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[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, JUNE 28, 2021 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631]
MEETING WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER.WILL THE AUDIENCE PLEASE STAND AND JOIN COMMISSIONER POWELL IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
COMMISSIONER PALO, WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL? YES.
COMMISSIONER
VICE CHAIR MUNOZ HERE, CHAIRMAN LEE HERE.
BEFORE WE BEGIN WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.
THIS EVENING, MAYOR ESPINOSA IS HERE WITH US TONIGHT TO MAKE A PROCLAMATION ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO WE WOULD INVITE MAYOR ESPINOSA.
I WAS JUST GOING TO BE PART OF THE PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING ME, UM, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIR, AND VICE-CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'M ON THE MAYOR OF LA BARBARA.
UH, WE HAD, WE WERE LOOKING FORWARD TO PRESENTING THIS PROCLAMATION TO JERRY PAUL LAST MONDAY.
UH, BUT I COME TO FIND OUT THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO BE ATTENDING.
SO I SAID, WELL, I WILL SHOW UP AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND MAKE SURE THAT WE PRESENT THIS TO HIM BECAUSE, UM, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US TO RECOGNIZE THOSE WHO HAVE GIVEN SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, I HAVE A PROCLAMATION HERE THAT SAYS, UH, WHEREAS JERRY POWELL WAS APPOINTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON NOVEMBER 25TH, 2013.
UH, JERRY POLLY'S SOLDIERS SERVED AS VICE CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2015, UH, IN 2015.
AND HIS CHAIR IS 2017 AND A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF LA AS A, HE, JERRY POWELL HAS EXPERIENCED THE LIFELONG RESIDENT, A SEVEN YEAR MEMBER OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALLOWED HIM TO PROVIDE INVALUABLE REVIEW AND INSIGHT.
AND WHEREAS JERRY POWELL PARTICIPATED IN THE APPROVAL APPROVAL OF THE LANDMARK DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WITHIN THE CITY, INCLUDING THE ROW ON HARBOR, NORTH GATE SHOPPING CENTER, KAISER MEDICAL OFFICE, BUILDING OLSON, RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, LIKE KINDA IN AND SUITES, ALL D STARBUCKS FARMER'S BOY HOBBY LOBBY, HARBOR FREIGHT, RAISING CANE TOMMY'S BURGER TRADER JOE'S, CVS BURLINGAME, BURLINGTON BURLINGTON COAT FACTORY, AND VALORI RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AS WHERE.
AND WHEREAS JERRY POWELL PARTICIPATED IN THE APPROVAL OF IMPORTANT LEGISLATION FROM, FROM WHICH TO FURTHER GUIDE DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY, INCLUDING UPDATES TO THE LA HARBOR BOULEVARD, SPECIFIC PLAN, VARIOUS ZONE CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND ZONING CODES UPDATES REGARDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCENTIVES, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, AND WIRELESS FACILITY.
AND WHEREAS THESE PROJECTS HAVE ENHANCED THE COMMUNITY INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES AND THEREFORE ENSURED QUALITY DEVELOPMENT IN LA HARBOR FOR YEARS TO COME.
NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LA HARBOR DOES HERE BY EXPRESS HIS APPRECIATION TO JERRY POWELL FOR HIS SEVEN YEARS OF OUTSTANDING SERVICE AND COMMITMENT TO THE CITY OF LA HARBOR PLANNING COMMISSION, AND WISH THEM SUCCESS IN ALL THE FUTURE ENDEAVORS.
WE WANT TO WISH YOU WELL IN YOUR RETIREMENT, ENJOY YOUR LIFE WITH YOUR WIFE AND YOUR GRANDCHILDREN.
AND WE HOPE THAT YOU TRAVEL ALL OVER, BUT YOU WILL BE SORELY MISSED HERE IN THE CITY OF LA BARBARA.
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE SERVICE.
IT SEEMS THAT ALL YOUR LIFE YOU HAVE GIVEN SERVICE IN THE ARMED FORCE OR, UM, POLICE FORCE AND SUCH AND TEACHING AS WELL.
I MEAN, IT'S BEEN, YOU'VE BEEN SERVING IN SO MANY CAPACITIES AND WE'RE JUST GRATEFUL THAT YOU TOOK THE TIME TO BE WITH US ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ALL THESE YEARS AND EXTENDED THE TIME AS WELL WHILE WE WERE WAITING FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, THIS COVID TO PASS AS WELL.
WE WISH YOU CONTINUED SUCCESS AND RETIREMENT AND UM, GOD BLESS YOU.
YOU TRIED TO HIDE FROM HER JERRY, BUT SHE WENT WHERE YOU COULDN'T HIDE FROM HER ANYMORE.
CONGRATULATIONS, COMMISSIONER POWELL.
THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING IS PUBLIC COMMENTS.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED
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AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE.SPEAKING TIME, AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF CITY BUSINESS, NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5, 4, 9, 5, 4 0.3.
SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING.
SO IF YOU'RE HERE THIS EVENING AND YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, UM, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, LEAVE IT AT THE LECTURE.
AND WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU'LL FIND THE SPEAKER CARDS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.
THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGES BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.
IS THERE ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT? NONE WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
ALL MATTERS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE.
IT WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUEST SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.
PUBLIC CLIMATE SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE.
SPEAKING TIME, AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE THROUGH TWO, ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM COMMISSIONER AND EXERIENCE NO THANK YOU.
COMMISSIONER POWELL, NO COMMISSIONER.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO HAVE AN ITEM REMOVED SEEING NONE? MAY I HAVE A MOTION MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION WITHOUT OBJECTION.
I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF ITEM ONE.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT COMMISSIONER MUNOZ MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER POWELL AND SECONDED BY VICE CHAIR.
MUNOZ WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL COMMISSIONER BURNETT COMMISSIONER PAL.
COMMISSIONER VICE-CHAIR MUNOZ.
WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.
THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THE STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM.
THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST.
AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
AFTER ALL I'VE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTIONS THAT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD, LEAVE IT AT THE LECTOR.
AND WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU WILL FIND THE SPEAKER CARDS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF, SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.
THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGES BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER AMENDMENTS TO THE LAHABRA MUNICIPAL CODE, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF CHAPTER 5.26 SHORT-TERM RENTALS TO TITLE FIVE BUSINESS TAXES, LICENSES AND REGULATIONS.
THE ADDITION OF SECTION 1.0 8.020 A OF SECTION 5.2 6.01.
OH, VIOLATION NUISANCE TO TITLE ONE GENERAL PROVISIONS AND ZONE CHANGE 21 DASH ZERO ONE AMENDING TITLE 18 ZONING ADDING CHAPTER 18.0 8.14.
OH SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL RENTALS.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? UH, YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS THAT WAS FORWARDED TO THE COMMISSION EARLIER THIS AFTERNOON.
AND, UM, JUST RIGHT BEFORE THE MEETING, WE RECEIVED ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT, WHICH, WHICH YOU DID.
I DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO SEND YOU.
AND I PLACED A HARD COPY OF THAT IN FRONT OF YOU.
YEAH, I THINK WE WERE IN RECEIPT OF ALL OF THAT AS WELL AS EVEN A COUPLE OF VIDEOS AND SOME PHOTOS FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES.
MR. CHAIR SHORT-TERM RENTALS, UH, HAVE BECOME AN EXPLODING WITH POPULARITY IN, IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
UM, AND A NUMBER OF CITIES HAVE BEEN LOOKING INTO REGULATIONS AND AS WE HAVE A FEW OF THESE THAT DO EXIST IN LAHABRA AND WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCED PROBLEMS IN ONE WITH
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ONE PARTICULAR ONE IN AN, A NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, WHICH CAUSED US TO LOOK INTO THIS ISSUE MORE CLOSELY.UM, WE'VE PUT TOGETHER SOME INFORMATION FOR THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW TONIGHT AND HOPEFULLY WE'VE PROVIDED ENOUGH INFORMATION.
SO YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION BY THE, BY THE END OF THIS EVENING.
UM, WE'D MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
SO THE TWO SIDES TO THIS, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE THERE.
THE OPPONENTS ARE THAT ARE CONNECTED WITH, WITH, UH, A LOSS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH THEY BELIEVE THESE CAUSE AND CITIES HAVE REGULARLY RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT NEGATIVE IMPACTS ABOUT PARKING NOISE, UH, DISRUPTION OF THE PIECE, AND JUST KIND OF GENERAL NUISANCES, UM, PROMOTED PROPONENTS ARGUE THAT THEY DESIRE TO SUPPLEMENT THEIR INCOMES FOR SUCH RENTALS FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, SUCH AS AVOIDING FORECLOSURE AND EARNING MONEY TO PAY THEIR MORTGAGES.
UM, AND THE BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES ARE ALSO WELCOME AND ACKNOWLEDGE A POSITIVE EFFECTS ON VISITORS WHO FREQUENT THE CITY FOR, WITH OTHER SERVICES, UM, FOR THE VISITORS THEY OFFER SHORT-TERM RENTALS MORE FLEXIBLE THAN A TYPICAL HOTEL WHERE THEY HAVE, ESPECIALLY FOR FAMILIES WHERE THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO COOK.
AND IF THEY'RE TRAVELING WITH PETS AND LOTS OF CHILDREN, UM, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT.
AND IF THEY'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT LONGER TIME, SO THE REGULATORY OPTIONS AVAILABLE TO THE CITY ARE THAT WE CAN PROHIBIT SHORT TERM UNITS, ALLOW THEM WITH A VARIETY OF REGULATIONS DESIGNED TO REDUCE THE NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO NEIGHBORHOODS OR ALLOW THEM BUY RIGHT SUBJECT TO EXISTING CODES CURRENTLY.
UM, THAT IS WHAT'S HAPPENING IN LAHABRA THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALLOWED BY, RIGHT.
UM, AND SUBJECT TO THE NOISE AND NUISANCE ORDINANCES.
AND WHAT HAVE YOU SO SHOULD THE D WISH TO, UM, PRO PARENT ORDINANCE FOR ALLOWING THEM, BUT WITH REGULATIONS TO, TO MITIGATE THE NEGATIVE IMPACT STAFF HAS PREPARED AN ORDINANCE WITH, WITH THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN IT.
WE'VE ALSO PREPARED A RESOLUTION FOR YOU TONIGHT.
UM, SHOULD YOU WISH TO GO THE ROUTE OF PROHIBITING THEM? SO I'LL, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT SOME OF THE REGULATIONS PROPOSED IN THE ORDINANCE ARE.
UM, SO THIS SLIDE INDICATES SOME OF THE KEY ONES.
UH, ONE OF THE CONCERNS IS ABOUT LOCATION, UM, IN COMPLYING WITH NOISE STANDARDS, UH, MAINTAINING THE NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, NOT HAVING EXCESSIVE AMOUNTS OF PARKING LIMITING TIMES OF USE, UM, PROVISIONS FOR REVOCATION OF THE PERMIT AND AGAIN, UH, ABILITY TO ENDURE THEIR CITATIONS AND HAVE, HAVE ANNUAL INSPECTIONS.
SO TO KIND OF DRILL DOWN IN SOME OF THESE A LITTLE BIT, UM, FOR EXAMPLE, THE REGULATION WE'VE PROPOSED THAT YOU'VE HAD THE FULL TEXT, THAT YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO READ, UM, WOULD LIMIT PEOPLE USING SWIMMING POOLS FROM 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT TO EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS USING THE POOL AND MAKING NOISE AT, AT TWO O'CLOCK, UH, THE PD WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OUT AND WRITE THEM A CITATION FOR THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, UH, UM, MAINTAINING THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER, UM, WE'RE PROPOSING SUCH THINGS AS LIMITING THE OCCUPANCY, UM, TO TWO PEOPLE PER BEDROOM, UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CHILDREN, CHILDREN UNDER SIX.
SO A TYPICAL, UH, THREE OR FOUR BEDROOM HOUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE SIX TO EIGHT.
PEOPLE WOULD BE THE MACKIE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT COULD BE THERE.
UM, WE GOT REQUIRING THAT ALL THE PARKING BE EITHER IN THE GARAGE OR ON THE DRIVEWAY AND NOT TAKE UP ANY ON-STREET PARKING.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'VE ADDED PROVISIONS FOR CITATIONS, WHICH COULD ALSO RAISE THIS TO A LEVEL OF A MISDEMEANOR IF THERE'S MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE VIOLATIONS.
SO, AND IT, AND SO IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF SHOULD THE COMMISSION WISH TO GO THAT DIRECTION, THAT'S WHERE A COMPANY COMING IN MODIFYING SECTION 1.0 8.20 COMES INTO PLACE.
AND THIS WOULD BE THE PROVISION THAT GIVES THE, UM, THE CITY, THE EXPERTISE TO TAKE THESE AS MISDEMEANOR TO COURT.
IF THE, IF, IF WE HAVE A REPEAT OFFENDER, UM, AND IN ADDITION, UH, WE HAVE TO MODIFY THE ZONING CODE, UM, TO HAVE A SECTION TO SAY, THEY'RE ALLOWED, CAUSE RIGHT NOW THE ZONING CODE IS SILENT ON THAT.
SO, AND THEN UNDER PUB PUBLIC COMMENT IS THAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, WE, UM, SENT YOU ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE WE RECEIVED PART PART, OR EXCUSE ME, PRIOR
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TO THE MEETING.UM, IN ADDITION, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, UM, THAT PROBABLY WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS TOPIC.
UM, WE DID NOTICE THAT ONE OF THE EMAILS, UH, WE, WE SENT OUT TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAD, WE'D RECEIVED A COMPLAINT FROM, AND TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS MANAGEMENT COMPANY.
AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT RECEIVED THE EMAIL FORWARDED TO, TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
SO THE WHOLE NEIGHBORS HOOD OF, AND HAS BEEN MADE AWARE OF THIS ITEM BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING.
SO THIS PARTICULAR UNIT, THE ORDINANCE REMEMBER OF COURSE IS CITY WIDE.
UM, BUT THIS IS THE PARTICULAR LOCATION IN COUNTRY HILLS WHERE WE'VE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF, OF COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND MORE PD HAS HAD TO RE RESPOND.
UM, AND THIS IS AT EIGHT 800 TEAKWOOD.
SO IN SUMMARY, UM, STAFF IS ASKING THE COMMISSION TO REVIEW THE INFORMATION PRESENTED AND LISTENED TO ALL THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND THEN GIVE STAFF A DIRECTION OF, OF WHAT YOU WISH TO TAKE FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL, EITHER FOR ADOPTING THE ORDINANCE AS IS, OR WITH MODIFICATIONS AS YOU SEE FIT OR FOR AN OUTRIGHT PROHIBITION.
AND THAT IS ALL I WOULD HAVE TO OFFER AT THIS POINT, EXCEPT I'M, I'M READY TO ANSWER ALL OF THE QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, CAUSE THIS IS A KIND OF A MEATY TOPIC.
UH, AT THIS TIME I WILL DO THAT.
I WILL CALL ON THE COMMISSION IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU, UH, BEGIN WITH COMMISSIONER BERNAY HI, UM, ROY, MY QUESTION IS WHEN THEY, IF WE DO A GO FORWARD WITH CITATIONS AND WILL BE THE ONE RECEIVING THE CITATIONS, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING THERE, THAT OWNER'S ASSOCIATION, HOW DO WE FIGURE THAT OUT? WE'VE WE'VE BEEN, UH, PRETTY INCLUSIVE IN THE ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW AND EVERYBODY'S RESPONSIBLE.
SO IT'S THE PERSON OR ENTITY OWNING, RENTING, OR LEASING OR OCCUPYING IS THE WAY IT'S WORDED IN THE ORDINANCE.
SO WE WOULD SITE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE RENTING IT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER.
ANYTHING ELSE, MICHELLE? I'M OKAY FOR RIGHT NOW.
I JUST WANT TO ACTUALLY CONFIRM OR VERIFY WHAT I THINK IS THERE IN THE STAFF REPORT WITH REGARD TO HOW OTHER CITIES HANDLE THIS ISSUE, BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS WISE TO TAKE A LOOK AND SEE HOW ADJACENT COMMUNITIES HAVE RESPONDED TO THE CHALLENGE OF SDRS.
SO TO BE CLEAR, IT LOOKS LIKE ABOUT THREE OR FOUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES HAVE AN ORDINANCE REGULATING THEM ABOUT THREE OR FOUR, HAVE NO REGULATION WHATSOEVER, OR IT'S A RIGHT.
AND THEN ABOUT THREE OR FOUR ALSO PROHIBIT SHORT-TERM RENTALS COMPLETELY.
IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.
WE LOOKED AT, WE ALWAYS, WHEN WE DO THESE TYPES OF SURVEYS, LOOK AT OUR IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING CITIES FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL EXPAND OUR SEARCH OUT FAR, FARTHER AWAY.
UM, SO WE BECAME AWARE OF WHY THE STAFF REPORT WAS BEING PREPARED OF, UH, A SURVEY THAT WAS GOING AROUND THROUGH ALL THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT CITIES IN ORANGE COUNTY ASKING, UH, THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT PLANNING AGENCIES, HOW THEY'RE, HOW THEY'RE HANDLING THIS.
UM, SO THAT'S INCOMPLETE, BUT WE DID GATHER SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FROM THAT.
AND WE, UM, WERE LOADED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE, UH, FOUR OR FIVE CITIES THAT WE SAW THAT WERE JUST HAVING OUTRIGHT PROHIBITIONS AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, THAT WAS TUSTIN VILLA PARK, GARDEN GROVE AND IRVINE.
UM, THE CITIES THAT ALLOW THEM, UM, IN OUR AREA ARE GOING TO PARK AND ANAHEIM IN FULLERTON AND ANAHEIM AND FULLERTON HAVE BEEN EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS. UM, THEY LIMITED THE TOTAL NUMBER THAT ARE ALLOWED WITHIN IN THE CITY AND, AND, AND THEY'RE EVER HEAVILY REGULATING THEM.
AND THEY'RE LIMITED IN THE NUMBERS OF THE HUNDREDS, I THINK ARE ON A MUCH LARGER SCALE THAN, THAN, THAN LAHABRA.
AND SO ANAHEIM AND BUENA PARK ARE TOURIST DESTINATIONS PER SE.
AND WE HAVE ROUGHLY WHAT, SEVEN TO EIGHT S BEST OUR ESTIMATE.
WE CAN FIND WE HAVE SEVEN TO EIGHT OF THESE ACROSS THE CITY.
IN ADDITION TO THIS ONE ON TEAKWOOD, UH, WE'VE ONLY RECEIVED ONE OTHER COMPLAINT.
UM, AND THAT WAS ONE, ONE ON ORANGE STREET.
AND THE COMPLAINT CAME IN DURING THE DAYTIME.
AND IT WAS ABOUT, UM, EXCESSIVE AMOUNT OF PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT PARTICULAR DAY AND THE HOUSE HAD BEEN RENTED OUT, UM, TO THE, UM, CHAPMAN UNIVERSITY OR THEY, THEY WERE, UH, STUDENTS WERE DOING A STUDENT FILM THERE.
SO THIS ORDINANCE, UH, WOULD PROHIBIT THAT TYPE OF AN ACTIVITY IN THE, IN THE FUTURE.
THANK YOU, CHAIR, COMMISSIONER POWELL.
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ROY.WHEN I READ THE STAFF REPORT AND READ THE, UH, THE, PARTICULARLY THE ORDINANCES AND THE, UM, AND, AND, AND THE REMEDIES THAT YOU YOU'VE LISTED INSIDE, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY, HAS OUR CITY ATTORNEY LOOKED AT THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE REMEDIES THAT YOU HAVE EMPLOYED, PARTICULARLY THE ONES THAT THEY'D GO FROM INFRACTION TO MISDEMEANOR, WE'VE WORKED QUITE CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THEIR SUGGESTION TO, UH, MAKE IT A MISDEMEANOR.
SO, SO WAIT, SO WE PUT THAT IN AT THEIR ADVICE, BUT, BUT, AND FROM, FROM YOUR SURVEY, UH, AS YOU WERE TALKING, DARREN'S QUESTION, UH, WAS THERE ANY ISSUES WITH THE NEIGHBORING CITIES THAT HAVE, UH, GONE FULLY RESTRICTED? ABSOLUTELY.
WAS THERE ANY CONSTITUTIONALITY OF COMPLETELY IN THOSE CITIES TOTALLY.
WITHIN THE CITY'S POLICE RIGHTS TO NONE AT ALL? NONE AT ALL AS WELL.
UM, WHEN, YOU KNOW, I I'M, I'M SORRY.
I, I, I, I WASN'T AWARE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF, OF THIS, AND I SAW THE VIDEOS AND KIND OF GOT A, GOT A HANDLE ON IT.
HOW FAR BACK YOU, I THINK YOU AND I SPOKE, AND YOU HAD BEEN WORKING ON THIS AS, AS AN ISSUE, HOW FAR BACK HAS THIS? UM, WE PULLED THE RECORDS FROM PD TODAY.
UM, AND FROM JUNE OF LAST YEAR, TILL TILL DECEMBER OF 2020, WE'D RECEIVE 10 COMPLAINTS.
AND TO DATE THIS YEAR, WE'VE RECEIVED FOUR ALL ABOUT THIS LOCATION, SAME LOCATION EACH TIME.
AND, AND ARE THE, I'LL MAKE THIS, MY LAST ONE, THE, WHEN THE PD GOES OUT BASED UPON THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO REMEDY AVAILABLE TO THEM, NO JURISDICTIONAL REMEDY OTHER THAN FOR, UH, DISTURBING THE PEACE OR A NOISE COMPLAINT OR A NOISY APPEARANCE OF SOMETHING THAT THEY REALLY ARE HANDCUFFED WITHOUT SOMETHING.
BECAUSE IT CHALLENGING FOR THEM.
CAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY CAN DO AND THEY CAN ASK PEOPLE TO TURN THE NOISE DOWN.
AND, UM, BUT AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, THE NOISE ORDINANCE IS A VERY DIFFICULT ORDINANCE TO ENFORCE IT.
SO IF THE COMMISSION'S LEANING TOWARDS THE DIRECTION OF ALLOWING THEM THAT WILL, YOU NEED MORE TOOLS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT DISTURBING THE NEIGHBORHOODS I SEE.
REGARDING THE OPERATING PERMIT, WOULD THAT JUST BE THE ONLY PERMIT APPROVAL OR WOULD IT BE IN ADDITION TO A BUSINESS LICENSE? IT'S UM, WE ARE NOT DOING A BUSINESS LICENSE WHERE WE'RE CALLING IT AN OP OPERATING PERMIT.
UM, THERE'S LOGISTICS INVOLVED, UM, WITH THE BUSINESS LICENSE SECTION OF, OF OUR CODE.
UM, SO WHEN YOU ADD A NEW SECTION AND YOU, AND YOU CREATE FEES FOR BUSINESS LICENSES, THAT'S A TAX AND PER PROP TWO 18, THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO A CITY-WIDE VOTE.
SO, UM, TO, TO GET IT IN A WAY THAT WE COULD ENFORCE IT, WE'RE JUST CALLING IT A LICENSING FEE.
BUT WOULD THAT BECOME THAT WE CAN, WE CAN CHARGE A LICENSING FEE BASED ON TIME AND MATERIALS OF THE STAFF TO PREPARE AND ISSUE THE LICENSES.
SO WOULD THAT PERMIT CAPTURE, LET'S SAY THEY DO A RENEWAL OF AS FAR AS HOW MANY THEY'VE RENTED OUT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR OR WHATNOT TO LIKE TRACK IT, LIKE, LET'S SAY ONE PERMIT GETS ISSUED AND THEN THEY COME BACK FOR RENEWAL WITH THE RENEWAL TRACK, HOW MANY RENTALS THEY HAD FOR THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
IT WOULDN'T TRACK NUMBER OF RENTALS, BUT, YOU KNOW, JUST ORDER OF BUSINESS BEFORE YOU'D RENEW A LICENSE, WE'D RUN THE, UH, THE ADDRESS THROUGH PD TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN A HISTORY OF COMPLAINTS.
WE'D LOOK AT, SEE IF WE'D RECEIVED EMAILS FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, YOU KNOW, DID THEY ISSUE ANY CITATIONS? YOU KNOW, WE DO A FULL INVESTIGATION BEFORE WE WOULD RENEW.
AS FAR AS THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT AT ST.
IT'S 300 FEET, UM, HOW WOULD CONDOS AND TOWN HOMES COME INTO PLAY? LIKE, WOULD IT JUST BE ONE FOR THE ENTIRE TOWNHOUSES AND CONDOS ARE KIND OF A DIFFERENT ANIMAL AND A LOT OF THOSE HAVE ASSOCIATIONS AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT WOULDN'T BE PROHIBITED.
UM, BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THE ASSOCIATIONS THEMSELVES MIGHT GET MORE INVOLVED IN THEIR HOA BYLAWS TO ALLOW THAT SORT OF A, OF AN OPTION.
UM, BUT IF, IF THEY DID ALLOW IT AND YOU HAD A CONDO UNIT WITH, YOU KNOW, KEN UNITS IN IT, AND ONE OF THEM WAS RENTED OUT, THAT COULD ONLY BE THAT ONE BECAUSE THERE CAN'T BE ANOTHER ONE WITHIN 300 FEET.
SO IT'D BE FIRST IN FIRST OUT KIND OF KIND OF APPROACH.
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AND THEN LAST, UM, UNDER THE SUSPENSION AND RELOCATION OF THE OPERATING PERMIT.SO IT STATES HERE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE THREE VIOLATIONS OR MORE.
AND THEN AT THAT POINT IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE SUSPENSION BY THE DIRECTOR.
AND THEN AFTER, AT WHAT POINT WOULD IT MOVE IT UP TO A RELOCATION VERSUS A SUSPENSION? WELL, ONCE IT, ONCE IT'S SUSPENDED, WE'D DO AN INVESTIGATION DETERMINED AND MAKE A DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO SUSPEND IT, BUT, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE DUE PROCESS RIGHTS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A DOUBLE STEP PROCESS IN THAT CASE.
JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER, UM, A QUESTION LIKE THAT, YOU COULD BE DIRECTED TO US FROM THE LECTERN DURING A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO JUST HOLD TIGHT FOR A MOMENT ON THAT.
UM, VICE-CHAIRMAN KNOWS YOU'RE GOOD.
THAT'S IT FOR ME, YOU CAN JUST A FEW QUESTIONS FROM ME, ROY.
UM, THE DEFINITION IN TERMS OF DURATION OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, WHAT WOULD THAT BE? UM, I BELIEVE WE SAID IT AT A MINIMUM OF THREE DAYS, BUT AGAIN, IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE ANYTHING THAT YOU FEEL IS APPROPRIATE.
SO FOUR DAYS OR LONGER AS IT'S WRITTEN NOW, IF IT IS THREE DAYS, FOUR DAYS OR LONGER WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THE, THE, YES, THE, THE, THE THERE'S OTHER SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT COME INTO PLAY AND, AND SH SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS CONSIDERED UP TO 30 DAYS, UM, AT THE TIE AT THE HIGH END.
WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PREVENT SOMEBODY FROM RENTING IT FOR THE DAY OR A FEW HOURS TO JUST GO USE THE POOL FOR A PARTY OR SOMETHING THAT AFTERNOON.
UM, SO THE, SO IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY THAT'S LEGITIMATELY WANTS TO STAY FOR A BEYOND A WEEKEND, BEYOND A WEEKEND TYPE OF THING.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A SUGGESTION.
YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS THAT IN AMENDED, AS YOU FEEL APPROPRIATE.
AND THEN COULD YOU TELL ME MORE ABOUT THE CURRENT NOISE ORDINANCE IN THE CITY, UNRELATED TO THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE CONSIDERING THIS EVENING? JUST KIND OF A GENERAL OVERVIEW OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE AS IT IS TODAY.
SO THE NOISE ORDINANCE REGULATES THE MA THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF DECIBELS AT A PARTICULAR GIVEN TIME.
SO IN THE EVENING HOURS AF AFTER ABOUT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, YOU CAN'T EXCEED 55 DECIBELS WITH, FOR MORE THAN 15 MINUTES WITHIN A ONE HOUR PERIOD UNTIL EIGHT O'CLOCK THE NEXT MORNING.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHY YOU CAN SEE THAT'S KIND OF A CHALLENGE TO, UM, ENFORCE, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ONGOING PROBLEM, AND YOU CAN GO OUT, YOU KNOW, FOR A BUSINESS EXAMPLE AND YOU CAN GO OUT WITH SOUND METERS AND YOU CAN MEASURE NOISE FOR A WEEK.
YOU KNOW, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO SAY YOU'RE DOING A VIOLATION, I'M RESPONDING TO A PARTY.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CHALLENGING FOR, FOR PD TO ENFORCE THAT WHEN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GETS A CALL, THEY GO OUT AND IT'S CLEARLY LOUD.
UM, THEY JUST HAVE NO TOOLS TO KIND OF DETERMINE IF IT'S 55 DECIBELS, ET CETERA, FOR THE DURATION.
I MEAN, THEY, THEY, THEY DID THEIR BEST AND AGAIN, THEY, THEY TRY TO CLOSE THINGS DOWN AND GET PEOPLE TO VOLUNTARILY, UM, BEHAVE.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, TAKING THEM TO COURT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S REALLY NOT SUFFICIENT EVIDENCE IN A COURT WITHOUT NOISE READINGS.
AND THAT'S BETWEEN 10, 10:00 PM AND 8:00 AM.
SO A LOT OF CORRESPONDENTS AROUND 800 TEAKWOOD I THINK YOU SAID LAST YEAR FROM JUNE UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR 20, 20 10 NOISE COMPLAINTS AT THAT ADDRESS THIS YEAR FOR NOISE COMPLAINTS SO FAR, ARE YOU AWARE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY OTHER CALLS TO LOBBER PD AT THAT ADDRESS FOR ANYTHING UNRELATED TO NOISE THE LAST YEAR? NO.
THAT THAT'S THE ENTIRETY OF RESPONSES TO THAT PARTICULAR ADDRESS.
AND I GUESS I WILL, I WILL ADD, YOU KNOW, TH THESE ARE THE OFFICIAL POLICE REPORTS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, UM, WE, WE HAVE RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS, UH, JUST EXPRESSING CONCERNS AND COMPLAINTS, UM, TO, TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE DURING THAT SAME PERIOD OF TIME.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY THAT IS, BUT THERE'S MORE THAN THESE 10 RESPONSES.
AND THEN IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE, UH, IT TALKS ABOUT RESTRICTING THE USE OF POOLS AND SPAS, UH, IN THAT SAME TIMEFRAME BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 8:00 AM.
IS THERE A SIMILAR CITYWIDE ORDINANCE THAT RESTRICTS SUCH USE FOR RESIDENCES THAT ARE NOT SHORT-TERM RENTALS?
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NO.WE'RE WITH YOU, WE'RE USING THE MODEL.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE USING THIS AS A HOTEL, IT'S NOT ATYPICAL FOR A HOTEL THAT YOU GO OUT WHERE THEY CLOSED THE POOL DOWN AT 10 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, AND DON'T OPEN IT UP TO THE NEXT MORNING.
SO WE FELT THAT WAS A KIND OF AN APPROPRIATE STANDARD TO USE IN THIS CASE.
AND AS FAR AS WE KNOW, UM, BRIA, WHITTIER LAHABRA HEIGHTS AND LAMA RADA, NO REGULATIONS ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS, RIGHT.
AND IT'S FULLERTON, BUENO PARK, ANAHEIM, AND PLACENTIA THAT HAVE SOME MODIFICATION IMMEDIATELY AROUND US THAT ARE YES.
AND THEN WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER OUT TO TUSTIN VILLA PARK, GARDEN GROVE, AND IRVINE, THAT ABANDONED COMPLETELY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, ROY, FOR THAT REPORT AND ANSWERING THOSE QUESTIONS, WE'LL NOW OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT OR THE PROPOSED, UM, ORDINANCES IN FRONT OF US.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
MAYBE GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONER.
THAT IS PART OF THE QUARTER SOCK WHERE THE COMPLAINT IS BEING HEARD.
COULD YOU SPELL, COULD YOU SPELL YOUR NAME FOR US FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? G R O T H U E S.
OUR FAMILY OF SEVEN ARE STILL WITH ONE SOMEBODY ELSE, MISTY, MASS, US, THE ORIGINALS OWNER IN THE QUARTER SACK, OUR FIVE KIDS PLAYED WITH ALL THE OTHER KIDS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THERE WAS NEVER ANY CONCERN ABOUT SAFETY.
EVERYONE BUDDY KNEW EACH OTHER AND SHARED THE JOINTS AND CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AT THE TIME OF THE PURCHASE OF OUR HOME, WE WERE CLEARLY AWARE IT WOULD BE A ONE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT A SHORT-TERM NOW TO OUR DISMAY OVER TIME OF SEVERAL YEARS, THE CORNER RENTAL HOME HAS DISTURBED OUR PEACE AND SECURITY.
WE HAVE TO LOOK OVER THEM VERY CAREFULLY.
ONE REALLY DISTURBING EVENT WAS WHEN PEOPLE FROM THE RENTAL HOME INVITED PEOPLE FROM THE CITY OF LOS ANGELES.
THE CARS WERE PARKED UP AND DOWN THE SLEET, THE WHOLE QUARTER SACK, AND IT WAS NOISY.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE WERE HOTLY CLAD OR, AND A LOTS OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE, THE LEFT ON THE SIDEWALK AND NOISES LEECHING AT THE END, AT THE END OF THE QUARTER, SACK, EVEN US, ALTHOUGH AT THE END, THE END OF THE QUARTER SECTOR ARCH THE NOISE LEECHES US.
MY HUSBAND CARR HAS BEEN THE CO-FOUNDER AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOME OWNER'S ASSOCIATION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT IS, AND WAS A VOLUNTEER ASSOCIATION WITH VOLUNTEERS, FREELY GIVING.
IN ADDITION, EVERYBODY VOLUNTEERED TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD CLEAN OF DEBRIEFS AND CLEAR OF INTRUDERS AT I NEVER HAD MEETINGS IN JANUARY, THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OF AND CAME ALONG THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, ALSO THE CITY MANAGERS, AND THEY HAVE EXPRESSED THE ADMIRATION FOR EVERYONE'S WORKING TOGETHER TO LIVE IN A CLEAN AND SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ASK YOU TO DISALLOW ANY RENTAL PROPERTY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS.
THANK YOU, MS. MATTHEWS, AND I HAVE A LETTER HERE, SHALL I BRING IT FORWARD? SO HARD COPY.
ALSO, I EMAILED TO YOU ON THAT AGAIN.
I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR LETTER RIGHT IN FRONT OF US THAT HIGHLIGHTS MOST OF WHAT YOU JUST SHARED WITH US.
I LIVE AT 900 TEAK WOOD AVENUE AND THE SPELLING IS R A N D Y V A R G A S.
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UH, I WANTED TO INQUIRE AS FAR AS WHAT CONSTITUTES A COMPLAINT, BECAUSE I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THERE'S BEEN MORE THAN 10 COMPLAINTS LAST YEAR FOR THIS YEAR, THAT NIGHT ALONE, THE, OF THE PARTY THAT MS. COHES MENTIONED, EVERY NEIGHBOR COMPLAINED THERE.MUST'VE BEEN OVER 30, MAYBE MORE COMPLAINTS.
SO I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CONSTITUTES A COMPLAINT.
THE, YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THERE'S ONLY BEEN COMPLAINTS AS FAR AS NOISE COMPLAINTS.
HOWEVER, THERE'S ALSO BEEN ISSUES WHERE A CHILD ALMOST DROWNED IN THE POOL AT THAT HOUSE THIS YEAR, A, A RENTERS POSTED THE ACCESS CODE TO THE DOOR ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND PEOPLE GAINED ACCESS THE NEXT DAY AND WE'RE SWIMMING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
AND I'D BE HAPPY TO USE THE THREE MINUTES.
IF YOU GUYS WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THOSE THAT YOU WANT, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ANSWER THIS QUICK? YEAH.
WE'LL JUST DIRECT YOUR QUESTION TO STAFF AFTER THE MEETING, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.
I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE'LL HANDLE THAT.
MR. VARGAS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE FOR US TONIGHT? AH, NO.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING.
PERSPECTIVE, CHAIRMAN MADELEY AND COMMISSIONERS.
I'M NEIL SHAW, S H A H I M AT 8 41 TEAKWOOD AVENUE.
I'M A, I'VE BEEN THERE FOR NEARLY FOUR YEARS AND WE MOVED INTO THIS BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOOD BELIEVING THAT IT'S TRULY PARADISE.
AND WE STILL THINK, UH, ALL THE, OUR NEIGHBORS WHO ARE HERE ARE WONDERFUL PEOPLE.
AND SO I'M HERE TO FIRST ASK YOUR COMMISSION, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE, UH, CONSIDER REVOKING ANY SHORT-TERM RENTALS IN LAHABRA BECAUSE IT'S BECOME A NIGHTMARE.
AND I THINK SARAN FLYNN HAD SHOWN US ABOUT, UH, THE, UH, DIFFERENT, UH, BUSINESS MODELS THAT ARE THERE AND IN THE, UM, UH, IN THE POWERPOINT THAT WE JUST SAW, AND THERE ARE TRULY PEOPLE WHO RENT OUT ONE ROOM AND THEY REALLY NEED AN INCOME.
THIS PERSON WHO OWNS 800 TEAKWOOD IS A WEALTHY MAN, AND HE'S MAKING A LOT OF MONEY BECAUSE THE BUSINESS MODEL IS A MINIMUM OF FIVE DAYS OF RENTAL.
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IS $500 A DAY AND A MINIMUM, I BELIEVE 14 OR 15 PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO BE IN THAT HOUSE.
SO JUST BY DEFINITION, HAVING 15 PEOPLE A DAY FOR FIVE DAYS WILL TURN INTO A VERY NOISY AFFAIR.
SO FOR US IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, WERE IT TURNING INTO QUITE A NIGHTMARE? AND I KNOW THE RESIDENT AND THE NEIGHBORS RIGHT NEXT TO THIS HOME, IT MUST BE REALLY A HUGE NIGHTMARE.
BUT THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE SEEING IS THAT THIS IS NOT A JUST, OH, I NEED SOME INCOME TO JUST SURVIVE AND PAY MY MORTGAGE.
THIS IS TURNED INTO A BUSINESS.
AND SO MY REQUEST TO YOU IS THAT PLEASE, TO SAVE LAHABRA AND TO SAVE THE PEACEFUL NEIGHBOR THAT WE HAVE, THAT YOU, UH, CREATE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS THERE IS NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
AND SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I'M HERE FOR.
UH, THERE WAS SOME TALK OF HOW OTHER PEOPLE GET INVITED LATELY THE LAST YEAR OR SO.
IT'S TURNED INTO IT'S BEING ADVERTISED AS A PARTY HOUSE.
AND THIS IS WHERE WE ARE DRAWING THE LINE.
PEOPLE ARE HIRING DJS, MAKING NOISE TO LATE IN THE AFTERNOON EVENING.
AND HERE WE ARE SEVERAL HOMES OVER AND WE CAN HEAR THE NOISE ALL THE WAY INTO OUR HOMES.
SO WE STRONGLY URGE YOU TO PLEASE PASS OUR ORDINANCE, TAKE THE LEADERSHIP LIKE THE OTHER CITIES.
AND MR. ROSLYN MENTIONED AND MAKE THE, TURN THIS INTO A, A QUIET, PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, MR. PAUL WAS RECOMMENDED FOR ALL THE GREAT THINGS HE'S DONE AND I COMMEND YOU TRADER JOE'S IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE, MY WIFE, AND MY FAVORITE PLACE TO GO.
WE LOVE IT, BUT THERE IS COMMERCIAL AREAS WHERE YOU NEED TO SET UP THESE KINDS OF ENTERPRISES, NOT IN A PIECE FULL RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO AGAIN, COMMISSIONERS, I WOULD PLEASE URGE YOU TO PASS RESOLUTION THAT RICK RECOMMEND AND LAHABRA THERE SHOULD BE NO SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
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THANK YOU.UM, FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR LISTENING TO, YOU KNOW, OUR COUNTRY HERE, RESIDENTS AT TEAKWOOD AVENUE.
IT'S SPELLED E L I Z A B E T H.
LAST NAME CUEVAS, C U E V A S.
I AM A PROPERTY OWNER AT EIGHT 10 TEAKWOOD AVENUE.
UM, I MOVED TO LA BARBARA FOR OVER TWO YEARS WITHOUT KNOWING THAT NEXT DOOR TO ME WAS AN HOTEL SLASH AIRBNB FOR VACATIONERS.
I WAS UNAWARE OF THE MANY PROBLEMS. THIS PROPERTY HAS COST THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
UH, I MOVED TO LA BARBARA BECAUSE I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO HAVE PEACE AND TRANQUILITY TRANQUILITY.
UNFORTUNATELY IN THE YEARS THAT HAVE BEEN IN MY HOUSE, I HAVE NOT HAD ANY PEACE AT ALL.
IF I KNEW IF ALL THE ISSUES THAT THIS HOUSE HAS CAUSED AND IS STILL CAUSING, I WOULD HAVE RAN AWAY FAR AND NEVER HAVE BOUGHT IT LAST YEAR.
IN THE SUMMER OF 2020, THERE WERE MULTIPLE PARTIES WHEN THERE WAS A PANDEMIC.
UM, I HAVE DIFFERENT DATES HERE.
I'M AWARE THE, UH, PARTIES, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THESE PARTIES GOING ON IN JULY 20 TO 2020, UM, IN AUGUST, YOU KNOW, IT ESCALATED TO SEPTEMBER.
UM, LIKE PREVIOUS OWNERS HAVE MENTIONED, THEY'VE HAD DJS, THEY HAD A MULTIPLE PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THESE PEOPLE COME IN LARGE GROUPS MORE THAN 15.
UM, THE USE OF DRUGS HAS BEEN A CONCERN.
UM, SINCE I LIVE NEXT DOOR, I GET TO SMELL IT.
MY KIDS, I HAVE TWO KIDS ARE SITTING RIGHT THERE IN THE FRONT, GET TO SMELL THE, THE, ALL THE DRUGS.
UM, HONESTLY I COME FROM AN AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, SADLY, UM, THERE WERE DRUGS AND I DIDN'T WANT THIS FOR MY KIDS.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I MOVED HERE TO THE HARBOR.
UM, ANOTHER ISSUE IS THE STREET RACING TRASH LEFT BEHIND IN THE STREETS, THE NOISE, UM, IT'S NOISE THROUGHOUT THE DAY, EARLY IN THE MORNING.
UM, LATE AT NIGHT, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE, TWO IN THE MORNING.
UM, I CAN'T EVEN OPEN MY WINDOWS FOR THE SAME REASON BECAUSE OF THE SMELL OF DRUGS.
UM, I HAVE TO LET MY AC RUNNING ALL DAY.
UM, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT SEEMS LIKE UNFAIR THAT I HAVE TO PAY A HIGH BILL JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE RENTERS DECIDE TO USE THEIR DRUGS, THAT I HAVE TO CLOSE ALL MY WINDOWS, MY DOORS.
I HAVE TO KEEP MY KIDS IN SIGHT.
I CAN ENJOY MY BACKYARD, MY FRONT YARD.
I FEAR FOR THE SAFETY OF MY KIDS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT INTENTIONS THESE PEOPLE HAVE NEXT DOOR.
UM, THEY'RE HANGING UP OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, IN THE FRONT YARD.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S JUST AN ONGOING THING THAT HAS BEEN ESCALATING THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, THE YEAR.
UM, THE OWNER HAS BEEN NOTIFIED.
THE PROPERTY MANAGER HAS BEEN NOTIFIED, UM, WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING.
IF THEY JUST SHUT DOWN THEIR PHONES, THEY TURN OFF THEIR CELL PHONES.
THEY'RE THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT.
THEY WANT, THEY DON'T WANT TO RECEIVE ANY CALLS.
THEY DON'T EVEN CALL US BACK, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TO APOLOGIZE.
SO TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF IT, THIS, THIS, THESE ISSUES, NOTHING.
UM, I'VE BEEN ALSO, UM, MULTIPLE DAYS THAT I HAVE TO LEAVE MY HOUSE AND SLEEP ELSEWHERE BECAUSE OF THE NOISE, BECAUSE OF THE USE OF DRUGS.
AND, UM, JUST ALL THE THINGS THAT, THAT GOES AROUND IN THAT HOUSE.
UM, I SHOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THIS, I SHOULDN'T BE LEAVING MY HOUSE.
THAT'S THE REASON WHY I PURCHASED MY HOUSE.
UM, THE RENTERS, YOU KNOW, THEY STAY THERE, THEY ENJOY THE CONTINUE TO SMOKE.
UH, I, AND MANY TIMES I HAVE LEFT THE HOUSE BECAUSE OF THE NOISE, BUT IN REALITY, THERE WERE, THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE REPORTS, MORE POLICE REPORTS, BECAUSE AS SOON AS THE POLICE COMES, THEY CONTINUE WITH THEIR NOISE.
UM, I JUST HOPE YOU RECONSIDER.
UM, AND LIKE I SAID, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ALL THESE TESTIMONIES.
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LIKE I MENTIONED IN MY LETTERS, I HAVE MANY MORE VIDEOS.I HAVE MANY MORE PICTURES AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT THE WHOLE EMAIL TO BE LONG ENOUGH, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE THINGS THAT GO BEYOND THIS.
SO I, LIKE I SAID, I PLEASE CONSIDER PLEASE RECONSIDER, UM, NOT ALLOWING THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
ANYBODY ELSE? HI, GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS JOHN PASHA, J A L P A LAST NAME S H A H.
AND I LIVE AT 8 41 TEAKWOOD AVENUE.
WE'RE A LITTLE BIT FAR FROM THE RENTAL.
UM, SO MANY TIMES WE DON'T HEAR, UNLESS WE HAVE OUR WINDOWS OPEN.
WHAT I'D LIKE TO REALLY TALK ABOUT IS IT'S NOT JUST THAT PARTY THAT CAUSED ALL THE PROBLEMS. IT'S EVERY SINGLE TIME.
THERE'S SOMEONE WHO RENTS THEY'RE ALLOWED.
THEY, AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT 10 TO 8:00 AM, 10:00 PM TO 8:00 AM.
SOME OF US WORK WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HARDWORKING PEOPLE.
SOMETIMES WE WANT OUR PIECE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE COME HOME THINKING WE'VE PAID FOR THIS PROPERTY.
WE BOUGHT IT IN LAHABRA SPECIALLY YOU KNOW, LAHABRA SPECIALLY BECAUSE THIS IS A PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WHEN HE COME HOME AND PEOPLE ARE PLAYING MUSIC, THEY'RE LAUGHING.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE HAVING A GOOD TIME.
WHAT ABOUT US THAT WE WORK? YOU KNOW, WE WORK ALL DAY LONG.
WE JUST COME HOME FOR A LITTLE BIT OF PEACE AND WE DON'T FIND THAT AT HOME BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CLOSE OUR WINDOWS.
WE HAVE TO RUN THE AIR CONDITIONER.
WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST STAY OUT OF PEOPLE'S WAY.
THE OTHER DAY, THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY HIMSELF HAD A PARTY IN OUR FACE, RIGHT? IN OUR FACE.
THEY, THEY HAD A PARTY WITH 40 CARS OUT THERE.
THEY WERE PARKED ALL OVER THE STREET, 40 CARS.
THEY WERE SMOKING, THEY WERE LAUGHING, ABUSIVE LANGUAGE.
YOU KNOW, HOW FAR CAN WE GO? IT'S A PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU KNOW? SO I REALLY URGE YOU TO STOP THIS FOR US BECAUSE IT'S BECOME A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFERENT THING.
IF PEOPLE COME OUT AND RANT AND THEY'RE QUIET, THEY'RE JUST HERE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
BUT WHEN IT REALLY DISRUPTS, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AFFECTS OUR KIDS AND OUR PEACE IT'S TIME TO DO SOMETHING.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME.
THANK YOU, MS. SHAW, ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY.
WE'LL HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
SEEING NONE AT THIS TIME, THE COMMISSION WILL INVITE THE, UH, CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL CALL THEM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION AND OR A MOTION.
UM, MS. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD ADD JUST SOME POINT OF, UM, THOUGHTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION BEFORE YOU DELIBERATE AND ACT ON THE PARTICULAR ITEM, UM, THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER, UM, IS WHAT THE PURPOSE IS OF SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOODS.
IN REGARDS TO CHARACTERS, THAT'S CREATED A LIVABILITY OF THAT PARTICULAR SPACE.
UH, ALSO WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT THE VALUE OF SHORT-TERM RENT RENTALS BRINGS TO A PARTICULAR COMMUNITY IS A REAL VALUE THAT'S CREATED TO A COMMUNITY.
AS A RESULT OF THOSE PARTICULAR TYPES OF OPERATIONS.
YOU ALSO MAY WISH TO CONSIDER THE STANDARDS THAT ARE BEING ESTABLISHED, WHAT ACTIONS ARE GOING TO BE NECESSARY TO ENFORCE THOSE REGULATIONS, WHETHER THERE'S ADDED COSTS TO A CITY, ONCE YOU'VE ALLOWED, UM, THEIR OPERATIONS AND YOU'VE ESTABLISHED THOSE STANDARDS, UM, ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER WHAT ACTIONS THEN MUST BE TAKEN.
SHOULD YOU WISH TO MODIFY OR ELIMINATE AFTER YOU'VE ALLOWED THEM INTO A COMMUNITY? HAVE WE, UM, PROVIDED THEM WITH ANY PARTICULAR RIGHT OF OPERATIONS, UH, ONCE YOU'VE OPENED THE DOOR AND ALLOWED THE PARTICULAR OPERATIONS TO COME IN, UM, SO YOU CAN TAKE THE APPROACH OF ALLOWING, UM, THEM SUBJECT TO PARTICULAR CONDITIONS, OR YOU COULD TAKE A MORE CONSERVATIVE APPROACH, WHICH WOULD BE TO BAN THEM OUTRIGHT.
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SO THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMISSION.UM, CERTAINLY YOUR ACTIONS WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR ACTION, ALONG WITH ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU THIS EVENING.
THAT'S ALL I WOULD ADD TO THE CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
I'VE HEARD ALL THE TESTIMONY AND, UH, I, UH, APPRECIATE THE, UH, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED TO US, THE OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE PRESENTED TO US.
UM, I HAVE READ WITH SOME DETAIL, UH, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION HOW OTHER CITIES WITHIN OUR GENERAL NORTH ORANGE COUNTY AREA AND COMMUNITY HAVE, UH, SOUGHT TO EXAMINE AND LOOK AT THESE.
HOWEVER, I FIND THAT I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR IN THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA.
I CANNOT SEE ANY VALUE IN TRYING TO REGULATE AN UNREGULAR TYPE OF BEHAVIOR THAT WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO PROSPER ITSELF THROUGH CIRCUMVENTING THE AMENDMENTS, THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT CITIES HAVE TRIED.
I'VE SEEN THAT IN MY OWN CITY, WHERE AS A POLICE OFFICER, TRYING TO ENFORCE NOISE ORDINANCES, IT WAS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO, TO DEAL WITH THESE TYPE OF THINGS.
AND IT WAS EVEN MORE DIFFICULT, UH, TO TRY TO HELP THE COMMUNITY.
I FIND THAT THERE IS NO OTHER OPTION OTHER THAN I STRONGLY RECOMMEND, AND I AM WILLING TO MOVE A RESOLUTION COMPLETELY BANNING THE SHORT-TERM RENTALS WITHIN THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA, IN SUPPORT OF THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE SPOKEN TONIGHT.
THANKS, COMMISSIONER, PAL COMMISSIONER, NEXT AREA.
YOU KNOW WHAT, AND I WRESTLED WITH THIS TOO, UH, IN THE SAME WAY THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WRESTLED WITH IT AT ALL, BUT I DID IN THE BEGINNING.
AND, BUT I FELL BACK ON KIND OF WHAT JERRY MENTIONED, AND THAT'S THE COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS OF THIS SITUATION? WHAT VALUE DOES THIS REALLY BRING THE CITY OF LA BARBARA? IF WE WERE IN ANAHEIM OR WINTER PARK, WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF TOURISTS DESTINATIONS AND HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE FLOODING INTO THE CITY AND THEY PREFER TO STAY AT AIRBNBS BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THE HOTELS, BUT THAT WAS BRINGING IN TREMENDOUS REVENUE TO THE CITY, THIS SORT OF THING.
THAT MIGHT BE A DIFFERENT SITUATION, BUT THAT'S NOT LAHABRA.
AND WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE IS EVEN IF WE REGULATE THESE AIRBNBS, WE'RE JUST GOING TO CREATE A WHOLE NEW BUREAUCRATIC OVERLAY.
THE ENFORCEMENT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE, EVEN IF WE CAP THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT FOLKS COULD DO THIS, THEN YOU'RE PUTTING THE BURDEN ON THIS NEIGHBORHOOD TO COUNT THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT THEY APPEARED TO SEE PEOPLE STAYING THERE.
AND NONETHELESS, EVERY VIOLATION IS GOING TO BE A PHONE CALL, AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THERE'S GOING TO BE, UH, UH, UH, POTENTIAL COURT HEARINGS, THIS SORT OF THING.
UH, AND FOR WHAT, FOR WHAT? I JUST SEE NO BENEFIT.
I DON'T SEE HOW THIS IMPROVES THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR A HARBOR, ALLOWING THESE THINGS.
AND, UH, I SEE NO VALUE AT ALL.
SO I AGREE COMPLETELY WITH, UH, COMMISSIONER POWELL.
UH, I WOULD SUPPORT PROHIBITING THEM ENTIRELY.
THANK YOU, DARREN COMMISSIONER BURNEY.
MICHELLE, ARE YOU THERE? YEAH, I'M HERE.
UM, I'M REALLY GLAD WE GOT TO HEAR THE TESTIMONY OF THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS READING THEIR EMAILS.
I AM WITHIN THE COUNTRY HILLS, UH, UM, UH, THE WOODS AREA, IF I'M CLOSER TO IMPERIAL AND EUCLID, AND WE DO HEAR THE NOISE AND WE DO SEE THE LITERATE ALCOHOL WITH WHAT'S ON THE CURB.
WE WALK OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ALL THE TIME.
I KNOW I'M OUTSIDE THE 300 FEET RADIUS, BUT WE CAN HEAR IT.
AND I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES.
I DO NOT SEE THIS BEING SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD HAVE IN OUR, UM, QUIET COMMUNITIES ANYWHERE IN MY WHOLE DAY.
I AGREE FULLY WITH DARREN AND, UH, JERRY.
THANKS COMMISSIONER BURNEY, VICE MONOS.
SO, UM, AS FAR AS SHORT-TERM RENTALS OVERALL, YEAH, I DO SUPPORT IT.
UM, BUT IT'S NOT A ONE SIZE FITS ALL IN COMMUNITIES.
UM, I THINK THE BIGGEST THING FOR ME, AT LEAST HERE IN THE CITY OF LA BARBARA, IS I DON'T SEE US AS A DESTINATION FOR VACATIONING.
UM, NOW IF WE WERE ANAHEIM, IF WE HAD ECOTOURISM, IF WE HAD OTHER STUFF THAT THIS WAS FOLDED INTO A LARGER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORT ON THE CITY'S FRONT, THEN YEAH.
THEN AT THAT POINT, DEFINITELY SEE IT JUST LIKE CHAIRMAN ASSYRIAN STATED LOOKING AT A COST ANALYSIS AND LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE.
BUT, UM, I MEAN, LABA IS BEAUTIFUL.
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KNOW, I'M A HOMEOWNER AND SO FORTH, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY NOT A VACATION DESTINATION WHERE PEOPLE ARE LINING UP TO GO TO OUR PARKS AS A VACATION.SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF DENYING OUTRIGHT, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS.
YEAH, I, I CAME HERE TONIGHT, I THINK LIKE MAYBE DARREN DID KIND OF WRESTLING WITH, WITH ALL OF THIS AS WELL.
I THINK THE PART, YOU KNOW, FOR THE RECORD THAT IS MOST DISCOURAGING IS REGULATING SOMETHING THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO REGULATE.
UM, THE IDEA OF A SHORT-TERM RENTAL OCCUPANTS OWNER PLAYING BY A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES THAN SOMEBODY AT THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, UM, THAT CAN BE HAVING A PARTY THAT'S LOUDER, MORE DISRUPTIVE WITH MORE DRUGS, WITH WHATEVER.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE RESIDENTS HAVE EXPERIENCED, UM, AS FAR AS THE NOISE GOES, THAT HOUSE NEXT DOOR, IF IT'S NOT A SHORT-TERM RENTAL IS VERY DIFFICULT TO REGULATE.
AND THEN THIS HOUSE WOULD BE, UM, IMPOSSIBLE, UH, VERY, VERY EASILY TO REGULATE WITH, UM, ONE OF THE OPTIONS BEFORE US TONIGHT.
SO THAT, THAT DIDN'T SIT WELL WITH ME.
UM, CAUSE I THINK WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED BAD NEIGHBORS PERIOD, WHETHER THEY WERE SHORT-TERM RENTERS OR NOT.
UM, SO THAT DIDN'T SEEM LIKE A VERY VIABLE SOLUTION, UM, MYSELF, UM, HEARING WHAT THE REST OF THE COMMISSION HAS SHARED, UM, AND TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
UM, I'M PREPARED TO HEAR A RESOLUTION THAT SOMEBODY WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT YOU'RE CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
UH, I WOULD MOVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA HARBOR RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE PROHIBITING SHORT-TERM RESIDENTIAL RENTALS IN THE CITY OF ALHAMBRA.
ALL SECOND DEAD MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER POWELL AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ZARIAN WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL COMMISSIONER PAL? YES.
IT WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL CONSIDERATION.
ARE THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS THIS EVENING FROM STAFF? YES.
MR. CHAIRMAN UNCHARACTERISTICALLY.
I HAVE A LOT TO SAY TO HIM BEN, ONE OF OUR LONGER MEETINGS IN A WHILE.
SO WHAT'S ANOTHER FIVE MINUTES, RIGHT? WELL, FIRST, FIRST OF ALL, ON, ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE CITY STAFF AND MOST PARTICULARLY THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, WE WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER PAL AND HIS DEDICATED DUTY TO THE SEA OF LAHABRA FOR WAY MORE THAN JUST HIS SEVEN YEARS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
HE'S BEEN INVOLVED ON MANY DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND BEEN A VERY VALUABLE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY.
AND, UH, WE WISH HIM THE BEST OF LUCK AND HOPE HE ENJOYS THAT TERRIBLE WEATHER IN SAN DIEGO AND PLAYING WITH HIS GRANDKIDS.
UH, SO FOR OUR NEXT MEETING ON JULY THE 12TH, YEAH, WE WILL BE HAVING, UH, A NEW COMMISSIONER WILL BE SITTING IN, SO, UM, ESTHER ROJAS WHO WAS SELECTED AS AN ALTERNATE AT THE LAST, UM, TIME COMMISSIONER APPOINTMENTS WERE MADE, UH, HAS BEEN SELECTED TO, UH, FILL IN MR. PALS, UM, POSITION FOR, UH, THE NEXT NINE MONTHS.
AND, AND UNTIL IT'S TIME TO DO DO APPOINTMENTS AGAIN, UM, YESTERDAY HAS A MASTER'S DEGREE IN CITY AND REGIONAL PLANNING.
SO I THINK SHE'LL BE A GOOD, GOOD ADDITION TO THE COMMISSION.
OF COURSE I'M BIASED TO PLANNERS, BUT YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS WHERE SHE GOT HER DEGREE FROM.
AND LASTLY, MR. HARDY MEALS SITTING DOWN THERE AT THE END OF THE TABLE AND HE WAS GOING TO DITCH OUT AND NOT BE HERE TONIGHT.
AND THIS IS OFFICIALLY HIS LAST MEETING BEFORE HIS RETIRES.
AND I CAN'T EVEN TO SAY WHAT A, WHAT A PLEASURE AND HONOR IT'S BEEN TO WORK WITH CARLOS FOR THE LAST 36 YEARS.
YOU'RE AT THE CITY OF LA HABRA.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE'S MEMORY ARE, BUT THINK BACK HOW LA HARBOR WAS 36 YEARS AGO AND THINK OF WHAT LA HARBOR IS TODAY.
AND A LOT OF WORK GOES INTO MAKING THAT HAPPEN.
AND CARLOS HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN ALL OF THAT AND HE'S GOING TO BE MISSED.
SO THANK YOU TO MY BUDDY, CARLOS, FIRST,
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ANDREW NOW, CARLOS, ROY, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.SO THAT IS ALL THE COMMENTS I HAVE FOR THIS EVENING.
THANKS COMMISSIONER AND EXPERIAN.
YOU KNOW, I'VE KNOWN CARLOS A LONG TIME TOO.
UM, AND BOY, YOU KNOW, SUCH A SMART, INSIGHTFUL INCISIVE GUY, IT'S BEEN SUCH A PLEASURE FOR A LONGEST TIME.
I WAS SITTING AT THAT CHAIR RIGHT THERE NEXT TO YOU.
AND YOU'RE THE GUY I TALKED TO THE MOST.
AND EVERY TIME WE HAD ANY EXCHANGE AT ALL IS A TIME WHEN I LEARNED SOMETHING.
UH, AND JUST ASIDE FROM YOUR OVERALL GREAT PERSONALITY AND SENSE OF HUMOR HAS BEEN JUST A TRUE PLEASURE AND PRIVILEGE SERVING WITH YOU ALL THESE YEARS TO CARLOS AND SO NOTHING BUT THE VERY HIGHEST AND BEST HOPES FOR A, FOR A HAPPY, HEALTHY RETIREMENT.
AND THANK YOU FOR MENTORING ALL OF US ON THE COMMISSION.
AND, UH, JERRY, YOU KNOW, YOU LIKE TO MAKE JOKES ABOUT, HEY, I'M NOT THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED THING IS YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN THE SHARPEST TOOL IN THE SHED AND YOU HAVE BROUGHT SO MUCH VALUE TO THIS COMMISSION.
YOU'VE WORKED SO HARD AND AGAIN IS ROY INDICATES IS ALMOST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE SO MUCH FOR THIS COMMUNITY OVER THE YEARS.
IT'S JUST, YOUR GIVING HAS BEEN RELENTLESS AND UNSTOPPABLE.
AND FOR THAT, WE ALL OWE YOU A GREAT DEBT OF GRATITUDE.
SO AGAIN, THE VERY BEST TO YOU AND A HAPPY HEALTHY RETIREMENT.
I LIKE TO SAY TO JERRY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HELPING ME NAVIGATE THE, THE COMMISSION.
YOU'VE BEEN WONDERFUL SOURCE OF INFORMATION FOR THE WHOLE CITY.
YOU AND I HAVE DONE QUITE A BIT IN THE CITY AND I SO APPRECIATE YOU FOR THE LAST SIX YEARS NOW YOU'RE LEAVING ME AND I'LL BE THE SENIOR.
THAT'S NOT GREAT, BUT I REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GERIA.
I HOPE, UH, I HOPE GOOD THINGS FOR YOU, AND I KNOW YOU'RE EXCITED TO SEE YOUR GRANDKIDS CAUSE YOU WITH YOUR FAMILY.
I WISH YOU TO HAVE JUST A WONDERFUL RETIREMENT NOW AND I'M CARLOS.
I SAT NEXT TO YOU ALL THESE YEARS.
I THINK, UM, IT'S BEEN REALLY FUN.
AND THEN YOU AND I HAD GONE TO, UH, QUITE A FEW CONFERENCES TOGETHER.
IT WAS REALLY NICE MEETING YOUR WIFE, THE LOVELY LADY, UH, UM, I I'M REALLY GONNA MISS YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH TO BOTH OF YOU.
UH, VICE-CHAIR MUNOZ, UH, JERRY CARLOS, BEST OF LUCK TO BOTH OF YOU.
I KNOW I'M KINDA NEWER TO THE COMMISSION, SO I DIDN'T WORK WITH YOU GUYS SO CLOSELY, BUT THE TIMES THAT I DID, UM, DEFINITELY APPRECIATE ALL THE HARD WORK AND DEDICATION THAT YOU GUYS HAD TO THE COMMISSION, OR MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO THE COMMUNITY OF THE HOMBRE.
YOU GUYS WILL DEFINITELY BE MISSED AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD, THANKS, MANNY, CARLOS IS GOING TO MISS YOU AS WELL.
JUST THE, UH, A KIND KIND SOUL.
UM, AND, AND I AGREE WITH WHAT DARREN SAID, YOU KNOW, JUST THE PERSPECTIVE, EVEN THE PERSPECTIVE THAT YOU OFFERED US TONIGHT.
UM, JUST VERY INSIGHTFUL, JERRY, YOU WERE, UM, THE CHAIR WHEN I JOINED THE COMMISSION AND, AND I REMEMBER THAT AND, UH, I DON'T THINK I COULD HAVE BEEN IN BETTER HANDS AT THAT POINT THAN YOURS.
SO JUST APPRECIATE THE LEADERSHIP THAT YOU PROVIDED FOR THE COMMISSION FOR SO LONG.
AND I KNOW THAT, UM, PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF HATE MOMENTS LIKE THIS BECAUSE YOU DO IT, UM, FOR THE COMMUNITY AND YOU DON'T DO IT FOR YOURSELF AT ALL, BUT IT'S, UM, I THINK NECESSARY FOR US TO FEEL LIKE WE RECOGNIZE YOU.
SO THANK YOU FOR HUMORING US AND ALLOWING US TO DO SO.
UH, YOU WILL BE MISSED GREATLY, UH, HOPE YOU ENJOY EVERYTHING THAT'S TO COME FOR YOU.
WELL, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR KIND COMMENTS.
I REALLY DON'T LIKE TO BE IN THE SHOWCASE YOU WOULD, AS YOU PROBABLY KNOW, ROSE, AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR TONS AND TONS OF YEARS.
I'VE LIVED IN THE HARBOR SINCE 1965 AND, UH, GREW UP IN THE WHITTIER LA HARBOR AREA.
SO I'VE, I'VE LIVED HERE ALL MY LIFE.
AND I DO REMEMBER 36 YEARS AGO OR LONGER WHEN, WHEN WE ALL STARTED AND THE RISING AND DIFFERENT CITY MANAGERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON.
THE FIRST THING I BECAME IN THE CITY, UH, WAS A MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL BOARD.
I WAS APPOINTED TO FILL A TWO-YEAR TERM ON, UH, ON A MEMBER WHO HAD RESIGNED MUCH LIKE, UH, THE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO FILL OUT MY TIME AND WENT ON TO SERVE 16 YEARS, UH, AS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER IN THE CITY.
AND THEN FROM THERE SERVED ON A FEW OTHER COMMISSIONS, CITY, WIDE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT AND PERSONNEL COMMISSION.
AND, AND NOW THE LAST, ALMOST EIGHT YEARS REALLY ON THIS COMMISSION.
UH, MY KIDS WENT SOUTH THOUGH.
THEY DIDN'T STAY HERE AFTER, AFTER THEY GRADUATED FROM LAHABRA HIGH SCHOOL, THEY MOVED TO SAN CLEMENTE AND SAN DIEGO.
SO OUR DAUGHTER HAS GRACIOUSLY ALLOWED ME AND MY WIFE TO COME AND LIVE WITH THEM FOR A WHILE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'LL LAND DOWN SOUTH SOME PLACE,
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BUT A HARBOR WILL ALWAYS BE IN MY HEART.I'M GRATEFUL FOR EVERY MOMENT FROM SINCE 1965.
AND WELL, BEFORE THAT TO BEEN HERE.
SO BLESSINGS TO ALL OF YOU, I WISH YOU THE BEST.
I WISH THE NEW MEMBER THE BEST.
AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRACIOUS HELP AND SUPPORT AND ROSE THE COUNCIL.
THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOU'VE DONE AND MY BEST WISHES.
APPRECIATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY COMING OUT TONIGHT AND, UM, SHARING THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT'S GOING ON.
OFTEN WE SEE THE COMMUNITY COME IN FOR DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING.
AND AS SOON AS, UM, THE ISSUE THAT'S OF CONCERN TO THEM IS OVER THEY LEAVE.
UH, AND IT, IT ALWAYS IRKS ME A LITTLE BIT THAT, UM, IF WE CARED SO MUCH ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY FOR THAT, WHY DON'T WE STICK AROUND SO GLAD TO SEE YOU GUYS, UH, HERE WITH US FOR THE ENTIRE MEETING AND, UM, TO KIND OF PAY TRIBUTE TO JERRY AND CARLOS AS WELL.
SO TONIGHT I WOULD ASK THAT WE ADJOURN OUR MEETING IN MEMORY OF THE YEARS OF SERVICE TO THIS GREAT CITY, UH, THAT BOTH JERRY POWELL AND CARLOS HARM YOU HAVE, UH, HAVE GIVEN TO THE CITY AND TO ITS RESIDENTS.
AND WITH THAT, THIS MEETING IS NOW ADJOURNED TO MONDAY, JULY 12TH.