, WHETHER IT'S DURING A PUBLIC HEARING OR SOME OTHER TIME REST ASSURED A AND B AND BE CERTAIN THAT WE ARE LISTENING, WHETHER YOU SEE OUR STILL PICTURE THERE FOR A MOMENT OR NOT, WE'RE LISTENING TO EVERYTHING, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, UH, WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL HUMAN BEINGS AND IT'S A LONG MEETING.

SO WITH THAT SAID, THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS CONSIDERATION OF NUMBER ONE, GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE.

TO CHANGE THE LAND, USE DESIGNATION FROM OPEN SPACE TO LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL ZERO, IS THAT A ZERO TO EIGHT ACRES OR UNITS PER ACRE? EXCUSE ME FOR PLANNING AREAS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, AND MIXED USE ONE FOR PLANNING AREA FIVE OF THE RANCHO WILL HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN TO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT WHEN EIGHT GESTURE ONE AND THAT'S SCH NUMBER TWO (015) 111-0453 AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, IT'S A LITTLE HARBOR HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN FOR ZONE CHANGE WHEN EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM LAW, ROBERT HILL SPECIFIC PLAN TO RANCHO LAHABRA SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE AREA OCCUPIED BY THE WESTBRIDGE GOLF COURSE BY ADOPTION OF THE RANCHO LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN SIX VESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP ONE SEVEN EIGHT FOUR FIVE SEVEN DESIGNER THREE 1-801-318-DASH ZERO FIVE FOR ANGELA HOPPER SPECIFIC PLAN AREAS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN, AND FINALLY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE.

SO THERE WE HAVE IT TO THIS EVENING AND MAYBE PLEASE HAVE A STAFF REPORT.

YES.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS ANN FOR HAUTE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

PLEASE ALLOW US FOR A FEW MOMENTS TO TRANSITION THESE BREAM POWERPOINT, UM, WHERE WE START WANTING TO INTRODUCE, UH, STAFF AT CITY STAFF.

THAT'S PRESENT FOR THIS ITEM.

THE ATTORNEYS YOUNG FROM RICHARD WATSON RASHAAN WILL BE SERVING AS THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PROVIDING COUNSEL TO THE COMMISSION, A CITY ATTORNEY JEANETTA GIOVINCO FROM RICHARD'S WATSON.

FIRST, SEAN IS ALSO PRESENT TO PROVIDE STAFF SUPPORT, UH, LLOYD ZOLA FROM METIS, UH, IS ALSO HERE IN ATTENDANCE AND CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS IS, UH, UH, PART OF THE COMPANY THAT PREPARED THE EIR.

AND LASTLY FROM THE CITY, WE HAVE, UH, UH, VARIOUS CITY REPRESENTATIVES ON HAND, INCLUDING THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER, MICHAEL PLOTNIK, THE CITY, UH, ENGINEER, CHRIS JOHANSON, UH, GREG WONG FROM ALBERT GROVER AND ASSOCIATES.

AND, UH, THE CASE PLANNER FOR TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION WILL BE PRESENTED BY PLANNING MANAGER, ROY RAMBLER.

SO AT THIS TIME I WILL HAND IT OVER TO ROY TO BEGIN OUR STAFF PRESENTATION.

UH, IT'LL TAKE ABOUT 30 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH THE PRESENTATION THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU, ROY.

YES.

GOOD EVENING.

THIS IS ROY.

CAN EVERYBODY SEE THE POWERPOINT? YES.

OKAY, EXCELLENT.

SO I WILL GO THROUGH THESE SLIDES TONIGHT.

UM, AND IF WE HAVE, WE HAVE QUESTIONS, I WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO KEEP THEM TILL TO THE END OF THE PRESENTATION.

SO AS THE BACKGROUND OF THIS PROJECT ON THIS SITE WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF THE, UH, COYOTE HILLS OFF OIL FIELDS.

UM, IT WAS INCORPORATED INTO FULLERTON AND LAHABRA IN 1992, THE CITY ADOPTED THE LABRUM HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH CREATED THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY.

THAT'S THERE RIGHT NOW.

THE LAHABRA HILLS PLAN PROVIDED FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF FOUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS WITH A COMBINATION OF 700 UNITS, AN 18 HOLE GOLF COURSE AND 25.9 ACRE PARK AND TWO AND A HALF ACRES APPROXIMATELY OF OPEN SPACE.

UM, THE PLAN WAS AMENDED SUBSEQUENTLY.

UM, THE MULTIFAMILY AREAS WAS LIMITED, UM, RESULTING IN

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THE 556 HOMES THAT EXIST OUT THERE TODAY.

SO THIS AREA OUTLINED IN PINK IS THE LOCATION OF THE, AND THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH I JUST DESCRIBED.

UM, THE AREA NOW HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.

THIS IS THE GOLF COURSE AREA.

UM, THIS IS THE AREA THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE THE LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN SO THAT THIS WOULD REPRESENT THE BOUNDARY CHANGE.

SO THIS WOULD BECOME A SEPARATE PLAN.

SO WITHIN THIS PLAN, THE YELLOW AREAS YOU SEE BEFORE YOU IN THIS SLIDE WOULD BE THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

THE GREEN AREAS WOULD BE THE OPEN SPACE AREAS.

UM, THE BEIGEY BROWN COLORS REPRESENT MULTIPLE FAMILY AREA AND TH THE STRIPED AREA REPRESENTS THE AREA THAT COULD BE EITHER MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL.

UM, BUT THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE THAT THE APPLICANT IS PUTTING FORTH IS FOR THAT TO BE MULTIPLE FAMILY.

SO HERE'S KIND OF JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW OF THE, OF THE FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS THAT, THAT EXIST WITHIN, WITHIN THE PLAN AREA.

SO PLAN, PLAN AREA ONE, WHICH IF YOU CAN SEE MY CURSOR OVER HERE IS THE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE FAMILY PORTION, WHICH HAS, HAS 125 UNITS PLANNING AREA TWO, WHICH IS THIS BOX RIGHT HERE, UM, HAS 118 UNITS PLANNING AREA THREE OVER HERE HAS 82 UNITS AND PLANNING AREA, EXCUSE ME, 77 UNITS AND PLANNING AREA FOR OVER HERE HAS 82 UNITS.

UM, PLANNING AREA FIVE HAS THE ADDITIONAL, UH, 46 UNITS OF MULTIPLE MULTIPLE FAMILY.

UM, THE BIG GREEN AREA IN THE, IN THE MIDDLE IS THE AREA THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE THE OPEN SPACE, UM, PARK AND COMMUNITY CENTER.

AND THE LIGHT GREEN AREAS AROUND THE EDGE ARE ALSO OPEN SPACE.

AND THOSE ARE PRIMARILY THE SLOPES OF THE EXISTING RIDGE NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO HERE'S JUST A QUICK EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, THE DRAWING AT THE TOP, THIS IS JUST A REPRESENTATION OF THE MULTIFAMILY AREA.

AND THE SECOND DRAWINGS JUST SHOWS A SAMPLING OF SOME OF THE SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL HOMES.

SO AS THE CHAIRMAN INDICATED EARLIER, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REQUESTED ACTIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH THIS REQUEST.

UM, SO I'M GOING TO BE WALKING YOU THROUGH EACH ACTION, UH, AS WE GO.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK FIRST, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, FROM THE OPEN SPACE TO RESIDENTIAL, THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF THE LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENT.

UH, THEN WE'LL, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE ZONE CHANGE, UH, THE LA RANCHO LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN PROPER, UM, THE TENTATIVE MAP, AND THEN LASTLY, THE DESIGN REVIEWS OF THE SPECIFIC ARCHITECTURE AND LAYOUT OF EACH OF THE PLANNING AREAS.

AND THEN FINALLY THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL BE CONSIDERING, UM, AND FORWARDING TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE.

ALL OF THESE ITEMS GET FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL ACTION.

SO FIRST WE'LL START WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.

SO PURSUANT TO SEEK WHILE THE NIR WAS PREPARED FOR THIS PROJECT, THE PURPOSE OF THE SQL IS, AND THE ERS TO INFORM THE DECISION MAKERS ABOUT SIGNIFICANT EFFECTS AND IDENTIFY WAYS TO AVOID OR MINIMIZE THOSE EFFECTS, ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENT PROCESS TO RANCHO LA HARBOR STARTED WITH A SCOPING MEETING TO SOLICIT INFORMATION AND COMMENTS FROM INTERESTED PARTIES AND A DRAFT EIR WAS PREPARED AND CIRCULATED FOR PUBLIC COMMENT IN 2018 POTENTIAL IMPACTS WERE IDENTIFIED AND ANALYZED IN THAT EIR.

AFTER THAT THE REVIEW PERIOD WAS OVER 141 COMMENTS RECEIVED ON THAT DOCUMENT, UM, BY VARIOUS INTEREST GROUPS AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC IN PREPARING RESPONSES TO THE COMMENTS, NEW INFORMATION WAS INCLUDED.

SO MODIFICATIONS TO THE PROJECT DESCRIPTION, NEW BIOLOGICAL RESOURCES SURVEY, UPDATING MAPPING, AND IMPACT ANALYSIS, AN UPDATED TRAFFIC ANALYSIS, WHICH INDICATED THE PROJECT WOULD GENERATE GREATER TRAFFIC THAN, OR WAS ORIGINALLY DETERMINED, UPDATED AIR QUALITY, GREENHOUSE GAS, ENERGY AND NOISE ANALYSIS WERE PREPARED.

AND THE NEW INFORMATION RESULTED IN A PARTIALLY RECIRCULATED EIR THAT WAS CIRCULATED IN NOVEMBER 29 FOR 20, EXCUSE ME, 22ND ENDING ON JANUARY THE 17TH.

OKAY.

AND BY PARTIALLY

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RECIRCULATED, WHAT THIS MEANS IS ONLY THE NEW INFORMATION WAS RECIRCULATED.

THE PREVIOUS CIRCULAR INFORMATION FROM THE ORIGINALLY I R THAT DID NOT CHANGE WAS NOT CIRCULATED AGAIN, BUT DID REMAIN POSTED ON THE, AND AVAILABLE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE FOR REVIEW DURING THAT WHOLE TIME UPON COMPLETION OF THE REVIEW PERIOD, UM, WRITTEN COMMENTS, OR WERE PREPARED, UM, AND SENT TO THE AGENCIES AND ALSO, UM, WRITTEN INTO THE DOCUMENTS.

SO THE FINAL DRAFT EIR IS COMPOSED OF THREE VOLUMES.

SO THE FIRST VOLUME IS THE DRAFT EIR AND PEN DIS-EASE FROM THE FIRST TIME, ALONG WITH THE REVISIONS TO TEXT AND IN THE MITIGATION MONITORING PLAN, WHILE YOU TO IS THAT PARTIALLY RECIRCULATED OR NEW INFORMATION.

AND THEN VOLUME THREE IS ALL THE, ALL THE COMMENTS AND ALL THE RESPONSES TO THOSE COMMENTS.

UM, THESE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW ON THE CITY WEBSITE SINCE JULY 20TH.

WELL, THE FINDINGS CONCLUDE THAT THE PROJECT, IF APPROVED THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT UNAVOIDABLE IMPACTS IN THE AREAS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE HERE, SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS DO NOT MEAN THAT A PROJECT CANNOT BE APPROVED EHRS DO NOT MAKE JUDGEMENTS, DETERMINATION.

THEY MERELY IDENTIFY THE IMPACTS.

THE PROJECT MAY BRING BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT OUTWEIGH THE IMPACTS IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, WHICH IN THIS CASE IS THE CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW THE FACTS AND ITS BENEFITS AND SEE IF THE PR, IF THE PROJECT OUTWEIGHS THE IMPACT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S IN THE PROCESS IS TO CONSIDER THE PROJECT AND WHETHER WE'D BE CONSISTENT WITH THE BROAD OVERALL VISION OF THE GENERAL PLAN AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY PLAN ACCORDINGLY.

OKAY, NEXT UP IS THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

AND THIS IS KIND OF THE MAIN ACTION, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT.

CAUSE EVERY, EVERY SUBSEQUENT ACTION THAT HINGES ON THIS, WHAT HAPPENS HERE.

SO THE PROJECT IS REQUESTED TO CHANGE IT TO OPEN SPACE FOR PLANNING AREAS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, WHICH WOULD BE THE LOW DENSITY AND AREAS ONE IN FIVE, WHICH WOULD BE THE MIXED MEDIUM DENSITY PLANNING AREAS.

SIX AS I END IN SEVEN, AS I INDICATED BEFORE, REMAIN THERE OPEN SPACE DESIGNATION.

UM, ADDITIONALLY THERE WOULD BE TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, THROUGHOUT ABOUT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF HOUSING UNITS AND REFERRING TO DELETIONS OF, OF THE GOLF COURSE.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS TO CONSIDER ONE FOR THE COMMISSION AND COUNCIL AND LOOKING AT THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

UM, FIRST UP WE HAVE THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2014, DID NOT CONTEMPLATE, UH, RESIDENTIAL FOR THIS SITE.

HOWEVER, THE GENERAL PLAN DOES ALLOW FOR IT TO BE PERIODICALLY UPDATED, TO RESPOND, TO CHANGING COMMUNITY NEEDS.

UH, THE VISION STATEMENT IN THE GENERAL PLAN DISCUSSES HOW THE COMMUNITY WILL GROW AND DEVELOP WITH THE OVERALL GOAL OF RETAINING THE COMMUNITY CHARACTER, UH, FOCUSING ON REINVESTMENT AND REVITALIZATION OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY IN THE, HOW WILL WE GROW DISCUSSION IN THE GENERAL PLAN, THE PLANNING, COURAGES, NEW HOMES AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE COMPATIBLE AS A CITY STRIVES TO MAINTAIN A CHARACTER AND A BALANCE OF PLACES TO WORK, LIVE, SHOP, AND RECREATE OTHER ITEMS TO CONSIDER THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO OPEN SPACE WOULD RESULT IN THE ELIMINATION OF THE GOLF COURSE WITH REPLACEMENT OF THE, OF A NEW RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY PARK TRAILS IN AN A COMMUNITY CENTER.

UH, THE AMENDMENT WOULD NOT CREATE A DISJOINTED LAND USE SAYS AS IN ALL THE USES AROUND HERE OR ARE ALREADY RESIDENTIAL USES.

SO IT WOULDN'T BE A NATURAL FIT.

IF THE DECISION IS MADE TO GO THAT DIRECTION, UH, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT WOULD RESULT IN THE CITIES ACHIEVING ITS GOAL OF PROVIDING 2.5 ACRES OF PUBLIC PARK AREA PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS.

THE CITY HAS CURRENTLY 2.29 ACRES PER THOUSAND.

UH, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD RESULT IN 2.71.

UM, THE DISTINCTION HERE IS WHY THE GOLF COURSE IS THERE AND IT'S OPEN SPACE.

IT DOES NOT COUNT AS BEING PARK AREA, WHICH IS SO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT WAYS OF LOOKING AT HOW OPEN SPACE IS USED WITHIN THE CITY OF THE ELIMINATION OF THE GOLF COURSE WOULD MEAN THE LOSS OF A HELD OPERATED RECREATIONAL AMENITY THAT MOST LIKELY COULD NOT BE REPLACED ANYWHERE IN THE CITY.

UH, THE GENERAL PLAN WOULD CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE ADJACENT COMMUNITY AS IN ALL THE STREETS ARE NAMED AFTER GOLF COURSES AND GOLF PLAYERS.

AND THE COMMUNITY WAS ORIGINALLY MARKETED WITH THE GOLF COURSES AS ITS CENTERPIECE.

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ADDITIONAL ITEMS ARE AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WAS PREPARED.

UM, THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS, UM, AGAIN ARE NOT A REASON TO NOT APPROVE THE PROJECT IS SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ROLE AGAIN, IS TO CONSIDER THE PROJECT, ALL THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY RECEIVED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THEY RECEIVED FROM THE COUNCIL, AND THEN MAKE THAT DECISION, UH, BASED ON THEIR JUDGMENT BASED ON REVIEWING ALL OF THOSE FACTS.

UM, SUBSEQUENTLY REQUESTS INCLUDE THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT THAT APPROVES THE LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN, THE AMENDMENT TO THE NUMBER AND THE ZONE CHANGE HAS TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.

ONCE THE SPECIFIC PLAN ARE CONSISTENT, UM, BECAUSE ALL OF THESE ITEMS ARE ADOPTED.

UM, THEN NICK CONDITION COMMISSION CAN CONSIDER THE TENTATIVE MAP AND THE ACTUAL DESIGN REVIEW.

AND LASTLY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IN THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT, UM, NONE OF THESE SUBSTANCE, AGAIN, NONE OF THESE CAN BE APPROVED WITHOUT THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

OKAY.

SO THE AMENDMENT TO THE LABRUM HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPOSAL INCLUDES AS A REVISION.

SO THE BOUNDARY IS I SHOWED YOU EARLIER IN THE, IN THE GRAPHIC, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 151 ACRES IN SIZE AGAIN.

SO THIS NECESSITATES A MAP IN TEXT CHANGES TO THE APPROVED SPECIFIC PLAN TO MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS FOR THE NEW ANCHORAGE'S AND TO ADJUST THE BOUNDARIES.

AND THEN OF COURSE, TO REMOVE ANY CONDITIONS OR REFERENCES TO THE GOLF COURSE ITSELF, VACATION OF EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT OR PREVIOUSLY ESTABLISHED IN THE PROJECT, A SITE MITIGATION AND IMPACTS MUST ALSO BE ADDRESSED.

UM, IN READING, MOVED FROM THE PLAN, THE DEED RESTRICTIONS OR CONSERVATION AREAS ARE CURRENTLY 11.4, THREE ACRES DISTRIBUTED IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS WITHIN THE GOLF COURSE, AS PART OF THIS PROCESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE GOLF COURSE, THE DEED RESTRICTION WAS RECORDED AS MITIGATION TO IMPACT 4.5 ACRES HAVE MORE FAT SCRUB THAT WAS I'M AFFECTED AS A RESULT OF THE ORIGINAL PROJECT.

THE RE REDEEMED RESTRICTION WAS CREATED TO PROTECT THESE MITIGATION AREAS IN PERPETUITY FOR THIS PROJECT TO PROCEED.

IT WILL BE NECESSARY.

THE APPLICANT TO RECEIVE APPROVAL FROM THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE TO VACATE THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON SITE AND APPROVE A NEW STREAM LINE, ALTERNATE RATION AGREEMENT.

THE APPLICANT FOR THE PROPOSED RANCHO LA HABRA IS REQUESTING THAT THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME VACATE THE DEED RESTRICTIONS IN RETURN FOR ONSITE HABITAT PROTECTION, AS WELL AS THE PURCHASE AND PRESERVATION OF HABITAT AT ONE OR MORE OFFSITE LOCATIONS AS DESCRIBED IN THE EIR.

AND AGAIN, THE VESTING MAP COULD NOT BE APPROVED WITH UNTIL THE STREAMLINE AGREEMENT HAS, HAS BEEN REMOVED.

UM, THAT'S ONE OF THE FINDINGS OF THE MAP.

SO THE ZONE CHANGE FOR THE OVERALL ZONE CHANGE.

AGAIN, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT SPECIFIC PLANS WITH THEM IN LAHABRA ARE CONSIDERED ZONING DESIGNATIONS PURSUANT TO STATE LAW.

THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING DESIGNATION MUST BE CONSISTENT.

THEREFORE, IF THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE GENERAL PLAN, IT MUST BE COUPLED WITH THE ZONE CHANGE.

THE PROPOSAL ZONE CHANGE WOULD AFFECT TO SPECIFIC PLANS, THE LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN, WHICH WOULD BE AMENDED AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED, CARVING OUT THE GOLF COURSE, AND THEN THE CREATION OF A NEW SPECIFIC PLAN WITH WITHIN THAT AREA PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL USE AGAIN, WOULD BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL USES TO THE NORTH.

IT WOULD NOT CREATE INCOMPATIBLE USES THE RANCHO LA HABRA SPECIFIC PLAN, THE GOVERNMENT CODE AUTHORIZES CITY TO PREPARE SPECIFIC PLANS FOR SYSTEMATIC IMPLEMENTATION FOR ALL OUR PART OF THE AREAS COVERED BY A GENERAL PLAN.

SPECIFIC PLANS HAVE ELEMENTS THAT THEY MUST INCLUDE.

THEY MUST SHOW THE DISTRIBUTION LOCATION OF THE LAND USES OPEN SPACES COVERED BY THE PLAN.

THE PROPOSED LOCATION AND DENSITY ARE THE MAJOR COMPONENTS, UM, WATER, SEWAGE DRAINAGE, ALL THE UTILITIES, THE CENTRAL FACILITIES, AND THE LAND USES, UM, AGAIN, STANDARDS AND CRITERIA BY WHICH DEVELOPMENT WILL BE PROCEED.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF WHAT THE

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LOT SIZES ARE, HOW BIG THE HOUSES CAN BE, WHAT THE ARCHITECTURE LOOKS LIKE, UM, WHERE OPEN SPACES LOCATED, UH, WHERE THE TRAILS ARE, UM, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND THEN A PROGRAM OF IMPLEMENTATION TO SHOW HOW ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN.

IF APPROVED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE GENERAL PLAN, UM, THE SPECIFIC PLAN WILL CONFIDE WITH THE CULT CALIFORNIA GOVERNMENT CODE, THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND THOSE, THOSE ITEMS I JUST MENTIONED WITHOUT REPEATING ALL OF THOSE.

UM, SO THE VESTING CANDIDATE MAP, AGAIN, PURSUANT TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE THERE'S FINDINGS FOR THE MAP IN ORDER TO APPROVE IT, ALL THE FINDINGS MUST BE MADE.

UM, THE OVERALL PROJECT MEETS THE FINDINGS FROM THE TECHNICAL STANDPOINT.

UM, THERE ARE MEASURES IN THERE THAT PREVENT CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC, UH, LIMITED ACCESS IN AND OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, THAT IT, BUT IT DOES NOT MEET THE FINDINGS AS NOTED EARLIER WITH RESTRICTIONS ON, ON THE DEED RESTRICTION AREAS, WHICH, WHICH MUST BE REMOVED.

SO NEXT, NEXT STEP, WE WOULD HAVE THE DESIGN REVIEW ITSELF.

UM, SO THIS IS GOING TO LOOK AT CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE PLAN, UM, OR EXCUSE ME, CHAPTER FIVE, WHICH PROVIDES DESIGN GUIDELINES AND SETS THE ARCHITECTURAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS FOR THE, FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, CHAPTER SEVEN IS THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, UH, WHICH WE JUST TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY ABOUT MAKING SURE IT GETS IMPLEMENTED AND CONSTRUCTED.

UM, SO IN THE, IN THE PLAN, IT REFERS BACK TO CHAPTER 1816 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE IN TERMS OF THE PROCESS FOR REVIEWING THESE DESIGN PLANS.

UM, FINDINGS FOR APPROVAL OF THE PROJECTS ARE ESTABLISHED WITHIN THAT SECTION OF THAT CODE.

UM, THE PLAN IS, AND THEY ARE, THE PLAN IS, IS CONSISTENT WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.

THE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS ZONING ORDINANCE.

THE PLAN IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY, HEALTH, AND WELFARE, AND THE NATURE OF THE PROJECT CAN USE AS IS DESIGNED INAPPROPRIATE FOR THE LOCATION AND COMPATIBLE TO THE SOUND SURROUNDING USES.

SO THIS, THIS IS THE CRITERIA THAT THIS COUNCIL AND THE COMMISSION ARE LOOKING AT WHEN THEY'VE REVIEWED THE PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVIDED THAT SHOWS THE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS OF ALL THE BUILDINGS, UM, THEN THE SITE LAYOUT AND THE LANDSCAPING AND ALL THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ACT X OF THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT ITSELF.

AND AGAIN, THE PRO THE LAST ONE IS THAT THE PROJECT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.

UM, THE CITY AS INDICATED, HAS PREPARED AN EIR AND COMPLIANCE WITH ALL THE REQUIRED SEQUEL, UM, REQUIREMENTS.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS THE FINDINGS MUST BE MADE IN ORDER TO PROCEED.

UM, SO JUST TO RECAP, THE HOMES IN THE PLANNING AREAS ARE A MIX OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF ARCHITECTURES.

UM, SO WE HAVE ADOBE RANCH, ANDALUSIAN MONTERREY, UH, SPANISH SANTA BARBARA, AND TUSCAN.

THESE ARE MIXED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT OR TO CREATE VISUAL INTERESTS, UM, AND TO PROVIDE SOME VARIETY SO THAT IT'S NOT COOKIE CUTTER, IT'S THAT EVERYTHING DOESN'T LOOK THE SAME, OUR HOMES, A BUFFER, A VISIBLE FROM MADE ROADS.

UM, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED WITH ENHANCED ELEVATIONS ON THE SIDE FACING THE ROAD.

SO THIS WOULD BE EXTRA WINDOWS AND SHUTTERS AND DESIGN FEATURES, UH, TO PROVIDE AN ATTRACTIVE LOOK TO THE STREETS, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THE OVERALL STYLE AND THE PROJECTS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR THIS LOCATION.

IF THE SITE WAS DESIGNATED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WILL MEET THE FINDINGS.

IF THE EIR IS CERTIFIED IN THE GENERAL PLAN IN ZOMI AMENDMENTS ARE APPROVED, OKAY, THE DEV DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT.

SO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IS A BINDING LEGAL CONTRACT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE DEVELOPER THAT ESTABLISHES A COMMITMENT WHEREBY THE CITY AGREES TO PERMIT THE PROJECT APPLICANT OR SUCCESSORS TO DEVELOP THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC PLAN UNDER AGREED UPON TERMS AND COMMITS THE APPLICANT TO THE PROVISION, A SPECIFIED PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT FACILITIES AND SERVICES.

THE MAIN DEAL POINT OF THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT THAT ARE COVERED OVER A TERM OF 15 YEAR RETAINS DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS IN EXCHANGE FOR PROVIDING THE FOLLOW COMMUNITY BENEFITS SO THAT WE HAVE A LAND DEDICATION OF APPROXIMATELY 29 ACRES OF PARKS TRAILS, AND COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH HAS AN APPROPRIATE VALUE OF $19.5 MILLION, THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW PARKS AND TRAILS RENOVATED WITH THE GOLF CUP HOUSE, INTO A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WOULD BE DATED TO THE CITY ONCE COMPLETED, WHICH HAS AN APPROXIMATE VALUE OF $18 MILLION, A CASH PAYMENT OF $1.5 MILLION

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AS A COMMUNITY BENEFIT CONTRIBUTION TO BE DESIGNATED FOR USE BY THE CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR DISCRETION, A CASH PAYMENT OF A MILLION DOLLARS TO GO TOWARDS THIS FORDABLE HOUSING CONTRIBUTION TO USE BY THE CITY TO FACILITATE A FUTILE 40 HOUSING PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

THE AGREEMENT ALSO INCLUDES REQUESTS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A KAMIL COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT IS THIS IS MORE COMMONLY KNOWN AS, AS A, AS A MELLO ROOS DISTRICT.

AND THEY'RE USED TO FUND THE MAINTENANCE COSTS OF THE NEARLY DEDICATED PARK TRAIL SYSTEM CLUBHOUSE, AND ALL OF THAT, UM, THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

OKAY.

AND, AND THIS JUST, AGAIN, JUST HIGHLIGHTS THOSE ITEMS. I JUST MENTIONED THE ANNUAL AN ANNUAL SPECIAL TAX ESTABLISHED BY THE CFD WOULD BE ASSESSED SOLELY ON THE FUTURE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE RANCH, A LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN.

WHILE THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT THAT NEED TO BE DECIDED THE PRIMARY POLICY QUESTION, THAT MUST BE FIRST CONSIDERED BY THE COMMISSION AS TO WHETHER THE EXISTING PROPERTY SHOULD REMAIN DESIGNATE NEEDED OPEN SPACE, OR SHOULD IT BE REZONED FOR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT? THE ANSWER TO THIS, AS THE FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IN THE COMMISSION, SUBSEQUENT RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL WAS THEN DETERMINED RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THE LAND USE AND ENTITLEMENT REQUESTS.

SO THIS IS JUST KIND OF SHOWS THE DECISION TREE THAT THE COMMISSION IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERING, UM, AFTER THEY'VE LISTENED TO ALL THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND BASED ON ALL THE DOCUMENTATION THAT THEY'VE THEY'VE BEEN PROVIDED.

SO THE GENERAL PLAN, SOME MORE CONSIDERATIONS, THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT THAT HAS BEEN REQUESTED AS A RESULT OF THIS IS A POLICY DECISION THAT REQUIRES LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

LEGISLATIVE ACTS ARE BINDING ONLY WHEN THEY ARE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL IN ITS CAPACITY.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION SERVES AS A RECOMMENDING BODY TO THE COUNCIL WHO IS THE LEGISLATIVE BODY AND FINAL AUTHORITY ON THIS PROJECT, CONSIDERING ITS RECOMMENDATION.

AGAIN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKE IS ALL THE WRITTEN MATERIALS THEY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT AND ATTACHMENTS, PUBLIC TESTIMONY RECEIVED, OR WRITING OR ORALLY DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND THERE ARE, AGAIN, SOME MORE ITEMS THAT CAN CONDITION CAN CONSIDER.

THEY CAN CONSIDER THAT THE VISION FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY FOR OPEN SPACE, WHICH WAS CARRIED OVER FROM THE ORIGINAL, THE PREVIOUS GENERAL PLAN.

ALTHOUGH THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED OPEN SPACE.

IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY BY SUBMITTING A CROSS REQUEST TO THE CITY TO CHANGE THEIR LAND, USE DESIGNATION, TO OPEN SPACE, THEY ARE EXERCISING THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY, PROPERTY RIGHTS TO REQUEST THAT YOU CHANGE SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, UH, COMMUNICATION AND LETTERS FROM THE APPLICANT, HOUSING ADVOCATES AND OTHER WHO HAVE WRITTEN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT HAVE ARGUED THAT THE PROJECT SHOULD BE APPROVED OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT MEMBER OF THE SAFE LAHABRA GROUP AND OTHER IN THE COMMUNITY HAVE EXPRESSED STRONG AND ORGANIZED OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT SINCE THE FIRST SCOPING MEETING SEVERAL YEARS AGO, UM, HOUSING LAW, AFFORDABLE RE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT, UM, ALSO NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THIS IS THE CITY'S OBLIGATION, UM, TO PROVIDE HOUSING IS WITHIN THE REGION.

UM, PUBLIC SERVICES AND FACILITY ANALYSIS ALSO HAS TO BE CONSIDERED.

SO BASED ON ALL OF THAT, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE COMMISSION PROVIDE DIRECTION TO THE STAFF TO BRING BACK RESOLUTIONS ON, ON THESE VARIOUS DIFFERENT ACTIONS.

SO AT THIS TIME, UM, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MIGHT HAVE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. RAMSON GOOD REPORT.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

EXCUSE ME, AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO ROLL CALL THE COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AS STAFF, AND I'M GOING TO BE KICKING THIS OFF.

SO BEAR WITH ME, ROY, IF YOU WOULD, UH, FIRST THING, I'M CONFUSED A BIT ABOUT THE CFD, THE COMMUNITY FINANCIAL DISTRICT.

I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THIS IS NOT A STANDARD TRADITIONAL MELLO ROOS SITUATION WITH A, WITH AN ENCUMBRANCE ON THE DEED OR TITLE, AND THAT IT MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE PERMANENT SHOULD AT SOME POINT, SUBSEQUENTLY THE HOA DECIDE TO DISCONTINUE THEIR PARTICIPATION, BUT MAYBE THAT'S INCORRECT.

COULD YOU SHED SOME LIGHT ON THAT? I CAN GIVE A BRIEF ANSWER AND THEN I WILL DEFER TO THE ATTORNEYS FOR MAYBE A DETAILED ANSWER.

UM, THIS, THIS TYPE OF A DISTRICT WIDE, THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE IT.

IT ACTUALLY HAS TO GO TO VOTE OF ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS LOCATED WITHIN THE DISTRICT.

UH,

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SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, WHEN THE PROPERTY IS PROJECT BEING DEVELOPED, THE SOLE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE DEVELOPER.

SO, YOU KNOW, SO IT ONLY TAKES ONE VOTE TO GET THE DISTRICT PUT IN PLACE.

SO, SO, BUT, BUT THE COUNCIL CAN TAKE ACTION LATER ON IN THE FUTURE AND HAVE ANOTHER VOTE IN, IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO MAKE THE DISTRICT GO AWAY, IF THEY, IF THEY CHOOSE TO DO SO WELL, COULD HOMEOWNERS DO THAT THEMSELVES BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNERS VOTE A MAJORITY VOTE OF THE HOA TO CEASE THE ARRANGEMENT IS THAT A PILOT, I WOULD DEFER TO THE ATTORNEYS FOR THE DETAILS ON THIS.

THIS IS NOT REALLY MY AREA OF EXPERTISE.

THIS IS CHANEL GIOVINCO.

THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE ANY CFG FORMATION AS PART OF A SEPARATE PROCESS.

SO THIS IS NOT ACTUALLY BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT FOR A RECOMMENDATION IN TERMS OF THE CFD.

THE OTHER ACTIONS ARE WITH RESPECT TO THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND ALL OF THE LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS.

BUT THE CFD FORMATION IS A SEPARATE DISCRETIONARY PROCESS.

THAT IS NOT ACTUALLY BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THIS EVENING.

WELL, I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'LL TELL YOU THE REASON WHY I ASK IS BECAUSE IF FOR SOME REASON THE CFD WAS DISSOLVED SUBSEQUENTLY, THAT MEANS THAT THE BURDEN FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THIS COMMON PROPERTY WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD THEN FALL UPON THE TAXPAYERS OF THE HARBOR.

SO THAT'S WHAT I'M A LITTLE BIT CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND I THINK THAT GENERAL CONCERN IS WHEN THE PERP WAS, IS WITHIN THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO AGAIN, THE QUESTION WOULD BE IF THEY CAN, IF THEY CAN BREAK THIS CFD UP THEMSELVES, THE HOA, THEN AGAIN, THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN BEGINS TO TRACKING FROM WHATEVER BENEFIT WE'RE DERIVING FROM THIS PROJECT.

IF CITY OF HARBOR HAS START PAYING TO MAINTAIN THE PARK AND THE WATER FEATURE, ET CETERA, DO YOU SEE MY POINT THERE? YES.

YES.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, UM, AND AGAIN, THE, THE SPECIFICS OF HOW THAT WOULD PLAY OUT WHAT ITEMS WOULD BE BEFORE IT INCLUDED IN THE CFD, HOW, WHAT WOULD BE FORMED AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AFTER IS, IS PART OF A SEPARATE PROCESS.

BUT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.

DEFINITELY.

THAT'S WHY I GET IT, DON'T ANSWER IT AS IT'S KIND OF UP IN THE AIR.

AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

THERE IS NO CERTAINTY AT THIS POINT WITH THAT, AND I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH, ROY.

UH, ARE YOU BACK I'M BACK? SO 402 VERSUS FOUR 48.

NOW, INITIALLY THE EIR STIPULATED THAT THIS WAS A DEVELOPMENT FOR 402 HOMES WITH A POSSIBILITY, A PERMISSIVE SITUATION WHERE IT COULD EITHER BE 20,000 FEET OF COMMERCIAL, POTENTIALLY RETAIL OR AN ADDITIONAL 46 UNITS.

AND THROUGHOUT ALL THE DOCUMENTS THAT I READ, IT WAS ALWAYS A EITHER OR SITUATION, BUT NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE APPLICANT IS MORE OR LESS SETTLED AND THEY'VE DECIDED TO FOREGO THE COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS IN AREA FIVE PLANNING, AREA FIVE, I BELIEVE.

AND INSTEAD THEY'RE SETTLING ON BUILDING THOSE ADDITIONAL HOMES FOR A TOTAL OF 448.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT IS THEIR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE.

UM, AND, AND THE, THEY DID DO AN EXTENSIVE ANALYSIS ON THE VIABILITY OF THE DOING COMMERCIAL ON THAT LOCATION AND MADE THE DETERMINE NATION THAT IT'S NOT VIABLE, BUT AGAIN, THE APPLICANT WILL BE MAKING A PRESENTATION.

SO PERHAPS I WOULD LEAVE THE SPECIFICS, SPECIFICS OF THEIR ANALYSIS THEN STUDY.

THEY DID.

AND MAYBE THEY CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THAN I COULD.

THAT'S FINE.

THANK YOU.

UH, HOW EXACTLY WOULD YOU SAY IS THE PROJECT IN CONFLICT WITH THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS, GOALS AND POLICIES? THERE'S SOME CONFLICT THERE, I BELIEVE, UM, I GUESS, UH, ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE RENA NUMBERS OR NO, IT WAS JUST READING WHEN IT COMES TO, TO SCAG AND THEIR, AND THEIR APPROACH TO WHAT THEY FEEL SHOULD BE A SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THIS PROJECT DOESN'T REALLY FIT IN WITH THEIR STATED GOALS AND POLICIES, UH, AS, AS CURRENTLY PLANNED.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, THE STATED GOALS OF, OF SCAG AS THE REGIONAL PLANNING AREA IS TO MANDATE AND ENFORCE THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

SO IN UNDER THOSE PARTICULAR REQUIREMENTS THAT THE CITY IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING A TOTAL OF, OF HOUSING UNITS FOR, TO OUR, TO OUR AREA.

THAT EXACT NUMBER HAS NOT BEEN VOTED ON AND APPROVED BY SCAG AS OF THIS POINT.

UM, BUT THE TENTATIVE WORKING NUMBER IS 803.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

IS THE PROJECT IN CONFLICT WITH THE AQM THESE THRESHOLDS FOR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS? YES.

AND A FEW, WE HAVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT CONSULTANTS AVAILABLE.

IF YOU WANT HIM TO ELABORATE ON THE GREENHOUSE GASES IN THE AIR QUALITY THAT THAT'S ALL COVERED IN THE STATEMENT OF OVERRIDING CONSIDERATIONS AND IN LLOYD WOOD IS HERE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IF YOU'D LIKE, ALL RIGHT, THAT'S FINE.

THAT'S FINE FOR NOW.

UH, SO THE PROJECT DOES DEPART FROM THE ANTICIPATED PARAMETERS FOR GROWTH

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AS LAID OUT IN OUR NEW GENERAL PLAN.

SO WOULD, IS IT A FAIR STATEMENT TO SAY THAT IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH REGARD TO THE GENERAL PLAN AT THIS POINT? YES, IT IS INCONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN KIND OF, WELL, ALMOST LAST QUESTION, THIS CONCEPT OF A MITIGATION BANK, WHICH SUGGESTED THAT THERE'S A CHALLENGE IN MITIGATING ANY ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT WITHIN THE PROJECT WITH REGARD TO THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE, UH, THE APPLICANT MAY BE ABLE TO OFFSET WHATEVER DEGRADATION MAY TAKE PLACE WITHIN THE PROJECT, BY FOR EXAMPLE, BUYING AN ACRE OF OPEN SPACE AND PLENTY OF HILLS, AND THEN PRESERVING IT AS OPEN SPACE THERE, BUT THERE'S STILL THE IMPACT WITHIN THE PROJECT AND THE CITY OF LAHABRA, UH, REGARDLESS IS THAT, IS THAT FAIR ENOUGH? YES.

I MEAN THE, THE, THE EXISTING ACREAGE IS THAT IT GOES THERE NOW WILL BE REDUCED.

THEY ARE PRO THEY ARE PROPOSING, UM, SOME, SOME SMALL AREA OF CONSERVATION AREA WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA, UH, 9.8 ACRES.

UM, BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE OFF OFFSITE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THEY NEED, THEY NEED TO NEGOTIATE THAT WITH, UM, DEPARTMENT OF CALIFORNIA, UH, FISH AND WILDLIFE, AND THEY NEED TO REACH AN AGREEMENT ON HOW MUCH AND WHERE THAT'S GOING TO BE PROVIDED.

SO THAT'S AN UNSETTLED ARRANGEMENT FOR THE TIME BEING, AND THAT'S AN UNSETTLED ARRANGEMENT.

SO THE ROPE, LIKE THE ACTUAL MAP THAT ESTABLISHES THE LOT AND THE DESIGN OF THE PROJECT CAN NOT BE APPROVED UNTIL THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS ARE REMOVED.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR THAT FINAL QUESTION.

NOW, I DON'T WANNA TAKE TOO MUCH TIME.

UH, IT APPEARS TO ME, UH, THIS IS WITH REGARD TO TRAFFIC, BY THE WAY, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT OUT OF THE, ROUGHLY 31 TO 32 INTERSECTIONS AND ROAD SEGMENTS ASSESSED 13 OF THESE LED SUFFER, WHAT THEY CALL SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE IMPACTS.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YES.

AND SOME OF THESE OTHER IMPACTS ASIDE FROM THE SU IMPACTS, UH, THERE'S STILL BE A LOWERING OF THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE, BUT A LOT OF THE IMPACTS CAN BE MITIGATED TO A REASONABLE THRESHOLD.

TRUE ENOUGH.

YES.

ALRIGHT.

AND ON THESE MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, THAT WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED.

UH, YOU KNOW, I'M TALKING ABOUT CAL TRANS INTERSECTIONS.

UH, THE CITY CAN'T AFFECT DIRECTLY ANY MITIGATION MEASURES THAT THESE INTERSECTIONS, THE APPLICANT WILL BE MAKING FAIR SHARE PAYMENTS TO CALTRANS CITY, FLORIDA, AND WINTER PARK, ET CETERA.

AND THEY'VE AGREED TO IMPLEMENT THESE MITIGATION MEASURES THEMSELVES ESSENTIALLY.

IS THAT CORRECT? HI, AGAIN, I THINK AT THIS POINT I WOULD DEFER TO MR. PLOTNICK THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER.

WHO'S A, CAN GIVE YOU A MUCH BETTER ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION THAN I COULD.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THE NUTSHELL THERE THOUGH, IS THAT THESE INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, UH, WOULD NOT HAVE LOCAL CONTROL EXERCISED BY THE CITY OF HARBOR.

TRUE ENOUGH.

NO, NO.

IT'S UP TO THOSE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANTS AND COME TO THE AGREEMENTS AND TO DO THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THOSE INTERSECTIONS.

RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

ROY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I DIDN'T MEAN TO THROW YOU SO MUCH THERE.

I APPRECIATE IT.

MR. BERNAY QUESTIONS OF MR. ANGELES.

LET ME SHOW YOU THERE.

THERE WE GO.

NO, CAN I SHARE, BERNAY TALK MORE ABOUT THE CFD FOR US PLEASE.

COMMISSIONER BERNIE, ARE YOU THERE? I WAS LIKE, SHE'S SPEAKING, DARREN, BUT IT'S JUST REALLY HARD TO HEAR HER.

OH, OKAY.

WELL LET'S JUST HELP BREAK IN HERE.

THAT'S ALL IT MATTERS.

JUST BARELY GO AHEAD.

TALK MORE ABOUT THE CFD FOR US.

SO DARREN WAS TALKING ABOUT THESE, THE CFG AND WHAT SPECIFIC QUESTION DO YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW? I WANT TO KNOW.

WAS IT, CAN YOU EXPLAIN IT TO US A LITTLE BIT CLEARER, PLEASE EXPLAIN IT TO US.

OKAY.

I WOULD DEFER THAT BACK TO JANETTA.

YEAH.

OKAY.

I'M SORRY.

I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HEAR THE QUESTION HE'S ASKING ABOUT THE CFD AND THAT'S NOT.

THAT IS, THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF A SEPARATE ACTION THAT THE COUNCIL TO DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER AT A LATER TIME TO CONSIDER THE FORMATION OF A COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT.

SO THAT IS NOT BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.

THAT THAT IS AN ACTION THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, IF THE OTHER APPROVALS GO THROUGH.

YEAH.

BUT THE CMV IS GOING TO BE PROBABLY IMPROVEMENTS OF THE PROPERTY.

RIGHT.

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IF IT GOES THROUGH THE PURPOSE OF THE CFD PAY FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS AND MAINTENANCE OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE SIDE, NO, IT'S NOT PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPERS.

IT'LL BE PAID BY THE RESIDENTS.

RIGHT.

THE DEVELOPER ARE PASSING THE COSTS ON TO THE RESIDENTS.

YES.

OKAY.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE.

I'M OKAY.

FOR RIGHT NOW, THEN.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PAUL QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, JERRY COMMISSIONER MUNOZ, ANY QUESTIONS OF ROY REGARDING THE CONSERVATION AREA? THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF THE PROJECT WHO WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ACTUALLY ADMINISTERING THAT PROGRAM.

WOULD IT BE THE CITY OR WOULD IT BE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT OR HOW WOULD THAT GO ABOUT GETTING THE AGREEMENT WOULD BE PART OF THE AGREEMENT WITH, WITH FISH AND WILDLIFE AND THEY'LL SET OUT THE TERMS OF THE MAINTENANCE IN THAT AGREEMENT.

WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE? IT WON'T BE THE CITY MAIN GAINING.

IT IT'D BE, THE HOA WILL BE MAINTAINING IT, BUT THEN THEY WOULD CONTRACT WITH SOMEONE.

CAUSE I'M ASSUMING IT'D BE LIKE A NONPROFIT OR SOME OTHER TYPE OF, YEAH.

I MEAN, IF CORRECT ME IF I'M MISSPEAKING, BUT IT WOULD BE THE HOA THAT'S ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING IT.

SO IT WOULD BE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY DO THAT.

ROY, AT THIS TIME, UH, LET'S SEND TRANIES LLOYD ZOLA TO THE MEETING AND LLOYD, IF YOU CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE CONSERVATION AREA FOR COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

SURE.

UM, AUNT.

YES.

UH, THE CONSERVATION AREA THAT IS ONSITE WOULD BE MAINTAINED BY A NONPROFIT.

THE NONPROFIT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO A, AN AGREEMENT WITH CAL FISH AND WILDLIFE FOR THE PERMANENT MAINTENANCE OF THAT AREA, BECAUSE THAT IS PARTLY IN A MITIGATION FOR IMPACTS TO THE EXISTING, UM, DEED RESTRICTED AREAS.

SO THERE WILL BE MITIGATION BOTH ONSITE AND OFFSITE.

UH, THE CITY WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ONSITE MITIGATION IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, UM, BECAUSE THERE WILL BE REQUIREMENTS TO MAINTAIN THAT AT A CERTAIN, UM, QUALITY OF HABITAT IN PERPETUITY.

THE, UM, OTHER REQUIREMENT WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD NOT BE THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT WOULD BE, UM, DOING THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT EXPERTS AT MAINTAINING HABITAT.

SO IT WOULD NEED TO BE A NONPROFIT THAT WOULD HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF MAINTAINING THAT HABITAT.

AND HOW WOULD THAT BE PAID AS FAR AS I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME TYPE OF ASSOCIATED COSTS WITH THAT? WOULD THAT BE PART OF THE CFP? NO, IT MAY BE PART OF THE CFD, BUT THE BASIC REQUIREMENT WOULD BE IN THE WAY THAT IT TYPICALLY WORKS IS THE DEVELOPER WOULD GET AN ENDOWMENT THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THE LONGTERM MAINTENANCE OF THAT PROPERTY.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SECOND QUESTION REGARDING, UM, THE HOA, IS IT GOING TO BE ONE BIG GATEWAY FOR ALL THE COMMUNITIES? ARE THEY GOING TO BE SEPARATE BASED OFF OF THE PLANNING AREA? THAT IS A ROY QUESTION OR, OR JEANETTE, BUT IT'S NOT MINE.

MY UNDERSTANDING AND I WOULD DEFER TO THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION ON THIS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED AS A SINGLE HOA FOR THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AREA.

THAT'S IT FOR QUESTIONS FOR NOW.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER MUNOZ, VICE CHAIRMAN LEE.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

ZARIAN UM, HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS, ROY, COULD YOU, UM, JUST EXPLAIN TO US, UM, FOR THE RECORD, JUST WHAT THE RENA NUMBER ACTUALLY MEANS FOR JUST CLARIFICATION? OKAY.

SURE.

THE REYNA STANDS FOR REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT.

UM, AND THIS STARTS AT THE STATE AND WORKS ITS WAY DOWN THROUGH THE SYSTEM.

THIS GOES BACK TO THE THINGS YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE GOVERNOR OVER THE LAST YEAR, MANDATING THAT THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS GOING TO BE THREE, BUILD 3 MILLION NEW HOUSES.

UM, THESE ARE BROKEN UP INTO GROUPS AND CERTAIN AMOUNTS ALLOCATED TO EACH

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INDIVIDUAL COUNTY IN THE STATE OF THEIR FAIR SHARE OF PROVIDING THAT NUMBER.

SO FOR OUR, OUR FAIR SHARE, UM, FOR, OR FOR THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS OR SCAG, WHICH INCLUDES THE FIVE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA COUNTIES IS ABOUT 1.5 MILLION.

I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER IN FRONT OF ME.

AND AS THEY BROKE, BROKEN THAT DOWN BETWEEN THE CITIES WITHIN THAT REGION, LAHABRA HIS NUMBER IS 803.

SO OF THAT 803, THAT NUMBER IS FURTHER BROKEN DOWN INTO CATEGORIES OF AFFORDABILITY THERE.

SO YOU HAVE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, YOU HAVE VERY LOW, LOW, MODERATE AND ABOVE MODERATE.

SO, UH, THE VERY LOW FOR LAHABRA WOULD BE 191 BELOW IS 116.

THE MODERATE IS 130 AND ABOVE MODERATE IS 367.

UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BROAD PICTURE OF, OF, OF HOW RENO WORKS.

SO THE CITY IS RIGHT NOW UNDERGOING THE PROCESS OF PREPARING OUR HOUSING ELEMENT FOR THE NEXT CYCLE OF HOUSING ELEMENTS, WHICH HAS TO BE APPROVED BY AROUND THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.

UM, SO WE'RE COLLECTING DATA AND LOOKING AT WAYS OF HOW WE WOULD GET TO THIS NUMBER.

UM, AND AGAIN, THE THING WITH RENA NUMBERS IS IT'S A PLANNING NUMBER AND YOU SAID HE'S OBLIGATED TO PLAN FOR THAT NUMBER OF UNITS.

IT DOES NOT ACTUALLY MEAN THAT THEY ACTUALLY GET BUILT.

THAT'S STILL UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL DIFFERENT PROPERTY OWNERS THAT OWN THOSE PROPERTIES, UH, TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY ACTUALLY BUILT THEM OR NOT.

UM, SO THAT'S KINDA IT IN A NUTSHELL.

ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ADD? I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, JUST TO BE CLEAR IN THE LAST PLANNING CYCLE, WHICH WAS 2014 TO 2021, I BELIEVE THE RENA NUMBER THAT LAHABRA HAD WAS 80 UNITS.

IS THAT CORRECT? THE ACTUAL NUMBER WE FOR THE LAST HOUSING CYCLE WAS FOUR.

WE HAD, WE HAD 70 UNITS THAT WERE CARRIED OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS CYCLE.

SO IT ENDED UP BEING LIKE THE 79 ALTOGETHER, BUT THEY ACTUAL FOR THAT CYCLE.

WE ONLY, WE ONLY GOT A NUMBER OF FOUR.

SO, SO WE INCREASED FOR THIS NEXT CYCLE, UM, WAS FROM 80 TO 803 UNITS, UM, ROUGHLY LIKE A 900% INCREASE.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT THAT'S CORRECT.

AND AGAIN, AND AGAIN, THIS NUMBER COULD CHANGE THIS, THIS NUMBER HAS NOT BEEN ADOPTED YET.

THIS IS JUST THE, THE PROPOSED NUMBERS.

UM, I THINK WE'RE EXPECTING, UM, LATER INTO THE FALL FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY ADOPT THE NUMBER.

SO THIS COULD GO UP OR DOWN SLIGHTLY.

OKAY.

AND BASED ON THE PRICE, THE PRICING INDICATED BY THE APPLICANT FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS BEING PROPOSED IN THIS PROJECT, UM, IF APPROVED THE UNITS THAT ARE BUILT WOULD SATISFY, UM, ALL OF THE ABOVE MODERATE INCOME UNITS FOR THE NEXT RENA CYCLE.

AGAIN, THAT NUMBER IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE.

BUT IF THAT NUMBER IS, UM, STAYS THE SAME, THAT IT IS NOW WOULD ALL OF THE UNITS, UM, OR WOULD SOME OF THE UNITS THAT ARE BUILT SATISFY THOSE ABOVE MODERATE INCOME NUMBERS FOR THE RAIN CYCLE? YES, YES.

AT THE PRICE RANGE THAT THEY ARE, THAT'S THE ONLY CATEGORY THEY WOULD FALL INTO NOW, BASED ON THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, COULD THE APPLICANT ADJUST THE SALES PRICE OF THESE UNITS AT ANY TIME AND IF THE APPLICANT WERE TO DO SO, COULD THOSE UNITS THEN EXCEED THE THRESHOLD FOR ABOVE MODERATE INCOME UNITS AND THEN NO LONGER BE SUFFICIENT AND FULFILLING THAT REQUIREMENT? IS THAT POSSIBLE? WELL, ONCE YOU GET ABOVE MODERATE, IT'S THE, SKY'S THE LIMIT.

IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW MUCH THEY ARE.

THEY'RE JUST ABOVE MODERATE.

SO THE ONLY NUMBERS THAT ARE, THEY REALLY IT'S THE BELOW MODERATE OR LOW NUMBERS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT ARE FIXED, THAT YOU CAN'T CHANGE.

SO JUST NORA, OVER THE COURSE OF TIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LITTLE INFILL PROJECTS WITH 20 UNITS HERE AND 30 UNITS THERE AND OVER THE LAST YEAR OR SO, WE'VE HAD, UM, THREE OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT EACH PROVIDED SOME VERY LOW OR LOW INCOME UNITS AS PART OF THE OVERALL PROJECT.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, UM, THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT WAS APPROVED ON MONTEVISTA RECENTLY, THAT WAS 30 UNITS.

UM, FIVE OF THOSE UNITS WERE SETTLED SIDE FOR, FOR LOW INCOME.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE WAY IT WORKS.

WHEN YOU DO A DEVELOPMENT, THE DEVELOPER

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SETS ASIDE A CERTAIN NUMBER.

SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE DEVELOPER IS OFFERING TO MEET THEIR FAIR SHARE OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING BY A MONETARY CONTRIBUTION OF A MILLION DOLLARS IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

OKAY.

AND YOU KIND OF OUTLINED IN THE ARENA AND NUMBER, IT CONSISTS OF FOUR DIFFERENT INCOME TIERS ABOVE MODERATE, MODERATE, LOW INCOME, AND VERY LOW INCOME.

DOES THIS PROJECT SATISFY ANY OF THE OTHER TIERS ASIDE FROM THE ABOVE MODERATE OR IS THAT THE ONLY TIER THAT'S SATISFIED THAT THAT'S THE ONLY TIER THAT'S SATISFIED FOR THIS PROJECT.

OKAY.

AND THE LAST THING FOR YOU, ROY, THE GENERAL PLAN OUTLINES THE GOAL OF PROVIDING A, I BELIEVE 2.5 ACRES OF PUBLIC PARK FOR 1000 RESIDENTS AND CURRENTLY THE CITY DOES NOT FULFILL THAT GOAL.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

ARE THERE ANY FUTURE PARK PROJECTS ON FILE THAT THE CITY IS AWARE OF? NO.

AND IF THE PROJECT WERE TO BE APPROVED, THIS WOULD RESULT IN, I BELIEVE 2.71 ACRES OF PARK PER A THOUSAND RESIDENTS, AND THAT WOULD FULFILL AND EXCEED THE GOAL OF THE GENERAL PLAN, CORRECT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, RAY.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIR, MANLY.

ALRIGHT.

IT LOOKS LIKE NOW WE HAVE A PRESENTATION BY THE APPLICANT.

SO ANDREW, TAKE IT AWAY.

MR. CHAIRMAN, UM, ANDREW HAN ON BEHALF OF LAMAR HOMES WILL BE MAKING THE POWERPOINT PRESENTATION FOR THE APPLICANT.

PLEASE ALLOW FOR US TO TRANSITION THE SCREEN TO MR. HAHN, TO MAKE LAMARR'S PRESENTATION.

UH, TELL ME IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, PEOPLE JUST CONFIRM THAT WE CAN, WE CAN HEAR YOU PERFECT.

FROM THE BEGINNING BEFORE I START CHAIRMAN DICK SARIAN, THERE WERE SEVERAL QUESTIONS THAT WERE, UM, THAT I'D LIKE TO ADD CLARIFICATION'S THAT WERE DIRECTED TO STAFF.

SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS INVOLVING THE FUNCTIONS OF THE CFP, UH, THE ROLE OF THE CITY OF W CONSERVATION MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY AND NUMBER OF ATRIAL WAYS.

I BELIEVE I CAN ADD INFORMATION THAT WILL ASSIST THE, UH, UH, IN THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS.

IF YOU COULD AFFORD ME THAT OPPORTUNITY.

YES, PLEASE GO RIGHT AHEAD.

MR. HAHN.

ALRIGHT, SO LET ME START WITH YOUR PRESENTATION.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS ANDREW HAHN AND I'M DIRECTOR OF FOR PLANNING A, OUR HOMES ON BEHALF OF ALL LUNARO ASSOCIATES, OUR DEVELOPMENT PARTNER AND CONSULTANTS.

I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TONIGHT.

I'D LIKE TO START BY THANKING THE CITY STAFF FOR THEIR HARD WORK IN NOVEMBER.

YOU'LL BE FIVE YEARS SINCE THIS APPLICATION WAS FILED.

WE ARE MOST EXCITED TO FINALLY REACH THIS POINT.

ALTHOUGH I WOULD ADD IT, WE WANTED TO BE HERE EARLIER SO THAT WE COULD AVOID THIS ELECTION CYCLE.

THAT'S COMING UP BEFORE I BEGIN MY PRESENTATION, THOUGH, I LIKE TO EXPRESS ONE REGRET PRIDES ITSELF AS A CARING COMMUNITY.

AND I REALIZE OUR DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF CONTROVERSY.

WE CERTAINLY HAVE HEARD FROM THOSE RESIDENTS WHO FEEL PASSIONATE AND VOCAL IN OPPOSING OUR DEVELOPMENT.

WE NORMALLY ARE ABLE TO WORK THROUGH CONCERNS LIKE THESE ARE NEW COMMUNITIES ARE CHANNELING EMBRACED.

THERE'S SOME FORTUNATELY HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE OR RANCHO LAHABRA.

WELL, I WILL DEMONSTRATE TO YOU THAT THERE IS SIGNIFICANT CITYWIDE SUPPORT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, AND THERE ARE EXCEPTIONAL MARRIAGE TO THIS PROJECT.

I NONETHELESS REGRET THE RANCHO LAHABRA HAS BEEN PERCEIVED AS A SOURCE OF COMMUNITY DIVISION.

SINCE WE ARE A HURDLE ABOUT VOCAL OPPOSITION FROM A PARTICULAR SEGMENT, PLEASE ALLOW ME TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY SUPPORT UPFRONT.

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YOU HAVE BEEN PROVIDED WITH SUPPORT LETTERS SIGNED BY OVER 7,800 RESIDENTS ALL THROUGHOUT THE HOMBRE.

THIS IS TWICE AS LARGE AS THE NUMBER OF SIGNATURES COLLECTED FOR THE OPEN SPACE INITIATIVE.

A BALLOT MEASURE WHOSE SOLE PURPOSE IS TO DENY THIS DEVELOPMENT.

DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU'LL HEAR PASSION AND CONVICTION FROM THOSE WHO POST THIS DEVELOPMENT.

HE CHECKED FUNCTION OF THE ASSUME IS CERTAINLY WORKING IN OVERDRIVE, AS YOU CAN TELL.

SO YOU USED TO BE MINDFUL, HOWEVER, THAT THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS OUT THERE WHO THINKS THIS IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF COMMUNITY WE NEED RIGHT NOW.

BE THE VOICE OF REASON FOR EVERYONE IN LAHABRA REGARDING MY PRESENTATION.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE, IN OUR HOMES.

AND I WOULD TALK ABOUT THE RENTAL, THE HOMBRE PLAN AND HOW IT CAME ABOUT, THEN COVERED THE MANY SIGNIFICANT BENEFITS RANCHO LAHABRA WILL BRING TO THE CITY OF RESIDENCE.

OUR ENTIRE TEAM IS HERE WITH ME TONIGHT, AND WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IN OUR HOMES, IN OUR HYGIENE BUILDING COMMUNITY, THE HOME WITHIN A HOME, THIS FEATURE HAS BEEN ESPECIALLY VALUABLE DURING THEIR SUIT SHORT, CANARY TIME WHERE THE HOME ALSO SERVE AS HAS OUR OFFICE, OUR GYM, OUR SCHOOL IS TWICE AS WELL AS A PLACE WHERE OUR PARENTS AND GRANDCHILDREN CAN LIVE INDEPENDENTLY.

NEXT GEN IS A HOME WITH ITS OWN SEPARATE ENTRANCE, LIVING SPACE AND KITCHEN.

AN INTERNAL CONNECTING DOOR TO THE MAIN HOUSE ALLOWS FAMILIES, BOTH A SEAMLESS INTEGRATION OR SEPARATION.

IF DESIRE, OUR PLAN IS BASED ON CERTAIN PRINCIPLES THAT ENSURE THAT IT WILL HELP MAKE LAHABRA A BETTER PLACE.

LET US LOOK AT THOSE PRINCIPLES.

OUR AMBITION IS ONE OF PUBLIC OPEN SPACE FOR ALL, NOT THE CURRENT PRIVATE OPEN SPACE OF A GOLF COURSE THAT IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO A FEW ABOUT HALF OF RANCHO LAHABRA IS OPEN SPACE.

APPROXIMATELY 40 ACRES IS PROPOSED TO BE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE ON THIS LAND.

WE WILL BUILD A NEW CITY PARK, A NEW CITY COMMUNITY CENTER MILE, SOME NEW PUBLIC TRAILS FOR ALL LAHABRA AND 10 ACRES OF HABITAT CONSERVATION FOR CALIFORNIA NATIVE SPECIES.

AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE RANCHO LAHABRA PLAN WILL ENABLE THE CITY TO ACHIEVE AN IMPORTANT GENERAL PLAN GOAL THAT IS MEETING THE STANDARD OF 20 HALF ACRES OF PARK SPACE PER THOUSAND RESIDENTS.

THE CITY DOES NOT MEET THAT STANDARD TODAY.

IN CONTRAST, THE CURRENT USE HAS NO PUBLIC OPEN SPACE.

AND INSTEAD OF BEING USED BY ALL THE HOMBRE, ONLY ABOUT 5% OF THE GOLFERS PLAY THERE LIVE IN THE HARBOR.

THE GOLF COURSE ALSO CONSUMES A LARGE AMOUNT OF PORTABLE WATER.

THEY CAN BE OTHERWISE MADE AVAILABLE ANY IMPROVE WATER, SUPPLY RELIABILITY, IRRATIONAL ABRA VISION IS ALSO ONE OF MY HEALTHY LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY.

OUR PROPOSED HOMES WILL BRING ABOUT 1600 NEW CUSTOMERS TO TOWN IN THEIR FIRST YEAR OF HOME OWNERSHIP ALONE.

EACH OF THESE HOUSEHOLDS CAN BE EXPECTED, SPEND MORE THAN $12,000 WITH $5.3 MILLION TOTAL ON THINGS LIKE FURNITURE, INSURANCE, PAINT, LANDSCAPING, TELEVISION SEND THE LIGHT AND THEREAFTER THEY'LL WON'T BECOME REGULAR CUSTOMERS OF LA HARBOR AS BUSINESSES.

WE ALSO EXPECT TO GENERATE

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NEARLY 1400 JOBS DURING CONSTRUCTION.

MANY WILL BE FILLED BY LOCAL TRADES PERSON.

IN CONTRAST, THE GOLF COURSE OFFERS LITTLE TO LAHABRA BUSINESS OWNERS NOW, AND IN WHEN IT CLOSES, YOU WILL CONTRIBUTE NOTHING AT ALL.

IN THIS EXTRAORDINARY TIME OF THAT LOCAL BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN STRUGGLING.

RANCHO LAHABRA WOULD BE ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS.

ONE CAN IMAGINE FOR LAHABRA.

WE ALSO ARE COMMITTED TO FOLLOWING THE RULES AND DOING ALL WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO UNDER THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, WHICH IS GENERALLY CONSIDERED THE STRICTEST MOST TRANSPARENT ENVIRONMENTAL LAW IN THE NATION WITH THE CITY OF PROCESSING, THE EIR, YOU CAN BE A SHORT, EVERY BOX HAS BEEN CHECKED AND DOUBLE CHECK THROUGH THAT PROCESS.

WE WANT TO EARN THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP RENTAL LAHABRA IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER.

THOSE WHO ARE DEPRIVED THE POT PROPERTY OWNER OF THEIR RIGHTS AND NOT THINKING ABOUT CALIFORNIA'S CRITICAL HOUSING SHORTAGE AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO NEED HOMES.

THE STATE IS NOW 2 MILLION HOMES, SHORT OF MEETING CURRENT DEMAND, AND 1.3 MILLION HOMES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

SO THESE 443 HOMES ARE NEEDED TO HELP AVOID THE HARSH ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES.

THE HOUSING CRISIS IS CAUSING OUR OPPONENTS SAY THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE HERE ALREADY WHAT THEY DON'T SAY.

IT'S A SAD FACT THAT ORANGE COUNTY KEEPS LOSING MORE MILLENNIALS WOULD EVENTUALLY COME.

AND WHAT IT DOES INSTEAD OF BEING A LOW DENSITY, SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT, LIKE RANCHO LA HOMBRE, YOU WILL BE URBAN HIGH DENSITY WITH PROBABLY OVER A THOUSAND UNITS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT SACRAMENTO IS DEMANDING OVER THE OBJECTION OF THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.

JUST TODAY, THERE WAS A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE ON USING A GOLF COACH GOLF COURSE IN LOS ANGELES, OR TO BUILD OVER 15,000 HOMES ON A GOLF COURSE THAT IS COMPARABLE IN SIZE TO THIS ONE.

LOOK AT THE CURRENT ROUND OF ARENA OBLIGATIONS AT THE 800 PLUS HOMES LAHABRA IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE CAPACITY FOR AS THE STAFF REPORT POINTS OUT, RANCHO LAHABRA IS THE ONLY REALISTIC OPTION TO MEET THE SEAS.

WE KNOW OBLIGATION AS POINTED OUT IN ONE OF THE COMMON LETTERS I DID CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY LAW PROFESSOR.

THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL CONSEQUENCES FOR FAILURE TO MEET THE RINA OBLIGATION.

OUR VISION IS ALSO ONE OF BEING A GOOD PARTNER TO THE CITY AND LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS.

WE WILL LEAVE LAHABRA AND THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS FINANCIALLY STRONGER, WHICH I WILL DISCUSS IN MORE DETAIL A LITTLE LATER.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT CONTRACTING WITH THE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, THIS COMMUNITY WILL GENERATE A PUBLIC USE.

IT GOLF COURSE DOES NOT GENERATE ENOUGH TAX REVENUE TO COVER EXPENSES TODAY.

NOW LET'S TAKE A STEP BACK AND LOOK AT THE STORY OF HOW WE GOT HERE.

THE CURRENT OWNERS OF THE GOLF COURSE MOVED TO LA HABRA BECAUSE OF FAMILY PATRIARCH, WANTING TO CREATE A MULTIGENERATIONAL LEGACY THROUGH THE PURCHASE AND MANAGEMENT OF WESTBRIDGE GOLF CLUB.

THIS FAMILY IS LIKE SO MANY LAHABRA FAMILIES.

THEY GIVE BACK TO THEIR COMMUNITY.

SO THEY MADE SURE THEIR CLUBHOUSE WILL BE A GOOD HOST OR ANY NUMBER OF CITY AND CIVIC GROUP EVENTS.

THEY'VE BEEN ACTIVE IN THE LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND HAVING A FRIEND, HE, THE GOLF PROGRAM AT LOCAL SCHOOLS, BUT SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT FORCED THEM TO RETHINK WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS A SOUND BUSINESS PLAN.

GOLF'S POPULARITY COLLAPSED ACROSS THE NATION.

MILLIONS OF GOLFERS HAVE LEFT THE GAME BECAUSE IT IS TOO EXPENSIVE.

IT TAKES TOO MUCH TIME AWAY FROM FAMILY, OR MAYBE

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THEY'LL RATHER BE ON FACEBOOK OR PLAYING A VIDEO GAME.

THAT PHENOMENON HAS DEVASTATED GOLF COURSES, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, WHERE FRANKLY FAR TOO MANY GOLF COURSES WERE BUILT IN THE EIGHTIES AND NINETIES HERE, YOU SEE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA GOLF COURSES, OPENINGS IN GREEN VERSUS CLOSINGS IN 10.

THE LAST NEW COURSES OPENED IN 2008.

YOU GET 20 HALF GOLF COURSES, EVEN THEN MORE THAN TWICE AS MANY GOLF COURSES CLOSED.

AND BETWEEN THEM IN 2017, WE'VE SEEN ABOUT 75 CORE COURSES CLOSED AND NOT A SINGLE NEW COURSE.

WEST RIDGE WILL BE ONE OF THE NEXT TWO CLOSE.

THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

THE OWNERS HAVE SEEN THE COST OF WATER, 90 MILLION GALLONS PER YEAR GO UP.

I JUST HAVE LABOR CHEMICALS, INSURANCE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

WHILE REVENUES KEEP DROPPING TO PROTECT THEIR FAMILY, THEY MUST SELL.

AND IF THAT HAPPENS WITHOUT A PLAN, YOU GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SAY ONCE HAD GOLF COURSE VIEWS BEING DEVALUED.

AS THEY COME TO OVERLOOK AN UGLY WASTELAND AND A HAVEN FOR NUISANCE, PERHAPS EVEN LIKE THE HOMELESS TO AVOID THIS DREADFUL SCENARIO, WE HAVE TO ASK WHAT WILL FOLLOW AND HOW CAN WE TURN THIS CHANGE OF FORTUNE INTO SOMETHING THAT WILL BENEFIT ALL RANCHO LA HABRA WORLD WITH PLACE WON'T BECOME A LIABILITY WITH SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS THE PEOPLE IN THE CITY FIRST BENEFIT COMES FROM THE CONVERSION ABOUT PRIVATELY OWNED GOLF COURSE INTO SOMETHING MORE USEFUL, A NEW RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THEY'LL RETAIN MORE THAN HALF OF THE SITE AS OPEN SPACE.

THAT'S MORE THAN 80 ACRES.

YOU'VE GOT 61 AND A HALF ACRES, WHICH SHOW UP IN GREEN HERE, PLUS THE OPEN SPACE WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT PARCELS THEMSELVES AND SLOPES AND THE LANDSCAPE DETENTION BASINS.

HALF OF THIS 40 ACRES WILL BE NEW PUBLIC OPEN SPACE, WHICH UNLIKE THE GOLF COURSE WILL BE OPEN TO ALL THE HARUNS.

AND NO, THE BOOK IS PUBLIC.

OPEN SPACE IS A NEW CITY PARK AND COMMUNITY CENTER.

WE WILL BUILD THESE AND DEDICATE TO THE CITY.

THE PARK IS 16 ACRES, ABOUT ONE AND A HALF TIMES THE SIZE OF PORTOLA PARK ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS PLAN, YOU CAN SEE THE LARGE EVENT LINES.

AS YOU MOVE ALONG TO GRAND PROMINENT RUNNING THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF THE PLAN.

YOU COME TO THE BLUE SPLASH PAD AND THE LARGE CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA AND NEARBY PICNIC SPOT WITH A NATURAL REPAIRING AREA NEXT TO IT.

MOVING FURTHER EAST THE LAND SLOPES UP MAKING FOR GREAT WALKING TRAIL OPPORTUNITIES AND LARGEST SMALLER PASSIVE RECREATION AND FITNESS HAS WITH FUN SLOPES IN BETWEEN.

THERE'LL BE PERFECT FOR GAMES OF KING OR QUEEN OF THE MOUNTAIN.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THE PARKING LOT HAS BEEN RECONFIGURED FOR SAFETY.

RIGHT NOW, PEOPLE HAVE TO CROSS LAHABRA HILLS, TRY TO GET FROM THE PARKING LOT TO THE CLUBHOUSE, BUT WITH THIS CHANGE THAT CAN ACCESS THE PARK AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER DIRECTLY FROM THE PARKING LOT HERE, YOU SEE THE COMMUNITY CENTER AND THE ADJACENT OUTDOOR EVENT GROUNDS COMMUNITY CENTER WILL BE ABOUT ONE THIRD LARGER THAN THE CURRENT GOLF CLUBHOUSE AND IS ORIENTED TOWARD THE EVENT.

LAWNS THAT ARE PERFECT FOR WEDDINGS.

CAR SHOWS WILL BE NICE AND DELIGHT.

THERE'S ALSO A SMALL BAND STAND AND ALONG THE LEFT EDGE, SOME QUIET AND RESTING.

THE PARK WILL BE, WILL INCLUDE FEATURES LIKE PDS, PROVIDING MANY WAYS TO EXERCISE OR RELAX TO HAVE A FAMILY PICNIC.

WE'RE HANGING UP A FAMILY DOG.

THE CURRENT GOLF COP DID CURRENTLY GOLF CLUBHOUSE.

IT'S DESIGNED TO HAVE THE FEEL OF A PRIVATE CLUB.

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WE WILL CHANGE THAT THROUGH A WHOLESALE REIMAGINING AND REDESIGN TO CREATE A BUILDING THAT WILL FUNCTION LIKE A PUBLIC BUILDING WITH OPENNESS PLACES TO MINGO AND VARIOUS SIZE MEETINGS AND BANQUETS.

BUT WE WILL KEEP AN IMPROVE THE KITCHEN SO THAT THE CITY CAN GAIN ADDITIONAL REVENUE FROM WEDDINGS EVENTS AND DINNER MEETINGS.

THE LARGE BLUE SQUARE IS THE MAIN BALLROOM OR MEETING ROOM DECIDED OUR GLASS SLIDING DOORS.

SO THE ROOM CAN BE OPEN TO THE ADJOINING ADJOINING PATIO TO EXPAND.

YEAH.

TODAY TRAILS ARE ONE OF THE MOST SOUGHT AFTER AMENITIES.

SO WE HAVE CREATED A 4.2 MILE PUBLIC TRAIL SYSTEM.

THEY CAN BE A PART OF A HEALTHIER LAHABRA FOR YEARS TO COME.

THERE ARE TWO ELEMENTS TO THE TRAILS.

FIRST, THE MULTIUSE TRAILS WE ARE SEEING HERE.

THESE WILL RUN WITH DRAMATIC CONTOURS FROM MITO STREET.

WE'RE ON THE EDGE OF THE NEW CITY PARK AND THE HABITAT CONSERVATION AREA, TWO BEACH BOULEVARD.

THERE WILL ALSO BE DG TRAILS WITHIN THE PARK.

THEY'LL OPERATE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE TO WALKERS AND RUNNERS.

THE OTHER MAJOR COMPONENT OF THE PUBLIC OPEN SPACE IS IT 10 ACRES OF HABITAT CONSERVATION AREA SHOWN BY THE CROSSHATCHING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THIS MAP, WHY THIS LAND IS STRICTLY FOR THE BIRDS, BUNNIES AND BUSHES, THE TRAIL SYSTEM WILL WRAP AROUND IT WITH VISTA POINTS, WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE.

WE WILL PRESERVE ANY ENHANCED THIS HABITAT SO THAT IT BECOMES MORE ROBUST AND MORE CAPABLE OF SUPPORTING NATIVE SPECIES.

WE ALL FUND OFFSITE HABITAT RESTORATION AS WELL.

THIS IS A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE BECAUSE NOW THE GOLF COURSE OFFERS LITTLE TO NATIVE PLANTS AND ANIMALS.

THE NON NATIVE GRASS FAIRWAYS ARE REGULARLY SPRAYED WITH CHEMICALS AND THE NEW NATIVE PLANT SPECIES AND THE RUG ARE SERIOUSLY DEGRADED.

TURNING NOW TO OUR VISION OF BEING A PARTNER WITH A CITY AND LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS, YOU CAN SEE HERE, THE SOURCES OF THESE SUBSTANTIAL NEW REVENUE STREAMS. I MENTIONED EARLIER, THIS PROPERTY AND SALES TAX REVENUES, THE CITY RECEIVES WILL CONTINUE AND EVEN GROW OVER THE YEARS AS OUR HOME SELL AND REAPPRAISE.

ONE TIME DEVELOPMENT FEES ARE MORE SHORT TERM OFFERING A MEASURE OF MORE IMMEDIATE FISCAL RELIEVER.

DURING THESE TROUBLING TIMES, THE LAND VALUE AND CONSTRUCTION COST OF THE PARK TRAILS AND COMMUNITY CENTER IS 37 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, INCLUDING THE CASH CONTRIBUTION.

IT TOTALS $40 MILLION.

GIVEN THE FISCAL CHALLENGES ALL CITIES ARE FACING.

NOW, IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE HOW THE CITY COULD GAIN THESE AMENITIES WITHOUT RANCHO LA HABRA, WHILE NOT CONTROLLED BY THE CITY.

SCHOOL FEEDS ALSO AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION.

THE SCHOOL FEES CAN BE USED TO EXPAND AND IMPROVE SCHOOL FACILITIES.

IF FUNDS RECEIVED FROM SACRAMENTO IN PER STUDENT, PER DIEM, REIMBURSEMENTS ARE BASED ON HOW MANY STUDENTS ATTEND EACH DAY.

WE ARE SHOWING THE MAXIMUM REIMBURSEMENT REVENUE BASED ON THE EIRS DETERMINATION OF STUDENT GENERATION.

FOR THOSE WHO ARGUE RANCH, LAHABRA INCREASED DENSITY.

IT IS A CODE WORD FOR NIMBY, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.

PLEASE BE MINDFUL THAT THE DENSITY HERE IS COMPARABLE TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES, BUT DENSITY OF OUR THREE SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED ON NEIGHBORHOODS SHOWING IN LIGHT BLUE IS BETWEEN 3.3 AND 4.6.

DO YOU USE PER ACRE, HARDLY CONSIDER HIGH DENSITY WESTRIDGE AT THREE AND A HALF ACRES THREE AND A HALF DAYS PER ACRE IS ACTUALLY A MORE DENSE THAN OUR PLANNING AREAS.

TWO AND FOUR NEXT TO IT FOR THE MULTIFAMILY PLANNING AREAS.

ONE IN FIVE LONG BEACH BOULEVARD SHOWN IN GREEN, THE DENSITY AVERAGES 15 DEALS PER ACRE, WHICH IS LOWER THAN OTHER MULTIFAMILY COMMUNITIES CLAWS EACH HOUR.

I WILL

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START WRAPPING THINGS UP.

WHAT HAPPENED THERE? SORRY.

THE TIMELINE MAY NOT SEEM POSITIVE NEARLY FIVE YEARS TO REACH THIS POINT, BUT THE TIMELINE TELLS A STORY OF THOROUGH, THIS SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS AND PUBLIC REVIEW AND INPUT ALL TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE DONE ALL WE NEED TO DO TO JUSTIFY THE DECISIONS WE'RE ASKING YOU TO MAKE TONIGHT.

PLEASE KNOW THAT WE CIRCULATED THE SECTION OR DUMPSTER THE CITY OF CIRCULATE RESEARCH-RELATED SECTIONS OF THE EIR FOR THIS PURPOSE.

WE ACKNOWLEDGED TRAFFIC.

HE'S THE PRIMARY SOURCE OF COMMUNITY CONCERN.

THAT'S WHY OVER FIVE YEARS OF PLANNING, WE ANALYZE ALL MAJOR INTERSECTION AND ROADWAY, SEGMENTS IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, I BUY NOT TO MENTION COLLECTING TRAFFIC DATA TWICE.

WE ARE GENERATING NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC, WHICH IS NOT THE MAIN CAUSE OF CONGESTION.

REGIONAL TRAFFIC IS PEOPLE FROM ELSEWHERE DRIVING THROUGH LAHABRA.

YOU CAN PROVE THAT BY JUST LOOKING AT HOW WELL THE STREETS FUNCTION IN MID BAY, WHEN THE REGIONAL TRAFFIC IS NOT PRESENT IS NOT TO SOLVE REGIONAL TRAFFIC PROBLEMS. IT IS SUCKS.

IT IS TO SUCCESSFULLY ADDRESS NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC THAT WE GENERATE THE STREETS IN EACH OF OUR FOUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE DESIGNED SO THAT WE CAN CONTROL HOW EACH NEIGHBORHOOD ENTERS OR EXITS IN ORDER TO CONTROL THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES.

ANY ONE OF THE REGIONAL STREETS RECEIVES ALSO BY GAINING THE COMMUNITY.

WE ENSURE THERE IS NO CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC STARTING ON THE EAST WITH PLANNING AREA OR IN LIGHT BLUE.

THESE 82 HOMES CAN ONLY ENTER AND EXIT.

THE IDAHO PLANNING AREA THREE IN GREEN WITH 80 HOMES CAN EXIT TO IDA OR BEACH LAHABRA HILLS DRIVE TO IMPERIAL IS THEIR ONLY ROUTE PLANNING AREA.

TWO IN YELLOW WITH 115 HOMES HAS TO INGRESS AND EGRESS POINTS DOWN.

LAHABRA HIGH STRIVE TO IMPERIAL OR WEST TO BEACH PLANNING AREAS.

ONE IN FIVE IN DARK BLUE WITH 166 HOMES.

WE'LL USE EACH BOULEVARD, WHICH IS ENGINEERED TO HANDLE 60,200 TRIPS A DAY.

WE WILL ADD JUST ABOUT 1% TO BE JUST CALLING THAT'S PART OF OUR TRAFFIC PLAN.

THE OTHER PART IS TO CONTRIBUTE FUNDS.

THE OTHER PARTS OF CONTRIBUTED FUNDS FOR CIRCULATION IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE SPELLED OUT IN THE EIR.

THESE WILL PROVIDE CONGESTION RELIEF TO THE STREETS AND THOROUGHFARES CITY RESIDENTS USE EVERY DAY WITHOUT RANCHO LA HABRA.

THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE FURTHER DELAY BECAUSE OF LACK OF FUNDING.

BUT THOSE WHO SAY THIS COMMUNITY WILL GENERATE LARGE TRAFFIC VOLUME.

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND.

AS I SAID BEFORE, THAT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC PROMPTS IN THE HOMBRE ARE CAUSED BY DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC, NOT LOCAL TRAFFIC.

THIS BRINGS US TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS FUNDING THE CAMPAIGN AGAINST OUR PLAN.

WESTRIDGE.

ERIC CAMPAIGN MAY TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC AND OPEN SPACE, BUT THE MAIN GOAL OF THEIR CAMPAIGN IS FIVE VIEWS.

BUT IF YOU READ THE DISCLOSURES, THE WEST RIDGE HOME BUYER SIDE, WHEN THEY BOUGHT THEIR HOMES, THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT THEY HAVE NO EXPECTATION OF KEEPING THOSE FUMES.

IT SAYS SO RIGHT IN THEIR CCNRS, NO RIGHT TO OR INTEREST IN AN UNOBSTRUCTED VIEW.

AND IF YOU LOOK DOWN TO THE LAST SENTENCE, IT SAYS FUTURE DEVELOPMENTS WITHIN THE PROPERTY OR OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY MAY AFFECT ANY VIEWS EVEN.

SO WE WERE CAREFUL TO RESPECT THEIR VIEWS.

WE USE THE SUBSTANTIAL GREAT CHANGE BETWEEN THE MOST OF WESTBRIDGE AND OUR PROPERTY PLUS LANDSCAPING AND HOME PLACEMENT TO GO A LONG WAY TOWARD PROTECTING THEIR VIEWS.

AS YOU CAN SEE IN THESE BEFORE AND AFTER CMU USED SIMULATIONS FROM THE EIR, THE BEST PART OF THEIR VIEW, THE DISTANT VIEW OF THE APPOINTED HILL AND THEN NIGHT, THE CITY LIGHTS

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IS COMPLETELY UNTOUCHED BY US.

AND THE NEAR VIEW IN MOST CASES IS NOT.

YEAH.

IN SUMMARY, WHILE WE'LL BE FOCUSED ON PAPER TODAY, THE MATTER BEFORE YOU IS MUCH MORE THAN THAT, IT IS ABOUT PUBLIC OPEN SPACE FOR EVERYONE INSTEAD OF PRIVATE OPEN SPACE FOR THE LUCKY FEW, IT IS ABOUT LAHABRA DOING ITS PART TO HELP SOLVE THE HOUSING CRISIS WHILE AVOIDING THE RISKS OF HAVING A MUCH HIGHER DENSITY PROJECT PROPOSED FOR THIS SITE, IT IS ABOUT THE ECONOMIC STIMULUS 1600 NEW CUSTOMERS WILL PROVIDE TO LOCAL BUSINESSES.

IT IS WORTH MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR LAHABRA THE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICTS ROAD IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND OF COURSE IT IS WHAT BEAUTIFUL STATE OF THE ART NEW HOMES WHOSE FUTURE OWNERS WILL BRING DYNAMIC NEW ENERGY TO LAHABRA THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. HAHN.

I JUST LIKE TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT EXCELLENT PRESENTATION.

VERY INFORMATIVE.

WE ARE VERY APPRECIATIVE FOR THAT.

UH, NOW THE COMMISSIONER IS GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU IF THEY STILL PREFER, UH, I MYSELF HAVE SPENT MANY COUNTLESS COUNTLESS HOURS WITH, ER, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS PERSONALLY FROM YOU, BUT I'LL ASK COMMISSIONER BERNAY IF SHE WOULD LIKE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS.

I DO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, LITTLE, BUT YOU'RE THERE.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SORRY.

I DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S SO LOW.

OKAY.

SO YOU HAD ORIGINALLY TALKED AT THE VERY BEGINNING ABOUT, UM, ALL OF THE 7,000 LETTERS YOU RECEIVED IN SUPPORT OF YOUR, OF YOUR PROJECT, RIGHT? OKAY.

SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, UH, ARE YOU A RESIDENT OF THE COMMUNITY OR DO YOU KNOW THE COMMUNITY VERY WELL? HAVE YOU SPENT TIME IN LAHABRA? I GREW UP IN DIAMOND BAR, JUST NORTH OF LAHABRA ONLY WORK IN IRVINE.

UM, AND SO, UH, HAVING SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF TIME IN MANY YEARS IN THE WOODIER DIVING BAR, I'M VERY FAMILIAR.

OKAY.

UM, I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHERE AVOCADO STREET IS.

UM, I HEARD OF AVOCADO STREET AND I THINK I'VE SEEN IT, BUT I CAN'T LOCATE THE EXACTLY WEST ROAD OR EAST ROAD.

DO YOU KNOW WHERE THOSE ARE AT? UH, NO, I DO NOT.

HOW ABOUT SKYLINE ROAD SUBTROPIC OR SUNCREST? YES, I DO.

WHERE ARE THEY? I'VE HEARD THEM THE NAMES BY CHAM POINT OUT TO YOU WITHOUT A MAP IN FRONT OF ME.

YES.

I HAVE MORE THAN TWO DOZEN EIGHT NAMES OF STREETS THAT ARE NOT IN LAHABRA.

THESE NAMES ARE ACTUALLY, THESE STREETS ARE ACTUALLY IN LAHABRA HEIGHTS.

SO A LOT OF YOURS LETTERS OF SUPPORT ARE PEOPLE FROM NOT FROM THE COMMUNITY.

AND LUCKILY FOR ME, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, UH, HERE AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HOME CAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS PANDEMIC GOING ON.

SO I WAS ABLE TO GO THROUGH ALL 14,000 RESPONSES.

AND I THINK GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE, YOU KNOW, APOE OPPOSITION AND I SPENT ALL WEEKEND, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE IN SUPPORT OF YOUR PROJECT, BUT I FIND THAT THERE'S A HIGH PERCENTAGE THAT ARE NOT FROM THIS COMMUNITY THAT I'VE FOUND IN LAS VEGAS, FONTANA, FULLER TUNE BRAT.

AND IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT, BUT THEY'RE NOT OUR RESIDENTS.

SO I NEED YOU TO THINK ABOUT THAT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR 7,000 PEOPLE THAT ARE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.

OKAY.

THAT'S ONE THING I WANT TO GO OVER.

I MAY RESPOND.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THE COMMENT.

UM, CERTAINLY I'LL TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, BUT WE ALSO HAVE CHECK THE, UH, DO THE LOCATE, THE, UM, WHETHER THE PEOPLE ARE SIGNING IS PETITIONS ACTUALLY LIVE IN THE HOMBRE AS YOU HAVE IN D.

YEAH.

AND I WENT THROUGH A LOT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL HAVE OTHER IS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S, EVERYBODY IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OPINION, BUT WE HAVE WAY TOO MANY IN SUPPORT.

THEY DO NOT LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I'VE LIVED IN WALL HARBOR 47 YEARS.

ALMOST.

I MOVED HERE WHEN, WHERE I WAS A COUPLE MONTHS OLD AND I

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FOUND THAT JUST IN THE FIRST 500 RESPONSES.

SO I JUST WANT TO POINT THAT OUT TO YOU JUST REALLY QUICKLY.

OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON THOUGH.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CLUBHOUSE.

GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

WHEN WE DID OUR SPOT CHECK, OKAY.

I'LL BUY 97% OF THE ONES THAT WE PULL FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING WHETHER THE PEOPLE SIGN, THE PETITIONS ACTUALLY LIVE IN LAHABRA IT TURNS OUT ONE 97% OFF.

AND IF YOU LIKE BETWEEN NOW AND THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO VALIDATE EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE PETITIONS AND ADDRESS.

I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LIKE THAT.

AND I'LL BE GOING OVER THAT MYSELF.

ABSOLUTELY.

WE'LL DO THAT TOGETHER IF YOU'D LIKE, OKAY, MOVING ON.

I WILL.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE PARKING LOT IN THE, IN THE PARK THAT YOU'RE GONNA ACTUALLY DO THAT TO US.

AND IT'S SOMETHING FOR THE COMMUNITY, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY.

WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT? IS IT YOU, OR IS IT COMING OUT OF THE MELVILLE ROOTS? WELL, I THINK THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD SEGUE.

CAUSE THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THE BEGINNING THAT WAS DIRECTED TO STAFF ABOUT THE CFP AND WHETHER THE INDIE EVENT, THE CFD IS ON RABBLE THAT PA DOES A TAXPAYER OF SOR ANY LIABILITY.

SO I THINK ACTUALLY THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION FOR THAT.

OKAY.

SO, ALRIGHT.

SO THE CFD IS A FINANCING MECHANISM, RIGHT? SO THE CFD, IF THE CITY COUNCIL DECIDES TO FACILITATE FORMATION OF THAT, THERE IS A LEGAL PROCESS WHEREBY YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT TYPE OF FACILITY, WHETHER IT'S A CLUBHOUSE, WHETHER IT'S A ROAD, WHETHER IT'S A CONSERVATION, THERE IS A CRITERIA BY WHICH WHAT TYPE OF IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE COVERED BY CFP.

AND ACTUALLY IT'S PART OF ON THE, ONE OF THE ATTACHMENT APPENDIX I'M SORRY.

EXHIBIT TWO, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT LISTS THE POTENTIAL LIST OF ELIGIBLE FACILITY FOR INCLUSION IN THE CFD.

OKAY.

SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE CFD TODAY, CAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF OUR APPROVAL, BUT SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, THE CFD DOESN'T GET APPROVED BY COUNCIL WHO PAYS FOR ALL OF THE RENOVATION, THE ROADS, THE IMPROVEMENT, EVERYTHING WHO DOES THAT WE DO DO YOU, YOU CAN GET THAT IN WRITING.

IF THE CFD DOES NOT GO THROUGH, WE CAN GET IT IN WRITING THAT YOU WILL PAY FOR THOSE PORTIONS OF THAT PROJECT.

YOU WON'T PAY FOR IT REGARDLESS.

THEY'RE JUST CFD OR NOT.

I THINK THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION ABOUT CFP.

WE BUILD THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OUT OF OUR OWN FUNDS.

ONCE IT'S, ONCE IT'S COMPLETED, CFD IS FORMED, CAN ACQUIRE THE, THOSE, UM, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BY FLOATING A BOND, UH, AGAINST THE POTENTIAL, UH, FEATURE, UH, TAXES, SPECIAL TAXES, AND THE HOMEOWNERS WILL PAY.

SO THE DEVELOPER WILL PAY FOR EVERYTHING.

IT'S A MATTER OF WHETHER WE CAN GET REIMBURSEMENT THROUGH A FORMATION OF A CFP OR DO WE, UH, INSTEAD OF FORMING THE CFP, IF THERE'S NO CFT, THEN YOU CHARGE HIGHER PRICE ON THE HOME.

ULTIMATELY HOMEOWNERS BEAR THE CAUSE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BUILT HERE.

OKAY.

ROSE WOMEN'S HOMES, EVERYTHING IS JUST A MAN.

MEN ARE BY WHICH WE'VE FINANCED IT.

AND CFD IS A FINANCING MECHANISM TO FACILITATE THAT.

OKAY, WE'LL HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN AND FIND THE CFD FOR US AGAIN SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS A REALLY GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF THE CFD ACTUALLY IS FROM BOTH SIDES.

SO WE HAVE A BIPARTISAN CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.

OKAY.

LET'S MOVE ON THOUGH, FOR THE PRODUCTION LANDS, YOU MENTIONED, GO AHEAD.

IF I COULD JUST MAKE A ONE STATEMENT BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT.

THERE WAS A QUESTION IN THE BEGINNING AS TO WHETHER THE TAX PAYER IS POTENTIALLY ON THE HOOK AS A RESULT OF THE CMT.

AND THE ANSWER IS NO, TAXPAYER IS NOT, IS NOT ON THE HOOK, EVEN IF THE CFD FAILS, BECAUSE IN ORDER TO UNRAVEL THE CFP, YOU HAVE TO PAY OFF THE DEBT THAT THE CFD IS ACQUIRING FINANCING, AND THAT IS SECURE BY THE LIEN ON THE LAND OR THOSE HOMEOWNER.

SO IT IS THE, IT'S NOT THE TAXPAYER, IT'S NOT THE TAXPAYERS WHO ARE ON THE HOOK FOR, UH, THE RAVELING, THE CFD, AND OF COURSE CITY STAFF AND THE COUNCIL CAN, UH, BRING IN AN INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY TO, TO VALIDATE EVERYTHING WEBSITE, BUT TO CFD IS, IS A, IS A STANDARD INDUSTRY PRACTICE.

IT'S DONE

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A LOT IN SOUTH COUNTY AND CENTRAL ORANGE COUNTY.

THIS HAS BEEN VITAL MANY TIMES BEFORE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

ANDREW OR, OR ONE OF OUR LAWYERS YOU GUYS WANT TO CHIME IN ON HERE OR DO WE WANT TO MOVE ON? UM, MICHELLE, I THINK IF YOU WANT IT TO MOVE ON WITH YOUR QUESTIONS, WE'LL BE HAVING A MORE ROBUST CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL REGARDING THE, THE CFD AT THAT MEETING.

WONDERFUL.

IF THEY DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD, ANOTHER SEPARATE MEETING TO TALK ABOUT ESTABLISHMENT.

OKAY.

AND THEN WE CAN SEE HOW THAT GOES FROM THERE.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

WONDERFUL.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY.

MOVING ON TO THE LANDS AND PARKS, YOU, YOU SHOWED US A WONDERFUL MAP OF LIKE THE, UM, THE WATERPARK AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE KIDS AREA AND ALL OF THAT.

UM, MY QUESTION TO YOU IS DO YOU EVOLVE? I I'M A TERRIBLE GOLFERS.

I WOULD NOT BE THE RIGHT PERSON.

I CAN'T HIT A BALL TO LAND IN A FAIRWAY BY LIFE.

DEPENDS ON IT.

HAVE YOU BEEN GOLFING AT ALL IN ANY OF THESE YEARS? I TRY MANY TIMES WITH US SUCCESS.

OKAY.

SO, UM, MY FAMILY'S NOT AVID GOLFERS.

MY INLAWS ARE GOLFERS.

MY HUSBAND'S A GOLFERS.

MY KIDS ARE GOLFING.

AND YOU TALKED ABOUT THIS TAKING THE LAND FOR THE PARKS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW IT IS WHEN YOU GOLF, YOU DO NOT STAY ON EACH HOLE FOR VERY LONG.

SO YOU COME UP TO THE GREEN YOU'RE THERE MAYBE 10 MINUTES, DEPENDING ON HOW BIG YOUR PARTY IS.

AND THEN YOU MOVE ON AND YOU DO NOT STAY ON THE GREEN OR THE SHERWIN.

YOU, YOU MOVE ALONG AND YOU GO TO THE NEXT HOLE.

YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, FAMILIES HANGING OUT AT THE PARK AND HAVING A GOOD TIME.

AND PARTIES.

YOU MENTIONED PARTIES IN YOUR, IN EUROPE PRESENTATION.

I WANT YOU TO DISCUSS THE ABANDONED OIL WELLS.

THAT'LL BE UNDERNEATH THAT PART.

OKAY.

WHY? THE, THERE IS A, UM, UH, THERE IS A, UM, A PORTION OF THE SITE HAS UNDERNEATH, IT HAS A PETROLEUM, UH, EFFECTIVE THAT WAS BEEN BURIED LONG TIME AGO.

AND THIS IS A, UM, IS ENTIRELY, UH, DESIGN.

IT NEEDS TO BE DESIGNED AND APPROVED BY THE ORANGE COUNTY HEALTHCARE AGENCY.

AND SO YOU PLAN TO DO THAT.

I'D BE HAPPY TO, UM, TO TALK ABOUT IT.

IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFICS YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO TRY IT.

YEAH.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING THERE IS 10 ABANDONED OIL WELLS UNDERNEATH THE PARK AREA THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING.

AND I MYSELF DO NOT FEEL THAT IT'S A GREAT IDEA FOR ME TO TAKE MY FAMILY AND MY FRIENDS AND MY LOVED ONES TO A PARK.

AND IT HAS POTENTIAL CONTAMINATION UNDERNEATH.

AND TO BRING UP THAT POINT IN THE EIR, I DID NOT SEE A PHASE ONE OR PHASE TWO FOR ENVIRONMENTAL VAPORS OR ANYTHING.

CAN YOU, UH, LET ME KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING.

ARE WE GOING TO GET THAT? UH, NO, I DISAGREE.

THE PHASE ONE, ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT IS PART OF THE EIR DOCUMENTATION.

SO YOU DO SEE INCLUDED IN THE EIR AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO, UM, ACTUALLY, UH, GET THE ACTUAL, UH, PAGE REFERENCES.

WE'LL BE HAPPY TO GET THAT.

OKAY.

I'D BE HAPPY TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION ON THAT AND YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT.

UM, DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND YOURSELF ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT? YES.

I READ THE EIR SEVERAL TIMES.

SOME FAMILIAR WITH THEIR CONDITIONS.

YES.

OKAY.

SO MOVING ON, GO AHEAD.

OKAY.

AND T TO THE EXTENT THAT WE NEED TO RE ABANDON THE WELLS TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS THAT ARE SET BY THE CALIFORNIA AGENCY, THAT'S KNOWN AS DOGGER, AND THEN WE ARE PLANNING TO DO THAT AS WELL, SO, OKAY.

OKAY.

I DEFINITELY WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.

I'M SURE EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT BECAUSE OF THE PARKS.

I'M GOING TO TAKE MY WHOLE FAMILY AND I'VE GOT A REALLY BIG FAMILY.

THERE'S 56 OF US IN MY IMMEDIATE FAMILY.

I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE THEM TO AN AREA WHERE I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING ON.

UM, HOW ABOUT THE HOMES? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF HOMES.

AND I HEARD THAT THERE'S NO CAP ON THE HOMES THAT ARE A HIGHER PRICE, BUT MY, MY QUESTION HERE IS JUST VERY SIMPLE.

THE MULTIFAMILY UNITS, I FEEL THAT IF THIS WAS A PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY, THERE WOULD BE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR MORE MULTIPLE MULTIFAMILY UNITS FOR THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE THIS NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S FOR EVERYONE.

SO CAN YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THAT? UH, YES, I'D BE HAPPY TO, BUT IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON THE QUESTION A LITTLE BIT MORE,

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IS IT IS A QUESTION AS TO, UH, THE PRICE POINTS.

ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT MY POINTS AND WHY DON'T WE HAVE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE AREA? CAUSE IF I WANT TO SELL OUR HOME AND MOVE INTO THAT AREA, I WOULD ASSUME BECAUSE OF THE AREA WE'RE IN, IT'D BE SOMETHING MORE AFFORDABLE.

IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO.

SURE.

SO OUR HOMES HAS, UM, ABOUT HUNDRED 60, SOME ODD HOMES THAT ARE MULTIFAMILY, AND THESE ARE WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER, EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY NOT LIKE THE PRICE OF THE HOME WOULD BE WHAT WE CONSIDER IMPORTANT FOR SOUNDING, OKAY.

THESE ARE THE RELATIVELY, A LITTLE BIT MORE HIGHER DENSITY, ABOUT 15 TO 18 PER ACRE ATTACHED HOMES, THREE STORY HOMES.

UH, AND THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT WE FEEL LIKE HAS MORE OF A MODERATE PRICE POINT IN THE MARKETPLACE.

I DO RECOGNIZE SOME OF THE BIGGER HOMES THAT DETACH HOMES THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.

AND MY WORRY TOO IS IN THIS PANDEMIC THAT WE'RE IN, WILL WE BE ABLE TO SELL THESE HOMES AT THE PRICES THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING? WELL, THE IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL, UM, WHY DO THE, HOW MUCH TIME WOULD TAKE BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN THE WHOLE, OKAY.

AND MY LAST QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU, I'LL COME BACK TO I'M MISS SUE.

I NEED TO LET MY OTHER COMMISSIONERS JUMP ON, BUT, UM, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU AND ANDREW, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THIS? YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE CONTRIBUTING $1 MILLION TO THE COMMUNITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, RIGHT.

THAT COMES OUT TO APPROXIMATELY 2,200 AND SOME DOLLARS PER HOME FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AM I CORRECT? ANDREW, THERE IS A RECENT PROJECT THAT WE HAD HERE OFF OF BEACH BOULEVARD.

UM, HOW MANY HOMES WAS THAT BUILT IN THAT AREA? I THINK IT'S DIRECTED TO ANDREW.

HO ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE VOLUNTEER PROJECT? THERE WAS ABOUT 300, A LITTLE OVER 300 UNITS IN THAT DIVISION.

OKAY.

AND IN THAT DEVELOPMENT, HOW MUCH WAS GIVEN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PER UNIT? UM, THAT NUMBER ESCAPES ME AT THIS TIME.

I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION TO A LATER.

OKAY.

I APPRECIATE THAT FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE OF 10 TO 15,000 PER UNIT.

THAT IS WELL BELOW 2,200.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN A PERCENTAGE FOR EACH HOME, ESPECIALLY WITH WHAT THE HOME PRICES ARE GOING FOR IT.

ARE YOU ASKING ME TO RESPOND OR YEAH.

SO THE PACKAGE BEFORE YOU, I DON'T THINK WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT EACH OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS SEPARATELY, AND I ASKED THAT YOU TAKE A LOOK AT A COMPREHENSIVE PACKAGE, WHICH IS $40 MILLION UP PUBLIC BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY.

IF TRADITION AT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT ADEQUATE, AND IT IS THE HIGHER PRIORITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO GET MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT NOT AS MUCH IN SAY PARKS, WE CAN START ANY WORD TO FIGURE OUT WITHIN THE, UH, THE OVERALL SIZE OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT TO WORK ON THAT.

BUT THE, WE HAVE GONE THROUGH A LOT OF EXERCISE TO DETERMINE WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO THE CITY IN EXCHANGE FOR THE RIGHT TO DEVELOP THIS COMMUNITY.

SO I THINK THE RIGHT WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRETY OF ALL OF THE FOUR LOOK AT ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE RATHER THAN ISOLATING EACH ONE OF THOSE, BECAUSE I THINK THERE WILL BE MORE, YEAH.

AND I FEEL LIKE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION FOR ALL THOSE AMENITIES THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY PROPOSING FOR THAT $40 MILLION.

AND I FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT AN ACCURATE COUNT OF WHAT I'M GETTING, SO I'M GONNA, I'M GOING TO BACK AWAY AND GIVE IT TO MY COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY QUESTIONS.

I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND I WILL BE BACK.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER BERNIE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

I'M GOING TO DEPART FROM ORDER JUST FOR ONE QUICK SECOND, JUST TO, UH, SAY ONE LITTLE THING, UH, KIND OF IN SUPPORT OF WHAT MICHELLE SAID, AND THAT'S WHAT, WITH REGARD TO THE 7,800 LETTERS OF SUPPORT.

I LOOKED AT ALL THAT STUFF TOO.

AND IT WAS ALSO AS EVIDENT THAT ABOUT 7,000 OF THOSE LETTERS OF SUPPORT WERE LITTLE POSTCARD THINGS SIGNED BY FOLKS OUTSIDE OF SHOPPING MALLS AND SUCH, AND THEY ASKED THREE QUESTIONS.

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DO YOU SUPPORT HIGH DENSITY? YES OR NO.

DO YOU SUPPORT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? YES OR NO? DO YOU SUPPORT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND REPAIRS? YES OR NO? WELL, IT WAS A TREMENDOUS SURPRISE THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE, UH, DO NOT WANT HIGH DENSITY.

THEY SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS AND THEY SUPPORT ROAD IMPROVEMENTS.

HOWEVER, AND THIS CARD WAS SUBMITTED TO SHOW SUPPORT FOR RANCHO LA HARBOR.

SO I THINK IT WAS A BIT DISINGENUOUS TO, YOU MIGHT EVEN CHECK AND SEE THESE FOLKS ARE FROM LAHABRA, BUT THESE CARS ARE NOT ASKING ABOUT APPROVAL OR SUPPORT OF THE PLAN ITSELF.

THEY WERE ASKING VIRGIN ERIC QUESTIONS.

AND MR. HAD, I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT WITH THAT.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHEN WE ASSESS THE VALUE OF PUBLIC SUPPORT, THE QUALITY OF PUBLIC SUPPORT, A HANDWRITTEN LETTER, THIS OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN BY THE AUTHOR CARRIES MORE WEIGHT THAN A POSTCARD WHERE SOMEBODY DOESN'T REALLY EVEN UNDERSTAND FOR NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY SUPPORTING.

SO THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ABOUT IT.

AND I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO A COMMISSIONER POWELL FOR ANY QUESTIONS, MR. HAN, THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN.

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

AND COULD JERRY COMMISSIONER MUNOZ? SAME QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

YES.

UM, REGARDING, UM, THE, THE ENVIRONMENTAL, AS FAR AS THE SUPER FUND SITE, I KNOW, UH, MICHELLE SPOKE HEAVILY ON THAT.

MY QUESTION IS MORE DIRECTED TOWARDS, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF WARMING TEA OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? I MEAN, ONCE YOU GUYS END UP, LET'S SAY HYPOTHETICALLY, IT GETS APPROVED THING AS DEED OVER THE PARK.

IS THERE ANYTHING THAT THE DEVELOPER HAS A WARRANTY ON IT OR ONCE IT'S DEEDED OVER, IT'S OUR PROBLEM.

UH, WE HAVE SD CONCH DEVELOPER AND THE CONTRACTOR TO BILL.

OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO STAND BEHIND WHAT WE HAVE BUILT, BUT IT'S NOT FOREVER, BUT THERE IS A, UM, UH, THE WARRANTY PERIOD UNTIL, UM, UNTIL THE, THE, UH, EVERYTHING THAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO HAS BEEN DONE AND ALL OF THE, UH, IT LIFTS UP TO HIS EXPECTATIONS.

BUT THE, UM, SO THERE IS A, UH, WARRANTY PERIOD THAT IS ASSOCIATED WITH OUR WORK, BUT THIS IS NOT A SUPER FUN, SUPER FUN SITE.

I'M NOT SURE JUST THE, THE HISTORY, THE ENVIRONMENTAL HISTORY OF IT IN THE PAST, IN THE SENSE, KNOWING THAT THE CITY HAS SOME TYPE OF REASSURANCE IN WHICH WE HAVE EITHER WARRANTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

I MEAN, THE LAST THING WE WOULD WANT AS A DEVELOPER JUST TO SIMPLY WALK AWAY AND THEN IT BECOMING A CITY PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY IF THERE IS SOME ENVIRONMENTAL, UM, ON THE SITE, AGAIN, WE ARE ONE OF THE LARGEST HOME BUILDERS IN THE NATION.

WE ARE $28 BILLION CAPITALIZATION.

AND DURING THE DOWNTURNS THAT WERE IN MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF BEING HERE FOR OVER 12 YEARS, THE WORLD, A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED, BUT WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT TO US IS PROTECTING OUR BRAND IS PROTECTING OUR BRAND IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO US BECAUSE WE WANT TO CONTINUE DOING BUILDING HOMES IN ALL THE COMMUNITIES IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

SO THE, THE, THE, UH, THE IMPLICATION OR THE SUGGESTION THAT WE WOULD WALK AWAY FROM SUCH A MAJOR ELEMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A LIKELY SCENARIO OF FROM ME.

SO IS THAT WARRANTY LIKE LEGAL MANDATE OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND? WHATEVER, IF THERE IS A LEGAL MANDATE TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF WARRANTY.

SO AS DEVELOPER WE NEED TO BUILD AND WE NEED TO WARRANTY WARRANTY FOR OUR WORK FOR HOMES, THERE'S A TENURE, WHAT THEY CALL THE, UH, THE, UH, THE WARRANTY THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE, UH, BY STATE LAW.

BUT THE PARKING PERMITS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT IF IT IS THE CONCERN OF THE COMMISSION.

AND WE SOMEHOW WILL NOT HONOR THAT YOU WANT TO EXTEND THE WARRANTY TO MAKE YOU COMFORTABLE.

SURE, ABSOLUTELY.

WE WILL TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION AND WE'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN WHAT WOULD BE THE WARRANTY RIGHT NOW FOR THE PUBLIC AMENITIES, AS FAR AS THE PARK, THE TRAILS AND SO FORTH.

UM, BUT YOU MENTIONED THE HOUSES WOULD BE 10.

WHAT WOULD BE THE, THE WARRANT FOR THE OTHERS? UH, I THINK IT'S TYPICALLY ONE TO TWO YEARS, BUT LET ME CONFIRM WITH OUR TEAM AND, UH, LET ME RESPOND TO THAT, UH, BEFORE THE, UH, THE MEETING IS OVER.

OKAY.

SO MY SECOND QUESTION IS TO EXPAND ON WASHOE.

UH, UH, MICHELLE WAS MENTIONING AS FAR AS AFFORDABILITY, THE QUESTION IS

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SPECIFIC.

UM, HOW COME YOU GUYS PREFER TO PAY THE IN LIEU FEE? I MEAN, NOT THAT IT'S REQUIRED OR ANYTHING, BUT VERSUS HAVING ONSITE AFFORDABILITY, UH, AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THE SENSE BECAUSE YOU GUYS DO PUSH FOR HOMES FOR ALL OF THE, UM, LAHABRA RESIDENTS.

SURE.

SO WHERE AS WE DESIGN OUR COMMUNITY AND FIGURE OUT THE ECONOMIC FEASIBILITY OF THIS DEVELOPMENT, WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF PUBLIC BENEFIT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT CAN SUPPORT.

SO OUR, YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THE POSITION THAT THE WA THE MOST IMPORTANT OR MOST VALUED ELEMENT OF THE PUBLIC BENEFITS IS A PARK OPEN SPACE CONVERSION OF THE GOLF CLUB INTO A COMMUNITY CENTER AND SO FORTH.

SO WE TRY TO MAXIMIZE OUR VALUE OR OUR PUBLIC BENEFIT THERE.

AND THE WAY WE DID THAT IS BY HAVING A MARKET RATE HOUSING THAT IS ABLE TO PAY FOR MOST OF THEIR PUBLIC BENEFITS, SAFETY.

IF THE QUESTION IS, WELL, WHY DON'T WE DO ACTUALLY IN A RESTRICT THE PRICE OF A NUMBER OF OUR HOMES SOON AFFORDABLE LEVEL, WHETHER IT'S MODERATE, WHETHER IT'S LOW, IT'S VERY LOW.

SURE.

WE CAN ENTERTAIN THAT, BUT THAT WILL HAVE A CONSEQUENCE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE CAN SUPPORT IN THE PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE.

SO, AS I SAID BEFORE, TO COUNCILMAN, I'M SORRY TO COMMISSIONER HERNIAE THAT THE, UH, OUR DEVELOPMENT OVERALL CAN SUPPORT ABOUT $40 MILLION WORTH OF PUBLIC BENEFIT.

IF THE PUBLIC, IF WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY INCOME RESTRICT A NUMBER OF HOMES AND THEREFORE THE REVENUE TO COME FROM THERE IS DIMINISHED.

AND OUR ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE SAME TYPE OF SAME LEVEL, SAME VALUE TO THE OPEN SPACE IS DIMINISHED ON THE OTHER HAND.

SO IT IS THE, IT IS THE OVERALL PACKAGE.

SO IF THE, IT IS THE DETERMINATION OF THE DECISION OF THE COMMISSION, THAT ONE ELEMENT OF THE PUBLIC BENEFIT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE OTHER.

SURE.

WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE RIGHT MIX THAT THE COMMISSION WISHES TO PURSUE.

AND THAT'S IT FOR ME, CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY.

THAT'S THAT IS THAT FOR ME? ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIR, MAN, LIKE PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. HONDA, RANCHO LAHABRA SPECIFIC PLAN, A PLANNING AREA FIVE ALLOWS FOR A RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT, UM, WITH 46 UNITS OR A DEVELOPMENT OF ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF COMMERCIAL USE THE STAFF REPORT INDICATED THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD PREFER THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT COMPONENT.

UM, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON TO WHY THAT IS? SURE.

SO AS YOU KNOW, THIS SPECIFIC PLAN ALLOWS FOR EITHER USE, UM, APPROXIMATELY 20,000 SQUARE FEET OF KIND OF A, UM, SPECIALTY RETAIL OR, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY FOR SALE HOMES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING.

AND SO THE, DURING THE PROCESS, DURING THE PLANNING PROCESS, WE HAD A, UM, A RETAIL SPECIALIST FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN GO ON THERE AND WHAT TYPE OF RETAILER WOULD GO IN THERE, HOW MUCH THEY WOULD PAY.

AND HE'S DARING ENOUGH.

WE TELL HER INTEREST TO GO THERE.

AND THE STUDY CAME BACK THAT THERE IS VERY LIMITED OPPORTUNITY TO DO RETAIL AT A PRICE POINT.

THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO IT IS THE ONCE WE LEARNED THAT THERE IS A LIMITED OPPORTUNITY FOR RETAIL AND THE MULTIFAMILY HOMES WAS ACTUALLY A BETTER USE OF THAT SITE, NOT TO MENTION THE, A ACTUALLY PURSUING THE OPTION OF A 20,000 SQUARE FOOT RETAIL WOULD GENERATE A LOT OF ACTUALLY TRAFFIC.

SO WE HAVE TWO CONSIDERATIONS, ONE BY FAR THE MOST IS THE, IS THERE A SUFFICIENT MARKET TO SUPPORT? AND SO RETAILERS WANT TO GO THERE ONCE YOU'VE LEARNED THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

AND ALSO THAT IT HAS HIGH TRAFFIC VOLUME THAT WILL BE ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

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IT SEEMED LIKE THE BETTER USE OF THE SITE IS TO, UH, HAVE, UH, THE MULTIFAMILY ROUTE, THE, WHERE THE PLANNING ONE AND PLANNING AREA FIVE IS MERGED TO PRESENT A MORE COHESIVE COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT'S AN INTERESTING, UM, KIND OF ANALYSIS OF THAT AREA.

I MEAN, WITH 450 POTENTIAL NEW RESIDENCES, UH, COMING INTO THAT AREA AND BEING IN SUCH A KIND OF PRIME LOCATION ON THE INTERSECTION OF IMPERIAL AND BEACH BEING SO CLOSE IN PROXIMITY TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT AND THE SURROUNDING COMMERCIAL MIXED RETAIL USE.

UM, JUST SEEMS A LITTLE INTERESTING TO ME.

UM, COULD YOU SHARE WITH US JUST THE STATUS OF THE CONVERSATION THAT THE APPLICANT IS HAVING? I'M SURE THAT'S ONGOING REGARDING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, UM, WITH THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE.

SURE.

YEAH.

WE HAD MULTIPLE, UM, DISCUSSIONS AND MEETINGS WITH THE CITY OF WWE ON VARIOUS MATTERS, INCLUDING THE DEED RESTRICTION.

OBVIOUSLY THE LIFTING OF THE DEED RESTRICTION IS CENTRAL IN IMPLEMENTATION OF OUR PROJECT.

AND SO THE, UH, CDF W UM, HAS INDICATED THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT IT REQUIRES A, UM, COMPENSATORY MITIGATIONS FOR THE, UH, FOR THE LAWS AND THE, THE LIFTING OF THAT, THESE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE HAVE NOT CONCLUDED.

WHAT DID CONDITION FOR LIFTING THAT DEED RESTRICTION IS THEY THINK THE CDFA IS WAITING FOR ACTUALLY THE CITY TO MAKE DETERMINATION ON THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE ACCOMPANYING ENTITLEMENTS BEFORE, SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS A REAL PROJECT.

AND THEN THERE WILL BE PROBABLY MORE, UH, INTENSELY INVOLVED IN ACTUALLY FLUSHING OUT THE DETAILS.

OKAY.

UH, AND IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO, UM, MAYBE COME TO AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR AFFORDABLE, UM, MAYBE A LACK OF, UH, A REASONABLE COMMUNITY BENEFIT, UH, IN THE PROJECT AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO REVISIT? I'M SORRY.

WOULD YOU MIND, YOU SAID DEED RESTRICTION AND THEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WERE LINKING, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF I SAID THAT OR NOT.

I THINK THAT DEED RESTRICTION WAS THE LAST QUESTION, BUT, UM, FOR THIS QUESTION, UH, IF THE COMMISSION WERE TO, UM, JUST FEEL THAT THE COMMUNITY BENEFIT OF, UM, THE PROJECT AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW, WOULDN'T BE, UM, SUFFICIENT.

UM, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE LOOKING TO REVISIT? UM, AS I INDICATED TO YOU THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE HAVE A VERY BEST PACKAGE THAT WE CAN PUT TOGETHER, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE COMMISSION NOW IN LOOKING AT WHAT IS GRANTING AND WHAT THE PUBLIC BENEFITS ARE, CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND KIND OF PINE.

AND WHETHER YOU THINK THAT THE PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE IS ADEQUATE OR NOT.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMISSION'S MEETING TONIGHT.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE ARE VERY MUCH, I MEAN, COMMITTED TO PURSUING THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WE SPENT OVER FIVE YEARS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND WE'RE NOT GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON, WE WILL TAKE THIS ALL THE WAY TO THE END.

AND SO, UM, ASK THE SD COMMISSION APPLIANCE, IT GETS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WE WILL TAKE EVERY, UH, THAT THE COMMISSION MAKES CAREFULLY AND, UH, WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO FACILITATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN.

THANK YOU, SHARON.

ZARIAN UM, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

VICE CHAIR, MANLY.

ALRIGHT.

THERE'S OH, MR. HAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, THAT WAS A LONG SESSION OF Q AND A, UH, WE APPRECIATE IT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONCISE ANSWERS AND, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

UH, IT'S TIME, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TO TAKE A QUICK, AS WE CALL IT EUPHEMISTICALLY A HEALTH BREAK.

UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, OVER TWO HOURS AT THIS POINT.

SO 10 MINUTES IS WHAT WE HAVE ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR A HEALTH BREAK.

SO LET'S LOOK AT THE TIME, HOW EXACTLY I GOT IT'S EIGHT 45.

SO WHAT THE COMMISSION WILL DO IS ADJOURN NOW FOR A 10 MINUTE BREAK, AND WE WILL RETURN AT EIGHT 55.

IT MIGHT ACTUALLY BE EIGHT 56 BY THE TIME I STOPPED TALKING, BUT, UH, JUST ABOUT THERE AND FOLKS THAT ALSO,

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UH, BE AWARE THAT, UH, THE DIRECTOR A WHOLE HAS TOLD ME THAT THE CHAT GOES AWAY WHILE WE'RE ON A BREAK.

I KNOW ALL YOU FOLKS HAVE BEEN CHATTING A LOT, BUT IT'S JUST GOING TO BE 10 MINUTES.

AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK ON AGAIN, THE CHAT IS RE ENABLED.

SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF IT DISAPPEARS IS BECAUSE I GUESS THAT'S THE WAY THE PLATFORM WORKS.

UH, SO WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF I, UH, ANDREW POINT OF ORDER, DO I, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A MOTION OR CAN I JUST DECLARE A, A 10 MINUTE RECESS? UH, YOU CAN JUST DECLARE A 10 MINUTE RECESS AND, UH, WELL, WE'LL RECONVENE IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES AND EVERYBODY THAT IS ONLINE OR ON VIDEO, THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE RESTROOM OR WHEREVER YOU CAN KEEP YOUR CAMERAS ON OR, OR, OR WHATNOT.

YEAH.

I THINK SOMEBODY, I EVEN SAW SOMEBODY ASKING THAT, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL IT BACK IN.

YOU JUST, YOU JUST DO A WALK AWAY AND YOU CAN MUTE AND DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE WHEN YOU'RE STAYING ON.

WE'RE ALL STAYING ON.

WE'RE JUST GOING TO COME BACK NOW AT EIGHT 56.

SO I DECLARE THE MEETING TEMPORARILY JOURNEY EIGHT 56.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO YOU CAN EITHER VOLUNTEER YOUR PRESENCE OR I CAN CALL ROLE VERY COLUMN HERE.

OKAY.

THERE'S JERRY, HOW ABOUT COMMISSIONER? BERNAY I'M HERE.

GOOD.

HOW BOUT, THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

I AM HERE.

GOOD AND VICE CHAIR.

MANLY.

I'M HERE.

JASON, ARE YOU? OH, THERE YOU ARE.

OKAY, GOOD.

AND DIRECTOR.

HO ARE YOU WITH US? YES, I'M HERE.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

WE ARE NOW CALLING THE LAVA CITY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING BACK TO ORDER AFTER A 10 MINUTE BREAK.

I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT I WAS JUST INSTRUCTED BY A CITY STAFF THAT, UH, THEY WERE INSTRUCTED BY THE ATTORNEYS FOLLOWING THIS PROCEEDING THAT EVIDENTLY THE CHAT THAT'S BEEN GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND IS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD.

AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE LAWYERS HAVE SAID THAT RATHER THAN THE CHAT BEING IN EXISTENCE, THESE COMMENTS NEED TO BE ENTERED AS ACTUAL COMMENTS DIRECTED TO THE COMMISSION.

SO DESPITE WHAT I SAID, 10 MINUTES AGO ABOUT CHAT BEING RE ENABLED, EVIDENTLY WILL NOT BE.

AND INSTEAD I WOULD SIMPLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, DIRECT WHATEVER SENTIMENTS YOU MIGHT'VE BEEN EXPRESSING ON CHAT, UH, TO THE COMMISSION DIRECTLY WHEN IT'S TIME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.

UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO FIRST IS HEAR FROM THOSE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT, AND THEN HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT, YOU'LL BE SELECTED FROM THE MEETING QUEUE WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO SPEAK, YOU ARE EXPECTING A LARGE VOLUME OF CALLS.

SO PLEASE BE PATIENT AS IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME TO GET TO YOU, BUT EVERYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WE'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.

IT'S LOOKING LIKE WE PROBABLY WILL NOT BE FINISHING TONIGHT BECAUSE I'M FEELING THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO WANT TO SPEAK AGAIN.

WE WILL ASSESS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE QUEUE AT 10 30, BUT IF THERE IS A LARGE NUMBER IN THE QUEUE STILL REMAINING OR LIKELY TO ADJOURN AND THEN RECONVENE TOMORROW, BUT WE'LL SEE HOW IT GOES.

WE MIGHT PUSH IT A BIT FARTHER THAN THAT, BUT IT JUST DEPENDS HOW FAR ALONG WE GET AS A REMAINDER REMINDER EMAILS PRIOR TO THE OPENING OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING, WE'RE AFFORDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR REVIEW EMAILS RECEIVED.

ONCE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS COMMENCED WILL BE CONSIDERED AFTER ALL ORAL TESTIMONY IS COMPLETED AND THE CHAIR CLOSES THAT PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO AGAIN, WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM ANY COLLARS WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT AND WILL THE CALL REMEMBER TO PLEASE IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, PLEASE SLOWLY SPELL OUT YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND GIVE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD AND RADHIKA, IF YOU'RE THERE AND IT'S YOUR CONVENIENCE, YOU CAN LIGHT THEM UP AND WE CAN TAKE THE FIRST CALL.

THERE WERE ABOUT 10 PEOPLE WITH RAISED HANDS, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE DOING THAT FOR OPPOSITION OR IN SABER OF RIGHT.

WELL, I'LL ISSUE A REMINDER TO THOSE THAT HAVE JUST RAISED THEIR HANDS, THAT THIS IS THE TIME TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE RACHAEL PROJECT.

AND THEN FOLLOWING THAT WE WILL BE HEARING FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.

SO IF THAT IS STILL YOUR INTENT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT, LET'S TAKE ON THE FIRST COLOR AND WE'LL FIND OUT, LET ME, UH, WHAT I'M GOING TO BE DOING IS LOWERING EVERYONE'S HAND.

AND THEN THOSE THAT WANT TO SPEAK IN FAVOR CAN RAISE THEIR HAND AGAIN, PLEASE.

OKAY.

SO THESE ARE FOUR IN FAVOR.

WE WILL START WITH TENNIS STALL.

GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

UH, MY NAME'S KEN STALL.

I'M A LAND USE ATTORNEY AND A LAW PROFESSOR WHO SPECIALIZES IN LAND USE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

HELLO, HOW ARE YOU?

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I, UM, I, UH, PUT A LETTER IN, UH, IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, ABOUT EIGHT PAGES THAT DESCRIBES, UH, THE RENA PROCESS, HOW IT AFFECTS LAHABRA, UM, AND SOME OF THE CONSEQUENCES THAT MAY FOLLOW, UM, IF THE RANCHO, THE HARBOR PROJECT ISN'T APPROVED, UH, I DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE LETTER, OBVIOUSLY IT'S LONG AND TECHNICAL.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO GO OVER SOME, SOME OF THE MAIN POINTS IN A NONTECHNICAL WAY, AND ALSO MAYBE ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE SAID TONIGHT.

OBVIOUSLY, I KNOW IT'S NOT YOUR PRACTICE TO TAKE QUESTIONS DURING PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO, UH, JUST DISCUSS THE PROMPT, MY, MY THOUGHTS ON THE PROJECT OR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE THIS MEETING, IF ANYONE WANTS TO CONTACT ME.

UM, BUT ANYWAY, THE, THE, THE MAIN POINT OF THE LETTER THAT I, THAT I WROTE WAS THAT IT'S GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE CITY TO MEET ITS REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS OR RENA OBLIGATIONS WITHOUT ENTITLING THIS PROJECT, ESPECIALLY IF THE, UM, OPEN SPACE INITIATIVE IS THEN ENACTED AND THE CITY HAS NOT ACTED ON THE, ON THE ENTITLEMENT, UH, AND RELATED TO THAT, UH, THE MARINA PROCESS, WHICH HAS TRADITIONALLY BEEN KIND OF NEGLECTED, UH, AND IS NOW A PROCESS THAT'S VERY MEANINGFUL, UH, THE GOVERNOR OR THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, AND, UH, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, AS WELL AS MANY OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE GOVERNMENT ARE NOW TAKING THE RENA PROCESS MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY, WHICH MEANS THAT THERE MAY BE SIGNIFICANT CONSEQUENCES, UH, IF THE RENAL OBLIGATIONS AREN'T MET.

UH, SO I, THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE, THE BOTTOM LINE.

I JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH BRIEFLY SOME OF THE DETAILS.

SO THE FIRST PIECE IS WE KNOW THAT THE CITY OF LA HARBOR IS LIKELY TO GET A FAIRLY LARGE ARENA NUMBER.

THE ESTIMATE RIGHT NOW IS 803, AS YOU HEARD BEFORE, BROKEN DOWN INTO FOUR INCOME CATEGORIES, THAT'S AN ESTIMATE.

IT IS POSSIBLE THAT NUMBER WILL CHANGE.

BUT AS I SAID IN THE LETTER, I THINK IT'S LIKELY THAT IF ANYTHING, THE NUMBER WILL INCREASE AND IT WILL ALMOST CERTAINLY NOT DECREASE.

UH, AND I CAN GO INTO MORE DETAIL IF YOU'D LIKE, BUT AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT'S DESCRIBED MORE ON THE LETTER.

UM, SO, SO REALISTICALLY THE CITY SHOULD BE PLANNING FOR AT LEAST 803 UNITS OF HOUSING FOR THE NEXT CYCLE THAT STARTS IN OCTOBER, 2021.

THE NEXT PIECE IS THAT THE STATE LAW NOW, UNLIKE IN THE PAST REQUIRES THE SITES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED TO BE REALISTICALLY CAPABLE OF DEVELOPMENT DURING THE CYCLE.

UH, AND ONE WAY IN WHICH THAT IS DEFINED BY STATE LAW AND BY AACD, UM, IS THAT, UH, SITES THAT ARE NON VACANT OR CURRENTLY OCCUPIED WITH ANOTHER LAND USE ARE, UM, ARE DISFAVORED, UNLESS THERE WAS SOME SIGNIFICANT EVIDENCE THAT THE SITE CAN REALISTICALLY BE DEVELOPED FOR HOUSING.

UM, AND IN THIS CASE, I'M NOT AWARE OF TOO MANY VACANT PARCELS IN THE CITY OF LAHABRA AND THE CURRENT HOUSING ELEMENT, THE CITY ONLY IDENTIFIES FOUR.

UM, AND TWO OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN BUILT ON THE OTHER TWO WERE DESIGNATED ONLY TO ACCOMMODATE ABOUT 30 UNITS IN TOTAL.

SO THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH VACANT LAND.

AND THEN AS FAR AS THE NON VACANT LAND IN THE CITY, THERE REALLY AREN'T, AS FAR AS I CAN TELL ANY SITES TO THE CITY THAT MEET ACDS CRITERIA FOR BEING REALISTIC IN TERMS OF HAVING DEVELOPMENT CAPACITY, OTHER THAN THE RANCHO LA HARBOR SITE, WHICH I THINK WE'VE SHOWN PRETTY EXTENSIVELY, UM, IS, UH, SUITABLE FOR HOUSING.

UM, MANY CITIES I KNOW ARE THINKING THAT THEY CAN ACCOMMODATE A SIGNIFICANT SHARE OF THEIR ARENA WITH ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, BUT ACD HAS MADE IT BE CLEAR THAT THEY MAY ALLOW, THEY USED TO ACCOMMODATE SOME OF THE RENA SHARE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO BE THE WHOLE THING.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE WHOLE 803, OR EVEN THE WHOLE ABOVE MODERATE SHARE WITH JUST 80 USE.

THERE'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE SOME SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY.

UH, AND OF COURSE WITH RANCHO LAHABRA, THE ENTIRE ABOVE MODERATE CATEGORY CAN BE SATISFIED AS WELL AS OF COURSE, A SUBSTANTIAL PAYMENT TOWARDS THE LOWER INCOME CATEGORIES WITHOUT RANCHO LAHABRA.

UH, THE CITY IS GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME IDENTIFYING OTHER SITES THAT ARE REALISTIC.

SO WITH THAT SAID, UH, AS I SAID, I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY THE CITY IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO, UH, MEET ITS ARENA OBLIGATIONS WITHOUT ENTITLING RANCHO LA HOMBRE.

SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, WHAT CONSEQUENCES WILL THE CITY POTENTIALLY FACE IF IT DOESN'T ENTITLE RANCHO LAHABRA.

AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THIS RENA OBLIGATIONS WHERE THERE ARE A BUNCH, AND AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL IN THE LETTER, THERE WAS LOSS OF SIGNIFICANT SOURCES OF STATE FUNDING.

SB TWO, FOR EXAMPLE, IS A SIGNIFICANT SOURCE OF FUNDING FOR PLANNING THE CITY OF HUNTINGTON BEACH, JUST FOR REFERENCE ESTIMATES THAT THEY LOST ABOUT $600,000 LAST YEAR IN SB TWO FUNDING, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A COMPLIANT HOUSING ELEMENT.

AND THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER NEW SOURCES OF FUNDING.

THE STATE HAS IDENTIFIED UNDER ITS PRO HOUSING DESIGNATION, A PRO HOUSING POLICIES PROGRAM, WHERE IT WILL GET PREFERENCE IN MANY OF ITS AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROGRAMS TO CITIES THAT ARE IN COMPLIANCE AND DISFAVOR CITIES THAT ARE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

THERE IS ALSO THE POSSIBILITY OF LOSING SOME OR ALL OF THE CITY'S LAND USE AUTHORITY.

IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A COMPLIANT HOUSING ELEMENT, IN SOME CASES, FOR EXAMPLE, IN ALOMEDA A COURT,

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UH, ENJOYING THE CITY FROM ISSUING ANY BUILDING PERMITS, WHICH MEANT THAT THE RESIDENTS WERE NOT ABLE TO REMODEL THEIR HOMES OR THEIR KITCHENS, OR EVEN WIDEN THEIR DRIVEWAYS BECAUSE THE CITY WAS PREVENTED FROM ISSUING ANY BUILDING PERMITS UNTIL IT HAD A COMPLIANT HOUSING ELEMENT.

OF COURSE, THERE'S, THERE'S THE POSSIBILITY OF LITIGATION AND THE POSSIBILITY THAT THE CITY WILL BE REQUIRED, UH, TO APPROVE HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING UNDER THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, OR SB 35 ON ANY SITE, POTENTIALLY THAT IS OWNED RESIDENTIAL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

EVEN IF IT'S ZONED LOW DENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL, IT MAY BE REQUIRED TO PERMIT HIGHER DENSITY HOUSING.

SO THOSE ARE ALL CONSEQUENCES AND THERE'S SOME OTHER OTHERS DETAILED IN THE LETTER THAT COULD HAPPEN.

IF THE CITY DOESN'T MEET ITS, OR DOESN'T HAVE A COMPLIANT HOUSING ELEMENT, WHICH MEANS ALL THE WORDS, IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S RENA OBLIGATIONS.

THE LAST THING I JUST WANT TO SAY VERY QUICKLY, OF COURSE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLY KICKING THIS DECISION UNTIL AFTER THE INITIATIVE IS VOTED ON.

UM, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT STRATEGY IS IF THE INITIATIVE PASSES, UH, AND THEN THE PROPERTY IS UNABLE TO BE REZONED WITHOUT VOTER APPROVAL.

UM, THEN THE CITY CANNOT HAVE A COMPLIANT HOUSING ELEMENT ALMOST CERTAINLY WITHOUT SOMEHOW WITHDRAWING THE VOTER INITIATIVES.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CITY OF ENCINITAS, WHERE THE CITY WAS FOUND BY HDD TO HAVE A NONCOMPLIANT HOUSING ELEMENT BECAUSE OF A VOTER INITIATIVE.

AND THE CITY HAD TO ACTUALLY SUE ITS OWN RESIDENTS IN ORDER TO HAVE THE INITIATIVE DECLARED INVALID BEFORE ACD WOULD CERTIFY AND SEND SANITAS AS BEING A COMPLIANCE WITH ITS HOUSING ELEMENT.

UH, SO THAT'S, UH, A PRETTY DIRE CONSEQUENCE THAT THE CITY MIGHT FACE IF IT ALLOWS THIS PROJECT TO GO DOWN THE ROAD TOWARD, TOWARDS THE INITIATIVE PROCESS.

UH, SO FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, UM, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO, UH, ENTITLED, YOU KNOW, RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL OF THE RANCHO LAHABRA PROJECT SO THAT THE CITY CAN BE WELL ON ITS WAY TO MEETING ITS RENA OBLIGATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. STALL, FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

I'M NOT GONNA ROLL CALL ALL OF YOU ON EVERY SINGLE SPEAKER.

SO IF YOU DO FEEL COMPELLED TO ASK A QUESTION OF ANY PARTICULAR SPEAKER, PLEASE JUST INTERJECT.

BUT IF I DON'T HEAR ANYTHING IMMEDIATELY, I MEAN, ANDREW, DARREN, I ASK THE QUESTION.

YEAH, GO AHEAD THEN.

KAREN, UM, UM, MR. UH, YOU DIDN'T STAY, WHETHER YOU'RE A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA OR ARE YOU A RESIDENT? OKAY.

AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE, UH, MEETING THE REQUIREMENTS.

HOW MANY YEARS DO WE HAVE TO MEET THIS RENO REQUIREMENT THAT JUST CAME OUT? IT'S A NINE YEAR PLANNING CYCLE, BUT THE HOUSING ELEMENT HAS TO BE COMPLIANT FOR THE ENTIRE CYCLE.

SO YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY FOR 803 UNITS FOR THE ENTIRE CYCLE STARTING IN OCTOBER, 2021.

YEAH.

BUT WE'RE JUST, WE JUST GOT THOSE NUMBERS AS OF WHEN, WELL THEN THE NUMBERS AREN'T FINAL YET.

RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST AN ESSENCE.

YEAH.

SO NOTHING'S DEFINITIVE.

WHAT STILL NEEDS TO BE FIGURED OUT? WELL, WE, AS I SAID, IT'S LIKELY TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF EIGHT, EIGHT OH THREE OR POSSIBLY HIGHER.

YEAH.

WELL, WE DON'T HAVE EXACT NUMBERS JUST IT'S NOT FINALIZED YET.

OKAY.

AND THEN WE HAVE NINE YEARS.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TIME, THERE WERE DEFINITELY IS TIME FOR THIS PROJECT.

THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN ACTUALLY BUILDING THE UNITS AND PLANNING FOR THE UNITS.

SO YOU HAVE THE EIGHT YEARS TO BUILD THE UNITS.

BUT AS I SAID, THE PLAN HAS TO ACCOMMODATE THE UNITS THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CYCLE FROM THE BEGINNING.

I GET IT.

AND ANDREW HO I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU REALLY QUICK IF THAT'S OKAY.

CHAIRMAN, UM, UH, DO WE HAVE A NUMBERS THAT ARE ALREADY FLIPPING INTO THIS, UH, RENA NUMBER OF HOUSES? NO.

OUR, OUR NEW DESIGNATION FOR THE NEXT, UH, EIGHT YEAR PLANNING CYCLE IS, UH, EIGHT OH THREE.

AND WE'LL PROBABLY INCREASE BY A LITTLE BIT ONCE THE FINAL NUMBERS ARE DONE.

AND AS WE GO THROUGH THE HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE, WE'LL BE IDENTIFYING KIND OF WHERE WE THINK THE CAPACITY IS TO PUT THESE 803 OR MORE UNITS, UH, OVER THE NEXT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, SIR.

BOTH OF YOU SURE.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE REAL QUICK? NOT HEARING ANYBODY.

SO MR. STALL, ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

OF COURSE.

AND VERONICA, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM TELEPHONE NUMBER (949) 903-8008.

GO AHEAD.

SNEAKER.

AM I MUTED? NO, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OH, PERFECT.

THANK

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YOU.

CARE PLANNING, COMMISSIONER STEVEN MOTT EXECUTIVE OFFICER FOR THE BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION OF ORANGE COUNTY.

I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT, UH, OR, OR OFFER OUR SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT.

THE BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ORANGE COUNTY IS A NONPROFIT TRADE ASSOCIATION REPRESENTING OVER 1100 MEMBER COMPANIES AS OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND INDIVIDUALS WITHIN THE HOME BUILDING INDUSTRY.

UH, PAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AS EVERYONE KNOWS, HAS BEEN UNPRECEDENTED, UH, SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE LOCAL AND GLOBAL ECONOMY.

UH, THE STATE AND FEDERAL DIRECTIVES TO REMAIN AT HOME WERE NEARLY UNIMAGINABLE UNTIL THEY BECAME REALITY.

AND THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THIS CANNOT BE OVERSTATED.

UH, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT BEFORE THE COVID CRISIS, WE WERE IN CALIFORNIA SUFFERING FROM A HOUSING SUPPLY CRISIS, A SERIOUS LACK OF HOUSING AT ALL.

INCOME LEVELS WAS PREVENTING NEW FAMILIES FROM CLIMBING THE LADDER, THE HOUSING LADDER, AND FROM BEING ABLE TO REMAIN IN THE AREAS WHERE THEY GREW UP STUDY SHOWED THE STATE NEEDS ABOUT 180,000 NEW UNITS EACH YEAR.

WE'RE PRODUCING ON AVERAGE ABOUT 80,000.

AND IF YOU LISTEN, LISTEN TO THE GOVERNOR, WHICH I, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, WE NEED ABOUT 500,000 UNITS PER YEAR.

THE THING IS WHEN THIS PANDEMIC IS OVER, HOWEVER, THAT LOOKS, WE'RE STILL GOING TO BE IN A HOUSING CRISIS.

AND SO WE ARE EXCITED TO SEE THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA LEADING THE WAY THROUGH THIS TIME WITH A GREAT STAFF SUPPORTED PROJECT OF MUCH NEEDED UNITS FOR THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA.

UH, THIS WILL NOT JUST ADD UNITS TO THE CITY, BUT IT WILL ADD MILLIONS TO CITY COPPERS THAT ALL RESIDENTS WILL ULTIMATELY BENEFIT FROM, YOU KNOW, AND JUST LASTLY, A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THIS CALL, A LOT OF PEOPLE BEFORE IT WAS, WERE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM REZONES WITHIN THE CITY, JUST GIVE THE GENERAL OR THE OTHER GENERATIONS THE SAME OPPORTUNITY.

UH, THANK YOU.

AND THEN I THINK I DID FORGET TO MENTION MY OFFICE.

WE ARE IN IRVINE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'LL WAIT TO SEE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO JUMP IN.

OTHERWISE WE'RE GOING TO PROCEED TO THE NEXT SPEAKER.

OKAY.

NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM JOSE .

WELL, AS MUCH AS, UH, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS .

UM, SO JUST SO I'M TRANSPARENT WITH YOU ALL, BECAUSE IT MAY BE ASKED LATER, I AM A RESIDENT OF FULLERTON, UH, NICE SUITE THREE, THREE, AND, UH, MY FAMILY LIVES IN COYOTE HILLS JUST ACROSS, UH, IDAHO AND ALSO IN THE, UM, SANDALWOOD NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, SO MY GODMOTHER AND GODFATHER LIVED THERE AND I BIKE BETWEEN BOTH HOUSES ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY, EXCEPT FOR THE LEASE AND AIR QUALITY ISSUES DUE TO THE WILDFIRES.

AND SO, UM, I WORK IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVOCACY SECTOR.

I SERVE ON THE SOUTH COAST AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, YOUTH COUNCIL.

UH, SO I'M FAIRLY FAMILIAR WITH HOW, UH, HOUSING ISSUES INTERSECT WITH OUR CLIMATE CRISIS.

AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THERE IS A HUGE NEED FOR LAHABRA TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS PROJECT.

I WAS ACTUALLY, UH, THE JOURNALIST WHO BROKE THE STORY ON THE EL RANCHO LA HABRA EIR BACK IN 2018, I BELIEVE.

UH, AND, UH, LO AND BEHOLD BACK THEN, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE HOUSING CRISIS AND HOW IT AFFECTED ME OR HOW IT AFFECTED THE VAST MAJORITY OF CALIFORNIANS, BUT, UH, FAST FORWARD TO 2020 TODAY.

AND I'M MUCH MORE WELL INFORMED AND EDUCATED ON HOW A SCAGS REGIONAL COUNCIL, COASTAL PLAN IMPACTS ORANGE COUNTY AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA REGION AT LARGE.

BUT WE'RE, WE'RE NOT ONLY IN A HOUSING CRISIS, WE'RE IN A CLIMATE RIGHT CRISIS.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN BUILDING A SUBURBAN, SUBURBAN SPRAWL IN THE BOONIES, AND, UH, WE'VE BEEN SENDING OUR LOW INCOME FAMILIES.

OUR YOUNG PEOPLE COME YOUNG FAMILIES TO LIVE, UH, IN THE DESERTS AND COMMUTE TO OUR JOB CENTERS IN ORANGE COUNTY, WHICH HAS CONTRIBUTED TO OUR GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS, WHICH WE HAVE A DUTY AND RESPONSIBILITY TO DRAMATICALLY REDUCE BY HALF, UH, TOWARDS A 2030.

AND WE CANNOT POSSIBLY DO THAT WITHOUT BUILDING MORE HOUSING NEAR OUR JOB CENTERS IN ORANGE COUNTY.

NOW, THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW PARCELS OF LAND, THIS GOLF COURSE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY BUILD HOUSING AND EXPECT THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK AND BIKE TO GO DO THEIR DAILY NEEDS GO SHOPPING TOO, GO TO THE PARKS TO EXPLORE JUST TO LIVE A GOOD QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND SO I'M, UH, I'M URGING THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD ON THE RANCHO LA HARBOR SITE, BECAUSE

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AS MORE PEOPLE BECOME INFORMED ABOUT HOW CRITICAL OUR CLIMATE AND HOUSING CRISIS IS, THEN I'M SURE THAT MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE WILLING TO BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND SAY, YES, WE CAN, WE CAN SUPPORT MORE NEIGHBORS ARE LIVING NEAR US.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO REPEAT THE 1950S RACIST, SEGREGATIONIST CLASS-BASED HOUSING POLICIES OF THE PAST.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO REPEAT SOME OF THAT RHETORIC THAT SAYS THOSE PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED BECAUSE I GOT MY SHIT.

AND NOW YOUNGER GENERATIONS DON'T GET TO HAVE THEIR FAIR SHARE OR THEIR ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY AND LIVE THE AMERICAN DREAM.

SO WE'RE GOING TO, I ACTUALLY GET ON THE SAME PAGE HERE AND REMIND OURSELVES THAT WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS RANCHO LA HABRA PROJECT, WE HAVE TO MEET OUR STATE MANDATES TO BUILD HOUSING.

WE HAD TO MEET OUR RENA ALLOCATION NUMBERS IN THE RECENTLY PASSED THE COASTAL PLAN.

AND SO HOW CONNECT TRANSIT PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE CLIMATE CRISIS BY REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AND DRIVING, LIVING IN NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES THAT ARE SUSTAINABLE AND WALKABLE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED BY, UH, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, STAYING WITHIN OUR SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITIES.

AND SO I JUST WANT TO URGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA, I'M VERY MUCH SHOP IN LAHABRA.

I LOVE NORGAY MARKETS.

MY GRANDFATHER HELPED CO-FOUND THE NORTH GATE MARKETS.

SO I MEAN LIKE, COME ON, IT'S BEAUTIFUL THERE.

AND I HAVE FAMILY THAT LIVES IN THE HOT ROD THAT WOULD STAND TO BENEFIT FROM, YOU KNOW, HAVING HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES NEARBY SO THAT WHEN MY BROTHER RENA AND MADRINA GET OLDER, THEIR GRANDPARENTS HAVE THE CHOICE OF LIVING JUST DOWN THE STREET OR ACROSS IDAHO.

UM, SO THAT, UH, THAT CONCLUDES MY PUBLIC COMMENT FOR TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR.

I WOULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING TERRIBLE TO YOUR LAST NAME.

I WANT TO SAY SUNYATA PLEASE FORGIVE ME, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M NOT HEARING ANY OTHER COMMISSIONER WISHING TO INTERJECT.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING AND VERONICA.

NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM ADAM, UH, AND I UN-MUTED HIM.

I LOST HIS LAST NAME.

I'M SORRY, ADAM.

HI.

HI.

UM, MY NAME'S ADAM BOOKBINDER THAT'S B U C H B I N D E R A.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS FROM THE CHAT.

I AM UNAFFILIATED WITH THIS OR ANY OTHER DEVELOPER ON MY DAY JOB.

I'M AN ENGINEER.

I'VE HAD FRIENDS DISPLACED BY THE HOUSE B SHORTAGE, AND I'M HERE BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THIS.

I'M ALSO A FORMER, HOPEFULLY FUTURE PLANNING COMMISSIONER IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA.

I'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HOMES ARE DESPERATE.

WE NEEDED THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

THIS IS A GENTLE DEVELOPMENT IT'S IN LINE WITH THE REST OF THE CITY, IN TERMS OF DENSITY, YOU'LL TURN UNUSABLE, EXCLUSIVE GOLF COURSE TO A PUBLIC PARK AND NEW HOMES.

NEW NEIGHBORS WILL NOT RUIN YOUR CITY.

CITIES ARE NOT RUINED BY PEOPLE.

CITIES ARE MADE OF PEOPLE.

NOW WE'RE HEARING ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT, BUT THE FUNDAMENTAL TRUTH OF ENVIRONMENTALISM IS THAT YOU CAN NEVER THROW ANYTHING AWAY BECAUSE A WAY IS NOT A PLACE.

THE POTENTIAL NEIGHBORS WHO WOULD LIVE IN THESE NEW HOMES WILL NOT VANISH.

THEY'LL LIVE IN RIVERSIDE, THEY'LL DRIVE THROUGH LAHABRA.

THEY WON'T PAY PROPERTY TAXES OR SHOPPING YOUR LOCAL BUSINESSES.

THEY'LL SPEND HOURS IN MISERABLE, COMMUTES AND PULL WITH THE AIR.

I URGE THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THE DEVELOPMENT.

I'M SEEING A LOT OF FEAR AND ANGER IN THE CHAT CHANNEL, AND I DON'T IMPEDE THE CONTENTIOUS DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE WITH THE CURRENT RESIDENTS.

DIDN'T DESTROY THE CITY WHEN THEY MOVED INTO THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND THE NEW RESIDENTS, WON'T DESTROY IT WHEN THEY MOVE INTO THEIR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

ALL RIGHT, ADAM.

THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM KYLE K.

HEY THERE.

HI, I'M CAROL KELLY.

I'M ACTUALLY IN A AFFORDABLE HOUSING ADVOCATE.

UM, ONE CONCERN FOR ME WITH THE PROJECT, EVEN THOUGH I AM CALLING IT SUPPORT, IS THAT HONESTLY, THIS WOULD BE AN IDEAL SITE FOR YOU TO BE BUILDING MULTIFAMILY HOUSING, UM, IT'S RIGHT UP AGAINST OTHER COMMERCIAL AREA, AND THEN YOU'D BE ABLE TO HAVE, UM, ADDITIONAL PARK SPACE, UH, AT THE SAME TIME.

I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE REALLY HAPPY WITH THE GENTLE DENSITY THAT'S THERE NOW.

UM, BUT I KNOW FOR SOMEBODY THAT, THAT WORKED AT WALMART FOR FIVE YEARS AND HAS LIVED IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, A LOT OF WHAT WE END UP NEEDING IS APARTMENTS TO, TO BE ABLE TO GET BY.

UM, AND IT, IT'S HARD SOMETIMES TO FIND A PLACE NEAR WHERE YOU WORK.

UM, AND SO I, I HAVE KIDS NOW, UM, AND IT CONCERNS ME IF WE ARE NOT CREATING ENOUGH HOUSING.

UM, AND CERTAINLY IF WE'RE NOT CREATING ENOUGH

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AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR MY OWN CHILDREN, FOR YOUR CHILDREN, YOUR GRANDCHILDREN, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO ADAPT AND HOW TO BUILD AS A, AS A CITY AND AS A COUNTY.

UM, AND AS A STATE, UM, IT'S IMPERATIVE, THERE'S A MORAL IMPERATIVE HERE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO.

UM, SO FOR, FOR EACH OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON HERE TONIGHT, I KNOW FOR, FOR ANY OF YOU NEIGHBORS, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT THE BILL AND YOU SHOULD TRY TO HELP STEWARD THIS ONE IN THE DIRECTION YOU WANT.

UM, IT'S, IT'S THE SAME THING THAT I DO IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD NOW.

UH, AND I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK DOWN TO WORK IN SOQUEL AGAIN.

UM, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE REALLY WELCOMING WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS.

UM, SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TONIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. KELLY.

WE APPRECIATE IT, ANDREW, A QUICK THING.

I'M NOT HAVING FOLKS SLOWLY SPELL OUT THEIR FIRST AND LAST NAMES IS, IS THAT A COMPULSORY OR AN INTEREST OF TIME? CAN I CONTINUE? WILL YOU RECOMMEND, UM, FOR THE RECORD, IF WE CAN HAVE EVERYBODY, UH, UM, STATE THEIR NAME AND SPELL IT OUT, IF, UH, IF IT'S NOT, WE'LL TRY OUR BEST TO SPELL IT OUT OURSELVES, BUT IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR THE RECORD IF EVERYBODY COULD SPELL OUT THEIR NAMES.

YEAH, I CAN GO AHEAD AND DO THAT IF YOU WOULD.

THANK YOU, SIR.

MY NAME IS KYLE KELLY, SO THAT'S K Y L E.

LAST NAME KELLY, K E L L E Y.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. KELLER, ANY COMPLAINTS? OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM TELEPHONE NUMBER THREE TEN THREE FOUR ZERO FIVE FIVE SIX.

CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES, WE CAN.

EXCELLENT.

HELLO EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS ADAM WOODMAN, THE BUILDING INDUSTRY LEGAL DEFENSE FOUNDATION.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMMENT WHERE THE LEGAL DIVISION OF THE BUILDING AND SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME.

OF COURSE, ADAM WOOD, A D A M OH OH D I'M BASED OUT OF IRVINE.

THANK YOU.

KEEP THE THANK YOU, UH, COMMENTS LIMITED IN SCOPE.

I KNOW WE HEARD PREVIOUSLY A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RINA.

I WANT TO EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.

UH, THEY TOUCHED ON HUNDRED AND THREE UNITS THAT IS VERY LIKELY TO GO UP.

I KNOW THAT IN THE PAST RENA REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN SOMETHING, A LOT OF CITIES HAVE, UH, LOOKED OVER, PRESS GLAZED OVER IT'S LACK TEETH FOR ENFORCEMENT THAT HAS DRAMATICALLY CHANGED OVER EVEN JUST THE LAST YEAR.

AND MORE'S COMING DOWN THE LINE.

UH, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.

I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU CHAT WITH STAFF ABOUT THE IMPACT THIS IS GOING TO HAVE ON YOUR COMMUNITY IN THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS.

UM, I KNOW THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BACK AND FORTH.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IT WAS CLEAR THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PLANNING DONE WITHIN THE NEXT YEAR.

SO ALTHOUGH THE 803 ISN'T FINALIZED YET, IT SHOULD BE VERY SHORTLY.

AND THEN YOU HAVE UNTIL NEXT OCTOBER TO UPDATE, UH, YOUR HOUSING ELEMENT TO REFLECT THAT.

SO TIME GROWS SHORT, UH, AND THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY HERE WITH RANCHO LAHABRA TO ADDRESS A HUGE CHUNK OF HOUSING THAT IS VERY DESPERATELY NEEDED, UH, W WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UH, SACRAMENTO HAS GOTTEN VERY SERIOUS ABOUT THIS HOUSING CRISIS.

A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK, THEY PASSED, UH, FURTHER LEGISLATION THAT, UH, ENABLES THE STATE TO COME DOWN VERY HARD ON CITIES THAT ARE NOT, UH, COMPLIANT.

UH, IT'S A LONG PROCESS.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO ALL THE DETAILS HERE, BUT YOU CAN BE FINE BETWEEN 10 TO $600,000 PER MONTH WHEN YOU'RE OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR HOUSING ELEMENT REQUIREMENTS, UH, UNDER STATE RULES.

SO WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH LAHABRA TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS ARE ABLE TO CHART A PATH TO SUCCESS.

LET'S NOT HAVE THE STATE COME DOWN WITH A HEAVY HAND ON YOU GUYS.

I THINK YOU'VE GOT A GREAT OPPORTUNITY IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT AND HOPE TO BE ABLE TO PARTNER AND WORK WITH YOU GUYS GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE CHANCE TO SHARE THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. WHITE.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM PHONE NUMBER (562) 694-1044.

OKAY.

HEARING NONE.

WE MOVE TO THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

YES, WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM ANNA KAREN SERVE ON FIFTH JUST TO CONFIRM RON, BUT WE'RE NOT, WE WOULDN'T BE EXPERIENCING ANY KIND OF TECHNICAL DIFFICULTY WOULD WE? NO, NOT THAT I CAN SEE ON MY END.

SORRY.

I THINK I'M SORRY.

I STEPPED AWAY FROM MY COMPUTER FOR A SECOND.

UM, BUT SO MY TURN TO SPEAK,

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I JUST WANT TO SAY MY NAME IS ANA KAREN CERVANTES, AND I LIVE AT 10, 16.

OH, SORRY.

BEFORE.

UM, I SAW A N A K A R E N, LAST NAME CERVANTES, C E R V A N T E S.

UM, I LIVE AT 10 16 EAST THIRD AVENUE IN LAHABRA AND MY FAMILY HAS LIVED HERE IN LA BRUH FOR OVER 13 YEARS.

AND I AM HERE TONIGHT TO EXPRESS MY VERY STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE RENTER WILL HARBOR PROJECT.

UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF REASONS THAT I VERY MUCH BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT THE MOST URGENT ARE THE CLOSELY RELATED REASONS AS AN EARLIER SPEAKER, UM, SPOKE ABOUT AS WELL ARE THE FACTS THAT WE ARE IN BOTH THE HOUSING CRISIS AND IN THE VARIOUS SEVERE ENVIRONMENTAL CRISIS.

UH, OUR STATE IS LITERALLY ON FIRE IN LARGE PART BECAUSE OF OUR SOCIETY'S COLLECTIVE FAILURE TO TAKE BOLD AND DECISIVE ACTION TO ADDRESS CLIMATE CHANGE.

DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE'VE KNOWN FOR MORE THAN THREE DECADES, THAT THIS WAS COMING, THE HEARTBREAKING FIRES AND TERRIBLE AIR QUALITY THAT WE'VE ALL BEEN STRUGGLING WITH FOR OVER A WEEK NOW, OR REALLY JUST THE BEGINNING OF WHAT IS TO COME.

IF WE CONTINUE TO CLING TO THE STATUS QUO.

AND THEY'RE ALSO THE DIRECT RESULT OF IN PART OUR COLLECTIVE REFUSAL IN THIS COMMUNITY AND ACROSS THE STATE TO ALLOW FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF ENOUGH HOUSING AT ALL INCOME LEVELS, INCLUDING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING, LIKE ANGELA HOMBRE, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE PEOPLE TO LIVE CLOSER TO WHERE THEY WORK, WHICH IN TURN WOULD MAKE IT SO THAT PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE AS FAR IN TRAFFIC OR BE AS CAR DEPENDENT AND THUS BE ABLE TO LIVE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY LIFESTYLES AS A RESULT, HOUSING COSTS LOCALLY AND ACROSS THE STREET ARE NOW OUT OF REACH FOR TOO MANY WORKING AND MIDDLE-CLASS CALIFORNIANS, INCLUDING YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE ME.

I GREW UP HERE IN MAHABHARAT, LIKE I MENTIONED, MY FAMILY HAS LIVED HERE FOR MORE THAN 13 YEARS.

I WENT TO WASHINGTON MIDDLE SCHOOL IN SONORA, HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEN TO STANFORD BEFORE MAKING THE DECISION TO COME BACK TO THIS COMMUNITY, BECAUSE I GENUINELY BELIEVE THAT IT IS A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE AND A PLACE THAT HAS IMMENSE POTENTIAL TO BE AN EVEN STRONGER AND MORE VIBRANT COMMUNITY.

IF WE MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR MORE PEOPLE TO LIVE HERE AND HELP IT THRIVE.

I URGE THE COMMISSION TO APPROVE THIS DEVELOPMENT AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS VERY UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY TO DEMONSTRATE STRONG REGIONAL LEADERSHIP AND EMBRACE OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO BUILD A, NOT ENOUGH HOUSING.

IF WE REALLY WANT TO CLAIM THAT LA HARBOR IS A CARING COMMUNITY, WE SHOULD BE WELCOMING OF ALL OF THOSE WHO WOULD WISH TO LIVE HERE.

AND WHEN THIS GOLF COURSE IS EVENTUALLY TURNED INTO HOUSING, WHETHER IT IS WITH THIS PROJECT OR WITH THE FUTURE ONE, I AM CERTAIN THAT THE DEMAND WILL BE OVERWHELMING AND THAT ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO COME AND LIVE HERE ARE GOING TO BE FANTASTIC MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

IT'S ABOUT DAYS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM ELIZABETH H GO AHEAD.

CAR.

YES.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS ELIZABETH WITH A Z HANSBERGER H A N S B U R G.

UM, I AM FORMERLY A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA.

I LIVED AT 10 16 KERNER WAY, 961.

UH, WE HAVE SINCE HAD TO MOVE, BUT I NOW LIVE IN FULLERTON WHERE I SIT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I ALSO RUN THE, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND MARKET RATE HOUSING ADVOCACY ORGANIZATION CALLED PEOPLE FOR HOUSING COUNTY.

WE SENT YOU A LETTER, A, WE ARE ORANGE COUNTY'S GRASSROOTS HOUSING ADVOCATES.

UM, I CAN'T SAY IT BETTER THAN ANA.

KAREN CERVANTES SAID IT.

SHE PUT IT ALL OUT THERE.

SO THE ONE THING I WILL DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO, UH, IN MY LETTER IS SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT YET BEEN RAISED ABOUT THE RENA PROCESS, WHICH IS THAT WHEN CITIES DO THEIR PLAN, THEY MUST IDENTIFY SITES THAT CAN BE USED FOR HOUSING.

IF THOSE SITES ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING ON THEM, THEY NEED TO HAVE BUY IN FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER IS WILLING TO HAVE THEIR SITE REUSE FOR HOUSING.

SO, AS AN EXAMPLE, IF YOU HAVE AN INDUSTRIAL AREA THAT'S DOING OKAY, AND THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY WANTS IT TO SAY INDUSTRIAL, YOU CAN'T JUST REZONE IT AND SAY, OH, OKAY, NOW YOU CAN HAVE HOUSING THERE.

THE NEW LAWS THAT WERE PASSED, GIVE HCD THEIR MONITORING AND ENFORCEMENT POWERS ALSO REQUIRE DETAILED ANALYSIS OF EVERY INFILL SITE.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO NEED COOPERATION FROM ANY OF THE LANDOWNERS THAT YOU IDENTIFY SITES FOR YOUR FUTURE PLAN, WHICH YOU HAVE A YEAR TO DO, LITERALLY 20, 21.

UH, AND IN THIS CASE YOU HAVE A LANDOWNER WHO'S OFFERING UP THEIR SITE FOR HOUSING.

SO THAT SHOULD NOT BE OVERLOOKED.

YOU SHOULDN'T JUST DECIDE THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE IT THERE, IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE PLACE BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT IS GOING TO GO INTO QUOTE, MAKING IT INAPPROPRIATE PLACE IS GOING TO BE THE BUY-IN THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE FROM THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER.

UM, SO I'LL LEAVE IT WITH THAT BECAUSE MOST OF WHAT I WOULD SAY HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE BY OTHER CALLERS.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

THANK YOU, MISS ASBERG.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM PHONE NUMBER (714) 365-1097.

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GO AHEAD AND CALL HER, GO AHEAD AND SPEAK HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M HEARING NO RESPONSE.

SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

GO AHEAD, CALLER.

THANK YOU.

UM, MIKE'S GUINNESS, G H E N I S.

AND I LIVE IN OXFORD.

UM, I HAVE NO CONNECTIONS TO LENNAR OR ANY DEVELOPER.

I'M ACTUALLY AN ECONOMIST.

I WORK FOR A NONPROFIT.

THAT RESEARCH IS POVERTY.

POVERTY IS EXPLAINED PRIMARILY BY TWO FACTORS, INCOME AND HOUSING COSTS.

AND DESPITE CALIFORNIA'S HIGH INCOMES ARE HIGH HOUSING COSTS HAVE MADE US THE HIGHEST POVERTY RATE OF ANY STATE IN THE COUNTRY.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE HIGHEST CHILD POVERTY RATE.

I THINK THIS IS A TOTAL SCORCH ON SOCIETY.

WE SHOULD ERADICATE THAT'S FROM THE US CENSUS BUREAU FROM EVERY YEAR PAST DECADE.

AND ALL THE EVIDENCE DEMONSTRATES THAT THESE HIGH HOUSING COSTS ARE THE DIRECT RESULT OF OUR 3 MILLION HOME SHORTAGE.

I'M ALSO A LIFELONG CALIFORNIA.

I'VE SEEN MANY OTHERS.

WHO'VE GROWN UP ALONGSIDE ME HERE, FORCED TO LEAVE BECAUSE THERE AREN'T THE HOMES FOR THEM.

THESE KIND OF HOMES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT ARE THE KIND OF HOMES THAT COULD KEEP PEOPLE HERE SO THAT THEY CAN REMAIN BY THEIR FAMILIES, RAISE THEIR OWN FAMILIES IN LAHABRA LIKE MANY OF YOU HAVE.

AND FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THAT WE ARE IN A HISTORIC RECESSION, MANY CALIFORNIANS ARE IN DIRE ECONOMIC STRAITS AND WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE WORK.

THIS WOULD CREATE BOTH IN CONSTRUCTION AND IN THE BUSINESSES THAT WOULD HAVE A PLACE IN MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.

THESE HOMES ARE VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL TO THOSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND BY PROVIDING JOBS AND HOMES, HE WENT TO ADDRESS THE TWO MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS IN REDUCING POVERTY.

SO I HOPE YOU'LL APPROVE IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. SKIN.

SO WE APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

RICHARD NORTH NORTH.

ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD AND SPEAKER.

HI, RICHARD NORDIC, LAST NAME N O R D S I E K.

I DO LIVE IN LA HAVAS SPECIFICALLY IN THE NORTH HILLS AREA.

I'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST A YEAR.

IT'S A GREAT CITY WHERE WE'RE VERY HAPPY HERE.

WE RELOCATED FROM ANAHEIM.

I WORK IN FORTUNE, SO I LITERALLY DRIVE THROUGH LA HOMBRE.

I DO SUPPORT THE PROJECT, UM, MORE SO BY DEFAULT, UH, BECAUSE OF ALL THE REASONS DESCRIBED SOMETHING'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO THERE.

AND, UM, I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST WAYS TO USE THAT AND JUST ALL THE PROBLEMS COMPARED TO VERY HIGH DENSITY, HOUSING AND FULLERTON.

I WAS ON ANOTHER, UH, BECAUSE OF WHERE I WORK AT MORNING SIDE, I WAS IN ANOTHER MEETING WITH THE FULLERTON COMMISSION FINER AND THEY WERE APPROVING A VERY HOT THREE STORIES, UM, HOUSING THAT WAS VERY, VERY DENSE.

AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE DO NOT WANT IN MAHAMUDRA, BUT, UM, SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO THERE TO HELP DO THESE REQUIREMENTS.

SO I DO THINK, UH, THE COMMISSION SHOULD APPROVE IT.

MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION IS CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

I THINK THE DEVELOPER, I THINK THERE'S ROOM AND MORE MONEY ON THE TABLE, UH, FOR PUBLIC BENEFITS.

SO I DO THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE LOOKING.

I THINK MICHELLE BROUGHT UP SOME VERY, VERY GOOD POINTS AMONGST WITH OTHERS ABOUT HOW I THINK THERE COULD BE MORE PUBLIC BENEFIT FOR .

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, MR. .

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM PHONE NUMBER (562) 694-1044.

GO AHEAD SPEAKER, GO AHEAD.

SPEAKER.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE THERE? ALRIGHT.

I'M NOT HEARING ANYBODY.

UH, SO VERONICA LET'S PLOT.

OKAY.

NEXT, UH, AREA CODE (714) 365-1097.

GO AHEAD AND SPEAKER, GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

YEAH.

GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS RENEE JIMINEZ, R E N E J I M E N E Z.

AND I LIVE ON SEVEN 40 SOUTH EUCLID STREET.

UM, I AM NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT TIED CLIMATE MITIGATE CLIMATE CHANGE MITIGATION PROJECT.

10 MINUTES.

I'M VERY SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, SIR.

BUT THIS, THIS PART OF THE HEARING IS RESERVED EXCLUSIVELY FOR THOSE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT.

SO IF YOU'RE, YEAH, I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION, WHEN WE OPENED

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THAT PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, THAT WOULD BE THE TIME TO, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND.

YES, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

SORRY.

THANK YOU.

UH, VERONICA, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE MINDY GREENBERG.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? YES, WE CAN.

MY NAME IS MINDY GREENBERG.

I LIVE IN OXNARD AND, UM, I'D LIKE TO STRONGLY, UM, SHARE, UM, MY OPINION THAT THIS PROJECT SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.

WE ARE IN A SEVERE HOUSING SHORTAGE IN CALIFORNIA AND, UM, YOU KNOW, NOW IS JUST NOT THE TIME TO SAY NO TO HOUSING PROJECTS.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN A LOT OF CASES, UM, PEOPLE WILL GIVE ARGUMENTS THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T FIT IN WITH THE CULTURE OF THE COMMUNITY OR, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT ARCHITECTURALLY.

UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, INSERT, INSERT X AND IN THIS SITUATION, UM, THERE'S JUST REALLY NO REASON TO SAY NO, IT FITS IN BEAUTIFULLY WITH THE COMMUNITY.

AND I URGE YOU, UM, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME WHERE WE'RE HEADING INTO A RECESSION TO, UM, APPROVE THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU, MS. GREENBERG.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL TRY, UH, (562) 694-1044.

GO AHEAD.

SPEAKER AVENUE.

EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, MISSED, UH, IS THERE SOMEONE IN STAFF WHO MIGHT WANT TO EXPLAIN TO THE SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE A COMMISSIONERS AND, UH, OTHERS WHO MAY NOT BE ABLE TO SPEAK SPANISH? OKAY.

I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO DO MY BEST IN ENGLAND.

OKAY.

MY NAME IS .

I'M JUST HEARING, HEARING IN HAVRE FOR 13 YEARS.

UH, I DEFINITELY APPROVE THE RANCHO LA HABRA, BC, A BEAUTIFUL PLACE.

I GROW UP MY KIDS.

UM, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE ARE GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM AND FOR OTHERS LIKE THEM TO BE THE FUTURE, THE FUTURE.

AND YOU KNOW, HE IS, I'M GONNA SPEAK TO WEDDINGS, BUT I STILL SAY TO THE MINUTE BY THE FINISH, I AM FAVOR FOR THIS PROJECT.

OKAY.

MR. RODRIGUEZ, I JUST LIKE TO ADD TO THIS RECORD AS PART OF THIS COMMENT THAT I THINK IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT THOSE CITY AND THAT THIS COMMISSION HAS NOT MADE TRANSLATION SERVICES AVAILABLE, SO THAT PARTICIPATING IN THIS PUBLIC PROCESS IS ACCEPTABLE.

YOU BROUGHT HER COMMENT, PLEASE.

ALRIGHT.

AND, UH, IF YOU CAN STILL HEAR ME HERSELF AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM PHONE NUMBER (562) 233-5269.

GO AHEAD SPEAKER, GO AHEAD.

AND SPEAKER CALL.

ARE YOU WITH US? THAT IS IT FOUR SPEAKERS IN FAVOR? OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

NOW IS THE TIME FOR ANYONE WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE NOW AND WAIT TO BE RECOGNIZED.

AND YOU KNOW, THE PROTOCOL I WOULD HOPE BY NOW AND THAT'S TO SPOUSAL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND YOUR PLACE OF RESIDENCE.

SO AT THAT, WOULD YOU PLEASE GIVE US OUR FIRST SPEAKER? THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE, JESSICA IS HI.

HI, MY NAME IS JESSICA IS SKEDDA FIRST NAME J E S S I C A LAST NAME S E S Q U E D A.

I LIVE AT FIVE 30 CHESTNUT STREET HERE IN LA HABRA, AND I WANTED TO MAKE THREE POINTS IN OPPOSITION, JUST FOR CONSIDERATION FOR THE COMMISSION, THE FIRST ONE BEING SCHOOLS AND EDUCATION.

SO I KNOW THAT WE WERE PRESENTED A FEW FACTS STATING THAT WHAT THE INCREASE IN RESIDENTS WOULD ALSO BE INCREASED IN OF ENROLLMENT OF STUDENTS IN SCHOOLS.

I JUST WANT THE COMMISSION TO CONSIDER THAT DURING THESE

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UNCERTAIN TIMES THAT ENROLLMENT OF STUDENTS WOULD PUT A LOT OF STRESS ON OUR EDUCATORS ONLY BECAUSE OF THE VIRTUAL LEARNING AND HYBRID LEARNING.

ALTHOUGH THESE STUDENTS WOULDN'T NECESSARILY BE ENROLLING ANY TIME SOON AS WE TRANSITIONED TO POSSIBLY REOPENING SCHOOLS OR MOVING INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, FURTHER VIRTUAL LEARNING AND HYBRID LEARNING.

I WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY OF LAHABRA WOULD BE PROVIDING RESOURCES TO OUR EDUCATORS AND OUR SCHOOL IS THAT HAS BEEN A CONSIDERATION AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.

THE SECOND POINT WOULD BE WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND LAW ENFORCEMENT.

CURRENTLY THE, UM, POLICE DEPARTMENT REQUIRES A MINIMUM OF FOUR OFFICERS ON PATROL EVERY DAY WITH OUR RESIDENTS BEING AT ABOUT 62,000.

THAT MEANS THAT EACH PATROL OFFICER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR 15,000 LIVES EVERY SINGLE DAY.

UM, WITH AN INCREASE OF THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS AND HOUSING THAT WOULD ONLY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF LIVES THAT THESE PATROL OFFICERS ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR.

AND ALTHOUGH THESE RESIDENTS NOT, I AM NOT MEANING THAT THEY WOULD BRING IN CRIME.

THAT WOULD JUST MEAN THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT WOULD NEED THE FUNDING AND RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO, UM, PROPERLY INCORRECTLY PATROL OUR CITY AND KEEP US SAFE.

SO THAT SHOULD BE A SECOND CONSIDERATION IF THIS HOUSING PROJECT MOVES MOVES FORWARD.

AND THIRD IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST ARGUMENTS IN OPPOSITION IS DUE TO TRAFFIC AND GREENHOUSE GASES.

SO I JUST WANT TO ASK THE COMMISSION OR JUST PUT IT OUT THERE.

IF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION HAS AT ALL BEEN A CONSIDERATION.

UM, I, MYSELF AM A COMMUTER ALL THE WAY TO DOWNTOWN LA AND I ACTUALLY USE THE FULLERTON METRO LINK CENTER.

SO I DRIVE TO THE FULLERTON TRAIN STATION AND THEN COMMUTE TO DOWNTOWN LA.

AND I'VE FOUND THAT LIVING IN LA HABRA FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, IT IS QUITE DIFFICULT TO FIND ANY TYPE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION ROUTE THAT WOULD TAKE ME TO ANY MIRROR GIANT, UM, OR LARGE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION HUB.

SO IF IT'S A CONSIDERATION OF THE CITY, IF THAT HAS BEEN CONSIDERED AT ALL THAT WITH THE INCREASE OF RESIDENTS AND HOUSING AT RANCHO LA HABRA, IF ANY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION WOULD BE CONSIDERED TO EASE THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC OR BE SOMETHING TO BRING IN, UM, MILLENNIALS, OR AS WE'VE BEEN SAYING, WE'RE TRYING TO BRING IN YOUNGER HOME BUYERS OR PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY TRYING TO GROW THEIR FAMILIES HERE FOR THAT TO BE A CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MRS. KARA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VERONICA.

I'M SORRY.

I MEANT TO ASK YOU EARLIER, IS THERE ANY INDICATION OF HOW MANY HANDS ARE UP JUST FOR FUTURE PLANNING PURPOSES? THAT WAS THAT, THAT WAS A NOTE OF THE STIGMA THAT MAYBE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SEE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN, THERE ARE 12 12TH.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM, UH, ALARA LET ME HAVE YOU, YOU OKAY, GO AHEAD.

YES, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS LAURA RIOS, L A U R A R I O S.

I LIVE AT 1310 WEST LAMBERT ROAD IN LA HABRA.

I HAVE SEVERAL TO SHARE WITH YOU.

UM, I ALSO THINK IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT THERE WERE ONLY TWO PEOPLE THAT WERE IN FAVOR THAT WERE ACTUAL LA RESIDENTS.

THAT WAS VERY INTERESTING.

UM, SO I WANTED TO ALSO ADDRESS THESE CONCERNS.

UM, I DON'T FEEL THAT THIS COMMUNITY IS THE RIGHT COMMUNITY.

UM, I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO HAVE TO CREATE, UM, 803 NEW RESIDENCES, BUT WITH THIS PARTICULAR HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, IT ONLY ADDRESSES THE ABOVE MODERATE.

WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER THREE CATEGORIES? AND THIS $1 MILLION DONATION TO AFFORDABILITY.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

YOU CAN'T EVEN BUY TWO HOMES IN LAHABRA FOR THAT, LET ALONE, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED PLUS AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS.

IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

SO THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S DISGRACEFUL THAT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO GET $1 MILLION DONATION TO THAT.

UM, I ALSO WANT TO SHARE THAT THIS PUBLIC PARK AREA, THAT MICHELLE MENTIONED THIS HIGHLY TOXIC SOIL.

SO WE REALLY WANT OUR FAMILIES AND OUR CHILDREN TO PLAY THERE.

THAT'S DISGRACEFUL.

AND IT'S BEEN FLAGGED BY WAY THAT THIS IS CANCEROUS MATERIALS THAT CAN BE HAZARDOUS TO ONE'S HEALTH INGESTED OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DRINKING THE WATER.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE IDEA TO, TO, TO WANT CHILDREN TO PLAY IN TOXIC SOIL.

I MEAN, WOULD YOU WANT THEM TO PLAY WITH OIL? CAUSE THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS TRAFFIC ISSUE, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO LAHABRA ALVAREZ, WORST TRAFFIC ZONE AREAS EVER.

THEY'RE IMPERIAL AND IDAHO, BUT MORE EXPLICITLY IT'S THE IMPERIAL AND BEACH EVER SINCE THAT VALENTIA AREA WAS DEVELOPED, OH MY GOD, HOW'S THAT BEEN A NIGHTMARE? IT'S MADE BEACH BOULEVARD FEEL LIKE THE FOUR OH FIVE FREEWAY ON A FRIDAY

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AFTERNOON PRE COVID.

THAT'S GOING TO BE EXACERBATED EVEN MORE FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME WHO LIVE ON THIS SIDE OF TOWN.

IT'S JUST, IT'S GOING TO BE HORRIBLE.

I IT'S GOING TO BE A NIGHTMARE FOR SOMEBODY LIKE ME.

I'M TOTALLY TOTALLY AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE REVAMPED.

I THINK IT SHOULD INCLUDE, UM, ACTUAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS INSTEAD OF THIS CHUMP CHANGE $1 MILLION DONATION.

IF YOU REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS THE HOUSING CONCERNS, THEN YOU WOULD DEMAND THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS BE PART OF THIS INSTEAD OF JUST A FEW DOLLARS.

CAUSE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE LAST COMMUNITY AND WHAT HAPPENED.

WHERE'S THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MS. RHIANNA'S.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM JIMMY.

ANDREOLI GO AHEAD.

SPEAKER.

YES.

GOOD EVENING.

PLANNING, COMMISSIONERS AND CHAIR.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO ME.

ANDREA LEE, J I M M Y A N D R E O L.

I LIVE AT 1009 NORTH CYPRESS STREET IN THE CITY OF LAHABRA.

UM, FIRST I WANT TO SAY I FIND IT INCREDIBLY OFFENSIVE, BUT THE DEVELOPER CAN SIT THERE AND TELL US THAT HE SPEAKS ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF LAHABRA.

HE CERTAINLY DOESN'T.

HE CERTAINLY IS NOT A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA.

WE DO.

AND WE ARE HERE AND WE'RE STANDING AGAINST THIS.

UM, I'M ALSO NOT FROM THE NORTH, UH, WEST RIDGE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, WHICH SHE'S DATED, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OPPOSITION TO THIS.

I'M ALSO A LIFELONG RESIDENT HERE FROM LAHABRA FIRST AND FOREMOST, MORE HOMES EQUALS MORE TRAFFIC.

I'M NOT RELAXING PARK, YOU KNOW, NOT LITTLE COMFORTABLE NOOKS TO HANG OUT IN, BUT FRUSTRATING EXPERIENCES FOR ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY THOSE OF US WHO HAVE TO TRAVEL FROM ONE SIDE, A LITTLE HOVER TO THE OTHER.

UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT FUN.

IT'S NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP THAT.

IN FACT, IT'S GOING TO HURT IT.

MORE HOMES AT HIGHER COSTS WILL NOT ADDRESS THE HOUSING CRISIS HERE IN LAHABRA.

YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A PROJECT TO HELP GET MORE HOMES HERE WHEN THEY'RE ALL JUST GOING TO BE REALLY EXPENSIVE HOMES.

I'M SURE THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY NICE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO NOT BE AFFORDABLE FOR THE CITIZENS HERE.

UM, I REALLY URGE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REALLY THINK TWICE ABOUT THIS AND STAND UP FOR THE PEOPLE OF LAHABRA RATHER THAN THE DEVELOPERS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. ANDREW ALI, WE APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

TELEPHONE (714) 365-1097.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M BACK.

YEAH.

MY NAME IS RENEE, R E N E.

LAST NAME JIMENEZ, J I M E N E Z.

AND I LIVE ON SEVEN 40 SOUTH EUCLID STREET, BARBARA.

UM, I THINK WE ALL DID GREAT POINTS ON THE CFD, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AT THE PARK.

UM, BUT I, I DID HAVE A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY TO, UH, THE DEVELOPER OR ANYONE THAT CAN ANSWER.

IT REALLY DOES THE 2.71 PARK ACRES PER 1000 FIGURE ACCOUNT FOR ITS FROM THE CURRENT TOTAL POPULATION OR PARENTHESES.

RIGHT? IF LET'S SAY THE HOUSING COMPLEX IS BILL, IS IT ALSO ACCOUNTING FOR THAT NEW ADDED POPULATION AS WELL? MR. JIMENEZ, I'M VERY SORRY.

BUT UNFORTUNATELY, IN, IN, IN THIS FRAMEWORK, AT THIS POINT IN TIME DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN'T, UH, GET INTO THE QUESTION AND ANSWER EXCHANGES.

I'M VERY SORRY, BUT I KNOW THAT STAFF WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PROVIDE HER THAT INFORMATION, UH, AFTER THE MEETING IN SOME WAY, IF YOU'D REACH OUT TO THEM, BUT AGAIN, WE CAN'T HAVE, UH, THE BACK AND FORTH Q AND A AT THIS POINT.

SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU CONTINUE TO VOICE YOUR OPINION TO YOUR SATISFACTION.

SOUNDS GREAT.

THANKS.

I JUST EVERYONE'S RADAR.

UM, LAST WEEK TO TIED THIS PROJECT TO A MITIGATION IS PREPOSTEROUS, RIGHT? WE'RE WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THEIR INVESTMENT INTO THIS IT'S TOTALLY THEY'RE BEING BUILT ONLINE.

IT COULD BE BETTER UTILIZED.

SO I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ALSO VOICE MY DISAPPROVAL WITH THIS PLAN AND, UH, AND THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR WORK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. JIMENEZ.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM JOE FAUST.

GO AHEAD SPEAKER, GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

I BELIEVE IT'S MR. .

GO AHEAD, SIR.

ALL RIGHT.

I'M HEARING NO RESPONSE.

WE'RE ON.

OKAY.

LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT.

YES.

UM, I THINK WE

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MIGHT BE EXPERIENCING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES WITH SOME OF THE ZOOM CALLS RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU ARE ON THE PHONE TO WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE.

AND IF YOU'RE ON THE COMPUTER VIEWING THE ZOOM MEETING, THERE SHOULD BE AN ICON SOMEWHERE TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

IF YOU WANT TO HOVER OVER YOUR COMPUTER SCREEN, THERE'S THREE DOTS ON THERE AND THAT SHOULD SIGNAL, UM, THE ABILITY TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND SO I'M GOING TO PUT THAT OUT THERE FOR THE AUDIENCE AND SEE IF WE CAN, IF THAT RESOLVES THE TECHNICAL ISSUES.

OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

AND VERONICA, IF YOU DO REQUIRE THE PREVIOUSLY LINED UP SPEAKER, PLEASE, MR. FOUL STO, LET ME KNOW.

UM, OKAY.

I'M GOING TO HIT YOUR FAST IF YOU'RE THERE.

GO AHEAD.

I'M HERE.

AND I'VE BEEN HERE ALL EVENING.

OKAY, GO AHEAD, SIR.

UH, FIRST AND LAST NAME, PLEASE, IF YOU WOULD SIR, SPELLED OUT.

OKAY.

MY NAME IS JOE J O E S T.

ARE YOU HEARING ME NOW? YES, WE CAN.

OKAY.

I'VE BEEN HERE, THE WHOLE MEETING AND LISTENING.

OKAY.

UH, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

IT'S A PLEASURE FOR ME TO TALK WITH YOU TO START OUT WITH THE INDICATOR.

I'M A RESIDENT SIX OH ONE SANDALWOOD.

I HAVE A NEW LABA.

I'VE BEEN HERE.

I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE 50 YEARS AGO AND I'M STILL LIVING IN IT AS WE SPEAK.

UH, I HAVE A LITTLE PROBLEM TO SHARE WITH YOU, AND THAT IS THAT ALL.

AS A RESIDENT OF SANDALWOOD, I CHECKED WITH EIGHT OF MY NEIGHBORS TO FIND OUT IF THEY, I DID NOT RECEIVE ANY OFFICIAL NOTICE AND TO FIND OUT IF THEY DO.

AND NOW THERE'S EIGHT OF US.

I KNOW THAT DID NOT RECEIVE IT.

NOW.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK MR. MICHAEL, UH, PLATONIC AND MR. ANDREW HO BECAUSE THEY HAVE ALL ALONG, KEPT ME INFORMED OF WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT THERE WAS SOME GLITCH SOMEWHERE IN THE SYSTEM THAT SANDALWOOD AVENUE, PROBABLY THE MOST IMPACT THAT ARMENIA AND ADDITIONAL YOUR DRINKS TO THIS PROJECT WILL BE ON IDAHO OPPOSITE SIGN TO WHATEVER.

AND THAT STREET WITH ALL THE RESIDENTS WAS NOT APPARENTLY NOTIFIED OF THIS PUBLIC HEARING, BE THAT AS IT MAY, LIKE I SAID, I KNOW THAT WHAT WAS GOING ON, I TRACKED THIS THING FROM THE FIRST DAY YOU HELD THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.

AND SO MY OPINIONS ARE GOING TO BE PROFESSIONAL.

I'M NOT NECESSARILY PERSONALLY, UH, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHO I AM AND WHAT I'VE DONE.

I'VE OVER 50 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND PREPARED, AND YOUR REVIEW OVER 600 OF THESE EIR TYPE TRAFFIC STUDIES.

I WORKED IN THE GOVERNMENT SITE INITIALLY FOR 10 YEARS AT THE FEDERAL STATE AND LOCAL LEVELS.

AND THE LAST 40 YEARS I EDITED MY OWN BUSINESS AS A CONSULTANT TRAFFIC LEADS.

MOST OF MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AS A PRINCIPAL OF THE FIRM.

AUSTIN VOWS ASSOCIATES ARE PROVIDED THESE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING SERVICES TO ME, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA CITIES, INCLUDING THE CITY OF HARBOR.

UH, I WORKED AS A CONSULTANT WITH THE CITY FOR OVER 10 YEARS BEFORE I RETIRED ALL.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT FOR THE 30 YEARS, EXCUSE ME, 50 YEARS.

I INTEND TO KEEP THESE COMMENTS PROFESSIONAL RATHER THAN PERSONALLY.

NOW IT'S GOING TO BE LINKEDIN.

I PROVIDED, AND I HOPE YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.

UH, COPIES OF MY SIX PAGES OF COMMENTS AND MR. HO INDICATED THEY WILL BE DISTRIBUTED AHEAD OF TIME TO THE PLANNING FINISHES THESE SIX PAGES.

I REHEARSED THEM AND THEY TAKE ME 30 MINUTES TO GET THROUGH ON THE, UH, UNDERSTANDING THE LATENESS.

I'M GONNA TRY TO SKIP THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT ON THE UNDERSTANDING OF HER, IF YOU'LL AGREE THAT YOU WILL READ THESE, UH, COMMENTS IN THE SIX PAGE MEMO THAT MR. INTERRUPT JUST FOR A SECOND.

I WANT TO ASSURE YOU THAT I RECOGNIZED YOUR NAME WHEN YOU FIRST ENTERED THE QUEUE,

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BECAUSE ALL OF US RECEIVED YOUR COMMENTARY AND EVERY ONE OF US, UH, READ IT VERY CLOSELY.

SO, I MEAN, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THERE MAY NOT BE THIS COMPULSION TO NECESSARILY REPEAT EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT OF THAT, BECAUSE AGAIN, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT ALL FIVE OF US READ EVERY WORD OF YOUR LETTER, BUT PLEASE CONTINUE MR. CHAIRMAN.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT AND THE LATENESS OF THE HOUR, UM, IF YOU READ THAT, THEN I'M GOING TO MAKE THE POINT AND GET THROUGH THIS VERY QUICKLY.

MY COMMENTS ON RESPONDING TO THE EIR, HIS RESPONSE TO MY COMMENTS AND THE EIR, HIS RESPONSE TO COMMENTS HAVE 22 RESPONSES, AND THEY'RE NOT SHORT RESPONSES.

THAT'S HOW THE SIX PAGES CAN BECOME 30 MINUTES OR MORE.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WILL DO IS TRY TO, I AM TRYING TO MAKE A SINGLE POINT.

THE EIR INDICATES THAT I AM WRONG IN SAYING THAT LLS CANNOT BE USED TO IDENTIFY A TRAFFIC INBOX.

THE REALITY OF THIS IS THAT THE USE OF ALL US WAS RENDERED.

BOY, WHEN THE NATURAL RESOURCES ADMINISTRATION CERTIFIED SBA SEVEN 43, ONE DECEMBER 28, 2018, THIS WAS LATER VERIFIED BY THE THIRD DISTRICT COURT OF APPEALS IN NOVEMBER OF 2019.

SOME OF SB SEVEN 43 IS PROSPECTIVE WITH REGARDS TO ITS EFFECTIVE DATE OF JULY 1ST, 2020, HOWEVER PROVISIONS, WHICH ELIMINATES THE USE OF LLS ARE NOT PROSPECTIVE.

AND THEY BECAME EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY UPON NRA CERTIFICATION.

AFTER DECEMBER, 2018, LOS LEVEL OF SERVICE IS NO LONGER AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.

ONE OF THE CITY'S TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS, ERIN PEARS, WHO IS REGARDED AS AN EXPERT IN BNP, WAS WORKING WITH THE CITY TO DEVELOP YOUR OWN PROCEDURES.

THEY WARNED THAT LLS WAS NO LONGER USED OR SEE HIM OR SEEK, BUT AFTER DECEMBER WHEN HE 18 SB SEVEN 43 DOES TWO THINGS.

FIRST, IT SPECIFIES THAT LOS IS NO LONGER A VALID OR SEATBELT.

SECOND, IT IS PERSPECTIVE.

AND THAT SOME OF THE CHANGES DID NOT TAKE A TAKE EFFECT UNTIL JULY 1ST.

SO AT THIS POINT, LLS IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE JULY DEADLINE.

IT'S THE USE OF BMT, WHICH IS ITS REPLACEMENT WAS NOT REQUIRED UNTIL JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR.

THIS MEANS THAT EIR CIRCULATED BETWEEN THOSE DAYS CANNOT USE LLS, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO PUT A BMT.

THE SPRAY.

IT'S A BIG PROBLEM WITH SEQUEL GRAPHICALLY.

SO THAT IS MY MAIN POINT IS THAT THE EIR IS USING A NOW AS THE CALIFORNIA COURTS CLAIMED IT A MOOT METHODOLOGY.

I SEE YOU OR TRAFFIC DELAY AS THE BASIS FOR DETERMINING WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS WOULD BE.

AND THIS METHODOLOGY IS NO LONGER VALID IN, IN SEQUEL.

NOW I CAN GO ON WITH, WITH, UH, UH, 21 OTHER POINTS TO MAKE, BUT THAT'S MY MAIN POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE TO YOU.

THAT IN FACT, I'M TELLING YOU THAT THE BASIS UPON WHICH THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE, AND I'VE CALLED THIS OUT WITH THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, AS WELL AS THE PARTIALLY RESEARCH-RELATED DOCUMENT THAT WE KNOW THAT LOS CAN NOT BE USED FOR SECRET PURPOSES.

NOW, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LOT MORE THAN I'D LIKE TO TELL YOU.

AND I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE OVERALL QUALITY OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT THE MAIN POINT IS THEY DO SIMPLY DID NOT USE A LEGITIMATE, LIKE A RECOGNIZED METHODOLOGY TO DETERMINE WHAT WE REALLY APPRECIATE RECEIVING YOUR DETAILED CORRESPONDENCE.

THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF EXPERTISE REFLECTED IN WHAT YOU SENT TO THE COMMISSION.

AND WE AGAIN READ IT VERY CAREFULLY AND WE ALSO APPRECIATE YOUR ADDITIONAL INPUT TONIGHT.

SO WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW WE'RE, WE'RE THANKFUL FOR THAT.

WELL, I GUESS I WAS A LITTLE AWKWARD.

YOU PUNCHING THE RIGHT BUTTONS TO GET TO TALK TO YOU, BUT IT'S A PLEASURE ON MY PART TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, DARREN.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS, MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. FOULS, CAN I ASK YOU HOW MANY HOURS DID YOU PUT IN INTO THIS, UH, PROPOSAL THAT YOU MADE ABOUT THE TRAFFIC? WELL,

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I PUT IN, I ESTIMATE OVER 206 YEARS, AND THEN TO DO A THOROUGH JOB, I'VE BEEN PRETTY CURL, BUT TO DO A COMPLETE JOB AND UNDERSTANDING JUST THE TRAFFIC PART OF IT ALONE, THERE'S 10 PAGES HERE.

THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS ABOUT 3000 OF THEM.

I PUT IN 260 HOURS.

AT LEAST THAT'S A CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.

I WOULD SAY THAT YOU DO A THOROUGH JOB.

ONE I WOULD LIKE TO DO.

I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE THAT TIME TO REALLY GET INTO EVERYTHING I SEE.

BUT 200 THAT'S A LOT OF TIME.

THAT'S ABOUT AS MUCH TIME AS I PUT IN A READING IN THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.

UM, MY OTHER QUESTION IS I SAW THAT YOU MADE SEVERAL TRIPS TO THE GOLF COURSE.

HOW MANY TRIPS DID YOU MAKE UP THERE TO COUNT CARS AND EVALUATE TROPICS? WHAT WOULD YOU HEAR? 50 TRIPS, THE GOLF COURSE BY THE SAM'S CLUB GAS STATION, AND THAT'S WHERE I DANCE.

UM, SO EVERY TIME I'VE ASKED FOR THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF OR SO, I W I WOULD DRIVE THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AT, UH, WEST RIDGE AND COUNT THE CARS.

THEY AVERAGE JUST UNDER A HUNDRED CARDS AT 11 TO 12.

AND THAT'S JUST ONE POINT IN TIME.

SO WHAT IT'S TELLING ME IS THAT THIS PROJECT, THIS GOLF COURSE IS ACTUALLY DOING QUITE WELL.

IN FACT, UH, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THE THEN MANAGER OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE GOLF COURSE WAS DOING GREAT.

SO NOT APOLLO.

IT IS TRUE THAT GOLF HAS TAKEN A DIP OVERALL IN THE COUNTRY, UH, BASED ON MANY OBSERVATIONS OF THE PARKING LOT IN POUNDS.

AND I'LL PROVIDE YOU THAT DATA ON AN ENGINEER.

I KEEP ALL THE DATA, UH, IT'S THE PARKING LOTS HAVE CALL ALL OF THE TIME.

YES.

AND I HAVE A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.

YOU MENTIONED THE SANDALWOOD AND EUCLID CORNER.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR TO ME THE SANDAL WOOD IN WHICH YOU PLUG IN SANDALWOOD, UH, WHILE THE PROJECT ENTRANCE WILL BE AT SANDALWOOD IN IDAHO, THE OTHER IN THE SANDALWOOD STREET IS YOU COULD HAVE, UM, UM, SIGN THE WORLD AND THAT'S A, UH, UH, KIND OF A CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.

SANDALWOOD IS KIND OF A CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC FOR ALL THE CONGESTION THAT OCCURS ON IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.

A COUPLE OF THE SPEAKERS REFERRED TO THAT.

AND, UH, I CAN'T, I INDICATED I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE TRAFFIC IS GOING DOWN AS THE EIR SAYS ON IMPERIAL BEACH.

I'VE DRIVEN IT EVERY DAY FOR 50 YEARS.

AND ALTHOUGH THE VARYING, THIS PANDEMIC, W I HAVE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION, THAT'S NOT TYPICAL OF WHAT IT'S BEEN THE LAST THREE YEARS, UH, AS FAR AS THE INTERSECTION OF SANDALWOOD AND, UH, EUCLID AGAIN, THAT IS SENDELL AND IS USED BY THE TRAFFIC, THE SCHOOL TRAFFIC TO GET TO IMPERIAL AND THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.

SO IT'S, IT'S HEAVILY CONGESTED, YOU KNOW, IN THE MORNING WHEN YOU GO TO SCHOOL IN THE EVENING WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY'RE PICKED UP.

SO THAT'S, MY MAIN REFERENCE WAS REALLY DONE.

THE PROJECT IS PROPOSING ONE OF ITS ENTRANCES DIRECTLY OPPOSITE SANDALWOOD AVENUE AND IDAHO.

YEAH.

YEAH.

AND THEN IN YOUR, UH, UM, IN YOUR DOCUMENT TWO, IT STATES THAT THERE'S TWO STREETS THAT ARE, UM, SAID TO BE CODA SACHS.

WHAT ARE THOSE STREETS AGAIN? WELL, IF YOU JUST LOOK AT, UM, UH, THERE'S, WHOA, WHOA, WHERE'S THE WALNUT, ALL OF THOSE GRAPES.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN GET OUT ON, UM, THERE'S A SIGNAL AT MONTH WOOD, AND THERE'S THE INTERSECTION AT THE SANDALWOOD WHERE YOU CAN GET OUT OR INTO THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY INDICATED THAT THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD GET IN AND OUT OF WHAT I THINK IS YOUR AREA.

I DON'T THINK YOU LIVE DOWN THERE.

YOU, THE TRAFFIC STUDY ADDRESS YOUR STREET AS A OF SITE, AND YOU PRINT OUT THE WAY YOU DO NOW.

YES, PACKWOOD IS DEFINITELY NOT A CODE OSAC AND WALNUT IS DEFINITELY NOT A CODE OSAC, THERE'S DEFINITELY TRAFFIC.

THAT'S GOING TO RUN STRAIGHT THROUGH THE STREETS.

PERFECT.

AND THAT'S ACKNOWLEDGED.

AND IN FACT, UH, UM, THE EIR, UM, CLAIMS THAT THE CAPACITY OF SANDRA OR ANY RESIDENTIAL STREET, YOURS IS 6,000 HOURS.

THAT'S RIDICULOUS.

UH, THE CITY HAS A NEIGHBORHOOD TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PROGRAM, TRAFFIC CALMING.

WE CALL

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IT.

AND IF ANY STREET, ANY RESIDENTIAL STREET AT ANYTHING APPROACHING 6,000 CARS A DAY ON IT, THERE WOULD BE AN MTP S UM, TRAFFIC TELLING ME NEVER TO SLOW DOWN THAT TRAFFIC AND REDUCE THE VOLUME.

EXACTLY, EXACTLY.

AND, UM, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS.

I, YOU KNOW, I'VE READ THROUGH ALL OF IT SEVERAL TIMES OVER, I THINK YOU HAVE VERY VALID POINTS TO THE TRAFFIC, AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN CALTRANS AND NEIGHBORING CITIES.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? YES.

THIS IS, UH, UM, THE MITIGATION WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE.

IT'S BASED ON, ON THE, UH, THE USE OF OUR, WHICH I SAID IS MY MAIN POINT IS NO LONGER VALID, BUT EVEN THE MITIGATION, IF YOU DISREGARD THAT AND SAY, OKAY, THESE OTHER INTERSECTIONS, CALTRANS INTERSECTIONS, AND SOME OF THOSE WITH FULLERTON, WITH THE WIND PARK, AND HE WAS LONG RUN ARE IMPACTED THAT BIR SHOULD, AS THE CITY OF OMAHA, LAHABRA HAS NO AGREEMENT WITH THOSE CITIES TO USE THE MITIGATION.

SO ESSENTIALLY THAT IT'S THIS DECLARED THAT THE SIGMA DECLARES THAT I KNOW UNMITIGATED IMPACT BECAUSE THERE'S NO AGREEMENT IN THE CITY OF HALL CANNOT ENSURE THAT THOSE MITIGATIONS WILL BE IMPLEMENTED.

AND IT'S ON THE SAME, UM, THAT IT'S OFFENSIVE.

ESSENTIALLY THE MITIGATION DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AN AGREEMENT.

AND SO THE WAY THINGS NORMALLY WORK IS THAT THE, THE DEVELOPER WHO WOULD, WOULD HAVE PUT UP MONEY FOR THAT, IT WOULD BE FORFEITED AND JUST RETURNED TO HIM.

WE NEED A CITY'S PANTRY REACH AN AGREEMENT.

I PROVIDED SOME ALTERNATIVE BREATHING METHODS TO AVOID THAT.

BUT RIGHT NOW THAT THE SIGMA EIR SIMPLY SAYS THAT SINCE THERE ARE NO AGREEMENTS, THEN THESE MITIGATIONS ARE JUST SPORT.

SO EXCELLENT.

I CALL IT A FREE RIDE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WILL THERE BE UNFORESEEN, UM, UH, COSTS TO THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS BECAUSE OF THIS? YES.

I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO THAT THE PROJECT PROPONENTS HAD CIRCULATED MAYBE A FINANCIAL REPORT THAT SAYS STARTED OUT OF THE NAVY.

AND NOW THE GEN CITY'S GENERAL FUND WILL BE INCREASED BY A MILLION OR 1,000,002 FOR YOU.

THAT'S FINE.

I DON'T ARGUE THAT POINT, BUT I DO ARGUE IS THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK AT INDIVIDUAL COSTS FOR THE CITY WILL BE THOSE COSTS THAT MAY BE AT LEAST A MILLION OR MORE.

AND SO THIS PROJECT DOES NOT, WILL NOT RESOLVE ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND.

IT IS MORE LIKELY TO RESULT IN A DEFICIT AND THAT SHOULDN'T SURPRISE ANYBODY BECAUSE NATIONALLY, AND THEN CERTAINLY IN CALIFORNIA, SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING DOES NOT PAY FOR ITSELF.

IT RELIES ON THE ADJACENT OR COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY TO PAY THE COSTS THAT INCREASE PLEASE FIRE, UM, EVEN WATER.

THE CITY IS IN THE WATER BUSINESS.

THE CLAIM IS THAT WHILE WE ARE GOING TO SAY A LOT OF WATER, WELL, THAT'S ALSO GOING TO COST THE CITY A REVENUE.

SO THAT'S NOT EVEN INCLUDED.

SO BOTTOM LINE OF ALL OF THIS, AND THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT A FINANCIAL REPORT, IF IT'S GOING TO BE RELOADED, IT NEEDS TO BE PREPARED BY AN EXPERT, AND IT NEEDS TO INCLUDE THE CITY'S COSTS AS WELL AS THE REVENUE.

WONDERFUL.

AND MR. FALLIS, CAN YOU TELL US AGAIN, ONCE AGAIN, UH, YOUR BACKGROUND ONCE MORE? SO WE HAVE IT ON RECORD FOR SURE.

ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AND ALSO REGISTER TRAFFIC ENGINE.

UH, I SPENT THE FIRST 10 YEARS OUT OF GRADUATE SCHOOL WORKING FOR THREE LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THE STATE LEVEL, CALIFORNIA, AND THE SILVERWARE.

I WAS THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER FOR SAM.

AFTER THAT 10 YEARS, I'D USED TO GAIN EXPERIENCE.

I STARTED MY OWN CONSULTING FIRM, MOSTLY PASTA, THE CENTRAL CITY OF WALBROOK, WHICH WAS ONE OF MY CLIENTS UNTIL I RETIRED.

I WORKED FOR YOU GUYS FOR ABOUT YEARS BEFORE I RETIRED.

I WAS ONE OF THE ENGINEERS THAT DEVELOP THE STATEWIDE RECORD, RIGHT EXAMINATION OR TRAFFIC ENGINEERING, REGISTRATION, GRANDFATHER, REGISTRATION, PROFESSIONAL REGISTRATION PROCESS.

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I WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE ORANGE COUNTY TRAFFIC ENGINEERS, AND I'VE HAD A GOOD, SOLID 50 YEARS ALL IN TRAFFIC ENGINEERING.

THAT WAS MY FORTE.

THAT WAS MY CAREER.

AND THAT WAS MY REALLY APPRECIATED KNEELING BACK TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ALL RIGHT, MICHELLE.

THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. FOSS.

WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME AND ENERGY AND EFFORT WITH THIS NEXT FOLLOWUP.

PLEASE WANT TO HEAR FROM AREA CODE (714) 992-2028.

ALRIGHT, SPEAKER, GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

OH, RIGHT.

I'M ON EITHER.

NOW.

I'M JIM KRESS.

K R E S S 300 GLENWOOD IN LA HABRA.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR 62 YEARS.

I SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES HAPPEN IN THE HOPPER SINCE THEN.

AND I'M AGREEING WITH ALMOST EVERYBODY OUT THERE THAT THIS IS A NO GO A TRAFFIC FOR ONE THING IS LIKE THE PREVIOUS CALLER ADMITTED THAT SANDALWOOD IS JUST A CUT-THROUGH AND IT'S JUST, ANYWAYS, TRAFFIC IS TOO BAD ALREADY.

THERE'S UH, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN LA HABRA CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THE HOUSES THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD.

THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THE HOUSES OVER HERE.

AND I'LL START WITH, UH, THAT'S ABOUT MOSTLY WHAT I GOT TO SAY, I GUESS ABOUT IT JUST DON'T CARE FOR THE IDEA OF THE SIGNIFICANT IMPACT OF THE, ON THE INTERSECTIONS OF 3,132 STREET.

AND CAN, IT'S GOING TO BE IMPACTED IT'S BAD ENOUGH AS IT IS NOW.

PLUS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER COUPLE THOUSAND CARS ON THE ROAD.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE HEAR FROM BENJAMIN.

GO AHEAD.

SPEAK.

HELLO? HELLO.

HI.

SO THANKS FOR TAKING MY CALL.

I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN ON THE, PLEASE BE SO KIND AS JUST SPELL OUT YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME.

BENJAMIN B E N J A M I N.

LAST NAME S A N M OPENING STATEMENT IS THAT I APPRECIATE, UM, WHAT RESIDENTS SUCH AS JOE FOSS HAS DONE.

IT'S FACT-BASED WITH HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION, UH, BASE ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER MICHELLE VENEERS, HER STATEMENT AND QUESTION TO THE BUILDER.

UM, I KNOW WE CAN ASK THE QUESTION, BUT I'LL KEEP THIS SHORT.

UH, THE FIRST THING I HAVE IS R D UH, ALL OF THE COMMISSIONER WHO WILL VOTE ON THIS ARE HOMEOWNERS OF LA HABRA.

IF YOU GUYS KIND OF ANSWERED THAT, PLEASE GET BACK TO ME A LATER TIME.

AND, UH, THE FOLLOWUP QUESTION TO THAT IS IF OVERWHELMINGLY THE, THE COMMUNITY DISAGREE ON THIS, UH, PROJECT, WOULD THERE BE ALTERNATIVE FOR, TO A PUBLIC PUBLIC VOTE? UM, THE QUESTIONS.

SO THAT'S MY, MY QUESTIONS.

I'LL GO TO MY STATEMENT.

SO YOU GUYS CAN ANSWER THAT LATER ON, UH, YESTERDAY I HAVE EMAILED YOU GUYS REGARDING, UM, A FACT THAT I HAVE PULLED FROM CITY DATA, UM, THAT OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, PROPERTY CRIMES HAS BEEN INCREASING IN THE CITY OF LA BARBARA.

SO I AM NOT SURE WHETHER THAT IS, UM, UH, BECAUSE OF THE INCREASING AND RESIDENTS, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A CD TO FIND OUT, UH, ALONG WITH, UH, THE NEXT POINT IS THE, UH, TRAFFIC CONGESTION, PAR THING.

MANY OF US HAVE, UM, EXPRESSED OUR CONCERN ALREADY.

SO I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO IT.

UH, ONE THING I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAID IS THE OVERCROWDED FROM THE RETAIL CENTER.

MORE SPECIFICALLY, FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE COSTCO, I'VE BEEN HERE FIVE YEARS.

I OWN MULTIPLE HOMES IN THE CITY, AS I SEE A FIT TO LIVE HERE IN LA AND LONGTERM WITH MY KIDS AND MY WIFE.

AND THAT'S WHY I CONTINUED TO INVEST IN THE CITY.

UM, BUT GOING TO COSTCO THE LAST FEW YEARS, I HAVE, I HAVE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED THE OVERCROWDED ISSUES.

I'M IN FINANCE.

I DON'T HAVE A NINE TO FIVE JOB.

SO WHENEVER I GO THERE FROM THE REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS, I'LL CONSTANTLY FIND THAT ISSUE.

SO I'M ALSO ASSUMING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE RECENT DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY POPULATION EXPANSION.

UM, ANOTHER THING I'VE SPOKEN TO THE, UM, UM, UH, LAHABRA POLICE DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE, UH, CAR NOISES, UH, NIGHTTIME, IT SEEMS TO BE MORE FREQUENTLY AS WELL.

AND, UH, AGAIN, THAT IS A QUESTION I HAVE FOR YOU GUYS, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S DUE TO THE FACT OF POPULATION INCREASE, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE, UM,

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UM, AFFORDABLE HOME, UM, INITIAL, UH, UM, UH, PORTABLE HOME THAT LENORE HAS RE UH, PRESENTED ALLUDED EARLIER.

I JUST WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT, UH, COMING FROM A FINANCE BACKGROUND, I HAVE CALLIE THAT A BANK PROVIDE FINANCING TO THEM FROM WHAT WE KNOW AS A, AS A BANKERS, THAT FOR BUILDERS AND THE LAST, UH, FEW YEARS, IT'S ALWAYS MORE PROFITABLE FOR THEM TO LOOK TO, TO BUILD MORE LUXURY HOMES THAN AFFORDABLE HOMES.

SO, BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE IS A PUBLIC COMPANY, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR SHAREHOLDERS.

THEY'RE ULTIMATELY CARE MORE ABOUT THEIR BOTTOM LINE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

OF COURSE, THEY DO BUILD ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOMES, BUT I WANT TO, TO, TO, TO PUT ON RECORD THAT THE INTENTION.

SO BE A MORE LUXURY HOME.

IT'S MORE BENEFICIAL TO THE FIRM.

UM, AND THEN EARLIER ONE CALLER HAS MENTIONED THAT THE INDIVIDUALS HAVE, UH, YOU ALLUDED THE FACT THAT THEY ARE FOR THE PROJECT.

I FIND IT ODD THAT MAJORITY OF THEM AREN'T THE CITY RESIDENTS, IF NOT HOMEOWNERS.

SO THAT IS SOMETHING I WANT TO ASK IS, IS IT APPROPRIATE, UM, GOING TO THE PUBLIC PART THAT MICHELLE HAS MENTIONED ABOUT THE CONTAMINATION ISSUE, I WANT TO, TO, TO ALSO STAY THIS FACT THAT IF THAT LAND WAS TO BILL HOME, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME WITH ANY DEAL.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A HARD TIME TO GET APPROVED OR FINANCED BY THE BANK BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE.

SO FOR THE FACT THAT THEY DECIDED TO NOT BUILD ON THAT LAND AND THE COST CONVERT INTO SOMETHING ELSE THAT THE PUBLIC USE THAT IS A ISSUE THAT I'M NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THE CON CONTENT WILL, UM, HAVE, UM, A HEALTH EFFECT ON THE RESIDENT.

THAT'S ONLY TIME CAN TELL A STUDY CAN TEST SHOWED UP, BUT I'M STATING THE FACT THAT IF THEY WERE TO BUILD ON THAT LINE, THAT LAND, UH, THE BANK'S GOING TO HAVE A GREAT CONCERN TO GET THEM FINANCING.

UM, AND THEN LASTLY, THE, UH, PRESENTATION GIVEN BY MINNAAR WOULD THERE IN THE FUTURE, WOULD THERE BE A TIME LIMIT? CAUSE I FIND THAT TO BE A LOT OF, UM, UH, EXCESSIVE, UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T KNOW IF A LOT OF THE, THE, THE, THE STATEMENT THAT THE REPRESENTATIVE HAS STATED ARE FACT BASED RATHER THAN OPINION BASED.

UM, BUT WITH THAT, I, UM, APPRECIATE A TIME FOR ME TO SPEAK AND, UM, AND GOING TO CLOSELY FOLLOW THIS, UM, THIS PRODUCT.

ALL RIGHT, MR. SAM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR INPUT.

I KNOW YOU ASKED ABOUT FIVE OR SIX QUESTIONS, UNFORTUNATELY, THE FORMAT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, ISN'T SUCH THAT WE CAN ADDRESS THESE QUESTIONS ONE BY ONE, BUT I WOULD ASK YOU, PLEASE DO EMAIL ANY AND ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS TO A DIRECTOR HALL TO CITY STAFF, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT YOU'LL GET RESPONSES ON ALL THOSE ISSUES, BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM JOHN GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

I'M A, I'M A LAND USE LAWYER.

I DO REPRESENT SAVE LAHABRA.

WE DID WRITE A LETTER, BUT MY COMMENTS TONIGHT ARE JUST REAL QUICK, FIRST AND LAST NAME, IF YOU WOULD BE SO KIND.

YEAH, NO PROBLEM.

JOHN J O N LAST NAME SHARDLOW S H A R D L O W.

RIGHT WHERE WE'RE IN RECEIPT OF YOUR MR. CHARLOTTE, BUT GO AHEAD.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

YES, WE DID WRITE A LETTER.

I'M NOT GOING TO ADDRESS ANYTHING IN THAT LETTER TONIGHT.

UM, I, I, HOPEFULLY MY COMMENTS, UH, WILL COME OFF AS OBJECTIVE BECAUSE THEY ARE, UM, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR COMMENT LETTER, BUT SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, THE RENA, UH, OBLIGATIONS OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, THESE RENA SCARE TACTICS ARE QUITE LAUGHABLE.

UH, THE RENA ALLOCATION DOES NOT REQUIRE CITIES TO ALLOCATE OPEN SPACE TO RESIDENTIAL.

UH, WE, IF THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE ANY DISCRETION, WE WOULDN'T BE HERE TODAY.

OF COURSE, THE CITY GETS TO DETERMINE, UH, THE FUTURE GROWTH OF THEIR CITY, HOW FAST IT GROWS, WHERE PROPER, UM, HOUSING TRACKS SHOULD BE, UM, THE DENSITY AND SO FORTH.

YES.

YOU KNOW, SACRAMENTO HAS, UH, INITIATED LAWS THAT MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT.

UM, BUT NOT WITH RESPECT TO PROPERTY.

THAT IS, UM, THAT IS ZONED, UM, OPEN HOUSE.

UM, I DON'T WANT TO DEMEAN ANYONE'S QUALIFICATIONS HERE.

CLEARLY.

THERE'S A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, EDUCATED PEOPLE, BUT EVERYONE THAT'S TOLD YOU ABOUT RENA TODAY, UM, IS BASICALLY PRACTICING LAW WITHOUT, UM, WITHOUT A LAW DEGREE, UH, WITHOUT A LICENSE AND MR. STALL WHO CAME UP AND LECTURED THIS PLANNING COMMISSION ON, UH, WHAT IT, WHAT RINA MEANS.

AND, UH, AND IF YOU DON'T DO WHAT RENA

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SUPPOSEDLY MEANS THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S GOING TO SUE THE CITY, YOU KNOW, HE'S BEEN PRACTICING LAW IN CALIFORNIA, LESS THAN A YEAR AND A HALF.

SO, UM, I WOULD JUST LOOK AT, UM, ANY COMMENTS THAT SAYING YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE HERE.

YOU DON'T HAVE A DISCRETION.

DON'T LISTEN, LISTEN TO YOUR RESIDENTS, BE SCARED OF LITIGATION AS, UM, I, THEY SHOULD BE REJECTED AND LOOKED AT WITH A SKEPTICISM.

AND, YOU KNOW, UNFORTUNATELY THIS IS A PATTERN WITH, AS THE DEVELOPER OF THIS DEVELOPER ON THIS PROJECT ON THREE SEPARATE TIMES HAS THREATENED TO SUE THE CITY.

I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT.

UM, SO YOU KNOW, THE CASE THAT CITED A INDIAN SUNITA, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT, IT'S AGAINST THE RULES TO CITE.

UH, IT'S AN UNPUBLISHED CASE.

IT'S A TRIAL COURT DECISION IT'S COMPLETELY DISTINGUISHABLE.

AND SO, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THIS, UM, ARENA SCARE TACTICS, I WOULD HOPE THAT YOU WOULD GO BACK TO YOUR SPECIAL CITY ATTORNEY AND GET AN OBJECTIVE OPINION AND NOT LISTEN TO, UM, PEOPLE THAT QUITE FRANKLY, DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT OR WORDS DO KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT AND ARE TRYING TO SCARE, UH, THIS PLANNING COMMISSION FOR MAKING ITS OWN DECISION.

SO I WOULD JUST, UH, REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LISTENED TO THE RESIDENTS, ANALYZE THE IMPACTS THAT ARE, UH, INCLUDED IN THE EIR.

AND AGAIN, YOUR VOTE SHOULD BE ON THE MERITS AND NOT WITH A LITIGATION IN MIND.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. CHARLOTTE.

WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM, GO AHEAD SPEAKER, GO AHEAD.

SPEAKER.

ARE YOU THERE? SPEAKER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? HELLO? YES.

HELLO? YES, WE'RE HERE.

GO AHEAD.

THIS IS DR.

ED REICHS.

COULD YOU PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR US? E D R E I C K S.

YEAH.

I LIVE AT 1861 SOUTH FLOYD COURT IN LAHABRA AND WE ARE ONE OF THE ORIGINAL RESIDENTS.

WE WERE PHASED ONE.

I AM CALLING BECAUSE I AM OPPOSED TO THIS PROGRAM.

I WANT TO BEGIN BY THANKING COMMISSIONER EXCUSE ME, FOR HER VERY CONCISE PAYING ATTENTION.

IF NOTHING ELSE.

SHE SAID SOMETHING VERY IMPORTANT THAT I HOPE THAT WE ALL CARRY HOME AND I HOPE WE POUND ON HIM POUND ON AND POUND ON.

I BELIEVE SHE SAYS WE HAVE EIGHT TO NINE YEARS TO SOLVE THE EIGHT OH FOUR UNIT PROBLEM.

SO MY SUGGESTION IS THIS.

LET'S THINK ABOUT IT FOR SEVEN YEARS, AND THEN WE CAN TEAR THE PLACE UP.

IF WE TEAR THE PLACE UP.

NOW, WE CAN'T REBUILD IT IN SEVEN YEARS, SO LET'S SLOW THIS WHOLE DARN THING DOWN.

LET'S TAKE OUR TIME.

LET'S NOT ALL DINARS GREED.

GET TO US.

ALL RIGHT.

LET'S MAKE THE CORRECT DECISIONS.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO MAKE THAT A LITTLE COMMENT ABOUT THE ARGUMENT THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO SEE.

LITTLE JOHNNY HAND IN HAND WITH MOMMY GOING ACROSS THE LITTLE BRIDGE THAT BUILDS FOR THEM ACROSS THE CREEK IN THE PARK, YADA, YADA, I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IF THIS THING PASSES TODAY, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO SELL THE FIRST HOME FOR SIX YEARS, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM THAT LONG TO DESTROY THE GOLF COURSE.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM THAT LONG TO DIG UP THE OIL WELLS AND RECAP ON IT'S GONNA TAKE THEM THAT LONG TO BUILD THE HOUSES.

WELL, LITTLE EIGHT YEAR OLD JOHNNY WILL BE, HE'LL BE A FRESHMAN AT LAHABRA HIGH SCHOOL, AND HE'LL BE LOOKING FOR A MARY'S PHONE NUMBER, NOT MOMMY'S HAND TO WALK ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO PUT SOME REALITY INTO THIS.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE EVERYONE TO COME ON OVER AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE PARK THAT LENARA BUILT FOR US.

OKAY? CAUSE WE GOT A PARK TOO.

IT IS RIGHT ON THE CORNER OF IDAHO AND REASONER.

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IT IS SURROUNDED BY A GOALIE THAT OUR CHILDREN FALLING.

IT, IT IS ALSO RIGHT OFF OF IDAHO STREET WITH NO GATE OR NO FENCE.

IT ALL.

THERE'S NO TOYS, NO SWINGS, NO SLIDES.

CERTAINLY NO LITTLE WHITE PICKET NOT MEAN WHITE LITTLE BRIDGE FOR PEOPLE TO WALK ACROSS.

WE HAVE 400 HOUSES AND WE GOT THIS LITTLE SKIMPY PART.

DO YOU THINK THEY'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING, ANY DIFFERENT FOR THESE NEW HOMES? ALSO, I'D LIKE TO EVERYONE TO TAKE A LOOK AT OUR GUARD SHACKS, WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL GARDEN PACKS THAT THEY BUILT FOR US.

THEY'VE NEVER BEEN OPENED 21 YEARS.

THEY'VE BEEN LOCKED.

YOU KNOW WHY? CAUSE LENORE FORGOT TO PUT TOILETS IN THEM WITHOUT TOILETS.

THE CITY OF LA HABRA DOES NOT ALLOW THE GUARDS TO BE IN.

YES MA'AM.

AND WHEN WE HAVE SQUAT, WHEN WE ASKED THEM MENARD TO BUILD AND PUT IN PILOTS, WE WERE TOLD IT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR THEM TO COME BACK AND MAKE THAT CHANGE.

NOW, THIS IS WHO WE'RE DOING, DEALING WITH.

THESE GUYS ARE SHYSTERS.

I WOULD LIKE TO, AND BY TELLING YOU THE REAL REASON I CALLED I WAS COMING HOME TODAY FROM WORK.

I'M A CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST AND I WAS WEARING MY MASK.

NOT ONLY FOR COVID-19, BUT BECAUSE OF THE REALLY BAD ATMOSPHERE, BECAUSE OF THE FIRE, WE CAN'T BREATHE, WE JUST CAN'T BREATHE.

AND I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND I THOUGHT, WHAT MAKES OXYGEN? AND THE ANSWER WAS PHOTOSYNTHESIS.

AND WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM? AND THE ANSWER IS, AS YOU ALL LEARNED IN JUNIOR HIGH, IT COMES FROM GRASS AND IT COMES FROM TREES.

IT DOES NOT COME FROM EXHAUST PIPE, LIKE EXHAUST PIPES, MAKE CARBON EMISSIONS.

WE CAN'T BREATHE CARBON EMISSIONS.

DON'T BRING US 6,000 MORE CAR TRIPS, LEAVE OUR TREES AND OUR GRAPHS SO WE CAN BREATHE.

YOU WANT TO MAKE THINGS BETTER FOR OUR CHILDREN, LEAVES THE GRASS AND LEAVES THE TREES.

SO THE CHILDREN CAN BREED FOR ALL OF YOU THAT CALLED IN FOR THIS PROGRAM.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, VERONICA, CAN WE, UH, DO A REAL QUICK ASSESSMENT PAUSE FOR A SECOND.

CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THE QUEUE IS LOOKING? DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? WE HAVE 12 SPEAKERS ON HOLD, 12 SPEAKERS ON HOLD.

MY, UH, SUGGESTION TO MY COLLEAGUES IS TO TAKE THIS, UH, AT LEAST ANOTHER 15 MINUTES TO 10 45 TO ANOTHER ASSESSMENT AT THAT POINT.

AND IF WE STILL HAVE THE SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CALLERS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CALL IT A NIGHT.

BUT, UH, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION TO THAT, IT'S MY INTENTION TO CONTINUE UNTIL AT LEAST 10 45.

AND THEN WE WILL, RE-EXAMINE THE STATUS OF THE QUEUE AND HEARING NO IMMEDIATE OBJECTIONS TO THAT.

I WOULD THEN ASK FOR THE NEXT SPEAKER.

OKAY.

WE WILL HEAR FROM CHRISTINE COOK.

THANK YOU.

GO AHEAD, MS. COOK.

YES, WE CAN.

PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

I'M UH, UH, UM, HERE IN, I'M GOING TO SPEAK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE, UM, I'M ALSO INCORPORATING PARENTS LETTERS TOO, TO SAVE SOME TIME.

UM, MY DAD IS 86 YEARS OLD.

SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST, IF YOU WOULD FOR THE RECORD PLEASE.

YES.

MY NAME IS CHRISTINE COOK, C H R I S T I N E A LAST NAME COOK C O O K.

SO WE'RE JUST VOICING OUR OPINION THAT WE ARE AN OPPOSITION TO REZONING THE WEST RIDGE GOLF COURSE AND MORE HOMBRE.

MY FATHER IS 86 YEARS OLD AND HE CANNOT IMAGINE LIVING THE NEXT SIX YEARS IF HE HAS SIX YEARS OF HIS LIFE.

UM, WITH SIX DAYS A WEEK IN MISERY DURING THIS POSSIBLE CONSTRUCTION, LENORE WANTS TO MAKE MONEY WITH NO CARE TO THE CITIZENS OF LAHABRA LENARA WILL BE PASSING THE COSTS OF THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES, DISTRICT KNOWN AS MELLO ROOS TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

THEY BASICALLY WANT TO MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND WIPE THEIR HANDS AND WALK AWAY.

WE IN LA BRUH, DO NOT WANT TO HEAR, SEE, SMELL AND BE POLLUTED FOR TWO YEARS DURING SITE GRADING AND PREPARATION.

WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO HEAR AND SEE FOUR MORE YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION.

AFTER THAT,

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UH, WE LIVE ABOVE BEACH BOULEVARD IN THE WEST RIDGE COMMUNITY AND HAVE ENJOYED, UM, A BRIEF FOR THE PAST 20 YEARS.

ARE WE EXPECTED TO CLOSE OUR WINDOWS AND JUST RUN THE AIR CONDITIONING FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS? SHOULD WE PUT A COVER OVER OUR POOL AND JUST DRAIN IT SINCE IT WILL BE CONSTANTLY DIRTY? UM, AND OUR BACKYARD WILL BE BASICALLY A PLUME OF TOXIC AIR AND DIRT.

MANY OF US IN THE COMMUNITY WALK DAILY, AND I'M JUST NOT HOW SAFE THIS WILL BE.

IT'S NOT SAFE FOR THE WILDLIFE, THE GNAT CATCHER AND THE NOISE THAT THAT WILL BE GENERATED.

WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR THIRD ENTRANCE TO WESTBRIDGE.

WE CONSIDER THAT A SAFETY ISSUE.

MY FATHER HAS ALREADY BEEN IN A SEVERE TRAFFIC COLLISION AT BEACH IN HILLSBOROUGH.

SOMEONE RAN A LIGHT ON BEACH BOULEVARD AT 50 PLUS MILES PER HOUR, AND HIS CAR WAS TOTALED.

TWO PEOPLE IN THE CAR WERE INJURED LIVING ON MANGRUM COURT, ABOVE BEACH BOULEVARD.

WE FREQUENTLY HEAR CAR CRASHES AND CAR NOISE IN CAR RACING.

THERE IS NO PLAN MITIGATION TO THE SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC PROBLEMS THAT WE HAVE IN LAHABRA AND THE SURROUNDING AREAS.

UM, WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE SAFETY OF THE EXISTING HOMES ON MANGROVE COURT.

IN GENERAL, MOST OF THESE HOMES HAVE SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURAL ISSUES.

MOVING BACKYARDS CRACKS IN OUR HOMES.

WE'VE REPLACED OUR POOL PLASTER AND OUR BACKYARD FOUR TIMES PYLONS HAVE BEEN DRILLED THROUGH OUR HOMES TO STABILIZE THEM FROM SHIFTING AND BREAKING.

AND WE'RE CONCERNED THAT MOVING THE EARTH BELOW FOR CLEANUP DRAINAGE AND SEWERS MIGHT UNDERMINE THE POORLY DESIGNED SLOPES THAT OUR HOMES ARE BUILT ON.

OUR HOMELESS SITUATION IS SITUATED ON EXPANSIVE OIL, OIL DEPOSITS IN THE GROUND.

UM, EIGHT YEARS AFTER MOVING IN, WE HAD TO RETROFIT OUR BACKYARD TO THE COST OF $200,000 TO STABILIZE THE SOIL.

WE HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GOLF COURSE BECAME A GOLF COURSE DUE TO THE OIL DEPOSITS IN THE GROUND, AND THAT IT WAS NOT SUITABLE FOR THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AT THE TIME.

IT'S STILL NOT SUITABLE FOR BUILDING HOMES.

IF 20 FEET OF TOPSOIL MUST BE REMOVED, IS SOMETHING WRONG? CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY.

SORRY.

MY SCREEN JUST HAS DIFFERENT THINGS POPPING UP ON IT.

OKAY.

UM, OKAY.

OUR, UH, OUR SOIL IS SATURATED WITH WATER DUE TO THE OIL UNDERNEATH US.

IT'S CALLED A LIQUEFACTION ZONE.

OUR HOUSE HAS THE, OUR HOME AND THE SOIL HAS THE POTENTIAL AND EARTHQUAKE TO TURN INTO A MUDSLIDE.

WHAT MITIGATIONS ARE BEING TAKEN ARE BEING TAKEN FROM TO PREVENT THOSE FROM HAPPENING.

WE'RE VERY AFRAID THAT OUR HOME COULD END UP ON TOP OF ANOTHER HOME.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT, UM, I'M SORRY, W W OUR CURRENT RESOURCES IN THE CITY.

UM, LAHABRA HAD TWO DAYS A VERY HIGH HEAT ABOUT A WEEK AGO, AND SO MANY HOMES LOST POWER.

FIRST OF ALL, I FIND THIS UNACCEPTABLE, AND I'M JUST THINKING WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF THERE WERE 11 MORE HUNDRED HOMES IN THE AREA.

AND THE REASON WHY I MENTIONED 1100 HOMES IS BECAUSE THAT IS A WEST COYOTE HILLS IN FULLERTON, THEIR HOMES ADDED TO THE POSSIBILITY OF OUR HOME.

I ALREADY FEEL THAT WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH OUR WATER QUALITY IN LAHABRA.

AND, UM, I'M HONESTLY WONDERING WHY THE WATER DEPARTMENT CONSTANTLY HAS TO FLOW THE WATER OUT OF OUR FIRE HYDRANTS UP IN WESTRIDGE.

WE'VE HAD THE LOCAL WATER SUPPLIED BACKED UP INTO OUR POOL, AND IT BECAME GREEN INSTANTLY.

WE HAD TO DRAIN THE POOL.

WE ALREADY CAN ONLY WATER OUR BACKYARD TWO DAYS A WEEK.

UM, ALTHOUGH THE LETTERS MADE IT UP TO THREE DAYS A WEEK, THIS WEEK THAT I GOT IN THE MAIL.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUILD UNDER AN EARTHQUAKE FAULT.

WE ALL HAD SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO OUR HOMES.

SIX YEARS AGO, A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF DAMAGE.

UM, WE LIKE OUR QUIET LIFE MAHAMUDRA.

WE DON'T WANT LENARA TO GET AWAY WITH DESTROYING THE NATURAL WILDLIFE AND GETTING RID OF THE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS IS JUST TERRIBLE.

UM, I WANT TO REITERATE THE, THE PARK THAT, I GUESS IT MUST'VE BEEN WHOEVER THE HOME BUILDERS THAT BUILT FOR US WHEN, WHEN WESTBRIDGE WAS BUILT WAS,

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YOU KNOW, NINE ACRES.

AND IT'S CALLED THIS LITTLE VALLEY PARK ON THE, ON THE WEST RIDGE SIDE.

AND IT'S, IT'S JUST 9.7 ACRES OF NOTHING.

IT THERE, IT SAYS IT HAS A GAZEBO AND PATHS AND BENCHES, BUT IT'S REALLY UGLY AND IT'S NOTHING SPECIAL.

AND I JUST DON'T SEE THEM BUILDING ANYTHING MORE SPECIAL IN THE FUTURE.

UM, I'M AFRAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CHANGE THEIR MIND AND BUILD NOT COMMERCIAL AND A LOT MORE APARTMENTS OR TOWNHOMES ALONG BEACH BOULEVARD BECAUSE HOMES MAKE MONEY.

AND ALSO, UM, I AM NOT HAPPY TO READ IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

LAMAR WOULD LIKE TO RETAIN THE DEVELOPMENT RIGHTS FOR 15 YEARS.

SO FOR 15 YEARS THEY CAN FURTHER DEVELOP OR OVERDEVELOPED AS THEY SEE FIT.

AND THEN ONCE IT GETS TO BE ABOUT 15 YEARS OLD, WHEN EVERYTHING STARTS TO BREAK, THEY JUST WANT TO WALK AWAY FROM IT AND LET THE CITY, OR I GUESS THE, THE HOA PAY FOR EVERYTHING.

I DON'T LIKE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE A CSD TO FUND ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND PASS OFF ALL THE COSTS TO THE RESIDENTS OR POSSIBLY THE CITY, OR WHO KNOWS BECAUSE THERE IS NO ANSWER TONIGHT THAT WE REALLY GOT TO, THAT I HAVE ISSUES WITH THE SOIL MANAGEMENT, GRADING, UTILITY TRENCHING, EXCAVATING THE SOIL, THE SOILS HAVE PATROLLING IN THE PETROLEUM IN THEM, AND THEY ARE CONTAMINATED.

THE PROJECT SITE WAS AN OIL FIELD.

IT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

DISTURBING THOSE SOILS WILL BLOW CONTAMINATION ALL AROUND OUR AREA, INCLUDING OUR BACKYARD FOR YEARS, THE AREA WAS ONCE A SUPER FUN SITE DIGGING UP THE LAND.

AGAIN, WE'LL JUST SPREAD THE CONTAMINATION.

I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALSO VERY QUICKLY, JUST THE FISH AND WILDLIFE LETTER WRITTEN IN JANUARY OF 2020, THAT DOESN'T AGREE WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT, THE AREAS OF REFUGE FOR MANY SPECIES, SUCH AS THE VERIO, GNATCATCHER THE ALS THE WRENS AND OTHER BIRDS.

THESE BIRDS ARE INDEED HERE IN THE CITY.

I HEAR THEM, I SEE THEM THESE SPECIES AND HABITATS ME NOTHING TO LENORE AND THEIR PLANS FOR THEIR PROFITS BETWEEN THE WEST COYOTE HILLS PROJECT AND THE PROPOSED RANCHO LAHABRA PROJECT OVER 1100 RESIDENCES WILL IMPACT THE WILDLIFE, WHICH INCLUDE WILDLIFE, FLEEING THE TRAILS IN THEIR HABITAT TO QUOTE THE LETTER.

THIS CAN RESULT IN AN ENERGETIC AND PSYCHOLOGICAL COSTS, TEMPORAL AND SPACIAL, DISPLACEMENT OF PREFERRED ENVIRONMENTS, AND OTHERWISE SUITABLE HABITAT REDUCTIONS IN REPRODUCTION RATES AND POPULATION LEVELS, AND ULTIMATELY AN ALTERATION IN SPECIES COMPOSITION AND DIVERSITY.

THE IMPACT OF MASSIVE OF PASSIVE TRAIL USE AND RECREATION WILL FURTHER EXACERBATE THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE AVAILABLE TO THE EXISTING WILDLIFE RESOURCES AND WILL BE DECREASED ABOUT 300 ACRES.

UM, THE OPEN SPACE OF OUR AREA HAS THE LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF NAT CATCHERS.

AND THIS IS THEIR CRITICAL HABITAT IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.

THEY ARE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES.

THERE'S ACTUALLY SIGNS POSTED AROUND OUR COMMUNITY SAYING NOT TO DISTURB THESE BIRDS, THAT THEY ARE ENDANGERED.

UM, THE WEST RIDGE GOLF COURSE CONTRIBUTES TO MAINTAINING THOSE GNATCATCHERS IN THIS POPULATION THAT WHOLE DEED RESTRICTION WAS MADE TO KEEP THESE BIRDS ALIVE.

UM, THERE ARE NO PLANS FOR MAMMAL MOVEMENT BETWEEN THE PROJECT SITES.

I GUESS THE LAMAR THINKS THE MAMMALS WOULD JUST MOVE OVER TO IDAHO AND, AND MOVE ON THE STREETS LIKE THE CARS DO.

I DON'T REALLY KNOW THERE ISN'T AN APPROPRIATE FIRE MANAGEMENT PLAN.

THERE'S NO MENTION OF A DEFENSIBLE SPACE FOR FIRES.

LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF WILDFIRES CURRENTLY ON THE WEST COAST.

I JUST, I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANY OF THIS IS A GOOD IDEA.

THEY ALSO SPEAK ABOUT NIGHT.

LIGHTING WILL INCREASE THE PREDICATION RISK TO THE BIRDS IN NIGHT.

LIGHTING WILL DESTRUCT DISRUPT THE DAILY BEHAVIORAL PATTERNS OF THE ANIMALS.

NOT ONLY DEMENTIA, IT'LL PROBABLY DISRUPT THE PEOPLE LIVING AROUND, UH, THE, THE PROJECT AS WELL.

BASICALLY.

I'M AFRAID OF THE LOSS OF QUALITY OF LIFE RIGHT NOW DURING THE PANDEMIC, WE WERE FORTUNATE TO HAVE SOME OPEN SPACE, SOME, SOME GREEN TREES, SOME FRESH AIR TO BREATHE.

IT REALLY HELPED US WITH THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

IF LANARK CONSTRUCTS HOME FOR SIX YEARS, WE WILL HAVE LITTLE QUALITY OF LIFE AS RETIREES OR OTHER PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME.

I KNOW

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BECAUSE I'VE HAD THIS EXPERIENCE.

I LIVED IN WEST HILLS OFF OF IDAHO WHEN WESTBRIDGE WAS BUILT, IT WAS VERY LOUD.

WE WERE ALWAYS COVERED IN DUST AND HAD MANY DIFFERENT RODENTS INVADING OUR HOME.

ALSO DURING THAT TIME IN 1999, MY DOG GOT VERY SICK IN 2000.

MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR GOT A DOG AND THAT DOG BECAME VERY ILL AS WELL.

MY DOG WAS AN 85 POUND WEIMER HONOR, AND MY NEIGHBORS WAS AN EIGHT POUND POMERANIAN.

THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH EACH OTHER YET.

THEY BOTH GOT THE SAME, SAME SKIN CONDITIONS AND NEEDED TREATMENT.

I TRULY BELIEVE IT CAME FROM CONTAMINATED SOIL AND YOU WILL NOT CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.

AGAIN, I WORK FROM HOME AS I HAVE FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.

AND I CANNOT IMAGINE LISTENING TO CONSTRUCTION, BEEPING HAMMERING, AND THOSE ANNOYING GRINDING NOISES.

FOR SIX YEARS, SIX DAYS A WEEK, I ALREADY HAVE MY OWN ALLERGIES AND PROBLEMS WITH MY LUNGS.

I HAVE CHOSEN TO LIVE IN A LESS DENSE AND CLEANER AREA.

THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WILL SIGNIFICANTLY GLUED THE AIR WITH TRAFFIC CONSTRUCTION, DIESEL EXHAUST, AND A HIGHER POPULATION.

THOSE ORDERS ODORS WILL FILL THE AIR FROM THE UNDERGROUND METHANE FUEL AND OTHER BIOLOGY IN THE SOIL.

WESTBRIDGE HAS MUCH MORE SIGNIFICANT AIR MOVEMENT THAN THE OTHER COMMUNITIES I GARDEN IN MY BACKYARD.

MY ENTIRE YARD IS A GARDEN FOR MY VEGETABLES, MY HERBS, MY FLOWERS.

WELL, THE TOXIC SOIL BLOWING AROUND BE SAFE.

WILL I BE, WILL I HAVE TO KEEP MY WINDOWS CLOSED FOR SIX YEARS? I JUST PURCHASED A WHOLE HOUSE FAN A YEAR AGO TO SAVE ELECTRICITY AND NATURALLY COOL MY HOME.

BUT I GUESS I'LL JUST HAVE TO NOT USE THAT BECAUSE I CAN'T BE SUCKING TOXIC DUST INTO MY HOUSE AND MY LUNGS.

MY CAT LIKES MY BACKYARD.

WILL SHE BECOME SICK? SHE LIKES THE WATCHING THE BIRDS AND THE WILDLIFE WITH THE NOISE IN THE CONSTRUCTION.

WILL MY CAT RUN AWAY? WILL SHE BE INJURED? WILL SHE BECOME SICK? WELL, THE BIRDS ALL GO AWAY DESTROYING OUR HABITAT THAT OUR ASSOCIATION DOLLARS HAVE BEEN PROTECTING FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS.

OF COURSE THERE'S TRAFFIC, BUT I'VE SAID ENOUGH.

I'M REALLY THANK YOU FOR THE TIME.

AND PLEASE REALLY THINK ABOUT THE PROJECT VOTE NOW AND KNOW THAT THOSE LETTERS WERE NOT FROM OUR CITIZENS.

ALL RIGHT, MISS.

GOOD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT YOU INVEST IN THIS PROJECT.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

UH, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM APRIL.

SANDOVALL GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

HELLO.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT YEAH, IF YOU, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, I'M SORRY.

MY FIRST NAME APR I L LIKE THE MONTH.

LAST NAME IS SANDOVALL S A N D O V A L.

AND I LIVE ON 26, 11 WEST PENDLETON LANE, WHICH IS THE HILLSBOROUGH COMMUNITY.

AND I AM JUST WEST OF BEACH.

SO THE IMPACTS OF BUILDING, UM, BY THE GOLF COURSE WILL BE ENORMOUS.

UM, BOTH ENVIRONMENTALLY FOR MY FAMILY AND HOUSING IN OUR AREA, UH, THE NOISE POLLUTION, UH, WE WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED BY THAT.

AND I'M WONDERING IF NOISE POLLUTION WAS EVEN A, UH, A CONSIDERATION GIVEN, UH, WHEN ALL OF THIS, UM, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BENEFITS TO OUR COMMUNITY WAS CONSIDERED.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE SPEAKERS WHO CAME FROM OXNARD, WHO DISCUSSED THE BENEFITS OF BUILDING IN OUR COMMUNITIES.

AND YET THEY HAD, THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY DISCUSSED AFFORDABLE HOUSING YET.

I DIDN'T HEAR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING A BENEFIT OR BEING SOMETHING THAT WAS A PRIORITY FOR LENORE.

I HEARD INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY.

UM, THE GENTLEMEN FROM BULLETIN SAID, PEOPLE ARE MOVING EAST BECAUSE THEY CANNOT AFFORD HOMES IN OUR AREA.

AND WE WERE MARGINALIZING LOWER INCOME, UM, AND YOUNG PEOPLE YET YOU HERE BECAUSE OF COVID PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO MOVE EAST AND GO OUT TO NEW COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY CANNOT LIVE IN CROWDED AREAS THAT THEY COME FROM IN

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THE INNER CITIES AND IN THE DOWNTOWN AREAS.

SO IT'S SAYING DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

THOSE FOLKS THAT SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE IMPACT IS GOING TO BE ON OUR COMMUNITY.

WHAT OUR COMMUNITY IS EVEN LIKE OXNARD HAS OPEN SPACES, GREEN AREAS, UH, CLEAN AIR.

UM, IT'S A HUGE CONCERN.

WE'RE GOING TO BE BUILDING MORE HOUSING, AND YET IT'S GOING TO HAVE HUGE IMPACTS ON THE HEALTH OF OUR FAMILIES AND IN OUR JUST ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO AS FAR AS DISPLACING THE ANIMALS THAT WILL BE COMING IN TO OUR COMMUNITIES LIKE THE RODENTS.

I I'VE SEEN IT ALL THE TIME WHEN JUST ONE NEIGHBOR IS DOING CONSTRUCTION IN THE COMMUNITY.

WE GET ALL OF THESE ANIMALS THAT COME OUT INTO OUR RESIDENTS.

SO I REALLY FEEL THAT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CONCERNS OF OUR COMMUNITY, OUR RESIDENTS, DON'T ALL COME OUT AND EVEN SPEAK ABOUT IT.

IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT WE DON'T HAVE OPPORTUNITIES OR AN LARGE PART OF OUR POPULATION TO COME OUT AND FEEL THE FREEDOM TO COMMUNICATE IN A PRIMARY LANGUAGE THAT THEY MAY HAVE, WHETHER IT BE CHINESE, VIETNAMESE, SPANISH SPEAKING COMMUNITIES, THIS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, AND THIS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED THE HAVING TRANSLATORS AVAILABLE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES TO COME OUT AND SPEAK.

AND TO HAVE THE FREEDOM TO BE HEARD IS, IS, IS A BIG PART OF BEING AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THIS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE WE'RE MISSING A HUGE PART OF THE POPULATION AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEIR, THEIR ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS WHAT THEY WANT FOR THEIR COMMUNITY.

SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME TRUST ISSUES HERE, HUGE TRUST ISSUES, NOT ONLY WITH LENNART, BUT I ALSO THINK WITH, WITH OUR CITY AND HOW OUR CITY IS GOVERNED, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY, AND I THANK YOU FOR MY OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

ALL RIGHT, MISS SANIBEL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

UH, VERONICA, CAN WE TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE WITH THE QUEUE? THERE ARE 10 PEOPLE ON HOLD, WANTING TO SPEAK.

ALL RIGHT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO A QUICK ROLL CALL HERE ONLY BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THE FACT THAT 10 MORE FOLKS AT OUR CURRENT RATE, THEY TAKE ANOTHER HALF HOUR, 45 MINUTES.

PLUS IF WE DID GET TO THE POINT OF COMMISSION DELIBERATIONS, IT'S REASONABLE TO THINK THAT THOSE DELIBERATIONS MIGHT GO ON FOR ANOTHER HALF HOUR, LONGER, 45 MINUTES.

SO WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST MAYBE IS THAT WE TAKE IT ANOTHER 15 MINUTES, UH, AT THIS POINT.

AND THEN IF WE DON'T HAVE A VERY BRIGHT LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL, THAT WE WILL THEN ADJOURN UNTIL TOMORROW NIGHT, BUT I NEED A YAY OR NAY FROM THE COMMISSIONERS, UH, FOR, FOR, FOR THAT PROPOSAL.

SO LET ME ASK 'EM SURE IF I COULD JUST ALSO SHARE IF I COULD JUST ADD SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS WELL.

I KNOW THERE ARE ALSO COMMENTS, UM, THAT, THAT STILL HAVEN'T BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.

UM, COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED IN BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE PACKET THAT YOU RECEIVED AND, UM, THE OPENING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.

SO THAT THERE'S THAT IN ADDITION TO OFFERING THE, UM, THE DEVELOPER AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE.

SO THERE THERE'S THAT TIMEFRAME AS WELL, THAT, THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD CONSIDER.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE AGENDA, THE DEVELOPER REBUTTAL, IS THAT SOMETHING NEW OR HOW DID THAT SUDDENLY APPEAR? OH, WELL, THAT'S GENERALLY SOMETHING THAT'S DONE DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO, UM, IT'S A RIGHT OF, FOR A DUE PROCESS, RIGHT.

AFFORDED TO PROPERTY OWNERS.

SO WHEN THEY HAVEN'T, THEY, THEY HAVE A PROPERTY, RIGHT.

UM, AND THEY'RE SEEKING TO ENTITLE THAT PROPERTY, RIGHT.

THEY HAVE THEIR PRE, THEY MAKE THEIR PRESENTATION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

THE PUBLIC CERTAINLY CAN SPEAK ON IT.

AND THEN THE, UM, THE DEVELOPERS AFFORDED AN OPPORTUNITY TO REBUT AS PART OF THE DUE PROCESS.

RIGHT.

AND THEN THERE IS, THERE ARE THESE RECEIVED EMAILS, WHICH I KNOW FROM PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS COULD BE SUMMARIZED, BUT MAY NEED TO BE READ VERBATIM.

SO NOW I'M RETHINKING THAT WITH ALL THIS IN MIND, I'M THINKING THAT, UH, UH, IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO ADJOURN AND TO START FRESH TOMORROW AT SIX 30, AS MUCH AS I LIKED IT FINISH, I JUST DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, UH, CERTAINLY BEFORE MIDNIGHT AT THE VERY EARLIEST.

SO, UH, ARE WE ALL IN CONCURRENCE? LET ME ASK COMMISSIONER BERNIE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

I AGREE.

ALL RIGHT.

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AND A COMMISSIONER PAL TOMORROW.

ALRIGHT.

AND COMMISSIONER MUNOS YES.

TOMORROW AND VICE CHAIR MANLY.

YES.

TOMORROW.

SURE.

I GUESS IF I COULD JUST SAY THAT WAS A, WAS THAT A FORMAL MOTION TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE ITEM, UM, TO A SPECIFIC DATE AND TIME TOMORROW AT SIX 30? YEAH.

YOUR RIGHTS GRETA.

I WAS JUST DOING A ROLL CALL, BUT YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT DOES.

I KNOW IT SHOULD BE A FORMALIZED MOTION.

WOULD IT BE ACCEPTABLE FOR US TO ADD THAT LANGUAGE AT THIS POINT AND SAY, YES, THAT WAS A MOTION AND THEN ASK FOR A SECOND.

WOULD THAT BE OKAY? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

I CAN, I WOULD SAY YOU MADE THE MOTION.

SO DO WE HAVE A SECOND FOR THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT.

SO THEN IT'S A THANK YOU.

AND THAT WAS A VICE CHAIR, MAN.

GIVING THE SECOND.

SO NOW IT'S A, UH, ALL IN FAVOR AND I'LL SAY A COMMISSIONER, UH, COMMISSIONER PELL.

YES.

COMMISSIONER MUNOS YES.

AND VICE-CHAIR AMENDMENT.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

SO BASED ON THAT, WE WILL NOW STAND ADJOURNED AND WE WILL RESUME TO A DATES.

WE WILL CONTINUE THIS HEARING TECHNICALLY TO A DATE, CERTAIN WHICH WILL BE TOMORROW EVENING AT 30.

AND I SEE HERE TOO, THAT THE, UH, INCORRECTLY, IF I'M WRONG, ANDREW, BUT THE MEETING ID AND THE PASSCODE WILL REMAIN THE SAME.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.

VERY GOOD.

LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY.

I'D LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES.

I'D LIKE TO THANK STAFF FOR, WHAT'S BEEN A VERY LONG NIGHT AND A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK ON YOUR PART.

I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TONIGHT FOR THEIR WILLINGNESS TO, TO GET INVOLVED AND TO AFFECT THE FUTURE OF THEIR COMMUNITY.

SO WITH THAT SAID, EVERYBODY HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND WE'LL SEE YOU BACK TOMORROW AT SIX 30.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SPEEDING.

STREAMED ON, UH, FACEBOOK AND YOUTUBE.

UM, I DON'T SEE THE ITEM, UH, INDICATING THAT YET.

UM, VERONICA OR BRIANNA WOULD, CAN YOU CONFIRM IF WE ARE STREAMING IT? WE HAVE LOGGING AND FEDERAL IT'LL BE ON YOUTUBE JUST ON YOUTUBE.

YES.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS LAST NIGHT, TOO, AS I RECALL.

SO IN A TEAM TO WORK VERY WELL ON YOUTUBE, SO THAT'S GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS TIME, THE MEETING WILL NOW PLEASE COME TO ORDER AND I'D LIKE YOU ALL TO JOIN COMMISSIONER BERNAY IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

AGAIN, WE WON'T BE REPEATING THE WORDS BECAUSE IT'LL MESS UP THE AUDIO TRACK, BUT A HANDS OVER HEART ARE ABSOLUTELY INDICATED.

SO COMMISSIONER, BERNAY READY TO BEGIN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLY OR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MICHELLE, WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL PLANNING COMMISSION, SECRETARY COORDINATOR, CALMING COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER BRINGING HERE RIGHT HERE, HERE.

COMMISSIONER POWELL, VICE CHAIR, MANLEY SHARON AZARIAN.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, CARMEN.

WE WILL NOW RECONVENE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RANCHO LA HARBOR PROJECT.

AS A REMINDER, THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS FOLLOWING CONSIDERATION OF NUMBER ONE, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT.

LET ME CORRECT MYSELF.

THE FIRST ITEM WILL BE THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE.

TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM OPEN SPACE TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.

AND THAT SAYS ZERO TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE FOR PLANNING AREAS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, AND MIXED USE ONE FOR PLANNING AREA FIVE OR THE RANCHO HAVE SPECIFIC PLAN FOLLOWED BY THE ENVIRONMENT IMPACT REPORT WHEN EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE THAT'S SEH NUMBER (201) 511-1045.

NUMBER THREE, AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE TO THE HARBOR HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN FOR ZONE CHANGE ONE EIGHT ZERO ONE TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM ROBERTSVILLE SPECIFIC PLANT TO RANCHO LAHABRA SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE AREA OCCUPIED BY THE WESTBRIDGE GOLF COURSE, FIVE ADOPTION OF THE RANCHO LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN SIX VESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP ONE SEVEN EIGHT FOUR FIVE SEVEN DESIGNER VIEW ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE THROUGH ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO FOUR FOR RANCHO HARBORS SPECIFIC PLAN AREAS.

ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN.

AND FINALLY, THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE AND TONIGHT THE MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED THE FOLLOWING MANNER.

THE CONTINUING PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE REOPENED AT THE POINT WHERE WE FINISHED LAST NIGHT.

AND WE WERE ASKING FOR SPEAKERS WHO WERE WILLING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE WILL BEGIN AGAIN.

UH, IF YOU SPOKE

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LAST NIGHT, THAT'S GREAT.

IF YOU DID NOT GET A CHANCE TO SPEAK LAST NIGHT AND OPPOSITION, THIS IS THE TIME FOR YOU TO DO SO.

AND LET ME ADD AS WELL THAT THERE WAS SOME FOLKS WHO HAD A HARD TIME CONNECTING LOGGING IN SPEAKING, IN SUPPORT AND AN OPPOSITION LAST NIGHT.

SO WHAT WE'LL DO IS AFTER WE CONCLUDE THE GENERAL SPEAKERS WHO ARE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT, WE WILL DO A FINAL CALL AT THE END OF THAT PROCESS.

AND THAT CALL WILL BE FOR BOTH SUPPORTERS AND OPPONENTS.

IF THEY STILL WEREN'T ABLE TO CONNECT EARLIER, WHO THEN WISH TO SPEAK, UH, ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK WITH COURSE WILL BE ALLOWED AND NO TIME LIMIT IS PLACED ON INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS.

HOWEVER, IT IS REQUESTED THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO NEW INFORMATION.

AND I'LL SAY AGAIN, BRIEFLY WHAT I SAID LAST NIGHT, IF YOU'VE HEARD THE LAST FIVE OR 10 PEOPLE SAY ALMOST THE EXACT SAME THING THAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY, UH, IT WOULD BE EXPEDITIOUS IF YOU WERE TO SAY SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

LIKE I ECHO THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS COMMENTS, UH, AS I MENTIONED LAST NIGHT AGAIN, UH, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE MEETING, UH, ADJOURN, THE PUBLIC HEARING ADJOURN TONIGHT, AND WILLING TO GO UNTIL 10 30 TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN, PERHAPS A BIT LATER IF NECESSARY.

BUT IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT, WE WILL ONCE AGAIN, CONTINUE THE MEETING TO THE FOLLOWING NIGHT.

SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET EVERYBODY HEARD AND GET THE PUBLIC HEARING CONCLUDED.

AND OF COURSE, ANYONE WHO DOES BECOME ABUSIVE OR DISPLAYS ANY INAPPROPRIATE PUBLIC BEHAVIOR WILL BE CUT OFF FROM THE THREAT PURSUANT TO ESTABLISH RULES.

THERE WILL BE, WELL, IT SAYS AT 10 30 CURFEW, UH, ANY BUSINESS NOT COMPLETED BY THAT TIME WILL BE CONTINUED, BUT AS I JUST INDICATED, IF WE'RE FLEXIBLE A BIT, IF WE'RE VERY CLOSE TO CONCLUDING THE MEETING, UH, AT 10 30, WE'LL CONTINUE PAST THAT FOR A BIT, A CONDITION WE'LL TAKE HEALTH BREAKS AT THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION AND RECESS FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

WE'LL SEE WHEN THAT SEEMS TO BE APPROPRIATE AND, UH, REST ASSURED WE WON'T CUT ANYBODY OFF FOR THAT PURPOSE.

UH, AND AGAIN, BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZED SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES LAST NIGHT, WE WILL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY AT THE VERY END FOR, UH, SUPPORTERS TO SPEAK AS WELL.

FALLING PUBLIC TESTIMONY TO STAFF WAS SUMMARIZE ANY CORRESPONDS RECEIVED SINCE 5:00 PM TODAY FOR THE RECORD, THEN THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL AFTER WHICH WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FOLLOWING THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND CONDITIONAL ENTER INTO DELIBERATIONS AND PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF ACCORDINGLY.

SO NOW'S THE TIME FOR ANYONE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT, UH, VERONICA, AS IF YOU'RE LINING THEM UP, WE WILL LIKE, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE FIRST CALLER AND I'LL ASK ALL CALLERS TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES.

PLEASE SLOWLY SPELL OUT YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND GIVE YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

YOU'LL BE SELECTED FROM THE MEETING QUEUE WHEN IT IS YOUR TURN TO SPEAK, WE ARE STILL EXPECTING A FAIRLY LARGE NUMBER OF CALLS.

SO BE PATIENT AS IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME FOR YOUR SPOT TO COME UP IN THE QUEUE.

SO VERONICA, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, WE CAN HAVE OUR FIRST SPEAKER CHAIR.

IF I MAY, WHILE VERONICA IS QUEUING UP THE SPEAKER LIST, MY NAME'S ANDREW HOE, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT WANTED TO INTRODUCE, UM, OUR ATTORNEYS FROM RICHARD'S WATSON MARSHAWN, AND THAT ARE HERE ON THE CALL TONIGHT, DAVID SNOW AND JANETTA GEUMBANCO, THEY'LL BE PROVIDING COUNSEL TO THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.

I'M ALSO HERE IN ATTENDANCE, OUR VARIOUS, UH, STAFF MEMBERS, UH, UH, TO PROVIDE ASSISTANCE AS NECESSARY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, ANDREW.

AND THANK YOU, DAVID.

AND THANK YOU JANETTA.

SO VERONICA, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, THIS IS VERONICA.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON PRIOR TO ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE.

IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THE COMPUTER, PLEASE CLICK ON THE PARTICIPANTS ICON AND CLICK ON THE RAISE HAND ICON.

OKAY.

THE FIRST SPEAKER WILL BE JAMES LEES.

PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE AND SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME PLEASE.

IT'S J A M L E E S.

I LIVE AT 2140.

SO FOR OLD COURT LAW, LIKE TO MAKE A FEW CON A FEW OPENING COMMENTS BEFORE I ADDRESS SOME OF THE SPECIFIC ISSUES I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON A CHAIRMAN COMMENTS ON THE OPINION POLL CONDUCTED BY HARM THE BACKGROUND.

UH, THIS CAME ABOUT DUE TO WHAT I WOULD CALL A FAILURE OF THEIR ELECTRONIC MEDIA CAMPAIGN.

THEY CAME UP IN THE FIRST YEAR, A WEEK AGO, UH, AUGUST AND CAME HERE THE HEAD WITH OUR MEDIA CAMPAIGN AND WHAT RESULTED WAS, UH, FOR EVERY, WE HAD A ROUND.

WELL, WE HAVE MORE THAN 10 TIMES.

THE RATE LENORE DID ON RECEIVING LETTERS AT OUR WEBSITE AND

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HAVING MORE WORD LETTERS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, OR AS OF COURSE OPPOSING THE PROJECT, THERE'S A PORTRAIT OF PROJECT SO THAT THE RATIO WAS 10 TO ONE AND THEY TURNED THIS PROJECT OFF UP AFTER ABOUT TWO WEEKS.

AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE OPINION POLL THAT THEY, THEY WENT OUT AND DID.

AND AS THE CHAIRMAN NOTICED, THE OPINION POLL WAS DECEPTIVE.

IT DIDN'T EVEN MENTION HOUSING, BUT IT MENTIONED OPEN PARKS AND SPACES THAT TERMINOLOGY PROBABLY RINGS A BELL WITH YOU.

AND IT CAN BE EASILY CONFUSED FOR CONFUSED BY A POTENTIAL SIGNER AS TO WHAT THEY'RE SIGNING.

WHAT THIS MEANS IS THERE'S REALLY NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW MANY OF THE 7,800 ODD OWNERS ACTUALLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT, EVEN IF LENNART GOES THROUGH AND SCRUBBED THE LIST.

IT DOESN'T CHANGE A THING.

WE'LL CONTRAST OUR SUPPORTERS HAVE BEEN GOING TO OUR WEBSITE OVER THE LAST SIX WEEKS AND FORWARDING LETTERS IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT, TO THE COUNCIL.

I THINK OUR COUNT IS SOMEWHAT OVER THREE 2300 RIGHT NOW WITH THE LETTERS BEING RECEIVED BY THE COUNCIL, GIVEN THE FATAL FLAW AND OPINION POLL THE VERIFICATION PROPOSED BY ANDREW AND LAMAR REALLY WON'T HELP US KNOW HOW MANY SIGNERS THAT SIGNED REALLY, REALLY, UH, WITH THE INTENT OF OPPOSING THE PROJECT TO BE OF ANY VALUE.

WHAT LENARA NEEDS TO DO REALLY IS TO DO A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD QUESTION, A REAL OPINION POLL.

ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF THE 48, THE 448 HOME RANCHO LA HABRA HOUSING PROJECT? OR DO YOU OPPOSE IT? IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE.

I HAVE, YOU KNOW, I EVEN HAVE A BETTER IDEA.

CAN YOU STILL HEAR ME ALL RIGHT? YES, WE CAN.

EVEN, THIS IS, HI, JIM.

THIS IS ANDREW.

UH, WOULD YOU MIND GOING ON TO YOUR ZOOM ACCOUNT AND THERE SHOULD BE A, UH, AN ICON ON THERE TO SHARE YOUR VIDEO OR CAMERA? I HAD AN ATTORNEY THAT SOMEBODY TURNED ME OFF.

I THOUGHT YOU HAD CONTROL OF IT.

OKAY.

OKAY.

SO LET ME GO BACK.

I I'M, I'M SAYING THAT I EVEN HAVE A MORE NOVEL IDEA FOR .

IF THEY REALLY BELIEVE THAT THE CITIZENS OF LAHABRA SUPPORT THE PROJECT, LET'S LET THE ELECTRIC VOTE ON IT.

NOW, I DON'T THINK THE $25 BILLION BULLY IS GOING TO GO THAT WAY.

I DON'T THINK THEY ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IS CREATE A FALSE REALITY FOR YOUR COMMISSION AND FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO LET ME TURN A MINUTE.

NOW, I WANT TO TURN TO A MINUTE TO SOME OF THE SPECIFICS LET'S TURN TO THE TRAFFIC ISSUE FOR A MINUTE ON THE LAHABRA WEBSITE.

IT STATES THAT LAHABRA DOES NOT PLAN TO REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO FUND TRAFFIC MITIGATION MEASURES THE REPORT, IDENTIFY AS TRAFFIC IMPACTS AS SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE.

IT THEN GOES ON TO BLAME OTHER CITIES FOR THEIR LACK OF COORDINATION, BY NOT HAVING TRAFFIC MITIGATION FUND FOR A FUN PROGRAMS. I HEARD THE DEVELOPER MIGHT EVEN, I HEARD THAT MAYBE THE DOLLAR MIGHT BE RETHINKING THIS, BUT AS OF NOW, UH, HASN'T COMMITTED TO ANY WRITTEN STRATEGY OR COMMITTED TO ANY DOLLARS TO FIX THE PROBLEM.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEY WANT TO MOVE AHEAD WITHOUT ADDRESSING THE ISSUE.

FIRST, NONE OF THE SURROUNDING CITIES WANT THEIR RESIDENTS PAYING FOR NEEDED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE COSTS THE DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE PAYING FOR TO AVOID THE GRIDLOCK AND OTHER MAIN ARTERIES.

OTHER TRAFFIC ISSUES LIKE, UH, USING THE VMT MEASUREMENT IN THE IRR WAS ORDERED ADDRESSED BY JOE FAUST.

BUT I, I DEFINITELY CONCUR WITH HIS, UH, WITH HIS COMMENTS.

AND WE'LL REITERATE THAT THE EIR CONCLUSION THAT THE VMT THAT, THAT IN QUOTES NOT HELPFUL IN ADDRESSING TRAFFIC CONGESTION, WHICH HAS MAJORED WITH DELAYED BASED METRICS, SUCH AS LOS IS REALLY OUTDATED.

I MEAN, THE LAW WENT INTO EFFECT AND IS WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE USED AS THE VMT MAJOR.

I REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE COMMISSION CONSIDER THE FUTURE IMPACTS OF OVER OF OVERLOADING THE STREETS OR OVERLOADING THE STREET ARTERIES AND HAVING, UH, ALTERNATIVE ROUTES LIKE SANDALWOOD LAMBERT, AND MANY OTHER SMALL STREETS BEING USED AS SHORTCUTS AROUND THE GET GRIDLOCK ON A PRIO BEACH IN THE SUCH THE LARGE STREETS.

I'M SURE THAT YOU WANT, I'M SURE YOU'RE GOING TO WANT THE SAME CONSIDERATION FROM FULLERTON.

SHOULD THE GUY HOLD HIS DEVELOPMENT OF 750 HOMES EVER BE COMPLETE? LET ME TURN MY ATTENTION A MINUTE TO THE EFFECTS OF OVERCROWDING.

OUR CITY AS MENTIONED YESTERDAY, ALMOST ALL URBAN PLANNERS WOULD PROBABLY AGREE THAT ADDING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING, UM, HOUSING UNITS, LIKE THOSE BEING PROPOSED BY

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DINAR MAKE DEMANDS ON CITY RESOURCES THAT FAR EXCEED THE REVENUES THAT THE CITY TAKES IN THE INDEPENDENT, AN INDEPENDENT FINANCIAL CONSULTANT NEEDS TO BE NEEDS TO EXAMINE THE PROJECT.

THEY NEED TO INCLUDE ALL THE COSTS, NOT JUST THE DIRECT COST.

EVERYBODY NEEDS, PLEASED.

EVERYBODY NEEDS SPOTFIRE.

EVERYBODY NEEDS A MYRIAD OF SERVICES, OTHER SERVICES SUPPLIED BY THE CITY, WHICH ALL HAVE REAL COSTS AND NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE FINANCIAL REPORT WITH THAT.

ACTUALLY GO AHEAD AND WHAT, OKAY, LET ME GO ON WITHOUT IT.

THAT'S THE MARKER.

OKAY.

WITHOUT GO AHEAD.

WITHOUT A COMPLETE ANALYSIS COSTS, THE RESIDENTS FROM FOR LA HARBOR ARE LEFT TO PAY FOR THE SHORTAGES FAR INTO THE FUTURE.

YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE DEVELOPER TAKING SHORTCUTS ON COSTS IN THEIR HIGHLY TOUTED, $3.8 MILLION FEE FOR EDUCATION.

YOU KNOW, I ONLY, I'M NOT, I'M NOT DETAILED PERSON THAT KNOWS A LOT ABOUT THE EDUCATION, BUT ANYBODY CAN DO A THUMBNAIL CALCULATION.

ANYBODY CAN, CAN, UH, CAN ESTIMATE HOW MANY ADDITIONAL STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE ADDED.

IF YOU ADD ONE PER HOUSE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, 448 STUDENTS.

AND THE AVERAGE COST IN THE HOPPER PER STUDENT PER YEAR IS PUBLISHED AT $9,104 AND E.

AND IF YOU DIDN'T GET ANY REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE STATE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT THAT NUMBER BEING 4.1 MILLION JUST IN THE FIRST YEAR NOW, GRANTED, THEY, THEY WILL BE SOME MONEY PROBABLY COMING FROM THE STATE, BUT DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT IT WON'T END UP COSTING? THE TAXPAYERS WILL HARBOR MORE MONEY? I'VE HEARD VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE STREETS AND STORE PARKING THIS ALREADY, UH, YOU KNOW, WILL HAVE ALREADY HAS A STREET PARKING SHORTAGE RIGHT NOW.

JUST ASK ANY OF THE RESIDENTS ONLINE VISTA TO SEE THE FUTURE, SEE OUR FUTURE LOOK LIKE OTHER CITIES WITH OVER DEVELOPMENT, PROVINCE PROBLEMS. LIKE I'LL USE LONG BEACH SINCE I WORK AND KNOW THAT AREA, THE STREET PARKING IS ALL BUT IMPOSSIBLE AND LATE IN THE DAY AND MOST NEIGHBORHOODS, LONG BEACH WE CAN DO.

YEAH.

ANOTHER THING THAT WAS DISCUSSED KIND OF EXTENSIVELY YESTERDAY WAS, UM, WAS RENA REQUIREMENTS THAT HAVE COME UP AND UP AND OVER IN, IN THE LAST PRESENTATION, THE, THE MONTHS, I THINK MONTHS AGO, I WAS AT A COUNCIL MEETING AND I SPOKE TO A PRESENTER FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT WAS MAKING A PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL AND THEY TALKED ABOUT THE RENA ISSUE AND ABOUT THE 803 ADDITIONAL HOUSING UNITS OVER THE NINE YEARS.

AND HE TOLD ME THERE, AND THIS WASN'T, THIS WAS AFTER THE COUNCIL MAN.

AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT'S TOTALLY DOABLE.

EVEN WITHOUT RANCHO LA HARBOR BASED ON LA HAVAS HISTORY.

AND BASED ON THE NEW LAW CHANGES, UH, NOW MAYBE IF YOU ASKED HIM NOW MAYBE HE CHANGES TO, AND MAYBE THAT WOULDN'T BE WHAT HE'D SAY NOW, BUT SIX MONTHS AGO, THAT'S WHAT I HEARD.

AND THE UNSUPPORTED, UH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS IS A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK ABOUT RINA, UH, AND THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT COULD HAPPEN AND SUCH, BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY UNSUPPORTED, SPECULATION BEING MADE.

AND I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE OR NO VALUE.

THIS PROJECT IS DEFINITELY TILTED TOWARDS HIGH, THE HIGH PRICE SIDE, AND ONLY BENEFITS THE ABOVE AVERAGE CATEGORY.

IF THE BUILDER ISN'T PROVIDING FOR A DECENT AMOUNT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING MONIES ON THE PROJECT, THIS BIG, HOW ARE YOU EVER GOING TO GET AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUILT? YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE AWAY THE PARKING.

THERE'S NO PARKING.

IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT IF YOU CAN'T DO IT ON THIS PROJECT, IT'S GOING TO BE DONE.

SO COOL.

UH, LET ME TALK A MINUTE ABOUT THE AIR AND SOIL POLLUTION, BOTH DURING CONSTRUCTION AND AFTER RESIDENTS LIVING NEAR THE CONSTRUCTION SITE HAVE TOLD ME THAT THEY ARE VERY WORRIED ABOUT AIR QUALITY OF GOING ON DURING CONSTRUCTION.

I HEARD FIGURES OF SIX YEARS.

I'VE, I'VE HEARD FIGURED SHORTER THAN THAT, BUT WHEN CONSTRUCTION'S GOING ON, THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN ABOUT ELDERLY PEOPLE OR ELDERLY PARENTS AND WITH EXISTING RESPIRATORY ISSUES.

AND IN SOME CASES, THERE'S EVEN PEOPLE THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN IN THIS SITUATION.

SO WHAT'S THEIR RESPONSE.

THEY'RE WILLING TO MOVE.

THEY'RE ACTUALLY WILLING TO MOVE OUT OF LA OPERA JUST TO AVOID LIFE THREATENING ISSUE.

AS FAR AS POLLUTION AFTER THE HOUSES ARE COMPLETE.

THE EIR PLAINLY STATES THAT THE GREENHOUSE GASES FROM THE HOMES WILL BE 10 TIMES WORSE THAN WHAT COMES FROM THE GUN.

OF COURSE YOU HAVE ALREADY.

I HEARD THE CONCERNS FROM YOUR OWN COMMISSIONER ABOUT HAVING CHILDREN AND SPENDING TIME IN A PARK.

THIS CLEARLY HAS CONTAMINATED SOIL, AND I WON'T BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I CERTAINLY AGREE WITH HER.

THE BIOLOGICAL STUDIES BRING TO LIGHT SEVERAL INTERESTING POINTS.

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THE WILDLIFE IS DEFINITELY WILL BE DAMAGED.

I EVEN THINK THE IRA, IT MAKES IT CLEAR, UM, UH, BY THE PROJECT, EVEN IF RELOCATION OF PROPERTY IS PURCHASED.

BUT I THINK THE IMPORTANT ISSUE IS THAT THE REPASTE PLACEMENT LAND HAS NOT BEEN PURCHASED, BUT THE DEVELOPER IS IN SUCH A HURRY TO GET THIS PROJECT APPROVED PRIOR TO NOVEMBER ELECTION AND ARE INITIALLY GOING TO EFFECT THAT THEY DON'T CARE.

THEY WANT TO MOVE AHEAD.

REGARDLESS IF YOU THROW ENOUGH MONEY AT IT, I GUESS YOU CAN BUY ANYTHING.

IF YOU THROW ENOUGH MONEY AT IT, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND OUR CONCERN.

GIVEN THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPERS STATEMENT IN THE IRR, FOR EXAMPLE, THEY TALK ABOUT REMOVING NEST ON BIRDS OUT OF SEASON WHEN THE BIRDS AREN'T PRESENT WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S A REAL JOKE.

I MEAN, A JOKE ON THE BIRDS, FOR SURE.

OTHER OTHER THINGS THAT THEY TALK ABOUT.

THEY TALKED ABOUT THE NET CATCHER, THE NET CATCHER HASN'T BEEN SEEN BY ANYBODY, UH, UH, REPRESENTING THE BUILDER SINCE 2016.

BUT ODDLY ENOUGH, WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT GO OUT ALMOST ON A MONTHLY BASE OF THE BINOCULARS AND PHOTO AND CAMERAS AND PHOTOGRAPH THAT VERY SAME BIRD.

THE CITY SHOULD HOLD ITS APPROVAL UNTIL THE PROJECT UNTIL AFTER THE CD FW REMOVES THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, DAMAGE TO HOMES CLOSE TO THE PROJECT.

WELL, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT IT.

SHOULD ANY OF THE GRADING ACTIVITIES FROM THE BUILDER DISTURB THE GROUND AROUND THE SITE? UH, IT HAS POTENTIAL OF COSTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO REMEDY COTTON SHIRES, A GEOTECHNICAL CONSULTANT THAT WE HIRED.

AND IT HAS ALREADY POINTED OUT DEFICIENCY IN THE SOIL TESTING DONE BY THE BUILDER.

I UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT, ISN'T A LIQUEFACTION ZONE AND SUBJECT EARTH MOVEMENT.

YOU HAVE ALREADY HEARD OTHER EARLIER COMMENTS ABOUT PROBLEMS EXISTING TODAY, UH, AROUND THAT, AROUND THE GOLF COURSE AREA.

SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY START DISTURBING THE GROUND, UM, UH, BY WORK, BEING DONE BY THE BUILDER AND IT FURTHER AFFECTS THE SURROUNDING AREAS, THE CITY SHOULD PROTECT ITS CURRENT RESIDENTS FROM LOSS AND SHOULD HAVE THE DEVELOPER DO THE ADDITIONAL TESTING RECOMMENDED DON'T TAKE ANY CHANCES.

DO THE TESTING.

THAT'S RECOMMENDED SKIPPING PROPER TIP TESTING TO RUSH THE PROJECT THROUGH IS THE WRONG THING TO DO.

PLEASE.

I'M HOPING THE COMMISSIONERS WON'T ALLOW THAT THE DEVELOPER ALSO MADE A POINT THAT THE GOLF COURSE IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND CAN BE USED AND CAN'T BE USED BY THE PUBLIC.

BUT WE ALL KNOW IT'S A PRI, IT'S NOT A PRIVATE GOLF COURSE.

IT'S A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE.

ANYONE CAN USE IT.

AND IF THEY CAN USE THE CLUBHOUSE AND THE OTHER FACILITIES, IN FACT, MANY PEOPLE DO AND, AND HAVE WEDDINGS AND MANY OTHER EVENTS ON THE PROPERTY.

NOW THIS IS ALL DONE BY THE WAY, WITHOUT COSTS THE CITY TO MAINTAIN THE FACILITIES.

ADDITIONALLY, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS ON A SITE, WHICH COULD PRESENT ITSELF AS A PROBLEM LATER, IF THE CITY OPERATES AS A PUBLIC PARK, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE TO DATE, THE OWNERS HAVE ALREADY STOPPED SOME OF THE HOMELESS ISSUES BY POSTING SIGNS THAT WALKERS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY.

AND THEY PUT NOT ONLY POSTS THAT THEY ENFORCE IT, UH, MAINTAINING THE LOBSTER LIFESTYLE.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT WE MOVED HERE FOR.

THIS SOUNDS KIND OF UNIMPORTANT TO SOME PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE IN LA HARBOR, BUT IT'S THE FOUNDATION OF THE CITY.

THE RESIDENTS MOVE HERE TO GET AWAY FROM THE DENSITY OF URBANIZATION.

IN MY CASE, THAT WAS LAKEWOOD, UH, THE CITY, HIS LOVE FOR IT'S RELAXED ATMOSPHERE AND SMALLER TIME CHARM.

THE GENERAL PLAN AS LAID OUT IN THE 1990S, SUPPORT THE CITY CHARACTER.

AND WE DON'T WANT TO SEE A CHANGE WE NEED TO WORK FOR.

WE NEED TO WORK FOR YOU TO WORK FOR THE RESIDENTS AND PROTECT THE CHOSEN LIFESTYLE THAT MEANS DEFENDING AGAINST COMPANIES OR EVEN GOVERNMENT AGENCIES PROMOTING DETRIMENTAL CHANGE.

I CAN'T HELP BUT POINT OUT THAT ALL RIGHT, COMMENTS FROM THE PEOPLE YESTERDAY ON NOT ALL, I THINK THERE WERE TWO EXCEPTIONS DIDN'T LIVE IN LA HOPPER.

IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY SUFFER FROM THE, YOU KNOW, DO IT IN YOUR BACKYARD.

DON'T DO IT IN MINE SYNDROME.

YOU AND THE COUNCIL ARE SURROGATES UNTIL THE ELECTRIC GETS VOTED.

DON'T RUSH THIS PROJECT THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS.

IT'S JUST NOT COINCIDENCE.

KNOW THAT THE BOT THAT THE BUILDER IS PUSHING THE PROJECT THROUGH IN NOVEMBER, WHICH IS ACTUALLY OVERLAPPING THE ELECTION VOTING, WHICH STARTS THE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER.

THE, THEY MIGHT WANT TO CONVEY, UH, TO CONVINCE YOU THAT THE RESIDENTS WANT THIS PROJECT, BUT THEY KNOW THE SCORE.

THEY KNOW THE ELECTORATE WILL VOTE AGAINST THE RACHEL ARBOR PROJECT, AS SOON AS THEY GET THE VOTE.

COMMON SENSE SHOULD TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING ON.

MAKE NO MISTAKE.

AND DON'T YOU MAKE THE MISTAKE OF APPROVING THIS BY GOING AROUND YOUR VOTERS,

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AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE COMMISSIONER QUESTION LAMAR ABOUT CHANGING ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS COMMIT THEIR COMMIT, UH, ON YOUR, ON YOUR, UH, COMMISSION, UH, QUESTION ABOUT CHANGING THE PLAN TO INCLUDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND I THINK WE SAW KIND OF A NICE LITTLE JIG.

I DON'T THINK HE REALLY EVER WENT BACK AND ANSWERED THAT QUESTION.

I THINK WHAT HE SAID WAS THIS IS THE BEST PLAN FOR LAHABRA, BUT WHAT HE MIGHT REALLY HAVE BEEN SAYING, THIS IS THE MOST PROFITABLE PLAN FOR LAMAR.

EVERYBODY KNOWS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NOT A WINNER FOR BUILDERS.

DON'T LET LUNARO GET AWAY WITH GIVING A POULTRY MILLION DOLLARS TO BE USED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IF YOU PASS THIS PROJECT, NOW THAT DEVELOPER IS THE CLEAR WINNER AND THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS OF LAHABRA ARE THE CLEAR LOSERS.

THE FEW DOLLARS YOU GET IN THE FORM OF PUBLIC BENEFIT OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING MONEY IS NOTHING.

WHEN COMPARED TO PERHAPS A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS OR MORE IN PROFITS, LENARA IS GOING TO WALK AWAY WITH THEY'RE STEALING OUR WAY OF LIFE AND THEY'RE MONETIZING IT MONETIZING THE VALUE THAT'S DERIVED FROM IT.

THEY WALK AWAY, THEY NEVER LOOK BACK.

DON'T COUNT ON A FOURTH THING.

ANY WARRANTIES, THEIR REPUTATION PRECEDES THEM.

LAMAR GETS THE SHORT TERM PROFITS FOR SURE.

AND LAHABRA GETS THE LONGTERM HEADACHES OF THE OVERCROWDING AND DEFICITS, WHICH CAN ONLY BE SOLVED BY TAXING ITS RESIDENCE.

WE ALL SEE THIS.

WE'VE ALL SEEN THIS HAPPEN BEFORE.

MAYBE YOU EVEN MOVED HERE FROM A CITY THAT HAD THESE, THESE PROBLEMS. SURE.

WE KNOW A LITTLE HOPPER HAS FINANCIAL CHALLENGES AHEAD LIKE MANY OTHER CITIES WITH PENSION LIABILITIES, BUT THE PROBLEM IS NOT SOLVED BY A SHORT TERM, FIX THE MONEY THAT RUNS OUT IN A YEAR AND START TO DRAIN THE CITY COFFERS.

THE CITY NEEDS TO THINK OUT OUT OF THE BOX.

THEY NEED TO LOOK FOR NEW INVENTIVE WAYS TO GENERATE MORE LONG, TRUE LONGTERM REVENUES, RANCHO, HOWEVER WILL NOT BENEFIT THE CITY OF RESIDENCE, BUT IT WILL.

IT, IT WILL HURT THEIR LIFESTYLES AND THEIR POCKET BOOKS FOR YEARS TO COME LISTEN TO YOUR VOTERS, GIVE THEY'RE GIVING YOU THEIR ANSWER.

RANCHO HOMBRE IS NOT IN THEIR BEST INTEREST.

THANK YOU, MR. LAZAR.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, AND WE ALSO APPRECIATE THE TIME AND ENERGY YOU PLACED INTO YOUR COMMENTS.

SO ONCE AGAIN, SIR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

AND A LOT OF OUR NEXT CALLER PLEASE OF THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE IT'S A PHONE NUMBER FIVE.

OH, I LOST IT.

SORRY.

HOLD ON (562) 743-1382 A SPEAKER.

IF YOU WILL PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM AND MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON MUTED SPEAKER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR US GO AHEAD.

SPEAKER, CAN YOU HEAR US? YEAH, I CAN HEAR YOU.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, THANKS.

HI, MY NAME IS JULIE LOMELI, J U L I E O'MALLEY L O M E L I AND MY HUSBAND IS WITH ME AND HE WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS.

HIS NAME IS VICTOR, V I C T O R.

SAME LAST NAME L O M E L.

I, WE SENT A EMAIL A FEW DAYS AGO, SO I THINK YOU HAVE THAT.

AND WE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE ADDRESSED ALREADY, THE TRAFFIC, UM, THAT WE DON'T WANT THIS IN LAHABRA, BUT WE'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS.

AND, UH, SO WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN GIVING OUR INPUT AND, UM, WE LISTENED YESTERDAY FROM SIX 30 TO 10 45 OR WHATEVER TIME THE MEETING WAS ADJOURNED.

AND I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS TWO MORE THINGS THAT WERE SAID IN THE MEETING.

AND, UM, THE DEVELOPER TALKED ABOUT, HE HAD AT LEAST 7,000 SUPPORTERS AND, UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY, I I'M GLAD THAT ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS ASKED HIM ABOUT IT AND, AND, AND WAS ASKING TO INVESTIGATE IT.

BUT ALSO I WANTED TO SAY THAT ON SOCIAL MEDIA, ESPECIALLY FACEBOOK, THEY PUT A LOT OF ADS THAT WERE VERY MISLEADING.

AND, UM, I THINK I COMMENTED, UH, PROBABLY ALL OF THE ONES THAT I SAW.

AND I ALSO READ ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT EVERYBODY PUT.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THERE WAS NOT ONE POSITIVE COMMENT ON ANY OF THE SOCIAL

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MEDIA THAT, UM, LINDAR PUT OUT AND THEY NEVER PUT OFF THE NAME OF THEIR DEVELOPER.

THEY JUST KINDA PUT SOME STUFF OUT.

LIKE WE WERE GOING TO GET FREE PARKS.

WE'RE GOING TO GET BETTER SCHOOLS.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, BUT PEOPLE KNEW AND PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AND PEOPLE PUT A NEGATIVE COMMENTS.

UM, THE OTHER THING THEY JUST WANTED TO SAY TOO, WAS THE DEVELOPER TALKED ABOUT HOW WE DON'T AS RESIDENTS.

WE JUST DON'T WANT THIS IN OUR, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

WELL, WE DON'T WANT THIS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT FOR GOOD REASON, NOT JUST BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO BE BOTHERED.

UM, THEY HAVE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT OF VALENCIA, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO US CAUSE WE LIVE ON, UM, KEARNEY LANE, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE BEACH AND IMPERIAL INTERSECTION.

AND SO WHEN THEY TORE DOWN, THAT WAS LIKE A VEGA BUM MOTEL.

I WAS GLAD BECAUSE THERE WAS A LOT OF CRIME THERE, THERE WAS DRUGS AND JUST A LOT OF SHADY PEOPLE ALWAYS HANGING AROUND.

AND SO WHEN THEY REPLACED THAT WITH A NICE COMPLEX, I WAS HAPPY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DOES HAVE A HIGH POPULAR RELATION TO HIGH DENSITY OF OVER 330 SOMETHING APARTMENT HOMES.

SO THAT IS A BIG POPULATION THAT IS ADDED TO THIS SMALL AREA, UM, INCLUDING THE RADIUS OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENT.

BUT THE THING IS THEY REPLACED THAT SEEDY MOTEL WITH SOMETHING NICE.

NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE.

WE LIKE THE GOLF COURSE.

WE DON'T WANT TO REPLACE THE GOLF COURSE.

SO THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN.

AND SO I WANT TO PASS IT TO MY HUSBAND BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY WANTED TO ADDRESS THE GOLF COURSE, WHICH I DID.

WE DIDN'T REALLY ADDRESS IN THE EMAIL.

THAT IS FINE.

LET ME JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

AND I ASKED DAVID REAL QUICK.

IS THERE ANY ISSUE WITH LETTING A SECOND PERSON IN THEIR OWN QUEUE SPEAK? I DON'T THINK THERE WOULD BE, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

I THINK THAT'S FINE WITH THE COMPLICATIONS OF THE TYPE OF MEETING WE'RE RUNNING.

I THINK THAT'S SUFFICIENT TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.

THANK YOU, DAVID.

YES, MR. O'MALLEY GO AHEAD PLEASE.

HI, MY NAME IS VICTOR.

SHE SAID MY LAST NAME, EMILY.

HI, WE, LIKE WE SAID, WE LIVE, UM, WEST OF BEACH AND SOUTH OF IMPERIAL.

SO TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, YOU KNOW, THE COVERT SITUATION, THE TRAFFIC'S PRETTY MILD RIGHT NOW, BUT ONCE EVERYBODY GOES BACK TO WORK, THERE'S THREE LANES, THE NUMBER THREE LANE GOING EASTBOUND ON IMPERIAL, EVERYBODY LINES UP THERE AND NOBODY WANTS TO GET IN THAT LANE BECAUSE TWO THROUGH FOUR THROUGH TRAFFIC, PEOPLE ARE PEDESTRIANS ARE WALKING.

SO THAT SHUTS THAT LANE DOWN.

CAUSE WE HAD TO WAIT FOR THEM TO GO THROUGH.

SO WE WANT TO MAKE A LEFT TURN OFF OF IMPERIAL BEACH.

THERE'S TWO LANES LEFT TO GO FOR THOROUGHFARE.

SO WHAT HAPPENS THOSE TWO LANES BACK UP AND WE CAN'T EVEN GET INTO THE LEFT.

THERE'S TWO LEFT LANES TO MAKE A LEFT ON BEACH.

SO WE CAN'T EVEN GET INTO THAT LANE FOR TWO SIGNALS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP SO FAR.

AND WHAT HAPPENS IS WE END UP HAVING TO DRIVE THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, COME GOING DOWN A BRASS LINE AND CROSSOVER AND PERIOD OF ALCOHOL TO MAKE A WAY TO A LAMOR TO GET ONTO A LAMOR THEN TO GET ON BEACH.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

UH, YOU KNOW, AS WE SAY, AS FAR AS THE GOLF COURSE, UM, I PLAY AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK THERE, SOMETIMES TWICE I GO TO THE RANGE, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR TIMES, I'M THERE ABOUT FOUR TO FIVE TIMES A WEEK.

AND UH, THE BUILDER HAD STATED THAT, UH, PROBABLY THE, THE NATIONAL FIGURES THAT THEY'RE PLAYING GOLF.

NOW EVERYBODY, ALL THE KIDS ARE ON THEIR IPAD OR PLAYING GAMES, BUT THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE CHANGED HERE IN, UH, IN OUR AREA.

WE HAVE A LOT OF KOREANS, A LOT OF ASIANS AND THEY LOVE GOLF.

THAT'S ALL I SEE WHEN I'M PLAYING GOLF THERE.

AND WHEN I GO UP TO THE RANGE, ALL THESE YOUNG KIDS ARE PLAYING AND IT IS PACKED.

AND ESPECIALLY WITH HIS COVID DURING THESE BAD TIMES, UM, THIS IS A GREAT PLACE TO, TO PLAY.

I MEAN, WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSE.

AND SO RIGHT NOW I SEE ALL THE GUYS THAT ARE UP THERE WORKING.

SO THEY LET ME KNOW AND THEY SAID, I CAN'T EVEN GET A STARTING TIME SOMETIMES IN THE MORNING.

CAUSE I USED TO GO UP THERE AND JUST DRIVE UP THERE AND GET TO PLAY.

BUT NOW I HAVE TO AT LEAST THREE DAYS IN ADVANCE SO I CAN PLAY.

AND I'M JUST A SINGLE PLANE.

SO THEY'VE TOLD ME IT'S EVEN GOTTEN BUSIER AND THE PRICES HAVE GONE UP A LITTLE BIT.

AND SO THEY'RE DOING WELL.

AND YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, UH, THE NATIONAL FIGURES ARE DOWN, BUT IT IS NOT THERE AT, UH, IN LAHABRA HERE.

THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE CHANGED.

WE HAVE A, UH, THE YES, GOLF DOWN HERE, SELLING GOLF CLUBS.

AND THEN HE SAID THAT THE GOLFERS DON'T UTILIZE, UH, ANYTHING DOWN HERE.

I SEE

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GOLFERS WITH GOLF, HATS, CHILIES, UM, RAW, UH, ROBIN, OH, THEN CHEETO.

BUT YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT PLAY THERE DO GO DOWN THERE AND UTILIZE, UH, THE RESTAURANTS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MOVED HERE.

WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR ALMOST 31 YEARS.

SO WE'VE SEEN LAHABRA CHANGE COMPLETELY, UH, WHERE THE VONS USED TO BE.

THAT WAS AN OLD, UH, A STRIP MALL.

AND IT WAS ALL CLOSED DOWN EXCEPT FOR THE LIQUOR STORE THERE.

AND THEY WERE TEARING DOWN, UH, FASHION, THE FASHION MALL, THE FASHION STREET THING RIGHT THERE.

AND THEY WERE CLOSING DOWN, UM, THE DRIVE IN THEATER, WE MOVED IN.

SO WE'VE SEEN THE WHOLE GAMUT OF CHANGE AND YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB, BUT YOU'RE AT THE POINT WHERE IT'S TIPPING, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CALLING IN FROM IRVINE AND, UH, FROM VENTURA, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT IT ALL DOWN TO THE RIGHT.

THEY'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO THE BEACH.

THIS IS THE CITY OF LA HARBOR.

WE CAME HERE BECAUSE THERE'S A REASON AND YOU GUYS DONE A GOOD JOB, BUT I THINK YOU'RE TIPPING THE POINT NOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO NOT MAKE IT THE NICE PLACE.

THEN MAYBE WE'LL HAVE TO MOVE IF YOU GUYS CHANGE IT.

BUT, UH, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL GOLF COURSE.

UM, IT'S A GREAT GREENBELT, UH, WHEN YOU PLAY THERE IN THE WINTER AND THE SUMMER AND MAN WITH THE VIEWS AND EVERYTHING FROM UP THERE AND, UH, IS GORGEOUS.

I I'VE SEEN PEOPLE.

I TALKED TO PEOPLE FROM LA.

I HAD THIS ONE, THAT GUY, HE WAS, UH, HE WAS A KOREAN.

HE OWNED, UH, SOME WAREHOUSES IN, UH, IN COMMERCE.

AND HE MOVED FROM, UM, FROM HOLLYWOOD TO LA MAROTTA.

AND I MET GUYS, UH, KOREAN AND DENNIS AND WORK IN, UM, KOREA TOWN.

THEY COME OUT HERE AND PLAY GOLF AND THERE ARE ALL THESE KOREAN RESTAURANTS, THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAS CHANGED AND IT'S GOING TO CHANGE EVEN MORE.

AND IF YOU GUYS GET RID OF THIS, THAT'D BE SAD FOR THOSE PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY LOVE GOLF.

I MEAN, THE WOMEN, THERE ARE SO MANY WOMEN THAT ARE PLAYING GOLF THERE.

UH, IT'S AMAZING.

SO, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS RIGHT NOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL AND THE COMMERCIAL, UH, EVERYTHING IS CHANGING, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE WITH AMAZON AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

SO WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF, UH, UH, RETAIL.

SO WHO KNOWS, AND YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DONE A GOOD JOB CHANGING SOME OF THE RETAIL AREAS INTO A HOUSING OR CONDOS OR WHATEVER.

AND IT'S GONNA PROBABLY KEEP ON GOING THAT WAY.

SO JUST KEEP THAT UP.

BUT I THINK, UH, THE MORE RESIDENTS YOU GET HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AN OUTLET TO DO SOMETHING AND THAT'S A GREAT OUTLET.

SO, UH, UH, JUST DON'T MAKE THIS TERRIBLE MISTAKE FOR OUR FUTURE.

I JUST THANK EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD AND JUST, YOU KNOW, I SAID, THERE'S JUST NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE AGAINST IT.

EVERYBODY'S, UH, FOR, I MEAN, AGAINST IT, NOT THAT MANY PEOPLE FOR IT.

SO FOR THEM TO BUILD A HOMES.

SO THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR INPUT GREATLY.

APPRECIATE IT.

ALRIGHT, RODDICK, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.

THAT SPEAKER.

OKAY.

THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE PHONE NUMBER (562) 697-1186.

UM, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM, MAKE SURE THAT YOUR MICROPHONE IS UN-MUTED PLEASE.

HI, MY NAME'S ANGELA, A N G E L A CALDERA C A L D AS IN DAVID, E R A.

I'M A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA.

I LIVE ON RYAN AVENUE AND, UM, I MOVED HERE ABOUT 31 YEARS AGO, UH, TO ESCAPE A CITY THAT WAS A HIGH DENSITY, NO PARKING TRAFFIC.

AND, UH, THE ONLY OPEN SPACE IN THAT CITY WAS THE GOLF COURSE.

THEY DEVELOPED THE GOLF COURSE, UH, MADE IT INTO A, I THINK THEY HAVE A HOTEL THERE NOW, BANQUET ROOMS, UH, BUT THEY RETAIN THE GOLF COURSE AND THE OPEN SPACE.

AND I JUST WANT TO COMMENT THAT MR. LEE'S COMMENTS, I, ALL OF THEM HIT HOME WITH ME.

HE'S SPOT ON, BUT I, I LOVE NATURE.

I LOVE OPENNESS.

THAT'S WHY I LOVED MOVING TO LA HOMBRE.

AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, UH, LENARA DID A LOT OF FEARMONGERING LAST NIGHT.

I HEARD THE COMMENTS AND, UM, I REALLY VIEW THIS DECISION BY YOU, THE COMMISSION, UM, AS A VERY SERIOUS ONE, I VIEW IT.

IF THIS PROJECT IS APPROVED, IT'S LIKE A BANDAID TO AN ONGOING PROBLEM BECAUSE THE PROBLEMS THAT FACE OUR CITY AND

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REALLY ALL THE OTHER CITIES IN CALIFORNIA, THEY'RE THE SAME.

EVERYBODY'S GOT A MONETARY SHORTFALL, BUT ONCE THAT LAND IS GONE, IT'S GONE FOREVER.

AND I RESEARCHED A BIT TODAY ABOUT THE STATE MANDATE ABOUT THIS REQUIRED HOUSING.

AND IT WAS, AND I KNOW THE GENTLEMEN FROM MINNAAR, HE WAS PUSHING THAT AGAIN, USING SCARE TACTICS.

YOU'RE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

IT'S YOUR JOB TO HUNT AROUND AND LOOK FOR SPACES TO DEVELOP, BUT TO TAKE AWAY THE LAST OPEN GROUND EARTH, SUCH A BIG SPACE IN THE MIDDLE OF HOMBRE.

I MEAN, I ACTUALLY FEEL THAT'S A SACRILEGE.

IT'S DESECRATING THE LAND.

IT'S ALREADY BEEN DESECRATED BY THE OIL COMPANY, BUT TO DO THIS ON TOP OF THAT, PEOPLE NEED TO SEE OPEN SPACES.

PEOPLE IN THE INNER CITIES, IN LOS ANGELES, THEY RUSHED TO GO TO THE OCEAN.

THEY RUSHED TO GO TO THE MOUNTAINS.

WHY? BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING IN THEIR CITY.

AND I JUST BELIEVE IT'S VERY SHORTSIGHTED TO THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEMS. NO, THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE THE BEGINNING OF PROBLEMS BECAUSE I HEARD THAT NUMBER OF OVER OVER 1800 MORE HOMES NEED TO BE BUILT BECAUSE OF THE STATE MANDATE.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THOSE 10 YEARS? EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE WORSE, TRAFFIC POLLUTION.

IT'S GOING TO BE A MESS.

YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION.

YOU HAVE A OPPORTUNITY RIGHT NOW TO KEEP THIS LAND OPEN.

SO MANY OTHER THINGS, BENEFICIAL, POSITIVE THINGS CAN BE DONE WITH THIS LAND TO IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY, TO IMPROVE THE LIVES OF RESIDENTS.

DON'T PUT MORE HOUSES THERE THAT WOULD JUST REALLY BE WRONG.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

OKAY, MS. CALDERA, WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME VERONICA.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

THE NEXT ONE WILL BE PHONE NUMBER (951) 847-1673.

UM, IF YOU CAN PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM AND MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE WAS ON.

YOU DID.

HI.

HOW ARE YOU? MY NAME'S ROBERT MEDRANO, R O B E R T R A N L.

HOW ARE YOU? FIRST OF ALL? LET ME, UH, LET ME JUST SAY, I DO NOT LIVE IN THE CITY OF LA HABRA.

I'M ACTUALLY YOUR NEIGHBOR HERE.

EAST OF WHITTIER FRIENDLY HILLS AREA.

UM, I WANTED TO SPEAK BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDS IN LAHABRA AND ACTUALLY ALL OF US HERE IN FRIENDLY HILLS, WHITTIER AND LA LOMBARD ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IT TOO.

UM, LET ME FIRST START OFF BY SAYING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU GUYS ARE VERY DIFFICULT JOB, UH, COMMENDING YOU GUYS FOR, FOR GOING THROUGH THESE PAST TWO MEETINGS, I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THEM AND YOU GUYS NEED TO BE COMMENDED.

WELL, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, UH, FROM A SELFISH PERSPECTIVE, UM, I'VE LIVED HERE IN THE AREA FOR A LONG TIME.

I HAVE A LOT OF FAMILY, LIKE I SAID, IN THE HARBOR AND IN THE AREA WE DO PROBABLY 80% OF OUR SHOPPING IN LAHABRA.

I COULD TELL YOU, MY WIFE SPENDS A LOT OF MONEY AT COSTCO, NORTHGATE, WALMART, AND I SPENT A LOT OF MONEY AT YOUR LOWS.

UM, AND I TELL MY WIFE ALL THE TIME.

I SAY, MAN, I WISH WE HAD THOSE BIG ANCHOR STORES OVER HERE IN WOODIER.

WE DON'T, WE TRAVEL THE LABRUM.

ONE OF THE BIGGEST TOPICS THAT COMES UP IN OUR HOUSEHOLDS.

AND WHENEVER WE TALK WITH OUR NEIGHBORS HERE IS, IS THE TRAFFIC.

AND WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS PROJECT, WE SAID, HOLY SMOKES.

WE REALLY NEED OUR STORES OVER HERE ON OUR SIDE OF THE, ON OUR SIDE OF TOWN.

BECAUSE HONESTLY, BEFORE COVID, THE TRAFFIC WAS HORRENDOUS.

AND, UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT IT WOULD BE ADDING 450 MORE HOMES, ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT THE STATISTICS OF HAVING ON AVERAGE TWO CARS PER HOUSEHOLD, THAT'S ALMOST A THOUSAND CARS ADDED, YOU KNOW, UM, MORE SO THAN THAT.

AND AGAIN, I'M TALKING ON A VERY ENVIOUS LEVEL

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BECAUSE I WISH I HAD THE VENUES THAT YOU GUYS HAD IN YOUR TOWN.

BUT THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA SPENDS ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS ON GROCERIES.

IT'S NOT MORE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 10,000 OR MORE HOUSEHOLDS IN THE CITY OF WHITTIER AND LAMARA, AND THAT'S BEEN EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE.

IT'S MORE THAN THAT, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO PUT IT TO YOU.

IN PERSPECTIVE, 10,000 HOUSEHOLDS ON THE EAST END OF WHITTIER FRIENDLY HILLS, FLORIDA, WE SPENT A THOUSAND DOLLARS OF OUR DOLLARS IN THAT CITY.

MULTIPLY THAT IN A YEAR ALMOST THAT'S OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WITH THE COMMERCE COMING TO YOUR CITY.

NOW I CAN TELL YOU, THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE I TELL MY WIFE, I DO NOT WANT TO GO OVER THERE BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC.

I'LL GO OVER HERE.

YOU GUYS BUILD THOSE HOMES OVER THERE.

I'LL TELL YOU THIS.

IT'S GOING TO HURT YOU MORE THAN IT HELPS YOU SECONDARY.

UM, I, I DON'T REALLY LIKE THE, UH, THE POSITION OF, OF DEVELOPING ON OPEN LAND LIKE THAT.

I KNOW EVEN IN OUR TOWN, WE HAD OUR FIGHT WITH, UH, PEOPLE WANTING TO DRILL OIL WELLS HERE IN MY BEAUTIFUL WOODROW HILLS.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT WAS SHOT DOWN AND IT'LL CONTINUE TO GET SAT DOWN BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT.

THEY JUST DON'T WANT IT.

AND I'M GOING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST WITH YOU AND TRANSPARENT AGAIN, EVERYONE WHO WANTS THAT PROJECT IS EITHER AFFILIATED WITH THE DEVELOPER IS A SPECIAL INTERESTS, OR ARE SEVERAL RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SOME SORT OF INTEREST.

UM, AND I CAN TELL YOU, I, I JUST, I, AGAIN, IF YOU GIVE ME THE COST OVER HERE, YOU GAVE ME YOUR WALMART, PUT IT ON OUR SIDE OF TOWN AND WE'LL TAKE IT.

BUT YOU GUYS ARE HURTING YOURSELVES BY, BY CREATING ALL THAT TRAFFIC, THAT CONGESTION.

AND I REALLY FEEL BAD FOR YOU GUYS.

BUT ON THAT NOTE THAT YOU, ONCE AGAIN, COMMISSION, YOU GUYS HAVE A DIFFICULT DECISION, BUT I CAN TELL YOU 110% THAT THE MAJORITY, IF NOT ALL RESIDENTS DO NOT WANT THAT PROJECT.

AND YOU'RE LOSING OUT A LOT OF PEOPLE IN LA MIRADA, WHITTIER WHITTIER COUNTY AREA.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ROCKING.

NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

NEXT CALLER WILL BE PHONE NUMBER (310) 251-7292.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM AND MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS UN-MUTED SPEAKER.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? SPEAKER, ARE YOU THERE? CAUSE I KNOW SOME FOLKS HAD A HARD TIME HITTING THE UNMUTE.

YES.

THERE WE GO.

YES.

SPEAKER YOU'RE ON YOUR ONLINE LAUREN, I'M EATING.

SHE DOESN'T SAY MY NAME.

SHE JUST SAY, TELL HER SOMETHING OR OTHER, WELL, NOW YOU NEED TO SAY, I APOLOGIZE.

THIS IS JULIE EDWARDS AND I LIVE AT FIVE TO EIGHT O J U L I E EDW, A R D S.

I LIVE AT FIVE TO EIGHT SOUTH WALNUT AND I WAITED ALL NIGHT.

LAST NIGHT.

IT GOT TOO LATE.

SO I'M BACK HERE.

I JUST WANTED TO GET IN MY CITIZEN VOTE THAT I AM OPPOSED TO THIS.

UM, ALL THE REASONS THAT I AM OPPOSED HAVE BEEN ELOQUENTLY STATED BY OTHER PEOPLE, BUT IT WOULD BE PRIMARILY, PROBABLY THE INCREASED TRAFFIC.

I FEEL LIKE I LIVED IN LAHABRA IN THE HOPPER HEIGHTS ALL MY LIFE.

AND SO I'VE SEEN THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC ON OUR, OUR ARTERIAL ROADS, LIKE LAMBERT AND HARBOR IMPERIAL.

AND NOW I LIVE ON, UH, WALNUT, WHICH SHOULDN'T BE AN ARTERIAL ROAD, BUT GOT HEAVY ENOUGH TO WARRANT PUTTING IN THE SPEED BUMPS.

UM, SO TRAFFIC WOULD BE ONE OBJECTION.

UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OUR CITY RESOURCES, FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE, UH, WHEN WE NEED POLICE OVER HERE.

UH, CAUSE WE DO IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD QUITE FREQUENTLY.

A LOT OF TIMES WE'RE TOLD THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH AVAILABLE AND YOU KNOW, THEY'LL GET HERE WHEN THEY CAN.

SO TO ADD MORE RESIDENCES SEEMS THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY GUARANTEE THAT WILL INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR POLICE AND FIRE.

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ALSO, I'M OLD ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHEN THAT AREA WAS ALL OIL OIL, WHAT ARE THEY CALLED? LITTLE DAIRIES, LITTLE PUMPS.

I THOUGHT WHEN I LITTLE, WHEN I WAS A LITTLE KID, I THOUGHT THEY WERE A LITTLE GALLOPING HORSES, YOU KNOW? UH, SO I KNOW THAT THAT IS CONTAMINATED AREA.

IT'S PROBABLY NOT SAFE.

I'M NOT EXCITED ABOUT THEM.

I'M CONCERNED FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE CLOSEST IN THE ALREADY EXISTING WESTRIDGE.

AND THEN I'M CONCERNED FOR ALL OF US JUST TO DIG UP THAT AIR AND POSSIBLY POLLUTE WATER SUPPLY.

AND IT'S JUST, I JUST THINK IT'S A REALLY BAD IDEA.

AND THEN, UM, LASTLY, THAT'S IT.

I JUST THINK YOU'RE TRADING, YOU KNOW, LAHABRA IS NOT GIANT SEVEN AND A HALF SQUARE MILES.

THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH CRAMMED INTO IT.

AND WE, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A LONG TIME STAY BECAUSE OF THE SMALL COMMUNITY ATMOSPHERE.

AND I THINK YOU WOULD BE RISKING THAT AND TRADING THAT, UH, QUALITY OF LIFE FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR PROFIT AND ALSO FOR, FROM A DEVELOPER THAT FROM ALL THE STORIES I'VE HEARD, DOESN'T REALLY GIVE A HOOT ABOUT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE.

SO THAT'S ALL, I JUST WANTED TO GET MY 2 CENTS IN THERE.

SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS.

ALL RIGHT, MS. EDWARDS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

BYE.

UH, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

NEXT CALLER WILL BE PHONE NUMBER (310) 251-7292.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

MAKE SURE THAT YOUR MICROPHONE IS UN-MUTED BEFORE SPEAKING TO THE COMMITTEE.

HELLO? YOU CAN HEAR ME, RIGHT? YES.

MY NAME IS RANDY HETRICK.

I'M A 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF LAHABRA AND UM, I TOO, CAN YOU, UH, CAN YOU SPELL THAT FOR US REAL QUICK? YEAH, RANDY, R A N D I HETRICK, H E P R I C K.

THANK YOU.

UH, I WAS ON THE CALL LAST NIGHT TOO, FROM SIX 30 TO 10 45.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR HANGING IN THERE.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT THIS WAS HELD OVER TODAY.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT I AGREE WITH MANY OF THE COMMENTS I LIVE DIRECTLY OFF OF BEACH BOULEVARD ON TOLEDO.

AND I MEAN, THE TRAFFIC IS INCREDIBLE.

IT'S INCREDIBLE.

I WAS ALREADY REALLY UNHAPPY WHEN COSTCO WENT IN AND THIS IS JUST BEYOND INSULT TO INJURY.

I MEAN, IT'S SO HARD TO NAVIGATE THOSE INTERSECTIONS ALREADY.

SO THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE, BUT THE TWO BIGGER ISSUES ON THAT OR EQUALLY COMPELLING ISSUES ARE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ZONING.

THIS WAS ZONED AS OPEN SPACE, OPEN SPACE, AND YOU KNOW, AS MANY OTHER CALLERS HAVE COMMENTED AND THIS IS A SMALL CITY LIKE THESE AROUND US, THEY ALL HAVE MORE PARKS THAN WE DO.

I MEAN, ALL OF THEM, WE DON'T HAVE MUCH OPEN SPACE.

I UNDERSTAND THE GOLF COURSE, NOT A PARK, BUT FOR THE LESS, IT IS A LOVELY OPEN SPACE.

AND I THINK IT REALLY RAISES, I DON'T KNOW, UPLIFTS LAHABRA.

I MEAN, SOMETIMES LAHABRA IS KIND OF THE, I DON'T KNOW, THE LESS DESIRABLE CITY OF NORTH ORANGE COUNTY, BUT WESTBRIDGE REALLY HELPS AMELIORATE THAT.

ALSO, EVEN THOUGH I HAVEN'T HEARD A LOT OF COMMENTS ABOUT THIS, I THINK IT'S VERY UNFAIR TO THE PEOPLE WHO BOUGHT THOSE HOMES, THINKING THERE WAS GOING TO BE A GOLF COURSE THERE AND NOW THERE'S GOING TO BE 450 HOUSES INSTEAD.

THERE'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE REALLY BEEN HOODWINKED AND THAT'S VERY, SOMETHING REALLY UNFAIR ABOUT CHANGING THAT ZONING AND DOING THAT TO THEM AND ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN ENUMERATED, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRUCTION, THE CONTAMINATED SOIL, THE STRAIN ON CITY RESOURCES, ET CETERA, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

SO I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FROM ME.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING IS PATRICK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

AND NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

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DO WE HAVE VERONICA ON THE LINE? IT LOOKS LIKE VERONICA IS MUTED RIGHT NOW.

SORRY.

APOLOGIES MY MICROPHONE.

NO PROBLEM.

ANYTIME YOU'RE READY.

NEXT ONE UP.

AND THE PHONE NUMBER IS (714) 404-4768.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON MUTED.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME YOU'RE ON.

HELLO? YES, YOU'RE ON.

YOU ARE INDEED.

OKAY.

MY NAME IS JODY WICKERSHAM, J O D Y W I C K E R S H A M.

I'VE LIVED IN, I'VE LIVED IN THE HUB.

IS THIS PAINFUL TO SAY FOR 58 YEARS? SO OF COURSE I'VE WATCHED THE HOG RETURNED FROM A VERY, VERY SMALL COMMUNITY AND TO A METROPOLIS OF WHICH I'VE NEVER BEEN REAL HAPPY WITH.

UM, HIS KIDS, WE LIVE RIGHT OFF OF LAMBERT AND I COULD GET ON MY HORSE AND RIDE LAMBERT WHITTIER BOULEVARD TO CYPRUS, GO UP NORTH CYPRUS WEST, YOU KNOW, ON THE, UH, OVER THE HILL AND GO ALL THE WAY TO ROSE HILLS.

I CAN'T EVEN, I WOULD NO MORE RIDE MY HORSE RIGHT NOW ON ANY STREET THAT'S CONNECTED TO LA HOMBRE.

UM, THE TRAFFIC IS ASTRONOMICAL.

IT'S IT'S BEYOND.

UH, THERE ARE MORE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS.

I WATCH PEOPLE EVERY DAY, RUN RED LIGHTS.

I WATCHED THEM RIDE ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD, DOWN THE MEDIUM ON WHO YOUR BOULEVARD.

UM, IT'S DANGEROUS.

YOU YOU'VE MADE LAHABRA DANGEROUS.

AND IT'S ALSO, I NEED TO REPRESENT THE ANIMALS OF THIS SITUATION.

THERE ARE LAWS THAT HAVE REQUIRED THE CITY OF FULLERTON OR CITY OF LAHABRA NOT TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH ANY MAMMAL WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

SO I HAVE SKUNK PROBLEM.

I LIVE TRAPPED.

THE SCOTT CALL THE CITY AND THE CITY REMINDS ME THAT THEY NOT ONLY CAN FIND ME, BUT I HAVE TO TURN OUT LOOSE BACK INTO MY YARD SO THAT MY DOG HOUSE NOW CAN RIP IT APART.

AND I FIND IT JUST APPALLING THAT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON.

I DRIVE DOWN THE STREET AND THERE ARE THREE COYOTES WALKING DOWN MY STREET.

TWO MONTHS AGO, I PICKED UP THE CAT, MY CAT SCAN OUT OF THE GUTTER.

THAT'S ALL THAT THEY LEFT FOR ME.

UH IT'S THERE IT'S BEEN A MULTITUDE OF SMALL ANIMAL DEATHS FROM THE COYOTES THEY GET IN THERE.

THEY'RE IN THE BACKYARDS OF PEOPLE'S HOMES THERE, UH, THERE'S, THERE'S NO PLACE LEFT FOR THESE ANIMALS TO GO.

UM, AND YOU CAN'T RELOCATE THEM.

I POPPED THE ANIMAL CONTROL.

THEY CANNOT TAKE AN ANIMAL OUT OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA AND LOCATED ANY PLACE ELSE.

SO IF THEY WERE ABLE TO LOCATE, RELOCATE THEM, THEY JUST HAVE TO RELOCATE THEM IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEM.

SO BASICALLY OUR ANIMAL CONTROL WOULD BE DOING NOTHING THE REST OF THEIR LIVES, BUT RELOCATING ANIMALS.

THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THESE ANIMALS TO GO, UM, MAKE, YOU KNOW, MY, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS TO POSTPONE THIS PROJECT.

AND UNTIL WE CAN MEET PERSON TO PERSON WITH LENORE AND THE PROPOSALS CAN BE CARRIED OUT IN PERSON INSTEAD OF ON ZOOM, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN LA HABRA THAT DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THIS.

DON'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT.

I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO USE IT.

I, THEY GET MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET TO HELP ME WITH IT.

YOU, YOU, I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN ENOUGH INPUT TO, TO ALLOW LAMAR TO JUST COME IN AND WIPE OUT WHAT LITTLE BIT OF LAND WE HAVE LEFT.

WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH LEFT.

AND WHAT WE DO HAVE, WE SHOULD BE APPRECIATIVE AND TAKE CARE OF IT.

NOT LETTING IT ARE COME IN AND UNDERMINED AND BUY IT OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THE BUS.

DON'T LET THE CITY ALLOW THEM TO DO THAT WITH, WITH THEIR MONEY AND WITH THEIR INPUT AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY'VE COME IN WITH.

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THEY, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T WANT TO NEED LAHABRA AND WE DON'T NEED LENORE.

WE'RE DOING JUST FINE WITHOUT IT.

WE'VE GOT BIG ANCHORS.

WE'VE GOT ALL THE BUILDING DOWN THERE ON, ON HARBOR BOULEVARD IN LAMBERT.

WE, WE HAVE SO MUCH TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE ADDING 400 AND SOME CARS MORE.

YOU TAKE AN LINE UP 400 CARS FROM WHEREVER LAHABRA IS UP.

PROPERTY LINE IS ONE INTO THE OTHER, AND YOU'RE GOING TO BE OUT OF LAW, BRO.

YOU JUST, YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO US.

WE LIVED HERE TOO LONG AND I I'VE SEEN THIS.

I'VE JUST WATCHED, LAHABRA GO DOWNHILL.

AND I JUST THINK THAT TRULY IF LENARA GETS IN HERE AND BILLS ANYMORE, UM, I BASICALLY I MOVIE BECAUSE I DIDN'T MOVE HERE TO BE PUSHED AROUND THE BUY A BUILDING COMPANY THAT'S THAT'S REALLY DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN OUR CITY.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

WELL, MS. WICKERSHAM, I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND SPEAKING WITH US TONIGHT.

THANKS.

I THINK ONE QUICK, SECOND TO VERONICA JUST HAD A SHORT CURIOSITY.

I'D LIKE TO CHECK MAYBE ON AN HOURLY BASIS.

UH, I THINK THE, UH, THE Q AS FAR AS YOU CAN SEE IS ACCURATE AND WHAT'S THE STANDING, THERE ARE SIX PEOPLE WAITING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND NEXT CALLER, WHEN YOU'RE READY AND NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM LAURA RODRIGUEZ, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM MY MUTE, YOUR MICROPHONE, AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE YOU ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

HI, LAURA RODRIGUEZ, L A U R A R O D R I G U E Z.

UM, I CAN'T TURN ON MY VIDEO.

OH, WAIT.

YES, I CAN.

ALL RIGHT, GOOD.

THANK YOU.

I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY CONCERN AND MY OPINION.

UM, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN LA HABRA FOR 20 SOMETHING YEARS.

UM, I WAS ACTUALLY LIVING IN LA COUNTY, UM, SUPER CONGESTED, SUPER, UM, NO, YOU KNOW, NOT A LOT OF PARTS AVAILABLE, UM, CAME TO LAHABRA REALLY ENJOYED, UM, THE ABILITY OF BEING ABLE TO WALK TO SCHOOL.

UM, AND OBVIOUSLY THE NEIGHBORS, UH, THE NEIGHBORS HAVE BECOME FAMILY.

I LIVE AT SEVEN, EIGHT, 18 WEST FOURTH AVENUE.

UM, PEOPLE KNOW IT AS , UM, IT'S WHERE ALL THE MIGRANT WORKERS USED TO LIVE IN THE 1930S.

MY FRONT NEIGHBOR, TONY GONZALEZ IS A HUNDRED YEARS OLD, UM, HAS, WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THAT HOUSE.

UM, SO I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED AND IT, AND IT WAS VERY OFFENSIVE TO ME THAT, UH, YESTERDAY IN THE PRESENTATION WITH , UM, HE MENTIONED THAT HE WAS COMING TO BUILD A COMMUNITY.

I'M SORRY, WE HAVE A COMMUNITY.

UH, WE HAVE A CORN FESTIVAL.

WE HAVE, UH, CHURCHES.

UM, I'M ALSO, I ALSO ATTEND ALL G OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE ON LAHABRA BOULEVARD.

THEY ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE.

THEY GIVE TO THE COMMUNITY, UM, DURING THE COVERT TIME THEY'RE GIVING OUT FOOD FOR THE PEOPLE THAT NEED FOOD.

UM, YOU KNOW, THEIR SCHOOL HAD TO CLOSE DOWN DURING COVID.

SO, I MEAN, BRINGING IN MORE BUILDINGS IS NOT GOING TO ASSURE US THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE CHILDREN IN THOSE SCHOOLS.

PARENTS ARE GOING TO BE SPENDING MORE MONEY ON PAYING THEIR MORTGAGES, PAYING THOSE HOS EXPENSIVE.

UM, I, I I'M LIVING AT HOME BECAUSE I CANNOT AFFORD TO LIVE IN LAHABRA AND BUY MY OWN HOME ON MY OWN AS A SINGLE RESPONSIBLE WORKING WOMAN.

I WOULD NEED A SECOND INCOME IN ORDER TO AFFORD ANY OF THE HOMES IN AROUND MY AREA.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND LIKE I SAID, WE'RE VERY CLOSE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS.

WE ALSO HAVE SOME DUPLEX ACROSS THE STREET THAT ARE RENTERS VERY, I MEAN, WE ARE A COMMUNITY, WE ARE A COMMUNITY THAT CARES ABOUT OUR CITY.

UH, WE DON'T WANT, IT'S NOT THAT WE DON'T WANT OTHER PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY IT'S THAT WE

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DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC, AND WE DON'T WANT A COMPANY TO COME IN AND TELL US THAT WE NEED TO BUILD A BETTER COMMUNITY WHEN WE ALREADY HAVE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, THAT WE ALREADY HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE, ARE VOLUNTEERING FOR THINGS THAT ARE HELPING EACH OTHER OUT DURING, DURING GOOD TIMES AND BAD.

SO IT, IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR THAT.

UM, AND THAT THERE WASN'T ANY CONCERN.

UM, IT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE HE WAS CONCERNED OR THE COMPANY DIDN'T SEEM LIKE THERE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE PROPERTY WAS BEFORE THAT THEY HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH CHEVRON BEING IN THAT AREA.

I DO REMEMBER THAT I'M NOT THAT YOUNG, BUT, UM, I DO REMEMBER THAT BEING AN OPENED OPEN AREA.

AND I DO REMEMBER, UM, YOU KNOW, SEEING THE HILLS AND ENJOY AND BEING ABLE TO ENJOY A DRIVE, UM, THROUGH OUR CITY.

I MEAN, I, I LOVED DRIVING UP AND DOWN HACIENDA HEIGHTS JUST BECAUSE IT, IT MAKES ME FEEL LIKE I'M IN A DIFFERENT PLACE.

SO IF WE, IF WE KEEP BUILDING MORE HOMES AND WE KEEP DESTROYING WHAT WE HAVE, AND THAT GOLF COURSE, WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT MORE UNLIKELY FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO SPEND TIME HERE OR SHOP IN OUR AIR IN OUR SHOPPING CENTERS.

UM, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S MONEY COMING OUT OF OUR CITY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO VOICE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE A COMMUNITY, I CARE ABOUT MY COMMUNITY, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU GUYS, UM, TAKE THIS INTO ACCOUNT AND THAT WE CAN, UM, BOOT THEM OUT AND NOT LET THEM COME IN AND BUILD THOSE HOMES ON THERE.

UM, WE ARE A COMMUNITY, WE'RE ALL, WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

AND WE JUST WANT LAHABRA TO GO BACK TO ITS ROOTS, GO BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE OLD STYLE OF EVERYONE IS TOGETHER.

EVERYONE IS SUPPORTIVE.

UM, THAT'S IT.

THAT'S ALL WE WANT.

WE JUST WANT THE HARBOR TO BE THE OLD LAHABRA.

ALL RIGHT.

WELL, MS. RODRIGUEZ, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

WE GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

THEN NEXT SPEAKER, YOU ARE ON MUTED.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY? I GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY.

MY NAME IS .

LET ME SPELL IT OUT.

P AS IN PAUL, A N K A J LAST NAME M E H T A.

I LIVE ON ONE EIGHT FOUR ONE DOT MERIT COURT IN LAHABRA.

I HAVE LAYERED IN THIS PERIOD FOR LAST 27 YEARS, AND I'M MR. NICK FERRY, AND I APPRECIATE YOU AS A COMMISSIONER AND ALSO ALL THE ELECTED OFFICIAL OF THE CITY, AND AS A PART OF ELECTED OFFICE STILL, AND EMPLOYEE OF THIS CITY, IT DOES BECOME A DUTY TO DO SOME PROGRESSIVE WORK FOR THE CITY AND WHEN SOME COMPANY OR SOME BUSINESS COME UP, COME ALONG AND PROVIDE THAT, UH, UM, I GUESS A PROPOSAL, A ROSY PROPOSAL THAT MAKES LOOK LIKE, OKAY, MAYBE THIS WOULD MAKE OUR JOB EASIER TO SHOW THAT WE ARE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE, FOR THE CITIZEN THAT HAS SELECTED US AS, UH, AS OUR FREECELL.

UM, BUT THEN THERE IS A RIGHT WAY TO SEE THOSE PROPOSALS AND THERE IS NOT SO RIGHT WAY, UH, TO CONSIDER THOSE PROPOSAL.

UM, I HAVE, WE ALL HEARD A VERY EMOTIONAL, UH, I GUESS PLEAD FROM THE CITIZEN OF LAHABRA AS WELL AS PEOPLE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, AS A JUDGE, A JUDGE JOURNEYING CITIES OF, OF LAHABRA, UH, AND ALSO, UH, JAMES LEE'S REALLY POINT BY POINT AND OF, UM, GAVE THE SUMMARY, UM, OR I GUESS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE WRONG IN THE PROPOSAL THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY,

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BY THE DEVELOPER? UM, IT'S UM, I, I REALLY WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, CITY OFFICIALS TO CONSIDER, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS TRULY, UH, UPLIFT FROM THE CITIZEN OF THE, OF THE LAW BRUH AND NOT MAKE THIS AS A COMMERCIAL, UH, DECISION.

UH, AND AS I SAID, YEAH, I MEAN, AS A, AS A, AS A ELECTED OFFICE, SO YOU DO WANT TO SHOW THAT YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING FOR THE CITIZEN, BUT LET'S DIG DEEP THROUGH AND MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION.

AND I'M HOPING THAT THIS HEARING THAT IS NOT JUST A PHARMA LADY TO DO A CHECK MARK TO SAY, YEAH, WE DID ALLOW, YOU KNOW, DAN A HUNDRED, A THOUSAND CITIZENS TO LET OPENLY SPEAK.

UM, BUT WE ARE GOING TO DO THE WAY WE THINK IS, IS, UH, THAT WE ALREADY CONSIDERED THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO FOR THE CITY.

I HOPE THAT IS THAT THIS ISN'T HAS NOT BEEN MADE.

AND, UM, AND YOU, WE NEED TO ALSO LOOK AT THE TRANSPARENCY THAT THAT DEVELOPER IS THE REASON WHY THEY ARE EXPEDITING THE PROCESS OF, UH, DEVELOPMENT AND GETTING THE APPROVAL.

WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO REALLY LOOK AT, UH, UM, FROM THE POINT OF SAYING WHAT IS A REALLY HIDDEN MOTIVE BEHIND IT AND WHY THE CITY IS ENOUGH LAHABRA IS, IS REALLY OPPOSING IN THE RATIO OF 10 TO ONE AS MR. JAMES LEE POINTED OUT.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE MY, UH, TWO SIGNS HERE, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK, UH, CITY OFFICIALS ARE DOING.

AND I'M HOPING THAT THE DECISION WILL BE MADE APPROPRIATELY THAT, UH, REALLY RACIST, THAT REALLY, UM, SYNCHRONIZES WITH, WITH THE, UH, WITH THE CITIZEN OF LABRA.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHARING ALL THAT WITH US.

WE DEFINITELY APPRECIATE IT.

HAVE A GOOD NEXT YEAR.

THANK YOU.

AND NEXT WEEK, OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE STAR, NOT M PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE.

UM, MY NAME IS DARNA MED PILE THAT'S D A R N A.

THE LAST NAME IS M A G P A Y O.

AND I WAS A RESIDENT OF LA OPERA AND HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA FOR 44 YEARS.

AND FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO SAY I, UM, I MISSED THE MEETING YESTERDAY BECAUSE I WASN'T ABLE TO JOIN THE ZOOM MEETING.

I'M NOT REALLY FAMILIAR WITH ZOOM, AND I WONDER HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE AREN'T EITHER.

SO, UM, I MISSED A LITTLE BIT, SO I HOPE I'M NOT REPEATING STUFF, BUT, UM, I'VE SHARED TONIGHT BECAUSE I AM DEEPLY CONCERNED AND HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RANCHO LA HOPPER PROJECT AND, UM, THE, BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS, I'LL JUST ASK ONE FOR TONIGHT.

UM, WHY WOULD IT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA TO CONTINUE WITH THE RANCHO LA OPERA PROJECT? THIS IS MY PILE.

I, I, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, BUT UNFORTUNATELY CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING COMMENTARY.

THE IDEA IS WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO HEAR IS HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT THE PROJECT.

SO I'M AFRAID WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T DO THE Q AND A THING, BUT WE'RE VERY INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY.

SO, UM, PEOPLE WISHING TO LEARN ABOUT OUR CITY CAN GET INFORMATION IN LA IS PUBLIC WEBSITE, AND IT SAYS THERE THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR PLANTS, ADAPT TO OUR CHANGING ENVIRONMENT AND MAKE CHOICES THAT BENEFIT US ALL AND PRESERVE OUR FUTURE.

AND THAT'S A GOOD STATEMENT FOR OUR CITY.

AND IF THIS IS PART OF LA OPERA'S MISSION STATEMENT, IT'S ONE THAT WE CAN ALL EMBRACE AND SUPPORT AND DEFEND.

AND I BELIEVE THAT REZONING, THE CURRENT PUBLIC OPEN SPACE THAT IS WESTERN GOLF COURSE IS NOT ALIGNED WITH THAT STATEMENT AND SAID DIFFERENTLY.

THE CURRENT AS A RECREATIONAL AREA BRINGS THE RESIDENTS JOY, AND IT ENHANCES THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

IT PROTECTS THE PLANS AND FRANKLY IS JUST PHYSICALLY BEAUTIFUL.

AND I TRULY BELIEVE THAT IT'S A POINT OF PRIDE FOR THE CITIZENS OF LAHABRA AND THAT'S, THOSE ARE ALL POINTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY STATEMENT THAT I EARLIER REFERENCED.

UM, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE FALLING POINTS IN THE AIR THAT WAS SENT

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OUT BECAUSE IT STATED STUFF LIKE THE LOSS OF A MAJOR OPEN SPACE RESOURCE WILL DEGRADE THE EXISTING VISUAL CHARACTER OF THE SITE.

UM, TRAFFIC WILL BE SIGNIFICANT AND UNAVOIDABLE, AND THE CITY WILL HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO IMPLEMENT THE RECOMMENDED TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS.

THE PROJECT INCONSISTENT WITH THE AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE SOUTH COAST AIR BASIN, AND THE GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS WILL INCREASE THE S C H Q M D SCREENING THRESHOLD BY MORE THAN 3000 MTC TWOS PER YEAR.

I ALSO COMMUNICATED WITH THE DIRECTOR'S OFFICE OF THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE.

AND BASED ON THE INFORMATION THEY PROVIDED, I AM QUESTIONING IF THE PROPOSED PROJECT POTENTIALLY VIOLATES THE CURRENT DEED RESTRICTION UNDER THE PREVIOUS LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN.

IMPORTANTLY, THE OFFICE INFORMED ME THAT THE DEPARTMENT SHARES OUR CONCERNS REGARDING THE IMPACTS TO THE FLORA AND FAUNA AT WESTBRIDGE GOLF COURSE.

IF THE PROJECT MOVES FORWARD AS DESCRIBED IN THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD VOTE TO REZONE THIS AREA, KNOWING THAT IT IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY.

THE LAST LARGE OPEN SPACE SHOULD NOT BE DESTROYED.

ALTHOUGH THE GOLF COURSE IS PRIVATELY OWNED.

IT IS USED AND ENJOYED BY MANY LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS PRACTICE THERE AND HAVE TOURNAMENTS THERE.

AND THE GOLF COURSE IS BUSY WITH PLAYERS AND TOURNAMENTS, AND THE DRIVING RANGE IS ALWAYS BUSY.

UM, THERE'S ALSO STATEMENTS THAT ARE MADE BY THE BUILDER SAYING THINGS LIKE THE QUESTION ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE WESTRIDGE GOLF COURSE HAS ALREADY BEEN DECIDED.

AND THAT MAKES ME A LITTLE NERVOUS, CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY CAN SAY THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN DECIDED, UM, WHEN THEY BUILT HER AUNTS, UH, LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY BUILT WEST HILLS AND WESTRIDGE AND THE LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN, AND THEY'VE TORN DOWN ALL THAT OPEN SPACE THAT WAS UP THERE AND BUILT THOSE HOUSES THERE IN THE LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN.

I THOUGHT THAT THE GOLF COURSE AND THE TRAILS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE PROMISED, PROMISED AS OPEN SPACES AND THE TRAILS THAT ARE THERE.

I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHEN THEY'VE BEEN OPENED OR MAINTAINED, THEY'VE BEEN LOCKED AND INACCESSIBLE.

AND IF THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE PROMISING PARKS AND OTHER TRAILS AGAIN, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THOSE PROMISES? AND THE GOLF COURSE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ZONED AS A GOLF COURSE AS AN EXCHANGE FOR BUILDING WEST HILLS IN WESTRIDGE.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I HAD THOUGHT.

SO IF THEY REZONE IT TO A GOLF COURSE, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S RIGHT.

UM, I HOPE THAT THE CITY LISTENS TO THE PLEAS OF THEIR CITIZENS.

I KNOW THERE ARE RESIDENTS THAT ARE UNABLE TO COMMENT ON THEIR OPINIONS AS THEY FEEL IT IS HOPELESS OR ENGLISH IS NOT THEIR FIRST LANGUAGE, OR THEY JUST CAN'T, UM, ACCESS THE ZOOM MEETING, UM, BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER OR WHAT HAVE YOU, OR THEY JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET ON, LIKE I WAS HAVING TROUBLE WITH.

UM, SO PLEASE HEAR US AND FOLLOW WHAT YOUR OWN WEBSITE SAYS AND MAKE A CHOICE THAT WILL BENEFIT US ALL AND PRESERVE OUR FEATURE.

AND I THANK YOU FOR LISTENING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE.

WE THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING AND FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

THANKS AGAIN VERY MUCH.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

NEXT WE WILL HEAR, UM, FROM JOHN SCOTTY, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

I WILL MEET YOU, MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

OKAY.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

ALL RIGHT.

I AM NOT JOHN, BUT I AM HIS WIFE.

I'M HIS WIFE, CINDY SCOTTY.

IT'S C Y N D Y.

AND IT IS SCO.

TTI IS THE LAST GAME I LIVE ON FLORIDA COURTS IN LAHABRA.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA FOR 21 YEARS.

PRIOR

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TO THAT, WE LIVED IN WEST LOS ANGELES, LEFT WEST LOS ANGELES BECAUSE OF TRAFFIC, UH, CAME OUT HERE TO THIS SWEET LITTLE COMMUNITY, WHICH I HAVE TO SAY AN AMEN TO LAURA RODRIGUEZ, BECAUSE IT REALLY IS A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY HERE.

AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WONDERFUL FRIENDS HERE.

UM, I WAS NOT ABLE TO, UH, GET ONLINE LAST NIGHT.

SO FORGIVE ME IF I'M REPEATING ANYTHING.

UM, OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC I'M SURE WAS ADDRESSED.

UM, BUT SOMETHING REALLY INTERESTING TO ME.

SOMEBODY BROUGHT UP, UH, TOXINS IN THE SOIL.

UM, IF THESE EARTH MOVERS COME IN AND START TEARING UP THE SOIL BENEATH US, BECAUSE I DO LIVE IN WEST RIDGE, UM, I HAVE TO SAY WITHIN A YEAR OF, UH, PURCHASING OUR PROPERTY HERE, WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST, UM, HOMEOWNERS IN THIS COMMUNITY WESTRIDGE.

UM, I, UH, WAS DIAGNOSED WITH LUPUS, WHICH IS AN AUTOIMMUNE DISEASE ON MY ONE STREET ALONE.

TWO MORE PEOPLE WERE DIAGNOSED WITH AUTOIMMUNE DISEASES.

SO I JUST, I HAD A QUESTION THERE ABOUT, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL SOIL.

UM, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING TO THAT.

THERE MAY BE MORE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE DEALING WITH THE SAME ISSUES THAT I'M DEALING WITH.

UM, SO JUST A QUESTION ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SPOKE ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE, THE SOIL.

UM, I KNOW OUR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, UH, WHO MOVED IN, UM, RIGHT AFTER WE DID, THEY WANTED TO PUT A POOL IN AND THEY COULD ONLY DESIGNATE THEIR POOL TO ONE AREA OF THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WERE ON A CAPPED OIL.

WELL, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PROPERTY BELOW WHERE THE GOLF COURSE SAYS, I'M SURE THERE ARE MORE CAP OIL WELLS DOWN THERE.

UM, SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

I JUST, UH, CONCERNS THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP AND, UM, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING REALLY APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING TO ALL OF US.

AND IT MEANS A LOT.

UM, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS, CITIZENS HERE.

WE LOVE OUR CITY AND, UM, WE NEED OPEN SPACE NOW MORE THAN EVER.

SO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR LISTENING.

THANK YOU, MS. SCOTTY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

I'M GLAD YOU MADE IT ON TONIGHT.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM VANI SCOTT, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

I WILL UNMUTE YOU, MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HI, MY NAME IS CLIFF SCAVENGER.

THAT'S SPELLED CLI F F S C H E L L E N G E R A, MY WIFE AND I LIVE IN THE COUNTRY HILLS WEST NEIGHBORHOOD, JUST WEST OF THIS PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

UM, SO MANY PEOPLE TONIGHT HAVE SPOKEN VERY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT LAHABRA AND, AND ALL OF THE, UM, THE THINGS THAT MAKE LAHABRA SPECIAL.

AND I, I WON'T, I WON'T TALK ABOUT THOSE, BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH, THE TRAFFIC ISSUE, WE, WE GO A LOT.

WE DRIVE A LOT SOUTH AND WEST OF HERE AND OUR TRAFFIC APP ALWAYS TELLS US TO GO OVER TO BEACH BOULEVARD AND, AND GET ON BEACH BOULEVARD AND GO DOWN AND JUST TO GET FROM MY HOUSE TO THE CORNER OF BEACH AND RAM AND IMPERIAL TO TURN ON BEACH TAKES AT LEAST 10 MINUTES, SOMETIMES 15.

AND IT'S RIDICULOUS.

AND YOU KNOW, YOU COULD SAY THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA IS TRAFFIC PROGRAMMING IS HORRIBLE OR WHATEVER ONE, BUT THERE'S JUST, IT'S A VERY DENSE AREA.

THIS IS GOING TO MAKE THAT 20 TIMES WORSE.

UM, AND THE OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS WITH, WE LIVE JUST NORTH OR SOUTH OF SANDALWOOD DRIVE, SANDALWOOD DRIVE HAS A SCHOOL ON IT.

SANDALWOOD DRIVE WILL BECOME A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE EASTERN WEST FROM THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO GET ON THE IMPERIAL HIGHWAY BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC.

THERE'S A SCHOOL ON THAT, UH, PRO ON SANDALWOOD DRIVE.

IT'S GOING TO END UP HAVING TO BE A FOUR OR SIX LANE ROAD TO HANDLE THIS TRAFFIC.

AND THEN ALL THE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS TRAFFIC THERE WHEN SCHOOL PEOPLE ARE DROPPING THEIR KIDS OFF AND PICKING THEM UP.

AND THEN THE SOCCER FIELD IS DOWN THERE AND THERE'S ALWAYS CARS ON SANDALWOOD FOR THE SOCCER.

AND THAT WHOLE AREA IS GOING TO BE

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JUST A MESS BECAUSE OF ALL THE PEOPLE TRYING TO AVOID IMPERIAL HIGHWAY TO GO, UH, EAST, UH, FROM THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.

UH, SECOND THING IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THAT WALMART THERE ON, UM, IMPERIAL AND BEACH, THAT PLACE IS CRAZY NOW.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO AVOID THAT, LIKE THE PLAGUE, BECAUSE IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S CRAZY TO TRY TO GET IN THERE AND FIND A PARKING SPACE LIKE THIS.

IT TAKES 15 MINUTES.

WE CAN DRIVE TO, UH, PLACES IN BRAY QUICKER THAN WE CAN GET THERE.

AND IT'S LESS CROWDED.

SO, YOU KNOW, TO THINK THAT THE, THE REVENUE, THE TAX REVENUE IS GOING TO INCREASE BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO FIGHT THAT, THAT, THAT WALMART AREA ANYMORE THAN THEY HAVE TO NOW, LIKE THE PEOPLE IN WHITTIER AND LLAMADO WERE SAYING THEY COME OVER HERE BECAUSE THAT'S THE CLOSEST WALMART WHERE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANYMORE.

UM, THE THIRD THING SOMEONE MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT THE DISPLACEMENT OF WILDLIFE, WE REGULARLY SEE COYOTES AND WE WERE FIGHTING A RAT PROBLEM IN OUR BACKYARD RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, RATS ARE GETTING, YOU KNOW, JUST WILDLIFE IS GETTING DISPLACED.

THIS IS GONNA MAKE THAT A LOT WORSE.

WE REGULARLY SEE COYOTES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAN, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO JUST DISAPPEAR.

THEY'RE GOING TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO THE SURROUNDING AREAS, ESPECIALLY DURING CONSTRUCTION.

AND, YOU KNOW, I WONDER ABOUT THE, THE WATER, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ENOUGH WATER IN THIS AREA TO SUPPORT THAT? AND FROM A PURELY SELFISH STANDPOINT, I WONDER WHAT IT'S GONNA DO TO OUR PROPERTY VALUES.

YOU KNOW, IF OUR PROPERTY VALUES GO DOWN, OUR PROPERTY TAXES, AREN'T GOING TO GO DOWN.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO DO TO THE PROPERTY VALUES OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS FOR THOSE OF, YOU KNOW, FOR THE LA HARBOR RESIDENTS? UM, I CAN'T IMAGINE IT'S GOING TO HELP BECAUSE SUPPLY IS I'LL GET ALL OF A SUDDEN GOING TO GO UP BY 450 HOMES OR WHATEVER IT IS.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF NEGATIVES TO THIS.

IT'S A BEAUTIFUL AREA OVER THERE.

I SEE PEOPLE WALKING OVER THERE ALL THE TIME.

I WALK OVER BY THERE ALL THE TIME.

UM, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE A TRAFFIC NIGHTMARE AND IT'S GOING TO BE SOLID HOMES.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THIS COVID OUTBREAK HAS TAUGHT US IS THE MORE DENSELY PEOPLE GET THE WORST THINGS LIKE COVID-19 ARE.

AND THAT'S WHY NEW YORK WAS SO BAD.

THAT'S WHY LA IS SO BAD.

AND YOU KNOW, NOW WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE LAHABRA EVEN MORE DANCE, SO IT CAN BE BAD.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS COVID THING, YOU KNOW, MAY THE COVID MAY GO AWAY, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER ONE BEHIND IT DOWN THE ROAD.

AND THE MORE DENSE IT BECOMES, AND THE MORE EVERYBODY HAS TO RELY ON PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC IS SO BAD, IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE IT WORSE.

SO THOSE ARE MY OPINIONS AND THANKS FROM HALF, THANKS FOR HAVING US.

AND THANKS FOR ALLOWING US TO VOICE OUR OPINIONS ON THIS.

THANK YOU, MR. SCHELL, ANDREW, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS.

THANKS AGAIN.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, SIR.

AND NEXT FOLLOWUP, PLEASE.

NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM SHELLEY, YOU PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM, MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON AND YOUR CAMERA BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HI, UM, MY NAME IS SHELLEY YOU AND MY APOLOGIES RIGHT NOW, MY VIDEO IS NOT WORKING.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE.

NOT A PROBLEM.

PERFECT.

UM, I DID JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD AS A CITIZEN OF HOMBRE, UM, IN MY OPPOSITION FOR THIS PROJECT, UM, VARIOUS PEOPLE, UM, EXCUSE ME, VARIOUS PEOPLE HAVE, UH, PR PRIOR TO ME HAVE, YOU KNOW, ELOQUENTLY SPOKE ON ALL THE REASONS WHY THIS IS A NEGATIVE PROJECT.

I PERSONALLY DID WANT TO, UH, COMMENT THAT I LIVE RIGHT ON.

FORGIVE ME.

I WILL SPELL MY NAME TOO.

MY NAME IS SHELLEY THAT'S S H E L L E Y.

LAST NAME IS SPELLED Y O O.

I LIVE ON, UH, THREE 31 SANDALWOOD.

AND SO I AM DIRECTLY, UH, NEAR THE IMPACTED AREA WHERE I WANTED TO COMMENT THE GENTLEMAN BEFORE ME HAD, UH, MY COMMENT EXACTLY THAT SANDALWOOD WILL NOW BECOME A MAJOR STREET.

AND IF ANYONE HAS EVER DRIVEN THERE WITH THE SCHOOL STARTING, UH, WITH THAT ONE STOP SIGN RIGHT THERE AFTER SANDALWOOD, WHEN YOU TURN IT IS BACK, BACKED UP THE ENTIRE WAY.

SO I LIVE RIGHT HERE.

I DEAL WITH THAT TRAFFIC EVERY SINGLE DAY, JUST TO GET TO IDAHO, TO GET OUT ON, TO MAKE IT INTO LAHABRA.

SO THE TRAFFIC IS VERY CONCERNING.

UM, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD.

I ALSO DID WANT TO NOTE THAT I DID AS A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA SHIELD, VERY DISRESPECTED FROM LAMAR, UM, THEIR PRESENTATION YESTERDAY.

IT WAS JUST VERY CONDESCENDING, UM, BRINGING IN COMMUNITY LIKE THE LADY SPOKE ABOUT AND, UH, PRIOR, AND BASICALLY TREATING OUR CONCERNS AS IF IT DIDN'T REALLY MATTER.

AND WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WAS BEST FOR OUR CITY.

SO AS ELECTED OFFICIALS, I DO

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APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND HEARING EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT, YOU KNOW, FOR THEIR, UM, OPINION.

AND, UM, I DO ALSO HAVE A PLEA FOR THE OPEN SPACE, I THINK IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES A LOT HOTTER, VERY GREAT LIVED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE.

I'M 41 YEARS OLD, AND THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE LIKE THIS THAT HAS OPEN SPACE WHERE YOU CAN DRIVE, UM, AND JUST SEE SOME BEAUTY AND, YOU KNOW, TAKING THAT AWAY, WE WILL DISSOLVE RIGHT INTO THE BACKGROUND OF EVERY OTHER CITY HERE IN ORANGE COUNTY.

UM, I DID ALSO HAVE A LETTER FROM ONE OF MY CONCERNS, SENIOR CITIZEN LED, UH, NEIGHBORS THAT I'D LIKE TO READ IF THAT WAS OK.

UM, HER NAME IS BELLA TAN AND SHE LIVES AT 1240 RAIN TREE DRIVE.

SHE'S 84 YEARS OLD.

UM, AND THIS IS HER LETTER THAT SHE SENT TO ME AND I'M READING IT ON, BE HER ON BEHALF.

SHE SAYS, HELLO, I'M SENDING THIS MESSAGE TO ALL THE PLANNING, COMMISSIONERS AND CITY COUNCIL.

I HAPPEN TO BE ONE OF THE UNHAPPY TAXPAYERS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

I MOVED HERE A FEW YEARS AGO, AND ONE OF THE DECIDING FACTORS OF ME BUYING A HOME HERE IN THE COMMUNITY IS THE FACT THAT I'VE FOUND THIS PLACE TO BE PEACEFUL.

IT IS NOT TOO CROWDED.

IT IS A SUBURBAN WAY OF LIFE.

I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF OPEN LANDS AND OPEN SPACES WITH LOTS OF TREES AND PALMS AND GREEN SCENERY INSTEAD OF TALL BIG HOMES.

UM, IT IS JUST A NICE CITY.

IT HAS A HINT OF A TROPICAL ATMOSPHERE.

UH, WE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND HERE ENJOY A LOT OF FRESH AIR, EVEN IN OUR OWN BACKYARDS.

I ONLY CITED A FEW GOOD REASONS FOR HAVING OPEN LAND AND OPEN SPACE, NOT TO MENTION THE HEALTH BENEFITS OF BREATHING FRESH AIR INTO YOUR LUNGS INSTEAD OF SMOKE AND SMOG AND COMING OUT OF MORE CARS AND POLLUTING THE AIR.

THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA ARE ONLY THINKING OF ONE THING, UM, MONEY FOR ONCE, PLEASE, AND TRY TO HEAR THE VOICES OF, UH, YOUR PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT IS MUCH APPRECIATED.

UM, PLEASE DON'T BUILD THE PROPOSED ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF HOMES AND PLEASE SAVE THE OPEN LANDS AND OPEN SPACE FOR THE HUMANLY CAUSE.

UM, AND THIS IS FROM BELLA TAN.

UM, SHE LIVES ON ONE, TWO, FOUR, ZERO RAIN TREE DRIVE.

SHE'S 84 YEARS OLD.

I'M DOING HER ASSISTANCE IN READING THIS.

SHE DID NOT HAVE AN INTERNET.

UM, ONCE AGAIN, MY NAME IS SHELLEY YOU AND I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY OPINION, UM, UH, IN PROPO IN JUST FOR, UM, NOT TO NOT APPROVE THIS PROJECT.

MY APOLOGIES, UM, MY CHILDREN OVER HERE ARE TRYING TO GET ON THIS CALL AS WELL.

UM, BUT YES, TRAFFIC IS THE MAIN CONCERN.

THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS ARE VERY CONCERNING AND I ACTUALLY, THE COMPANY I WORK FOR DESIGN, UM, DEVELOPS NEW PROJECTS.

WE PROPOSE, YOU KNOW, PUT TOGETHER OUR OWN EIRS AND ANYTIME THERE'S ANY TYPE OF BACKING FROM LIKE THE CALIFORNIA FISH AND GAME AND WILDLIFE, LIKE, IT JUST SEEMS VERY, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REALLY LOOK AT THESE LETTERS FROM THESE PEOPLE.

CAUSE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ENDANGERED SPECIES AND THE FLORAL AND THE ENVIRONMENT OUT THERE, AND IT NEEDS TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT BECAUSE IN THE FUTURE, IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE CITIES TO BE, YOU KNOW, LESS GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.

SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY COMMENT.

I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME READ THE LUFTHANSA LETTER.

UM, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU EVERYONE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MS. YEAH, WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR CONTRIBUTION.

ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I SEE IT'S NOW EIGHT OH TWO.

WE'VE BEEN GOING AT IT FOR ABOUT A LITTLE OVER 90 MINUTES.

NOW THIS IS AN EXCELLENT TIME TO TAKE A QUICK HEALTH BREAK.

WE WILL STAND IN RECESS FOR 10 MINUTES AND I WILL RECONVENE THE MEETING AT EIGHT 12.

UH, AGAIN, YOU WILL NOT BE, UH, BOOTED OFF AND, UH, ANYBODY ON STAFF CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT WE CAN JUST LET THE SCREEN SIT RIGHT WHERE IT IS ON WHATEVER DEVICE YOU'RE USING.

AND WE'LL BE BACK AT EIGHT 12.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

DO WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER? BERNAY THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER POWELL HERE? I'M HERE FOR THE COMMISSIONER MUNOZ AND VICE CHAIR.

MANLY.

I AM HERE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANDREW.

ARE YOU THERE? I AM HERE AND VERONICA IS READY TO ROLL.

YES, SIR.

I WILL NOW CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.

WE ARE CURRENTLY HEARING FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

AND BEFORE WE BEGIN, VERONICA, COULD YOU TAKE A QUICK LOOK AND AGAIN, UPDATE US ON THE STATUS OF THE QUEUE.

THERE ARE CURRENTLY EIGHT PEOPLE ON HOLD, WAITING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

THE NEXT CALLER IS DANNY CARDENA.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

I AM A MEETING.

YOU PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON.

AND IF YOU HAVE A CAMERA, TURN IT ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HI, MY NAME IS DANNY , D A N I S C A R D E N A S.

I LIVE RIGHT BEHIND, UH, I'M ON DEXFORD DRIVE BEHIND COSTCO, SO STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT FOR

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A COUPLE OF REASONS.

SO, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO POINT OUT ONCE AGAIN, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN FAVOR OF THIS WERE ONLY TWO PEOPLE LIVE IN THE HARBOR AND THE REST FOR SURROUNDING AREAS, OR EVEN AS FAR AS OXNARD.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.

AND SECOND OF ALL, I LIKE TO PRAISE MICHELLE ON MAKING ALL THOSE GREAT POINTS YESTERDAY.

GREAT QUESTIONS BY THE WAY.

UM, AND THIRD OF ALL, I'M A PARENT.

AND THE REASON WHY I DECIDED TO RAISE MY FAMILY HERE WAS BECAUSE OF THE SMALL CITY TOWN ATMOSPHERE THAT LAHABRA GAVE TO US.

NOW, I'M REALLY CONCERNED AS TO HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? I HAVE THREE LITTLE ONES AND THEY'RE ALREADY ATTENDING SCHOOL.

AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ATTENDING OUT FOR FIVE AND ALREADY YOU CAN SEE HOW IT'S LOCATED IN A SMALL STREET.

AND WHEN YOU GO PICK UP YOUR KIDS ALREADY, IT TAKES ABOUT 30 MINUTES TO EVEN DROP OFF AND PICK UP.

AND I COULD, I BET YOU THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BUILD ALL THE WAY TO BEACH STREETS.

I'M REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT ALL THOSE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OR THE SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN BUILT, LIKE WHAT, 1940S.

SO THEY'RE SMALL SCHOOLS.

IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SUSTAINABLE TO HAVE ALL THIS KIDS.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MANY SCHOOLS.

AND AS A PARENT, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THIS WHOLE PARK THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL TO BUILD.

THAT'S GOING TO BE BUILT IN THIS AREA, IN THIS TOXIC AREA.

THERE IS NO WAY THAT I WOULD HAVE MY KIDS PLAY IN THIS EXPOSED AREA OF OIL DEPOSIT.

THERE'S NO WAY I WANT MY KIDS EXPOSED TO ANY CHEMICALS WHATSOEVER.

AND THE OTHER POINT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IS HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, JUST LIKE BACK IN MARCH, WE ATTENDED A MEETING WITH ONE OF THE DETECTIVES DID DISCLOSE THAT HE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THERE'S LIMITED MANPOWER.

SO HOW ARE IT'S REALLY GONNA IMPACT THEM, UM, WITH RESOURCES.

AND LASTLY, ONE OF THE OTHER POINTS I WANT TO MAKE OUT, UH, MAKE IS THAT IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE HAVE ALREADY BUILT ENOUGH IN THE HARBOR.

THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC.

NOW, THERE'S MORE HOMES.

I DON'T SEE A NEED TO BUILD ANY MORE HOMES IN LAHABRA.

THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

UM, THERE'S ALREADY ENOUGH TRAFFIC GOING ON.

LIKE I SAID, THIS IS ONLY GOING TO ADD TO THE POLLUTION IN OUR AIR, AND EVERYBODY KNOWS THERE'S MORE POLLUTION.

THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS IN OUR AREA.

I MEAN, THE REASON WHY WE CHOSE LAHABRA IS BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF AWAY FROM THREE WAYS.

AND NOW ADDING THAT TO IT, WE'RE EXPOSING OUR KIDS TO MORE TOXIC, MORE POLLUTION.

AND I DON'T WANT THAT FOR MY KIDS.

AND SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED AND I HIGHLY, HIGHLY, STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT.

I WOULD FEEL THAT A LOT OF PARENTS ALSO FEEL THIS WAY AS WELL.

UM, THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.

OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER I HAVE ON MUTED.

YOU PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM, MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE ADDRESSING THEM.

YES.

HI, UH, MY NAME IS EDITH CASTILLO AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, I'M AN ABLE TO, UH, LET'S SEE FOR WHATEVER REASON, I'M NOT ABLE TO, UM, TURN MY VIDEO CAMERA ON.

SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

OKAY, GREAT.

MY, UH, AGAIN, MY NAME IS EDITH CASTILLO, SPELLING IT FOR THE RECORD IS E D I T H.

LAST NAME S T I L L O MUCH LIKE LAURA RODRIGUEZ.

I ALSO LIVE IN THE CAMP, UM, AND I'M PROUD TO LIVE HERE.

I'VE LIVED ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES, UH, IN WASHINGTON, DC AND DETROIT, MICHIGAN.

I'VE LIVED INTERNATIONALLY AND I CHOSE TO COME BACK TO CALIFORNIA AND RAISE MY FAMILY HERE IN, IN THE CAMP.

AND SO I'M VERY PROUD TO LIVE HERE.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA.

UM, I DO HAVE TO SAY THOUGH THAT I WAS DISMAYED YESTERDAY BY ANDREWS, UH, ANDREW CON'S BASELESS ACCUSATIONS OF NIMBYISM, HIS COMMENTS WERE PATRONIZING AND CONDESCENDING AND IT, HE COMPLETELY UNDERESTIMATED THE SOPHISTICATION AND INTELLIGENCE OF LAHABRA RESIDENTS.

HIS COMMENTS I FELT WERE THREATENING, AND I ALSO FELT THAT, UH, HE REALLY DOES NOT GET A SENSE OF WHAT THIS COMMUNITY IS ABOUT.

AND I FIND THAT IRONIC IN MANY WAYS, BECAUSE FOR THE PAST YEAR, UH, OR ALMOST TWO YEARS HAS BEEN DOING INTENSIVE WORK, UH, ATTENDING VARIOUS COMMUNITY MEETINGS.

HE'S GONE TO THE HABIT OR, UM, I DON'T KNOW THE ANDREW HIMSELF HAS, BUT I KNOW LAMAR HAS GONE TO THE LAHABRA

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COLLABORATIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE BOARD MEETING AND THE, AND THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE MEETING AND HAVE MADE PRESENTATIONS.

THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE PRESENTATIONS THAT HAS MADE TO THIS COMMUNITY.

AND YET, DESPITE ALL OF THIS INTENSIVE WORK, LABORIOUS WORK TO GET THE COMMUNITY ON BOARD, THEY WERE UNABLE TO FIND PEOPLE TO COME AND SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

THEY WERE ABLE TO GET PEOPLE FROM OCHSNER TO COME.

NO PROBLEM.

UH, YOU KNOW, KENNETH STALL FROM IRVINE, BUT YET LA HARBOR RESIDENTS ARE DEEPLY IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT.

I UNDERSTAND WHY I'M ALSO NOT AGAINST DEVELOPMENT.

I UNDERSTAND DEVELOPMENT HAPPENS IN CITIES.

UM, WHAT I'M OPPOSED TO IS THE, THE FACT THAT THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA CONTINUES TO SHORT CHANGE ITS RESIDENTS.

WE, YOU ACCEPT PEANUTS ON BEHALF OF OUR RESIDENTS.

WE SHOULD BE GETTING A ROBUST COMMUNITY BENEFITS.

OH, FUN FROM LINDAR AND FROM ANY DEVELOPER WHO COMES IN, WANTS TO DEVELOP IN THE HOT BREATH.

I WENT TO CITY COUNCIL AND I PROPOSED A PROJECT ON MONTEVISTA AND WE GOT PEANUTS FOR THAT ONE TO REDUCE PARKING REDUCED AFFORDABLE UNITS.

IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE CITY.

THE CITIZENS OF LAHABRA THAT YOU CONTINUE TO SHORT CHANGE THIS COMMUNITY.

AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE THINKING YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS, I UNDERSTAND YOU AS THE CITY COMMISSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ARE NOT, ARE NOT ELECTED OFFICIALS.

YOU'RE APPOINTED OFFICIALS, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT YOU ALSO WORK FOR US.

AND SO I'M GRATEFUL THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO LISTEN TO OUR CONCERNS, BUT THAT IS YOUR JOB.

AND I DO APPRECIATE THAT MICHELLE BERNIER WAS SO INCREDIBLY PREPARED AND ASK THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.

I REALLY FELT THAT HER PARTICIPATION IN THIS, IN THIS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND IN THIS HEARING, SHE ASKED THE QUESTION SHE'S REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE THAT, BUT AGAIN, DO NOT SUPPORT THIS PROJECT.

I DON'T THINK THAT SHORTCHANGING THIS COMMUNITY IS FAIR TO THIS COMMUNITY.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE MANY, MANY RED FLAGS THAT YOU CAN SEE, UH, WHETHER IT'S FROM ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, WHETHER IT'S INCREASED POLLUTION AND TRAFFIC, UH, JOE FAUST MADE SOME EXCELLENT POINTS YESTERDAY ABOUT MITIGATION AND THE FACT THAT WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC.

I THINK ALL OF THOSE THINGS REALLY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT.

AND I THINK THAT EVEN I, I WORKED IN DETROIT, I WORKED ON BROWNFIELD SITES.

I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS 20 YEARS AFTER YOU BUILT ON A BROWNFIELD OR ON A SUPERFUND SITE, YOU START SEEING CLUSTERS OF CANCER COME UP.

AND SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT AGAIN, DO NOT FOR CHANGE THIS COMMUNITY.

THIS COMMUNITY HAS SEPARATE ENOUGH.

YOU CANNOT BUILD AND BUILD AND BUILD WITHOUT HAVING PROPER MITIGATION STRATEGIES IN PLACE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. STEEL.

WE APPRECIATE IT YOUR TIME.

NEXT WEEK, PLEASE.

NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE AMY WILLIAMS, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE CALLING FROM.

MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HI, MY NAME IS AMY WILLIAMS SPELLED A M Y W I L L I A M S.

I LIVED IN, WE HEARD FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAD LIVED IN LA HOPPER FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, AND I THINK THEIR OPINIONS ARE DEFINITELY VALID.

UM, SO I GUESS MY PERSPECTIVE IS ONE FROM A SOMEWHAT NEW LA HOPPER RESIDENT.

I MOVED TO LA HABRA ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.

UM, I'VE BEEN MARRIED FOR ONE YEAR, SO, UM, I'M IN A YOUNG WORRY YOUNGER COUPLE.

AND THE REASON WE MOVED TO ABRA IS BECAUSE IT WAS A MORE COMMUNITY ORIENTED AREA.

UM, I WAS A REALLY BIG FAN OF HOW THERE WAS A LOT OF OPEN SPACE.

UM, THE HOPPER HIGH SCHOOL ACTUALLY HAS LIKE AN AGRICULTURE PROGRAM, WHICH I THINK IS AWESOME.

NOT A LOT OF ORANGE COUNTY HIGH SCHOOLS HAVE THAT SORT OF PROGRAM.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS KIND OF FALLEN OFF THE BOOKS FOR ORANGE COUNTY CITIES IN GENERAL.

UM, I THINK THIS PROJECT IN GENERAL IS SOMETHING THAT PUTS LAHABRA IN THE WRONG DIRECTION.

SO I THINK IT KIND OF PUTS LAHABRA IN A MORE CITY ORIENTED, CONGESTED, CROWDED, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST CIVIC,

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OVERCROWDED MINDSET IN GENERAL, WHEN LAHABRA IS SUPPOSED BE A MORE OPEN FARM COMMUNITY KIND OF THING KIND OF THING.

AND WHICH IS WHY I MOVED HERE.

SO I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE TOUCHED ON GREAT REASONS WHY NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT THAT I AGREE WITH.

AND, UM, YOU WERE INTERESTED IN STAYING IN THE AREA FOR THE LONG HAUL, BUT IF THINGS BECOME CONGESTED AND CROWDED, LIKE OTHER OTHER AREAS OF LA WILL THINK OTHERWISE, BUT THAT'S JUST MY 2 CENTS.

THANK YOU, MS. WILLIAMS, WE APPRECIATE THOSE 2 CENTS.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

AND NEXT DAY, PLEASE.

NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM T BLAINE, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON MUTE AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMITTEE.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

HI, I'M TRYING TO TURN ON MY, UH, MY, UH, CAMERA RIGHT NOW.

MY NAME IS TOM BLANE.

UM, I LIVE ON 1800 SOUTH WATSON IN LAHABRA.

I'VE BEEN IN LA LAHABRA RESIDENCE FOR OVER 44 YEARS.

UH, THE REASON WHY I MOVED TO LA HOMBRE WAS TO RAISE A FAMILY.

UM, I DID THAT ON MONTWOOD FOR OVER 24 YEARS.

WHEN THIS FIRST DEVELOPMENT WESTBRIDGE OPENED UP, I WAS STOOD IN LINE TO GET IN, TO BUY A PROPERTY HERE.

BEFORE THAT I TALKED TO THE LATE GREAT STEVE ANDERSON, WHO WAS A FORMER MAYOR OF LAHABRA IN CITY COUNCILPERSON FOR MANY, MANY YEARS.

I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHERE, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE THE DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH THAT MADE LAHABRA STAND OUT AND WHY I WANTED TO STAY IN LA HABRA.

AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I INVESTED UP HERE AND MOVED MY FAMILY UP TO WESTRIDGE DID PAY A PREMIUM OF OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR A LOT.

I DIDN'T MIND THAT BECAUSE I WANTED A VIEW.

I WAS TOLD WHEN PULLING PERMITS FROM LAHABRA FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THAT I WOULD NEVER HAVE ANYBODY BEHIND ME BECAUSE IT WAS ZONED THAT WAY, THAT DON'T WORRY ABOUT EVER GETTING BASICALLY ANY ZONE VARIANCES, WHICH I WAS ASKING FOR.

AND WHEN THEY LOOKED AT MY PLANS, I SAID, DON'T WORRY, MR. BLAINE, THAT YOU DON'T NEED THOSE BECAUSE BASICALLY YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE NEIGHBORS OVER YOUR BACKYARD.

NOW, HERE WE ARE 20 YEARS LATER, AND BASICALLY WE WANT TO REZONE A GIANT GREEN BELT, THE LAST BIG GREEN BELT THAT LAHABRA HAS AND THE TRAFFIC ALONE, MY BUSINESS IS IN BRAILLE.

SO I TRAVELED DOWN TO ALMOST, UH, A BRAY, A BOULEVARD THAT TRAVEL COULD TAKE ME 15 MINUTES TO SOMETIMES 45 MINUTES, DEPENDING ON TRAFFIC.

TRAFFIC IS UNBEARABLE AROUND HERE RIGHT NOW.

AND BASICALLY ALL THE POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP FROM ALL THE OTHER SPEAKERS ARE WELL POINTED.

I DON'T WANT TO BEAT THEM LIKE A DEAD HORSE, BUT HERE IN LA HOMBRE, WE DON'T HAVE THE CHOICE OF BASICALLY ANY MORE GREEN BELTS THAT WE CAN OPEN UP.

THEY'RE GOING AWAY.

AND ONCE THEY GO AWAY, THERE'S NO WAY OF BRINGING THEM BACK.

WE'RE HAVING A DEVELOPER COME IN HERE WHO WAS ONE OF THE DEVELOPERS IN HERE WHO IS NOW COMING IN HERE WANTING TO TAKE THE LAND.

AND BASICALLY I KNOW AFTER SITTING, I'VE BEEN IN MANY OF THE MEETINGS AND BASICALLY HAVE PUT MY, MY 2 CENTS IN AS I WAS GOING TO SAY, UH, BEING AGAINST THE PROJECT, BUT HERE, RIGHT NOW, THERE THERE'S THERE.

YOU CAN HEAR THE OUTCRY FROM THE CITY.

THE CITIZENS OF LAHABRA DO NOT WANT THIS AT ALL.

AND THAT HAS TO STAND FOR BASICALLY SOMETHING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO LOOK AT AND LISTEN TO THE CITIZENS.

BESIDES THE DEVELOPER, AFTER THE VERY FIRST MEETING THAT JIM AND I SAT IN AND SAT IN THERE AND LISTENED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

AFTER EVERYONE LEFT IN, HEARD ABOUT THEIR BUDGET, IT WAS ABOUT A BUDGETARY FALL.

THAT BASICALLY IN ABOUT TWO YEARS, THE CITY OF LA HABRA WAS GOING TO BE NOT FINANCIALLY SOUND AND THEY NEEDED THIS PROJECT.

SO BE GUMS, A DOLLARS AND CENTS THAT I SEE IT AND, YOU KNOW, DOLLARS AND CENTS TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.

THAT'S DOESN'T

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MAKE SENSE.

SO ALL I'M GOING TO SAY IS I HOPE THE PLANNING COMMISSION REALLY LISTENS TO ALL THE VOTERS AND LISTENS TO THEM DEARLY, NOT JUST TO THEIR POCKET BOOK, BUT LISTENS TO THE LIVELIHOOD AND THE LIFESTYLE THAT LAHABRA CITIZENS HAVE ENJOYED THIS LONG.

I'LL TELL YOU THAT IF THIS GOES THROUGH, I'LL BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN LAHABRA FOR 43 YEARS, THAT WILL BE LEAVING LAHABRA BECAUSE I SEE THIS WILL BE JUST ONE GIGANTIC TRAFFIC JAM, GOING DOWN BEACH, IDAHO, AND IMPERIAL.

WHEN YOU ADD THAT MANY HOMES, YOU ADD THAT MANY CARS, YOU, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T MITIGATE THAT.

YOU JUST CAN'T.

AND YOU KNOW THAT.

SO IT'S JUST BASICALLY COMES DOWN TO, I SEE IT FOR THE CITY TO MAKE A DECISION IS DOLLARS AND CENTS.

SO THAT'S MY 2 CENTS FOR THE NIGHT FOLKS.

I THANK YOU FOR MY TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. BLAINE.

WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, SIR.

NEXT PAPER PLEASE.

OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER.

YOU HAVE BEEN UN-MUTED PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

ALRIGHT.

MY NAME IS GERARD RUDD, G E R A R D R U D D.

I LIVE IN COUNTRY HILLS, WEST, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT THAT'S BEING TALKED ABOUT.

I'VE LIVED IN LA HARBOR, STARTING IN 1975.

WE'VE SEEN MANY DEVELOPMENTS GO, UH, IN THE IMPERIAL HIGHWAY AREA.

WHEN THEY TOOK OUT MONKEY ISLAND, THEY BUILT THE POST OFFICE.

THEY TOOK OUT THE WETLANDS NEXT DOOR.

THEY BUILT THE CONDOS.

THEY TOOK OUT THE DRIVE IN THEATER AND HE TOOK OUT, WHICH WAS A GOOD THING.

WHEN CHEVRON LEFT.

HEY, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT, GREAT JOB DEVELOPING THAT AREA.

HOWEVER, YOU CREATED A HIGH TRAFFIC HIGH PROBLEM AREA, THIS PROJECT WITH ALL ITS OTHER CHALLENGES WILL JUST BECOME A DREAM TRAFFIC PROBLEM.

AM I BEING HURT? OH YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OKAY, EXCELLENT.

UH, YOU YOU'VE GOT OTHER PROPERTIES IN LA HARBOR NEXT TO THE MEDICAL FACILITY THAT WAS BUILT ON IMPERIAL.

YOU'VE GOT A LARGE PLOT OF LAND.

YOU'VE GOT A LARGE PLOT OF LAND ON BEACH AND, UH, LA UH, LAMBERT.

THAT IS UNDEVELOPED THAT COULD BE UTILIZED FOR SMALLER PROJECTS THAT WOULDN'T IMPACT ONE AREA SO SIGNIFICANTLY.

SO IT'S NOT THAT DEVELOPMENT WON'T HAPPEN.

UH, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB DEVELOPING LAHABRA TO THIS POINT.

IT'S GROWN FROM A SMALL LITTLE FARMING COMMUNITY WHEN THE RAILROAD LINE FIRST CAME IN AND TO A, A BEAUTIFUL CITY THAT STILL RETAINS THAT SMALL TOWN FEELING.

IF, IF YOU DON'T PUSH IT FURTHER, YOU CAN RETAIN THAT.

UH, AND THAT'S ALL OUR, OUR RESIDENTS HERE IN LAHABRA JUAN.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. ROY, RODNEY.

APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, SIR.

AND NEXT DAY COMPLETES.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM CASEY ENTERPRISE, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

I HAVE A MUTE.

YOU MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON AND TURN ON YOUR CAMERA BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HI, MY NAME IS K E N W A L.

LAST NAME IS E M E.

UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF LA HABRA FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS.

I'VE RAISED MY 10 YEAR OLD SON HERE AND LIVE IN WESTRIDGE COMMUNITY AND, UM, IT JUST WALKING IT DOWN.

IT'S QUITE NICE AND IT'S A LOT BETTER THAN THE OTHER CITIES.

AND WE ALSO LOVE GOING TO THE GOLF COURSE.

SO I, THE REASONS ALREADY, ALL THE SPEAKERS BEFORE ME HAVE MENTIONED IT AND I JUST WANTED TO REINFORCE

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AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MY VOICE IS HEARD AND I'M AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

UM, AND I HOPE YOU'LL HEAR THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY.

SO THAT'S ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MS. JAMES.

THANK YOU FOR, UH, FOR CONTRIBUTING.

I APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT SPEAKER PLEASE.

OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE PHONE NUMBER (714) 458-4573.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER, GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR US SPEAKER, IF YOU'RE THERE, WE'LL GIVE YOU A FEW SECONDS.

MAYBE IF YOU'RE HAVING SOME CONNECTION, DIFFICULTY.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, RODDICK, I THINK WE'LL NEED TO MOVE ON.

OKAY.

THE NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE AREA CODE (714) 404-4768.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSIONER.

GO AHEAD.

SPEAKER SPEAKER, ARE YOU THERE IN THE MEANTIME WHILE, WHILE WE ARE WAITING TO SEE IF THE SPEAKER ESTABLISHES A CONNECTION, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO ANY DIAGNOSTIC AND MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT WE'RE NOT EXPERIENCING OR THE PLATFORMS ARE EXPERIENCING ANY TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, UH, PROVIDE YOUR OPINION WHEN YOU CAN AND BY THE WAY, I'M BEING HEARD ON IT.

YES.

UH, COMMISSION, UH, THIS IS, UH, ANDREW, UH, HO DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

UH, IT'S LOOKING LIKE THE CONNECTIONS, UH, DOING WELL.

UM, SPORADICALLY.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE THAT ARE ABLE TO JOIN THE CALL AND AREN'T ABLE TO, SOMETIMES THERE'S A LAG WITH THE PHONE CALL.

YOU MAKE A VIDEO, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THROUGH THE TWO DOZEN OR SO, UM, TESTIMONY SO FAR TODAY, SOME ARE ABLE TO TURN ON THE QUICKER THAN OTHERS AND SOME AREN'T, WELL, THAT'S FINE.

AND IT'S NOT SO CRITICAL THAT THE CAMERA'S EVEN ON.

AND THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO HEAR WHAT FOLKS ARE SAYING.

SO THAT'S WHY I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO INDICATION ON OUR END THAT THEY, IF PEOPLE ARE UNABLE TO CONNECT.

SO IF IT, IF IT LOOKS THAT WAY, THEN LET'S GO BACK AGAIN AND SEE IF WE CAN, UNLESS THAT THE LAST THING WE JUST ATTEMPTED TO CONNECT TO, IF THAT PERSON'S STILL THERE, THAT'S GREAT.

OTHERWISE WE NEED TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THOSE WHO AREN'T ABLE TO JOIN THE PHONE CALL.

NOW, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO RECONNECT LATER, GO AHEAD AND RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL, WE'LL GET YOU BACK IN THE QUEUE.

SOUNDS GOOD.

EXACTLY.

ALRIGHT, SO RHONDA CAN BRING US WHEREVER YOU CAN.

OKAY.

THE NEXT SPEAKER, ROBERT, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON AND YOUR CAMERA IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU PERFECTLY.

I DON'T HAVE A CAMERA.

I'M SORRY, MY NAME, MY NAME IS ROBERT BIDDLECOME THAT'S R O B E R T B I D D L E C O M B E.

I LIVE ON GREENBRIER LANE.

UM, MY BACKYARD BUTTS UP AGAINST CREOLE HIGHWAY ON THE HILL.

UH, JUST LAST A BEACH BOULEVARD.

UM, I MOVED HERE WITH MY FAMILY IN MARCH OF 1960.

SO I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 60 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN ALL THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING.

AND THE QUALITY OF LIVING HERE PROBABLY WAS THE BEST AROUND THE MID SEVENTIES.

IT'S BEEN GOING DOWNHILL EVER SINCE.

UM, THE REASON FOR THAT

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BASICALLY IS THE TRAFFIC AND THE OVERCROWDING.

IN LAST 40 YEARS, I'VE NEVER TALKED TO ANYBODY THAT LIVED IN LAHABRA OR BRIA OR FULLERTON OR LLAMARON OR WHITTIER THAT DIDN'T COMPLAIN ABOUT TRAFFIC AND OVERCROWDING, UM, AND THAT SORT OF THING.

AND I'VE SEEN IT ALL SINCE I LIVED HERE THE WHOLE TIME.

UM, IN THE YEAR 2000, I GOT A NEW JOB AND IT USED TO TAKE ME 30 MINUTES TO DRIVE HOME.

UM, UP UNTIL I RETIRED A YEAR AGO, MY COMMUNITY TIME INCREASED TO 45 MINUTES.

THAT'S A 50% INCREASE.

AND THE WHOLE INCREASE OF THAT 15 MINUTES WAS GETTING OFF THE FIVE FREEWAY ONTO BEACH BOULEVARD AND DRIVING THE FOUR MILES FROM THE FREEWAY TO IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.

IT CHANGED FROM 10 MINUTES TO 25 MINUTES EACH WAY, EACH DAY AND MOSTLY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.

UM, WE ALL KNOW THAT THAT BEACH BOULEVARD OKAY.

IS GRIDLOCKED IN THE MORNING AND THEN EARLY EVENING, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

AND IT'S USUALLY GRIDLOCKED BEFORE COVID OF COURSE, YES.

IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY ON SATURDAY, UM, LAMBERT IS ALSO GRIDLOCKED AND CREOLE IS GRIDLOCKED FOR BEACH BOULEVARD ALL THE WAY TO THE 57 FREEWAY.

UM, FROM THE TIME I WAS A LITTLE KID IN 1960 UNTIL TODAY, I ALWAYS WRITTEN A BICYCLE.

I DO A LOT OF CYCLING.

UM, THAT GIVES ME THE PERFECT VIEW OF WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING WITH TRAFFIC.

UM, AND I WAS HOPEFULLY WANTING TO CYCLE MORE AFTER I RETIRED, BUT THERE'S TIMES OF THE DAY NOW WHERE IT'S BASICALLY SUICIDE TO RIGHT OUTSIDE MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, ESPECIALLY ON LAMBERT.

LUCKILY THE BEACH BOULEVARD HAS THE LITTLE BIKE TRAIL, UM, BUT EVERYWHERE ELSE, IT BASICALLY CAN'T HAPPEN ANYMORE.

UM, I GOT HIT BY A CAR IN LAHABRA IN 2007.

I GOT HIT BY A CAR IN 2012.

I WENT TO THE HOSPITAL EACH TIME.

OKAY.

THE LAST TIME I KNOCKED OUT ALL MY FRONT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I FEEL EVERY DAY AND IT'S REALLY SCARY TO BE CYCLING AROUND HERE NOW.

UM, I'D LIKE TO WALK DOWN TO WALMART INSTEAD OF DRIVE MY CAR, BUT CROSSING IMPERIAL AND CROSSING BEACH BOULEVARD, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S A CROSSWALK AND TRAFFIC LIGHTS IS REALLY DIFFICULT AND I'VE HAD SO MANY CLOSE CALLS AND PEOPLE ARE NOW DRIVING THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, TRYING TO AVOID THE GRIDLOCKS AT IMPERIAL AND BEACH BOULEVARD.

SO EVEN WALKING, MY DOG HAS BECOME DANGEROUS.

UM, I CAN'T AFFORD IN THE SUMMERTIME TO RUN MY AIR CONDITIONING ALL THE TIME, BUT, UH, IT'S PRETTY MUCH IMPOSSIBLE LIVING NEXT TO IMPERIAL TO OPEN THE WINDOWS NOWADAYS BECAUSE OF THE HUGE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, EVEN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT WITH ALL THE NOISE.

MMM.

IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS I'VE GOTTEN ASTHMA.

UM, I'VE HAD CHRONIC BRONCHITIS WHEN I TAKE A VACATION AND I'VE BEEN GONE FOR A WEEK, TWICE IN THE LAST YEAR, MY BREATHING GOT BETTER.

AND AS SOON AS I CAME BACK HOME, UM, IT GOT WORSE AGAIN.

AND I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S A RESULT OF ALL THE TRAFFIC INCREASES, ESPECIALLY ON IMPERIAL, WHERE I LIVE.

AND THEN OF COURSE I WANTED TO MENTION, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THEM, WASTE DUMP, WHICH WAS THE NUMBER THREE SUPERFUND SITE IN THE UNITED STATES AND THE OLD CHEVRON USA OR STANDARD OIL GILLS, BASICALLY JUST AN EXTENSION OF THAT WASTE DUMP.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY, A LOT OF POLLUTION THERE AND I DON'T THINK IT'S SO REALLY GOOD IDEA FOR PEOPLE'S HEALTH TO BE DISTURBING THE SOIL THERE AGAIN.

UM, I GUESS I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT WITH ALL THESE NEW HOUSES, THERE'S NO CHANGE IN THE HIGHWAYS.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PLAN TO WIDENING THE HIGHWAYS OR TO HELP WITH THE TRAFFIC CONGESTION PROBLEMS. SO, YEAH.

UM, AND MY LAST QUESTION AND IS ABOUT THE DISHONESTY OF THE DEVELOPER.

I'VE BEEN RECEIVING A LOT OF AUTOMATED PHONE CALLS, UM, THAT ARE SAYING

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THERE'S A PLAN FOR MORE PARK SPACE AND MORE MONEY TO HELP OUR CHILDREN.

AND THEN IT SAYS, PRESS A NUMBER AND YOU WILL BE CONNECTED DIRECTLY TO THE CITY OF LAHABRA WHERE YOU CAN LEAVE A MESSAGE SAYING YOU SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT NOWHERE IN THE PHONE MESSAGE, DO THEY SAY THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE 400 OR 450 NEW RESIDENCES? ALL IT SAYS IS NUCLEUS PARKLAND AND MORE MONEY FOR OUR CHILDREN.

UM, THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE THAT ARE PAID TO GET PEOPLE, TO SIGN PETITIONS IN FRONT OF WALMART.

AND THEY SAY THE SAME THING.

OKAY.

MORE PARKLAND FOR LAHABRA AND MORE MONEY FOR THE CHILDREN.

NEVER DID THEY MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THE HOMES AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ZIPPED PETITION SIGN SAY THAT THEY'RE A REALLY POPULAR PETITION.

PEOPLE ARE REALLY FOR IT.

UM, BUT THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE GOING TO KNOW ABOUT THE EXTRA TRAFFIC OR THE HOMES IS BY READING IT, WHICH WOULD TAKE YOU WHAT, 20 MINUTES TO READ THE FINE PRINT AND PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT.

THEY JUST SIMPLY TAKE THE WORD OF THE PERSON THAT'S SOLICITING AND THEN THEY SIGNED A PETITION.

SO, UM, AND ALSO I'VE BEEN AT THE CITY HALL A FEW TIMES IN THE LAST YEAR AND PREVIOUSLY THEY SAID 400 NEW RESIDENCES.

NOW THEY'RE SAYING WHAT 449 OR 450, WHICH IS ANOTHER CHANGE.

UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

AND THEN THE LAST THING IS ON THE LAHABRA C WEBSITE, IT SAID THERE WAS A PAUL ON THE HARBOR ROAD RESIDENCES ON WHAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE IN THE CITY.

AND LESS THAN 5% OF THE PEOPLE ON THE POLE WERE RECORDED AS SAYING TRAFFIC AND OVERCROWDING WAS A PROBLEM.

AND THAT I FEEL IS, IS DISHONEST AND NOT REPRESENTING THE TRUTH.

SO ANYWAY, I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 60 YEARS AND I CAN'T REALLY AFFORD TO MOVE AS I'M RETIRED.

NOW, I'M PRETTY DISAPPOINTED, I GUESS, ONE MORE, ONE MORE POINT, JUST GOING TO BE A LOT OF LAWSUITS BY THE RESIDENCES ABOVE THE GOLF COURSE, SINCE THEY BOUGHT THEIR PROPERTY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, IT WAS A GOLFING COMMUNITY, UM, AND THAT GOLF COURSE WOULD BE THERE.

WHO'S GOING TO PAY THE LEGAL SON, THE LEGAL FEES TO FIGHT ALL THOSE LAWSUITS.

AND AS THE CITY OF HARBOR ACTUALLY PLANNING FOR THAT.

UM, I KNOW YOU CAN'T ASK THE QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I WANTED TO BRING UP.

SO ANYWAY, AFTER 60 YEARS ON, I'M PRETTY DISAPPOINTED.

SO HOPEFULLY MY OPINION MEANS SOMETHING.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHARING YOUR OPINIONS WITH US, PLEASE.

OKAY.

NEXT WILL BE PHONE NUMBER FIVE SIX TWO SIX NINE SEVEN SEVEN, SORRY, SIX NINE SEVEN ZERO FIVE NINE ONE.

I HAVE ON MUTE AT YOU.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

SO I HAD TO BE HERE.

IF YOU CAN HEAR A SPEAKER YOU'RE ON NOW WITH THIS SPEAKER, CAN YOU HEAR US ALRIGHT? WELL FOR INQUIRIES, IT MIGHT BE ANOTHER CONNECTION CHALLENGE.

UM, SPEAKER, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, UH, AND VERONICA CAN IDENTIFY YOUR NUMBER AND YOU RAISE YOUR HAND AGAIN.

WE'LL TRY TO GET YOU BACK ON, BUT LET'S, LET'S TAKE THE NEXT CALLER.

OKAY.

NEXT IS AREA CODE (714) 525-5113.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM, MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

YES, WE'RE HERE.

OKAY.

UH, I'M JOHN DREXLER.

THAT'S J O H N D R A L L E R.

AND I'M ON, UH, COUNTRY HILLS EAST.

THEN I'M JUST A FEW HOUSES AWAY FROM, UH, OFF OF EUCLID FROM THE END OF SANDALWOOD.

AND, UH, I'VE BEEN, I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE IN LA FOR 50 YEARS, SO I'M A

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NEWCOMER.

UH, YESTERDAY I HAD NO INTENTION OF GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS, BUT AFTER LISTENING TO YESTERDAY'S SESSION, THE FULL LENGTH, UH, I FELT COMPELLED TO CHIME IN, UH, MOST OBVIOUSLY MOST OF MY COMMENTS HAVE BEEN COVERED BY THIS TIME, INCLUDING ALL THE TRAFFIC ISSUES AND, UH, MR. FALLIS PRESENTATION LAST NIGHT.

AND MR. LEE COVERED, UH, UH, VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING EARLY TODAY.

UH, I DID, UH, WAS DISTURBED BY THE PRESENTATION BY LENARA YESTERDAY.

UH, AS MENTIONED EARLIER, IT, UH, A COUPLE OF CROSSES, UH, JUST THE VERY COOKIE CUTTER PRESENTATION.

AND AS THE LADY MENTIONED EARLIER, I THOUGHT IT WAS VERY CONDESCENDING.

AND, UH, THIS MYTH OF, OF, UH, THE RESIDENT HERE OF LAHABRA, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS RELATED TO THAT.

UH, AGAIN, AS SHE MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE WAS KIND OF A, UH, UH, A SNIDE REFERENCE TO A NIMBY, NOT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD AND ALSO, UH, UH, WHAT I INTERPRETED AS, UH, VEILED THREATS, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, ARENA, UH, SITUATION AND TIMETABLE, WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE IN THE FUTURE.

THE, UH, JUST A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS.

UH, I'LL IT, AND THE PRESENTATION, UH, HAD THE SMELL OF A RAILROAD JOB.

THE, UH, I WAS MENTIONED THE, UH, COLOR IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.

UH, WE'RE MOSTLY OUT OF TOWN PROFESSIONALS.

UH, THE, I DID NOTICE, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE CALL INS HAVE BEEN, UH, MOSTLY AGAINST THE PROJECT.

UH, EVEN I NOTICED IN THE LOBBY JOURNAL, THE LAST ISSUE I SAW, THEY ARE KEEPING A RUNNING TALLY OF, UH, I THINK EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS TO THE CITY REGARDING THIS.

AND THE LAST I SAW THEY WERE RUNNING AT LEAST 20 TO ONE AGAINST THE PROJECT.

UH, THE, AND THEN ALSO THE, UH, WHAT I WOULD CALL THE BOGUS OR QUESTIONABLE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WAS USED TO USE FOR DOCUMENTATION DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT.

BUT, UH, I BASICALLY CONCUR WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING SAID TONIGHT AND, UH, UH, BE AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

I DO APPRECIATE THE COMMISSION, UH, EXTENSIVE TIME AND EFFORT ON THIS PROJECT.

I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF OPEN QUESTIONS AND ISSUES YET TO BE RESOLVED, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE COMMISSION TO, UH, THOUGHTFULLY AND DILIGENTLY PONDER THIS TO, UH, BEFORE THEY REACHED THEIR DECISION.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

UH, THANK YOU, MR. DREXEL.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AS WELL.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, SIR.

THANK YOU, PLEASE.

NEXT CALLER, ROBERT AND THE GUESTS, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON.

AND IF YOU HAVE A CAMERA, TURN IT ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MY NAME IS ROBERT AND E N R I Q U.

EASY.

I LIVE AT FIVE 28 SOUTH WALNUT.

MOHARA LIFELONG RESIDENT, BORN AND RAISED, UH, MY ISSUES.

I'M NOT DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY IT.

I DON'T LIVE THAT CLOSE.

SO OTHER THAN THE TRAFFIC AND THE ANCILLARY ISSUES THAT ARE GOING TO COME ABOUT, MY ISSUES IS WITH MISAPPROPRIATION OF FUNDS, WHICH WE KNOW IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU YOU'RE TAKING THIS PROJECT ON UNDER THE AUSPICES OF, AND I'VE HEARD IT SEVERAL TIMES, MONEY FOR THE KIDS FOR LIKE THE FUTURE.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

OKAY.

WE BOTH KNOW THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN IN THE CITY LONG ENOUGH.

THE POPULATION, SINCE I WAS A KID TO NOW HAS NOT TRIPLED OR QUADRUPLED, BUT THE AMOUNT OF CITY WORKERS HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS QUADRUPLED EVEN HAVE A SWAT TRUCK, BUT THE SERVICES HAVE GOTTEN WORSE.

THERE'S NO SERVICES TO SPEAK OF.

I'VE HAD A WATER MAIN BREAK IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, NO EXAGGERATION, SEVEN OR EIGHT TIMES IN THE LAST 10 YEARS.

EVERY TIME IT'S JUST A PATCH JOB.

THE STREET IS SO RIDDLED WITH CRACKS.

IT'S, IT'S, IT'S EMBARRASSING AND YET NOTHING GETS FIXED, BUT YOU'RE GOING TO CREATE MORE PROJECTS, SUPPOSEDLY

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TO CREATE MORE REVENUE.

WHERE DOES THIS REVENUE GO? OKAY.

LAHABRA USED TO BE A QUIET LITTLE TOWN.

LIKE I SAID, I GREW UP HERE.

WE'D PLAY FOOTBALL ON THE STREETS.

I REMEMBER GOING SWIMMING IN THE CREEK.

THAT'S DOWN THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE AT THE OLIVE DEPRESSION THERE, WHERE THE WATERMELON HAS ALSO BUSTED MANY, MANY TIMES.

AND IT WAS CLEAR WATER WITH DUCKS AND CATFISH AND YOU NAME IT.

AND I KNOW PROGRESS.

IT MUST GO ON.

YOU CAN'T STOP TIME.

I GET THAT.

BUT YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME SORT OF COHERENT PLAN AND IDEA, SOME KIND OF GOAL YEARS AGO, WHEN YOU GUYS CEMENTED THE IRRIGATION DITCH OR DRAINAGE DITCH ALONG IMPERIAL HIGHWAY, I SUGGESTED TO YOU GUYS THAT IT SHOULD BE COVERED AND YOU COULD HAVE A GREEN BELT THERE.

I WAS RIDICULED FOR BEING AN IDIOT.

YOU CAN'T DO IT.

YOU HAVE TO EXPECT THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD.

YOU CAN'T COVER A DITCH LIKE THAT, REALLY? BECAUSE YOU COVERED THE DITCH ACROSS THE STREET BETWEEN PERIODS, JUNIOR HIGH AND WOOD LAKE VILLAGE.

AND WHAT HAPPENED THERE JUST LAST YEAR, THE RAINS THAT WROTE IN SOMETHING AND PART OF THAT THING COLLAPSED.

IT WAS EVEN ON THE NEWS.

SO THERE, IT WAS OKAY TO COVER IT SO THAT YOU COULD SHOVE IN THERE ANOTHER HUNDRED UNITS TO CREATE REVENUE, BUT TO MAKE A GREEN BELT ALONG IMPERIAL HIGHWAY, THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A NICE BUFFER FOR ALL THOSE RESIDENTS.

NOISE WISE, SMELL WISE, EVERYTHING THAT YOU DON'T DO.

SO I'M AFRAID THAT YET AGAIN, SOMEBODY HAS A TO SAY IT PAID SOMEBODY OFF.

SOMEBODY IS GETTING SOME MONEY FOR THEIR CAMPAIGN FUND AND THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO GO THROUGH.

AND WE'RE JUST SPEAKING AS A MEANS FOR US TO VENT, BUT IT CARRIES NO WEIGHT WHATSOEVER.

THAT'S WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO THIS IS GOING TO PASS.

WE ALL KNOW IT.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU FOR CALLING IT NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM G GARCIA, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

OH, HI.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS GABRIELA GARCIA, G A B R I E L A G A R C I A AND I'M AT SEVEN SIX ONE AMBER LANE.

I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA FOR 10 YEARS NOW.

I'M VERY INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY AND I'M EXTREMELY OPPOSED TO THIS PROJECT FOR A LOT OF THE REASONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED.

SO I WON'T GO INTO THEM ANYMORE.

BUT WHAT I DID WANT TO SAY IS I WAS OUTRAGED BY THE TACTICS THAT THIS DEVELOPER IS USING TO, UM, GAIN SUPPORT, OR AT LEAST TRY AND MAKE US BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SUPPORT BEHIND THIS PROJECT.

WE ALL KNOW THAT WE'VE SEEN THE FACEBOOK POSTS THAT TALK ABOUT MONEY FOR OPEN SPACE AND MONEY FOR EDUCATION AND MAKE NO MENTION ABOUT THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.

SO WHEN THEY COME ON HERE AND TELL US THAT THERE ARE 7,000 LETTERS OF SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT, I SAY THOSE LETTERS ARE A SHAM.

THERE IS NO SUPPORT FROM THE COMMUNITY FOR THIS PROJECT.

IN FACT, THERE'S OVERWHELMING OPPOSITION TO THIS PROJECT.

I'VE BEEN ON YESTERDAY'S CALL ON TODAY'S CALL EACH TIME.

THERE HAVE BEEN 200 PEOPLE OR MORE ON HERE.

IF WE WERE AT CITY HALL, IT WOULD BE OVERFLOWING AT THIS POINT.

UM, WE SPENT FOUR HOURS, YOU KNOW, IS IT YESTERDAY ON THE PHONE? UM, WE'RE AT ANOTHER, UH, TWO AND A HALF HOURS TODAY.

AND, AND THERE'S STILL PEOPLE THAT WANT TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS.

AND SO SAYING THAT THERE IS STRONGER SUPPORT FOR THIS PROJECT AND THERE IS, IS JUST A LIE.

SO IT MAKES ME DOUBT ANYTHING THAT THEY'RE SAYING ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PROVIDE FOR OUR CITY.

UM, WITH THIS PROJECT, I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE US SCARED AND BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE ONLY OPTION THAT WE HAVE WHEN IT'S REALLY NOT IT'S WE HAVE OTHER OPTIONS AND WE HAVE TIME, AND I WANT US AS A CITY TO MAKE A DECISION THAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITIZENS, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE, THE PEOPLE THAT WILL HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE IMPACTS FROM THESE DEVELOPMENTS AND MAKE THESE DECISIONS ON OUR OWN TERMS AND TAKE THE TIME TO REALLY PLAN THIS OUT TOGETHER RATHER THAN HAVING SOMETHING CRAMMED DOWN OUR THROAT.

I HATE TO SAY IT THAT WAY, BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT FEELS LIKE ONCE THIS OPEN SPACE HAS GONE, IT'S GONE FOR GOOD.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO GOING BACK IT AND WE HAVE SO LITTLE OF IT LEFT AND I THINK WE NEED TO

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MAKE A DECISION BASED ON WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOOD FOR OUR CITY, NOT FIVE YEARS, NOT 10 YEARS, BUT IN THE LONG RUN FOR OUR KIDS AND FOR HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE OUR CITY WELL INTO THE FUTURE.

SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO MY COMMENT.

THANK YOU, MS. GARCIA FOR JOINING US.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

ANDREW, WOULD YOU JUST REFRESH THE AUDIENCE WITH REGARD TO THE USAGE OF THE PLATFORM? YES.

UH, UH, ANDREW HALL DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR THE AUDIENCES BENEFIT, UM, UH, FOR THOSE WHO ARE ON THE COUNTRY, YOU'RE ON ZOOM.

IF DISSIPATE IN TONIGHT'S MEETING, UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND BY MOVING YOUR CURSOR DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN WITH, UH, AN ICON, AN ICON SHOULD COME UP WITH, UH, THE PARTICIPANTS ICON.

YOU CAN CLICK ON THAT BUTTON AND ANOTHER SCREEN SHOULD COME UP WITH KIND OF THE LIST OF PARTICIPANTS.

YOU'LL SEE, UH, HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE RAISED THEIR HANDS.

AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RAISE YOUR HAND TO SPEAK, UH, THERE SHOULD BE AN ICON AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT SCREEN THAT SAYS RAISE HAND, AND IT LOOKS LIKE FOLKS ARE DOING IT NOW.

AND SO WE'RE, WE'RE ADDING MORE TO THE QUEUE.

AND SO THAT WILL HELP US, UH, KIND OF UPDATE THE COMMISSION, UH, ON HOW MANY MORE SPEAKERS, UH, WE ANTICIPATE HAVING SPEAKING TONIGHT.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT, UH, FOR THOSE ON THE PHONE, UH, SHOULD YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND IN THE SAME MANNER? UH, YOU MAY PRESS STAR NINE AND WE'LL GET YOU LINED UP IN THE QUEUE AND GET YOU GOING ON HERE.

THANKS EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU, ANDREW AND VERONICA, JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, HOW'S THE QUEUE LOOKING RIGHT NOW? LET ME COUNT ON, SORRY.

HOLD ON.

THERE ARE 15 ON HOLD, WAITING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION 15.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

I'LL JUST ADVISE THE PUBLIC TOO.

THAT THERE'S A DECENT POSSIBILITY AT THIS STAGE THAT YOU MAY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TOMORROW NIGHT AS WELL, BECAUSE WE HAVE ABOUT AN HOUR'S WORTH AN HOUR AND A HALF WORTH OF, UH, ITEMS THAT ARE CONNECTED TO THE PROJECT.

AND SO IF WE, IF WE CAN'T RESOLVE IT BY AROUND 10 30 ISH, 10 45 ISH, THEN WE WILL BE ADJOURNING UNTIL TOMORROW NIGHT.

BUT THAT SAID, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM PHONE NUMBER.

OH, I'M SORRY.

HOLD ON (714) 809-2242.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM AND MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER, GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME YOU'RE WITH THE COMMISSION NOW SPEAKER, DO WE HAVE A SPEAKER VERONICA? WANT TO TRY THE NEXT ONE? YES.

OKAY.

NOW YOU CAN HEAR ME.

YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OKAY.

NOW OF FUNNY.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

YEAH.

OR BECAME AWARE OF AN INCOMPLETE STABILITY OF THE HAIRSTYLE JUST TO RANCHO LA HABRA DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WHICH WAS IDENTIFIED BY THE CONSULTING ENGINEERS AND GEOLOGISTS FOR SAVE-A-LOT HAVARA THEIR REVIEW SHOWS D E R I R FIERCE TO ADEQUATELY ADDRESS REPAIR OF THE LANDSLIDE AS A PROPOSED REPAIR OF THE FLIGHT, WHICH IS LIMITED TO REPAIR IN THE TOE OF THE SLIDE, THE EIR FEARS TO RECIPE ITS RISKS PROPERLY.

WITH THE RECENT FIRE, WE ARE EXPERIENCING INCREASED PM 2.5 AND PM 10 OUTSIDE, WHICH IS A DOUBLE OUTSIDE VERSUS INSIDE.

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AND WE HAVE BEEN SHUTTING OUR WINDOWS.

MY HUSBAND IS 81 YEARS OLD AND HAS SEVERE RESPIRATORY ISSUES.

I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW HE IS GOING TO SUSTAIN AND GO THROUGH SIX TO SEVEN YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY START UP THE CONTAMINATED SOIL TO REPLACE IT WITH A CLEAN SOIL.

OUR HOME IS RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEW HOMES THEY WANT TO BE HERE.

WE DO NOT HAVE ANY BUFFER, LIKE A TRAILERS OR PARKS.

THEY ARE PROPOSING.

IF HE CANNOT READ DURING THE, DURING THE GROUNDBREAKING AND STABILIZATION, WHO WOULD THEY BE? RESPONSIBLE MITIGATION MEASURES IN DEI ARE NOT SUFFICIENT TO GIVE US A WORRY FREE LIFE, CONTAMINATED SOIL.

AND THEN ON THE CAPITALIST STEER PRESENT UNDERGROUND AND LEAKAGE, SHOULD IT BE A CONCERN FOR THE NEW HOME OWNERS AND VISITORS WHO WOULD BE VISITING THE AREA? HOMES COULD NOT BE BUILT ON THE LAND 20 YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THAT REASON.

SO THEY COVERED IT, REALLY THE GRASS TO NOT START IT UP.

WE GOT CLEANING UP THE SITE.

THEY THINK THEY CAN BUILD.

NOW THEY CAN BUILD, THEY CAN NOW BUILD THE NEW HOMES, JUST A FEW STEPS AWAY FROM THE SITE.

IF YOU LIVE IN THE CITY OF LA HABRA, YOU WOULD BE VERY, VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS ISSUES THAT OUTSIDERS ARE LOOKING TO MOVE TO THE CITY OF LA HABRA THAT THEY WILL HAVE.

THEY WILL HAVE NO IDEA.

THEY WON'T UNDERSTAND THE SEVERITY OF THE SITUATION.

WHAT ARE JOINING REGULATIONS FOR? WE PUT OUR TRUST IN THE ZONING COMMITTEE TO LOOK UP FOR THE SAFETY OF, OF ITS RESIDENTS.

HOW AND WHY CAN A CDB SO IRRESPONSIBLE, I WANT TO THANK YOU TO MICHELLE VERNIER.

SHE WAS GREAT WITH THE RIGHT QUESTIONS YESTERDAY.

UH, THE, UH, THIS PROJECT SITE IS ALSO EARTHQUAKE AFFORDED TO JOHN.

DO YOU ALL KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO? THIS AREA SHOULD GO PRETTY HARD.

I'M SURE IT'LL HAPPEN AGAIN.

AND WITH, UH, WITH THE WELLS AND CONTAMINANTS IN THE GROUND, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD ALLOW BUILD HOUSES ON LAND.

THAT IS UNSTABLE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MAN.

WE APPRECIATE YOU CONTACTING US.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

NEXT WE WILL HEAR FROM ROBERT HUGHES, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

YEAH.

SO MY NAME IS ROBERT HUGHES.

UH, I LIVE IN LA HABRA JUST BELOW THE WEST RIDGE GOLF COURSE.

CAN YOU GUYS STILL HEAR ME? YES, YES, NO PROBLEM.

I'M SORRY.

UH, YES.

UH, OBVIOUSLY I LISTENED TO THE STORY THAT, UH, MR. HAN FROM , UH, TALKED ABOUT LAST NIGHT.

THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

I GOT SOME FRIENDS HERE.

UH, THAT GUY WAS TALKING ABOUT, UH, HE WAS GIVEN A SOB STORY AND SAYING HOW THE GOLF COURSE, I'M SORRY.

I HAD SOME FRIENDS THAT ARE MESSING AROUND WITH ME.

THE GOLF COURSE IS USING MILLIONS OF GALLONS OF POTABLE WATER.

NOW I'VE, UH, LOOKED AT WHAT THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD IS IN THE AREA OF A WATER.

AND IT COULD RUN DEPENDING ON WHAT WEBSITE YOU CHECK.

IT RUNS FROM LIKE A HUNDRED GALLONS TO 200 GALLONS, UH, ON THE WORST CASE SCENARIO.

AND, UH, THAT TIME SURRENDERED IN 65 TIMES 450 HOMES THAT COMES OVER TO 3 MILLION, SIX, UH, 600,000 GALLONS PER YEAR.

UH, SO I KNOW HE'S JUST TRYING TO THROW OUT FIGURES OUT THERE JUST TO MAKE US GO, OH MY GOSH, THIS GOLF COURSE USING ALL THIS WATER.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE, UH, THE WILDLIFE, UH, YEAH, THERE IS SOME, UH, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL, UH, UNTOUCHABLE SPACE AROUND THE GOLF COURSE? I HAVE GOLF THERE A FEW TIMES.

I'M NOT AN AVID GOLFER.

UH, I ACTUALLY LIKE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GO UP, UH, DRIVE UP IDAHO AND OVER THE HILL AND OVER INTO FULLERTON, UH, I ACTUALLY ENJOY JUST THAT LITTLE BIT OF NOT HAVING, UH, BEING CRAMMED IN BY HOUSES EVERYWHERE.

UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS THEIR JOB TO DO, UH, I KNOW OVER THERE AND THE DON STEVE'S, UH, CHEVROLET LINE, THEY BUILT UP, UH, UH, MANY HOMES OVER THERE, OVER THERE AT THE WHOLE RUNDOWN ON BEACH BOULEVARD.

THEY PUT, IT LOOKS LIKE A THREE, MAYBE FOUR STORY HOMES OVER THERE, OR THEY'RE CRAMMING MORE PEOPLE IN A SMALLER AREA.

UH, BYE.

I PUT THAT IN THERE IN THE GOLF COURSE IS AGAIN, AS EVERYONE IS SAYING, THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC AND ALSO I HAVE A CONCERN.

I NOTICED THERE'S ALREADY A WORK BEING DONE.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S DUE TO THIS PROJECT ALREADY ON OFFER ON IDAHO, JUST SOUTH OF IMPERIAL.

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IT LOOKS LIKE I SEE A BUNCH OF CONSTRUCTION CREWS UP THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY MADE YOUR PLANS OR, OR PREPARING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT FOR GOING THROUGH.

I'M NOT SURE I HAVEN'T TALKED WITH THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE TRAFFIC IS ALREADY MISERABLE IN THE CITY.

AND WE'VE SEEN IT IN THE MANY YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, GET WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE EVERY YEAR.

UH, I LOVE THE SOUNDS OF THE COYOTES AT NIGHT.

UH, THE WILDLIFE, UH, WHEN, UH, PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING BECAUSE SOME OF THEIR PETS AND ANIMALS ARE GETTING, UH, HUNTED DOWN BY THE COYOTES, UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE THEIR HABITAT IS GETTING DESTROYED AND THEY'RE GETTING ENCROACH.

AND SO THEY HAVE TO GO OUT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEY HAVE TO GO OUT AND FIND FOOD, UH, BY GRADING THE MORE HOMES IN THERE YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, CAUSE THEM TO EVEN GO OUT AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOODS MORE, WHICH IS GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO GET CAPTURED AND EUTHANIZE.

UH, WE'RE ALL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO HAVE A, A SAFE AND HAPPY ENVIRONMENT I LIVE IN.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A LITTLE PEACE OF MIND, A LITTLE BREATH OF FRESH AIR.

UH, I KNOW NOT EVERYONE GOES OUT THERE AND USE THE GOLF COURSE.

I'M LIKE I SAY, I'M NOT A BIG GOLF COURSE USER MYSELF, BUT I DO ENJOY WHEN I GO OUT THERE, I JUST SEE THE WILDLIFE.

I SEE THE BUSHES, I DON'T SEE HOMES, UH, AND, UH, UH, CARS AND TRAFFIC AND, AND, UH, OTHER NOISES THAT, UH, HIGH DENSITY HOMES, UM, YOU GUYS PRESENTED AS OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR OUR CITY.

AND I'M HOPING THE CITY COUNCIL IS LISTENING BECAUSE WE'RE ASKING YOU, I'VE BEEN TO COUNCIL MEETINGS BEFORE WE'RE ASKING YOU TO NOT DO GO FURTHER WITH THIS PROJECT.

WE WANT TO KEEP THIS SPACE OPEN AND I'LL TELL YOU THE TRUTH.

I WOULD ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE THE GOLF COURSE, JUST GO AWAY AND LET IT BE WILDLIFE, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, FOR THE ANIMALS.

UH, BUT, UH, IT'S THERE.

I CAN'T DO ANYTHING IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE.

SAME THING AS A, IF YOU GUYS GO PUT IT IN THERE, HOUSES, IT'S GOING TO BE DONE.

THAT HABITAT IS GOING TO BE DESTROYED US REPRESENTATIVES, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COUNCIL.

YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THE COUNCIL IS LISTENING BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE MAKING DECISIONS FOR THE COUNCIL AND THEY'RE THE ONES THEY'RE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY OUR VOTES, FROM THE CITIZENS THAT ARE GOING TO BE UNHAPPY WITH THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO, IF YOU GUYS TO DO GO FORWARD WITH THIS, UM, I DO NOT LIKE GETTING UP AND GOING TO COUNCIL MEETINGS.

UH, I'D BE THERE RIGHT NOW.

YOU KNOW, IF A WASN'T FOR THE COVANCE, UM, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO DO.

I DON'T WANT TO GO OUT THERE AND BE AN ACTIVIST, BUT THIS IS TRULY GOING TO AFFECT A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS AROUND HERE.

UH, THAT'S AFFECTING PEOPLE'S BLOOD PRESSURES FROM, UH, HAVING TO DEAL WITH THIS TRAFFIC.

WE HAVE MORE TRAFFIC COLLISIONS NOWADAYS, UH, PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH OUR CITY.

UH, IT'S JUST A SAD THING THAT WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH.

IT'S, UH, YOU KNOW, HERE IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL UP INTO YOUR HANDS.

WE'RE ASKING YOU GUYS TO NOT CONTINUE WITH THIS PROJECT.

THIS IS NOT GONNA WORK OUT FOR US.

IT'S GONNA MAKE IT A, A, NOT A HAPPIER PLACE TO LIVE.

SO I'VE BEEN HAPPY HERE.

IT'S BEEN BEAUTIFUL.

I WE'RE, WE'RE FAR FROM THE FREEWAYS.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE GOING ON AND OFF OF FREEWAYS AND COMING INTO OUR TOWN.

UH, WE'VE GOT, UH, THANKS TO YOU GUYS AND YOUR PLANNING.

UH, WE HAVE SOME VERY NICE STORES.

I REALLY DON'T HAVE TO LEAVE AT THE HOMBRE TO GO SHOPPING, TO GO SEE MY ENTERTAINMENT WITH THE, UH, THE MOVIE THEATER ACROSS THE WAY, BUT WE'VE GOT GREAT RESTAURANTS.

UH, I LOVE THIS PLACE, BUT IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING WITH THE TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW, JUST TO GO IN BETWEEN FROM IDAHO TO BEACH BOULEVARD, HOW MANY STOPLIGHTS WE HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU GUYS TO HELP US OUT WITH, UH, OUR HAPPINESS AND OUR CONTINUED LIFESTYLE.

UH, THE PEOPLE AT THE TOP OF THE WEST RIBS, UH, GOLF COURSE.

I UNDERSTAND THEIR PLIGHT.

I I'D BE ON IT.

I DON'T LIVE UP THERE.

I'D BE ANGRY AS HECK.

UH, IF THIS HAPPENED.

YEAH, THERE'S NO GUARANTEES IN LIFE.

THAT'S THE WAY IT GOES.

BUT, UH, WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU TO FOLLOW WHAT OUR CITIZENS WANT HERE.

THAT'S THAT'S MOST OF THESE PEOPLE ON HERE, THEY DON'T WANT TO GET UP AND SPEAK IN PUBLIC.

UM, WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOUR GUYS'S ASSISTANCE ON THIS TO KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING.

YES, THE LANDLORD WANTS TO DO WITH IT, WHAT HE WANTS.

WELL, I CAN'T GO AND PUT THE HORSES IN MY BACKYARD.

CAN I, UH, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T HAVE EVERYTHING IN LIFE, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, LA HARBOR HAS BEEN A GREAT CITY.

UM, BUT WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE HIGH, HIGHER DENSITY HOMES IN HERE.

AND IT'S CAUSING A LOT OF TRAFFIC.

AND I DON'T THINK, UH, PEOPLE ARE DESIGNED TO BE SHOVED IN ONE AREA.

AND JUST LIKE THAT, ANOTHER SPEAKER EARLIER,

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THE MORE, UH, MORE CHANCES WE HAVE IN MORE PEOPLE TOGETHER AND CONGESTED, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR DISEASE TRANSMISSION IN THE CASE OF COVID AND WHATEVER ELSE COMES UP LATER IN THE FUTURE.

UH, WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR YOU GUYS TO HELP US OUT.

WE REALLY DO NOT WANT THIS.

UH, I'M VERY UNHAPPY THAT, UH, THIS IS STILL CONTINUING ON, UH, AFTER, UH, I'VE MET, GONE TO A COUPLE OF, UH, COUNCIL MEETINGS BEFORE, AND I WAS JUST SURPRISED TO HEAR THAT, UH, THIS THING HAD NOT BEEN KIBOSHED YET.

UH, SO PLEASE HELP US OUT.

UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP.

IT'S IN YOUR, YOUR GUYS'S HANDS.

YOU GUYS ARE MAKING DECISION.

WE NEED YOUR HELP.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. HUGHES.

WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

THANKS FOR JOINING US TONIGHT.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY, WE'RE GONNA GIVE THIS ONE NUMBER ANOTHER TRY PHONE NUMBER FIVE SIX TWO SIX NINE SEVEN ZERO FIVE.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER SPEAKER, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOU JOINED THE MIC, THE MEETING SPEAKER.

ARE YOU THERE? IT LOOKS LIKE THE SPEAKER IS NOT THERE.

DARREN, IF I CAN JUMP IN, UM, THIS IS ANDREW, UH, PHONE NUMBER ZERO FIVE NINE ONE.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME TRY PUSHING STAR SIX INSTEAD.

OKAY.

NOW.

OKAY.

NOW CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

YES.

NOW WE CAN HEAR YOU.

OH, STAR SIX WORK.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

TELL THAT TO THE OTHER CALLERS.

UM, YES.

MY NAME IS CAROL HANSEN.

UH, THAT'S C A R O L.

LAST NAME IS H A N S E N.

THIS IS NOVEMBER.

I LIVE IN LA HOMBRE, RIGHT NEAR IDAHO AND IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.

AND, UM, I'M JUST BEHIND THE SHOPPING CENTERS THAT WERE APPLEBEE'S IS SO, UH, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS.

HAVING MOVED AROUND ORANGE COUNTY SINCE THE, UH, SEVENTIES I ORIGINALLY WAS BORN AND RAISED IN LOS ANGELES AND I MOVED TO THE VALLEY AND I HAD TO GET OUT OF THE VALLEY BECAUSE IT WAS SO HOT AND CROWDED.

AND I MOVED HERE AS A, UH, SINGLE MOM, TWO TEENAGE GIRLS, AND THEY WENT TO, WELL, I THINK IT'S, UH, THEY WENT TO MAGNOLIA HIGH SCHOOL, BOTH OF THEM.

THIS IS HANSON.

I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT I'M JUST GOING TO VERY GENTLY MAYBE REDIRECT YOU BACK TO THE PROJECT AT HAND A RANCH.

I AM REALLY AGAINST THIS PROJECT.

I'VE, I'VE SEEN THE OVERBUILDING AND COMMUNITY, UM, GETTING CROWDED WHEN I LIVED IN OTHER, OTHER CITIES, LIKE IN THE, IN THE NORTH HOLLYWOOD AREA AND IN THE VALLEY AND ALSO IN LOS ANGELES AND THE TRAFFIC IS, I'M JUST GONNA REPEAT MYSELF LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HAS, BUT THE TRAFFIC HAS BEEN INSANE.

AND I CANNOT, I CANNOT IMAGINE HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE WITH A HUNDRED MORE, MORE, YOU KNOW, HOMES AND FAMILIES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE CAR.

I'M SURE THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL MORE CARS ON THE ROAD.

AND I DON'T, AND THE POLLUTION IS GETTING WORSE AND WORSE EACH YEAR.

AND, AND, UH, IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS HEALTHY

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OF A COMMUNITY THAT IT HAS BEEN.

AND THE CHILDREN ARE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO SUFFER THE MOST, THE PARENTS AND THE YOUNG, THE YOUNG PARENTS AND, AND THE, AND THE CHILDREN WILL BE THE ONES SUFFERING.

AND I'M NOT VERY HAPPY ABOUT HOW THE DEVELOPERS HAVE BEEN SO DISHONEST AND HAVING TRICKY WAYS OF MAKING YOU THINK THAT THIS IS JUST GOING TO BE A BIG PARK.

AND, UM, THE, THE WILDLIFE IS GONNA HAVE, UH, A PLACE TO, UH, TO, TO, YOU KNOW, UH, GROW.

WHAT IS GONNA DO IS GONNA BRING A LOT MORE COYOTES INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

CAUSE EVERY TIME WE HAVE A, UH, SOME BUILDING GOING ON HERE, W W WE, WE, OUR BACKYARDS BECOME, UM, UH, HAVE, YOU KNOW, I I'VE HAD THE COYOTES COME IN MY BACKYARD AND, UM, I DON'T HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN, SO I'M NOT WORRIED THEM GETTING HURT, BUT I DO HAVE A LITTLE CAT AND THERE ARE QUITE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE, YOU KNOW, DOGS AND, UH, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THEY'RE PUSHED OUT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO, SO I, I REALLY, AND DEPENDING ON, UH, I MEAN, WE ALL ARE THE COMMUNITY, OR DEPENDING ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO MAKE SENSE OF THIS WHOLE THING AND, AND SEE JUST REALLY HOW, HOW IT WOULD BE IMPACTING OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND OUR, OUR CITY LIFE.

THAT THAT IS, UM, BECOMING, UH, JUST WAY TOO OVERCROWDING, TOO MUCH OVERCROWDING.

AND I MEAN, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED AT THE GREAT PARK AND NERVINE, UH, THERE'S SOME VERY UNHAPPY PEOPLE THERE AND NERVINE, UH, HOW, HOW THE DEVELOPERS JUST TOOK OVER.

AND I GUESS ONCE THEY BUY PROPERTIES AND THEY CAN DO PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY WANT.

SO I, I REALLY, UM, A REALLY HOPEFUL WISE PEOPLE BECOME WISE WHEN THEY MAKE THIS DECISION ON, ON, UM, PLANNING OUR COMMUNITY TO BE BETTER FOR OUR CITIZENS IN OUR YOUNG PEOPLE AS WELL.

AND, AND HOW, YOU KNOW, LAHABRA HAS GROWN, UH, MORE, MORE, MORE ORGANICALLY INSTEAD OF, OF FOREST SHOVING, 400 MORE HOMES.

AND IN THIS AREA IS NOT THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

AND, UH, I, I DON'T, I, I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, TO LIVE IN A COMMUNITY, THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, BECOME STIFLING.

AND THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN A LOVELY PLACE FOR MYSELF AND, AND, AND MY GRAND CHILDREN COME OVER.

AND, AND I HOPE, I HOPE IT DOESN'T BECOME JUST SOME MONSTER THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE HARD TO FEED.

OKAY.

I THINK WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS, MRS. HANSON, YOU'VE BEEN PRETTY CLEAR.

IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL YOU'D LIKE TO ADD OR, WELL, IS THERE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL? I THINK WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD, YEAH, I THINK, I THINK I'VE MADE MYSELF CLEAR AND I DON'T WANT TO WHIP A DEAD HORSE HERE.

OKAY.

WELL, WE, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU SAID, AND WE APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU TOOK AND THE ENERGY YOU INVESTED IN IT.

AND,

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UH, WE THANK YOU AGAIN AND WISH YOU A GOOD NIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU.

AND I REALLY HOPE TO BE ABLE TO OPEN UP OUR COMMUNITY A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE, NOT TOO NEAR FUTURE WHEN IT'S SAFE, YOU KNOW, I, I MISS IT.

OKAY.

WE ALL DO.

THANK YOU, MS. HANSON.

UH, NEXT, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

VERONICA.

NEXT, WE WILL HEAR FROM ANDREA SANDOVAL, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

SURE.

MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

MY NAME IS ANDREA SANDOVAL AND D R I A SANDOVAL, S A N D O V A L.

I'M AT TWO 30 BISHOP DRIVE IN THE HOMBRE.

SO I WANTED TO SAY GOOD EVENING TO THE CHAIRMAN AND TO THE PLANNING COMMITTEE MEMBERS.

I ALSO WANT TO SAY GOOD EVENING TO MY FELLOW HARBOR NEIGHBORS.

UM, MYSELF AND MY FAMILY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY OPPOSED TO THE RANCHO HARBOR DEVELOPMENT.

THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD NOT, WOULD SEVERELY AND NEGATIVELY IMPACT EVERY ASPECT OF LIVING HERE IN LA HABRA.

I KNOW MANY, AND I THINK MANY OF THEM, MY FELLOW LAHABRA NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE VOICED THEIR OPPOSITION TO THIS WIDELY UNPOPULAR DEVELOPMENT.

SO TO PIGGYBACK ON SOME OF THE MOST NEGATIVE SENTIMENTS THAT SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE STATED, I WANT TO FOCUS ON JUST THE COUNTLESS NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS.

THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD POTENTIALLY BRING TO OUR COMMUNITY TO BEGIN WITH.

AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF CAR TRIPS TO OUR ALREADY OVER-PACKED STREETS AND HIGHWAYS, THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC IS NOT ONLY GOING TO IMPACT ALL MAJOR INTERSECTIONS, BUT ALSO SMALLER RESIDENTIAL HOUSING THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE AS CUT THROUGHS, TO AVOID ALL THE MAJOR STREETS THAT ARE IMPACTED AND CONGESTED.

AND ALSO THESE NEW THOUSANDS OF POTENTIALLY A CAR TRIPS ARE GOING TO PRODUCE TONS OF CARBON EMISSIONS THAT ARE GOING TO NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR AIR QUALITY AND AIR QUALITY IS DEFINITELY A MAJOR CONCERN FOR MYSELF.

I'M HAVING STRUGGLED WITH ASTHMA AS A YOUNG CHILD.

I DO NOT WISH ANY MORE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY TO SUFFER DUE TO THE POOR AIR QUALITY THAT THIS POTENTIAL DEVELOPMENT WILL RESULT IN.

AND ADDITIONALLY, UM, WITH ALL THE NEW POTENTIAL HOUSING THAT COULD GO IN ALL THE CONTAMINANTS FROM THE PESTICIDES AND HERBICIDES THAT ARE USED FOR THE HOUSING AND THE LANDSCAPING, AND ALL OF THAT IS GOING TO RUN OFF INTO THE STORM DRAIN, WHICH IS COYOTE CREEK, WHICH CAN EVENTUALLY LEAD TO THE OCEAN CAUSING MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, NOT ONLY IN OUR COMMUNITY, BUT ALL THE WAY DOWN, UM, COYOTE CREEK.

AND AS SEVERAL OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE MENTIONED THAT CONCERN OF THE TOXIC SOIL THAT'S UNDERNEATH THE WEST WESTBRIDGE GOLF COURSE.

UM, IF DEVELOPMENT BEGINS ALL THESE TOXINS COULD POTENTIALLY BE, BE RELEASED INTO THE ATMOSPHERE FOR WHO KNOWS SEVERAL YEARS TO COME.

AND WHAT IMPLICATIONS IS THAT GONNA HAVE ON OUR HEALTH? AND I THINK ONE OF THE MAJOR LESSONS THAT WE'VE LEARNED, UM, POTENTIALLY FROM THIS CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC IS THAT THE CITY OF LA HARBOR DOESN'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THE POTENTIAL HUNDREDS OF NEW RESIDENTS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BRING.

AND I THINK WE CAN ALL ATTEST TO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PANDEMIC, SOME PURCHASING SOME HOME ESSENTIAL SUPPLIES, SUCH AS TOILET PAPER OR DISINFECTING WIPES, WE CAN PURCHASE THEM.

AND THAT'S ALREADY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND ADDING POTENTIALLY THOUSANDS OF MORE RESIDENTS IS ONLY GOING TO MAKE A DIRE SITUATION WORSE IF THERE'S ANOTHER NATURAL DISASTER SUCH AS THE EARTH EARTHQUAKE, OR POSSIBLY A WILDFIRE, AS WELL AS THE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR PUBLIC SERVICES.

AS MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE MENTIONED SUCH AS WATER POWER ROAD, REPAIRS, POLICE, FIRE DEPARTMENTS, ALL THESE AREAS ARE ALREADY STRETCHED TOO THIN.

JUST RECENTLY, I HAD MY FAMILY AND I HAD TO STRUGGLE THROUGH A POWER OUTAGE FOR OVER 36 HOURS.

AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE CAN'T SUPPORT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE.

AND AGAIN, UM, AS A RESIDENT, I DON'T APPRECIATE THE DISPARAGING COMMENTS AND FEAR MONGERING TACTICS THAT THE LENNAR DEVELOPMENT IS USING TO GAIN SUPPORT FOR CLEARLY UNPOPULAR DEVELOPMENT.

IF THIS DEPAUL, THE DEVELOPMENT PASSES, IT WILL HAVE NEGATIVE IMPLICATIONS ON OUR HEALTH AND OUR WAY OF LIVING FOR YEARS TO COME.

AND THE DEVELOPER WILL QUITE LITERALLY TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN AND LEAVE US RESIDENTS WITH DOMESTIC CLEANUP.

SO I IMPLORE, UM, YOU, THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO RECONSIDER AND RESEARCH OTHER ALTERNATIVES INSTEAD OF THE RANCHO LA HARBOR DEVELOPMENT FOR THE LAND USE AT WEST WESTBRIDGE GOLF COURSE.

UM, I FEEL AN EXCELLENT ALTERNATIVE COULD POTENTIALLY BE CONVERTING THE GOLF COURSE INTO MAYBE A REGIONAL PARK.

SOMETHING THAT MANY OF MY NEIGHBORS HAVE EXPRESSED.

WE DESPERATELY NEED AS FAR AS OPEN LAND.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION TO MY COMMENTS.

AND I HOPE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION FOR ALL CURRENT AND FUTURE.

WE'LL HAVE A RESIDENCE BY OPPOSING

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THIS DEVELOPMENT OF RANCHO LAHABRA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

OKAY, NEXT CALLER IS FUND NUMBER (714) 267-1207.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM TO UNMUTE YOURSELF.

IF YOU'RE CALLING IN FROM A PHONE PRESS STAR SIX, GREG JONES, ARE YOU HEARING ME ON BOTH LINES? WE HEAR YOU FINE, MR. JONES.

YOU'RE WITH US.

OKAY.

COULD YOU THINK OF A RESIDENCE? I LOVE THE SPIRIT YOU SUPPORT.

ARE WE GETTING A BACKACHE? YEAH, IT WAS A BIT OF AN ECHO, BUT WE CAN HEAR YOU.

IS THAT WORKING NOW? IT'S FINE.

WE CAN HEAR YOU.

ARE WE THERE? YES.

OKAY.

WELCOME AGAIN.

GOOD EVENING.

COMMISSIONERS.

WE'LL HAVE A RESIDENTS.

I LOVE THE SUPPORT AND THE SPIRIT THAT YOU GUYS ARE USING TO DRIVE THIS FORWARD.

I WANT TO USE THIS SENTENCE TWICE SO THAT IT RINGS IN, THIS IS A DEED RESTRICTED PROPERTY, AND THIS PROJECT WAS ALREADY APPROVED BASED ON RANTING, THIS GOLF COURSE FOR OPEN PUBLIC SPACE.

AND YOU GUYS, EVERYBODY'S DONE A GREAT JOB OF TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT I WANT TO JUST DRIVE THAT HOME AND MAKE YOU REALIZE THAT THE INITIAL IMPROVEMENT HERE WAS DONE BY THEM OPENING THE SPACE UP TO BE OPEN SPACE FOR PUBLIC USE.

SO TO COME BACK IN, THIS IS WHAT I CALL DOUBLE DIPPING, AND THERE'S A HUGE PROFIT THAT CAN BE MADE BY THEM.

THIS PROPERTY CAN ALSO BE USED AS A PUBLIC GOLF COURSE AND BE VERY PROFITABLE AND GOOD FOR THE CITY.

IT CAN ALSO BE SOLD JUST BECAUSE IT WON'T MAKE THE PROFIT MARGIN THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO ACHIEVE.

DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT A VALUABLE ASSET, THE WAY THAT IT'S CURRENTLY STRUCTURED.

SO ANYWAY, UH, THESE, IN MY OPINION, UH, YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE GREAT JOB AND I REALLY RESPECT JOE FAUST.

AND THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT HE'S PUT INTO THIS, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT ANDREW HAN IS NOT LOCAL TO THE AREA AS FAR AS WHAT HE CLAIMS TO BE NOT KNOWING WHAT THE LA HABRA HEIGHTS PEOPLE WOULD LOOK AT GOING BACK, INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT A GOLF COURSE, LOOKING AT NEW RESIDENTS, AND THEN ALSO ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE DOWN IN COYOTE CREEK AREA THAT LOOKED ONTO THE GOLF COURSE WOULD LOSE THAT OPEN SPACE VIEW.

ANYWAY, I REALLY HOPE THAT, UH, YOU GUYS JUST CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND HERE'S THE, THE STRENGTH AND HONOR OR PREVIOUS AGREEMENTS REMAINING AS INTENDED AND JOIN IN WITH THE FISHING GAME TO PRESERVE THIS ASSET.

YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO REPLACE THOSE ARE MY WORDS, SHORT AND SWEET.

THAT'S IT.

AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORD SERVICE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW FROM D L SELTZER, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON MUTED BEFORE SPEAKING TO THE COMMISSION.

HI, MY NAME IS DOLORES.

THAT WILL SESAR D O L O R E S E L S E S S E R.

UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED OVER THIS PROJECT.

I ACTUALLY BEEN ONE OF THE OLDEST LAHABRA RESIDENTS.

I'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 60 YEARS.

I UNHAPPY THAT YOU ARE NOW LIKE THE OTHER GENTLEMEN SAID TRYING TO DOUBLE DIP, BECAUSE YOU WERE GIVEN THE GO AHEAD TO BUILD HOUSINGS AND BUSINESSES AND PROMISED THAT THIS GOLF COURSE WOULD STAY OPEN SPACE.

UM, I ACTUALLY LIVED IN THE HARBOR WHEN WE STILL HAD COWS ON IMPERIAL HIGHWAY, BEFORE IMPERIAL HIGHWAY WAS EVEN BUILT.

WE HAD ORANGE GROVES, WE HAD PURE GOLD.

WE HAD SO MANY OTHER THINGS THAT GAVE US A SPACE.

AND IT SEEMS OVER THE YEARS,

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EVERY YEAR, PRACTICALLY THAT YOU KEEP WANTING TO TAKE OUR SPACE AWAY.

I HAVE BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.

I HAVE HAD TO DEAL WITH THE CONGESTION AND THE TRAFFIC FOR MANY YEARS.

NOW, WHEN I FIRST MOVED THERE, WE WERE A RURAL COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHAT DRAW OR DREW, EXCUSE ME, MY FAMILY, TO THE AREA.

AND I'M VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU NOW WANT TO TAKE AWAY ONE HUGE OPEN SPACE.

THE SIZE OF THE GOLF COURSE, 151 ACRES AND TURN IT ALL INTO HOUSING.

THE DEVELOPER, IN MY OPINION, IS LYING TO US.

I WATCHED AN ADDITIONAL VIDEO OF HIM TODAY AND HE JUST IGNORED, JUST TOTALLY IGNORED WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO WITH 20 SQUARE FEET.

OH, THEY'LL BE TRAILED AND THEY'LL BE PARKS.

HE DID NOT.

ONCE ONCE MENTIONED THE COMMERCIAL ASPECT THAT HE WANTS TO PUT IN THERE, THE TRAFFIC AND OH, YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE I LIVE.

I LIVE ON GREENBRIER LANE AT THE TOP OF THE HILL FROM BEACH AND IMPERIAL.

DO YOU REALIZE IT ALWAYS TAKES ME THREE TO FOUR LIGHT CYCLES TO GET THE ROUX BEACH AND IMPERIAL THAT'S WAY TOO MUCH NOW.

AND YET YOU WANT TO DUMP MORE CARS AND I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY 400 CARS.

I'M GOING TO SAY IT'S GOING TO BE CLOSER TO A THOUSAND CARS.

SO YES, I AM VERY UNHAPPY WITH IT.

I THINK YOU ARE OVERTAXING OUR PUBLIC SERVICES, THE POLICE, THE FIRE, THE EMS, BECAUSE NO ONE CAN GET THROUGH THE CONGESTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.

I HOPE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAKES THE RIGHT DECISION FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS IN LAHABRA.

AND THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING, MRS. L SESAR.

IF I SAID THAT CORRECTLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH NEXT WEEK.

SOMEBODY ELSE FOR US, VERONICA.

YES.

NEXT SPEAKER WILL BE DANIELLE GARCIA, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

OKAY.

ACTUALLY, THIS IS RAFAEL GARCIA, R A F A E L GARCIA, G A R C I A AND MY WIFE AND I ARE ORIGINAL, UM, HOMEOWNERS HERE IN WEST RIDGE.

WE PURCHASED OUR HOUSE IN AUGUST OF 1999.

UH, WE WERE 29 YEARS OLD.

NOW, WHAT I WHAT'S REALLY STRUCK ME IS IN SPEAKING TO OUR NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE ALL SENIORS TO US AND IT WAS THEIR SECOND THIRD IN SOME CASES, THEIR FOURTH HOUSE AND SPEAKING TO THEM, I, UH, I HEARD THEIR STORIES THAT THEY WORKED.

THEY SAVED, THEY SACRIFICED AND IT'S, SOME OF THEM HAVE EVEN PAID THE PREMIUM OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE TO LIVE ON THE GOLF COURSE.

THIS WAS THE CULTIVATION OF THEIR LIFE'S WORK.

THIS WAS THEIR REWARD FOR WORKING THEIR ENTIRE LIVES.

AND I THINK IT'S REALLY DISGRACEFUL THAT LENORE 21 YEARS LATER HAS HER HAND OUT AGAIN.

YOU ARE GOING TO RUIN THE GOLDEN YEARS OF MY NEIGHBORS.

AND I JUST THINK THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST WRONG THAT YOU DO A TWICE, JUST SIMPLY ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL OR CITY LEADERSHIP TO HONOR THE PROMISE THAT WAS MADE WITH MY NEIGHBORS.

AND I ORIGINALLY MOVED IN TO LEAVE IT ALONE, OR AT VERY LEAST ALLOW US TO THE ORIGINAL CITIZENS OR THE ORIGINAL RESIDENTS OF WEST RIDGE TO EITHER MOVE OR MOVE ON.

AND PEOPLE JUST THIS DISCUSSION FOR AT LEAST 25 YEARS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. GARCIA, WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTARY AND NEXT CALLER PLEASE.

OKAY.

NEXT CALLER IS JENNIFER.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE

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ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR THE PRIVILEGE TO SPEAK AT THIS MEETING.

UM, I KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC WAS ADDRESSED AND ADDRESSED AND ADDRESSED AND ADDRESSED, BUT I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT CHRISTMAS, LAST NAME TOO, SPELLED OUT FOR US IF YOU WOULD.

OH, YES.

I'M SORRY.

JENNIFER CHAMPAGNE, C H A M P A G N E.

I LIVE ON CHANTRY DRIVE AT THE END OF BEACH BOULEVARD IN WHITTIER.

SO I'M CHOOSING THIS HOUSE IN 2017.

WE LOOKED AT OVER 250 HOMES OVER THE SPAN OF A YEAR AND A HALF.

AND I CHOSE THIS LOCATION FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN MENTIONED.

ONE OF THOSE REASONS IS IT IT'S NOT TOO FAR FROM MY WORK 25, 30 MINUTE COMMUTE.

HOWEVER, SEASONALLY CHRISTMAS TIME, THAT COMMUTE TAKES UP TO AN HOUR AND A HALF NOW JUST BECAUSE THE BOTTLENECK OF BEACH AND ROSE, CRANS GOING, GETTING UP TO BEACH AND IMPERIAL.

SO I JUST WANT TO BRING THAT UP.

THEN.

I ALSO WANT TO BRING UP THE RESPONSIBILITY OF POSSIBLE LAWSUITS BECAUSE OF THE TOXIC LAND THAT WILL BE DISTURBED, WHETHER IT'S DURING CONSTRUCTION OR IT'S 10, 20 YEARS AFTER IT'S BEEN DISTURBED AND PEOPLE WHO FREQUENT THOSE AREAS OR LIVE ON THOSE AREAS THAT WE ALL KNOW FROM HISTORY SHOULD NOT BE DISTURBED.

THE WEST RIDGE GOLF COURSE.

I'VE KNOWN A FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE WORKED THERE, INCLUDING MY BROTHER.

AND, UM, THEY'RE JUST CONSTANTLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE IT'S NOT PROMOTED.

YES, IT DOES WELL, AND IT'S, UH, BUSINESS IS DECENT, BUT, UM, SINCE THIS BUSINESS PROPOSITION THEY'VE DONE NOTHING TO PROMOTE IT.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYEES GET FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEIR IDEAS ARE NEVER CONSIDERED AND IT REALLY COULD BE A MUCH MORE OF A, AN ATTRACTION.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT COULD ENHANCE THE COMMUNITY MUCH MORE.

UM, FAMILIES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP THE CHILDREN, THE MONEY FOR SCHOOLS, UH, AMERICA ON THE WHOLE.

THEY'RE NOT HAVING AS MANY CHILDREN AS THEY DID IN THE FIFTIES.

IT HAS BEEN A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN FAMILIES, COUPLES HAVING CHILDREN.

ONE, TWO, THREE KIDS IS A LARGE FAMILY NOWADAYS.

SO THAT IS A PART OF THE DECEPTION AND THE DECEIT THAT I FEEL THAT IS BEHIND AND PUSHING THIS MOVEMENT.

AND THEN LAST, BUT DEFINITELY NOT LEAST IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSIDERATIONS.

UM, JUST THIS LAST WEEKEND, WE HAD A BARN ALLEN, OUR BACKYARD.

YOU CAN'T LIVE IN CITIES IN ORANGE COUNTY THAT HAVE, UH, SUCH A BLESSING AND SUCH AN AMAZING, UH, VARIETY OF JUST THE BIRDS ALONE.

WE GET BACK EVEN, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FIVE TYPES OF HUMMINGBIRDS DEPENDING ON THE SEASON.

UM, ORIOLES, IT'S JUST AMAZING WILDLIFE AND I LOVE LAHABRA AS IT IS.

THERE IS SUCH A THING AS OVER DEVELOPING.

UM, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MICHELLE.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THE NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

NEXT, DANA, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

YES, THIS IS A TEMPE MANSION, ACTUALLY.

IT'S T E V Y E M A N C H A N, UM, 1230 WEST LAMBERT, UH, ROAD IN THE HOMBRE.

I'VE, UH, BEEN A RESIDENT HERE FOR JUST SHY OF 20 YEARS.

UM, SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES, UH, IN THE HARBOR RECENTLY IN THE LAST, LAST FEW YEARS.

UM, EVERYONE'S MENTIONED A LOT OF THINGS AND, UH,

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I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO THOSE THINGS ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC AND ALL OF THESE, THESE SAME KIND OF THAT HAVE INCREASED TREMENDOUSLY.

UH, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE IS THE, UM, THERE'S BEEN, THERE'S BEEN COMMENTS OF CURRENTLY COMPARING THE HARBOR TO OTHER CITIES AS FAR AS THEIR GROWTH GOES.

AND, UH, AND I JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT LAHABRA, IS IT LIKE, ARE THERE CITIES AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LIVED HERE AND CHOSE TO MOVE HERE.

UM, WE, WE ARE LANDLOCKED AND HOMES.

UH, WE, WE DON'T LIVE DOWN IN, IN AREAS LIKE SOUTH COUNTY WHERE, YOU KNOW, RANCHO SANTA MARGARITA, WHERE THEY CAN BUILD HOMES BACK INTO THE HILL, THE HILLS OF, YOU KNOW, JUST THAT GO FOREVER.

AND THEY BUILD THE SHOPPING CENTERS AND THE SCHOOLS AND, AND, AND THE RETAIL AND ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT GO WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT THOSE NEW HOMES.

UM, THEY HAVE THAT LAND AVAILABLE AND THEY'RE ABLE TO DO THAT.

LAHABRA DOES IT HERE, THIS, THIS DEVELOPMENT PLOPS, THESE HOMES RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF, UH, OF CITY AND INCREASES AND TAXES, THOSE EXISTING, UH, INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S ALREADY IN PLACE.

AND THERE'S NO PLAN TO, TO BUILD UPON THAT IF IT'S JUST AN INCREASE.

AND SO, SO HAVA ISN'T LIKE OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE'S NO EL TORO BASE OF, YOU KNOW, GIVING A BIG LAND WHERE THEY CAN BUILD HOMES AND BUILD THESE SHOPPING CENTERS.

AGAIN, BARBARA IS DIFFERENT AND THE COMMUNITY HERE HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR AS RESIDENTS.

UM, AND VERY FEW HAVE, HAVE BEEN ON TO, TO SPEAK FOR IT.

AND THOSE THAT WERE THERE WAS TWO OR THREE THAT, THAT WERE ACTUALLY RESIDENTS.

AND I THINK THAT SPEAKS A LOT.

AND, AND, AND AGAIN, UH, LIKE SOME OTHER CALLERS HAVE SAID, UM, WE ARE RELYING ON YOU, THE COMMISSION TO, TO STOP THIS IN ITS TRACKS.

UM, TO ME IT SEEMS PRETTY CLEAR THAT THE COUNCIL HAS MADE UP THEIR MIND, UH, IS IN THE SENSE THAT THIS HAS GONE ON FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS, THAT IT WASN'T PUT TO BED LONG TIME AGO.

SO, SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY NOW TO, TO STAND UP FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND, AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY I BELIEVE THAT THIS IS THE RESIDENT'S ONLY OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, TO STOP A PROJECT.

THAT IS WHY THE POPULAR, UM, AND THE NAR HAS, HAS BEEN SPOKEN AGAINST, UH, BY SO MANY PEOPLE.

UM, HE WAS CAUGHT IN MY OPINION, LYING RIGHT ON, ON YOUR OWN VIDEO LAST NIGHT ABOUT THE STREETS AND WHAT HE KNEW, UM, AND JUST BEING BLATANTLY DISHONEST.

UH, YOU KNOW, MY, MY WIFE SHOPS AT THE TARGET HERE AND IDAHO AND IMPERIAL AND PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE SAYING, DUDE, DO YOU SUPPORT PARKS? WELL, OF COURSE PEOPLE SUPPORT PARKS HERE, SIGN HERE.

WELL, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY'RE SIGNING.

AND TO ME, THE DISHONESTY, THE FLAT JUST DISHONESTY OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACHIEVE SHOULD SPEAK VOLUMES IN, IN WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE.

AND, AND AGAIN, I'M A LITTLE APPALLED THAT IT'S EVEN GOTTEN TO THIS POINT AND FOR LONG, JUST BECAUSE IT IS SO, SO IN YOUR FACE OF SO MANY THINGS THAT, THAT ARE NOT RIGHT.

AND, UM, AND, AND JUST URGE YOU THAT, THAT, UH, THAT YOU TAKE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NUMBERS IN CONSIDERATION THAT WE ARE COUNTING ON YOU, LIKE SOME OTHER SPEAKER SAID, UH, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE YOUR KINDNESS AND PATIENCE FOR LISTENING TO MYSELF AND THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE BOTH FOR AND AGAIN, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. MANSION.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AS WELL.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

UH, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

JUDY SCOTT, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE BEFORE SPEAKING TO A COMMISSION.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER SPEAKER, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, UH, YOU'RE ON NOW.

UH, HAVE YOU TRIED STAR SIX? ARE YOU THERE? SPEAKER YOUR MICROPHONE, PLEASE.

THERE YOU GO.

CAN YOU, ARE YOU THERE SPEAKER?

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WELL, SHE MAY NOT BE THERE.

LET'S UH, LET'S MOVE TO THE NEXT ONE, VERONICA.

OKAY.

NEXT WOULD BE.

THANK YOU.

TELEPHONE.

(714) 404-4768.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

IF YOU'RE CALLING FROM A PHONE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, DIAL STAR SIX.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

IF YOU CAN HEAR ME SPEAKER, IT'S YOUR TURN, ANYBODY THERE? WELL, THIS IS DEFINITELY THE DOWNSIDE OF A, A MODERN PLATFORM SUCH AS THIS.

I KNOW IT IS TRICKY FOR AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE.

UM, SO WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO GET YOU IN, GET YOU IN AND GET YOU OUT, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE THERE EITHER.

SO IN THE INTERESTS OF THE GROWING NIGHT, VERONICA, LET'S TRY SOMEBODY ELSE.

OKAY.

UH, NEXT ONE NUMBER IS (562) 245-7195.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

IF YOU'RE USING A PHONE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, DIAL STAR SIX, TWO, USING YOUR COMPUTER, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

UH, HELLO.

UH, THIS IS DIANA, MY D I A N H A L B A.

THANK YOU.

SO I AM A 20 YEAR RESIDENT OF LA HOMBRE AND MOVE FOR VERY, VERY YOUNG.

AND I SEE MANY, MANY CHANGES GO ON.

AND LIKE MANY OF MY HOPPER NEIGHBORS, I WOULD CONCUR THAT.

UM, WE DO HAVE TO MOVE AHEAD AND PROGRESS, BUT I THINK 450 NEW HOMES IS, IS MORE THAN WE REALLY CAN.

CAN, UH, CAN TAKE, TAKE IN THIS AREA.

I HOPE THAT YOU WILL CONSIDER THE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS, MY OB RESIDENTS AND, UH, THE HOMEOWNERS AND THE RENTERS WHO REALLY ARE OPPOSED TO THIS.

UM, SOMETIMES IT FEELS LIKE OUR VOICE DOESN'T REALLY MATTER AND THAT THE LENNART IS OVERPOWERING WITH THEIR MONEY AND THEIR MARKETING.

AND I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER HOW THAT REALLY IS BOTHERSOME TO SEE WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THE, UH, THE, THEIR, THEIR LETTERS THAT I'VE SEEN ON THE WEBSITE THAT COME FROM OUT OF TOWN.

AND THAT COME FROM, IT LOOKS LIKE WHAT MY OTHER NEIGHBORS HAVE BEEN SAYING.

UH, SOME PAID PEOPLE IN FRONT OF A WALMART SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, UH, PARKS AND STUFF IN ROUTE, REALLY GIVING ME THE WHOLE PICTURE.

I JUST WANT TO END BY SAYING THAT, UM, THIS EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH TRYING TO ADDRESS THIS WHOLE PROJECT HAS AT TIMES BEEN VERY DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE IT FEELS LIKE THE LA HARBOR RESIDENT WHO LIVE HERE.

WHO'VE LIVED HERE FOR MANY YEARS OR WHO LIVED WITH HER FOR A FEW YEARS, BUT WANT TO MAKE THIS THEIR HOME.

UM, DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOUD ENOUGH VOICE FOR, FOR A LOCAL GOVERNMENT.

SO I HOPE YOU WILL CONSIDER THAT THIS IS REALLY GOING TO AFFECT OUR LIFESTYLE AND OUR HOMES AND OUR CHILDREN.

AND I HOPE YOU WILL REALLY LISTEN TO OUR VOICES AND TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU DECIDE ON THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU.

THE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR, YOUR INTEREST IN TIME.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, MAN.

UH, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WERE YOU GOING TO TRY JUDY SCOTT AGAIN? VERY GOOD.

MS. SCOTT, ARE YOU THERE? SPEAKER, ARE YOU THERE MS. SCOTT? HAVE YOU UN-MUTED WHICH EVIDENTLY IS A STAR SIX OPERATION.

WELL, ARE YOU THERE? OKAY.

YES.

HOW ARE YOU TRYING TO TALK TO (714) 404-4768.

IS THAT CORRECT?

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IS IT CORRECT VERONICA? THE PHONE NUMBER THAT I CALLED BEFORE, WHERE THERE WAS NO ANSWER.

OKAY, WELL, YOU'RE HERE NOW.

GIVE US YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME.

LET US KNOW.

MY NAME IS MY NAME IS NIKKI, N E C K I LAST NAME G R O T H U E S.

AND I LIVE ON NINE SPRINTS ON TEAKWOOD I'M IN THE REST HILLS AREA.

ACTUALLY I'M DIRECTLY MY IN AND OUT INTO THE HARBOR IS ON SANDALWOOD AND IDAHO.

THIS IS GOING TO BE THE MAIN TRAFFIC, WHICH IS ALREADY HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

AND I HAVE BEEN LIVING HERE WITH MY HUSBAND AND FIVE CHILDREN FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS.

AND WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS.

AND ESPECIALLY WHEN THE NEW DEVELOPMENT WAS SOUTH OF US, AFTER HERE, BY CLOSE TO FULLERTON, IT TOOK LITERALLY HALF A YEAR TO MOVE THE DIRT PRACTICE AND PRACTICE AND PRACTICE, AND CONSTANTLY THAT SMELL AND DIRT IN THE AIR.

SO I WOULD, EVERYBODY LIKED TO CONSIDER THAT IN ADDITION, BUT NOW I'M LIVING.

I HAVE TO BE CHECKING MY CLOCK WHEN I CAN GET OUT OF THE CITY, ACTUALLY FROM COUNTRY, HIS STANDARD TO HAVE ON INTERIORS BECAUSE THE SCHOOL CHILDREN ARE COMING THERE IN THE MORNING.

THERE ARE TWO SCHOOLS AT DIFFERENT TIMES, AND SCHOOL IS BEING LET OUT AT DIFFERENT TIMES.

SOMETIMES THEY HAVE TO MAKE A BIG DETOUR VIA EUCLID TO GET TO WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO GO.

SO THE MORE TRAFFIC AND MORE BUILDING UP, ESPECIALLY WITH PHYSICAL INSPECTION, IT'S REALLY BEING CAGED IN.

I LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT.

AND IT WAS, OF COURSE I DO SOME VOLUNTEER WORK IN THE CITY.

UH, THE TRAFFIC IN THE CITY IS PRETTY BAD TOO.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE TOO MUCH OF YOUR TIME, BUT THE POLLUTION DURING CONSTRUCTION IS UNBELIEVABLE.

AND HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THIS NOW.

AND I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER THAT AND THANK YOU FOR ALL OF YOU TO PISS IT IN MY CONCERN.

GOD BLESS YOU.

AND GOD BLESS LA HABLA.

WELL SAID IF I SAID THAT CORRECTLY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SHARING YOUR OPINION.

I APPRECIATE IT.

NEXT DOOR.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT CALLER.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON MUTED BEFORE SPEAKING TO THE COMMISSION.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES.

OH, GREAT.

MY NAME IS SIMON CHAN.

THAT'S I M O N C H A M.

UM, I LIVE IN WEST RIDGE, BUT I HAVE BEEN COMMUTE FROM A HOUSE IN THE HEIGHTS TO ORANGE COUNTY.

SO I'VE BEEN TROUBLE ON BEACH FOR WHILE, FOR LAST 20 YEARS.

SO I COME IN THIS, ALL THE CHANGES OF THE CITY.

OKAY.

GIVING GOOD AND ALSO BAD BECAUSE YOU FACE ALL THE CITY'S PROBLEM.

OKAY.

WELL, ALL THE CITY HAVE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF POLLUTION.

WE DON'T NEED TO NAME IT.

EVERYBODY KNOW ABOUT THAT ALREADY.

NOW WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPERS COME TO US AND SAY, OH, OKAY.

I WANT TO MAKE SOME NEW DEVELOPMENT AND I'LL GIVE YOU SOMETHING BACK.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO LISTEN TO THE DEVELOPERS.

I THINK THE, WE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO US.

WE PLAN OUR WAY.

OKAY.

AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS A FACT TIMING, YOU KNOW, THEY SUDDENLY PICK UP, UH, BRING UP THIS ISSUE AGAIN IN SEPTEMBER.

OKAY.

AND ONE D COME ON.

WE SHOULDN'T TRAINING, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THE DECISION.

OKAY.

IT'S A TOUGH, TOUGH CALL.

OKAY.

I THINK SO USE US TO POSTPONE FUEL NOVEMBER.

THERE'S ONLY TWO MONTHS AWAY.

WHY DON'T LEAVE IT TO THE HANDS OF THE CITIZENS? UH, THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE WE KNOW THE BEST FOR US.

I THINK IF THE COMMISSION CAN LISTEN TO US, SHE OPPOSED SWING IT TWO MONTHS, ONLY 60 DAYS AWAY.

OKAY.

PLEASE LISTEN TO THE RESIDENCE AS POSTAL, EVERYTHING TO NOVEMBER.

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WELL, THE MOLDING.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION.

UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S NINE 58, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF THE GENERAL WELFARE WELFARE, WE NEED TO JUST STEP AWAY FOR FIVE MINUTES.

UH, I'M SURE IT WILL BE THE LAST RECESS OF THE NIGHT.

SO I AM GOING TO CALL A RECESS AT THIS TIME AND ASK THAT WE ALL BE BACK PRESENT AT, AND NOW I HAVE NINE 59.

SO LET'S JUST CALL IT ON THE DOT 10 OH FOUR.

LET'S TAKE A QUICK FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

AND THEN WE WILL RECONVENE AT 10 OH FOUR.

AND REMEMBER, YOU DON'T NEED TO WORRY ABOUT YOUR SCREENS.

JUST LET THEM SIT THERE AND WE'LL SEE IN FIVE MINUTES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH OF THE COMMISSION.

PLEASE.

DO WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER? BERNAY OKAY, GOOD.

DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER? OH YES WE DO.

DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER MUNOZ? WE HAVE VICE-CHAIR MANLY.

DO WE HAVE A PICTURE? ALL RIGHT, GOOD.

AND DO WE HAVE ANDREW? YES, HERE AND VERONICA HERE.

GREAT.

WE NOW ARE RECONVENING THE MEETING AND AT YOUR CONVENIENCE, VERONICA, YOU CAN SEND US THE NEXT COLOR WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM SHIRLENE MARTIN.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON MUTED BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS CHARLENE MARTIN.

UM, I LIVE ON GREENBRIER LANE.

UM, MY GRANDMOTHER BOUGHT THIS HOME IN 1958.

MY FAMILY HAS LIVED HERE ON THE ENTIRE TIME.

UM, I GREW UP IN THIS HOUSE.

I LEFT FOR A LITTLE BIT, CAME BACK 20 YEARS AGO TO RAISE MY SON.

UM, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL CITY.

UM, WE HAVE RAISED MANY KIDS HERE AND IT'S DISTURBING TO ME THAT WE HAVE CONTINUED, UM, TALKING ABOUT BUILDING AND BUILDING.

UM, I UNDERSTAND PROGRESS, BUT AT WHAT COST, UM, YOU KNOW, I CAN REMEMBER DRIVING THROUGH, I'M GOING TO DATE MYSELF AS SOME OTHERS HAVE, UH, DRIVING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, BEACH BOULEVARD COMING THROUGH AND BEING IN THE CAR.

IT'S ALL PITCH BLACK.

AND THEN YOU COME TO, TO THE, THE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.

AND I KNEW THAT THAT'S WHEN I WAS ALMOST HOME.

UM, I LIKE SEEING OUR HILLSIDE.

I ENJOY OUR, OUR VIEWS HERE IN OUR, IN OUR SMALL CITY.

UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ANIMALS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DISPLACED.

I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH EFFECTS.

THERE'S LOTS OF RESIDENTS THAT HAVE BEEN ON HERE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE VERY SIMILAR THINGS THAT I WOULD HAVE SAID.

UM, I DO WANT TO KEEP IT SHORT, CAUSE I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY LONG MEETING, BUT, UM, WE ARE SEEING COYOTES AT ALL HOURS OF THE DAY.

UM, WHEN YOU BUILD THOSE HOMES, WHEN YOU TAKE AWAY THEIR SPACE, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY MANY, MANY ANIMALS HOMES.

UM, THOSE ANIMALS WILL BE DISPLACED.

THEY WILL FIND THEIR WAY INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO, UM, TO, TO COME INTO OUR, OUR, OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO SURVIVE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE TAKING THEIR LAND.

UM, WE SHOULD NOT BE TAKING AWAY THAT SPACE.

THAT IS A SPACE THAT WAS DESIGNATED AS OPEN SPACE AND IT SHOULD STAY OPEN SPACE.

SO PLEASE RESIDENTS OF THE HARBOR ARE SPEAKING LOUDLY.

UM, I'M PROUD TO BE FROM THIS CITY.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE, UM, SHOULD BE STANDING UP FOR.

I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING OUR COMMENTS AND SPENDING THE TIME, UM, DOING THIS.

I REALLY HOPE THAT YOU LISTEN TO OUR VOICES.

UM, THERE ARE MANY OF US ON HERE SAYING THE SAME THINGS OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

UM, AND WE LOVE THE CITY.

THAT'S WHY WE LIVE HERE.

THAT'S WHY WE RAISE OUR FAMILIES HERE.

THAT'S WHY WE SEND OUR KIDS TO SCHOOL HERE.

SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYS THAT WAY.

WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR GENERATIONS AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE HERE FOR GENERATIONS, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO OVERBUILD AND YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT A PLACE THAT PEOPLE REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE, UM, IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO STAY.

SO THANK YOU, MARTIN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE VERY MUCH VALUE YOUR CONTRIBUTION ON THIS.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

THANKS AGAIN.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM PHONE NUMBER FOUR, TWO FIVE THREE FOUR FIVE EIGHT FOUR ONE ONE.

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PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

IF YOU'RE CALLING FROM A TELEPHONE TO UNMUTE YOURSELF, DIAL STAR.

HI, THIS IS ALEX KIM, A L E X.

HEY, I AM.

I LIVE ON PINAL PLACE SO I CAN LOOK AT THE GOLF COURSE FOR MY BEDROOM.

SO THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL DEFINITELY AFFECT MY, MY LIFE VISUALLY, LITERALLY.

SO, AND IT'S GONNA EFFECT ME ALL THROUGHOUT THE CONSTRUCTION, AS WELL AS WHEN THE HOMES ARE THERE.

SO MANY OF US WHO SPOKE OUT THIS EVENING HAVE LIVED IN LABRA FOR LIKE MANY YEARS, 20 AND EVEN SOME 50 AND MORE, BUT AS A ONE YEAR OLD RESIDENT, I WANTED TO KIND OF VOICE MY OPINION ON THIS MATTER.

SO I MOVED IN LAST YEAR AND THAT WAS AFTER SPENDING MANY YEARS, A COUPLE OF YEARS LOOKING A PLACE TO LIVE.

AND I DID SELL DOWN HERE BECAUSE OF ALL THE OPEN SPACES.

SO I UNDERSTAND FOR THOSE WHO HAVE LIVED HERE FOR MANY YEARS, THEY SAW THE SPACE, YOU KNOW, SHRINKING OVER THE YEARS.

BUT FOR THOSE WHO MOVED IN RATHER RECENTLY, THE EXPECTATION WAS THAT THIS WAS KIND OF STAYED AWAY.

IT IS SO, AND I DIDN'T CALL HIM YESTERDAY BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THIS HAPPENING, BUT TODAY I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL ABOUT IT.

SO I'M GLAD I DID, BUT I WONDER HOW MANY NEW RESIDENTS ARE NOT AWARE THIS IS HAPPENING TO THE COMMUNITY.

SO, AND I CAN'T IMAGINE THOSE WHO ARE DRIVING UNLESS YOU'RE WORKING FROM HOME ALL THE TIME.

AND IF YOU'RE DRIVING ON THE STREET, ESPECIALLY ON IDAHO, I CAN'T IMAGINE ANYBODY AGREEING TO THIS WITHOUT HAVING THE STREETS ALSO BEING DEVELOPED.

AND WHEN I HEARD THAT THE STREETS WOULD REMAIN THE SAME WHILE ADDING SO MANY NEW HOUSES, IT JUST MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.

AND AS AN ENGINEER, I CAN'T IMAGINE DOING ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND CIVIL ENGINEERING AND THEN NOT COME UP WITH A CONCLUSION THAT YOU CAN LEAVE EVERYTHING THE SAME AND EXPECT THAT THIS, THE LIFESTYLE FOR THOSE FOR LIVE HERE WOULD REMAIN THE SAME.

SO JUST DON'T WANT TO JUST WANT TO STAY THAT THERE ARE NEW RESIDENTS HERE WHO CAME IN WITH EXPECTATION THAT THIS WILL REMAIN THE SAME, NOT REALIZING THIS WAS GOING TO CHANGE.

AND SO IT JUST WANTED TO JUST WANT TO VOICE THAT OPINION AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, MR. KEN, WE APPRECIATE YOU VOICING THAT OPINION.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, SIR.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL TRY JUDY SCOTT AGAIN, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU'RE FROM.

PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE.

IF YOU'RE USING A PHONE DIAL STAR SIX SPEAKER, ARE YOU THERE? MS. SCOTT, MS. SCOTT, WE WERE HOPING THIS THIRD TIME WOULD BE THE CHARM.

YOU TRIED UNMUTING STAR SIX.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? WELL, IT'S A FRUSTRATING DEVELOPMENT.

WE CAN TRY AND GET JUDY SCOTT ON HERE, UH, WITH GREAT RIGOR, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT MAY NOT BE MEANT TO BE.

UM, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO MOVE ALONG AGAIN, RONICA, I SUPPOSE THE NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL TRY VICTOR PEREZ, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

IT'S A VICTOR PEREZ, VIC, T U R P E R E Z.

I'VE BEEN IN FLORIDA SINCE 1977.

MY BROTHER-IN-LAW MOVED IN JUST A FEW HOUSES AWAY FROM ME AND HIM AND MY SISTER ARE NOT SPEAKING TO THE TIME, BUT THEY WANT ME TO SPEAK FOR THEM.

ALL OF US ARE AGAINST THIS WILL DAMAGE OUR WAY OF LIFE.

THERE IS NO QUESTION TO THAT HAPPENING.

NOW.

WE'RE WONDERING WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS 49 DAYS BEFORE A VOTE ON X.

IT'S, SOMETHING THAT I SAW HERE AND I'M GOING, WHY ARE YOU GUYS TAKING THIS STEP TO PUSH THIS THROUGH? I WORKED AT THE POST OFFICE HERE FOR YEARS AND BARBARA AND I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE THE DRIVE IN, WAS OVER HERE AND THEY HAD MONKEYS AND ALL THAT STUFF.

AND I SEEN THE CHANGES.

THEY NEVER BEEN MUCH, MUCH GOOD.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN SOME THINGS, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND YOU GOTTA HAVE SOME THINGS GOING ON IN THE WORLD AND STUFF, BUT THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A BASE IN TWO FOR KIND OF HOLDS THE AIR HERE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS HARD FOR IT TO GET OVER TO THE OTHER AREAS AND STUFF.

SO YOU'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF THIS, UH,

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MOVING THE PROPERTY, MOVING, UH, DIGGING SEWER LINES AND STUFF.

AND A LOT OF THAT'S GOING TO GO IN THE AIR AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO AWAY FROM BAHAVA.

IT'S GOING TO SETTLE AROUND HERE, HURTING THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE.

HOW CAN YOU DO THAT? HOW CAN, HOW CAN THEY CONSIDER DOING THAT? SO I VOICED AGAINST IT AND, UH, MY SISTER COURTNEY YANA IS MY BROTHER-IN-LAW JULIANA'S AS WELL.

OKAY.

WE APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND HOPE YOU GUYS GIVE A LITTLE TIME BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING HERE.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU, MR. PEREZ.

ALL RIGHT, NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM DIANE D PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE BEFORE SPEAKING TO THE COMMISSION.

I HAVE SPEAKER, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

HI, GOOD EVENING.

UM, I'M A 20 YEAR RESIDENT.

OH, MY NAME IS DIANE, D I A N E DOMINGEZ, D O M I N G U E Z.

AND I LIVE OFF OF WHITTIER AND , I AM NOT DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT AS A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA, I HAVE GREAT CONCERN, UM, OF THE IMPACT THAT IT WILL HAVE ON THIS COMMUNITY.

WE ARE AN HA I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS AND I HAVE SEEN THE INCREASE OF TRAFFIC.

UM, I MOVED FROM THE CITY OF DOWNEY.

I LEFT THERE AFTER, UM, BEING THERE FOR 20 YEARS.

IT WAS BECOMING SO DENSE AND, UM, TRAFFIC WISE, I NEEDED TO GET OUT.

WE NEEDED MORE SPACE, LESS TRAFFIC, LESS, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE.

WE CAME HERE FOR THAT REASON.

AND I SEE THAT IF THIS DEVELOPMENT GOES THROUGH, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

THE DENSITY OF THE COMMUNITY IS GONNA BE A LARGE IMPACT.

UM, WE NEED TO, I THINK I HOPE THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL CAN RETHINK THIS AND MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION AS THE IMPACT ON THE LONGTERM TO THE COMMUNITY.

UM, AND LEAVE THE, UM, OPEN SPACE POSSIBLY AS A REGIONAL PARK.

I ENJOY HAVING THE, UM, THE SWIRLS AND THE LITTLE, THE BIRDS, THE BUTTERFLIES THAT YOU SEE FLYING AROUND THE AREA.

WE HAVE WILD PARROTS.

UM, YOU KNOW, WE NEED OUR NATURE.

I THINK THAT, UM, THIS DECISION IS BEING KIND OF PUSHED THROUGH THE PROCESS.

I THINK POSSIBLY YOU'RE DOING YOUR, YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE DOING YOUR DUE DILIGENCE, BUT REALLY YOU'RE TRYING TO PUSH THIS THROUGH.

AND I THINK IT HAS TO BE RECONSIDERED.

DO NOT PASS THIS, LET IT GO ANOTHER YEAR, OR DON'T EVEN PASS IT AT ALL.

THERE HAS BEEN SO MANY PEOPLE WITH THE SAME CONCERNS AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER THE TRAFFIC.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO OVER THE AIR QUALITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, UM, WHAT'S THE IMPACT GOING TO BE TO OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A SMALL DEPARTMENT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE, WHY DON'T YOU PUT THAT MONEY INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY? OUR STREETS NEED IMPROVEMENT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT CAN'T WE DEVELOP A PLAN TO PROVIDE BETTER INTERNET SERVICE IN THE CITY.

THE INTERNET SERVICE IN THIS CITY IS HORRIBLE.

WHY CAN'T YOU PROVIDE A FIBER OPTICS, UH, CONNECTION INTO THE CITY? YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER THING WHEN YOU BRING IN 400 MORE RESIDENCES, THERE ARE 450 MORE RESIDENCES THEY'RE GOING TO NEED INTERNET SERVICE.

IF WE CAN'T, WE'RE ALL WORKING FROM HOME DUE TO COVID.

CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE LIKE IN A YEAR, TWO YEARS? SO YOU NEED TO CONSIDER ALL OF THAT, NOT JUST YOUR, AND I'M NOT MEANING YOU, BUT I MEAN, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS DECISION AS TO THE IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO LEAVE WITH THE CITY FOR FIVE, 10, 15 YEARS.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. MENDEZ.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

YOU TOO.

THANKS.

AND DO WE HAVE ANOTHER CAR? THERE ARE THREE MORE ON HOLD.

WE WILL HEAR FROM ADRIAN LEE,

[07:40:02]

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

MAKE SURE YOU TURN ON YOUR MICROPHONE BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS ADRIAN LEE, A D R I E N N E L E.

AND I LIVE WITH MY FAMILY AND THE WESTBRIDGE COMMUNITY.

AND I'M SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

WHILE I HAVE A TON OF EMPATHY FOR THE ARGUMENTS REGARDING THE HOUSING CRISIS.

I'M IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

WE CAN'T NEGLECT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT IT WILL HAVE AS THIS CANNOT BE REVERSED.

I'D LIKE TO SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT THAT THIS VELVET WOULD HAVE.

I'M A FREQUENT EARLY MORNING RUNNER AROUND THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

AND I OFTEN SEE COYOTES ROAMING AROUND THE STREETS AND HOUSES.

THE MOST RECENT COYOTE I SAW AROUND WAS A LITTLE BABY COYOTE ALONE, WALKING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET BY ITSELF.

IT SAW ME AND STARTED RUNNING AWAY TO GET AWAY FROM ME.

AND THAT MOMENT IT REALLY HIT ME.

AND I REALIZE FIRSTHAND HOW MUCH WE HUMANS HAVE ALREADY DISTURBED THE ANIMAL'S ENVIRONMENT.

THOSE COYOTES WILL ALSO LIKELY ENTER THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IF BUILT.

AND THEY MAY CAUSE HARM TO PETS THAT ARE KEPT IN THE BACKYARDS OF THOSE HOMES.

THAT'S HAPPENED TO A DOG OF OURS AS A FEW YEARS AGO, THE BUILDING OF THE HOMES IN WEST RIDGE, WHERE I LIVE ALREADY HAS TAKEN AWAY THE HABITAT OF THE COYOTES.

THE BUILDING OF OVER 400 NEW HOMES WILL TAKE AWAY EVEN MORE OF THEIR HABITAT.

THOSE WILL CAUSE HARM AND DESTRUCTION TO THE ECOLOGY ENVIRONMENT OF THOSE HALLS OF, UM, THAT AREA, THIS AREA THAT MANY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA ENJOY.

UM, ONCE THE FRAGILE ECOLOGY OF THIS AREA IS TO SEARCH.

WE CANNOT GO BACK.

DO YOU BELIEVE IN, ALL RIGHT, MS. LEE? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN STILL HEAR ME IF YOU'RE STILL THERE.

WE MIGHT'VE HAD A LITTLE INTERNET DROPOUT.

UM, I, THERE WE GO.

OKAY.

YOU'RE BACK.

WE LOST YOU THERE FOR A SECOND.

OH, THAT WAS IT.

OKAY.

I THOUGHT YOU WERE WRAPPING IT UP, BUT I WASN'T SURE.

YEAH, NO.

I WANT TO RESPECT YOUR TIME.

SO, NO, THAT'S FINE.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR SPEAKING.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL TRY JUDY SCOTT, ONCE AGAIN, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS ON MUTED BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

I THINK I FINALLY GET MY MICROPHONE UN-MUTED CAN YOU HEAR ME? THERE WE GO.

YES, WE CAN HEAR YOU.

YES.

ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

THIS IS JUDY.

SCOTT IS J U D S C O T T.

AND I LIVE IN MAHAMUDRA.

I'VE BEEN IN LAHABRA FOR 51 YEARS.

UM, BUT JUST RECENTLY, THE LAST 20 YEARS, I, I LIVE NEAR BEACH BOULEVARD LAMPERT.

SO THIS WOULD AFFECT US A LOT.

AND OF COURSE, UM, THE TRAFFIC IS, IS A REAL BAD ISSUE, BUT, UM, JAMES LEE HIT ON A LOT OF THE THINGS.

SO I WON'T REPEAT ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THAT.

UM, BUT TO US AL AND I HAD L HAS WORKED AT THE CHEVRON, UM, LABORATORY FOR MANY YEARS BEFORE THEY CLOSED.

AND THERE IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING GOING ON IN THE SOIL OR SOMETHING OVER THERE BECAUSE THEY HAD, UM, UM, QUITE A FEW CASES OF, UH, BRAIN TUMORS, UH, BEFORE THEY FINALLY CLOSED THAT FACILITY.

AND SO, MMM AYE.

ARE YOU GONE? OH, SO I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE SOIL WOULD BE BETTER NOT TO DISTURB THAT SOIL.

AND, UM, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD REALLY IMPACT THE, THE COMMUNITY OF LAHABRA TO HAVE MORE HOUSES AND EVERYTHING WE ARE JUST OVER DONE WITH ALL THESE HOUSES.

AND, UM, IS THERE ANYTHING? NO, UH, MY NAME IS AL MASON, SORRY, BUDDY.

AND, UH, BUT, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE I'VE THE REASON THE GOLF COURSE WAS APPROVED FOR THAT AREA WAS THAT THAT WAS CONSIDERED AN UNSUITABLE, UH, USE OF THE LAND, EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS THIS QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THERE WAS SOME KIND OF TOXICITY FROM IT OR NOT, UM, THE FORMER, UH, PETROLEUM DEVELOPMENT IN IT.

UH, BUT, UH, AT THE TIME I THINK THEY WANTED TO AVOID, UH, RESIDENCES THERE.

CAUSE NOBODY COULD TELL

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US, INCLUDING THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, WHAT THE STATUS WAS OF WHY THESE GLIOMAS, THE BRAIN CANCERS HAD OCCURRED.

UH, SO PART OF OUR VIEW IS THAT IT SHOULD BE LEFT, UH, ESSENTIALLY UNDISTURBED AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FROM THE WAY IT IS NOW.

SO THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS, THE OTHER REASONS ARE THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THE EXTRA THINGS THAT COME WITH THAT.

AND YOU'VE HEARD ALL OF THAT AND BEEN VERY PATIENT TO HEAR IT ALL FROM EVERYBODY.

SO I WON'T REPEAT ALL OF THOSE ISSUES, BUT WE ARE OPPOSED TO IT.

ALL RIGHT, MS. SCOTT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I'M GLAD THE TIME WAS A CHARM.

WE FINALLY GOT YOU IN HERE, SO WE APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE IN, UH, GIVING US YOUR OPINION.

I FELT I NEEDED TO SAY MY WORDS.

THANKS.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

UH, WE, WE, WE HAVE A FRAMEWORK IN PLACE HERE WHERE UNFORTUNATELY, FOLKS WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FINISH THIS MEETING TONIGHT.

UM, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS TAKE ONE MORE COLOR AND THEN EXPLAIN I'LL HAVE THE, THE DIRECTOR EXPLAIN WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND HERE FOR, UH, ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.

UH, WE STILL HAVE, UH, EVEN AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF THE, UH, ORAL TESTIMONY, THE COMMISSION STILL HAS ABOUT AN HOUR'S WORTH OF ITEMS. WE HAVE TO PLOW THROUGH EVEN AFTER PEOPLE HAVE STOPPED SPEAKING.

SO WE'VE GONE OUT TO 10 25.

SO WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FINISH THIS TONIGHT.

IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE, BUT WHAT WE WILL DO IS ENTERTAIN ONE MORE COLOR.

IF VERONICA HAS ONE MORE AND THEN WE'LL EXPLAIN HOW WE'LL HANDLE THE BALANCE OF THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK.

OKAY.

SO FINAL COLOR PLEASE.

OKAY.

NEXT SPEAKER.

YOU HAVE BEEN ON MUTED, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR MICROPHONE IS TURNED ON BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

GO AHEAD SPEAKER, GO AHEAD.

SPEAKER SPEAKER A, A STAR SIX TO UNMUTE IF YOU'RE THERE.

WELL, WHILE WE'RE WAITING TO SEE IF CONNECTION IS MADE, UH, WHO, HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE IN THE QUEUE NOW? UH, CHRONICALLY, THERE ARE FIVE HOLDING TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION FIVE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THAT'S WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, UNFORTUNATELY.

UM, I THINK MAYBE WE'LL TRY ONE MORE.

CAN WE JUMP TO THE NEXT AND JUST GET THAT PERSON IN PERHAPS? SURE.

OKAY.

UH, NEXT SPEAKER IS MARIBEL.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM.

PLEASE UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HI, MY NAME IS MARIBEL LOPEZ.

CAN YOU HEAR ME ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

KIM B LIKE BOY, E L L E L O P E Z.

MY ADDRESS IS 1821 SOUTH FOURTH COURT.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL COMMISSIONERS FOR BEING SO PATIENT.

I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN AN EXHAUSTING TWO DAYS FOR EVERYONE, BUT WE ALL REALLY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

I HAVE A LETTER THAT SOMEONE REACHED OUT TO ME.

HE'S EIGHT YEARS OLD AND HE ASKED ME TO READ IT FOR HIM AND I PROMISED HIM I WOULD.

AND IF I COULD, I WILL READ HIS LETTER FIRST.

AND I JUST HAVE A FEW WORDS OF MY OWN.

IT'S FROM MR. LEE.

QUARNSTROM L E Q U O L E IS THE FIRST NAME THEN Q U A R N S T R O M.

THEY LIVE ON, OKAY.

I'LL HAVE TO LOOK FOR THE ADDRESS.

UM, BUT ANY, OH, HERE'S THEIR ADDRESS? IT IS SEVEN ZERO ONE LA VERENA DRIVE, L A V E R E D A.

TRY IT.

HE ASKED ME MARY BELL.

THANK YOU FOR OFFERING TO READ OUR LETTER ON OPEN SPACE PRESERVATION TO THE LA HARBOR CITY COUNCIL AT THE APPROPRIATE PUBLIC HEARING.

I AM UNFORTUNATELY WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS A SHEDDING AND BOTH MY WIFE AND I ARE ELDERLY AND AVOIDING AS MUCH PUBLIC COMMENT AS MUCH PERSONAL PUBLIC CONTACT AS POSSIBLE.

YOU MAY READ THIS PARAGRAPH TO, TO THE COUNCIL TO CLARIFY WHY YOU ARE SPEAKING ON OUR BEHALF.

AND IF YOU CAN PLEASE GIVE COPIES OF THE LETTER TO EACH MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

ANYWAY, HERE'S OUR LETTER.

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MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED IN THE HARBOR SINCE WE PURCHASED OUR HOME ON LOVER REDA DRIVE IN 2001 DURING THE TWO DECADES THAT WE HAVE BEEN HOMEOWNERS HERE, WE HAVE SEEN LAHABRA GROW FROM A LOVELY, COMFORTABLE CITY TO AN OVERCROWDED SUBURB WITH LITTLE OR NO CHARACTER, AN URBANIZED CLUSTER NOW OF ANONYMOUS LOOKING TOWNHOUSES THAT MIGHT SOMEDAY WE FEAR TURN INTO OVERCROWDED SLUMS. WHETHER THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY MADE LAHABRA SEEM LIKE LITTLE MORE THAN A PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO WORK ELSEWHERE, TO SLEEP AND SHOWER FLOURISH, OR WHETHER THEY DETERIORATE INTO DENSELY POPULATED APARTMENTS.

RESIDENTS WILL NEED MORE OF THE AMENITIES THAT YOUR COUNSEL HAS ALLOWED YOU TO DIMINISH THE THOUSANDS OF NEW RESIDENTS AND EXISTING NEW BUILDINGS OR IN PROPOSED BUILDINGS ON THE GOLF COURSE, PROPERTY WILL NEED AMONG MANY THINGS OPEN SPACE YET BY ALLOWING THIS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT, YOU WILL BE ELIMINATING MUCH OF THE VERY OPEN SPACE THAN YOU RESIDENTS WOULD REQUIRE.

AND OF COURSE, WHILE THE HOGWANS HAVE GONE THROUGH DROUGHTS OVER THE YEARS AND HAVE DUTIFULLY CUT BACK ON WATERING, OUR LAWNS ELIMINATED WASHING OUR CARS.

AND IN MANY CASES CUT BACK ON ALL FORMS OF WATER USE.

THE CITY COUNCIL HAS MOCKED OUR WATER PRESERVATION EFFORTS BY ALLOWING HUNDREDS OF NEW HIGH DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, THAT HOUSE THOUSANDS OF NEW RESIDENTS WHO ALSO NEED TO TAKE SHOWERS AND WASH DISHES AND DO THE LAUNDRY AND USE MORE OF THE PRECIOUS WATER.

WE ARE ALLOTTED.

THIS WILL REQUIRE MORE POLICE AND FIRE SERVICES.

THEY WILL CREATE EVEN MORE TRAFFIC ON OUR OVERCROWDED STREETS.

THEY WILL BE SENDING KIDS TO SCHOOL WHEN KIDS ARE ALLOWED TO CONGREGATE AGAIN, AND THEY WILL BE LOOKING FOR PUBLIC PARKS TO GATHER IN AND FOR OPEN SPACE TO HELP THEM KEEP THEIR SANITY IN A CITY WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL SEEMS HELL BENT ON FILLING EVERY VACANT SPACE WITH HIGH DENSITY BUILDINGS.

SURELY YOUR COUNCIL WILL LET THE PEOPLE OF LA HARBOR DECIDE FOR OURSELVES.

WHETHER WE WANT TO ELIMINATE A PORTION OF OUR TINY RESERVOIR OF AVAILABLE OPEN SPACE, THE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THIS IN NOVEMBER MEASURE.

X WILL GIVE US A CHANCE TO EXPRESS THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, NOT JUST THE WILL OF THE CITY, BIG WIGS, MY WIFE AND I STRONGLY URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO DEFER TO THE VOTERS ON WHETHER TO DEVELOP HUNDREDS OF HIGH DENSITY RESIDENCES OF THE SO-CALLED RANCHO LA HOMBRE, A NAME THAT CONJURES UP IMAGES OF BUCOLIC WONDERLAND, WHERE CHILDREN IN COWBOY OUTFITS CAN RIDE HORSES ACROSS WIDE OPEN PLAINS, GIVE US A BREAK.

WE CANNOT COME RIGHT NOW DUE TO YOUR TWO.

WE CANNOT COME RIGHT NOW TO YOUR MEETINGS DUE TO HEALTH REASONS.

AND WE HOPE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WILL STOP TRYING TO RAMROD THIS DEVELOPMENT DOWN OUR THROATS.

WELL, MANY OF US WHO LIVE IN VOTE IN THIS ONCE, WONDERFUL TOWN ARE HOME BOUND BECAUSE OF THE COVEN VIRUS.

THANK YOU, LEE AND CHRIS KORN STRENGTH.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONERS FOR ALLOWING ME TO READ THAT BECAUSE I GAVE HIM MY WORD THAT I WOULD, AND I JUST HAVE A FEW WORDS OF MY OWN THAT I WANTED TO SAY.

UM, THE RANCH HARBOR PROJECT PROMISES MANY BENEFITS TO THE CITY, AND I CAN SEE WHY THE CITY FEELS COMPELLED TO APPROVE THE PROJECT.

HOWEVER, I AM APPEALING TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, AS WELL AS THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PLEASE LISTEN TO YOUR THOUSANDS OF CONSTITUENTS WHO HAVE MADE THEIR VOICES HEARD AND WHO WANT TO PRESERVE THE OPEN SPACE IN OUR CITY.

ALL OF YOU HAVE LIVED IN THIS CITY FOR MANY YEARS AND ALL OF YOU WILL BE AFFECTED AS WELL BY THE ISSUES THAT I AM ABOUT TO POINT OUT RIGHT NOW.

ONE OF THE ISSUES I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT THE LAND AT THE GOLF COURSE IS BUILT ON HIS LAND.

THAT WAS NEVER INTENDED FOR HOMES TO BE BUILT DUE TO THE TOXIC WASTE WHERE THE LAND WAS OWNED BY CHEVRON.

THAT'S WHY IT WAS ORIGINALLY ZONED FOR OPEN SPACE RATHER THAN HOUSING.

AT ONE TIME WITH YOUR CHRISTIAN HIGH SCHOOL HAD SURVEYED THE SITE AS A POTENTIAL LOCATION FOR THIS SCHOOL.

HOWEVER, DUE TO THE TOXIC WASTE IN THE GROUND, THE LAND WAS DEEMED AS NOT SAFE FOR BUILDING SUCH AS A SCHOOL OR HOUSING.

THAT'S WHY IT WAS ZONED FOR OPEN SPACE IN THE FIRST PLACE AND SUBSEQUENTLY A GOLF COURSE TO PUT HOUSES ON THIS LAND WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE NOT TO MENTION A HAZARD FOR AIR QUALITY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO REPEAT THESE FOLLOWING FACTS FOR THE RECORD.

SINCE THERE MAY BE PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE EIR, BECAUSE IN THE ER, IT STATES THAT ALTHOUGH THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD NOT RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN THE FREQUENCY

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OR SEVERITY OF EXISTING AIR QUALITY VIOLATIONS OR CAUSE, OR CONTRIBUTE TO NEW VIOLATIONS, PROPOSED HOUSING AND POPULATION GROWTH WOULD BE INCONSISTENT WITH THE AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR THE SOUTH COAST BASIN.

AND THEN IT STATES THAT THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE PROPOSED RANCHO LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN WOULD RESULT IN A NET INCREASE IN GREENHOUSE GAS, EMISSIONS OF 6,037 METRIC TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE EMISSIONS PER YEAR, WHICH WOULD EXCEED THE SELF COAST AIR BASE IN AIR QUALITY MANAGEMENT PLANS, SCREENING THRESHOLD OF 3000 METRIC, TONS OF CARBON DIOXIDE PER YEAR.

SO THAT IS ALMOST DOUBLE WHAT IS THEIR SCREENING THRESHOLD? SO I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS, HOW THIS PROJECT WILL IMPACT OUR HEALTH.

I WORK AT ST.

JUDE HOSPITAL AND MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT I WORK WITH SUFFER FROM RESPIRATORY DISEASES, SUCH AS CHRONIC OBSTRUCTIVE PULMONARY DISEASE, OR FOR SHORTS, COPD, COPD IS A DISEASE THAT MAKES IT HARDER TO BREATHE.

IT IS ALSO A PROGRESSIVE DISEASE, WHICH MEANS IT CAN WORSEN OVER TIME.

THE DEFINITION FROM THE MAYO CLINIC IS THAT CHRONIC OBSTRUCTIVE PULMONARY DISEASE IS A CHRONIC INFLAMMATORY LUNG DISEASE THAT CAUSES OBSTRUCTED AIRFLOW FROM THE LUNGS.

SYMPTOMS INCLUDE BREATHING, DIFFICULTY, COUGH, MUCUS PRODUCTION, AND WHEEZING.

IT'S TYPICALLY CAUSED BY LONGTERM EXPOSURE TO IRRITATING GASES OR PARTICULATE MATTER.

PEOPLE WITH COPD ARE AT INCREASED RISK OF DEVELOPING HEART DISEASE, LUNG CANCER, AND A VARIETY OF OTHER CONDITIONS.

DO YOU KNOW HOW DEVASTATING THAT DISEASES TO HAVE REDUCED LUNG CAPACITY AND THEN NOT BE ABLE TO FULLY EXPAND YOUR LUNGS? BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DIZZY THAT THEY CANNOT DRAW ENOUGH OXYGEN FOR A PERSON TO ADEQUATELY FUNCTION IN THEIR EVERYDAY LIFE.

THE AIR POLLUTANTS THAT WILL RESULT FROM THE GRADING AND BUILDING OF THESE PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT SIX YEARS WOULD DRAW THESE POLLUTANTS AND IRRITANTS INTO OUR AIR.

AND THE EFFECTS WOULD NOT BE LIMITED TO JUST THE SURROUNDING AREA OF THE PROJECT.

ALL OF LAHABRA AS WELL AS OUR NEIGHBORS IN WHITTIER FULLERTON, BRAYA BLAINE APART AND LAMA RADA WOULD FEEL THE EFFECTS AS WELL.

THIS WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO OUR HEALTH, OUR PARENTS' HELP OUR GRANDPARENTS' HEALTH, AND THEN EVEN OUR CHILDREN'S HEALTH.

WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE EVERY LAST SQUARE INCH OF OUR CITY BUILT OUT INTO CONCRETE AND RISK, HAVING EXPOSURE TO THESE DANGEROUS CONTAMINANTS.

WE HAVE TO ALLOW TO HAVE SOME AREAS ALLOTTED FOR GRASS AND TREES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE ADEQUATE OXYGEN EXCHANGE AND FRESH AIR TO BREATHE.

AND LASTLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEND THIS WORD TO THE CITY COUNCILS THAT THIS METHOD OF HAVING A HEARING IS DISCRIMINATORY TO PEOPLE THAT DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY, KNOWLEDGE TECHNOLOGY, OR MEANS TO ATTEND SUCH AN IMPORTANT MEETING.

IN FACT, THAT WAS MY FRIEND CAROL HANSEN, WHO COULDN'T GET ON THE FIRST TIME, HOW I'M JUST WONDERING HOW MANY PEOPLE WEREN'T ABLE TO SPEAK BECAUSE THEY'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY SIGNING INTO THIS ZOOM.

SO PLEASE ALLOW AN IN-PERSON HEARING SO THAT EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO INTERACT, HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID, INTERACT WITH CITY COUNCIL AND ASK AND RECEIVE RESPONSES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOVERNOR HAS ISSUED GUIDELINES FOR HOLDING PUBLIC HEARINGS DURING THIS PANDEMIC.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY MUST FOLLOW THEM.

HOWEVER, DUE TO HOW IMPORTANT THIS MEETING IS TO ALL OF YOUR CITIZENS, THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO POSTPONE THIS MEETING SO THAT EVERYONE YOUNG AND OLD WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A REGULAR IN PERSON MEETING, WHICH IS THE ONLY FAIR OPTION FOR ALL OF LAHABRA.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MS. LOPEZ, WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT, A GREAT DEAL.

UH, THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT BEFORE AN APPLAUSE, OR JUST BRIEFLY JUST TO EXPLAIN TO MY COLLEAGUES AND TO THE PUBLIC LISTENING, UH, WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT, IT'S, IT'S APPROACHING 10 40.

THE CURFEW TIME IS 10 30.

WHAT WE HAVE LEFT IS, UH, THE READING OF WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE, AND WE HAVE A ROUGH ESTIMATE OF THAT TAKING ROUGHLY 30 MINUTES.

THEN WE HAVE THE APPLICANT REBUTTAL, WHICH WE'RE BUDGETING, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY AS MUCH AS 30 MINUTES, AND THEN FINALLY DELIBERATION AND ROLL CALL ON THIS MATTER, WHICH COULD BE ANOTHER 30 MINUTES

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TO AN HOUR.

SO, AND PLUS WE HAVE SOME SPEAKERS I THINK, STILL REMAINING.

UH, SO FOR THAT REASON, IT'S, IT'S COMPLETELY UNFEASIBLE FOR US TO FINISH THIS TONIGHT.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS ASK THAT EVERYBODY WHO'S STILL IN THE QUEUE, BOTH IN OPPOSITION, AND IF THERE'S ANY PEOPLE IN SUPPORT WHO WERE UNABLE TO CONNECT LAST NIGHT, IF YOU WOULDN'T HAVE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HANDS INDICATING THAT YOU WISH TO SPEAK, AND THAT LIST WILL BE FROZEN AND WE WILL ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK TOMORROW NIGHT WHEN WE RECONVENE.

SO ANDREW, IF YOU WANT TO ADD ON TO THAT, OR IF DAVID WOULD LIKE ADD ONTO THAT, THAT IS FINE.

AND WE NEED TO WAIT, I THINK A FEW MINUTES TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT SCREEN CAP, IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS OF THE RAISED HANDS.

SO LET ME KNOW ANDREW, IF THAT'S A, IF I SAID THAT CORRECTLY, YES, DARREN.

UH, THIS IS ANDREW, UH, UH, YOU'VE SAID THAT, UH, ACCURATELY, UH, I'LL AGAIN, REITERATE TO THE AUDIENCE, THE CHAIRS INSTRUCTIONS, UH, FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND, UH, ON THE, IF YOU'RE ON THE COMPUTER, UH, NAVIGATE TO PARTICIPANTS ICON AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, UM, CLICK ON THAT AND THERE SHOULD BE A RAISE HAND ICON THERE.

UH, CLICK ON THAT.

RAISE YOUR HAND.

IF YOU ARE CALLING BY PHONE, PLEASE PRESS STAR NINE TO RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND, UH, RIGHT NOW THE COUNT IS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR FIVE SIX SEVEN EIGHT, NINE, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, FINAL COUNT.

WE'LL FIND OUT COUNT.

WE HAVE 16 SPEAKERS FOR TOMORROW.

ALRIGHT.

AND IS THAT NOW FROZEN? DID YOU SCREEN CAP? YEAH, I DID TAKE A PICTURE OF IT AND, UH, WE WE'VE GOT IT.

OKAY.

SO FOLKS, IF YOU'VE RAISED YOUR HAND PRIOR TO THIS FINAL COUNT, UH, YOU'LL BE ALLOWED TO SPEAK, UH, SPEAK TOMORROW.

UH, 16 IS PROBABLY GONNA TAKE AS LONG AS MAYBE AN HOUR AND A HALF TO GET THROUGH.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THEN IS ABOUT THREE HOURS FOR TOMORROW NIGHT CAUSE SO MY COLLEAGUES UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND, UH, WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU, ANDREW.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK VERONICA CARMEN, ROY.

UH, I'D LIKE TO THANK, UH, UH, JANETTA AND DAVID FOR BEING HERE WITH US THE ENTIRE NIGHT.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION NOW TO CONTINUE THIS PUBLIC HEARING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNTIL A DATE CERTAIN WHICH IS TOMORROW.

UH THAT'S.

IS THAT THE 16TH? YES, I THINK THE 16TH AT 6:30 PM.

SO THAT'S MY MOTION.

AND DO I HAVE A SECOND SECOND THAT DARREN? THANK YOU.

UH, ROLL CALL WOULD BE A COMMISSIONER BERNAY YES.

COMMISSIONER PAL.

YES.

COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

YES.

COMMISSIONER MANLEY.

YES.

AND I VOTE, YES.

SO WITH THAT THEN AGAIN, THANKS TO ALL.

AND ALSO THANKS TO ALL THE FOLKS WHO SPOKE TONIGHT AND WE WILL RESUME THIS AGAIN TOMORROW NIGHT AT SIX 30, AGAIN, WITH THE SAME ID AND THE SAME PASSCODE.

UH, THANKS AGAIN AND GOOD NIGHT.

GOOD NIGHT.

SURE.

I'M HERE AND WE HAVE A COMMISSIONER BERNAY SO THAT'S GOOD.

ALL RIGHT, THEN LET'S GET THIS STARTED, LIKE TO SAY GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS DARREN AND SARAH AND I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE OHIO CITY PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND WE WELCOME YOU, UH, TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH WAS CONTINUED FROM LAST NIGHT.

AND, UH, WELCOME BACK TO ALL PREVIOUS VISITORS.

SO TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE YOU TO PLEASE COME TO ORDER AND JOINT COMMISSIONER POWELL IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

THANK YOU.

AND OF OUR HEARTS.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JERRY, FOR THE SECRETARY OF POLICE CALDWELL.

THIS IS COMMISSION SECRETARY CARMEN,

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COMMISSIONER MUNOZ, VICE CHAIR, MOLLY HERE.

COMMISSIONER POWELL HERE.

COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YEAH.

SHARON NAZARIAN, ALLAH PRESENT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, CARMEN.

WE WILL NOW RECONVENE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE RANCHO LAHABRA PROJECT.

AS A REMINDER OF THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION OF NUMBER ONE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE.

TO CHANGE THE LAND, USE DESIGNATION FROM OPEN SPACE TO LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND THAT ZERO TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE FOR PLANNING AREAS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, AND MIXED USE ONE FOR PLANNING AREA FIVE OR THE RANCHO HOPPER SPECIFIC PLAN TWO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE.

AND THAT'S SCH NUMBERS TWO (015) 111-0453 AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE, CAUSE IT WILL HARBOR HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN FOR ZONE CHANGE ONE EIGHT ZERO ONE TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM ROBERT HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN TO RANCH, RANCHO LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN FOR THE AREA OCCUPIED BY WESTBRIDGE GOLF COURSE, FIVE ADOPTION OF THE RANCHO LA SPECIFIC PLAN SIX VESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP ONE SEVEN EIGHT FOUR FIVE SEVEN DESIGN REVIEW ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE THROUGH ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO FIVE FOR RANCHO HARBOR SPECIFIC PLANNER IS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN, AND FINALLY DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE.

SO TONIGHT THE MEETING WILL BE CONDUCTED IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER.

THE CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE REOPENED TO THE POINT WHERE WE LEFT OFF WHEN WE LAST NIGHT, THOSE THAT WERE IN THE QUEUE.

AND BY THAT, I MEAN, THOSE WHO RAISED THEIR HAND AND WERE RECORDED AS HAVING DONE SO WILL BE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT.

HOWEVER, NO ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS WILL BE TAKEN TONIGHT.

AS THE COMMISSION WILL HAVE TAKEN THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY IN SUPPORT AND OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND HAS APPROPRIATELY PROVIDED THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO COMMENT ON THE PROJECT.

AND I'LL NOW ALLOW THE CITY ATTORNEY TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSIGHT INTO THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME.

HI, UH, UH, ANDREW HALL DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE A SPECIAL COUNSEL A DAY YOUNG FROM RICHARD WATSON, GAR SHAWN AND GENETIC WILL BE PROVIDING A HELPFUL TO THE COMMISSION TONIGHT.

AND I'LL HAND IT OVER TO SERITA AT THIS TIME.

I SEE THAT.

THANK YOU, MR. HO.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

UM, YES, JUST AS A REMINDER, UM, THE COMMISSION HAS NOT IMPOSED ANY TIME LIMITS ON SPEAKERS THUS FAR, UH, HAS NOT CONTINUED, HAS CONTINUED TO WELCOME ALL PUBLIC INPUT AND HAS PROVIDED THE PUBLIC WITH AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS TO THE COMMISSION TO ADEQUATELY DELIBERATE ON THIS MATTER.

AND SO AFTER EIGHT, UM, EIGHT OR MORE HOURS OF PUBLIC TESTIMONY, UH, IT IS A REASONABLE MEETING MANAGEMENT MEASURE OF THE CHAIR TO LIMIT FURTHER TESTIMONY TO THOSE, UM, WHO INDICATED THEIR DESIRE TO SPEAK DURING YESTERDAY'S MEETING, BUT COULD NOT DO SO BECAUSE OF TIME CONSTRAINTS.

SO, UM, AS A REMINDER, UH, FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, UM, THE COMMISSION'S ROLE IN THIS PROJECT IS TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HOLD ITS OWN PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MATTER.

SO THE GENERAL PUBLIC WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS IN SUPPORT AND AN OPPOSITION, UH, OR AN OPPOSITION AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

VERY GOOD SERITA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

I'LL ADD THAT NO TIMELINE.

ONCE AGAIN IS PLACED ON INDIVIDUAL COMMENTS TONIGHT, WHOEVER IT IS REQUESTED THAT YOU LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO NEW INFORMATION.

AND OF COURSE, ANYONE WHO BECOMES ABUSIVE OR DISPLAYS ANY INAPPROPRIATE PUBLIC BEHAVIOR WILL BE REMOVED FROM THE COMMENTARY, A PERCENT PURSUANT TO ESTABLISH RULES.

THERE WILL BE A 10:30 PM CURFEW, UH, AND IN THAT VERY UNLIKELY EVENT, ANY BUSINESS NOT COMPLETED BY THAT TIME WILL BE CONTINUED TO THE NEXT COMMISSION MEETING.

IF AN ADDITIONAL MEETING DOES BECOME NECESSARY, THE COMMISSION INTENDS TO CONTINUE THE MEETING TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING TIME AND WE'LL UTILIZE THE SAME ZOOM ACCESS NUMBERS.

A COMMISSION WILL TAKE HEALTH BREAKS AT THE CHAIR'S DISCRETION.

AND WHEN WE DO THAT, WE'LL RECESS FOR A VERY SHORT PERIOD AND THEN RECONVENE, FALLEN PUBLIC TESTIMONY.

THE STAFF WILL SUMMARIZE ANY RECEIVED SINCE 5:00 PM TODAY FOR THE RECORD.

UH, THEN THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL AFTER WHICH WE WILL THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, FOLLOWING THE CLOSE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE COMMISSION WILL ENTER INTO DELIBERATIONS AND THEREFORE PROVIDE DIRECTION TO STAFF ACCORDINGLY.

SO NOW'S THE TIME TO HEAR IT FROM OUR LAST GROUP OF SPEAKERS.

AND I'VE BEEN ASKED TO READ THE LIST AS WAS RECORDED LAST NIGHT.

SO ALL THE FOLKS WERE ON THE LIST, SKIN PREPARE, GET READY TO SPEAK.

THE ORDER IS A NUMBER ONE, SHAVEN BROWN, NUMBER TWO,

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ROBERT RAMOND NUMBER THREE, NUMBER (714) 447-1735.

NUMBER FOUR, CALLING USER TWO, NUMBER FIVE, TYLER L NUMBER SIX.

GREG'S LAPTOP NUMBER SEVEN, DQ NUMBER EIGHT, MARIE LABIANCA NUMBER NINE.

YES.

ON X NUMBER 10.

LINA DAMO NUMBER 11, L H NUMBER 12.

YES.

ON X NUMBER 13, BENJAMIN F NUMBER 14, DIANE D NUMBER 15 (714) 468-4140.

AND NUMBER 16 IS ALEX.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

SO VERONICA YOU'RE WITH US, CORRECT.

THEN WHENEVER YOU'RE READY, IF YOU'D BE SO KIND AS TO CONNECT US TO THE FIRST COLUMN.

OKAY.

GIVE ME A MINUTE TO SEARCH FOR CHAVONNE BROWN PLEASE.

OF COURSE.

THANK YOU.

CHAVONNE BROWN.

IF YOU ARE LOGGED IN, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY.

OKAY.

SCENE, UH, THERE IS NO ONE BY THAT NAME LOGGED IN.

GO TO NUMBER TWO.

ROBERT ROMAN, IF YOU'RE LOGGED IN, CAN YOU RAISE YOUR HAND PLEASE? OKAY.

WE WILL MOVE ON TO NUMBER THREE.

IT'S A PHONE NUMBER (714) 447-1735.

IF YOU'RE LOGGED IN, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE CALLING IN VIA PHONE, PRESS STAR NINE.

OKAY.

MOVING ON TO NUMBER FOUR, CALLING USER NUMBER TWO.

IF YOU ARE LOGGED IN, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY.

MOVING ON TO NUMBER FIVE, ISLER L I AM UNMUTING YOU.

PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR END TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

IF YOU'RE USING A PHONE, PRESS STAR SIX, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

GO AHEAD, SPEAKER.

I AM ATTEMPTING TO START MY VIDEO, BUT IT SAYS THE HOST HAS STOPPED MY VIDEO.

ARE YOU ABLE TO HEAR ME? WELL, I CAN HEAR YOU PERFECTLY.

SO THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S SEE.

THERE YOU GO.

HOW ABOUT NOW? CAN YOU, CAN YOU SEE ME EXCELLENT.

YES, YES.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

A GERMAN AREA AND COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS CJ LEES.

THAT'S L E S.

I'M THE CHIEF DEVELOPMENT OFFICER OF THE WESTRIDGE COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION AND A VOLUNTEER FOR OUR POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE SAVE LAHABRA.

UM, YOU KNOW, MY INVOLVEMENT IN THIS GOES WAY BACK, UH, MANY YEARS, UH, WHEN I CAME TO, BECAUSE OF THE INDUSTRY I WORK IN, I HELPED MY PARENTS AND IN SOME OF THEIR NEIGHBORS, UM, WORK ON AN ISSUE THAT CONCERNED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY AT THE TIME.

UM, THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, MY ROLE AT THE TIME, JUST SO YOU KIND OF UNDERSTAND MY BACKGROUND AS, AS YOU ASKED MR. FAUST AND OTHERS.

UM, I'M, I'M THE FORMER HEAD OF DEVELOPMENT, UH, ESSENTIALLY A STRATEGIC PLANNING GROUP FOR THE WALT DISNEY COMPANY, UH, THE DISNEY DISNEY LAND PROPERTIES, AND THEN LATER WITH IMAGINEERING, UH, RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT, GLOBAL DEVELOPMENT.

AND, UH, SO I, IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, I FEEL LIKE THE HANDLING AND WE DID A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT DEALS AT DISNEY.

I'M GOOD BEFORE I LEFT THE CITY COUNCILS AND A LOT OF STATES AND INTERNATIONALLY, UM, I FEEL THAT THAT WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE TO THE PEOPLE OF LAHABRA AND PARTICULARLY WITH THE DEALINGS OF LENORE AND THOSE PEOPLE, AS WELL AS

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SOME OF THE PROCESSES USE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GET INTO IN A FEW MINUTES, UM, YOU KNOW, HA HAVE BEEN AS, UH, UH, WE'LL SAY JUST MISLEADING, DECEPTIVE, AT LEAST AT LEAST ON, ON WEBINARS PART, AS, AS I'VE SEEN IN 10 YEARS, THIS IS A VERY, IT'S A VERY BAD PROCESS FOR THIS, THESE RESIDENTS.

AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON THAT I'VE, I'VE, I'VE VOLUNTEERED MY TIME, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE A LOT OF THE HIGHER GUNS YOU HEARD, YOU LIVED IN IRVINE AND ALL THESE OTHER PLACES.

AND MY FOLKS ACTUALLY LIVE IN WESTERN RIDGE.

I, I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS FROM EACH BOULEVARD, UH, FROM THAT.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO I'M HERE TO, I'M HERE TO HELP.

AND, UH, AND JUST LIKE EVERYBODY AT SAVE LAHABRA, YOU KNOW, I VOLUNTEERED MY TIME AND TRY TO HELP THE RESIDENTS ORGANIZE THEIR VOICE.

UM, WHAT I, WHAT I FIGURED OUT VERY QUICKLY AS THE, AND I THINK YOU ALL FIGURED OUT THROUGH THIS PROCESS IS THESE ARE PRETTY REMARKABLE FOLKS.

I MEAN, THESE ARE, THESE ARE FOLKS THAT DIDN'T REALLY NEED A LOT OF HELP FORM THEIR VOICE.

THEY EXPRESS THEIR THOUGHTS EXTREMELY WELL.

UM, THEY'RE SOPHISTICATED.

THEY'RE VERY BEST IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE HEARD 50 YEAR RESIDENTS, 60 YEAR RESIDENTS, RIGHT.

THAT HAVE, THAT HAVE, UH, HAVE BEEN PART OF THIS.

UM, YOU'VE HEARD FROM PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WHO LIVE HERE, WHO HAVE KIDS WHO GO TO SCHOOL HERE, EVEN PEOPLE WHO SHOP HERE WHO SAY, YOU KNOW, IF THIS THING HAPPENS AND THE TRAFFIC AND THIS AND THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO SHELTER ANYMORE.

AND SO I THINK THERE'S ALL SORTS OF STARTED CONSTITUENCIES THAT, THAT YOU ALL ARE CONSIDERING, OF COURSE, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU DO VERY DIFFICULT WORK AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE MOST, THE UTMOST RESPECT FOR THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO AND WHAT THE CITY COUNCIL DOES.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID DO HERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE LEFT THE RESIDENTS, SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, BUT I HAVE HELPED THEM.

AND WE'VE HELPED THEM TOGETHER WITH SOME PROFESSIONALS, OBVIOUSLY ATTORNEYS AND SO FORTH AND OUR VOLUNTEERS, UH, BUT, BUT, UH, TO, TO PUT TOGETHER AN INITIATIVE, UH, AND I THINK YOU'RE ALL, YOU'RE ALL PROBABLY AWARE OF MEASURE X, WHICH IS ON THE BALLOT AND THESE GOOD RESIDENTS, ALL MANY OF WHOM HAVE CALLED IN HERE, UH, OUR PLACE TO VOTE ON THAT ISSUE.

AND JUST A COUPLE OF WEEKS, I MEAN, THE BALLOTS COME OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER, THE MAIL, THE MAIL BALLOTS WILL COME OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF OCTOBER AND THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, GUIDED BY THIS DEVELOPER AND SORT OF THE, THE PRESSURE THEY'VE BEEN AT THAT THEN SEE, I'VE BEEN SEEING, UH, YOU KNOW, CINDY'S GOING TO HAVE A VOTE IN A PROCESS ON THIS AT A TIME WHEN YOU'RE WEEKS AWAY FROM THE CITIZENRY, FROM THE VERY VOTERS, YOU ALL REPRESENT EXPRESSING THEIR DIRECT VOICE ON THIS MATTER OF OPEN SPACE THAT WOULD AFFECT THIS PARCEL.

AND IT WOULD AFFECT EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL ARE REPORTING TO DO HERE TONIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, I TALKED TO A LOT OF, I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF LADIES ATTORNEYS AND A LOT OF FRIENDS IN THE INDUSTRY.

I SAID, YOU EVER SEEN THIS IN ANOTHER CITY I'VE EVER SEEN WHERE THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE BALLOT AND A CITY COUNCIL.

IT COULD ACTUALLY BE THE CASE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE INITIAL WE GIVE WINS IN BETWEEN READINGS BETWEEN THE FIRST AND SECOND READING.

AND THIS IS PRETTY, THIS IS A PRETTY SORT OF EGREGIOUS SITUATION YOU'RE SIGNING UP.

UM, WE'RE GONNA START ABOUT IT.

I THINK YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE FRUSTRATION FROM THE, FROM THE, FROM THE, UH, THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS.

UM, I THINK WHAT HAPPENED LAST NIGHT SORT OF ADDS TO THAT FRUSTRATION A BIT, UM, YOU KNOW, GIVING THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS NOT CLOSED PUBLIC HEARING.

THERE WAS NO MOTION.

THERE WAS NO VOTE ON THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IT'S UNFORTUNATELY THE CITY WOULD PREVENT, UH, ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS FROM PARTICIPATING TONIGHT.

UH, YOU KNOW, CAME BACK FROM BREAK LAST NIGHT, UH, PROSPECTIVELY CLOSE TO CLOSE THE MEETING BASED ON THE FOLKS THAT WERE IN QUEUE.

UM, I THINK WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE WERE TENS AND TENS, PROBABLY 50 PLUS SPEAKERS THAT HAVE SPOKEN.

AND AT ANY ONE TIME DURING THIS MEETING, THERE WERE NO MORE THAN FIVE OR 10 HANDS UP AT ANY TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, MAYBE 15 HANDS AT ONE POINT, BUT THERE WERE NEVER 50 HANDS OR A HUNDRED HANDS.

IT WAS NEVER PEOPLE, PEOPLE KIND OF CAME IN AND OUT OF THE CALL, AS WE WOULD EXPECT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE STATE, THIS FORUM, THE, THE COUNTY, UH, CLEARLY THE COUNTY HAS CHANGED THE STATUS ON THE STATE'S LIST.

SO PURSUANT TO THE GOVERNOR'S EXECUTIVE ORDER, YOU COULD HAVE HAD AN IN PERSON OPTION FOR THESE FOLKS, BUT YOU CHOSE NOT TO DO THAT.

UM, DON'T KNOW WHY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MOTIVATION WAS, BUT I ASSUME THEY'LL TAKE IT AT FACE VALUE THAT IT, THAT IT IS THAT YOU NOTICED THAT THIS WAY.

AND THAT'S THE WAY YOU WENT AHEAD WITH IT.

UM, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, GIVEN SOME, GIVEN SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ABOUT LONDON AND THE DECEPTION AND THE OPINION POLL AND ALL THE STUFF THAT'S GONE ON HERE, THESE RESIDENTS ARE DEFINITELY VERY HURT, VERY DISENFRANCHISED AND, AND FRANKLY, PRETTY MAD.

AND THERE'S SOME COUNCIL SEATS THAT ARE HONEST, HONEST ELECTION RIGHT NEXT TO MEASURE X.

SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULDN'T BE AT ALL SURPRISED IF, IF THE CITIZEN WHO TAKES THEIR, THEIR ANGST OUT OF THE BALLOT BOX.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, MY, MY, MY PERSPECTIVE FOR TONIGHT IS I'M GOING TO TRY TO GO THROUGH FOR YOU.

I'LL TRY TO TAKE THIS FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT WE'VE KIND OF RECOGNIZED OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME HERE WITH THE NARS PATTERN OF CONDUCT.

UH, YOU KNOW, WE THINK THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN A BIT, AT LEAST STAFF HAS BEEN A BIT COMPRESSED AND ALL THAT.

AND, UH, THEY HAVE ATTEMPTED, UH, TO ADVANTAGE, I BELIEVE, OR AT LEAST DISADVANTAGE ADVANTAGE OR DISADVANTAGE THE PEOPLE AT MANY POINTS ALONG THE PROCESS.

AND, AND WE FEEL THAT, UH, LAST NIGHT'S CAPPING OF, OF THE, UH, SPEAKERS GOES AGAINST, IF NOT THE LETTER, CERTAINLY THE PRINCIPLE OF THE TRUST THAT WE'VE BUILT UP WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD ON AND OFFLINE WITH THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS ABOUT HOW THIS HEARING WOULD HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED.

SO WE FEEL THIS IS A PRETTY BIG, UH, BREACH,

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UH, ANY EVENT.

UH, SO LET ME, LET ME JUST, UH, AND, AND THIS, BY SAYING, UH, KIND OF THE PREAMBLE, I JUST WANT TO END THIS BY SAYING THAT I FEEL, I FEEL LIKE YOU ALL DO HAVE AN IMPORTANT JOB TO DO, UM, AND PARTICULARLY, YOU KNOW, UH, MS. BURNEY, I MEAN, YOU, YOU ALL HAVE BEEN VERY BRAVE ABOUT PUTTING IT TO THIS DEVELOPER AND YOU HAVE BEEN ASKING TOUGH QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, MR. AND AREA, YOU ASKED A LOT OF VERY GOOD QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT, UH, THAT PUBLIC OPINION POLL AND HOW THAT WAS SET UP AND HOW THAT WAS MISLEADING.

SO I THINK, I THINK YOU'RE ONTO SORT OF WHAT WE'RE ON TO.

SO WHAT I'VE SEEN AS I'VE COME INTO THIS AS A THIRD PARTY, UM, AND YOU KNOW, SO WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE AND WHO THE CITY IS DEALING WITH HERE, I THINK IS AS RELEVANT AS ANYTHING ELSE.

SO FOR THE REST OF MY REMARKS, I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT WHO ARE WE DEALING WITH AND ARE, AND WHAT HAVE THEY DONE, UH, TO, TO THESE RESIDENTS? THEY HAVE BEEN STRAIGHT FORWARD.

HAVE THEY BEEN STRAIGHTFORWARD? THE CITY HAVE, THEY'VE BEEN STRAIGHTFORWARD, THE RESIDENCE.

SO LET'S START AT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE THINGS STARTED FIVE YEARS AGO, SORRY, LET'S GO, ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THE NINETIES.

THEY SOLD A PLAN, TWO OF THEM, VERY DIFFERENT COUNCIL.

BUT AGAIN, THIS, THIS CITY, UH, YOU KNOW, ANDERSON WAS ON THE COUNCIL, SIMONIAN WAS ON THE COUNCIL, SIMONIAN'S RUNNING AGAIN.

UH, THEY SOLD A PLAN.

IT WAS ABOUT BUILDING HOUSES AND BUILDING A BUFFER ZONE, WHICH WAS A GREEN BELT.

IT WAS A BUFFER ZONE THAT WAS IN, UH, THAT WAS INTENDED TO MAINTAIN GREEN SPACE AND KEEP THE RESIDENCE AND THE SHOPPING DISTRICT AND CERTAIN TRAFFIC IMPACT SEPARATE.

AND THAT IS A WHAT, IN FACT, WHAT HAPPENED NOW THAT DEVELOPER THEN SOLD HOMES TO PEOPLE IN A GOLF COMMUNITY.

EVERY PIECE OF MARKETING MATERIAL HAD GOLF ON IT.

EVERY SINGLE, UH, STREET IN A DEVELOPMENT IS NAMED FOR A GOLFER.

IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT, UH, YES, THERE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A PARTICULAR VIEW GUARANTEE OR A PARTICULAR WHATEVER FOR THE, FOR THE FOLKS WHO LIVED IN, IN WESTRIDGE.

BUT, UH, TO HAVE THE VERY, THIS IS NOT A DIFFERENT DEVELOPER.

THIS IS THE VERY SAME DEVELOPER.

COME BACK TO THE TABLE FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF PROFITS FOR ANOTHER ROUND OF, OF, UH, YOU KNOW, OF HOUSES TO BUILD, TO TAKE OUT THE GREEN BELT THAT THEY PROMISED TO COUNCIL.

AND THEY PROMISED THE PEOPLE, UH, IS, IS, IS A PRETTY OUTRAGEOUS CLAIM.

AND THE FACT THAT THE CITY WOULD, YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE A DUTY TO PROCESS AN APPLICANTS, UH, APPLICATION, UH, BUT THE CITY IS TAKING THIS TO SERIOUSNESS.

IT IS, WE FEEL THIS IS A TOUGH ONE TO THESE RESIDENCY.

SO BEAUTIFUL PARKS AND COMMUNITIES.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE SAME SPIEL.

THE SPIEL YOU'VE HEARD WAS THE SAME FIELD THEY HEARD IN THE NINETIES.

AND WHAT DID WE HEAR FROM THE RESIDENTS? WE HEARD LOCK TRAILS THAT WERE SO POORLY PLANNED.

THEY HAD TO BE LOCKED ALL THE TIME, GRAFFITI CRIME.

THEY HAD A, THEY HAD A LITTLE A PARK THAT WAS SET UP SET ASIDE.

I THINK FOR SOME INDIAN ARTIFACTS, ALL THE ARTIFACTS DISAPPEAR.

THE GLASS CASES WERE SMASHED.

THERE WAS JUST VERY POORLY PLANNED, POORLY DESIGNED STUFF.

AND THE CITIZENS, I MEAN, OF COURSE THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM ALL THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WAS, THAT'S WHAT WAS ADVERTISED.

BUT OF COURSE, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS HOW IT WORKS OUT WITH COMPANIES LIKE LENORE SHAME ON THEM.

AND LASTLY, WE HEARD FROM FOLKS LIKE TOM BLANE AND OTHERS WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY TOLD ME SONY, IT WAS NEVER GUARANTEED, BUT, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO THE CITY AND THEY SAID NOTHING, WHATEVER.

THIS IS OPEN SPACE AND THE OPEN SPACE AND THE JARED, IT'S NOT EVEN JUST SPECIFIC PLANS OF THE GENERAL PLAN.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT AT ALL.

RIGHT.

IT'S JUST A CONTRACT THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, NO VIEWS OR GUARANTEE THAT'S IN EVERY, EVERY HOUSING DOCUMENT.

BUT IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, YOU GUYS MISSED AS WELL AS ANYONE.

I MEAN, ZONING IS AMONG THE MOST PRECIOUS, HIGHEST OBLIGATIONS, HIGHEST PROMISE THAT A COUNCIL THAT A CITY GOVERNMENT, THAT A PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES TO ITS RESIDENTS.

EVERYBODY RELIES ON IT.

EVERY TIME THEY BUY PROPERTY, EVERY TIME THEY TRANSACT BUSINESS IN THE CITY.

AND TO HAVE THIS SORT OF CHANGE SUDDENLY IN THIS GRAND WAY FOR THIS DEVELOPER, WHO'S DONE THESE THINGS WHO IS ESSENTIALLY COMING BACK RENEGING ON HIS DEAL, SELLING YOU THE SAME EMPTY PROMISES TO TRY TO GET ANOTHER AMOUNT OF PROFITS.

THAT'S ALL SIMPLY AS SIMPLE, A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT YOU HEARD, YOU HEARD MR. UH, MR. TAN GIVE IT EXACTLY.

HE GAVE YOU THE EQUATION.

HE SAID, AND I, AND I KNOW THIS FROM MY CORPORATE DAYS, WE DO A MODEL AND THE MODEL SAYS HERE'S HOW MUCH THE DEVELOPMENT CAN SUPPORT.

THAT INCLUDES THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MONEY THAT AFFORD THAT, THAT INCLUDES ALL THE PARKS.

THAT INCLUDES ALL THE GIVE BACKS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER.

UM, AND AT THE END OF ALL, THAT WE HAVE A PROFIT MARGIN WE MUST MAINTAIN.

AND SO THEY ARE BALANCED FOR THEIR PROFIT MARGIN AND THEY WILL DO WHATEVER THEY CAN DO WITHIN, YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME LIMITS TO, TO, TO, TO SEEK OUT THAT PROFIT MARGIN.

UM, SORRY, AGAIN, LET'S, LET'S LET, LET'S START THERE.

SO THAT'S WHERE, THAT'S WHERE WE, THAT'S WHERE WE CAME FROM.

SO THAT IS 2000 AS THE NINETIES THAT BRINGS US TO THEY'RE BACK AT THE TABLE AGAIN.

SO WHAT

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DID THEY DO WHEN THEY CAME BACK FOR MR. LEE? ARE YOU THERE? MR. LEE IS, WE'VE LOST YOUR VOICE IN SIGNAL.

YOU CAN HEAR US.

YOU CAN GET SOME CONCESSIONS.

YES.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? WELL, NOW WE CAN HAVE YOU BROKE UP THERE.

WE LOST IT FOR ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW, 15, 20 SECONDS.

OKAY.

I'LL ASK HIM.

I WAS GONNA INTERRUPT ANY.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.

AND I'VE BEEN ASKED TO ASK YOU THIS, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE TRY GENTLY.

IF I MAY ASK TO FOCUS ON THE REAL PARAMETERS OF THE PROJECT ITSELF, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUSINESS MODEL OF WYNONNA AND ALL THAT, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE EXTRANEOUS TO WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT TONIGHT.

I SIMPLY ASKED THAT WE REALLY KIND OF FOCUS ON, ON THE PROJECT ITSELF IF THAT'S OKAY.

UNDERSTOOD.

UNDERSTOOD.

UM, OKAY.

SO, UH, WHEN THE, UH, WHEN THE FETUSES GOT CONCERNED AND THEY, AND THEY CAME TO THE TABLE, I MEAN, THIS IS, THESE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

THESE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THE PROMISES.

THERE COULD BE NOTHING MORE CENTRAL TO THE PROMISES BEING MADE AND THE CHARACTER OF THE WHO'S MAKING THEM.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S OUR, THAT'S OUR TAKE ON IT.

WHEN THE CITIZENS GOT CONCERNED, THEY VNR CAME TO THE TABLE AND SAID, THIS IS A DONE DEAL.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICES HERE.

THEN WE'RE GOING TO RAN THIS THROUGH THE CITY.

THIS IS ALREADY DONE.

YOU CAN CHOOSE TO PLAY BALL AND GET WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU CAN GET FROM US, WHATEVER IT IS WE'RE OFFERING YOU.

OR YOU CAN JUST SIT BACK AND WE'LL DO IT WITHOUT YOU.

THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID.

AND THEY CAME BACK TO EVERYBODY.

DO YOU HAVE TO DO FOR THIS? THEY TALKED ABOUT IT IN THEIR OWN PRESENTATION.

SO CLEARLY, OBVIOUSLY A FAIR GAME FOR COMMENT.

YOU SAID THE GOLF COURSE IS FAILING.

THE GOLF COURSE IS CLOSING.

I THINK THERE WAS A LETTER THEY SENT OUT TO THE WHOLE COMMUNITY THAT SAID THE QUESTION OF WHETHER THE GOLF COURSE REMAINS IN EXISTENCE IS, IS, IS I'M PARAPHRASING HERE, BUT IS IT IT'S DONE? IT'S CLOSED.

JOEL, OF COURSE NEVER CLOSED.

AND YOU'VE HEARD FROM GOLFERS.

THE GOLF COURSE IS BUSY.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW BUSY WE CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE THEIR FINANCIALS, BUT THE GOLF COURSE IS BUSY.

AND THE GOLF COURSE, UH, HAS BEEN APPARENTLY INCREASING PRICING ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE INSIDERS WHO WAS TALKING ON I THAT IN THIS SCHOOL.

UM, BUT REALLY WHAT KILLS, WHAT KILLS A GREEN SPACE LIKE THIS? WHAT KILLS A GOLF COURSE? THIS IS THE DECLINING VALUE OF THE GAME OF GOLF, THE DECLINING POPULARITY OF THE GAME OF GOLF, AND REALLY WHAT IT IS, IS ENTITLEMENTS DEVELOPERS.

IT'S ENTITLEMENTS DEVELOPERS.

IT'S FOLKS LIKELY TO ARGUE, COME BACK TO THE WELL TO TAKE OUT THE VERY GOLF COURSE.

THEY PUT IN BY OFFERING A VALUE FOR THE LAND THAT ISN'T AS ENTITLED, AS ENTITLED AS OPEN SPACE.

IT'S WITH ONE VALUE AS OPEN SPACE, IT'S WORTH A DIFFERENT VALUE WITH ALL OF THE ENTITLEMENTS THAT YOU'RE CONSIDERING TONIGHT.

THAT DIFFERENCE IS JUST A HANDOUT TO THE DEVELOPERS.

I HAND OUT THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE OFF THE BACKS OF THE CITIZENS AND GIVE A RIGHT TO THE DEVELOPERS.

THE GOLF COURSE DOESN'T BENEFIT THE PUBLIC.

THEY SAY ANOTHER MISREPRESENTATION.

THIS IS NOT A COUNTRY CLUB GOLF COURSE.

THIS IS A GREEN BELT THAT HAS PLENTY OF PLENTY OF BENEFITS.

ALL AT ALL IN AND OF ITSELF IS A BUFFER ZONE AND A, AND A, A, AN A GREEN BELT.

BUT IT CERTAINLY HAS A BENEFIT TO THOSE WHO WANT TO GO OFF.

ANYBODY CAN WALK UP TO THAT COURSE IN PLAY.

YOU KNOW, THEY GOTTA PAY GREEN FEES.

I I'VE HIT THE DRIVING RANGE THERE.

I USE A COIN OPERATED MACHINE.

YOU CAN HIT ON DRIVING RANGE FOR NOTHING.

SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S A LITTLE BIT DISINGENUOUS TO SORT OF MAKE THIS SOUND LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A, UM, SOME KIND OF PRIVATE COUNTRY CLUB.

IT'S NOT.

SO WE HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF MISREPRESENTATIONS ABOUT THAT.

THEN WE COME INTO, WHAT CAN THE CITIZENS DO ABOUT THIS? SO THE CITIZENS ARE UPSET.

THE CITIZENS COME TO THE CITY, THEY TRY TO WORK THINGS OUT, NOTHING GETS WORKED OUT WELL.

DEVELOPER SAYS THERE'S NOTHING THAT CITIZENS CAN DO.

AND SO WE DO SOMETHING.

WE START, WE START AN INITIATIVE PROCESS, AND THAT IS BALLOT MEASURE X.

THAT IS THE VERY BALLOT MEASURE THAT YOU ALL ARE ATTEMPTING TO, UH, CIRCUMVENT.

UM, EVERYONE ON THIS CALL, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE THE SHELL DEVELOPED THE SHELLS FROM IRVINE AND ONTARIO.

EVERYBODY ELSE GETS TO VOTE ON THIS IN JUST A FEW WEEKS.

THANKFULLY, LENARA, DOESN'T GET TO VOTE.

THE CITIZENS GET TO VOTE.

AND IT'S THE POWER OF THE PEOPLE IN ITS MOST PURE FORM.

WE TOOK THOUSANDS OF SIGNATURES TO QUALIFY THIS INITIATIVE.

AND WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT DID THIS DEVELOPER DO? HOW, HOW MISLEADING, WHERE THEY, THEY WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND THEY SAID, IF YOU PUT IT ON, IF YOU ADOPT THIS WILL SUE YOU AND WILL COST YOU MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND WILL BANKRUPT THE CITY.

IF YOU CALL A SPECIAL ELECTION WILL SHOW YOU IF YOU PUT IT ON THE BALLOT, EVEN FOR NOVEMBER, 2020, WE'RE ASSUMING YOU, YOU NEED TO TAKE THIS TO THE SUPERIOR COURT AND INVALIDATE

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THE INITIATIVE, OR WE'RE GOING TO SEE NOW, OF COURSE, OUR COUNCIL AND MANY FOLKS WHO LOOKED AT THIS SAID, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO VALIDITY TO THOSE CLAIMS. THE CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, DID SORT OF THE MOST CONSERVATIVE THING THEY COULD DO.

AND THEY PUT IT ON THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER, 2020.

WHAT HAPPENED? THEY SHOO NO, IT WAS ALL BULLYING.

ALL OF IT WAS BULLYING.

AND THE SAME THING THAT THEY'RE DOING HERE TO YOU, YOU HEARD IT IN MR. TAN'S PRESENTATION.

HE TOLD YOU THAT YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT HE WANTED.

OTHERWISE THESE BAD THINGS WOULD HAPPEN TO THE CITY AND ITS RESIDENTS.

THEY TALKED ABOUT NIMBYISM, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS IS JUST LIKE THE WESTERN, THE FIRST DRESS, WESTERN DEVELOPMENT.

THESE PEOPLE GOT THEIR HOUSE.

EVERYBODY ELSE SHOULD GET THESE NEW HOUSES.

WELL, AS YOU ALL KNOW, CHANGING BLIGHT TO IT TO A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM COMING BACK IN AND REDEVELOPING, A FORMERLY PROMISED GREEN BELT IN AN EXISTING HOUSING DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS SO MUCH OF A TIE TO THE COMMUNITY ITSELF.

MR. LEE, I'M SORRY, JUST ONE REAL QUICK THING.

I HATE TO INTERRUPT.

I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE NOTE OF THE FACT FOR THE RECORD THAT WE ARE APPROACHING ABOUT 20 MINUTES, I WOULD ASK, I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS I WOULD ASK YOU TO TRY TO, AT THIS POINT FORWARD ADDRESS THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROJECT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE YOUR OPINION ON, AND ALSO REMIND YOU GENTLY THAT WE DO HAVE A PROVISION THAT WOULD OTHERWISE PREVENT WHAT WE CALL FILIBUSTERING.

SO WE CAN'T SPEND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME ON THIS PARTICULAR THREAD.

SO I'D ASK YOU TO TRY TO BE AS CONCISE AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN WITH, WITH OUR ADVANCED GRATITUDE.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT ME SUMMARIZING THE POSITION OF SAVE LAHABRA IS FILIBUSTERING THE COMMISSION? NO, NO, NO.

I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE'RE EVEN DOING THAT SIMPLE REQUEST THAT YOU TRY TO ADDRESS THE SPECIFICS WITH REGARD TO THIS PROJECT.

THAT'S REALLY, THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING.

I AM, I AM HAPPY TO DO THAT.

AND I AM DOING THAT.

SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO, WHAT I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU ALL IS THAT THE FOLKS THAT ARE MAKING THESE PROMISES, THE FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THIS WORK HAS BEEN MISLEADING AND DISHONEST WITH THE PUBLIC.

THEY CAN, WE UNDERSTAND, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S REALLY EASY.

AND I TOLD THEM MANY TIMES, WE DEFINITELY DO UNDERSTAND THAT AS YOU'VE HEARD EVERYBODY TALK OR WITHIN THE LAST EIGHT HOURS, WE DO GET THAT.

SO, I MEAN, WE GET THAT POINT OF VIEW.

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE UNDERSTAND.

NO, I GET IT.

BUT DID YOU INTERRUPT MR. MR. TIANA? WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ALL OF THE MANY THINGS THAT WERE UNTRUE IN HIS SPEECH, I MEAN, YOU DIDN'T INTERRUPT HIM ONCE.

YOU'VE INTERRUPTED ME THREE TIMES.

LET ME, LET ME CONTINUE.

AND IF YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I THINK, I THINK YOU'LL FIND THAT THIS, THIS HAS A POINT.

OKAY, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING SPECIFIC.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS IS A WESTBRIDGE PROBLEM.

THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD YOU.

THEY TOLD YOU, THIS IS JUST ABOUT WESTERN.

IT'S NOT ABOUT SENSITIVE, DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THIS, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THEY TOLD YOU.

THAT'S NOT TRUE.

YOU SAW IT.

YOU'VE SEEN IT YOURSELF.

IN THESE VERY CALLS.

THERE ARE PEOPLE FROM NORTH, NORTH LAHABRA WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT IT.

IT'S LIKE ONE OF THE ORGANIZERS OR THE ORGANIZERS WHO WORKS EVERY DAY.

I WILL SAY, WELL, HUBBARD IS FROM NORTH LAVA.

AS FAR AS YOU CAN GET FROM THE DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THE 6,000 CARS.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO THAT STUFF.

I WON'T DO IT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND IT.

WE'VE HEARD.

I THINK MR. FALLIS TOUCHED ON IT VERY WELL WITH HIS DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT VMT VERSUS LLS AND HOW THE EIO HAS DEFECTS IN THAT.

I BELIEVE ALSO, UH, YOU KNOW, BOTH, BOTH THE DEVELOPER, THE CITY, SOMEONE HAS BEEN SORT OF DISINGENUOUS HERE WITH OTHER CITIES AND WE'VE HEARD, WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER CITIES.

OTHER CITIES HAVE CONTACTED OUR ORGANIZATION ABOUT THE IDEA THAT TRAFFIC FIXES SHOULD BE DONE WHEREVER THEY SPILL INTO THE VERY NEIGHBORING COMMUNITIES.

WELL, WHAT HAS BEEN, WHAT HAS BEEN THE DEVELOPERS' RESPONSE TO THE CITY'S RESPONSE TO THOSE, THOSE QUERIES? IT'S THAT? WELL, THIS IS THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

TALKING TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOUTH OF THE LINE THAT SAYS, THIS IS DEFINITELY GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU DON'T HAVE MANY CHOICES.

THEY DO THE, WHEN I GET TO THE LINE OF LOGIC, THEY GO THE OTHER WAY AND THEY SAY, OH, WE GET, WE DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO WE PROBABLY, IT'S PROBABLY PREMATURE TO TRY TO TALK ABOUT ANY KIND OF TRAFFIC MITIGATION OR, OR, OR, OR SHARING OF BURDEN BETWEEN CITIES.

AND SO WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY, UH, THE, THE, THE OTHER CITIES DON'T MAKE THE REQUEST OR THE OTHER CITIES HAVE TROUBLE MAKING REQUESTS.

AND AS A RESULT, UH, THERE IS A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC MITIGATION IN SCOPE.

YOU UNDERSTAND? UH, I THINK WE'VE SAID IT'S ALL ABOUT PARKS AND TRAILS.

MR. TAN TALKED ABOUT THAT HIMSELF.

UH, YOU KNOW, MR. TAN'S IDEA OF PARKS AND TRAILS.

I MEAN, THE, THE WAY THESE DEVELOPERS DO THEIR PARKS AND TRAILS ARE THEY TAKE SCRAPS LIKE THE SUPERFUND SITE, LIKE, LIKE THINGS THAT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN BUILT BEFORE AND THEY CALL IT A PARK.

CAUSE THEY KNOW THEY CAN'T PUT A HOUSE ON IT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S IS THAT A PARK? IS THAT OUT OF THE GOODNESS OF THEIR HEART AT PARK? OR IS THAT JUST SOME SCRAPS I COULDN'T BUILD ON? SO WE'LL CALL IT A PARK AND TRY TO GET THE BEST, UH, THE BEST ADVANTAGE WE CAN OUT OF IT THROUGH OUR PROCESS.

THEY SAY IT'S ALL ABOUT SAVING WATER.

I THINK SOME RESIDENTS DID SOME VARIOUS DO CALCULATIONS, CLEARLY NOT ABOUT SAVING WATER.

IT'S ALL ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

THAT'S INTERESTING.

WE

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ALL ABIDE BY OUR PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

WE HAVE A SPECIFIC, A SPECIFIC ZONING THAT COMES WITH OUR HOUSES THAT WE PURCHASED THE CITY SORT OF MIXED A CONTRACT WITH IT'S WHETHER IT'S, UH, WHEN IT'S GOVERNED.

AND IF WE CAME TO YOU AND WANTED TO PUT A GAS STATION OR A HOTEL IN OUR FRONT YARD, YOU'D SAY NO, BUT TO THIS DEVELOPER, THE RULES DON'T APPLY THE SAME WAY.

WHY? BECAUSE THEY CAN SIT IN A BACK ROOM FOR FIVE YEARS WITH THE CITY MANAGER, NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT PRIOR TO THIS, TO ANYBODY HEARING ABOUT IT, OR BEING INVOLVED FROM A CITIZEN'S POINT OF VIEW IN THAT PROCESS.

AND LET ME TELL YOU ALSO NOT TO WORRY ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE IT'S REALLY A LOT.

THE NEXT DEVELOPMENT IS REALLY ABOUT IF YOU DON'T THE STRONG ARMING TECHNIQUE, WE TALKED ABOUT EMPLOYEE AND NOT TO BE SWAYED BY THAT.

IT'S NOT ABOUT, IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS DEVELOPS ON IT.

WE'RE PROPOSING WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS REALLY GOOD.

THE BOOGIE MAN IS JUST AROUND THE CORNER.

IT'S ALL CONTROLLED BY THE STATE AND THE SENATE BILLS.

ONE OF THEM THAT WAS REFERENCED ON WHERE THE LETTER SITTING IN THE PAST, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SENATE.

THOSE ARE GONNA TAKE ALL, ALL LOCAL ZONING CONTROL AWAY FROM COUNCILS AND PLANNING COMMISSIONS.

AND THEY'RE JUST GOING TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE.

THAT'S LESS DESIRABLE THAN WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU TODAY.

WELL, THAT'S CLEARLY NOT A GOOD REASON TO DO IT.

AND THAT'S, AS FAR AS THEY GONE, THEY'VE GONE.

ACTUALLY THEY AND THEIR, THEIR SUPPORTERS HAVE GONE TO THE LENGTHS OF TRYING TO CONFUSE THE BALLOT INITIATIVE.

TO SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO BECOME A HOMELESS SHELTER.

THE GOLF COURSE WILL BECOME A HOMELESS SHELTER OR A NATIVE AMERICAN CASINO NEED YOUR VALID ARGUMENTS.

YOU'LL SEE IT.

THERE'S NOTHING IN THE INITIATIVE ABOUT HOMELESS SHELTERS OR NATIVE AMERICAN CASINOS ON THIS GREEN BELT.

THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY THAT THE VOTERS WOULD EVER VOTE THOSE THINGS IN.

THERE'S NO FENCE.

THERE'S NO FEDERALLY CHARTERED NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBE.

THAT'S ANYWHERE IN THE CITY, FLORIDA.

THIS IS JUST SCARE TACTICS AND STRONG ARMY.

AND IT'S RELEVANT.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THERE ANY, BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING IT TO YOU, THEY'RE DOING IT TO YOU.

THEY'RE DOING IT TO THIS COMMISSION.

NOW THEY TELL YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE DANGEROUS, EXCUSE ME.

THEY TELL YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE ENDANGERED SPECIES AND THE WAY THEY HANDLED THAT IS TO NOT GET THE RESTRICTION LIFTED, BUT INSTEAD TO TRY TO PURCHASE LAND, BUT NOT REALLY DEFINED LAND, YOU SHOULD BEEN LOOK CAREFULLY AT THAT.

BE EIR AND TO SAY, WHICH IS, I MEAN, FOR ANYTHING OUT THERE, WHICH THERE ARE VERY MANY WHO HAVE, WHO HAVE SPOKEN WITH US.

WE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT CATCHES THE LAST TIME, ALL THE TIME.

WE GOT FOLKS THAT HAVE LOOKED AT IT MANY TIMES.

UH, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THAT CATCHERS.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE JUST GONNA REMOVE ALL THEIR HABITAT.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ALL THEIR TREES WHEN THEY'RE NOT HOME.

AND THEN WHEN THEY GET BACK TO BUILD THEIR NEST, THEY WON'T HAVE IT.

THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUILD IT IN.

SO THEREFORE WE WON'T, UH, NEXT PERSON WE'RE KIND OF OUT OF, OUT OF OUR PROBLEM.

THIS IS MR. LEE'S.

UM, CAN I JUST ASK, I, I I'M, I'M HEARING A GENERAL SENSE OF OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT AND I'VE HEARD A FEW, I'VE HEARD A FEW COMMENTS THAT I BELIEVE THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HEARD FROM PRIOR SPEAKERS IN TERMS OF POINTS AS TO WHY, WHY ONE WOULD BE OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.

ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL POINTS THAT HAVE NOT YET BEEN RAISED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE WITH THE COMMISSION THAT THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY YET HEARD FROM OTHER MEMBERS OF THE, OF THE PUBLIC? WELL, I, I FIND IT VERY STRANGE THAT YOU'RE DOING THIS TO, TO ONE OF THE EXECUTIVE OFFICERS OF THE PACK WHEN I'M TRYING TO SUMMARIZE IN NO GREAT DETAIL, THE ARGUMENTS, THE ARGUMENTS THAT ARE AGAINST THIS DEVELOPMENT, EVERYTHING HAS BEEN VERY, VERY TIED TO THE DEVELOPMENT SO FAR.

SO I WILL, I WILL, I WILL GO QUICKLY.

IF THAT, IF THAT I WILL GO QUICKLY THROUGH THE REST OF THE ARGUMENTS AND, UH, I'M HOPEFUL THAT YOU WILL, UH, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, I'M NOT GOING TO REHASH EVERY EVERYBODY'S INDIVIDUAL ARGUMENTS, MR. MUSIC, IF YOU COULD JUST FINISH WITH ANY ARGUMENTS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS NOT YET HEARD FROM ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE APPRECIATED.

HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY HEARD THAT? I DON'T THINK THEY'VE PUT THIS TOGETHER QUITE THEY, THEY TALK ABOUT HOW THE INITIATIVE, THE MEASURE, THE THINGS THAT, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD OTHERWISE BE CIRCUMVENTING IS DEFECTIVE ON ITS FACE.

AND THEREFORE HAS NO REASON, UH, THAT THEY HAVE NO REASON TO CONSIDER IT, OR TO CONSIDER THAT AS PART OF THE WILL OF, OF THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED PEOPLE.

AND I THINK THAT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT LINE OF REASONING IS THEN WHY ARE THEY RUSHING THINGS SO MUCH? WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO DO THIS RIGHT BEFORE OF BOATS? THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE.

AND I KNOW IT WILL PROHIBIT THEIR DEVELOPMENT IF PASSED BY THE VOTERS AND THERE'S, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THAT IT'S FALLING HIGH ENOUGH, THAT IT WILL.

MR. MR. STALL FROM ONE LLP I'LL, I'LL MAKE A SPECIFIC REPUTATION OF A POINT.

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HE MADE THE ENTERTAINMENT ATTORNEY WHO WANTS TO TALK ABOUT LAND USE.

HE TOLD THAT HE TOLD YOU THAT IF HE, IF YOU DID, IF YOU DID ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY ASKED, HE WILL ESSENTIALLY BANKRUPT THE CITY.

HE WILL ESSENTIALLY CONSUME THE CITY WITH LAWSUITS, PRIVATE TREE, GENERAL FEEDS, ET CETERA, ET CETERA.

YOU READ THE, READ THE LETTER, AND THIS IS THE TONE.

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND IT'S INDICATIVE OF THE CONTINUED TREATMENT THAT THE CITIZENS AND THE OPPOSITION OF THIS DEVELOPMENT HAD BEEN RECEIVING THROUGHOUT.

THEY SAY, IT'S ALL JUST LIKE THIS AND ENCINITAS.

YOU HEARD ENCINITAS, THAT'S A NEW ARGUMENT.

DID ANYBODY REFUTE THE ENCINITAS ARGUMENT? NOT YET.

SO I'LL DO IT.

IT'S JUST LIKE ENCINITAS.

IT'S JUST LIKE THE ESCONDIDA.

IT'S JUST LIKE ALL THESE OTHER SITUATIONS IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE A VALIDATED AND THEREFORE YOU'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT BACK TO THE TABLE.

AND WE'RE GOING TO BE THE ONES WHO DEVELOPED THIS PARCEL.

WE'LL SEE THE THING IS, IT'S NOT LIKE IN SYDNEY, THIS IT'S NOT LIKE ESCONDIDO.

IT'S NOT LIKE ANY OF THESE OTHER OPEN SPACE INITIATIVES THAT ANYBODY'S CITED AND WHY ISN'T IT TO, BECAUSE THIS INITIATIVE DOES ONE THING.

AND ONE THING ONLY IT TAKES, IT TAKES PARCELS THAT WERE DESCRIBED AS OPEN SPACE AND THE GENERAL PLAN AT THE TIME OF THE INITIATIVE AND KEEPS THEM AS OPEN SPACES UNLESS THE PEOPLE DECIDE, OTHERWISE IT'S NOT ABOUT QUALIFYING PARTICULAR PARCEL.

IT'S NOT ABOUT SINGLING OUT A PARTICULAR PARCEL.

IT'S NOT ABOUT GETTING A PARTICULAR ZONING CHANGE FOR A SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ONLY ABOUT ONE THING.

AND THAT ONE THING IS ATTEMPTING TO KEEP THE ZONING THE WAY IT IS FOR OPEN SPACE TO PRESERVE OR REMAIN OPEN SPACES.

MR. LEE, I BELIEVE THAT THE COMMISSION HAS HER COMMENTS FROM PRIOR SPEAKERS ABOUT, UH, EXPRESSING THE DESIRE TO WANT TO TAKE, TAKE THE MEASURE BEFORE THE COMMUNITY BEFORE, UM, THE, THE COMMISSION OR THE COUNCIL, UM, REVIEWS THE PROJECT.

ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS SPECIFIC TO THE PROJECT ITSELF THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE ALREADY PROVIDED? JUST SO WE CAN NOT.

I BELIEVE I JUST, I JUST GAVE YOU ONE AND I BELIEVE THAT NO OTHER SPEAKER IN THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN INTERRUPTED AS MANY TIMES AS I HAVE.

IN FACT, NOBODY'S BEEN INTERRUPTED AT ALL AT ALL, AND YOU NEED TO DO SORT OF AN, AN INTERVIEW TYPE PROCESS WITH ME.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND I WILL, I WILL GIVE YOU, LET ME GIVE YOU A FEW POINTS.

YOU HAVE A DUTY TO PROCESS THE APPLICANT'S APPLICATION.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENT THOUGH, AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO TREAT IT AS A DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENT.

YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK IT WAS MR. HUGHES.

SOMEBODY SAID, PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO BE ACTIVISTS.

PEOPLE DON'T LIKE TO HAVE TO DO THESE MEETINGS.

AND, AND, UH, AND THAT'S RIGHT.

AND IT'S CLEARLY COVID AND THIS SETUP, IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR THIS, BUT THIS ISN'T AN ISSUE LIKE ANY YOU'VE SEEN BEFORE.

I'M SURE OF THAT.

I'M SURE OF THAT.

THIS ISN'T LIKE COSTCO, WHICH IS, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT.

CLASSICAL THAT PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ISSUE, THAT FOLKS AND HAD FOLKS THAT REALLY WANTED TO COSTCO WHO LIVED CLOSE.

SO PEOPLE WHO REALLY DIDN'T WANT IT TO COSTCO WHO LIVED FLIPS.

THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTS EVERYONE, NO MATTER HOW CLOSE IN THE CITY, YOU LOOK TO IT.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THE CITIZENS ARE SPEAKING OUT.

AND SO WHAT I'D ASK IS THIS, PLEASE THINK ABOUT SENDING IT BACK FROM OUR WORK.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE AR WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE VMT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE DEED RESTRICTION.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT OTHER PROPERTY.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOILS AND LANDSIDE ISSUES.

VERY BRIEFLY.

YOU HEARD IT IN ONE COMMENT, THE SOIL HAS COLLAPSED ON PEOPLE'S HOMES.

PREVIOUSLY, THE SOIL HAS COLLAPSED.

WHAT DID LINDAR DO? THEY BOUGHT THEM OUT.

THEY BOUGHT THEM OUT FOR $5,000.

AND MANY OF THOSE FOLKS HAD TO GO AND GET $250,000 REPAIRS DONE TO THEIR HOMES.

SO THAT'S AGAIN, A BIT OF A DISHONESTY RIGHT THERE.

YOU'VE HEARD FROM YOUR OWN PLANNING COMMISSIONER THAT THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY HAS CALLED A STACKS THAT AREN'T CUL-DE-SACS IN THE STATE AND, AND, AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON CITIES THAT WANT THEIR FAIR SHARE MITIGATION THAT HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT.

THIS IS A TEMPORARY FIX FOR A LONGTERM STRUCTURAL PROBLEM.

THEY'RE SAYING DO THIS NOW.

AND IT WILL SOLVE ALL YOUR PROBLEMS. AND IT'S THE LAST, LAST BIG GREENBELT AND SAY, LAST PLACE YOU COULD DO THIS.

IT'LL SOLVE YOUR READER PROBLEMS AND SOLVE YOUR, BUT THEN WHAT, THEN WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER WE'RE DONE? WHAT HAPPENS FIVE OR 10 YEARS FROM NOW? THE STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS STILL EXIST.

THE SPENDING STILL EXISTS, AND NOW THERE'S NO OPEN SPACE AT ALL TO BUILD ON.

SO REALLY I WANT YOU TO, I'M HOPING THAT WHAT YOU'LL DO IS SEPARATE OUT THE LONGTERM PROBLEM FROM THE SHORT TERM PROBLEM.

THEY'RE THERE.

THEY'RE GIVING A SHORT TERM PROFITS AND A SHORT TERM FIX TO THE CITY'S BUDGETARY WOES.

IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT I'M NOT EVEN SURE TO REALLY CONTRIBUTE THAT MUCH, WHICH WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER SPEAKERS

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IN EXCHANGE FOR A VERY LONGTERM OF FACT ON THE CITY'S GENERAL PLAN AND CITIES AND THE CITIES OPEN OPEN SPACES AT A VERY LONGTERM EFFECT THAT EVERYONE, ALL OF THE CITIZENS ON THIS CALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

IT NEVER PAYS TO BE THE FIRST CITY TO SOLVE ALL THE PROBLEMS. SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO BE DONE ABOUT PENSIONS AND EVERY CITY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

SOMETHING WILL HAVE TO BE DONE ABOUT ARENA AND EVERY CITY WILL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

THE CITY IS NOT THE WORST, AND IT'S NOT THE BEST.

IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE ON MOST OF THOSE ISSUES.

SO YOU COULD, DON'T TAKE ALL YOUR GREEN SPACE AWAY AND SELL IT EVERYTHING AND MORTGAGE THE FOREIGN, JUST TO SOLVE ALL THE ISSUES THAT DEVELOPER'S WAITING IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE.

OR YOU COULD THINK LONGTERM.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE HOPING YOU'LL DO WITH RESPECT THE THINGS YOU'RE DOING.

WE'D LIKE YOU TO SEND A MESSAGE BACK TO THE DEVELOPER.

THEY HAVE MORE WORK TO DO.

AND MOST OF ALL, WE HAVE A NOVEL IDEA.

WE'D LIKE YOU TO LET THE VOTERS VOTE.

THE VOTERS VOTE ON MEASURE X IN NOVEMBER, AND DON'T GET IN THE WAY OF THAT VOTE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

JUST AGONIST RELAYS.

NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

HELLO? YES, WE'RE HERE.

HI.

HELLO.

MY NAME IS DARLENE L KIZA.

UH, DARLENE.

I DON'T KNOW.

WE NEED TO HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT YOU'RE ON THE LIST.

I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE RADHIKA.

IF YOU CAN CONFIRM.

I WISH I SH MY NUMBER SHOULD BE ON THE SCREENSHOT FROM LAST.

OKAY.

WHAT'S YOUR NUMBER? IT IS (714) 447-1735.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, WE ASKED FOR YOU, YOU WERE THIRD ON THE LIST AND WE ASKED AND WE DIDN'T GET A RESPONSE.

SO THAT'S WHY WE MOVED ON, BUT YOU'RE HERE NOW.

SO IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME SPELLING SLOWLY.

THANK YOU KINDLY.

MY NAME IS DARLENE SPELLED D A R R L E N E.

MY LAST NAME IS L KIZA A L Q U I Z A.

THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

UM, I WANTED YOU, UM, I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME, UM, TO SPEAK AND I'LL START BY SAYING THAT I'M SO GLAD.

UM, THAT LAST COMMENT GIVEN YESTERDAY TOUCHED ON THE TOXICITY OF THE LAND, UM, THAT MIGHT BE USED, AND I HOPE IT WAS CONSIDERED AS YOU ALL WERE GOING TO YOUR OWN HOMES LAST NIGHT.

UM, I GREW UP IN THE AREA OFF OF IDAHO AND CRAMPS, AND I WAS ORIGINALLY GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROBLEMS OF ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC, UM, WHICH WOULD BE THE BIGGEST IMPACT ON MY FAMILY.

UM, I WAS ALSO GOING TO TALK ABOUT HOW, UM, THERE'S A STUDY, THE CONDITIONS OF CHILDREN, AND THEY FOUND THAT THE BIGGEST FACTOR IN DETERMINING OUTCOMES OF CHILDREN IS THE SIZE OF THE PARKS.

YOU CAN LOOK UP A ZIP CODE AND BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE OPEN SPACES IN THAT ZIP CODE, THERE'S A DIRECT CORRELATION TO, UM, THE CONDITIONS OF THE CHILDREN WHO LIVE THERE.

SO THIS GOLF COURSE IS AN OPEN SPACE THAT ALLOWS FOR ADOLESCENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY TO FLOURISH.

MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS HAVE USED THIS SPACE.

AND WHEN MY DAUGHTERS ARE OLD ENOUGH, I HOPE THEY CAN USE THIS SPACE TO, UM, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD STAY A GOLF COURSE BECAUSE IT IS THE SAFEST TO USE AS A TOXIC LAND, BECAUSE AS A PARK, CHILDREN WILL SPEND HOURS DAILY THERE, WHEREAS GOLFERS ARE JUST CONSTANTLY MOVING AND ONLY OUT ON THE LAND IN PASSING.

UM, BUT THE MORE IMPORTANT THING THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT TO YOU IS THAT YOU HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT RESPONSIBILITY.

YOU GUYS GET TO DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE WILL BE ALLOWED TO LIVE ON THIS LAND, WHICH IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED TOXIC GROUND.

UM, I HAVE AN ADVANCED DEGREE IN HUMAN DEVELOPMENT WITH A SPECIAL INTEREST IN EPIGENETICS.

AND EPIGENETICS IS A FINDING IN SCIENCE PROVING THAT ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS HAVE AN IMPACT ON GENETIC EXPRESSION AND WHAT WE ARE EXPOSED TO CAN AFFECT US ON A GENETIC LEVEL.

SO REALLY IMAGINE THE IMPACT OF THIS DECISION.

YOU'RE DECIDING IF A FAMILY OR MULTIPLE FAMILIES CAN LIVE ON TOXIC LAND, AND IF THEIR CHILD SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO WALK BAREFOOT IN THEIR YARD OF TOXIC GROUND, IF THEIR PETS CAN SNIFF THE TOXIC DIRT, AND IF THEY CAN PLANT A GARDEN ON, ON THIS SOIL, UM, THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT I ASKED YOU TO CONSIDER.

I UNDERSTAND THAT TIME HAS PASSED, BUT WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS TOXIC SUBSTANCES DO NOT DISSIPATE OVER TIME.

THE SPRINKLERS, THEY DID NOT HELP THE TOXINS ON THIS LAND TO GO AWAY.

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AND HOW DO I KNOW PLEASE CONSIDER THE FACT THAT IF YOU LOOK UP RICE CEREAL, FOR INSTANCE, ON THE FDA WEBSITE, THEY LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF RICE CEREAL THAT IS SAFE FOR BABIES BECAUSE IT CONTAINS ARSENIC.

AND THAT ARSENIC CAME FROM PESTICIDE SPRAYED ON THE COTTON THAT GREW ON ME, THE FIELD DECADES BEFORE AND WITH ALL OF THE TURNING OF THE SOIL, THE WATERING AND THE GROWING THE ARSENIC DID NOT DISSIPATE.

SO PLEASE CONSIDER THAT.

SO IF YOU CHOOSE TO ALLOW HOMES TO BE BUILT ON THIS LAND, YOU ARE ALLOWING FAMILIES TO EXPOSE THEMSELVES THEIR PETS, THEIR BABIES, AND THEIR CHILDREN TO HAVE TOXICITY.

OKAY.

IT MAY CAUSE HIM CANCER OR EPIGENETIC CHANGES THAT WILL BE CRUSHED GENERATIONAL.

YOU DECIDE IF FAMILIES CAN LIVE UNDER THESE POTENTIALLY HARMFUL CIRCUMSTANCES OR DIRECT THEM, OR YOU CAN DIRECT THEM TO A BETTER OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE ON A LAND THAT WILL NOT CAUSE HARM TO THEM OR THEIR CHILDREN.

I PLEASE ASK YOU TO CONSIDER YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE PROTECTORS OF THE RESIDENTS OF LAHABRA.

AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MS. AKI.

ISN'T WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, MAN.

NEXT WOULD BE A VERONICA NUMBER SIX GREG'S LAPTOP.

IF THAT'S CORRECT.

WE WERE GOING TO GO BACK TO NUMBER ONE.

CHAVONNE BROWN.

OH, OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

SPEAKER, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH, PLEASE SIGN HERE ON YOUR END AND PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU'RE CALLING FROM BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

THANK YOU.

NOT A PROBLEM.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY AND THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR THIS FORM FIRST, MOST.

AND MY NAME IS CHAVONNE S H A V A N, LAST, THE BROWN, LIKE THE COLOR.

UM, I'M ALSO SPEAKING IN BEHALF OF MY MOTHER, WHICH IS RUTH BROWN, R U T H LAST, THE BROWN, LIKE THE COLOR.

THE ADDRESS IS EIGHT 41 SANDALWOOD.

UM, FIRST I WANT TO JUST SAY I WAS VERY DISAPPOINTED.

UM, UM, IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS, AT THE LACK OF NOTIFICATION ON THIS FARM TO OUR COMMUNITY, UM, I DIDN'T RECEIVE A LETTER IN REFERENCE OF THIS.

I RECEIVED IT FROM A NEIGHBOR, SO I MISSED THE FIRST, UM, EVENING OR OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON IT, BUT I'M GLAD TO, I'M ABLE TO NOW, UM, DO THE DUE TO THE PANDEMIC.

I UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHY WE'RE DOING THE FORM THIS WAY.

WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY WE'RE RUSHING ON THIS DECISION.

UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT COULDN'T BE TABLED FOR A LATER LATER DATE.

UM, I SAY THIS BECAUSE WE HAVE A STRONG COMMUNITY THAT HAS STRONG OPINIONS ABOUT THIS.

A LOT OF THEM ARE AGAINST THIS, UM, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, UM, ELDERLY PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT, UM, ARE NOT COMPUTER SAVVY.

UM, THEY ARE NOT TECH SAVVY AND THEY HAVE A VOICE AND OPINION.

UM, I HAVE SEVERAL, SEVERAL NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE COME TO ME TO ASK ME TO SPEAK IN THEIR BEHALF.

SO I'M NOT GONNA GO INTO SPECIFICS BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK AND HAVE THEIR SHARE.

BUT, UM, AGAIN, I JUST THINK THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN TABLED LATER ON FOR ALL OF US TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK AND VOICE OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, UM, THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UM, AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M NOT FOR IT, I'M AGAINST IT.

UM, I'VE BEEN WITHIN THE CITY OF LA HARBOR FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND I'VE SEEN SEVERAL CHANGES.

SOME OF THEM ARE GOOD OR BAD AND BAD.

UM, I'M REALLY, UM, JUST DISAPPOINTED IN SOME OF THE ISSUES I'LL TOUCH ON A FEW.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO A LOT OF DETAILS ON IT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN THAT MY OPINION HASN'T BEEN VOICED ON SEVERAL OCCASIONS, UM, LIKE OTHERS, UM, THE WATER DROUGHT, UM, IT WOULD BE AN IMPACT DEFINITELY IN OUR CASE HUMIDITY.

UM, IF, WHEN THEY DO DO THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT FOR THE 400 HOMES, UM, THE TRAFFIC, UM, THAT WE HAVE AT UPS IMPERIAL, EVEN ON SANDALWOOD, IT WOULD BE GREATLY IMPACTED BY US.

UM, AS NOW WE HAVE MAYBE ABOUT FOUR TIMES DURING THE DAY THAT IT'S UNBEARABLE THAT WE CAN'T GET IN OR GET OUT ONTO THE STREETS AND ESPECIALLY ON SANDALWOOD, UM, JUST IN AND OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAYS, I HAVE SOME PARENTS THAT ARE EXTREMELY RUDE WHEN PICKING UP THEIR KIDS AND WE CAN'T EVEN BACK OUT OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAYS.

SO ALL OF THIS WOULD BE A GREAT IMPACT ON, ON, UM, THE COMMUNITY.

UM, ALSO THE AMOUNT OF, UM, HOMES THAT THEY'RE BUILDING THERE IT'S AMOUNT, I GUESS, APPROXIMATELY 400, UM, JUST THINK OF MORE CARS BEING ON THE STREETS DURING THAT TIME.

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SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IMPACT OF, OF, UM, OUR COMMUNITY AS WELL AS THE POWER OUTAGES.

UM, I KNOW WE HAD A FEW IN THE CITY OF BARBARA AND WE CAN IMAGINE IF WE HAD 400 HOMES, WHAT, UH, HOW MANY MORE POWER OUTAGES THAT WE WOULD HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND ALSO I HEARD ANOTHER PERSON TALK ABOUT, UM, THE INTERNET SERVICE.

I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH A POOR SERVICE OF INTERNET, ESPECIALLY DURING THIS PANDEMIC WHERE EVERYONE WAS USING THE INTERNET.

WE HAVE CORE SERVICE IN, UM, LA BARBARA.

AND THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.

IF WE BRING 400 HOMES, WHAT A GREAT IMPACT IT WOULD BE, UM, A FEW MORE THINGS, UM, THE POST OFFICE.

AND NOW WHEN YOU GO INTO A POST OFFICE ON, ON, ON ANY GIVEN TIME AND THE LINE IS, SO IF YOU HAVE 400 MORE HOMES, HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE WILL BE ACCESSING THAT? CAUSE I MEAN THE POSTS OFFICE WE HAVE IN THE COMMUNITY IS EXTREMELY SMALL COMPARED TO SOME OF THE OTHERS.

AND YOU CAN IMAGINE, IMAGINE WITH 400 HOMES HAVE A GREAT IMPACT THAT IT WILL HAVE ON THE POST OFFICE AND THEIR SERVICES.

I'M SPEAKING IN BEHALF OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE OF THIS PANDEMIC, A LOT OF THE CITIES ARE, UM, EITHER DOING WORK AND I JUST DON'T SEE HOW, UM, YOU WOULD HAVE THE FUNDS TO, UM, TO HIRE WERE MORE POLICE OR FIRE TO TAKE ON, ON THIS AREA WITH 400 MORE HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

UM, ALSO BEING HERE, I'VE NOTICED THE, THE HOMELESSNESS THAT WE'VE HAD WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, WE HAD NONE.

UM, NOW SPEAKING AS OF TODAY A LOT, SO I CAN IMAGINE WITH 400 MORE HOMES AND HOW THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IMPACT.

THESE ARE THE, UM, CONCERNS THAT I'D HAVE.

UM, I, I DIDN'T TOUCH ON IT A LOT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I WANT TO KEEP THE TIME FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME FOR YOU ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK, BUT I NEED TO KNOW AND ASK A QUESTION, HAVE YOU GUYS MADE THE DECISION? WHY IS THIS SUCH A RUSH? UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS FORM SHOULD HAVE BEEN OPENED UP AT OUR TABLE FOR A LATER LATER DATE AND OPENED UP TO GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, FOR EVERYONE TO JUST SPEAK AND VOICE THEIR OPINION.

AND I THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU, MS. BROWN, WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

UM, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE ARE GOING WITH, UH, DOWN THE LIST.

NUMBER SIX GREG'S LAPTOP.

UM, PLEASE SEND, MUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR END TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PRESS STAR SIX.

IF YOU'RE CALLING IN FROM A PHONE, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

OKAY.

I SPOKE, UH, LAST NIGHT, GREG JONES WITH JONES REAL ESTATE, AND I WANTED TO ADD ONE MORE THING LAST NIGHT THAT I FORGOT TO MENTION, AND THAT IS WE HISTORY JOBS.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THAT'D BE FINE IF YOU COULD MAKE AN EXTREMELY QUICK, BECAUSE WE DON'T ALLOW, UH, TWO BITES OF THE APPLE, SO TO SPEAK, UH, YEAH, VERY, VERY, VERY QUICKLY.

I'LL LET YOU GET IT OUT.

I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE BIRCH FORD PROPERTY THAT WE CAN OFFER UP FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

AND PART OF WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IS ZONED THAT FOR MIXED USE AND THE ZONING ON THAT IS UP TO 50 UNITS PER ACRE.

AND WE WOULD CERTAINLY ENTERTAIN THAT ALONG WITH HAVING, HOPEFULLY BEING THE, HAVING THE ABILITY TO WORK WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON OTHER PARCELS OF PROPERTY, WHERE YOU HAVE A ONE ACRE MINIMUM, WHERE THERE IS NO ROOM TO EXPAND AND ALLOWING THOSE PARCELS TO BE DEVELOPED, UH, WITH LESS THAN AN ACRE.

AND, AND THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAVE TO SAY, BUT I THINK THERE ARE ALTERNATIVE SITES, ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS, AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT CAUSE I WAS NOT ABLE TO DO THAT LAST NIGHT.

THAT'S FINE.

ALL RIGHT, MR. JONES, THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THAT ADDITIONAL COMMENT.

WE APPRECIATE NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

GOING DOWN THE LIST, DQ, IF YOU ARE LOGGED IN, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY.

OKAY.

WE WILL COME BACK TO NUMBER SEVEN, NUMBER EIGHT.

MARILLA VIAGRA.

WE ARE GOING TO A NEW, YOU PLEASE MUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR END TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PRESS STAR SIX.

IF YOU'RE CALLING IN FROM A PHONE, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

HELLO.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING MY CALL.

YOU'LL HAVE TO EXCUSE ME FOR A MINUTE.

GO THROUGH MY NOTES HERE.

UM, WE'RE KIND OF AT A DISADVANTAGE

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BECAUSE I HAD PLANNED ON SPEAKING ON MONDAY NIGHT AND, UM, IT WAS NEVER CALLED UPON.

UM, SO, SO I HAVE A, A LITTLE BIT OF VARIATIONS IN MY NOTES AND, UM, THERE WAS ALSO A NUMBER OF BUSINESS OWNERS, UM, THAT WERE NOT CALLED UPON EITHER.

SO LET ME JUST START HERE.

MY NAME IS MARIE LABIANCA.

I AM THE PRESIDENT OF THE LA HARBOR CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, AND I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF 34 YEARS IN LAHABRA.

I LIVE ON KINLEY STREET OVER BY THE COSTCO.

UM, WHEN THE CHAIR, UH, CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT YESTERDAY, UM, THERE WERE AT LEAST SEVEN OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS THAT WE'RE STILL HOPING THAT, UM, HAVE KIND OF COME MONDAY AND THEN TUESDAY AND TRYING TO GET IN AND MAKE SOME COMMENT IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

UM, THEY HAD RAISED THEIR HANDS AND THEY WEREN'T CALLED UPON AND I CAN NAME A FEW OF THEM.

THERE WERE SAMMY COAT CODA THERE, AMY BRIG THAT, UH, THE PATEL'S THERE, JULIE SHIN KWON, THE BARBARA HERNANDEZ, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES, BUT, UH, BUSINESSES, NEVERTHELESS IN LAHABRA AND THERE.

OH YEAH.

WILL YOU PLEASE, EXCUSE ME.

I'M SO SORRY, MARIE, BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE THAT MONDAY NIGHT WE OPENED UP PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

AND WE RAN THROUGH THE QUEUE, COMPLETELY ASKED IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE.

THERE WAS NOBODY THERE.

WE HAD NO CHOICE, BUT TO CONTINUE THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, HOWEVER, WE RECEIVED THIS NOTIFICATION THAT THERE WERE SOME THAT FELT LIKE THEY COULDN'T CONNECT.

SO WHAT WE DID IS WE, WE, WE, WE MADE, WE WENT THAT EXTRA STEP BY DOING SOMETHING THAT SOMEWHAT UNPRECEDENTED BY ALLOWING THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT, AGAIN, THE OPPORTUNITY AT THE CLOSE OF THE LAST OPPOSITION SPEAKERS LAST NIGHT.

SO WE'VE DONE THAT.

AND IF SOMEONE DIDN'T RAISE THEIR HAND LAST NIGHT AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE WE'VE ACTUALLY GIVEN SUPPORTERS TWO OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU DO IS IF YOU WOULD PLEASE TRY TO ADDRESS THE SPECIFICS OF THIS PROJECT AND EITHER YOUR SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION.

WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS ENTERTAIN THE NOTION OF ADDING ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS.

AT THIS POINT, WE ARE RESOLUTE ON THE LIST THAT WE HAVE HERE, SO WE WON'T MAKE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS LIST.

SO AGAIN, I WOULD ASK YOU, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE TRY TO FOCUS ON THE SPECIFICS OF THE PROPOSAL AND YOUR OPINIONS ON THOSE SPECIFICS.

OKAY.

SO THEN WHEN YOU, UM, CLOSED YESTERDAY AT 10 30, BUT THEN LATER THAT, OKAY, RAISE YOUR HAND.

SOME OF THESE BUSINESS OWNERS HAD ALREADY HUNG UP, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THE PROBLEM CAME IN.

AND, AND THEN THEY'RE COMING TO ME AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE I, I LINGERED TILL THE VERY END.

SO, SO I WAS ABLE TO GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

UM, THE OTHER PROBLEM THAT WE ARE ENCOUNTERING IS THAT THE HOSTILITY FROM THE OPPOSITION HAS EVEN CAUSED THE BUSINESS ALUMINUMS TO SHY AWAY.

UM, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE PERTAINING TO ME IN THE CHAT I WAS ACCUSED OF, UH, BEING BOUGHT OFF.

AND, UM, I RESENT VERY MUCH IF ANYBODY KNOWS ME AT ALL, KNOWS THAT I DON'T TAKE WELL TO THREATS OR ACCUSATIONS OR LIES UPON ABOUT MYSELF IN NO MEANS WAS I EVER BOUGHT OFF, I, UM, AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT BECAUSE I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAVING ANOTHER 400 PLUS HOMES AND LAHABRA HOMES ANYWHERE IN LA BRUH WITH BRINGING BUSINESS TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THAT OUR BUSINESS OWNERS NEED THAT THEY NEED STRENGTH.

THEY NEED THAT EXTRA INCOME.

SO WHAT HAPPENS? I GET ACCUSED.

WE HAVE ONE OF OUR OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS TODAY THAT RECEIVED A THREATENING PHONE CALL.

I RECEIVED THIS AND I, YOU KNOW, I'LL EVEN SHOW IT TO YOU BECAUSE I REFUSE TO READ IT.

SEE IF YOU CAN SEE IT, LET ME SEE THE LITTLE COMMENT LETTER THERE THAT DIE SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY.

I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND ANY, AND YOU WONDER WHY OUR BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS NOT RISING UP AND SAYING, WE NEED THE HELP.

WE NEED EXTRA RESIDENTS HERE IN LA HABRA.

UM, SO, SO THAT WAS THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT, UM, I WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION IS, IS THERE'S NO NEED FOR THREATS.

THERE'S NO NEED FOR, UM, LYING AND ACCUSATIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU THERE REALLY ISN'T.

AND I DON'T APPRECIATE IT ONE BIT.

LIKE I SAID, I HAVE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY FOR 30.

I'M GOING TO SAY 32, BUT IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE 34 YEARS.

UM, I ENJOY A VERY COMFORTABLE LIFE IN THE HALL.

I REALLY DO, UM, SPENDING A FEW EXTRA MINUTES OR SECONDS OR WHATEVER AT AN INTERSECTION TO BRING IN EXTRA, UM, BUSINESS TO OUR COMMUNITY IS NOT TOO MUCH TO ASK OF ME.

I WILL STILL ENJOY THE COMMUNITY AND ENJOY ALL ITS AMENITIES

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AND THE, THE WHOLE, WE'RE NOT BACK 30 YEARS AGO, WE'VE GOT TO MOVE ON, WE'VE GOT TO GROW, WE'VE GOT TO DEVELOP AND, AND BRING STRENGTH TO THE COMMUNITY WHERE WE'RE PART OF ORANGE COUNTY.

WE GOT TO LIKE ACT LIKE ORANGE COUNTY.

WE'RE GOING TO ACT LIKE LITTLE FISH IN A BIG POND.

LET'S LET'S GROW, LET'S DEVELOP IT.

LET'S DO THESE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO, TO, UM, BRING STRENGTH TO THE COMMUNITY.

IT WOULD HELP THE CITY WITH THE TAXES, PROPERTY TAXES, SALES TAXES.

SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THIS, UM, DEVELOPMENT.

ADDITIONALLY, I PERSONALLY AM AN OUTSIDE PERSON.

I LOVE THE OUTDOORS.

I'M A RUNNER WALKER, ANYTHING I'M GOING TO MOVE I'M OUT THERE.

I'M NOT A GOLFER TOO SLOW FOR ME, WAY TOO SLOW FOR ME.

SO RIGHT NOW, AS IT STANDS, I CANNOT USE THE GOLF COURSE.

I USE IT FOR BUSINESS EVENT ONCE A YEAR.

OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T, I I'M, I'M EXCITED ABOUT THOSE TRAILS AND THE PARKS, AND MAYBE THEY'RE NOT ELITE PARTS.

LIKE SOME OF THE OPPOSITION HAS SUGGESTED THE PICTURES THAT I'VE SEEN.

THEY LOOK, THEY LOOK LIKE SOMETHING I WOULD DEFINITELY USE.

UM, I KNOW MY FAMILY WOULD USE, SO THERE'S A LOT OF AMENITIES THAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT AND YOU CLUBHOUSE UP THERE.

THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS THAT THIS WHOLE PROJECT IS OFFERING THAT I PERSONALLY AM EXCITED ABOUT.

UM, THERE'S UM, WOULD YOU INDULGE ME IN READING JUST A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS FROM SOME OF THE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT THAT OFFERED SUPPORT? CAN WE DO THAT? I THINK THAT WOULD BE FINE UNLESS UNLESS COUNCIL, UH, SUGGEST OTHERWISE I THINK THAT'S OKAY.

IT'S THEY'RE RELATIVELY BRIEF.

YES.

I REALLY CONDENSE THEM JUST TO, JUST SO THAT I'D BE ABLE TO, RIGHT.

WELL, THANKS VERY MUCH.

THAT'S FINE.

OKAY.

SO, SO ONE OF OUR, OUR BUSINESSES SAID THAT, UH, THEY'RE SUPPORTERS BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THE WHOLE, THE ECONOMY AND THE FINANCIAL WELL WOULD BE HELPFUL TO THE FINANCIAL WELLBEING OF THE CITY.

SO, UM, THERE'S OTHERS THAT SAID, UM, THEY HAVE BEEN HURT BY THE HOUSING CRISIS AND THEY WOULD WANT TO DO THEIR PART TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM.

UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, THAT SAID SOMETHING LIKE, UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S A WELL-PLANNED PROJECT FOR THE COMMUNITY, THE PARKS, THE TRAILS, THE OPEN SPACE THAT, UM, THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT, UM, THEY STRONGLY SUPPORT THE BRANCHES, THE HOPPER PROJECT.

UM, LET ME SEE, WHAT ELSE WOULD THEY SAY? I THINK THAT WAS IT.

I DO HAVE TWO LETTERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED AS WELL.

CAN I GO AHEAD AND READ THOSE, THOSE WEREN'T SUBMITTED TO EARLIER TODAY OR IN THE PAST? I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE I CAN READ IT AND, OR I CAN TELL YOU WHERE THEY'RE FROM AND YOU CAN TELL ME, CAN YOU PERHAPS JUST LIKE YOU SUMMARIZE THE OTHER COMMENT, CAN YOU SOME LETTERS JUST BRIEFLY THE OVERALL SYNOPSIS OF EITHER SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION FOR THE PROJECT, PLEASE? OKAY.

THEY ARE, YEAH.

I'M SORRY.

I THINK MAYBE NAMES, IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO HAVE THE NAMES OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE MAKING THAT COMMENT.

I THINK THAT MIGHT BE GOOD FOR THE RECORD AS WELL.

OKAY.

ONE WHERE ARROW.

OKAY.

HE, UM, WAS THERE A FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND AD HOC FISCAL REVIEW COMMITTEES WORKED WELL, UM, WITHIN THE LAHABRA AREA AND KNOWS IT WELL? UM, HE SAYS, UH, IT IS A GOOD PLAN BACKED BY SOUND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, LONG LIST OF MITIGATION THAT WILL AFFECT EFFECTIVELY ADDRESS ITS POTENTIAL IMPACTS.

AS THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA ON ENVIRONMENTAL GEOLOGY, THE PROJECT WILL SATISFY SATISFACTORILY ADDRESS REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS FORMAL OIL FIELD PROPERTY TO A BETTER USE FOR THE COMMUNITY.

BESIDES BRINGING NEARLY 450 NEW HOMES TO THE HOMBRE, GENERATE THE RESALE OF DOZENS OF OIL, OLDER, MORE AFFORDABLE HOMES.

WHEN PEOPLE SELL THEIR HOMES AND MOVE TO RANCHO HOMBRE, THIS IS HOW WE WILL ULTIMATELY SOLVE THE, THE HOUSING PRICES BY APPROVING ONE PROJECT AT A TIME.

AND IT GOES ON, BUT THAT WAS LIKE THE GIST OF IT.

YOU KNOW, WE GOT HIS LETTER BECAUSE I KNOW WHY.

AND WE WORKED TOGETHER ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

I READ HIS LETTER.

SO HIS LETTER WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF THE THIRD VOLUME OF THE EIR, THE COMMENTS.

SO WE ALL, WE ALL READ THAT FOR SURE.

OKAY.

WHAT ABOUT A LETTER FROM DAVID ROSS? I DON'T REMEMBER.

GO AHEAD.

THIS ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LENGTHY MARIE.

WE DID RECEIVE MR. ROSTEN'S CORRESPONDENCE THIS EVENING AND HAVE FORWARDED IT TO THE COMMISSION FOR REVIEW.

OKAY.

OKAY.

UM,

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SO WE'RE GOOD THERE.

I THINK WE ARE GOOD.

SO I TH I THINK THAT THAT SUMS IT UP.

I'M DEFINITELY IN FAVOR AND THERE'S A VARIETY OF BUSINESSES THAT FEEL THE SAME WAY.

SO IF YOU WOULD, UM, I URGE YOU TO MAKE A FAVORABLE, FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

WELL, MS. LAVEGA, WE ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PERSISTENCE AND TENACITY, AND FINALLY GETTING TO THIS POINT.

AND I AM SORRY THAT THERE WERE THESE CHALLENGES ON MONDAY.

I JUST WANT YOU TO REST ASSURED THAT WE DID MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE HEARD AND THAT OTHER SUPPORTERS WERE HEARD, BUT WE, WE VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT AND YOU CAN BE GUARANTEED THAT WE WILL CONSIDER IT CAREFULLY.

SO THANKS AGAIN VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT.

UM, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

HEY, WE WERE CONTINUING DOWN THE LIST.

YES.

ON X YOU ARE ON MUTED.

PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR MICROPHONE IS UN-MUTED ON YOUR END.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

DOES THAT MEAN THAT'S ME? MY NAME IS MONICA FAITH.

M O N I C A SAY LIKE FAITH HOPE AND CHARITY AT THE FRED AI, T AS IN TOM, H AS IN HARRY, I AM ACTUALLY A FORMER RESIDENT OF THE HOMBRE.

UM, I MOVED, I WOULD SAY ABOUT FOUR YEARS AGO BECAUSE THERE WAS NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN LAHABRA.

SO WE ENDED UP MOVING TO BRIA AND I WANT TO SAY IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST DECISIONS OF MY LIFE, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE IN AN AREA WHERE THERE'S PLENTY OF OPEN SPACE.

I HAVE PARKS, LARGE PARKS DOWN THE STREET, AND I'M VERY HAPPY WITH THE DECISION I MISS LAHABRA.

I LOVE LAHABRA AND IT WILL ALWAYS HOLD A SPECIAL PLACE IN MY HEART.

AND I WANT TO EVENTUALLY MOVE BACK.

BUT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE NO OPEN SPACES IN THE HARBOR FOR US TO GO, AND THE LARGEST PLACE TO GO AS A PARK IS LAMANITA, WHICH IS MOSTLY BASEBALL FIELDS.

WHERE ARE OUR KIDS SUPPOSED TO PLAY? WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO? YOU WOULD BE THE ONLY CITY IN THEIR SURROUNDING AREAS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A GOLF COURSE.

YOU'RE THE ONLY CITY IN THE AREA THAT DOESN'T HAVE A REGIONAL PARK OR A LARGER PARK FOR KIDS WITH LOTS OF PLAYGROUNDS.

AND I, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO TOUCH ON TRAFFIC OR ANY OF THE STUFF THAT EVERYONE ELSE IS.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE TO REAL ITERATE THE POINT THAT THAT'S YOUR LAST OPEN SPACE, THAT'S IT.

YOU BUILD ON THAT AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NOTHING LEFT FOR OPEN SPACE.

AND I, I THINK THAT'S REALLY SAD AND I IMPLORE YOU TO, TO REALLY CONSIDER, TO REALLY CONSIDER THAT THAT YOUR LAST OPEN SPACE COULD POSSIBLY BE GONE FOR MORE CLASSES AND MORE TRAFFICS.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE APPRECIATE THAT.

A GREAT DEAL.

LET ME ASK YOU A QUICK QUESTION TO YOU.

WE'VE GOT YOU DOWN AS NUMBER 12 ON THE LIST TOO.

IS THAT ALSO YOU? YES, NO, NO, THAT, THAT IS A, THAT IS A DIFFERENT YESTERDAY.

OKAY.

VERY GOOD.

WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND LAST NIGHT, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

GOING DOWN THE LIST.

NUMBER 10, LINA, A DEMO.

WE ARE GOING TO UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE.

PLEASE BE SURE THAT IT'S ON MUTED ON YOUR END.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU'RE FROM BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION, LENA A DOMO.

IF YOU'RE CALLING IN FROM A PHONE PRESS STAR SIX TO UNMUTE YOURSELF BROCK, IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT MR. DAMO MIGHT BE THERE WITH A RAISED HAND OR SOMETHING? OR WHERE ARE WE STANDING? THEY HAVE NOT.

UN-MUTED DO YOU WANT TO SEE IF HER HAND GOES BACK UP AGAIN AND MOVE ON? OKAY.

[09:15:01]

WE WILL COME BACK TO LENA NUMBER 11, L H IF YOU ARE IN THE QUEUE, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? HI, CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? THIS IS LENA.

OH, YES WE CAN.

IS IT DONALD? YES.

GOOD.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE.

THAT WAS KIND OF WEIRD, BUT, UM, CAN I SPEAK NOW? IS THAT OKAY? WELL, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

OKAY.

I'LL START AGAIN.

I WAS TALKING AND I DIDN'T KNOW.

YOU COULDN'T HEAR ME.

OKAY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.

MY NAME IS LENA ADIAMO, L E N A A D A M O.

I LIVE ON WILSHER AVENUE, NEAR BEACH AND LAMBERT.

I WANT TO MAKE MY STATEMENT SHORT AND TO THE POINT I AGREE WITH THE LA RESIDENTS, WHAT THEY HAVE PROFESSIONALLY AND SINCERELY STATED THE LAST TWO NIGHTS I LIVE, I HAVE LIVED IN LA HABRA FOR EIGHT YEARS.

AND THE LAST THREE YEARS I HAVE NOTICED THE INCREASE IN THE POPULATION OF PEOPLE IN TRAFFIC.

IT IS ALREADY TOO CROWDED HERE.

NOW, AFTER LOOKING TWO YEARS FOR MY HOME, I CHOSE LAHABRA FOR THE PEACEFUL RURAL AREA, AWAY FROM THE FREEWAYS CLOTHES, SHOPPING CENTERS AND MEDICAL FACILITIES.

I AM A CONCERN READ AS RESIDENT AND NURSE OF 39 YEARS.

I HAVE WITNESSED A HIT AND RUN ACCIDENT ON BEACH BOULEVARD.

UM, I REMEMBER DANNY MARTINEZ, THE FRIENDLY RESIDENT RECENTLY RAN OVER RIDING HIS BIKE AND KILLED, UM, AN INCREASE IN CRIME AND HOMELESSNESS.

I FEAR THESE ISSUES WILL CONTINUE TO EXPAND IF NOT ADDRESSED AND STOPPED.

NOW, PLEASE CITY OFFICIALS AND CITY PLANNERS TAKE KEY TO OUR MANY AUTHENTIC CONCERNS.

PLEASE REJECT THIS PROJECT.

DO NOT RUIN OUR ENVIRONMENT, OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY OF LA BRUH, SO WE CAN HEALTHY PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY.

OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR ATTENTION.

IS IT DONALD? THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR INPUT.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION TO THIS PROPOSAL AS WELL.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT, MAN, PLEASE.

YOU TOO.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

GOING DOWN THE LIST, NUMBER 11, L H A F, YOU ARE IN THE QUEUE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

I BELIEVE OUR PREVIOUS ATTEMPT WITH LH WAS ALSO SILENT AS I RECALL.

OKAY.

WE WILL GO DOWN TO NUMBER 12, ANOTHER.

YES.

ON X.

WE'RE GOING TO UNMUTE YOU.

PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR END.

BEFORE SPEAKING TO THE COMMISSION, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

MY NAME IS PETER CRUZ, P E T E R C R U Z.

AND, UH, I LIVE ON LAS LOMAS NEAR, UH, VISTA VERDE.

UM, I WANTED TO ADDRESS THE, TO BE, UH, MORE GERMANE TO THE, TO THE DEBATE IN OPPOSITION TO, UH, TO THE AMENDMENT.

UM, BUT I WANTED TO FOCUS ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S A NEED FOR TRANSLATION SERVICES AND IN PERSON, UH, COMPONENT TO THIS, UH, HEARING ALONG WITH THE CITY COUNCIL HEARINGS.

UH, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT, ESPECIALLY FOR A LOT OF THE OLDER RESIDENTS IN LAHABRA INS IN THE, IN THE CALL TO BE ABLE TO HEAR AND TO EVEN HAVE AN IN PERSON CONVERSATION, EVEN WITH COVID-19 PROTOCOLS TO BE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS, UM, CAUSE IT, IT DOES HAVE SOME DIFFICULTY FOR SOME OF THEM.

SO I WANT TO SAY, I WANT TO THANK THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE THE RESUMING LEARNING THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

UM, WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT IS THE TIMELINESS.

I SUBMITTED A, UM, A PUBLIC COMMENT IN A, IN A WRITTEN FORM.

AND I DON'T WANNA, I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT I WROTE ON THERE.

UH, BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT,

[09:20:01]

UM, SOME POINTS THAT WERE NOT IN THE, IN MY WRITTEN COMMENTS.

I NOTABLY THE LONGTERM FINANCIAL STABILITY OF THE CITY IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE GENERAL PLAN.

UM, SO A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT A LOT OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING, UH, MUCH OF THEIR CONCERNS ARE ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE THE LONGTERM ISSUES OF THE GENERAL PLAN IN RELATION TO THE, TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE REVITALIZATION EFFORTS THAT THEY'D WANT TO SEE VERSUS NOT HAVING HOUSING.

UM, PERSONALLY, I'M NOT IN THAT POSITION, I'M IN OPPOSITION TO THIS ON THE BASIS OF IT FOR OPEN SPACES AND ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.

I THINK THAT YOUR REVERSIBILITY OF IT IS A PROBLEM FOR ME.

I THINK THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES INTO ACCOUNT, THAT WE SHOULD RESPECT THE OPEN SPACES AND LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CLOSEST TO THAT AREA, THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT IT.

THE MOST.

ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THAT I'VE NOTICED IS THAT IN AS FAR AS I KNOW, NONE OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GOING TO LIVE NEAR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

UM, SO THERE'S AN ISSUE ABOUT HOW THE CITY IS BEING REPRESENTED AND UNDERREPRESENTED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY CURRENTLY.

SO THERE'S A DEMOCRAT DEFICIT IN TERMS OF HOW CITIES BEING REPRESENTED.

AND SO THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE CONSTITUENT GROUPS, SAVE LAHABRA AND OTHER SUPPORTERS OF THAT IN RESPONSE TO WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, THEY'RE UPSET BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE REPRESENTATION THEY NEED ALONG WITH OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY THAT ARE HEARING THAT THESE ARE HEARINGS AND COMMENTS THAT ARE NOT GOING THAT AS FAR AS I'M AWARE AND I'VE LIVED IN THE CITY FOR OVER 20 YEARS, THIS IS THE ONLY TIME I'VE EVER HEARD OF ANY PUBLIC HEARING BEING MESSAGED OUT TO MY, TO MY AREA IN LAS LOMAS.

SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BIG CHALLENGE FOR THE CITY ITSELF FOR CITY GOVERNMENT, BUT I LAID SQUARELY IN THE CITY COUNCIL'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THOSE ISSUES MORE EFFECTIVELY IN MESSAGING TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHETHER IT'S A BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE STAKEHOLDERS, TO BE ABLE TO REACH OUT TO THE HOUSING COMMUNITY, TO EXISTING RESIDENTS, TO BE ABLE TO SAY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.

WE WANT TO BRING YOU IN AS A PARTNER ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THEIR FUTURE DEVELOPER.

UM, ANOTHER COMPONENT THAT I, THAT I NOTICED WAS, UM, THE IDEA OF A LINEAR REGIONAL PARK WAS BROUGHT UP.

I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT COMPONENT TO THIS.

IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A COMPROMISE, IT WOULD PROBABLY BE THAT IDEA, THE IDEA THAT WE NEED, UH, UH, PARKS TO, UH, REPAIR TO SOLVE THE PARK'S DEFICIT THAT'S FOUND IN THE GENERAL PLAN.

THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN COME TO SOME AGREEMENT WITH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE PARKS COMMISSIONERS, PROVIDING THAT ADVISORY OPINION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE LISTENING IN AND WATCHING, UM, THE SIGNATORIES OF THE, OF INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE AGAINST MEASURE X IN PARTICULAR.

UH, THEY HAVE MADE A POINT TO SAY THAT THIS IS UNDESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD COME IN UNHEALTHY DEVELOPMENT AND WOULD UNDERMINE LOCAL ROLE.

AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S A REALLY BAD ARGUMENT TO MAKE.

AND IT'S A SCARE TACTIC THAT THAT'S BEEN USED REPEATEDLY IN ZONING.

AND HISTORICALLY THAT'S BEEN A RACIST ARGUMENT TO BE MADE FOR ALL TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A REALLY NARROW RETRO GRADE ARGUMENT TO BE MAKING, UH, TO SAY THAT ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT ISN'T IS A BAD DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT BE HOMELESS CENTERS AND INDIE CASINO, THOSE ARE OBVIOUSLY UNREALISTIC DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN IN LA HOMBRE.

SO THE IDEA THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SCARE RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY THE RESIDENTS THAT HAVE SPOKEN FOR THE PAST THREE DAYS, AND I'VE LIVED HERE FOR LONGER THAN I HAVE.

UH, AND THEY'RE AWARE OF THE, THEY'RE MORE AWARE OF THE, OF THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE EXISTED BEFORE THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES AS A SCARE TACTIC, ISN'T SCARING THEM.

AND IS IT INTIMIDATING THOUGH? SO I THINK THAT FOR THE YOUNGER RESIDENTS, INCLUDING MYSELF, WE WANT TO, WE I'M LISTENING TO THOSE OLDER RESIDENTS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE RESIDENTS ARE, HAVE, HAVE THEIR BEST INTEREST IN OURS AS WELL.

AND, UH, I DO WANT TO JUST PAY RESPECTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE THREE DAYS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE SPENT THE TIME DOING THIS, UM, AND ASSESSING WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS CONTROVERSIAL DEVELOPMENT AND, UH, HAVING THE DELIBERATIVE PROCESS.

I DO HOPE THAT, UH, YOU GUYS GIVE EQUAL TIME TO EVERYBODY.

I THINK THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE PERSON WAS OUT OF ORDER QUITE HONESTLY, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT HER TIME TO SPEAK.

[09:25:01]

UH, BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE THE DEMOCRATIZATION TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UH, WITH, WITH NO TIME LIMIT.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE RESIDENTS TO HEAR, HEAR THEMSELVES IN HERE, EVERYBODY AND FOR YOU, FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO LISTEN TO ALL THE OPINIONS THAT ARE GOING ON.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK THE CITY OF LAHABRA DURING COVID-19, UH, HANDLING THIS IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THIS.

SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, MR. CRUZ.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT VERY MUCH.

THANKS AGAIN, AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

UH, NEXT CALLER, PLEASE GOING DOWN THE LIST.

WE WILL GO TO NUMBER 13, BENJAMIN F.

WE WERE GOING TO UNMUTE YOUR MICROPHONE.

PLEASE BE SURE THAT YOU ARE MUTED ON YOUR END.

PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

OKAY, GUYS, HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

UH, SINCE I SPOKE ON MONDAY, RIGHT, IS ONLY ONE POINT I WANT TO MAKE, BUT I WANTED TO YIELD MY TIME, UH, IN CASE SOMEBODY HASN'T SPOKEN.

SO I'LL, I'LL FINISH LAST.

UM, WELL, TWO THINGS, UH, UNFORTUNATELY FOLKS CAN'T, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY GET IN THE QUEUE AND THEY'RE HERE, THEY CAN'T YIELD THEIR TIME TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

AND MY TIME I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, LET THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME GO FIRST.

YEAH.

WELL, THE THING IS YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK ONCE AND I WANT I'LL MAKE IT VERY QUICK.

UM, YEAH, WE DID.

DO MR. LET, MR. JONES DO IT SO WE'LL LET YOU DO IT, BUT IF YOU PROMISE ME, YOU'LL BE SUPER QUICK.

ONE MINUTE, THAT'S IT.

I NOTICED I NOTICED ONE THING.

THIS IS, UH, NOT TOO MUCH.

I TEND TO FOCUS ON FACT, BUT I HAVE A, I HAVE A, UH, UM, A THING ABOUT ONE OF YOUR COMMISSIONER, UH, WHO HAVE A POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN TERMS OF MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OR, UH, OR, UM, UH, THE OFFICE, IF IT'S DECLINED THAT IT'S OKAY.

BUT IF IT'S APPROVAL, THE REASON WHY I SAID THAT ONE OF YOUR, UH, COMMISSIONER ON BOARD, IT'S A REAL ESTATE PROFESSIONAL.

AND OBVIOUSLY IF THIS PROJECT DOES MOVE FORWARD, IT WILL BE MORE HOME TO, UH, ON THE MARKET, MORE INVENTORY ON THE MARKET TO SELL.

SO, UM, I, ALTHOUGH I RESPECT, UM, EVERYBODY'S PROFESSIONALISM, BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE A THING THAT IF RESIDENTS FIND OUT THAT, WELL, ONE OF YOUR COMMISSIONS, IT'S A REALISTIC PROFESSIONAL AND THERE'S COULD BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I'LL LET YOU, YOU SAID THAT.

SO NOW IT'S IN THE RECORD.

SO I WILL LET YOU DO THAT.

OTHERWISE THE COMMENT IS NOT SPECIFIC TO THIS PROPOSAL.

SO NOW THAT YOU'VE SAID THAT, I'LL THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

AND I'LL ASK YOU TO HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

YOU TOO.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS.

NEXT CALLER, PLEASE.

OKAY.

WE WILL GO TO NUMBER 14, DIANE D IF YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY.

I DON'T SEE HER IN THE QUEUE, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO NUMBER 15, WHICH IS HIS PHONE NUMBER (714) 468-4140.

WE'RE GOING TO UNMUTE YOU NOW.

PLEASE UNMUTE YOURSELF ON YOUR END TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PRESS STAR SIX.

IF YOU ARE CALLING IN FROM A PHONE, PLEASE SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND WHERE YOU ARE FROM BEFORE ADDRESSING THE COMMISSION.

YES, WE'RE HERE.

YEAH.

I THINK THE NUMBER WAS READ INCORRECTLY, BUT HERE WE ARE.

HERE YOU ARE.

AND HERE WE ARE.

ALRIGHT.

UH, MY NAME IS JAMES BAILEY.

LAST NAME B A I L E Y.

I'M A PROFESSOR AND I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MY WIFE, WHO IS A RETIRED NURSE.

MY SON, WHO IS A CIVIL ENGINEER, WHO PRACTICES ARE SPECIALIZED IN TRAFFIC AS 45 YEAR RESIDENTS OF WHAT HARBOR IN THE NEARBY VICINITY OF THE PLAN PROJECT AND THE PRIOR ONE BAR.

THIS DEVELOPER, WE OPPOSE THIS RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

IN ADDITION TO THE ADDED NEGATIVE IMPACT TRAFFIC ACCESS TO SERVICES AND DRAIN ON PRECIOUS RESOURCES.

THERE ARE MANY OTHER CONSEQUENCES.

ALSO, THIS DOESN'T SEEM PRUDENT GIVEN THE CURRENT WORLDWIDE KEN DEMEC AND SOME WERE CRISES THAT MAY FOLLOW, WHICH ARGUE AGAINST HIGHER POPULATION

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DENSITY, BUT FOR MORE OPEN SPACES IN ADDITION SEEMS, THIS IS TOO IMPORTANT OF AN ISSUE TO BE WITHOUT AN OPEN FACE TO FACE HEARING, PLACING RELIANCE ON ZOOM OR OTHER DIGITAL OR ELECTRONIC TECHNOLOGY, FOR WHICH MANY RESIDENTS ARE NOT FAMILIAR OR PROFICIENT, HAS NOT ALLOWED FULL PARTICIPATION OF ALL AFFECTED PEOPLE.

THE 7,000, APPROXIMATELY I GUESS IT IS LETTERS OF SUPPORT FALL SHORT OF THAT DESCRIPTION, WHO DOES IT SUPPORT THE THREE ITEMS ON THIS LETTER? BUT AS I READ IT, IT SAYS PARKS NOT PARKS.

IT ALSO SAYS TRAFFIC REPAIRS, I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WILL BE NEEDED DO DUE TO ALL OF THE EXTRA TRAFFIC.

FINALLY, WHY ARE THE PRESENT HEARINGS BEING CONDUCTED BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION MEASURE X APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL CONCERNING THE REQUIRED ZONING CHANGE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT IS BEFORE THE ELECTORATE TO DECIDE A VERY SMALL FRACTION OF THAT ELECTORATE ARE REPRESENTED IN THESE HEARINGS.

THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS EVENING, MR. BANNON, WE APPRECIATE YOU SHARING YOUR TIME WITH US AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.

THANK YOU.

NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE GOING DOWN THE LIST AND NUMBER 16, ALEX, IF YOU ARE IN THE QUEUE, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? I DON'T SEE ALEX IN THE QUEUE.

SO WE'RE GOING BACK UP TO THE NUMBER TWO, ROBERT ROMAN, IF YOU ARE IN THE QUEUE, CAN YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND? OKAY.

GOING DOWN THE LIST.

NUMBER FOUR, CALLING USER NUMBER TWO.

IF YOU ARE IN THE QUEUE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

GOING DOWN THE LIST.

NUMBER SEVEN DQ.

IF YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

GOING DOWN THE LIST.

NUMBER 11, L H.

IF YOU'RE IN THE QUEUE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY.

NUMBER 14, DIANE D IF YOU'RE THERE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND WE HAVE COME BACK TO NUMBER 16, ALEX, AND I DON'T SEE THEM IN THE QUEUE.

ALL RIGHT, RHONDA.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WE'VE WE'VE, UNLESS SOMETHING'S CHANGED, WE'VE GIVEN AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR ALL THOSE IN THE QUEUE LAST NIGHT TO, UH, TO MAKE THEIR COMMENTARY.

SO, UH, ON THAT BASIS AND WITH, UH, MEETING PROTOCOLS IN MIND, I WILL NOW CALL IN TO ALL ORAL TESTIMONY.

AND NOW WE WILL SUMMARIZE THE WRITTEN COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED SINCE 5:00 PM THIS AFTERNOON.

AND WE'RE GOING, GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT THOUGH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IN FIVE MINUTES.

IT'S BEEN ONE HOUR AND A HALF SO FAR, AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A HEALTH BREAK.

NOW WE WILL RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES, FIVE MINUTES ONLY.

WE'LL BE BACK.

WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT EIGHT OH SIX.

CAUSE I'VE ALREADY BEEN SPEAKING FOR PROBABLY 30 SECONDS.

SO LET'S TAKE THAT BREAK.

IT, RELIEVE YOUR SCREENS ON, UH, AND WE WILL BE BACK AT EIGHT OH SIX.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, LET'S SEE WHERE WE ARE WITH REGARD TO MY COLLEAGUES.

DO WE HAVE A VICE CHAIR? MANLY?

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YES, I'M HERE.

THANK YOU.

YOU HAVE COMMISSIONER PAL? YES.

AND DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONER BURNETT AND THE COMMISSIONER AND WHO KNOWS? YES.

VERY GOOD.

DO WE HAVE MR. HO? YES, I'M HERE.

AND DO WE HAVE VERONICA HERE? WE ARE RECONVENING THIS, A MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

FIRST QUESTION IS TO VERONICA AND THAT IS, DO WE HAVE ANY WRITTEN COMMENTS TO SUMMARIZE TONIGHT? WE DO NOT.

OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH THEN AT THIS TIME, THIS IS NOW THE TIME FOR THE APPLICANT TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL AND I WILL ASK THE APPLICANT TO DO SO PLEASE, MR. CHAIRMAN, ANDREW HO DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, UM, AT THIS TIME, UH, UH, VERONICA, IF WE CAN UNMUTE, UH, THE APPLICANT ANDREW HAN FROM LAMAR AND ANDREW, WE WILL SHARE OUR SCREEN WITH YOU SO YOU CAN RUN THROUGH YOUR REBUTTAL PRESENTATION.

PLEASE SHARE THE SCREEN, PLEASE.

ALRIGHT.

WHILE MY COLLEAGUE HERE, UM, SETTING UP THE, UH, SHARING OF THE SCREEN, I WILL BEGIN BY COMMENT, MR. HAN, ARE YOU GOOD EVENING? CHAIRMAN VICE CHAIRMAN AND COMMISSION MEMBERS AND A GRAY STAFF AND PUBLIC AT HOME.

I HOPE ALL I SAFE AND HEALTHY.

AGAIN, MY NAME'S ANDREW HAHN AND I'M DIRECTOR OF FORWARD PLANNING AND IN OUR HOMES, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE.

AND THANK YOU FOR THIS REBOTTLE OPPORTUNITY.

I SEE IT PROCEED WITH THE THIRD EVENING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANT TO EXPRESS OUR SINCERE GRATITUDE TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS.

THAT'S AN UNPAID VOLUNTARY BOARD.

YOU ARE SERVING YOUR CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND DEVOTING TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF YOUR PERSONAL TIME TO LISTEN TO THE PUBLIC AND TO DELIBERATE ON AN UNBIASED AND OBJECTIVE MANNER, REGARDLESS OF YOUR TAKE ON OUR PROJECT, WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR AVERAGE.

AS I STATED IN THE BEGINNING OF MY PRESENTATION ON MONDAY NIGHT, YOU HEARD INTENSE PASSION FROM THOSE OPPOSING THIS DEVELOPMENT.

WE ACKNOWLEDGED THIS AS A DEVELOPMENT OF GREAT INTEREST AND RELEVANCE TO THE CITY.

THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN A PUBLIC AWARENESS FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS, AND ALTHOUGH THERE HAVE BEEN EXTRAORDINARY OUTREACH EFFORTS TO THE COMMUNITY DURING THIS TIME, IT IS CLEAR.

WE NEED TO PROVIDE FURTHER CLARITY THROUGH THIS IMPORTANT PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.

IN MY COMMENTS TONIGHT, HOW WE'LL ADDRESS SEVERAL OF THE MISCONCEPTIONS THAT WAS SHARED ABOUT THE RANCHO, THE HOT BROW PROJECT ONE RIGHT OFF THE BAT IS THAT LUNARO DEVELOP WESTBRIDGE THAT ARE PROMISED AND RENEGED ON OUR PROMISES.

ACTUALLY LENARA WAS A MERCHANT BUILDER BUYING PROPERTY FROM A MASTER DEVELOPER AFTER IT HAS BEEN PLANNED OUT IN TITLE DESIGN, ALL THE LAND DEVELOPMENT HAS TAKEN PLACE AND THE MASTER AMENITIES HAVE BEEN PROMISED BY THE MASTER DEVELOPER.

IF ONE HAS CONCERNS ABOUT OR CLAIMS ABOUT THE HOMES THEMSELVES, THAT IS LUNARS RESPONSIBILITY, BUT MENARD WAS NOT THE MASTER DEVELOPER WHO HAS PROMISED TO MAKE ALL OF THESE AMENITIES AND RENAGEL ON THOSE PROMISES.

IT IS NOT US.

AND I HOPE, UH, THE STAFF CAN CHECK THE RECORDS TO CONFIRM THE VERACITY OF MY, UH, STATEMENT TODAY.

WHILE YOU MAY CHOOSE TO AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH THE PROFESSIONAL ANALYSIS CONDUCTED BY CITY STAFF AND THE TEAM OF EXPERTS TASKED WITH REVIEWING OUR PROPOSAL.

THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT ALL OF THE COMMENTS WE HEARD OVER THE LAST FEW NIGHT OR IMPORTANT ISSUES WE FEEL

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ARE ADDRESSED BY EXCEPTIONALLY THOROUGH WORK COMPLETE BY THE HARBOR CITY STAFF, THEIR EXPERTS AND OUR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT IS IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT OF LAMAR AND THE CITY THAT HAS UNFOLDED OVER MONTHS AND YEARS, YOUR STAFF HAS WORKED TIRELESSLY TO MEND THE PROPOSAL, REVIEW ITS IMPACT AND ENSURE IT IS THE BEST FIT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WELL, MANY COMMENTS IMPLY THE RANCHO LAHABRA IS BEING PUSHED BY A DEVELOPER.

WE VIEW IT AS A JOINT EXERCISE WITH A CITY THAT WILL BENEFIT ALL AND AFFECT IS YOUR CITY.

STAFF HAS BEEN VIGOROUS IN DEMANDING A QUALITY PLAN AND COMMUNITY ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS.

AND THE TERMS OF THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT REFLECT THOSE REQUIREMENTS IMPOSED ON US.

THE HOMBRE IS A DESIRABLE PLACE TO LIVE.

I'M SURE THE CITY IS PROUD THAT THE CURRENT RESIDENTS WANT TO STAY AND OTHERS WANT TO JOIN.

THE DESIRABILITY IS EVAN IN THE HOUSING DEMAND.

WE AS BUILDERS, DON'T CREATE HOUSING DEMAND.

WE ARE PROUD OF BUILDING QUALITY HOMES FOR FAMILIES, AND TO MEET THE HOUSING DEMAND.

THE MISMATCH BETWEEN THE SUPPLY AND DEMAND IS CREATING THE HOUSING CRISIS THAT WE ARE ALL EXPERIENCING.

INCREASING PRICES IS AN INDICATION.

I'M SURE YOU HAVE REALIZED THE HARBOR AWAY EXPERIENCE HOUSING GROWTH, WHETHER A DISLOCATION OR ELSEWHERE IN THE CITY, RATHER THAN ATTEMPTING TO STOP ALL THE DEVELOPMENTS.

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHOOSE QUALITY DEVELOPMENT WITH THOUGHTFUL MITIGATION MEASURES AND ROBUST PUBLIC BENEFITS.

THIS IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

IT CAN HELP THE ENTIRE CITY.

THERE WERE NUMEROUS FACTUALLY INCORRECT STATEMENTS.

THERE WAS SET DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THAT I FEEL IMPORTANT TO CORRECT THE RECORD WHILE THERE IS NOT TIME TO RESPOND TO EVERY COMMENT I BELIEVE OUR TIME WOULD BE BEST SPENT ON COVERING EIGHT MAJOR TOPICS FOR REVIEW AS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE.

RIGHT NOW, I URGE YOU TO ASK QUESTIONS TO THE CITY STAFF AND ER CONSULTANTS AS TO DELIBERATE.

DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT.

THE ER PROCESS IN CALIFORNIA IS THE MOST THOROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS PROCESS THAT EXISTS ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY.

AND AS A RESULT, THE ER ON THIS PROJECT IS THE END PRODUCT OF FIVE YEARS OF HARD WORK FROM THE CITY STAFF AND ENVIRONMENTAL EXPERTS.

LET ME JUST GO OVER THOSE EIGHT POINTS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE.

AND I DESCRIBE EACH ONE OF THOSE COINS IN MORE DETAIL.

FIRST, THERE WERE CLAIMS MADE ABOUT THE, UH, ABOUT YOUR PETITIONS.

UM, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION OR DATA THAT I HAVE TO SHARE WITH YOU THAT SUPPORT OUR CLAIM, THAT THE PETITIONS REPRESENT A HARBOR AND SUPPORT SECOND, AND WERE CLAIMS MADE THAT THIS, THESE ARE SUPER FUN SITE.

THE AREA IS ENTIRELY COVERED WITH TOXICS AND THAT THE NEW CITY PARK IS AN UNSAFE ENVIRONMENT.

THAT COULDN'T BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

AND I HAVE EXPERTS WITH ME WHO WILL GO OVER THOSE FINDINGS.

THIRD AT THE, THIS NEW CITY PARK, WE PROPOSE IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAME OUT ON OUR OWN AND THAT WE ARE PUSHING TO THE CITY WAS NOT WELCOMING THE PARK.

IT IS A REFLECTION OF THE EXTENSIVE AND MULTI-YEAR COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY.

AND I HAVE PAT MURPHY WOULD SNP HERE WITH ME WHO WILL GO OVER THE DESIGN PROCESS FOR IT.

THERE WERE COMMENTS MADE AT THE CFD, UH, CAN

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POTENTIALLY EXPOSE LAHABRA TAXPAYERS, UH, TO LIABILITY.

THAT IS NOT A CORRECT STATEMENT.

AND WE HAVE A LEGAL COUNSEL WITH US WHO WILL GO OVER HOW THE STATEMENT IS INCORRECT.

YEAH, THE, THE NEXT TWO, UH, TWO ITEMS, NUMBER FIVE AND SIX RELATED RELATE TO THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS THAT WERE COMPLETED COMPLETED.

UH, WE WILL, THERE WAS A, A STATEMENT MADE THAT THE FAIR SHARE CONTRIBUTIONS TO NEIGHBORING CITIES IS A, UM, TO PUT IT BLUNTLY IS A SHAM THAT D DEVELOPER HAS NO INTENTION OF PAIN.

WE WANT TO CLARIFY THE POSITION AND IF WE'RE OFF, WE'RE OFFERING, UH, A POSITION THAT THE MONEY WE PAY WILL NEVER COME BACK TO US.

THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, WHETHER THE BMT IS A APPROPRIATE FRAMEWORK TO ANALYZE THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

AND WE WILL DISCUSS THAT AS WELL.

ANOTHER POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS IF REGARDING THE FISCAL IMPACT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS A DRAIN ON THE GENERAL FUND AND THAT INSTEAD OF CONTRIBUTING POSITIVELY TO THE COMMUNITY, THAT YOU WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE OVERALL FISCAL POSITION OF THE CITY.

THAT IS NOT AGAIN A CORRECT STATEMENT.

FINALLY, WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE, NOT A, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONTRIBUTION IN ISOLATION, NOT THE PUBLIC BENEFIT CASH CONTRIBUTION IN ISOLATION, BUT THE OVERALL ROBUST PUBLIC BENEFITS PACKAGE THAT I EXPRESS AS VALUED OF $40 MILLION.

AND WE WANT TO, UH, FURTHER EXPAND ON THAT AND HOW THAT COMPARES TO OTHER PROJECTS, HOW MUCH THEY PAID AND HOW THIS, HOW OUR PROJECT COMPARES.

AND AT THE, I THINK YOU ARE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THE, UH, OVERALL BENEFITS PACKAGE WE'RE OFFERING IS A ROBUST AND IS A EXCEPTIONAL MERIT.

SO LET ME TALK ABOUT THE PETITIONS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.

WE PULL THE SAMPLE OF 218 PETITIONS TO STUDY ADDRESSES SHOWN ON THE PETITION SURVEY.

YOU SEE THE CITY BOUNDARIES IN BLUE.

WE DID PICK UP A FAIR AMOUNT OF SIGNERS FROM LAHABRA HEIGHTS AND ACTUALLY AN ADDRESS FROM SOUTH AMERICA.

I IMAGINED THE PERSON WHO'S AN OVERSEAS VISITOR WITH RELATIVES OR FAMILY MEMBERS IN LAHABRA.

EVEN IF YOU PUT ASIDE THOSE PETITIONS FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY OF BOUNDARIES THAT EQUATES TO OVER 6,000 SIGNATURES, A FORMIDABLE NUMBER, THE SERVICE HAS EVIDENCE OF PROJECT SUPPORT.

I DO STAND CORRECTED WHEN I SAID A MONDAY NIGHT THAT THE HOUR SPOT CHECKING HAS INDICATED 95% OF THOSE PETITIONS ARE FROM LAHABRA.

SO THAT IS A CORRECTION.

AND I DO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

UM, FOR THAT CORRECTION, I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ONE COMMENT ON THE PETITIONS FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY, WHILE THEY MAY NOT BE RESIDENTS.

THE CITY SERVES THOSE WHO WORK, WHO OPERATE BUSINESSES AND THE, LIKE, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE CASTING ASIDE.

THEIR BOYS COMPLETELY HERE IS A COPY OF THE ACTUAL PETITION.

IT SAYS TWICE IN THE BEGINNING AND DEN THAT THIS IS A SUPPORT CARD FOR THE RANCHO LAHABRA PROJECT.

LET ME BE UPFRONT ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF THIS PETITION.

IT WAS DESIGNED TO HIGHLIGHT BENEFITS OF OUR DEVELOPMENT.

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WE'VE FELT THAT THE ORGANIZED EFFORTS TO EMPHASIZE PROJECT IMPACTS, BUT IGNORE PROJECT BENEFIT.

WE'RE TROUNCING OUT OPPORTUNITIES TO ENGAGE IN THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION.

WE WANTED TO SEE IF THERE IS SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT BENEFIT TO OUR RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

AGAIN, THE RANCHO LA HABRA PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN FOR FIVE YEARS AND I'LL I'LL REACH TO THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES, AND WE WILL REFINE AND CLARIFY SUPPORT, UH, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

WHEN ONE ASKS WHAT THE RANCHO LA HABRA PROJECT IS ABOUT.

PETITIONER, A PETITION GATHERERS RESPONDED THAT THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE WEST RIDGE GOLF COURSE.

AND AID IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO A POTENTIALLY HIGH DENSITY HOUSING REGARDING THE CLAIM THAT THE SIGNERS DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT.

PLEASE TAKE A LOOK AT THE MAP.

YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE.

SIGNERS ARE NOT ONLY FROM THROUGHOUT LAHABRA, BUT ALSO FROM THE WEST RIDGE COMMUNITY AND THE AREAS IMMEDIATELY AROUND IT.

CAN I SEE KNOW THE RESIDENTS IN THESE AREAS ARE EXTREMELY ACTIVE IN FOLLOWING THIS DEVELOPMENT CLOSELY AND KNOW VERY WELL.

WHAT RANCHO LAHABRA ENTAILS.

I LOOKED AT PUT SOME MORE CONTEXT TO THE PETITIONS WE TALKED ABOUT.

UM, WHAT I LIKE TO DO NEXT IS I'D LIKE TO SWITCH UP A LITTLE BIT.

I THINK YOU SET UP HEARING ME SPEAK ON MONDAY AND TODAY I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE SOME OF OUR TEAM MEMBERS WHO ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS ON THE, UM, ON THE VARIOUS TOPICS WE'LL BE COVERING.

THE FIRST GENTLEMAN THAT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE IS DENNIS RODNICK, UH, WITH LAWSON, UH, GEOTECHNICAL CONSULTANTS.

AND HE IS A GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER, AND I'D LIKE HIM TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF, UH, THE, THE SITES, THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITION, THE GEO TECHNICAL STABILITY THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY TODAY.

HERE IS DENNIS.

LOOK AT SOMEBODY AS SOMEBODY HAS HACKED OUR SLIDE.

CAN WE PLEASE GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

UM, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO ELABORATE ON THE SOILS CONDITIONS AT THE PROPOSED RANCHO LAHABRA PROJECT, AS ANDREW INDICATED, MY NAME IS DENNIS .

I'M A LICENSED CIVIL AND GEOTECHNICAL ENGINEER HERE IN CALIFORNIA.

I'VE BEEN IN THE GEOTECHNICAL CONSULTING INDUSTRY FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

I'VE WORKED ON NUMEROUS SITES OF SIMILAR SIZE AND GEO-TECHNICAL COMPLEXITY AS THIS ONE.

WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH THE ONSITE GEO-TECHNICAL CONDITIONS.

AND I'VE PERSONALLY WORKED ON THE PROJECT SINCE 2014, BEFORE I GET GOING.

I'D LIKE TO ELABORATE ON THE BACKGROUND RESEARCH AND ALL THE TECHNICAL WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO UNDERSTAND NEW ONSITE GEO-TECHNICAL CONDITIONS.

THIS INCLUDED AN EXTENSIVE REVIEW OF THE PAST REPORTS FOR THE SITE GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1970S.

THIS INCLUDES WHAT WE'D REFER TO AS THE GEOTECHNICAL INVESTIGATION REPORTS AND THE AS GRADED REPORTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE WEST RIDGE DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE WERE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE ONSITE GEO-TECHNICAL OKAY.

IN ADDITION TO THIS, WE PERFORM SUBSURFACE WORK, INCLUDING HOLLOW STEM, BORINGS BUCKET, AUGER, BORINGS, AND CPTS, OR CONE PENETRATION TESTS.

ADDITIONALLY, WE PERFORMED LABORATORY TESTING.

LASTLY, WE PERFORMED ANALYSIS ON ALL THE OLD AND NEW DATA THAT WE HAD.

IF YOU COULD JUST GO BACK TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, I'M SORRY.

MY MOUSE IS A LITTLE JUMPY.

UM, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE MAP, THE PROPOSED RANCHO LA HARBOR

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SITE IS SHOWN WITH THE BLACK BOUNDARY AROUND IT ON THE NORTH SIDE.

UM, AS WELL AS THE EXISTING WEST RIDGE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS SHOWN ON THE SOUTHERN OR THE LOWER PORTION OF THE MAP BEACH BOULEVARD IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND SOUTH IDAHO STREET IS ON THE RIGHT.

EACH OF THE RED DOTS SHOWN ON HERE REPRESENT A CAP OIL.

WELL, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE ARE ONLY 23 CAP OIL WELLS WITHIN THE PROPOSED RANCHO LA HABRA SITE.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE 81 CAPPED WELLS WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE EXISTING WESTRIDGE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

ON THE NEXT SLIDE, I'M GOING TO ZOOM INTO THE PARK SITE, WHICH IS SORT OF SHOWING IF YOU CAN GO BACK ONE MORE SHOW WHERE THE PARKSIDE IS THE NEXT SLIDE I'M GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE ORIENTATION.

WE'RE GOING TO ZOOM INTO THE PARKSIDE.

THAT'S THE PARKSIDE THAT'S OVER THERE AS WE ZOOM, OR THEY CHANGE TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

THE ORIENTATION IS GOING TO SWITCH.

NOW, NORTH IS UP ON THE PAGE, WHICH PUTS IDAHO STREET TOWARDS THE TOP AND BEACH BOULEVARD TOWARDS THE BOTTOM.

SO REGARDING THE CONCERN THAT THE PARK SITE IS FULL OF TOXIC SOIL, CONTRARY TO STATEMENTS PROVIDED BY OTHERS IN THE PUBLIC COMMENTARY.

THERE ARE ONLY THREE ABANDONED OIL WELLS WITHIN THE CITY PARK.

IF YOU COULD JUST SHOW THEM THE THREE THAT ARE WITHIN THE LIMITS.

SO THERE'S THAT ONE THERE THAT WILL BE WITHIN THE LIMITS OF THE USABLE SPACE.

THIS ONE OVER HERE, 78 AND THEN TWO 41.

THE, THESE, THESE EXISTING CALF OIL WELLS WILL BE REHABAND IN TO TODAY'S STANDARDS, WHICH ARE HIGHER THAN THE STANDARDS TO WHICH THEY WERE PREVIOUSLY ABANDONED.

ALSO SHOWN ON THE EXHIBIT IS TWO OF THE CAPPED WELLS, WHICH ARE IN THE BOUNDARY OR THE PERIMETERS OF THE SITE OR THE SLOPES.

AND THAT'S THAT ONE 43 AND THREE 60 THAT'S OVER THERE.

SO BASED ON OUR REVIEW OF THE OLD REPORTS AND RESEARCH, THERE IS NO OIL EFFECTED SOILS WITHIN THE PROPOSED NEW PARK SITES.

SO CONTRARY TO STATEMENTS BY OTHERS IN THE PUBLIC CONTENT PUBLIC COMMENTARY, THE PROPOSED NEW PARK SITE WILL NOT BE FULL OF TOXIC SOILS.

IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS IN THERE IN THE COMMENTARY REGARDING THE FACT THAT THERE WERE, UM, THERE WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY PROVIDED REPORTS THAT ADDRESS THESE.

UM, AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AS NOTED IN APPENDIX M OF THE EIR CONTAINS A SITE ASSESSMENT REPORT, APPENDIX P OF THE EIR CONTAINS THE GEOTECHNICAL EVALUATION REPORT.

I GOT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT GEOTECHNICAL STABILITY AND LIQUEFACTION.

THE PERIMETER SLOPES AROUND THE, THE, THE PROPOSED RANCHO LA HARBOR SITE WERE GEOTECHNICALLY EVALUATED.

THAT MEANS WE DREW GEO-TECHNICAL CROSS SECTIONS.

WE ASSIGN THE SHEER STRENGTH OF THE SOILS, AND WE ANALYZE THEM UNDER THREE CONDITIONS.

WE ANALYZE THEM UNDER THE SHORT TERM STABILITY UNDER THE LONGTERM STABILITY.

AND PSEUDOSTATIC WHAT WE CALL EARTHQUAKE STABILITY.

THE CONCLUSION IS THAT THE PERIMETER SLOPES MEET OR EXCEED THE MINIMUM CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR SLOPE STABILITY, OR IN OTHER WORDS, THE SLOPES WILL BE STABLE AS DESIGN I'LL TOUCH BRIEFLY ON LIQUEFACTION.

BEFORE I WRAP UP OVER HERE, LIQUEFACTION IS A TEMPORARY CONDITION IN WHICH SOILS BEHAVE AS A LIQUID DURING AN EARTHQUAKE EVENT.

SO WE NEED THREE CONDITIONS LOOSE, SANDY SOILS, SHALLOW GROUNDWATER, AND AN EARTHQUAKE ON SITE.

WE HAVE ISOLATED THIN SOIL LAYERS, WHICH MEETING THIS CRITERIA BASED ON OUR ANALYSIS OF THE CPT DATA LIQUEFACTION AND DO SETTLEMENT IS CALCULATED TO BE APPROXIMATELY TWO INCHES.

THIS IS WELL WITHIN THE TOLERABLE LIMITS FOR THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT WILL BE CONSTRUCTED WITH A POST-TENSION FOUNDATION SYSTEM TO RECAP THE OTHER BULLET POINTS THERE ON THE SLIDE.

AGAIN, WE RECAP THREE OF THE FIVE ABANDONED WELLS WITHIN THE NEW PARK SITE.

ONLY THREE OF THEM ARE UNUSABLE SPACE.

UM, THOSE WELLS WILL BE KEPT AND REINVENTED ACCORDING TO THE CURRENT DAUGHTERS' STANDARDS.

UH, AND THE EXISTING WELLS REPRESENT A SAFETY HAZARD, BUT WILL BE REBRANDED TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY FOR ALL.

I'D LIKE TO SAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

UH, BEFORE WE GO FURTHER, THERE IS CLEARLY IS SOME, UM, SOME INTERACTION, UH, AND LIKE SOME EFFORTS TO, YOU KNOW, FEAR WITH THE PRESENTATION.

UH, IF THE, UH, CITY STAFF COULD DISABLE THE FEATURE.

SO IF

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SOMEONE CAN WRITE TEXTS OR COMMENT OVER OUR SLIDE, THERE'LL BE MUCH APPRECIATED.

THE NEXT, UH, POINT I LIKE TO, THE NEXT POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS ON THE NEW CITY PARK AND HOW THE PROCESS CAME ABOUT.

IT'S A REFLECTION OF OUR MULTI-YEAR COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY.

I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE.

PAT MURPHY FROM SMP IS A PARTNER AT THEIR FIRM, A LANDSCAPE FIRM, AND HE HAS VERY DEEP ROOTS IN THE COMMUNITY HAVING, UH, BEING RAISED HERE AND KNOW THIS PROPERTY EXTREMELY, EXTREMELY WELL.

OKAY.

HERE'S PAT, GOOD EVENING.

DISTINGUISHED PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.

WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US THIS TIME.

I HAD A THREE DAYS OF THIS IS QUITE A TESTAMENT TO YOUR STAMINA.

EXCELLENT JOB.

YOU'RE DOING.

THANK YOU.

ANDREW MENTIONED, MY NAME IS PATRICK MURPHY.

I GREW UP IN LAHABRA FOR 22 YEARS.

UH, VERY PROUD OF THE CITY WAS VERY HONORED TO BE SELECTED MY FIRM TO COME BACK AND WORK ON THIS PROJECT.

OUR BACKGROUND INCLUDES THE ORIGINAL WESTBRIDGE PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE GOLF COURSE, WORKING WITH THE GOLF ARCHITECT ON THAT.

UH, I DO GOLF.

SO I APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS MADE ABOUT THE USABILITY OF THE COURSE AND SO FORTH.

WE DO MANY OF THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS IN OUR 57 YEARS IN BUSINESS.

UH, AND I GET A TEST WITH ALL OF THE CLIENTS WE WORK WITH LENARA IS A VERY LEGITIMATE CLIENT.

WE WORKED WITH THEM FOR OVER 38 YEARS NOW.

VERY, VERY IMPRESSIVE GROUP HERE.

THESE PEOPLE CARE ABOUT PEOPLE.

I KNOW A LOT OF COMMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE SADLY, BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE LIVE IN THE GOD GIVEN COUNTRY HERE, VERY BLESSED TO LIVE, WHERE WE ARE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY LIKE LAHABRA AND ALL OF THE REPRESENTATIVES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PROJECT, AS WELL AS THE SERVICE THEY PROVIDE.

SO THANK YOU EVERYONE.

I HEARD ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN DIRECTED AT THIS PROJECT, ALL OF THEM, VERY WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION, BUT PLEASE KNOW THAT FIVE YEARS OF ON THIS PROJECT, A LOT OF HEART AND SOUL IS GONE INTO IT.

VERY PRESSIVE PROJECT.

THE OPEN SPACE THAT'S BEING CONSIDERED FOR THIS PROJECT IS IMMENSE.

I KNOW A LOT OF CRITICISM IS CONCERNING THE DENSITY OF THE PROJECT, BUT I KNOW FOR A FACT, AFTER WORKING IN BEING VERY INTIMATE ON THIS PROJECT, RIDING MOTORCYCLES AND BIKES AS A CHILD OVER THESE HILLS, THAT THE AMOUNT OF OPEN SPACE DEDICATED TO YOU, THE PUBLIC IS GOING TO BE QUITE SIGNIFICANT AND A QUITE A, AN HONOR TO BE WORKING ON A PROJECT OF THIS MAGNITUDE, THIS PARK THAT IS BEFORE YOU RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE DONE A LOT OF STUDIES.

WE'VE, UH, OBVIOUSLY MOST RECENTLY GONE THROUGH THE PARK THROUGH THIS PROGRESS OF THE PROJECT ITSELF, TO NOTE ALL THE REDEEMING FEATURES THAT EXIST.

UH, WE'VE DONE MANY GRADING STUDIES WORKING WITH A CIVIL ENGINEER WHO IS ONE OF THE TOP IN OUR INDUSTRY ON SACKER.

AND, UH, WE, WE ARE IN OUR ATTEMPT TO DESIGN THIS PART OUT, PRESERVED AS MANY OF THE NATURAL FEATURES AS POSSIBLE, WHICH INCLUDE A LOT OF THE MATURE TREES AND THE TOPOGRAPHIC VALUE OF THE SITE ITSELF.

THERE'S A SURROUND THERE WITH THE SLOPES THAT PROVIDE A BUFFER.

SO ALL THE HOMES, THOSE ARE BEING RETAINED.

THE, UM, AGAIN, THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS PARK INCLUDE A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WILL BE DEDICATED TO YOU, THE PUBLIC, AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, IT'S A PRIVATE FACILITY.

SOMEONE HAD MADE COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT THE USE OF THIS, THIS ENTIRE COURSE, ALTHOUGH THE PARKING LOT IS PARTIALLY FILLED.

NOT ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE DO PLAY THE GOLF COURSE.

THEY DO USE THE COMMUNITY SET OR WHAT WILL BE THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

SO THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THIS BY THE ARCHITECT, THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S ONBOARD ON THIS THING WILL BE TERRIFIC.

THIS PART INCLUDES ALL SORTS OF SPACES THAT ALLOW FOR PUBLIC USE, INCLUDING BOTCHY BALL EVENT, LAWN AREAS.

WE HAVE A PAVILION FOR CONCERTS WHERE THE CURSOR SITS RIGHT NOW IS A STAGE AREA THAT PARTICULAR AREA WILL ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR CONCERTS AND MOVIES IN THE PARKS.

YOU KNOW, THESE DAYS, THE WAY WE'RE LIVING WITH THE PANDEMIC, THINGS ARE MUCH DIFFERENT.

WE'RE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO HAVING, BEING IN CLOSE QUARTERS.

THIS PART WILL PROVIDE FOR THAT OPENNESS, SAFETY AND SECURITY, A KEY ASPECT IN ANY DESIGN OF ANY COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY PARKS.

SO THIS IS WELL DESIGNED WITH CONSIDERATION FOR ALL OF THOSE.

IN MIND, WE HAVE A MAJOR PASEO THAT GOES THROUGH THE PARK THAT ALLOWS FOR THE CONNECTIVITY FOR ALL OF THE DIFFERENT USES.

THAT INCLUDES A CHILD'S OR YOUNGER CHILDREN,

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A WATERPARK.

WE HAVE TAUGHT LOT STRUCTURES IN THERE.

WE HAVE PICNIC PAVILIONS, EXERCISE COURSES, TRAIL SYSTEMS, AGAIN, AS LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, WE TAKE GREAT PRIDE IN WORKING IN MANIPULATING THE GROUND FORMS AND LAND FORMS THAT ALLOW FOR THE USABILITY OF A PARK LIKE THIS.

SO A LOT OF, AGAIN, A LOT OF DESIGN EFFORT HAS GONE INTO THIS, LOOKING AT THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS TO CREATE THESE OUTDOOR SPACES THAT WILL PROVIDE YOU THE PUBLIC WITH, UH, QUITE, UH, AWARD-WINNING SORT OF SITUATION HERE.

THIS IS A MODEL EXAMPLE FOR WHAT WILL BE DONE IN THE FUTURE ON OTHER TYPES OF PROJECTS, SIMILAR TO GOLF COURSES LIKE THIS.

BUT AGAIN, LENORE HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME.

WE'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THEM ON VETTING THIS WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY AND ALL OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES, UH, GREAT INPUT FROM THEM.

LENARA SPARED NO COST AND MAKING SURE THAT THE DEMANDS OR THE REQUESTS MADE BY THE CITY ARE INCORPORATED IN THIS DESIGN.

HERE.

THERE WAS A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY THAT THIS PARK PROVIDES AND LEAVES ARE SHOWING SOME INTERESTING BLOWUPS AND LARGE AREAS HERE THAT PRESENT YOU RIGHT NOW.

AGAIN, THE EVENT LAWN IS THE OVAL LAWN TO THE TOP OF THE SCREEN.

SO THE LEFT OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THERE IS ANOTHER EVENT LAWN THAT WOULD REALLY ENCOMPASS THE ABILITY TO HAVE OUTDOOR WEDDINGS, AS WELL AS A FIREPLACE PAVILION THAT ALLOWS FOR OUTDOOR DINING IN THE EVENING.

EVERYTHING IS ABOUT INDOOR AND OUTDOOR SPACE.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE, IT'S ABOUT ENLARGING AND EXTENDING WHAT THE BUILDING PROVIDES FOR ENTERTAINMENT SPACES.

SO THIS COMMUNITY CENTER, WHICH IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE TOPS IN THE INDUSTRY WILL ALLOW FOR OUTDOOR PARTIES AND FUNCTIONS.

NOW WITH THE PANDEMIC, THERE'S A LOT OF CONSIDERATION FOR SEPARATION.

HENCE, THIS PARK IS ALLOWED FOR THAT AND THE FUTURE OF WHAT, WHAT A SOCIETY PROVIDES AS WE MAKE OUR WAY UP THE BRAND PAVILION OR WALKWAY THROUGH THE PARK.

THE ELEVATION DIFFERENCE STARTS TO INCREASE AS WE GO INTO THE PART FURTHER, WHICH ALLOWS FOR THESE TOPOGRAPHIC SORT OF OUTDOOR SPACES THAT WE'VE DESIGNED HERE.

SO THERE ARE EXERCISE COURSES AND PICNIC, THE VARIANTS, THERE'S LOTS OF SEPARATION.

TYPICALLY IN A PART, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT TO CONSIDER IN SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

THAT SEPARATION IS VERY IMPORTANT, BOTH FROM A SAFETY, AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH AT THE MOMENT, RIGHT NOW, WALKWAYS AND TRAIL SYSTEMS, THEY'RE CONNECTED THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF THE WEST RIDGE PROJECT ITSELF.

WE'RE UTILIZING A LOT OF THE EXHIBIT, ALL IN FACT, ALL OF THE EXISTING GOLF CART PATHS, AND THOSE WILL BE REPAIRED AS NECESSARY, BUT THOSE WILL BE THE CONNECTIVITY THAT TRANSFORMS AND GOES THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF BOTH THIS PARK, AS WELL AS CONNECTING WITH THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES.

AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE IMAGERY, IN THE RIGHT OR THE MIDDLE OF THE SHOT HERE, SOME OF THE PLACE STRUCTURES AND THE IMAGES THAT ARE PROVIDED THIS PARK WILL BE A STATE OF THE ART PARK THAT THE CITY WILL BE VERY PROUD OF.

IT WILL ALSO INCORPORATE THE MOST STATE-OF-THE-ART WATER CONSERVATION SYSTEMS. AS WE KNOW, WATER IS A PRECIOUS COMMODITY.

WE'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO BE BLESSED WITH IT.

AND THEREFORE THIS PARK WILL INCORPORATE MEASURES THAT ALLOW FOR PERMANENCY.

OFTENTIMES YOU'LL HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE MANY OF THESE PARKS THAT HAVE BEEN DESIGNED IN THE PAST UTILIZE A LOT OF WATER, BUT THIS PARK WILL INCORPORATE NATIVE PLANT MATERIAL TO GIVE BACK TO THE FLORA AND FAUNA, THE NATURAL, UH, OF OUR CHARACTER OF THE CITY AND ALLOW FOR, AGAIN, PRESERVING A LOT OF THE TREES THAT ARE EXISTING ONSITE OF WHICH WE DESIGNED ORIGINALLY.

SO THE GREAT EMPHASIS HAS MADE HERE AS FAR AS PRESERVATION, WHICH IS A HUGE CONSIDERATION HERE.

I BELIEVE THERE'S ONE MORE SLIDE.

I KNOW.

I THINK THAT'S IT.

YEAH.

WELL, THAT WAS JUST ANOTHER ENLARGEMENT.

SO AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE FACT, VERY PROUD OF THE CITY 22 YEARS SPENT IN THE CITY.

IT'S AN HONOR TO BE CHARGED WITH WORKING ON THIS AND, AND, UH, WORKING FOR YOU, THE COMMUNITY.

UM, I USED TO MARCH IN THE, UH, UH, CORN FESTIVAL PARADE PLAYING THE SNARE DRUM FOR THE BEGINNING WHEN I WAS BORN IN 1954.

AND SO A LOT OF HISTORY GOING BACK, WORKED AT THE BIG DEAL CARWASH AT HIGHWAY 39 AND BEACH BOULEVARD WHILE GOING THROUGH SCHOOL.

UH, THE CITY MEANS A LOT TO ME.

IT MEANS A LOT TO ALL OF THESE CONSULTANTS WORKING ON IT.

IT'S AN EXCEPTIONAL TEAM.

OUR BUSINESS HAS BEEN AROUND 57 YEARS.

I COULDN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT THIS DEVELOPER.

LEONARA IS TRULY A PEOPLE COMPANY THAT CARE ABOUT PEOPLE.

AND I BELIEVE IF YOU REALLY START

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LOOKING AT THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT'S GONE INTO THIS AND NEED ANY QUESTIONS ANSWERED, WE WILL BE THERE FOR YOU.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NICE.

I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE GREG SANDERS.

HE'S THE PARTNER AND NASR MOON, A LEGAL FIRM REPRESENTING, UH, AS OUR LEGAL COUNSEL.

I LIKE TO NOTE THAT THE, HE, THE CURRENT PLANNING COMMISSIONER AT INDIAN WELLS IS THAT HE IS IN YOUR POSITION ON MATTERS THAT JUST AS THEY COME UP AND YOU DIDN'T, WELL, YOU ALSO GREW UP IN ANAHEIM AS WELL.

HE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, UH, TH THE CFD AND THE, UM, THE CLAIM THAT WAS MADE THAT THE, THAT THE TAXPAYERS, UH, IS MAYBE AT RISK, LIKE THE CFD IS DISSOLVE AND THAT THE, UH, UH, ALSO REGARDING THE HABITAT CONSERVATION AREA, UH, MAINTENANCE AS WELL.

YOU ALSO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDIES.

HERE'S GREAT.

THANK YOU, ANDREW.

I APPRECIATE THE INTRODUCTION IS, UH, AS ANDREW SAID, MY NAME IS GREG SANDERS.

I'M COUNSEL FOR LENARA ON THIS PROJECT.

AND AS ANDREW ALSO SAID, I'M A PLANNING COMMISSIONER IN INDIAN WELLS.

AND SO I FEEL YOUR PAIN.

YOU KNOW, I, UM, UH, SAT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BASE ON THE SIDE THAT YOU'RE SITTING ON MANY TIMES, UH, LISTENED TO PRESENTATIONS ON, UH, PRIMARILY, UH, TOURIST ORIENTED PROJECTS FOR INDIAN WELLS, BUT, UH, NONETHELESS PROJECTS WITH SIMILAR IMPACTS AND AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER, UM, I LIKE TO KEEP IN MIND, UH, AN OLD PHRASE, EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION, BUT NOT THEIR OWN FACTS.

SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE FACTS FOR A FEW MOMENTS, WITH RESPECT TO THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT.

THE STATEMENT WAS MADE THAT SOMEHOW THE RANCHO LA HARBOROUGH HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND DISSOLVE THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT, LEAVING THE LAW, TAXPAYERS LIABLE FOR THE DEBT.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT CANNOT HAPPEN.

A COMMUNITY FACILITIES DISTRICT IS A SEPARATE LEGAL ENTITY, SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE CITY, IT'S GOVERNED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT AS A LEGAL ENTITY, IT REALLY HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CITY.

WHEN A CFD IS FOREIGN AS A GENERAL RULE, BONDS ARE SOLD TO OTHER FINANCE, CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS AFFILIATED WITH A PROJECT LIKE THIS, OR TO ACQUIRE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT.

AND THOSE BONDS ARE SECURED BY ONLY ONE THING.

AND THAT IS A LANE ON THE LAND OWNED BY THE INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS.

WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A TYPICAL BOILER PLATE PARAGRAPH FROM A BOND AND DENTURE, UH, FOR COMMUNITY FACILITIES, DISTRICT BONDS.

AND AS YOU CAN READ, UM, NEITHER THE FAITH AND CREDIT NOR THE TAXING POWER OF THE AUTHORITY.

UM, THAT'S THE CITY, THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, OR ANY OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION, UM, HAS PLEDGED TO THE PAYMENT OF THE PRINCIPAL ON AND THE INTEREST ON THE BONDS.

SO ONLY THE PROPERTY WITHIN THE SUB DIMENSION WITHIN THE PROJECT, UH, IS USED TO SECURE THE BONDS.

AND THAT IS THE ONLY SECURITY THAT IS PROVIDED FOR THOSE BONDS.

SO IF THERE'S A, IF THERE'S A, UH, UM, UH, IF THERE'S A DEFAULT ON PAYMENT OF BONDS, THE BOND HOLDERS CAN ONLY GO AGAINST THE PROPERTY.

THAT IS THE SECURITY FOR THOSE BONDS.

OKAY.

LET'S UM, TALK ABOUT THE CONSERVATION AREA MAINTENANCE OBLIGATION.

FOR A MOMENT, WE HAVE WORKED IN A VERY COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE, UH, AND WITH THE CITY TO, UM, MITIGATE FOR THE LOSS OF THE DEED RESTRICTED CONSERVATION AREA WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE PROJECT.

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AND CFW IS NOW VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPROACH TAKEN IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT FOR MITIGATING THE LOSS, UM, THAT CONSERVATION AREA.

UM, THE CONSERVATION AREA OF THE NEW CONSERVATION AREA WILL BE OFF SITE.

AND THE TAXPAYERS OF LAHABRA WILL NOT BE OBLIGATED TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE OF THAT NEW CONSERVATION AREA.

WHAT WILL HAPPEN, WHICH IS TYPICAL OF ARRANGEMENTS LIKE THIS? WELL, NO, OUR WILL BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE AN ENDOWMENT WHICH WILL BE USED FOR PERPETUAL MAINTENANCE OF THE PROPERTY.

SO THE TAXPAYERS WILL NOT BE ON THE HOOK FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE NEW CONSERVATION.

LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT LINE.

UM, THE STATEMENT WAS MADE THAT SOMEHOW, UH, LENARA WILL RECEIVE A REFUND OF FEES IN LIEU FEES THAT ARE PAID TO MITIGATE TRAFFIC IMPACTS, TRAFFIC INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS.

UM, THAT'S SIMPLY NOT A TRUE STATEMENT, UM, AND, UH, TO, UM, DEMONSTRATE LENARZ, UH, WILLINGNESS TO FOREGO THOSE FUNDS LENARA IS WILLING TO ACCEPT A CONTRACTUAL PROVISION IN THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT THAT WHATEVER RIGHTS THAT WILL NR MIGHT HAVE TO REFUND OF THOSE TRAFFIC MITIGATION FEES, WHEN OUR WILL NOT ACCEPT IT, CANNOT ACCEPT IT.

AND THE CITY MAY KEEP IT FOR, UH, USE, UH, FOR THE INTENDED TRAFFIC MITIGATION.

SO THERE WILL BE NO REFUND TO LENORE OF ANY OF THE TRAFFIC MITIGATION FEES THAT ARE PAID, INCLUDING TRAFFIC MITIGATION FEES FOR TRAFFIC IMPACTS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY.

WELL, LET'S GO ONTO THE NEXT SLIDE.

UM, THE OTHER NIGHT, UM, JOE FAUST MADE THE STATEMENT THAT THE USE OF LOS OR LEVEL OF SERVICE, UM, IT'S NOT AN APPROPRIATE ANALYTICAL TOOL TO EVALUATE TRAFFIC IMPACTS FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, I KNOW JOE FAUST, UM, CAN'T SAY THAT HE'S A CLOSE PERSONAL FRIEND, BUT I DO KNOW HIM AND I RESPECT HIM.

UH, JOE FAUST IS A PIONEER IN THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERING FIELD.

SO WHEN HE HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT TRAFFIC IMPACTS, I PAY CLOSE ATTENTION.

THE STATEMENT THAT JOE MADE ABOUT USE OF LOS IS THE ANALYTICAL TOOL IN THE TRAFFIC STUDIES FOR, UH, THE RANCHO LA HOVER EIR IS NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEERING STATEMENT.

IN FACT, IT'S, IT'S REALLY A LEGAL STATEMENT.

LET ME EXPLAIN THIS CA EIR WAS STARTED SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND LIKE A LOT OF EIRS FOR COMPLEX PROJECTS LIKE THIS ONE, THEY TAKE A LONG, LONG TIME TO COMPLETE WELL DURING THE, UH, EVOLUTION OF THIS, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT, THE STATE BEGAN EVALUATING A NEW PROCESS FOR EVALUATION OF TRAFFIC IMPACTS AND, UH, THE STATE EMBARKED ON A, UH, THE USE OF A NEW ANALYTICAL TOOL CALLED VMT VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.

NOW, VMT IS NOT REALLY A TRAFFIC ANALYTICAL TOOL.

WHAT VMT IS, IS A GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS ANALYTICAL TOOL.

THE OVERARCHING POLICY OF THE STATE IS NOT SO MUCH NOW FOCUSED ON TRAFFIC AS IT IS IN REDUCING GREENHOUSE GAS EMISSIONS.

SO, UM, AS A RESULT OF THIS EVOLUTION TO VMT, THE STATE DECIDED THAT EFFECTIVE JULY, THE FIRST 2020 VMT WILL BE THE ANIL ANALYTICAL TOOL USED FOR, UH, ANALYZING TRAFFIC.

UM, AND THE, THE STATE ALSO PROVIDED, UM, THROUGH THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND RESEARCH AND INCORPORATED INTO THE SEQUEL GUIDELINES, A PROVISION THAT SAYS IF AN EIR WAS IN PROGRESS.

AND IF THE EIR WAS PUT OUT FOR CIRCULATION BEFORE JULY THE FIRST 2020, AND IF

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THAT EIR USED LEVEL OF AS THE ANALYTICAL TOOL FOR EVALUATING TRAFFIC IMPACTS, THEN THAT EIR MAY BE COMPLETED.

AND, UH, IT CAN BE CERTIFIED WITH THE LOS ANALYTICAL TOOL AS THE DEVICE USE TO MEASURE TRAFFIC IMPACTS.

AND IN THE CASE OF THE RANCHO LAHABRA E R THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS WERE EVALUATED, NOT JUST ONCE, BUT TWICE.

THE EIR WAS CIRCULATED FOR PUBLIC REVIEW WITH THE FIRST TRAFFIC STUDY IN IT USING LOS AS THE ANALYTICAL TOOL, UM, SUBSEQUENTLY THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE AGAIN TO UPDATE IT, THAT PORTION OF THE EIR, ALONG WITH SOME OTHERS THAT INCLUDES, UH, IT INCLUDED BIOLOGY AND A FEW OTHER THINGS.

THE TRAFFIC SECTION OF THE EIR WAS RESEARCH RELATED THAT RESEARCH VIOLATION WAS COMPLETED ALL BEFORE JULY, THE FIRST 2020.

SO THE LAW, THE STATE, INCLUDING THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND RESEARCH, EVERYBODY RECOGNIZES THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE IS THE PROPER ANALYTICAL TOOL FOR THIS PROJECT.

THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.

AND I'D BE PLEASED TO RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE ON THE NEXT TWO TOPICS OF THE FISCAL IMPACT ANALYSIS AND PUBLIC BENEFITS.

I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GARY JONES, WHO'S THE VP OF LAND ACQUISITION, AND HE'S BEEN INTIMATELY INVOLVED IN YOUR FINANCIAL MATTERS AS LIKE, UH, AS IT AFFECTS THIS DEVELOPMENT.

HERE'S GARY, THANK YOU, ANDREW.

UM, I'M A LITTLE DIFFERENT HERE.

I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THE FIELD AND NOT QUOTED IN THE AIR, BUT I AM FILLING IN FOR EXPERTS WHO COULDN'T MAKE IT TONIGHT.

SO BEAR WITH ME, I'M GOING TO GO HIGH LEVEL INSTEAD OF INTO THE DETAILS THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE OTHER CONSULTANTS.

AND FIRST OF ALL, THERE WAS A COMMENT I'D HEARD SEVERAL COMMENTS ON THE PROJECT, DRAINING RESOURCES FROM THE CITY.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UH, FROM RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING, AS I WAS INVOLVED WITH THIS, THE CITY MADE IT VERY CLEAR, ANY PROJECT THAT WE PROPOSED, UM, THEIR STRONG DESIRE TO HAVE A STRONG FISCAL IMPACT AND NOT STRAINING AND RESOURCES.

AND WE TOOK THAT.

UM, AND AS A GOAL OF OURS, AND IN FACT, WE'RE PROUD OF IT.

SO, UM, THAT'S BEEN ANALYZED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE YEARS AS DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS AND DIFFERENT REQUESTS FROM THE CITY HAS HAD, SO THAT NUMBERS HAVE FLUCTUATED SOMEWHAT.

AND THE NUMBERS YOU SEE ON HERE RIGHT NOW ARE THE LAST, UM, ITEMS THAT WERE STUDIED IN THE SUMMER.

AND THAT'S WHEN IT'S INCORPORATED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

SO, UM, THE FISCAL IMPACT STUDY WAS AGAIN, REVIEWED BY MULTIPLE CONSULTANTS, INCLUDING THE CITY'S CONSULTANT NDS AND THE FISCAL IMPACT STUDIES.

THEY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE REVENUES.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE, TO ADDRESS THE COMMENTS, THE EXPENSES FROM THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THAT'S ALL HEAVY ON EVERYBODY'S MIND.

OF COURSE TODAY, UM, GROSS ANNUAL CITY REVENUES ARE ESTIMATED AT $1.17 MILLION.

AND THE CITY EXPENSES ARE ESTIMATED ABOUT $820,000.

AND OF THAT THEY'RE ALLOCATING $380,000 AND FIRE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OF $230,000.

AND THEN VARIOUS CITY SERVICES, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S AROUND $200,000.

AS YOU SEE THE NET INCOME IS OVER $350,000 A YEAR.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE TALK ABOUT.

AS PROUD AS THE LONGTERM LEGACY IS THE BENEFITS OF THE PROJECT.

THE FISCAL BENEFITS, THE CITY FAR OUTWEIGH THE COSTS ON THE REASON WE QUOTE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT THE GROSS REVENUE IS, IS THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FROM A SEEQUA OR THAT'S USED GENERAL FUNDS TOWARD CERTAIN PROJECTS.

SO IN THIS CASE, IT'S UP TO THE CITY MANAGER, THE CITY COUNCIL TO DECIDE WHAT THEY USE THEIR EXPENSES ON.

UM, THERE'S NO NEED TO BUILD A NEW FIRE STATION.

THERE'S NO NEED TO BUILD A NEW POLICE STATION.

THERE'S NO NEED TO ADD ON TO CITY HALL FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, NOBODY'S OVERWHELMED.

SO THE $1.17 MILLION COULD BE USED AT THE DIRECTION OF CITY MANAGER AND THE COUNCIL.

UM, RIGHT NOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE, WHICH WE AGREE WITH IS USE WHAT THE AVERAGE COST IS FOR THE RESIDENTS, FOR THESE SERVICES AND APPLYING IT TO A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE EXPECTED TO LIVE HERE.

AND THAT'S HOW THEY CAME UP WITH THE ALLOCATION OF THE COST.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE VERY PROUD THAT WE'VE GOT POSITIVE FISCAL IMPACT OF $350,000.

UM, I'M HEARING ANOTHER COMMENT AND A QUESTION THAT I'VE HEARD ON SEVERAL CIVIL, THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE.

I THINK, UM, THE QUESTION WAS, IS THIS

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PROJECT PAYING ITS FAIR SHARE OF PUBLIC BENEFITS? AND THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WE'VE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

UM, THERE'S GOTTA BE A REASON WHY THE PUBLIC WOULD WANT THIS AND WHY IT'S BEING PRESENTED RIGHT NOW FOR COLLABORATION AND CONSIDERATION FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL.

UM, WE HEARD EARLY ON THAT THERE WAS A GREAT DEMAND FOR PUBLIC PARK SPACE.

UM, THE GOLF COURSE IS BEING USED BY A VERY NARROW BAND OF, UM, PEOPLE THOUGH THAT LIKES GOLF.

I LIKE GOLF.

UM, MOST OF THE RESIDENTS WHERE I LIVE AND MOST OF THE RESIDENTS LAHABRA ARE NOT GOLFERS.

AND THE THOUGHT WAS, IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE, IT NEEDS TO BE INCLUSIVE FOR MORE FOLKS USE AND NOT CHARGE FOR IT.

SO WE EMBRACE THAT AND SAID, WE'RE GOING TO GO IN ALL IN ON THE PARKS.

THAT'S WHAT WE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, WE WANT PARKS, WE WANT AMENITIES.

WE WANT EXERCISE.

WE WANT TRAILS.

WE KNOW TRAILS IS THE NUMBER ONE REQUEST OF RESIDENTS THROUGHOUT OUR MARKET.

I LIVE IN SAN CLEMENTE THAT PUBLIC TRAIL ON THE BEACHES, UH, BY FAR THE BIGGEST BENEFIT IN SAN KHOMEINI.

AND HERE WE THOUGHT THE SAME THING.

WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAME THING, LIKE JUST HAVE A TRAIL AND THE CURRENT GOLF PASS AND HAVE A FOUR AND A HALF MILES OR 4.2 MILES OF TRAILS THAT GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT, UH, AT THE VIEWS AND ENJOY THE WHOLE SCENERY AND THE WHOLE PARK THAT'S UP THERE.

SO WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THAT.

UM, OUR BENEFITS PACKAGE HAS BEEN ESTIMATED IN THE STAFF REPORT AT OVER $40 MILLION.

SO I'LL GO THROUGH THAT IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT $40 MILLION IS A HEFTY, HEFTY NUMBER.

THAT'S OVER $90,000 PER HOME.

UM, THE BENEFIT PACKAGE IT'S BEEN, LIKE WE SAID, A $40 MILLION.

AND WHAT WE MENTIONED EARLIER IS THERE'S A QUESTION OF, YOU KNOW, WHERE'S WHEREAS ITEMS FOR X OR Y WHERE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO I WANT TO GO THROUGH AND GO THROUGH THAT IN THE NEXT SLIDE AND ADDRESS THAT COMMENT.

UM, AGAIN, WHEN THE, WHEN THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP AS THE PROJECT PAYING ITS FAIR SHARE, I THOUGHT IT MIGHT BE NEITHER'S PROJECT THAT WAS MENTIONED TO US RECENTLY THAT SAID, HEY, WE'RE PAYING $10,000 PER HOME FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHEREAS THIS PROJECT, UH, IT'S A LEGITIMATE QUESTION.

UH, SO IT MADE ME THINK, WHAT WAS THE LAST TWO PROJECTS IN THE CITY OF LABRUM? LET'S DO A COMPARISON AND SEE HOW THIS COMPARES.

UM, SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE IS THE RANCHO LAHABRA GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND THIS ZONE CHANGE, AND TWO OTHER GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENTS AND ZONE CHANGE.

LET'S SEE HOW THEY, UH, WHAT THEIR PROJECT REQUIREMENTS ARE.

AND I THINK IT'S FAIRLY OVERWHELMING HERE.

WE SEE AGAIN, WE WENT ALL IN ON THE PARKS.

UM, WE HAVE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF AMENITIES AT TREMENDOUS COST AND TREMENDOUS DEDICATIONS, AND THAT'S $37 MILLION PER THE CITY STAFF REPORT.

OUR DA FEE IS A MILLION AND A HALF AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS MILLION DOLLARS.

AGAIN, WE THOUGHT A MILLION DOLLARS WAS DOUBLE WHAT WAS DONE BEFORE.

SO WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A NUMBER THAT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE.

UM, IT IS, IT IS THERE.

SO HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO THE OTHER PROJECTS AS YOU SEE WE'RE AT $40 MILLION AND THE OTHER PROJECTS ON HERE WHERE MAYBE A MILLION DOLLARS IN TWO AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO JUST COUNSEL TO CONSIDER? UM, I THINK WHEN I HEAR THE COMMENTS AND IT WAS A FAIR ONE ON THE GOOD ONE WAS, YOU KNOW, REALLY YOU NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT'S THE PER UNIT.

OBVIOUSLY THIS PROJECT HAS MORE HOMES THAN THE CURRENT ONE THAT WAS MENTIONED FAIRLY CLOSE TO 335.

YOU CAN'T SEE THAT ON THE SCREEN THERE.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN MOVE THAT OVER, BUT THE FAIRFIELD SORT OF PLAN WAS 335 HOMES.

SO WHAT I DID WAS JUST PUT UP A NUMBER OF WHAT'S THE CONTRIBUTION PER HOME PER CATEGORY.

AND I THINK THE POINT TO BE MADE IS, IS THAT, UM, AGAIN, WE WENT WITH WHAT WE THOUGHT THAT WE HEARD THAT THERE WAS WHAT THE CITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE FROM OUR INPUT, WHICH WAS GOING HEAVY AND ALL IN ON THE PARTS.

AND WE SAW ALL THE AMENITIES THAT WERE REALLY ON THERE.

I WAS OVER $84,000, UM, PER HOMESITE FOR PARK CONTRIBUTION.

AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT COMPARES TO THE OTHER, OH, WE HAD IMPACT FEES AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING FEES.

SO YES, PER UNIT ON HOME AND AFFORDABLE MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS THE RECENT ZONE CHANGE THAT YOU SEE THERE, BUT THE MAGNITUDE OF $90,000 VERSUS 13 IS SIGNIFICANT IN OUR MIND.

AND IF THE MIX IS OF RIGHT, I THINK ANDREW SAID EARLY ON MONDAY NIGHT, WE'D CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE INPUT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS PROCESS IS FOR, FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS AND SEE DESIRES OF WHAT THEY LIKE.

SO IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE UP THAT $40 MILLION OF BENEFIT, SO THE $90,000 PER HOME, AND THEY'D LIKE TO SEE MORE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT DISCUSSION.

AND I MADE THAT CLEAR WITH STAFF AS WELL AND KIND OF THROUGH IT.

THIS IS OUR SUGGESTION.

UM, AGAIN, CERTAINLY MORE THAN HAPPY TO CHANGE THE ALLOCATION AND DO WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DESIRE OF THE CITY.

SO IN THE END, I KNOW FROM AN ARTS PERSPECTIVE AND MY PERSPECTIVE, UH, WE FEEL THIS IS A ROBUST PACKAGE AND WE'RE REALLY PROUD TO

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PRESENT WHAT BENEFITS WE HAVE AND I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE COMMISSION TO SEE IF WE'RE PLAYING OUR FAIR SHARE.

BUT TO ME AGAIN, WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF WHAT OUR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE.

UH, THE OTHER LAST POINT IS OBVIOUSLY THE CITY MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THEY WANT TO SEE A LARGE PARK.

THEY WANT TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY PAYING FOR IT, AND THEY DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO SEE PAYING FOR IT.

SO THE PARK THAT WE'RE GIVING YOU THE CITY, NONE OF THE CITY RESIDENTS ARE PAYING FOR ANY OF THE AMENITIES IN THIS PACKAGE.

AND THAT'S NOT TRUE EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE CITY.

SO THAT'S A CONCLUSION.

I HOPE YOU AGREE WITH MY THOUGHTS ON THAT, BUT WE WERE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES OUR ROBERTO ARGUMENT.

WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, TO MAKE, UM, INCORPORATE ADDITIONAL CLARIFICATION AND WE'RE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. HAN.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

AND THANKS TO YOUR STAFF FOR A, A GOOD PRESENTATION.

WE'RE VERY APPRECIATIVE.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND WITH THAT, THIS CONCLUDES ALL THE COMMENTS RELATED TO THE PROJECT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL CONSIDER.

AND AT THIS TIME I, UH, OFFICIALLY DECLARE THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED.

AND RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE STAFF HAS GOT SOME, UH, INFORMATION WITH REGARD TO CORRESPONDENCE THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS.

YES, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, ANDREW HO DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO, UH, RESPOND TO SOME OF THE CORRESPONDENCES AND TESTIMONY RECEIVED DURING THE LAST THREE DAYS.

UM, I WILL TURN IT OVER NOW TO LLOYDS ZOLA FROM METIS WHO PREPARED THE EIR, UH, TO ADDRESS, UH, THE COMMISSION AND ON THAT MATTER, TAKEN AWAY.

THANK YOU.

THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAFFIC MITIGATION AND HOW THEY WORK IN HOW TRAFFIC MITIGATION WOULD WORK IN OTHER CITIES OR WOULD WORK ON A CALTRANS FACILITY.

AND YOU DID HEAR THE APPLICANT TALK ABOUT NOT HAVING MONEY RETURNED TO THEM.

WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT FIRST IS THAT THERE ARE A SERIES OF MITIGATION MEASURES FOR TRAFFIC IMPACTS BECAUSE WE DID ADDRESS TRAFFIC IN THE EIR.

THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES CAN BE FOUND IN THE RESEARCH RELATED DRAFT EIR AND CHAPTER EIGHT, THE MITIGATION MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM STARTING ON PAGE EIGHT DASH 13.

AND THAT SHOWS THE VARIOUS FAIR SHARE PAYMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO MAKE.

AND THE INTERSECTIONS AND IMPROVEMENTS FOR WHICH THOSE FAIR SHERIFFS WOULD BE PROVIDED.

THERE WAS ALSO A LETTER, UH, THAT CAME IN A FEW DAYS AGO FROM THE CITY OF BUENO PARK, ASKING FOR A COORDINATION WITH THE CITY REGARDING DETERMINATION OF FAIR SHARE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND PERCENTAGES OF UPON WHICH THE FAIR SHARE WOULD BE BASED.

UH, THOSE ARE NOT PUT IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT ITSELF, AND THAT HAS BEEN THE STANDARD PRACTICE THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOR AT LEAST 10 YEARS.

NOW, THE REASON THAT THE FAIR SHARE PERCENTAGES AND DOLLAR AMOUNTS ARE FIXED AT THE TIME, THE FEES ARE TO BE PAID IS BACK MORE THAN 10 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY USED TO BE PUT IN THE EIRS.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT ONE, THE LAG TIME BETWEEN DOING THAT ANALYSIS AND THE TIME OF THE EIR ACTUALLY BEING CERTIFIED, THEN IT'S A YEAR TO TWO YEAR TO FIVE YEARS LATER THAT THE MITIGATION IS ACTUALLY PROVIDED.

AND WHAT CITIES THROUGHOUT THE STATE FOUND IS THAT THE MITIGATION NUMBERS IN THE EIRS WERE SHOWING UP WITH SHORTFALLS AND THE NUMBERS THAT WERE PREDICTED WERE COMING UP SHORT.

SO THAT IS WHY, UM, THE MITIGATION MEASURES BASED ON A PERFORMANCE STANDARD, WHICH IS THE PAYMENT OF THE FAIR SHARE WITH THE FEE TO BE FIXED AT THE TIME THAT, UM, THE FEES ARE TO BE PAID BASED ON ENGINEERING DESIGN OF THE IMPROVEMENTS.

AT THE TIME, THERE WERE ALSO COMMENTS REGARDING, UM, CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE THAT RANGED FROM, UM, THERE, UH, RECITATION OR A REMINDER OF THEIR JANUARY LETTER, WHERE THEY RAISED A SERIES OF CONCERNS ON THE DRAFT EIR AND ITS MITIGATION PROGRAM TO, UM, COMMENTS MADE EARLIER IN THE APPLICANT'S REBUTTAL.

UM, WHAT I DO WANNA POINT OUT IS THAT IN THE, UM, IN YOUR RECORD, THERE IS AN AUGUST 19TH EMAIL FROM JESSE LANE OF THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE THAT CONCURS WITH THE MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN THE FINAL EIR.

AND THAT IS THE WORDING USED IN HER LETTER.

UM, AND SO THAT THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES CAN BE FOUND IN CHAPTER EIGHT OF THE RESEARCH RELATED DRAFT EIR.

UM, ONE ISSUE THAT HAD BEEN RAISED BY CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT

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OF FISH AND WILDLIFE THAT IS ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE FINAL EIR IS THE, UM, TRAIL LOCATION IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.

UH, GOING BACK TO MONDAY NIGHT, THE APPLICANT SHOWED A DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THAT INCLUDED THE TRAIL GOING ALONG THE CURRENT GOLF CART PATH AROUND THE EXTERIOR BOUNDARY OF THE, UM, UH, THE, UH, CONSERVATION AREA IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, UM, BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE.

AND IN ORDER TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL IMPACTS OF TRAIL USERS ON WILDLIFE WITHIN THAT CONSERVATION AREA, THE TRAIL LOCATION SHOULD BE ALONG THE WESTERN OR THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE, UH, CONSERVATION AREA, ESSENTIALLY ALONG THE BOUNDARY BETWEEN THE CONSERVATION AREA AND THE DEVELOPMENT PORTION OF THE SITE THAT WILL REDUCE, UH, POTENTIAL IMPACTS FROM, UH, TRAIL USERS ON WILDLIFE.

IN THAT, UH, IN, WITHIN THE CONSERVATION AREA, THERE ALSO WAS A LETTER REGARDING MITIGATION MEASURES SUBMITTED, UM, BY, UH, JONATHAN SHARDLOW WHO SPOKE, I BELIEVE IT WAS MONDAY NIGHT.

HE REFERRED TO A LETTER THAT, UH, LETTER B RAISES ISSUES REGARDING PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AND MITIGATION MEASURES.

AND HAVING REVIEWED THAT, UH, LETTER ALONG WITH, UH, ACTING COUNSEL, AS WELL AS SECRET COUNSEL, WE ALL AGREE THAT THE MITIGATION MEASURES SET FORTH IN THE EIR DOING FACT CONTAIN APPROPRIATE, UH, PERFORMANCE STANDARDS.

AND THE ONLY PLACES THAT, UM, THE, THE PHRASE IS WHERE FEASIBLE ARE, UH, USED, WHICH WAS ONE OF THE ISSUES ARE APPROPRIATE USES OF THAT.

THE CITY DETERMINES WHAT IS FEASIBLE AND THERE IS ADEQUATE INFORMATION PROVIDED IN THOSE MITIGATION MEASURES TO ADDRESS THESE ABILITY.

THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS ABOUT, UM, SOIL MANAGEMENT AND CONTAMINATION ON THE SITE THAT WERE ADDRESSED A LOT IN PUBLIC COMMENTS AND BRIEFLY IN THE APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION.

AND I WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND ON THE, THE SITUATION, THE DRAFT EIR, OR STARTING ON PAGE THREE DASH 12, THREE POINT 12 DASH 23, ADDRESSES THE ISSUE OF, UH, SITE CONTAMINATION, UH, WHEN THE ORIGINAL LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN WAS BUILT, AND THE GOLF COURSE WAS BUILT.

THERE WERE APPROXIMATELY 426,000 CUBIC YARDS OF CONTAMINATED SOILS REQUIRING REMEDIATION WITHIN THE ORIGINAL LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN.

THE REMEDIATION THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE REGIONAL WATER QUALITY CONTROL BOARD AND THE ORANGE COUNTY HEALTH AGENCY, AS PART OF THAT, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF THE GOLF COURSE AND LA HARBOR HILLS INVOLVED BURYING THAT, UM, THAT CONTAMINATED SOIL, WHICH IS CONTAMINATED WITH PETROLEUM, UH, PRIMARILY CRUDE OIL, BUT BEARING THAT WITHIN THE SITE AND THEN CONSTRUCTING A, UM, A CLEAN CAP OVER THAT AREA.

IT IS BURIED WITHIN THREE AREAS WITHIN THE EXISTING GOLF COURSE, THE DEPTH AT WHICH THOSE SOILS WERE BURIED.

AND THE REASON THEY WERE BURIED IS TO PREVENT HUMAN CONTACT WITH THE CONTAMINATED SOIL.

THAT IS A, UM, STANDARD METHOD OF ADDRESSING, UH, DEALING WITH RE REMEDIATION OF, UM, SOIL CONTAMINATION WITH PETROLEUM PRODUCT AND OR CRUDE OIL AND THE HEAVY PETROLEUM THAT IT WAS CONTAMINATED WITH THE DEPTH AT WHICH THE, UH, CONTAMINATED SOILS WERE BURIED, WAS ADEQUATE TO PREVENT, UH, HUMAN CONTACT FOR A GOLF COURSE.

IT WAS NOT AN ADEQUATE DEPTH TO ALLOW FOR, UM, CONSTRUCTION OF RESIDENTIAL ABOVE, ABOVE THE, UH, UH, BURIED, UH, CONTAMINATED SOIL.

SO WHAT THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING IS TO ESSENTIALLY NOT ESSENTIALLY IS TO DIG UP THE CONTAMINATED SOIL, REBURY IT AT A DEPTH APPROPRIATE FOR A RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALL DESCRIBED IN THE, UH, THEIR PLAN IS DESCRIBED IN THE, UM, PROJECT DESCRIPTION IN THE RESEARCH RELATED DRAFT EIR.

AND THE IMPACTS, UM, ARE ALSO ADDRESSED IN THE DRAFT EIR, STARTING ON PAGE THREE, 12 DASH 23, UH, FIGURES, EIR FIGURES RECIRCULATE, A DRAFT EIR FIGURES, TWO DASH 25, OR ON PAGE

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TWO DASH 25.

THERE ARE, UH, IS THAT DESCRIPTION, THERE ARE TWO FIGURES, TWO DASH SIX AND TWO DASH SEVEN IN THE RESEARCH RELATED DRAFT THAT SHOW THE CURRENT LOCATION OF THE SOILS, WHERE THEY ARE BURIED AND WHERE THEY WILL BE REMARRIED, UH, FIGURES TWO, SIX, AND TWO SEVEN, THE BASIC METHODS THAT WILL BE USED TO ADDRESS, UH, SAFETY OF DIGGING THEM UP AND REBURY.

ALL OF THOSE ARE CONTAINED IN AN APPROVED SOIL MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT IS CONTAINED IN APPENDIX M AS IN MAN OF THE DRAFT EIR.

WHEN I SAY APPROVED THE REGULATORY AUTHORITY FOR MANAGING THOSE SOILS RESTS WITH THE ORANGE COUNTY HEALTH AGENCY.

AND SO YOU WILL SEE THE, UH, REGULATORY, UH, PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE ORANGE COUNTY HEALTH AGENCY IN APPENDIX M IT IS CONSISTS OF A SOIL MANAGEMENT PLAN AND AN ADDENDUM TO THAT PLAN.

UH, WHAT WE FOUND IN DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT WAS ALTHOUGH THERE IS THAT LIST OF, UM, METHODS THAT WILL BE USED TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC.

UM, AND THOSE METHODS ARE SUMMARIZED IN THE FINAL EIR, UH, VOLUME THREE OF THE FINAL EIR, UM, IN RESPONSE TO MASTER COMMENT NUMBER 11.

UM, BUT WHAT WE DID NOT FIND WAS EVIDENCE THAT A HEALTH RISK ASSESSMENT HAD BEEN PREPARED.

SO EVEN THOUGH THERE IS AN APPROVED PLAN, THERE IS A MITIGATION MEASURE, UM, IN THE HAZARDS AND HAZARDOUS MATERIALS SECTION REQUIRING CONFIRMATION THAT THE METHODOLOGY, UM, APPROVED BY THE ORANGE COUNTY HEALTH AGENCY WOULD NOT, UM, ADDRESS OR NOT CREATE A SIGNIFICANT HEALTH RISK.

AND ONLY AFTER, UM, IT IS DEMONSTRATED THAT THE HEALTH RISK WOULD NOT BE SIGNIFICANT WITH THE CITY ISSUE BUILDING PERMIT OR ISSUE A GRADING PERMIT.

SO THE SOILS WOULD BE, ARE NOW BURIED BENEATH THE SURFACE, UH, BENEATH THE GROUND SURFACE TO PREVENT HUMAN CONTACT.

THERE WOULD BE HUMAN CONTACT DURING THE TIME THAT THE SOILS ARE DUG UP BEFORE THEY ARE RE BURIED, BUT THE APPROVED PLAN BY THE ORANGE COUNTY HEALTH AUTHORITY, UH, IS DESIGNED TO PREVENT HUMAN CONTACT WITH THOSE CONTAMINATED SOILS.

THE LAST ISSUE I WANTED TO DISCUSS TONIGHT WAS GEO-TECHNICAL AND SLOPE STABILITY.

UM, THERE IS, THERE WAS A LETTER SUBMITTED THAT WAS REFERRED TO, I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST NIGHT FROM THE FIRM OF COTTON SHIRES.

UM, THAT IS, UH, PART OF THE FINAL EIR.

AND IT IS PRESENTED, UH, JUST BEFORE PAGE TWO DASH 55 AND VOLUME THREE OF THE FINAL EIR.

UM, THEY DID AN AND THAT COTTON SHIRES LETTER CORRECTLY POINTED OUT THAT THERE WOULD BE AN ISSUE DURING GRADING, UM, BECAUSE THERE IS AN, UH, AN OLD LANDSLIDE ON THE EXISTING SLOPE THAT HAS A KEY BUTTRESS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SLOPE TO KEEP THE SLOPE STABLE.

THAT KEY BUTTRESS WOULD BE REMOVED DURING, UM, SITE GRADING.

AND SO THE ISSUE IS NOW IS ADDRESSED IN THE FINAL EIR.

THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL MITIGATION MEASURE, UH, REQUIRING, UH, SETTING REQUIREMENTS FOR GRADING AND STABILITY MAKE TO ENSURE STABILITY OF THE SLOPE.

WHEN THAT KEY BUTTRESS IS REMOVED, THAT A MITIGATION MEASURE IS INCLUDED IN THE, UH, MITIGATION MONITORING PLAN, UM, AS MITIGATION MEASURE, G O G O DASH 1.4 B AS IN BOY.

AND THAT WOULD CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS UNLESS THE ATTORNEYS HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD.

THANK YOU.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY, UH, ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM EITHER STAFF OR, UH, COUNCIL? NO.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THIS IS ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THAT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE.

AND, UH, WE FINALLY REACHED MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT LONG AWAY TO TIME WHERE WE SHALL BEGIN TO DELIBERATE AND SHARE OUR THOUGHTS ON ALL OF THE VARIOUS LAND USE ENTITLEMENTS, UH, AND SYNTHESIZE ALL THE INFORMATION WE'VE ABSORBED THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENTS AND TESTIMONY OVER THE LAST THREE DAYS.

AND WITH THAT IN MIND, I'M GOING TO KICK IT OFF.

I WANT TO SAY THAT ONE QUICK COMMENT WITH REGARD TO MR. HAN'S STATEMENT ABOUT COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY, WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

I THINK THE POINT I WANT TO MAKE VERY BRIEFLY IS THAT ANYTIME AN APPLICANT MAKES ANY KIND OF AN APPLICATION WITH THE CITY IT'S BY DEFINITION, A COLLABORATIVE

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ARRANGEMENT, UH, THE CITY IS ABSOLUTELY REQUIRED TO PROCESS THESE APPLICATIONS IN AN EXPEDITIOUS AND IN A VERY DELIBERATE WAY.

SO THE TIMING IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS SUBJECTIVE.

I KNOW SOME FOLKS SAID, WELL, WHY ARE WE RUSHING THIS? OR OTHERS MIGHT FEEL, WHY DID THEY DELAY IT? AND WHAT IS IT WITH THE TIMING? THE TIMING IS EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.

THE CITY DOES THE BEST IT CAN AND THE TIME ALLOTTED, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE APPLICANT FEEL LIKE THERE'S ANY OBSTRUCTION OR ANY DELAY.

THAT'S NOT ABSOLUTELY RATIONAL AND WELL EXPLAINED.

AND ON THE OTHER HAND, WE WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO REALIZE THAT THERE IS A PROCESS THAT HAS TO BE FOLLOWED, AND THEN THERE'S MAJOR CONSEQUENCES.

IF THOSE PROCESSES ARE NOT FOLLOWED TO THE INTEGRATOR.

SO THERE'S THAT ONE FINAL THING TO ABOUT CITY PRIDE.

I WANT TO SAY THIS IS VERY BRIEFLY ABOUT THE FOLKS THAT, THAT SPOKE THE PASSION, THE DEPTH AND BREADTH OF EMOTION THAT THEY EXPRESSED IN THEIR COMMENTS.

YOU KNOW, WE DO CALL IT A KAREN COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS REMARKABLE IN THIS KIND OF A VENUE.

WHEN YOU ACTUALLY HEAR FOLKS TALK ABOUT THE WAY THEY FEEL ABOUT THEIR CITY FOR SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE, THIS, THE PLACE WHERE THEY LIVE IS SIMPLY THE PLACE WHERE THEY LIVE.

AND IT'S SO CLEAR TO ME AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYBODY THAT LAHABRA DOES MEAN SOMETHING FAR MORE SIGNIFICANT TO THEM.

THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PRIDE OUT THERE.

THEY REALLY, THE STAKEHOLDERS CAPE TRUE OWNERSHIP OF THE CITY AND THEY, AND IT CONCERNS THEM GREATLY WHEN THERE'S ANY POTENTIAL TRANSFORMATION LIKE THIS, UH, AT STAKE.

SO I WANT TO THANK THEM AND TELL THEM THAT I WAS MOVED BY AGAIN, THAT, THAT RAW EMOTION AND THAT PASSION.

SO NOW LET ME SAY JUST A, A COUPLE POSITIVE THINGS ABOUT THE RANCHO HARBOR PROPOSAL, YOU KNOW, OVERALL, I FEEL THIS IS A BEAUTIFULLY DESIGNED PROJECT.

UH, THE HOMES THEMSELVES ARE VERY ATTRACTIVE.

UH, I LIKE VERY MUCH HOW EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAS ITS OWN POOL AND AMENITIES.

UH, I PERSONALLY FEEL THAT THE DEDICATIONS OF LAND TO THE CITY FOR THE PARK AREA AND THE COMMUNITY CENTER, AND, UH, ALL THE OTHER FEATURES PROVIDE A HIGH DEGREE OF VALUE.

UH, AS IT WAS MENTIONED, A VALUE CAN BE ESTIMATED AS HIGH AS $40 MILLION.

NOBODY CAN ARGUE THAT THIS ASPECT WOULDN'T BE A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT FOR THE WHOLE CITY.

UH, AND FINALLY I LIKE HOW THE PROJECT IS VERY PROPORTIONAL WITHIN THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC PLAN.

THAT'S A GOOD THING, BUT WE ALSO NEED TO TALK ABOUT PROPORTIONALITY WITHIN THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA ITSELF AND NOT JUST THE BENEFITS ENJOYED BY THE ROUGHLY 1300 NEW RESIDENTS, BUT THE IMPACTS MADE ON THE OTHER 62,000 FOLKS WHO LIVE IN LA HABRA.

UH, WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS THE PERMANENT LOSS OF ABOUT 64 ACRES OF CURRENTLY ZONED LAND FOR OPEN SPACE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THE GOLF COURSE IS PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT THAT NONETHELESS IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

ALL 150 ACRES ARE THEORETICALLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT AROUND 30% OF THE OPEN SPACE WILL BE PRESERVED, BUT WE ARE STILL BEING ASKED TO PERMANENTLY TRANSFORM MOST OF THE OPEN STATE OPEN SPACE TO RESIDENTIAL.

SO AS THE ER NOTES, THE NEW DOMINANT AESTHETIC OF THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL BE HOUSING.

AND THAT IS A HUGE STEP.

AND THERE ARE COMPLICATED ISSUES.

THERE'S NOTHING BLACK OR WHITE ABOUT THIS PROJECT AT ALL.

IT'S ALL KIND OF SHADES OF GRAY.

I DON'T PERSONALLY FEEL THAT ALL OPEN SPACE IS SACROSANCT AND THAT NO CHANGES CAN EVER BE MADE.

BUT THE HUGE, HUGE CHALLENGE HERE BEFORE THIS COMMISSION IS TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME IN THIS PLACE IS, AND THIS IS A PLANNING TERM, THE HIGHEST BEST USE OF THIS PROPERTY.

SO WE TAKE A LOOK BRIEFLY AT THE IMPACTS AND PART INTO THE REST OF THE CITY.

WE KNOW THAT WITH THIS PROJECT, A COUPLE OF THINGS, A WE KNOW WE'RE NOT CONFORMING TO THE GOALS PRESENTED IN THE NEW GENERAL PLAN B.

WE KNOW THE PROJECT CONFLICTS WITH AQM D STANDARDS FOR GREENHOUSE GAS, EMISSIONS C WE KNOW THE PROJECT CONFLICTS WITH THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS, SCHOOLS, AND POLICIES.

WE KNOW THAT THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND WILDLIFE HAS NOT YET ENTERED INTO COMPLETE AGREEMENTS WITH THE APPLICANT OVER BIOLOGICAL IMPACTS.

AND THEN FINALLY, WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, AND THAT IS OVERWHELMINGLY THE TRAFFIC SITUATION.

IF YOU COULD PICK THIS WHOLE PROJECT UP AND PUT IT SOMEPLACE ELSE, ESPECIALLY IF IT WAS ALREADY ZONED R ONE, IT WOULD LOOK A LOT BETTER DOING A COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

INSTEAD, WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WILL IN FACT, ADD 4,347 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY TO AN AREA ALREADY SATURATED WITH TRAFFIC.

THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY SINCE MANY OF THE MITIGATION MEASURES WILL BE COMPLETELY INSUFFICIENT.

AND IT'S ONE THING TO IMPOSE FIVE TO SIX YEARS WITH CONSTRUCTION BURDENS ON THOSE WHO LIVE AND WORK IN THE AREA.

BUT AFTER THAT, THE TRAFFIC WAS GUARANTEED TO ONLY GET WORSE.

IT'S KIND OF AN OLD FASHIONED PROJECT AND A SENSE HERE AND THAT THE NEW POPULATION WILL BE DRIVING THEIR OWN CARS.

THERE'S NO TRANSPORTATION NODE OR MASS TRANSIT SOLUTION THAT WILL EVER LIKELY BRING THOSE TRAFFIC IMPACTS DOWN.

AND OVERALL, I WISH THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER

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SCOPING ON THIS PROJECT.

SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES SUCH AS EVEN THE NINE HOLE GOLF COURSE AND A SMALLER NUMBER OF HOMES COULD HAVE BROUGHT TRAFFIC IMPACTS TO BENEATH THESE CRITICAL THRESHOLDS, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

INSTEAD, WHAT WE HAVE IS THE CHALLENGE OF BALANCING AND WEIGHING THE MULTIPLE BENEFITS AND MULTIPLE NEGATIVE IMPACTS.

THIS PROJECT WOULD CREATE.

IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.

I DID NOT PREJUDGE THIS PROPOSAL.

I HAVE LISTENED CAREFULLY AS HAVE ALL MY COLLEAGUES TO ALL THE REPORTS AND COMMENTS.

SO NOW I COME BACK TO WHAT I SAID, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED DOES THIS PROJECT AT THIS TIME, AT THIS SIZE, AT THIS PLACE REPRESENT THE HIGHEST BEST USE OF THIS LAND.

AND TO THAT, MY ANSWER IS NO COMMISSIONER BERNAY PLEASE.

GOOD EVENING.

UM, I'M GOING TO YIELD AND WAIT UNTIL THE END.

I DEFINITELY FEEL I'VE SAID A LOT, UM, DURING THIS TESTIMONY.

SO I HAND MY BACK MY, UH, UM, COMMENTS BACK OVER TO YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THANK YOU.

WELL, I WOULD SAY, IS THAT TOO MUCH, UH, COMMISSIONER BERNAY, BUT, UH, IF YOU, IF YOU SAID WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY, THEN THAT'S FINE.

WE WILL PROCEED TO COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

UM, I THINK, UH, CHAIRMAN SARAH ANN SAID A LOT OF GOOD POINTS ON THE PROJECT ITSELF.

UM, AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, I'M DEFINITELY VERY, UM, I APPLAUD THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT, VOICING THEIR OPINION.

UM, IT REALLY GOES TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, HOW WE ARE A CARING COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO WE VALUE CERTAIN THINGS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

THREE THINGS THAT I DEFINITELY SAW WERE DENSITY, OPEN SPACE AND OVERALL AFFORDABILITY.

AND IN LOOKING AT THOSE THREE THINGS, AS FAR AS ISSUES AND LOOKING AT HOW THE PROJECT HAS PROPOSED BASED OFF OF NOW AND HOW IT RELATES TO OUR EXISTING CONDITIONS AND, UM, LOOKING AT THAT PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL IT'S A GOOD BALANCE AND HAVING THOSE THREE AS OF RIGHT NOW, UM, JUST LIKE A CHAIRMAN SAID, I WISH THAT THE DEVELOPER WOULD HAVE LOOKED AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND KIND OF HAVING THAT APPROPRIATE BALANCE IN BOTH DENSITY, OPEN SPACE AND AFFORDABILITY.

UM, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE ARE MANY FACTORS IN THERE, YOU KNOW, UH, BEACH BOULEVARD IS A STATE ROUTE, YOU KNOW, IT IS CONGESTED.

YES.

UH, NONETHELESS, UM, IT IS A MAJOR CORRIDOR IN WHICH CAN DEFINITELY SUPPORT HIGHER DENSITY, UM, WITHIN THAT CORRIDOR ITSELF.

SO I'M LOOKING AT DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES IN WHICH HAVING THAT BALANCE AND HAVING OPEN SPACE AFFORDABILITY WITHIN THE PROJECT ITSELF.

AND THEN ALSO STILL, UM, HAVING SOME TYPE OF DENSITY, UH, THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO CHANGE.

UH, WE'RE DEFINITELY GONNA SEE MORE CHANGE IN THE COMING YEARS, ESPECIALLY WITH UPCOMING HOUSING ELEMENT, WHICH IS A GREAT TIME THAT I, I TELL THE COMMUNITY AND STAKEHOLDERS AND THE RESIDENTS TO REALLY VOICE YOUR OPINION, TO DICTATE HOW WE WANT TO GROW, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WHEREVER WE WANT ADDITIONAL DENSITIES IT'S IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY THE STATE LEGISLATION IS COMING DOWN WITH FAR MORE INFORMATION AND MORE BILLS THAT AT ONE POINT WE MIGHT NOT HAVE AS MUCH CONTROL AS WE WANT.

SO I DEFINITELY URGE EVERYONE TO BE PART OF THAT PROCESS BECAUSE WE ARE LOOKING AT AN ADDITIONAL 800 UNITS OVERALL.

SO AS OF RIGHT NOW, BASED OFF OF THE WAY THAT THE PROJECT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED, UM, I WOULD VOTE NO ON THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER MUNOZ, VICE CHAIR, MAN, LIKE PLEASE.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

UM, I THINK THAT WHAT I AGREE WITH THE MOST THAT YOU SAID SHARON WAS THE FACT THAT THIS IS, UH, CERTAINLY NOT BLACK AND WHITE.

UM, I THINK I CAN SPEAK FOR STAFF, THE REST OF THE COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY.

IT'S BEEN A LONG THREE DAYS.

UH, IT'S BEEN A LONG, UM, SEVERAL YEARS, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AND IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT.

AND I KNOW, I KNOW CERTAINLY IT'S BEEN A LONG THREE YEARS FOR, UH, FOR CITY STAFF AS WELL.

UM, I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

HOWEVER, MY SUPPORT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, UH, MAY BE DEPENDENT ON SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN, WHICH I'LL DISCUSS SHORTLY.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD AT LENGTH ABOUT HOW GOLF PLAY IS DOWN NATIONWIDE AND GOLF COURSES ARE STRUGGLING OR CLOSING AS A RESULT.

AND

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MOST OF THIS HEARING, YOU KNOW, TO ME, DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS CENTERED ON THE CLOSING OF THE GOLF COURSE, AS MUCH AS IT WAS CENTERED ON THE REZONING OF OPEN SPACE AND OTHER CONCERNS, UM, WITH THE DEVELOPMENT, IN ADDITION TO GOLF PLAY, BEING DOWN.

I THINK SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE IS THAT A HOUSING CRISIS EXISTS, UH, ESPECIALLY IN CALIFORNIA AND A PROJECT LIKE, UH, THE ONE BEING PROPOSED WOULD HELP ADDRESS THE CRISIS AND ALSO, UM, HELP THE CITY TRY TO MEET ITS REGIONAL HOUSING OBLIGATIONS FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, RIGHT, AS A COMMISSION, JUST APPROACHING THIS FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE.

UM, I BELIEVE THIS PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH ELEMENTS OF THE GENERAL PLAN.

UM, I BELIEVE THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST INTEGRAL PARTS OF, UH, OUR ROLE AS A COMMISSION.

THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, WOULD NOT CREATE ANY DISJOINTED LAND USE PATTERNS AS THE EXISTING WESTRIDGE, UH, RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY WOULD BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE SOUTH OF THE PROPOSED RANCHO HARBOR RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY.

THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT AND PROJECTS WOULD ALSO RESULT IN THE CITY ACHIEVING ITS GOAL, UM, OF PROVIDING TWO AND A HALF ACRES OF PUBLIC PARK FOR 1000 RESIDENTS.

CURRENTLY, THE CITY DOES NOT REACH THAT GOAL AND HAS NO PLANS PREPARED TO DO SO.

THIS PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD EXCEED THAT GOAL.

NOW, IF APPROVED, WE KNOW THAT THE PROJECT WOULD GENERATE COMMUNITY BENEFITS TOTALLY IN OVER $40 MILLION FOR UP TO $40 MILLION.

AND WE COULD DISCUSS THE CFD AS WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIALLY ALREADY AND HOW THOSE BENEFITS WOULD BE FUNDED, BUT ULTIMATELY THE FORMATION OF THE PROPOSED CFD.

ISN'T SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE'RE HERE TO RECOMMEND OR NOT RECOMMEND WITH THE PROJECT TONIGHT.

NOW WE'VE HEARD A LOT OF OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.

UM, AND WE'VE ALSO RECEIVED SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.

ONE THING TO NOTE, I THINK AS COMMISSIONER BERNIE AIR, UH, DILIGENTLY ADDRESSED ON MONDAY EVENING, THERE HAS BEEN SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT FROM RESIDENTS OUTSIDE OF THE LIBRARY COMMUNITY AND ON FORM LETTERS.

UH, HOWEVER, JUST TODAY WE RECEIVED SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT FROM RESIDENTS OF LAHABRA HEIGHTS, WHITTIER AND SURROUNDING CITIES.

SO I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN SUPPORT AND LACK OF SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, UM, FROM BOTH WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND OUTSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY.

OKAY.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, FOR THE RECORD TODAY, THE COMMISSION RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM CITY STAFF CITING, UM, EMAILS AND OPPOSITION TO THE PROJECT WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT WERE EMAILS, UH, IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT.

LIKE ONE OF THOSE EMAILS, UH, CAME FROM, UH, DAVID ROSS, WHO I THINK MARIE LABIANCA MENTIONED EARLIER THIS EVENING, HIS LETTER, UH, AND HE'S A RESIDENT OF THE WEST RIDGE COMMUNITY AND, UM, HIS SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAD SOME REALLY INTERESTING NOTES IN IT ABOUT HOW THE PROCESS HAS, HAS RAN FROM HIS POINT OF VIEW, UM, AS A RESIDENT THERE IN THE CAMPUS IMMUNITY.

UM, SO I JUST, I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO CONSIDER.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE HEARD MANY CONCERNS FROM THE COMMUNITY ON BOTH SIDES.

ONE CONCERN, YOU KNOW, HAS BEEN AT THIS WOULD BE A SHORT TERM SOLUTION TO A LONGTERM PROBLEM FOR THE CITY.

UM, IN MANY WAYS I WOULD RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE.

WE HEARD FROM PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO LOVE OUR CITY AND THAT'S ADMIRABLE.

MANY OF THESE PEOPLE TALKED ABOUT THEIR CHILDREN GROWING UP HERE IN THE COMMUNITY.

I HAVE SEVERAL CHILDREN, MYSELF RAISING THEM HERE IN THE CITY, SO I CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THOSE SENTIMENTS OR, YOU KNOW, WE HAD PEOPLE DISCUSS HOW THEY THEMSELVES WERE BORN HERE, UH, HAVE LIVED HERE FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS.

WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THOUGH THAT THESE CHILDREN THAT WE'RE REFERRING TO IN MANY CASES, UH, WHEN THEY GROW UP AND WHEN THEY HAVE DESIRES TO STAY HERE AND THEIR BELOVED LAHABRA COMMUNITY, AS THEY GROW AND THEY BEGIN THE FAMILIES OF THEIR OWN, WHERE DO THEY GO? THIS PROJECT WOULD CREATE 125 MULTIFAMILY DWELLINGS WITH A PRICE POINT AROUND $609,000.

HE'S 125 RESIDENCES RANGE IN SIZE FROM 1600 SQUARE FEET TO A LITTLE OVER 2000 SQUARE FEET.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMISSION TO NOTE, UM, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY RESIDENCES THERE ARE IN THE HARBOR THAT OUR FIRST SALE TODAY THAT ARE OVER 1600 SQUARE FEET AND UNDER $650,000 TO DO YOU KNOW WHY? OF COURSE YOU DO.

WE HAVE A HOUSING CRISIS NOW, A HOUSEHOLD MAKING $80,000

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ROUGHLY COULD PROBABLY QUALIFY TO PURCHASE ONE OF THOSE HOMES.

SO ON SOME SCALE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LUXURIOUS HOMES.

SURE.

THERE'S HOMES IN THE DEVELOPMENT VALUED AT UPWARDS OF A MILLION DOLLARS, BUT THERE'S MANY THAT ARE QUITE AFFORDABLE.

ACCORDING TO THE US CENSUS, THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME IN THE HOMBRE FROM 2014 TO 18 WAS ABOUT $76,000.

SOMEBODY LIKE THAT, MAYBE LIVING IN THE COMMUNITY AS A POLICE OFFICER, A FIREFIGHTER, A TEACHER WITH A HOUSEHOLD INCOME AROUND $80,000 WOULD BE ABLE TO AFFORD A RESIDENCE SUCH AS THOSE IN RANCHO LA, BRUH.

MEANWHILE, AT THIS TIME THAT DOESN'T EXIST AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM.

NOW, ACCORDING TO THE ERR, THE PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 4,000, UH, ADDITIONAL VEHICLE TRIPS DURING AM AND PM PEAK HOURS MORE THAN THE GOLF COURSE WOULD AT A GLANCE.

AND I THINK FRANKLY, WITHOUT MUCH CONTEXT, UH, THAT NUMBER COULD SEEM HIGH, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THAT REPRESENTS AN INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY THREE TO 4% AT VARIOUS INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THE CITY.

ACCORDING TO ESTIMATES, YOU KNOW, BY THE CALIFORNIA DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE CALIFORNIA'S POPULATION GREW BY 7.3% FROM 2010 TO 2019.

TO ME, IT SEEMS NATURAL THAT AS GROWS, TRAFFIC'S GOING TO INCREASE.

IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT FRANKLY ANYBODY IS APPRECIATIVE OF OR ENJOYS.

BUT I THINK TO LOOK AT OUR COMMUNITY, THAT WE CONSIDER A CARING COMMUNITY, A COMMUNITY THAT WE LOVE AND A COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE HAPPY TO BE A PART OF.

AND WE'VE BEEN A PART OF FOR SO MANY YEARS, AND TO LOOK AT THAT COMMUNITY AS A COMMUNITY THAT'S GROWING, AND THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL THING.

AND WITH SOME GROWTH, YOU KNOW, MAY COME, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC, UM, THREE TO 4% TO ME CONTEXTUALLY, I THINK THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT WOULD RESULT, YOU KNOW, AS WE KNOW, AND THE DEDICATION OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT WOULD BE RENOVATED BY THE DEVELOPER.

UM, AND THAT WOULD BE FOR PUBLIC USE.

IT WOULD PROVIDE ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS IN FUNDING FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO USE FOR COMMUNITY PROGRAMS AND PROJECTS AND NEEDS.

AND WE PROVIDE A MILLION DOLLARS TO BE USED IN SUPPORT FOR FUTURE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IN THE COMMUNITY.

BUT HERE'S WHERE I THINK I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME MODIFICATIONS TO THE PLAN, UM, AS ATTRACTIVE AS MAYBE THOSE COMMUNITY BENEFITS WOULD BE.

I THINK IT'S, IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN STATED.

UM, AND I THINK EVEN FELLOW COMMISSIONERS HAVE, UM, MAYBE VOICE, UH, SOME AGREEMENT TO THIS.

I THINK THE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, UM, IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROVIDED, UM, ARE NOT SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH.

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THE DEVELOPED UNITS IN THE PROJECT TO BE A MIX OF SMALLER UNITS AND AT A LOWER PRICE POINT.

AND I THINK I'VE MADE THAT POINT VERY CLEAR THAT THERE'S FAMILIES LIVING IN OUR COMMUNITY, LIVING IN SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES WHO DESIRE TO BE A PART OF LAHABRA.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A LOT OF RESIDENTS IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT WHO KNOWS SOMEBODY WHO WOULD LOVE TO LIVE HERE.

THERE'S NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO.

AND SO WE JUST CONSIDER OURSELVES FORTUNATE BECAUSE THE TIMING WAS BETTER FOR US.

AND AS A CITY, LIKE LAHABRA STRIVES TO PLAN AND BUILD AND GROW AND DEVELOP INTO THE FUTURE.

UM, I THINK THAT CRISIS IS REAL AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE.

SO I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE POSSIBILITY OF A MODIFICATION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT TO INCLUDE MORE OF SUCH UNITS, UM, AND WOULD CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO ANY OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU CHAIR.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIRMAN LEE, VERY MUCH FOR THAT.

AND I THINK WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.

I THINK THAT LIKE TO DO NOW IS LET'S MOVE ON FOR THE TIME BEING COMMISSIONER POWELL FOR HIS COMMENTS, PLEASE.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, UH, COMMUNITY.

UM, IT HAS BEEN A VERY INTERESTING, UH, THREE DAYS, UH, AS MY KNOW, I'M, UH, I'M BOTH THE OLDEST MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE SENIOR MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION CURRENTLY SERVING.

AND SO I'VE BEEN A PART OF OVER THE LAST, UH, SEVEN, ALMOST SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS OF MANY OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE, UH, COME FORWARD WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.

AND I HAVE A, UH, A COMMENT TO

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BEGIN WITH, UH, BEFORE I GET SPECIFICALLY TO THE PROJECT.

AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON AND SHARE WITH, UH, UH, OUR COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE LISTENING DURING MY, UH, MY SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS, UH, PLUS, SO TO SPEAK, UH, ON THIS, UH, COMMISSION.

UM, I WAS AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, UH, SOME TIME AGO, LONG BEFORE, UH, UH, ANDREW HO BECAME OUR DIRECTOR.

I SERVED UNDER A PREVIOUS, UH, I SERVED WITH A PREVIOUS DIRECTOR.

UH, THERE WERE OTHER STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE INVOLVED, UM, AND I'VE SERVED, UH, UNDER A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COUNCIL PERSONS, BOTH CURRENTLY AND PRIOR.

AND ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT THAT REALLY TROUBLED ME DURING THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY WAS THAT THIS PROJECT WAS A DONE DEAL, THAT, UH, THERE WERE ISSUES OF INTEGRITY INVOLVING PUBLIC OFFICIALS ARE THOUGHT TO BE THAT, THAT SORT OF CONCEPTUAL SIDE.

AND I COULD TELL YOU THAT IN THIS SEVEN PLUS YEARS OF SERVICE, I'VE NEVER ONCE HAD A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER, CITY MANAGER, STAFF MEMBER EVER COME TO ME AND URGE ME TO VOTE ON ANY PROJECT IN ANY SPECIFIC WAY, BUT RATHER TO ENCOURAGE ME TO THINK FOR MYSELF AND THINK BASED UPON THE RELEVANT FACTS THAT ARE PRESENTED TO, UH, TO THE COMMISSION, BOTH IN STAFF REPORTS, BOTH IN TESTIMONY, BOTH IN ONSITE VISITS THAT MANY OF US MAKE TO THE AREAS IN WHICH WE, WE GO.

UM, I AM, UH, I AM PARTICULARLY THANKFUL THAT THIS COUNCIL BOTH PAST AND PRESENT, UH, IN MY PUBLIC OPINION, MY PERSONAL OPINION IS OF SUCH A HIGH INTEGRITY.

I HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT THEY WILL DO THE RIGHT THING, UH, IN, IN MATTERS GIVEN BEFORE THEM.

I THINK THEY EMBRACE THE CONCEPT OF A CARING COMMUNITY.

SECONDLY, I'VE SERVED WITH, UH, NUMBERS, COMMISSIONERS, UH, ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT ARE SERVING UP, COME AFTER ME.

UH, AND, UH, BUT I'VE SERVED WITH THEIR COLLEAGUES BEFORE THAT.

AND, AND THEY TOO, NONE OF THESE COMMISSIONERS THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU, UH, HAS, UH, ASKED ME TO VOTE A CERTAIN WAY OR ASK ME HOW I FEEL OR, OR ANYTHING IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF INTEGRITY.

AND, AND I THINK THAT THE POINT THAT WAS MADE IS THAT WE WERE JUST CITIZENS.

WE'RE VOLUNTEER CITIZENS, TRYING TO ASSESS AND DETERMINE WHAT IS BEST FOR THIS PARTICULAR AREA.

AND OVERALL WHAT'S BEST FOR OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE I'VE LIVED HERE FOR SO LONG.

I CERTAINLY CAN REMEMBER THE BEFORE WESTBRIDGE PERIOD.

I REMEMBER THE OIL WELLS, I REMEMBER BEACH BOULEVARD AND MOTORCYCLE HILL AND, AND, UH, GIOVANNI'S PIZZA AND GOING UP IN THE HILLS.

AND, AND BEFORE THAT FURTHER DOWN BELLHURST AND, UH, THE BANKRUPTCY OF BELLHURST HOMES AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE REOPENING OF BELLE HERS.

UM, AND THEN ON, UH, THE BOULEVARD ON IMPERIAL HIGHWAY, UH, WE HAD OUR OWN BRAILLE MALL, UH, BUFFALO, AND BOLEX WHERE THE TWO, UH, UH, ANCHOR STORES WHEN EITHER IN THAT WERE, THAT WERE DYNAMIC.

SO PEOPLE CAME FROM ALL OVER AND OF COURSE, THINGS CHANGE AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND THEY CONTINUE TO CHANGE.

UM, I AGREE WITH, UH, I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, JASON, WITH RESPECT TO THE TRAFFIC, WE HAVE KNOWN FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME THAT THE MAJORITY OF OUR TRAFFIC PROBLEMS WITHIN THE CITY, WHETHER IT BE HARBOR, WHETHER IT BE LAMBERT, WHETHER IT BE, UH, IMPERIAL, WHETHER IT BE BEACH BOULEVARD, THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE CUT-THROUGH TRAFFIC.

UH, WE UNFORTUNATELY SIT AT THE PINNACLE OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET TO THE FIVE 57 OR THE 60 OR THE 90 FREEWAY OR TO, UH, GET INTO THE CITY.

UM, I THINK IT'S, IT'S TOUGH.

I CERTAINLY CAN REMEMBER TIMES ON WHEN YOU'RE BOULEVARD WHERE, UH, TRAFFIC WASN'T AS BAD, BUT, UH, CALTRANS, UH, IS NOT ALWAYS IN OUR CONTROL AND, AND, AND ALL THE WORK THAT THEY

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HAVE DONE AND ARE DOING NOW, UH, EVEN AT, UH, AS WE LOOK AT AT BEACH BOULEVARD AND AROUND, WE KNOW THAT CAL TRANS HAS WORKED ON SYNC SIGNAL SYNCHRONIZATION, UH, CERTAINLY ON, UH PERIAL AND, AND ON HIGHWAY 39 OR WOODY BOULEVARD.

SO, SO WE KNOW THAT PEOPLE OF GOOD FAITH AND GOOD WORKS ARE, ARE, ARE TRYING THEIR BEST TO MEDIATE WHAT HAS HAPPENED AND WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT'S TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.

I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, JASON, THAT, UH, THAT THERE IS A HOUSING SHORTAGE.

IT IS SIMPLY A FACT THAT, UH, HOUSING IS, IS NEEDED AND PARTICULARLY, PARTICULARLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NEEDED FOR THE, UH, HOUSEHOLDS IN OUR CITY TO BE SO LIMITED TO SUCH DESIRABLE, UH, RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE OR LIVE HERE AND WANT TO BUY IN THE AREA, UH, IS REALLY A SAD COMMENTARY ON, ON THE COST.

AND IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT GETTING BETTER IN TERMS OF, OF HOW THAT, UH, IS, UH, IS WORKING.

I'M TROUBLED, UH, I'M TROUBLED BY THE BUILD OUT PERIOD OF TIME.

I'M TROUBLED BY THE SIX YEAR PERIOD OF TIME.

AND WHAT THAT SITE WILL LOOK LIKE DURING, UH, THE TIME, UH, AT WHAT POINT THE, UH, THE GOLF COURSE ULTIMATELY CLOSES SHOULD THIS PASS, UH, ONCE IT CLOSES, UH, WHAT DOES THAT, WHAT'S THAT GOING TO LOOK LIKE? WHAT, WHAT DOES IT, WE WE'VE SEEN THE TIMELINE.

WE CAN SEE HOW IN THE, IN THE STAFF REPORT, AS WELL AS IN THE EIR, LIKE SORT OF THE SEQUENTIAL, UH, BUILDING OF THE PROPERTY, THE GRADING AND THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE PHASING OF THOSE SAYINGS, UM, I'M TROUBLED BY THE, UH, THE HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE, UH, THE WORK THAT WAS DONE DURING THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION WAS 1990, UH, REMEDIATION THE AREA OF THE DRIVING RANGE, UH, WAS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT, UM, I UNDERSTAND, UH, WAS KEPT, UH, AS THEY TALK ABOUT CAPPING.

AND, UM, SO I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A TROUBLING, UH, TROUBLING FACTOR TO DEAL WITH, UM, AND TROUBLING IN TERMS OF HOW, UH, THAT, UH, THAT REMEDIATION OCCURS IN A SAFE AND EFFECTIVE WAY, UH, FOR BOTH THE RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE AREA NOW, UH, ABOVE THE PROJECT, AND CERTAINLY FOR THOSE ON SANDALWOOD AND SEND A WOOD OVER TO EUCLID AND HOW THAT OCCURS, UH, SADLY THE, THE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC FROM IMPERIAL MIDDLE SCHOOL, UH, THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE ABOUT THAT, UH, THERE'S SO MANY DYNAMIC AREAS WHERE CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC HAS REALLY BECOME A DYNAMIC PROBLEM.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT.

I'M NOT THE SHARPEST KNIFE IN THE DRAWER WHEN IT COMES TO ALL OF THESE ISSUES.

AND I JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.

I'M JUST NOT SURE, UM, IN, IN NEIGHBORHOODS, THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WHETHER IT BE IN THE NORTH OR WHETHER IT BE, UH, OFF OF, UH, UH, WHAT ARE YOUR BOULEVARD AT THE CITY LIMITS ON VALLEY HOME? ALL OF THESE AREAS, THERE'S BEEN TRAFFIC REMEDIATION, THERE'S SOME TRAFFIC CALMING IN.

I'M NOT EVEN SURE THAT REALLY EVEN WORKS ANYMORE BECAUSE PEOPLE THROUGH WALLS OR WHATEVER, FIND ALTERNATE ROUTES TO DIVERT FROM THE TRAFFIC AND THEY GO INTO THE COMMUNITY NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND I DUNNO IF WE CAN EVER SOLVE THAT.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE, WE CAN IT'S, IT DISAPPOINTS ME THAT, UH, THAT THAT IS GOING ON PARTICULARLY HARBOR BOULEVARD COMING OVER THE HILL AND WITH, WITH THE HOMES THAT MAY BE BUILT IN BRIA AND COME DOWN PATHFINDER AND MAKE THEIR WAY ONTO HARBOR BOULEVARD, AND THEN ACCESS A FELT FULLERTON OR BRAILLE, OR ON FURTHER DOWN, PERHAPS EVEN TO ANAHEIM, I THINK IT CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC IS A MAJOR ISSUE AND, YOU KNOW, ABSENT MAKING EVERY COMMUNITY, A GATED COMMUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW HOW TO REALLY TELL TO DO THAT, HOW TO DO THAT.

I'M JUST NOT SMART ENOUGH TO FIGURE OUT THAT MAYBE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HAVE WORKED ON IT BETTER BEFORE, BUT I'VE LISTENED TO THESE STUDIES AND I'VE, I'VE GONE TO CLASSES EVERY YEAR DURING THE SEVEN YEARS TO JUST STUDY TRAFFIC CALMING AND TRAFFIC MEDIATION.

AND I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CUT THROUGH TRAFFIC.

AND IN THE, IN THE FACT THAT WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY TO GET FROM POINT A TO POINT B AND WE'RE THE THOROUGHFARE SO TO SPEAK, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX THAT.

I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO FIX

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IT.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, I'M, UM, I'M IN, I'M IN PARTIAL AGREEMENT WITH, WITH JASON, UM, IN TERMS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

UM, I I'M, I'M THINKING THAT, UH, THAT, THAT, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE PERHAPS SHOULD CONSIDER FURTHER, UH, BUT ABSENT THAT, UH, THAT COMPONENT IN, IN SOME GREATER ASSURANCE IN TERMS OF THE, UM, OF THE SCHEDULING AND THE TOXIC WASTE REMOVAL AND, UH, THE ORANGE COUNTY HEALTH AUTHORITY, UH, HAVING ULTIMATELY TO HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON THAT, IT BECOMES A DYNAMIC, UH, ISSUE AND A TOUGH DECISION TO MAKE AND ABSENT SOME, SOME AGREEABLE SOLUTIONS ON THAT.

UH, I WOULD HAVE TO DEPART ON THAT AND I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, UM, TO THE DEGREE THAT IT'S PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT, BASED UPON THE FACTORS THAT I, THAT I'VE OUTLINED.

AND I THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, AND I WOULD YIELD BACK MY TIME.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PAUL VERY MUCH FOR THOSE INSIGHTFUL REMARKS.

UH, MY INCLINATION AT THIS POINT ACTUALLY IS TO MAYBE POLL MY COLLEAGUES AND SEE TO WHAT EXTENT, IF ANY, THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE IDEA OF, AT SOME POINT MAKING A MODIFIED MOTION WITH A PARTICULAR AMENDMENT.

BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO REAL QUICK IS A DIGRESS TO SERITA AND ANDREW TOO, FOR THAT MATTER.

UH, CAUSE I SEE A COUPLE OF WAYS OF PROCEEDING HERE.

WE CAN EITHER RUN THROUGH THE MOTIONS AS THEY'RE WRITTEN AND THEN DEPENDING UPON HOW THAT WORKS OUT, THEN JASON COULD MAKE A SEPARATE MOTION WITH AN AMENDMENT.

AND IF HE GETS A SECOND, WE COULD GO DOWN THAT.

OR MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HANDLE IT THE RIGHT WAY.

SO IF IT'S SOMEBODY, PLEASE ADVISE ME ON THAT, DARREN, THIS IS ANDREW.

BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THAT WOULD WITH THE COMMISSION, WANT TO RECOGNIZE COMMISSIONER BERNERO FOR HER INPUT ON THE PROJECT? WELL, WE DID AND SHE YIELDED.

SHE SAID SHE, SHE TALKED TO HIM MUCH ALREADY, WHICH I THOROUGHLY DISAGREE WITH, BUT UNLESS SHE WANTS TO ISSUE READY NOW, ARE YOU MICHELLE? NO, I WANTED TO WAIT TILL THE END.

HI, I'M A COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

CAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW, BUT WE ARE COVERED BY THE BROWN ACT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

WE CANNOT TALK ABOUT THIS PROJECT AMONGST US COMMISSIONERS.

SO I WANTED TO HEAR THE SENTIMENTS OF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS I'M UM, IT MADE HIM REALLY HAPPY, UM, TO HEAR, UH, EACH ONE OF THEIR OPINIONS.

UM, SINCE I CAN'T HEAR THAT, GENERALLY I AGREE WITH MANLY.

I THINK THAT WE DEFINITELY NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS MEN.

WELL, BROUGHT IT UP.

THERE'S NO WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET AROUND THAT.

WE ARE GOING TO BE TASKED WITH THIS.

THIS IS MY SECOND GO ROUND.

SO WE'LL BE FOUR MORE YEARS IN THIS WILL COME UP AGAIN.

WE WILL HAVE TO, UH, TAP.

WE WILL BE TASKED WITH, UH, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO BUILD AND IF IT'S NOT, THIS PROJECT IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET AROUND IT.

SAME THING WITH, UM, COMMISSIONER PAL, HOW HE BROUGHT UP TRAFFIC.

TRAFFIC'S A HARD THING WE'VE GONE THROUGH.

I'VE GONE THROUGH MANY OF THESE PROJECTS.

THIS IS MY FIFTH YEAR.

WE LOOK AT THESE, WE TEAR THEM APART.

WE, WE, YOU KNOW, REALLY ANALYZE WHAT WE NEEDED IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR JOB LOOKING AT THE ENVIRONMENT, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE IT'S GOING TO BE FILLED THE ZONING, YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY AND YES, WE ARE ALL RESIDENTS.

AND THERE WAS A FEW OF US THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR SEVERAL DECADES.

THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THERE IS, UM, ROOM WHERE THIS COULD BE BETTER, BUT I AGREE WITH MY COMMISSIONERS PAL AND MANUEL, I JUST, I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH ENVIRONMENTAL.

THIS I REALLY DO SO AS IT, AS I STAND NOW BECAUSE OF THAT PORTION, MY, MY ANSWER HAS TO BE NO.

ALL RIGHT, COMMISSIONER.

BERNAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND I'M SORRY IF I DIDN'T COME BACK TO YOU AT THE END OF JERRY'S, I WASN'T CLEAR ON THE IDEA OF WHETHER YOU WERE YELLING, CAUSE HE DIDN'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING OR BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO SAY I'M SO SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO, OKAY.

SO IT'S BACK TO ANDREW AND PERHAPS SERITA IN TERMS OF HOW WE BEST PROCEED.

OH, GO AHEAD.

SORRY.

SORRY.

OH, THAT'S FINE.

I'M SURE WHAT I WAS HEARING, UM, FROM, UH, VICE CHAIR MANLY WAS A SUGGESTION, WHICH I

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THINK WOULD IMPACT AN ENTRY.

YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT WOULD IMPACT THE SPECIFIC PLAN ADOPTION COMPONENT, WHICH WOULD BE TO INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION THAT THE APPLICANT MODIFIED THE PROPOSED SPECIFIC PLAN IN ORDER TO INCLUDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AS PART OF THE PROJECT.

WOULD THAT BE THE APPROPRIATE DOCUMENT, ANDREW? YES, I BELIEVE SO.

UM, THE, THE OTHER THING THAT WE COULD, UM, DO IS SUMMARIZE THE COMMISSION'S, UH, COMMENTS TONIGHT AND FORWARD IT TO THE, UH, COUNCIL FOR CONSIDERATION.

UM, IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE IF, IF THE COMMISSION VOTES ON THE, UH, FIRST ITEM RELATED TO THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION WOULDN'T BE IN A POSITION TO APPROVE THE, UH, RANCH LAHABRA SPECIFIC PLAN OR, OR HAVE ANY CONDITIONS IMPOSED ON IT.

SO THAT'S KIND OF THE PATH I SEE IT GOING DOWN.

NOW, WHAT WE WOULD DO FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE IS INCORPORATE THE, UH, UH, COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSION REGARDING THE NEED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, UH, AND INCORPORATED INTO THE STAFF REPORT SO THAT THE COUNCIL IS AWARE OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED AND THE COMMISSION'S DESIRE.

LET ME ASK A QUESTION.

I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

YOU GUYS TOO, JUST TO ADD, YOU KNOW, IF THERE IS A SENSE, UM, UM, MR. HO'S COMPLETELY CORRECT TO IT.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO START OFF WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT AND VOTE ON THAT, BUT IF THERE IS, UH, UH, SOME FORM OF CONSENSUS AMONGST THE PLANNING COMMISSION, OUR APPETITE FOR POSSIBLY RECOMMENDING AN APPROVAL FOR THE PROJECT, SHOULD THE APPLICANT MODIFY THE PROJECT TO INCLUDE MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR MAKE ANY OTHER MODIFICATIONS, UM, THAT THE COMMISSION, UM, WOULD WANT THEN, THEN THAT COULD BE DONE AT THE TIME YOU COME TO THAT COMPONENT OF, UM, OF THE ENTITLEMENT.

SO, BUT, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF, IF WE CAN'T GET PAT, IF WE MAKE OUR, IF THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL OF THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, THEN YOU KNOW, THERE WOULD BE NO TO, UM, TO MOVE PAST THERE.

LOGICALLY WE, UH, THE COMMISSION, IF YOU WERE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, THEN YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF ALL OF THE OTHER ENTITLEMENTS, BECAUSE THEY'RE DEPENDENT UPON THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

LET ME SAY THIS, AND I CAN STAND CORRECTED IF THAT'S THE CASE, BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME FROM DELIBERATIONS THAT IT LOOKS LIKE WE LIKELY HAVE A MAJORITY THAT WILL WANT TO DENY THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

SO THE QUESTION NOW IS TO VICE-CHAIR MANLY, IF IT WOULD BE SUFFICIENT IN HIS VIEW, JUST TO INCORPORATE HIS COMMENTS AND RECOMMENDATIONS WITH REGARD TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO CITY COUNCIL AND JASON, LET ME KNOW IF THAT WOULD WORK FOR YOU OR NOT.

UM, I DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE THERE YET.

UM, I COULD BE JUST HEARING SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY.

UM, BUT I, I FEEL THAT, UM, BASED ON WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION HAS STATED, UM, THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DISCUSS SOME MODIFICATIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, AND, AND PROVIDE MAYBE EVEN MORE CLARITY FOR THE, UH, FOR THE CITY COUNCIL.

ALL RIGHT, WELL, LET'S TRY THIS.

THEN.

WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M GOING TO ROLL CALL.

I'M GOING TO SEE WHERE WE STAND ON THE NOTION OF MAKING AMENDMENTS OR PLACING CONDITIONS ON THE SPECIFIC PLAN.

AND, UH, W W WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF FOR THOSE WHO LACK SUPPORT FOR THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT THAT MAY OR MAY NOT WORK FOR THEM.

AND OF COURSE THE DECISION TREE INDICATES THAT IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, WE CAN'T CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN.

SO I'LL DO IT IN THE SAME ORDER AS BEFORE I PERSONALLY, UM, I DON'T FEEL THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME PLACE OR PROJECT.

I MEAN, I I'M FULLY SUPPORTIVE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES IN THE FUTURE TO DO OUR VERY BEST, TO ENCOURAGE AND SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN LAHABRA, BUT I WOULDN'T WANT TO INCREASE THE DENSITY FOR THIS PROJECT ONE WIT AND AT ANY EVENT.

AND I THINK THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE THE CASE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SMALLER UNITS IN THIS SORT OF THING.

SO IF I WERE ASKED IN TERMS OF WHETHER I WOULD SUPPORT MAKING ANY AMENDMENTS OR MODIFICATIONS TO THE SPECIFIC PLAN RESOLUTION, I WOULD SAY NO.

AND THEN I WOULD GO TO COMMISSIONER BERNAY AND ASK IF SHE WOULD, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO VOTE YES.

ON THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT ISSUES, A SUPPORTIVE THEN OF ENTERTAINING, A MOTION WITH REGARD TO AMENDMENTS ON THE SPECIFIC PLAN.

IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

OH, ON THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, IT IS NO.

OKAY.

SO THEN COMMISSIONER MUNOZ, UH,

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HOPEFULLY YOU FOLLOWED MY CONVOLUTED LOGIC.

WHAT'S YOUR ANSWER? SO ON THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, IT WOULD BE AT NOW, UM, I MEAN, I'M OPEN TO THE IDEA OF MAKING AMENDMENTS OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN, BUT NOT IN THIS FORMAT, UNLESS I HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE ME THAT I CAN REALLY DIVE IN AND SEE HOW ELSE IS GOING TO BE AFFECTED.

OKAY.

AND COMMISSIONER PAL, DID I READ YOU CORRECTLY? AND THAT YOU, YOU, YOU DO NOT SUPPORT A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

THAT'S CORRECT.

ALRIGHT.

SO THEN JASON, THE SITUATION WE HAVE IS THAT WE HAVE FOUR OF US WHO DON'T WANT TO AMEND THE GENERAL PLAN, WHICH IS A MAJORITY CLEARLY.

SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO AMEND OR MODIFY THE SPECIFIC PLAN RESOLUTION.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.

AND ANDREW AND SERITA IS, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE NEXT THING TO DO IS SIMPLY, UH, ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.

YES, TARA, IF WE COULD, UM, JUST GO THROUGH, UH, ENTERTAIN MOTIONS AND TAKE VOTES ON EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL ENTITLEMENTS REQUESTED BEGINNING WITH IT, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN.

RIGHT? SO AT THIS TIME, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO REPAIR A RESOLUTION REGARDING THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT? THE MOTION? UM, ANDREW, DO I JUST READ IT OFF IN DENIAL? YES.

OKAY.

MICHELLE BERNIER DENY TO MAKE A MOTION OF DENIAL OF THE PLANNING OF THE PROJECT, THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA, DIRECT STAFF TO DENY RESOLUTION FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION, CLARIFYING AND RATIFYING.

HOW DO I TURN THIS? UM, TERRIFY MY, UM, ASSIST WITH THE MOTION? UM, ARE YOU PERHAPS TRYING TO MAKE A MOTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA, DIRECTING STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DID NYE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT 18 DASH ZERO ONE.

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU, SERITA.

IS THERE A SECOND? I, UM, CAN I COMMISSIONER MUNOS SECOND.

THE MOTION.

VERY GOOD.

THANK YOU.

UH, SECRETARY, PLEASE.

CALL ROLL.

THIS IS PLANNING COMMISSION.

SECRETARY.

CARMEN, CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN.

CARMEN.

PERFECT.

CALLING ROLL COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

NO.

WAS THAT A YES.

MA'AM YES.

THAT'S PERFECT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER POWELL.

YES.

VICE CHAIR MEMORY.

NO.

YES.

MOTION HAS PASSED.

THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, CARMEN.

SO AS WE ALL KNOW, WE HAVE TO RUN THROUGH TWO THROUGH NINE AS WELL.

CREATE A RECORD ON THIS.

SO AT THIS TIME THEY HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION REGARDING THE FINAL EIR CHAIRMAN.

JERRY PELL MAY MOVE THIS ON.

YES, PLEASE.

I'LL SECOND.

IT, WELL, WE HAVE TO READ IT.

I HAVE TO READ IT.

I THINK I HAVE TO READ IT PERSE.

YEAH.

AGAIN, THIS IS A COMMISSIONER, JERRY PAUL.

I MAKE A, I WOULD MOVE A MOTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA.

DIRECTING STAFF PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION.

CERTIFYING NOT CERTIFYING.

UH, THE, I CAN'T, I I'M SORRY.

I CAN'T READ IT ON MY FINAL EIR FINAL EIR AND RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ALSO NOT CERTIFY THAT THE FINAL EIR AND DETERMINE THE PROJECT EXEMPT BASED ON THE DENIAL OF THE PROJECT.

IT'S HARD TO READ BLUE WRITING.

ISN'T IT? I'M OLD.

SORRY.

NO PROBLEM.

IS THERE A SECOND? THANK YOU.

WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL.

I MENTIONED SECRETARY CARMEN, CALLING ROSE COMMISSIONER POWELL.

YES.

COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

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COMMISSIONER PERMISSION.

YES.

I CHAIR MAMMY.

NO, SHARON NAZARIAN.

YES.

THIS ITEM HAS PASSED.

HIS SECTION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, CARMEN.

AT THIS TIME, I HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION REGARDING AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE OF THE LOBBY HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN.

IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO ME MAKING A MOTION? SURE.

YOU CAN CERTAINLY MAKE THE MOTION.

I'M JUMPING ON IT.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER SARAH AND I MAKE A MOTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA DIRECTED STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DENY AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE CAUSE THEY'LL HARBOR HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN.

AND IS THERE A SECOND? BECCA FERRY POWELL, COMMISSIONER POWELL.

THANK YOU.

THE MOTION HAS BEEN MADE AND SECONDED.

PLEASE CALL ON THAT.

THIS IS CONNECTED TO SECRETARY CARMEN, CALLING ROLL.

SHARON NAZARIAN.

YES.

COMMISSIONER? YES.

COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YES.

COMMISSIONER YES.

ICE CHAIR MAMMY.

YES.

THIS ITEM HAS PASSED.

INSPECTION SECTION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

ANTHONY CARMEN.

AT THIS TIME, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF REGARDING A RESOLUTION REGARDING ADOPTION OF RANCHO HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN I'LL MAKE YES, SIR.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

I MAKE THE MOTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA DIRECTING STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR THE COMMISSION CONSIDERATION, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL NOT ADOPT THE RANCHO, THE HOPPER SPECIFIC PLAN.

THANK YOU.

THIS IS YOUR SECOND COMMISSIONER BERNAY SECONDS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ADAM.

SECRETARY OF POLICE CALL ROLL.

THIS IS COMMISSION.

SECRETARY CLINTON CALLING ROLL COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

YES.

COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YES.

COMMISSIONER PAL.

YES.

YES.

SHARON IS VERY, YES.

THIS ITEM HAS PASSED AND AFFECTION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU CARLIN.

AT THIS TIME, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION REGARDING ZONE CHANGE? ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE.

I COMMISSIONED OVER NEAR MISS A MOTION OF A PLANNING COMMISSION.

THE CITY OF LAHABRA DIRECTIONAL STAFF PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR THE COMMISSIONER'S CONSIDERATION, RECOMMENDING THAT THE COUNCIL DENIES ZONE CHANGE 15 DASH ONE LITTLE BIT MORE.

ANOTHER TWO LINES.

I DON'T KNOW THAT.

WELL, SEE IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS CHANGING THE ZONE FROM A HOPPER HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN TO RANCHO HOPPER SPECIFIC PLAN.

IS THAT THE REST OF YOUR MOTION? YES.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE A SECOND? I COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

SECOND.

THE MOTION.

THANK YOU.

WE HAVE MOTION.

AND A SECOND.

CAN WE PLEASE CALL ROLL? THIS IS COMMISSION.

SECRETARY PERMIT, CALLING RULE COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YES.

COMMISSIONER PAL.

YES.

VICE CHAIRMAN.

YES.

SHARON NAZARIAN.

YES.

THIS ITEM HAS PASSED THIS ACTUAL INTAKE.

IT WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU CARMEN.

AT THIS TIME I HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION REGARDING THE VESTING CANDIDATE TRACK MAP ONE SEVEN EIGHT FOUR FIVE, AND I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER SARAH AND I MAKE A MOTION TO THE PLANNING OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA DIRECTION.

STATUTE PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION, DENYING VESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP ONE SEVEN EIGHT FOUR FIVE.

AND I'LL CALL FOR A SECOND.

COMMISSIONER.

BERNAY IS THE SECOND.

THANK YOU.

MAY WE PLEASE CALL ROLL? THIS IS CONDITIONED SECRETARY CARMEN CALLING ROLLS.

SHARON NAZARIAN.

YES.

COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YES.

COMMISSIONER POWELL.

YES.

COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

YES.

VICE CHAIR MEMORY.

YES.

IF I AM, HAS PASSED, THE MOTION WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL.

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THANKS CARMEN.

AT THIS TIME I HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION REGARDING DESIGN REVIEW ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE THROUGH ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO FIVE FOR A RAD FOR RACHEL.

OUR SPECIFIC PLANNER IS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN.

MR. CHAIR IS JERRY PAUL.

MAY I MOVE THIS ITEM? PLEASE DO COMMISSIONER JERRY PAUL.

I MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR THE COMMISSION CONSIDERATION, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DENIED DESIGN REVIEW 18 DASH OH ONE THROUGH 18 DASH OH FIVE FOR RANCHO LA HOPPER SPECIFIC PLAN AREAS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN.

THANKS JERRY.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND COMMISSIONER MUNOZ, MUNOZ.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MAY WE PLEASE CALL ROLL? THIS IS COMMISSIONER SECRETARY CRIME AND CALLING ROLL COMMISSIONER PAL.

YES.

COMMISSIONER? YES.

COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YES.

VICE CHAIR MAMMY.

YES.

SHARON IS JERRY.

YES.

IT'S ITEM TEST.

TEST.

THIS SECTION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU, CARMEN.

I'M JUST LOOKING TO SEE, IS THIS THE LAST ONE COMING UP? I THINK IT IS.

SO HERE WE GO.

LAST OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MOTION AT THIS TIME, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION REGARDING DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT? ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE.

I'LL MAKE THE MOTION.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

I MAKE A MOTION, UH, OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF THE HOPPER, DIRECTING STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION OR COMMISSION CONSIDERATION RECOMMENDING THAT CITY COUNCIL DENIED DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

18 DASH ZERO ONE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IS THERE A SECOND COMMISSIONER BERNAY PROVIDES THE SECOND MAYBE, PLEASE CALL ROLL.

IT'S COMMISSION.

SECRETARY CLINTON, CALLING ROLL COMMISSIONER AMMONIA.

YES.

COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YES.

COMMISSIONER PAL.

YES.

THANKS.

CHAIRMAN LEE.

YES.

SHARON NAZARIAN.

YES.

IT'S MOTION HAS PASSED.

THIS SECTION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

THE CHAIRS MAKE ONE CORRECTION IN TERMS OF, UM, CARMEN'S UM, INDICATION THAT THE ACTIONS WOULD BE FORWARDED TO THE COUNCIL FOR THEIR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

SO THAT AS, UM, ALL OF THE MOTIONS, UH, DIRECTED PLANT STAFF TO COME TO PREPARE RESOLUTIONS, TO BRING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, IT WILL BE AT A LATER MEETING DATE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD THEN CONSIDER AND ADOPT THOSE RESOLUTIONS THAT YOU HAVE REQUESTED.

AND THEN AT THAT POINT, YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD BE FORWARDED TO THE COUNCIL.

UNDERSTOOD.

THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING THE RECORD.

WE APPRECIATE IT.

ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, ARE THERE ANY CONSIDERATION ITEMS TONIGHT? UH, NONE.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF? UH, YES.

MR. CHAIRMAN ON BEHALF OF THE CITY STAFF HERE, UH, WANTED TO EXPRESS OUR APPRECIATION FOR THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT THE COMMISSION HAS PUT FORTH, UH, ON THIS, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA.

UM, APPRECIATE ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK.

I'D WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR CITY STAFF, UH, HERE AS WELL.

UH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, UH, STAFF SUPPORT, UH, OVER THE LAST, UH, UH, THREE DAYS TO, UH, UH, GET THIS MEETING, UH, UH, HEARD, UH, BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

SO ON BEHALF OF THE STAFF, UH, APPRECIATE, UH, UH, THE HARD WORK AND DEDICATION THAT YOU'VE PROVIDED TO THE COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, ANDREW.

NOW IT'S TIME FOR ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS.

WE'LL KICK IT OFF WITH COMMISSIONER GURNEY.

OH, I JUST WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT AND UM, YOU KNOW, LETTING US KNOW HOW THEY FEEL, YOU KNOW, EVEN THOUGH SOME OF IT WAS IMPASSIONATE OR ALL, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S BEEN ALL OF OUR MINDS.

WE'VE ALL BEEN LIVING WITH US FOR FOUR YEARS OF OUR FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.

WE'VE BEEN REALLY GOING THROUGH ALL OF THIS INTENTLY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS AND WEEKS, YOU KNOW, REALLY, REALLY INTENTLY.

SO I APPRECIATE IT.

I HOPE I SEE MORE OF YOU GUYS AT OUR FUTURE PROJECTS.

WE HAVE.

ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TO ALL MY COMMISSIONERS.

I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

[11:40:01]

I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR WORDS, EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ALL SAID.

I'M REALLY GLAD TO HEAR SO MUCH CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

MICHELLE COMMISSIONER POWELL, ANY FINAL WORDS? NO COMMENTS, NO COMMENT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MUNEZ.

UM, I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT MICHELLE SAID.

I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR BEING VERY ENGAGED AND VERY PASSIONATE.

I HOPE THAT THIS TYPE OF ENGAGEMENT TRANSCENDS INTO OUR HOUSING ELEMENT.

I JUST WANT TO URGE EVERYONE THAT THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS COMING.

UM, SO WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO BE REALISTIC AND WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT THESE ADDITIONAL DENSITIES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND WORK COLLABORATIVELY AND GETTING MORE SOLUTIONS TO MITIGATE OUR HOUSING CRISIS IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

AND WITH THAT SAID, UM, I WANT TO URGE EVERYONE, UM, HERE IN THE HARBOR TO FILL OUT YOUR CENSUS.

UH, THE CENSUS HAS BEEN EXTENDED.

UM, THIS IS FREE MONEY THAT WE WOULD GET JUST BY SIMPLY SPENDING 10 MINUTES OF YOUR TIME, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ALL REPRESENTED.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS DIRECT MONIES THAT WE GET FROM THE FEDERAL STATE, REGIONAL AND LOCAL.

SO WE DEFINITELY NEED TO BE REPRESENTED.

THIS IS ONE WAY OF COMBATING AND GETTING ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THE CITY OF LAHABRA THAT'S IT WELL SAID, MANNY, THANK YOU.

ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO THE CENSUS.

YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT.

VICE-CHAIR MANNA, NO COMMENTS FROM ME.

THANK YOU, CHAIR.

ALL RIGHT, WELL GUYS, WE PROBABLY SPENT A HUNDRED HOURS IN PREPARATION FOR THIS PROJECT, UH, TO SAY THAT WE WERE DULY DILIGENT IS A VAST UNDERSTATEMENT.

I CAN ATTEST KNOWING ALL OF YOU THE WAY THAT I DO JUST HOW MUCH TORTURE WAS THOUGHT AND EFFORT YOU PUT INTO THIS WITH THOSE THREE VOLUMES EIR, UH, GETTING QUESTIONS ANSWERED BY STAFF.

UH, NOBODY DID PREJUDGE THIS.

AND SO WE BEGAN THIS PUBLIC HEARING.

I KNOW THAT I KNOW I FELT THAT WAY MYSELF.

SO WE UNDERSTOOD THE ABSOLUTE FUNDAMENTAL, UH, RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE UNDERTOOK TO WAIT AND CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT COMES BEFORE US.

AND WHAT WE SAW HERE TOO.

I THINK ANDREW MENTIONED THIS TO ME.

IT WAS SUCH A TREMENDOUS EXERCISE AND REPRESENTATION OF DEMOCRACY.

YOU KNOW, THE WAY WE WORK SO HARD TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL VIEWPOINTS WERE INCLUDED AND THE FACT THAT WE DID OUR HOMEWORK SO THOROUGHLY AND THAT WE WERE NOT SWAYED BY ANYTHING WE WERE SWAYED.

OF COURSE, YOU GO BACK AND FORTH IN YOUR OWN MIND, BUT YOU DON'T DECIDE UNTIL ALL THE FACTS ARE IN.

AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID.

AND IT'S NICE TO SEE THE END OF THE ROAD FINALLY REACHED.

I'LL SAY THAT THOUGH.

I WANT TO SAY TREMENDOUS, THANKS TO ALL THE STAFF.

I WANT TO THANK VERONICA WHO WORKS SO HARD EVERY NIGHT.

IT WAS SO DIFFICULT WORKING THOSE PHONES, SO TO SPEAK.

SHE WAS LIKE THE OLD FASHIONED SWITCHBOARD.

I KNOW IT WAS STRESSFUL FOR HER.

AND I WANT TO TELL HER HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE HER CARMEN.

YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD.

IT WAS HARD FOR YOU TO, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO DO THE SECRETARY'S JOB REMOTELY.

WE APPRECIATE YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, ROY.

YOU GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION.

I KNOW HOW MUCH WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS.

THIS WAS YOUR REPORT.

YOU KNOW, YOU WERE THE LEAD ON US AND I RESPECT YOU TREMENDOUSLY.

AND I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

UH, ANDREW, WHAT CAN I SAY? YOU KNOW, ANDREW DIDN'T SEEM STRESSED AT ALL.

HE WAS THE COOLEST CUCUMBER IN THE ROOM ALWAYS.

AND YET, YOU KNOW, THAT HE WAS ALWAYS THINKING FIVE CHESS MOVES AHEAD.

HE HAD EVERY BASE COVERED.

HE WAS AN ENORMOUS RESOURCE TO ME.

UH, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN 10 TIMES HARDER FOR ME TO GET THROUGH THIS, SHARING THIS HEARING WITHOUT ANDREW.

SO ANDREW PROFOUND, THANKS TO YOU.

AND ALSO OUR, OUR, OUR COUNSELORS, JEANETTA DAVID, UH, SARITA, ESPECIALLY TONIGHT WITH ALL OF YOUR INSIGHT WAS THAT, HEY MONICA ANYWAY, AND ALL THE STAFF TOO.

I DIDN'T MENTION EVERYBODY, BUT I KNOW ALL THE OTHER STAFF PLAYED BIG ROLES IN THIS TOO.

SO THANK YOU TO YOU ALL.

AND THAT'S IT.

NOW WE'RE ONTO THE NEXT PROJECT.

SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY.

WE ALL I HAVE TO MENTION.

WE ARE NOW WITH NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US ADJOURNED TO THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 17TH AT 6:00 PM VIA ZOOM.

SO THAT'S A CHAIR IN HIS AREA AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANTED TO BRING TO THE COMMISSION'S ATTENTION IN LIGHT OF THE RECOMMENDATION TONIGHT.

UH, WE THINK WE CAN TURN AROUND THE RESOLUTIONS BY, BY TOMORROW.

UM, IF THE COMMISSIONERS SCHEDULES ARE AVAILABLE FOR TOMORROW, WE WOULD PREFER THAT THE AGENDA, UH, THE, THE MEETING BE ADJOURNED TO THE MEETING TOMORROW AT 6:00 PM.

IF, IF EVERYBODY IS AVAILABLE FOR THAT, ANYBODY WHO SUDDENLY HAS ANY OBJECTIONS TO THAT, PLEASE INTERJECT RIGHT NOW.

WOULD YOU SAY 6:00 PM OR 6:36 PM.

6:00 PM, SIX, SIX 30.

NOW I'M RECOMMENDING A 6:00 PM JUST TO GET STARTED A LITTLE BIT EARLIER.

I KNOW, UH, SOME FOLKS MAY HAVE, UH, TIME CONSTRAINTS.

UM, I, THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE VERY EASY FOR ME AT ALL.

UM, IF WE CAN MOVE IT TO NEXT WEEK, THAT'D BE A WHOLE LOT EASIER FOR ME.

CAN YOU OKAY.

THAT, AND WE CAN PROBABLY DO THAT, BUT THE SIX 30 BE ANY EASIER.

[11:45:01]

YEAH, JUST THAT TOMORROW WE HAVE A, UH, MY HUSBAND HAS CLASS TOMORROW AND WE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO BOTH, SO WE, WE CAN'T DO THAT.

OKAY.

YEAH.

THAT'S WHAT WE SAY, ANDREW, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO THEN? HEY, ANDREW.

UM, HOW, HOW LONG WOULD YOU EXPECT THE MEETING TOMORROW TO BE? IS THAT PRETTY, PRETTY BRIEF? YEAH.

TO SORT OF PRESENT THE, UH, RESOLUTIONS TO THE COMMISSION AND TO DO THE VOTE.

UM, I'M ANTICIPATING MAYBE 15 MINUTES.

UH, AND MAYBE A QUESTION FOR SERITA, UM, WOULD BE RESOLUTIONS, UM, BE PLACED ON CONSENT OR WOULD WE STILL NEED TO OFFICIALLY DO VOTES? WE WOULD HAVE TO DO OFFICIAL VOTES ON ALL OF THEM AGAIN, PROBABLY.

SO WE WOULD BRING IT BACK TO THEM.

WE'RE DOING A, UM, A REMOTE MEETING.

WE WOULD PUT AN INCINERATION LONG AS IT DOESN'T LONGER THAN A HALF AN HOUR.

I THINK WE CAN KIND OF SWING IT.

I THINK KIND OF HEARING, I THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT 15, 20 MINUTES AT MOST.

IS THAT RIGHT? AND DO YOU THINK, YES, THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE GREAT FOR ME AS WELL.

MICHELLE, I ALSO HAVE SOMETHING TOMORROW NIGHT.

UM, SIX O'CLOCK WOULD WORK BETTER FOR ME IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION IS OKAY.

SO IT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

IF IT'S GOING TO BE SHORT LIKE THAT 15, 20 MINUTES.

IF WE DO IT AT SIX O'CLOCK WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT.

ALRIGHT.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER OBJECTIONS TO SIX O'CLOCK FOR THAT 15, 20 MINUTES HEARING? NONE.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

I THINK RIGHT, ANDREW.

YUP.

THANK YOU.

ALRIGHT, SO UNTIL THAT TIME WE ARE ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU AGAIN, EVERYBODY HAVE A GREAT NIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I NOW HAVE SIX O'CLOCK ON THE OFFICIAL A CLOCK HERE.

SO LET US BEGIN.

GOOD EVENING.

ALL MY NAME IS DARREN EXTERRAN.

I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF OLD HARBOR CITY PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WELCOME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH WAS CONTINUED FROM LAST NIGHT.

UH, AT THIS TIME THE MEETING WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER AND PLEASE JOIN COMMISSIONER MUNOZ AND THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, TO THE REPUBLIC, FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU, MANNY.

AND IF YOU'RE GONNA HEAR THE CLOCK SHINING IN THE BACKGROUND, I DEEPLY APOLOGIZE BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TURNING THAT OFF FOR THE LAST THREE NIGHTS AND I FORGOT TONIGHT, BUT IT'LL IT'LL END VERY SHORTLY.

UH, WELL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER SECRETARY, CARMEN COUNTY COMMISSIONER, VICE CHAIR, MANLEY, COMMISSIONER POWELL HERE.

COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YEAH, SHARON NAZARIAN.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW RECONVENE THE HEARING ON THE RANCHO LAHABRA PROJECT.

AS A REMINDER, THE ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS CONSIDERATION OF NUMBER ONE, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE THAT'S S C H.

NUMBER TWO (015) 111-0452 GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE.

TO CHANGE THE LAND, USE DESIGNATION FROM OPEN SPACE TO LOW DENSITY, RESIDENTIAL AND THAT'S ZERO EIGHT, ZERO TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE FOR PLANNING AREAS TWO, THREE, FOUR, AND MIXED USE ONE FOR PLANNING AREA OF FIVE AND THE RANCHO LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN THREE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE TO THE LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN FOR ZONE CHANGE ONE EIGHT ZERO ONE TO CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN TO RANCHO LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN TO THE AREA OCCUPIED BY THE WEST RIDGE GOLF COURSE, FIVE ADOPTION OF THE RANCHO LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN SIX VESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP ONE SEVEN EIGHT FOUR FIVE SEVEN DESIGNER VIEW ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE THREE ONE EIGHT ZERO FIVE FOR RANCHO HOPPER SPECIFIC PLAN AREAS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN, AND FINALLY EIGHT DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

ONE EIGHT DASH ZERO ONE TONIGHT WILL BE CONDUCTED IN THE FOLLOWING MANNER.

AS A REMINDER, THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION OF THIS ITEM HAS BEEN CLOSED AND COMMISSIONED.

DELIBERATION HAS BEEN CONCLUDED.

THE COMMISSION HAS APPROVED A MOTION DIRECTING STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DENY THE PROJECT.

SO, UH, AT THIS TIME I WOULD THEREFORE ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT ZONE CHANGE, SPECIFIC PLAN, AMENDMENTS, RANCHO LA HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN DESIGN REVIEWS, AND THE DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER VERNIER.

I MAKE A MOTION ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OF PLENTY COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA BARBARA RECOMMENDED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL DENY ONE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT 18 DASH ZERO

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ONE TO RECLASSIFY THE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF THE AREA CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY WEST RIDGE GOLF COURSE FROM ONE SPACE TO LOW DENSITY, ZERO EIGHT UNIT ACRES, RESIDENTIAL FOR PLANNING AREAS TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, AND MIXED USE ONE FOR PLANNING AREA ONE AND FIVE OF THE RANCHO HARBOR SPECIFIC PLAN.

ALONG WITH THE TEXT AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER TWO, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, CHAPTER FIVE, COMMUNITY SERVICE, CHAPTER SIX, A CONSERVATIONAL NATURAL RESOURCES CHOOSE ZONE CHANGE 18 DASH ZERO ONE AMENDMENT TO THE OFFICIAL LAND USE ZONING MAP BY REMOVING THE AREA OF GENERAL NOTE AS THE WESTRIDGE GOLF COURSE FROM THE LAHABRA HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN AND ADOPT THE RANCHO WILL HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN AND THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE SUBJECT SITE THREE AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE AT THE LA HARBOR HILLS SPECIFIC PLAN FOR ADOPT THE RANCHO LAHABRA SPECIFIC PLAN DESIGNATION REVIEW 18 DASH ZERO ONE THROUGH 18 DASH ZERO FIVE FOUR RANCHO HARBOR SPECIFIC FUND AREA ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX, AND SEVEN AND SIX DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT, 18 DASH ZERO ONE FOR THE RANCHO HAVA SPECIFIC PLAN AT 14 ZERO ZERO SOUTH WILL HARBOR HILLS DRIVE AND FIND THE ACTIONS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY'S OUT.

VERY GOOD, MICHELLE.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE A SECOND TERRY POWELL? I WOULD OFFER A SECOND FOR THIS MOTION.

THANK YOU, JERRY.

THE MOTION HAS BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER BERNAY AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER POWELL.

WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROOM SECRETARY CALLING.

YES.

COMMISSIONER POWELL.

YES.

COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YES.

COMMISSIONER MANLEY.

NO.

AND FOR THE RECORD, UM, IT'S A NO, BECAUSE LAST NIGHT WHEN WE MOVED THESE RESOLUTIONS INDIVIDUALLY, UM, I WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, IN SUPPORT OF CERTIFYING THE EIR AND NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT AS WRITTEN AND THE REST OF THE RESOLUTIONS TONIGHT WITH THEM BEING COMBINED.

THAT MAKES ME CONFLICTED.

UM, SO FOR THIS PARTICULAR MOTION THIS EVENING, UM, IT WILL BE A NO, AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S FINE, JASON, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THAT WILL BE DULY NOTED FOR THE RECORD AND FINAL, UH, WOULD BE FROM CHAIR NAZARIAN.

MY VOTE IS YES.

THANK YOU.

THIS ITEM HAS PASSED.

THIS ACTION WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU.

AT THIS TIME, I WOULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON VESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP ONE SEVEN EIGHT FOUR FIVE CHAIR.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION PLEASE.

THIS IS COMMISSIONER MUNOZ.

I MAKE THE MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA DENYING BESTING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP 1784 FIVE, AND FINDING THAT THE ACTION EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT.

THANK YOU, MANNY.

IS THERE A SECOND? VERY POWELL.

I WILL MOTION.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

SO WE HAVE A MOTION THAT'S BEEN MOVED BY COMMISSIONER MUNOZ AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.

PAUL WILL THE SECRETARY KINDLY CALL ROLL? THIS IS COMMISSIONER SECRETARY.

CARNOT CALLING RULE COMMISSIONER BERNIER.

YES.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PAL.

YES.

SORRY.

I CAN HEAR THAT.

YEAH.

WHO WAS IT FROM? YES.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIR.

MANLY.

ARE YOU THERE JASON? I'M A YES.

SORRY.

OKAY.

SHARON NAZARIAN.

YES.

THIS ITEM HAS PASSED AND WILL BECOME FINAL WITHIN 10 WORKING DAYS ON THIS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CARMEN, DO

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WE HAVE ANY CONSIDERATION ITEMS TONIGHT? THIS IS ANDREW.

NO.

MR. CHAIRMAN, NO ITEMS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF PLEASE? UH, JUST AGAIN, WANTED TO REITERATE AND THANK THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR, UH, UH, EFFORTS OVER THE LAST WEEK TO, UH, CONSIDER, UH, THE ITEM.

UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

APPRECIATE IT FROM STAFF.

THANK YOU, ANDREW.

ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER? BERNAY NO COMMENT.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER PAUL.

NO COMMENT.

THANK YOU COMMISSIONER.

MUNOS NO COMMENT.

THANK YOU, VICE CHAIR.

MANLY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I'LL SAY AGAIN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH TO ALL MY COLLEAGUES WHO MADE A WONDERFUL TEAM AND HAD TO DEAL WITH A LOT OF MOVING PARTS.

AND, UH, I THINK WE CONDUCTED A GREAT HEARING.

SO THANKS AGAIN.

THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED TO THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 28, 2020 AT 6:30 PM.

HAVE A GOOD NIGHT ALL NIGHT.

NO.