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AT THIS TIME, THE MEETING WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER.WILL THE AUDIENCE PLEASE STAND AND JOIN COMMISSIONER ROJAS
[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, AUGUST 22, 2022 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.]
FOR IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, ONE NATION UNDER WELL, THE SECRETARY, PLEASE CALL ROLL.CHAIR MUNOZ, COMMISSIONER MANLEY, COMMISSIONER SEARCH, EAR COMMISSIONER BERNIER.
YEAH, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENT SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE.
SPEAKING TIME, AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEMS OF CITY BUSINESS, NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION BY 4 9 5, 4 0.3, A SUCH COMMON SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
ALL MATTERS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE REQUESTS SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOAN TO AN INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE.
SPEAKING TIME, AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF ON REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS A CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE AND TWO.
ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM NUMBER NEAR COMMISSIONER MANLY? NO COMMISSIONER SHREK, NO VICE CHAIR ROLE HAS NO.
AND NO FOR ME ALSO NO EMOTION COMMISSIONER SURGE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE MOTION, UM, TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
CAN I RUN INTO THE VOTES PLEASE? MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO.
MOVING ON TO PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.
THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THE STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM.
THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST.
AND THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
AFTER ALL HAVE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTIONS IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE ELECTRUM.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU WILL FIND THE SPEAKER CARDS ON THE TABLE AND THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND SPELL THE NAME FOR THE RECORD.
PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.
THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGES BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR COMMENTS AND TO BE KEPT BRIEF NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL NATURE.
THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS A DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING FOR CON UH, CONSIDER A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF LAHABRA TO APPROVE A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT 22 DASH 31 ADOPTING THE 21 20 21 20 29 6 CYCLE HOUSING ELEMENT OF THE HARBOR GENERAL PLAN 2035.
DO WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? COPIES OF PREVIOUS CORRESPONDENCE WAS PUT ON THE DAYAS FOR YOU TO VIEW AND THEN AS ATTACHMENTS, RIGHT.
AND DO WE HAVE A SEPARATE PORT? YES.
SO TO START WITH, UM, WHEN YOU'RE ADOPTING A HOUSING ELEMENT, IT REQUIRES A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, UM, WHICH REQUIRES
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SQL REVIEW.SO IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE FOR OUR GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, SINCE WE ARE NOT DOING ANY REZONINGS, UM, OR THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANY ACTUAL PROJECT BEING CONSTRUCTED AT THIS TIME, THE PROJECT FALLS UNDER THE CATEGORY OF BEING EXEMPT AS IT IS JUST AT THIS POINT, JUST POLICIES AND PROGRAMS AS PROJECTS COME ALONG IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS WILL INDIVIDUALLY BE SUBJECT TO C CWA.
SO JUST TO KIND OF RECAP, SOME OF THE STUFF WE'VE TALKED ABOUT AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, UM, STATE LAW REQUIRES EVERY CITY TO HAVE A GENERAL PLAN.
UM, THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS ONE OF THE SEVEN ELEMENTS AND THE HOUSING ELEMENTS, THE POLICY DOCUMENT THAT, UM, PUTS TOGETHER THE PLANS FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE HOUSING NEEDS AND IDENTIFIES A STRATEGY FOR MAKING THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.
UM, AND THE HOUSING ELEMENTS, UH, FOR EVERY EIGHT YEARS.
AND THIS IS THE ONLY ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN.
THAT MUST ALSO BE CERTIFIED BY THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.
SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE.
SO WE'VE, UM, HAD A NUMBER OF PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS WITH THE GENERAL PLAN ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND THIS WAS PRIOR TO THE FIRST TIME THE COMMISSIONER HEARD THIS IN JULY OF LAST YEAR.
UM, THE DRAFT ELEMENT THROUGH ALL SINCE THEN, ALL THE WAY THROUGH NOW HAS BEEN POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITES AS WE'VE DONE UPDATES.
UM, IT'S VERY COMMENT LETTERS THROUGH THE PROCESS.
WE'VE POSTED THE MOST CURRENT COPY TO THEM, TO THE WEBSITE.
SO IT'S BEEN TOTALLY AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC.
UM, AT THE LAST COMMISSION MEETING WAS ON, ON JULY THE 26.
AND AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING, IT WAS NOBODY IN THE AUDIENCE THAT ADDRESSED THE COMMISSIONER HAD ANY COMMENTS ON THE DOCUMENT.
UM, THE ONLY COMMENT WE HAD WAS THE, A LETTER FROM THE KENNEDY CENTER, WHICH HAS BEEN PLACED BEFORE YOU JUST AS A FOR REVIEW.
UM, BUT AGAIN, EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THAT LETTER HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY BOTH THE COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL AND ALL THOSE ITEMS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE DRAFT OF THE ELEMENT.
SO THE TIMELINE OF, FROM WHERE WE STARTED TO WHERE WE ARE, SO WE, IN JULY OF 2021, WE HAD PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND THEN YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHO HEARD IT ON AUGUST THE 16TH, AND THEY ADOPTED A MOTION TO SEND THE DRAFT TO HTD FOR REVIEW.
UM, THE FIRST DRAFT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT ACTION WE SENT ON SEPTEMBER THE SECOND.
UH, WE GOT A RESPONSE LETTER BACK FROM HCD ON NOVEMBER THE FIRST AND WORKED ON THAT RESPONSE.
AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED THE SECOND DRAFT IN MARCH OF THIS YEAR.
AND THEN WE HAVE FORWARDED THOSE COMMENTS BACK TO HCD AFTER THE COUNCIL APPROVED IT.
AND THEN WE RECEIVED AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT LETTER, UH, FROM HCD IN WHICH IT GETS US WHERE WE'RE AT TONIGHT.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING AWAY ON THIS FOR QUITE A NUMBER OF MONTHS.
WE'RE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH HCD TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE ADDRESS THEIR COMMENTS, WHICH ARE JUST MOSTLY CONCERNS ABOUT ADDITIONAL DATA.
THERE'S NOTHING STRUCTURALLY WRONG WITH THE ELEMENT.
SO IT'S JUST KIND OF SOME CLEANUP.
AND I THINK I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THAT STUFF ALREADY.
UM, SO THE UPDATES FROM THE MAY 23RD LETTER THIS YEAR THAT WE RECEIVED THAT, THAT, THAT THEY'RE ASKING FORWARD IN FIVE AREAS, OR THEY ASKED US TO LOOK AT THE SITE INVENTORIES THAT THE ADU USE THE AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHERING FAIR HOUSING AND CERTAIN CITY CODES THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE AMENDED TO REMOVE, UH, WHAT ARE CONSIDERED CONSTRAINTS.
SO THAT WOULD BE, IF SOMETHING REQUIRES A CUP THAT'S CONSIDERED, COULD BE CONSIDERED A CONSTRAINT AND DO WE NEED TO REQUIRE THAT CUP OR CAN WE MAKE THAT GO AWAY? AND THEN AGAIN, JUST ADDITIONAL DETAILS ON TIMELINES AND IMPLEMENTATIONS.
SO YOU'VE READ THIS IN YOUR REPORT.
THIS SLIDE BASICALLY COVERS, UM, WHAT, WHAT THE CITY HAS DONE TO ADDRESS THESE COMMENTS.
AND I ALSO HAVE WITH ME TONIGHT, MR. MARK HOFFMAN FROM PLACE WORK, WHO DRAFTED THOSE COMMENTS FOR US, AND HE WILL BE HERE TO ANSWER ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE REGARDING THOSE ITEMS. AND THEN AGAIN, SINCE, SINCE THE LAST, UH, LETTER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH HCD AND WE BELIEVE THAT WHAT WE HAVE NOW, UM, WILL BE VIA ADOPT, BE CERTIFIED BY HCD.
THE NEXT TIME WE SEND IT, WE BELIEVE WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THEIR COMMENTS.
SO AT THAT POINT, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME,
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OR IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS, WE GO, MARK CAN COME UP AND ANSWER THOSE FOR YOU.AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, COMMISSIONER BREA NEAR, UH, ROY THAT BY DOING THIS, NOW THIS WILL PUT US IN FULL COMPLIANCE BY THE OCTOBER 15TH DEADLINE, RIGHT? CAUSE THIS WILL GO TO COUNCIL BACK TO COUNCIL.
WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S TWO LEVELS OF COMPLIANCE.
WE, WE WILL BE COMPLIANT IN THAT IF THE COUNCIL APPROVES IT, WE WILL HAVE AN ADOPTED HOUSING ELEMENT, BUT YOU'RE NOT LEGALLY INTO COMPLIANCE UNTIL HCD CERTIFIES IT.
CAN I SHARE MANLY? NO QUESTIONS, COMMISSIONER ZURICH, ROY.
SO WHEN DOES HCD, UM, GIVE THEIR FINAL IS THAT AFTER CITY COUNCIL REVIEWS FROM TODAY'S MEETING.
SO ONCE THE, WE TAKE IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL IN SEPTEMBER AND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL PASSES THE MOTION TO ADOPT IT, THEN THE NEXT DAY WE WILL SEND IT BACK TO HCD, UH, REQUESTING CERTIFICATION.
SO JUST TO CONFIRM ALL OF THE, I GUESS, FEEDBACK THE HCD PROVIDED IN THAT LETTER HAS BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE, I WAS TRYING TO FOLLOW IT, BUT THERE'S A LOT IN THERE, SO YEAH.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE WASN'T ANYTHING THAT WASN'T, THAT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO RESPOND OR PROVIDE SOME SORT OF FEEDBACK WITHIN OR, OR REVISED REVISION TO THE DRAFT.
NO, THE, THE, THE CHALLENGE, THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN SINCE THE FIFTH CYCLE HOUSING ELEMENT IN THIS CYCLE IS A NUMBER OF THE LAWS HAVE CHANGED IN HCD HAS A BIT MORE TEETH THAN THEY HAVE IN THE PAST.
AND A LOT OF THE THINGS THEY'RE ASKING US TO DO ARE SUBJECTIVE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE THERE'S A REAL SOLID OBJECTIVE STANDARD FOR EVERYTHING BASED ON ALL THESE NEW LAWS.
SO THERE'S LOTS OF ROOM FOR INTERPRETATION.
SO PART OF OUR ONGOING EFFORTS WITH HCD IS AGREEING ON AN INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THE LOSS ACTUALLY SAYS AND WHAT WE PUT IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT.
UH, JUST QUESTION ONCE IT GETS ADOPTED AND THEN HOPEFULLY CERTIFIED BY HCD THE IMPLEMENTATIONS RIGHT AWAY, OR, I MEAN, I KNOW IT'S PHASED, YOU KNOW, CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PROGRAMS IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT, BUT WILL THAT PORTIONS OF IT GET STARTED RIGHT AWAY OR WHAT'S THAT TIMELINE ONCE IT'S CERTIFIED, UM, THAT WILL MOVE ALL THE PROGRAMS AND GOALS AND POLICIES BECOME EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY.
UM, AND THE HOUSING CYCLE IS, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY STARTED IN 2020.
SO AT ANY HOUSING UNIT THAT'S BEEN BUILT IN THE CITY SINCE JULY OF 2020 COUNTS IS MEETING THE RENA NUMBER IN THIS HOUSING ELEMENT.
SO RIGHT NOW, WITHOUT HAVING AN ADOPTED ELEMENT, EITHER APPROVED UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR VERY FIRM COMMITMENTS FROM DEVELOPERS THAT ARE WAITING TO SUBMIT, WE ALREADY HAVE ABOUT 450 TO 500 UNITS.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE ABOUT 50 OR 60 80 USE THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED DURING THAT TIME TOO.
SO WE'RE WELL ON OUR WAY TO MEETING OUR 800 NUMBER ALREADY.
AND THEN, UM, ANNUALLY FOR THE ANNUAL REPORT, DOES THAT COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST AS A FILE AND RECEIVE, OR ARE YOU GUYS JUST SUBMIT JUST SO WE CAN KIND OF SEE THE PROGRESS OF THE IMPLEMENTING THAT TYPICALLY THAT JUST GOES, UM, STAFF TAKES CARE OF THAT AND SENDS THAT TO THE STATE.
UH, I'M SURE THAT IF YOU GUYS WANTED TO HAVE A LOOK AT IT, UH, DIRECTOR WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM SHARING THAT WITH YOU.
TYPICALLY IN MY EXPERIENCE THAT WOULD GO TO, UM, THE CITY COUNCIL FOR KIND OF THEIR REVIEW BEFORE WE SEND IT TO HCD.
SO IT WOULD BE ON THE COUNCIL'S AGENDA.
UH, BUT WE WOULDN'T LOOK AT IT JUST CAUSE I'M CURIOUS TO SEE KIND OF LIKE WHERE THINGS WOULD BE GOING AFTER WE START IMPLEMENTATION.
AND THEN ONGOING, UM, THOSE ANNUAL REPORTS ARE ALL AVAILABLE ONLINE AT H CDS WEBSITES.
SO EVERY, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE IN THE PUBLIC HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SEE HOW DIFFERENT CITIES ARE PROGRESSING.
THAT'S IT FOR QUESTIONS, JEREMY MUNOZ.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR ROY, UM, THE ADS THAT ARE BEING APPROVED AND IN THE WORKS NOW THEY'RE COUNTING TOWARDS THAT 800 PLUS NUMBERS.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
WHERE ARE WE ON THAT NUMBER? OKAY.
I, SOMETIMES YOU GOT SO FAR THIS YEAR, EITHER ALREADY APPROVED OR IN THE WORKS WE'RE AT ABOUT 30.
AND I THINK WE HAD ABOUT 25 OR 26 LAST YEAR AND MAYBE 24, 25 THE YEAR BEFORE THAT.
AND THE THING WITH ADU IS BECAUSE OF
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WHAT THEY ARE AND THE, AND THE SIZE AND THE RENTS PEOPLE ARE CHARGING FOR THE, THOSE, UM, THEY HELP US MEET OUR LOW AND, AND LOW MOD AND VERY LOW NUMBERS, WHICH ARE THE HARD POINTS TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MARKET RATE AND ABOVE, OR TYPICALLY PRETTY EASY FOR CITIES TO, TO GET THOSE.SO THIS, THIS, THIS HELPS US WITH THE ONES THAT ARE HARD TO GET.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT'S GOING TO HELP US OF COURSE, IS THE POLICY FOR THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE.
SO THAT MEANS EVERY, EVERY PROJECT THAT COMES BEFORE YOU FOR THE NEXT DAY, EIGHT YEARS, WE'LL HAVE BE MANDATED TO PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABLE UNITS.
SO THAT ACTUALLY LEADS RIGHT INTO MY NEXT QUESTION FOR YOU.
I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE WELL ON OUR WAY TO MEETING THAT 800 AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, AND YOU MAY NOT HAVE THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S TOTALLY FINE, BUT HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE LOW INCOME, MODERATE INCOME HOUSING UNITS? BECAUSE I KNOW ONE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE WAS THE FACT THAT THE CITY ACTUALLY HAS A HARD TIME.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE CREATED LOTS OF UNITS, BUT NONE OF THEM HAVE REALLY BEEN ABLE TO MEET THAT QUALIFICATION.
I, MARK MIGHT NOTE, I DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER OFF, OFF OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
UM, BUT WE, WE CAN, UH, LOOK THAT UP.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE HE'S LOOKING AT ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I'M CON I WAS THINKING ABOUT, LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE THE PROGRAMS AND STUFF, AND I HAD TALKED TO, UM, UH, SUSAN ABOUT THIS TO MAKE SURE THAT, UM, WERE SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE LISTED IN HERE.
AREN'T EXACTLY SAID, UM, WE CAN ADJUST THOSE, RIGHT.
IS THAT WHAT OUR CONVERSATION WAS EARLIER? UM, WE CAN ADJUST THEM IF HCD DOESN'T FIND THE MED COMPLIANCE, BUT THOSE WILL BE THE PRO.
THIS IS THE ADOPTION OF THE HOUSE ELEMENTS.
SO THOSE PROGRAMS ARE WHAT YOUR ADOPT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING FOR ADOPTION BY THE COUNCIL TONIGHT, COUNCILS THE ONES WHO ACTUALLY DO THE ADOPTION OF IT.
IF WE HAPPEN TO SEND OUR HOUSING ELEMENT TO HCD, AND FOR SOME REASON THEY FIND US DEFICIENT IN ONE AREA OR ANOTHER, WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT.
IT'S SOMEWHAT MORE LED BY HCD THEN.
BECAUSE WE'RE, THEY'RE FINDING US IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW.
SO WHAT WE'RE HOPING IS THAT OUR IMPLEMENTATION ITEMS ARE THOSE ITEMS THAT WILL BE IN COMPLIANCE.
AND AS ROY SAID, IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF A TIGHT ROPE WALK BECAUSE MANY OF THE THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT SUBJECTIVE AND IT'S WORKING TO AN AGREEMENT ON WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY DOES THIS MEAN? HOW CAN WE, FOR INSTANCE, HOW CAN WE PROJECT, HOW MANY 80 YEARS ARE GOING TO BE AFFORDABLE? IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PROJECT INTO THE FUTURE.
YOU CAN JUST SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE EXPECT TO GO, UM, YOU KNOW, RADER AND ACD MAY SAY, NO, WE THINK IT SHOULD BE LESS.
SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING INFORMALLY FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS.
AND THEN WE'LL BE FORMALLY SUBMITTING THE DOCUMENT TO THEM FOR THEIR APPROVAL.
AND THAT'S WHERE THAT 300, 400 NUMBER COMES IN.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO ACTUALLY BE DONE FOR THE ADU NEWS CAUSE PEOPLE SUBMIT FOR ADS AND THEN THEY DON'T END UP DOING IT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GIVE IS ON THAT.
I'M THE NUMBERS I'M GIVING YOU ARE ACTUALLY PERMIT ISSUED.
SO WE HAVE PERMITTED ISSUED YEAH.
30, BUT WILL WE MEET THE 400 THAT'S ON THERE? AND THEY'RE SAYING, HUH, THE CURRENT NUMBER IS 240.
AND WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE AFFORDABLE BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY SURVEYED ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE BUILDING THEM AND ASK THEM WHAT RENTS ARE GOING TO CHARGE.
SO WE HAVE A SURVEY THAT DOCUMENTS THAT THEY'RE ALL AFFORDABLE WITH RENTS, AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO TRACK THAT THOUGH.
AND SO WE PROVIDE AN ANNUAL REVIEW TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEN GETS FORWARDED ON TO HCD EVERY YEAR AS PART OF THAT.
ONE OF THE IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES THAT I BELIEVE KICKS IN FIRST OR SECOND YEAR, UM, AND MARK, AND CERTAINLY HE KNOWS THE SPECIFICS ON IT, BUT IF WE'RE NOT MEETING THE GOALS THAT WE ANTICIPATE IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROGRAMS. SO LIKE WITH THE USE, MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PRO PUBLICIZE IT ENOUGH.
SO FOLKS KNOW THE OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A SECOND UNIT ON THEIR HOME.
SO THERE'S KIND OF CHECKS AND BALANCES IN IT.
AND THAT'S WHAT THAT ANNUAL REVIEW PROCESSES IS.
UM, US REPORTING OUT TO BOTH CITY COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC ON WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS HOUSING, AS WELL AS TO HCD.
AND THERE'S A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THAT.
AND THERE ARE CERTAIN, UM, PENALTIES, IF YOU'RE NOT MEETING YOUR RENA ALLOCATION.
MY NEXT QUESTION THAT, UM, SOME OF THOSE PENALTIES ARE WHAT'S KNOWN AS SB 35, WHICH ALLOWS FOR DEVELOPERS TO COME IN.
AND IF THEY MEET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, ONE OF WHICH IS PROVIDING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT.
THEN THOSE ARE, UM, SUBJECT TO A STREAMLINED PR UM, PROCESSING.
AND SOMETIMES THERE'S, UM, DEPENDING ON HOW FAR OFF YOU ARE,
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IT CAN RESULT IN THERE BEING VERY LITTLE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW THAT THE CITY HAS ON THIS HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A STRUGGLE, CAUSE IT GENERALLY MEANS THAT.
SO WE'RE GOING TO BUILD SUBSTANDARD HOUSING BECAUSE WE'RE NOT BUILDING HOUSING.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'D MUCH RATHER SEE HOUSING BUILT TO OUR CODES AND STANDARDS, BUT THERE ARE SOME RELAXATIONS OF CODE THAT START TO HAPPEN IF WE'RE NOT MEETING OUR GOALS BECAUSE THEY FEEL LIKE THOSE THINGS MIGHT BE CONSTRAINTS, THE HOUSING BEING DEVELOPED.
NOW WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE THE BEST HOUSING WE CAN HAVE SO THAT THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, CONTINUES TO REFLECT WHAT LABRUM.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, MARK, THAT'D BE HELPFUL.
IF YOU CAN COME TO THE YEAH, THANK YOU.
UM, YES, FOR THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, UM, WHAT IT REQUIRES IS THAT, UM, THE CITY WOULD MONITOR THE PRODUCTION LEVELS AND THE AFFORDABILITY LEVELS EVERY YEAR IS PART OF THAT REPORT THAT SUSAN HAD MENTIONED THE APR AND THAT IF THERE IS A DEFICIT, IN TERMS OF EITHER PRODUCTION OR AFFORDABILITY, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STEPS THAT THE CITY WOULD TAKE TO EITHER INCREASE PRODUCTION OR TO FIND ADDITIONAL SITES TO MEET THE GAP.
BUT USUALLY USUALLY THE INCENTIVES TO INCREASE PRODUCTION OR SUFFICIENT.
WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS, VERONICA? NOPE.
WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
VERONICA, DO WE HAVE NO SPEAKERS? OKAY.
WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL CALL IN THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR A DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
WITH YOUR PERMISSION, MR. CHAIR, UH, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AND RESOLUTION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA HARBOR, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT 22 DASH ZERO ONE ADOPTING THE 2021 TO 20 29 6 CYCLE HOUSING ELEMENT OF THE LAHABRA GENERAL PLAN, 2035 AS PER ATTACHMENT A SECOND.
ALL RIGHT, SO WE ARE FIRST FROM COMMISSIONER MANLEY AND THE SECOND FROM COMMISSIONER BRUNNER, EVERYONE, PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO, AND THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO, UH, ITEM NUMBER TWO, DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR A ZONE CHANGE.
22 DASH ZERO TWO FOR AN AMENDMENT TO TITLE 18 ZONING OF THE LAHABRA MUNICIPAL CODE CHAPTER 18 POINT 12 SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SECTION 18 POINT 12.140 OUTDOORS, A SEATING AREA MODIFYING THE OUTDOOR SEATING REQUIREMENTS FOR RESTAURANTS.
DO RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.
DO YOU HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES.
UM, SO ON THIS TOPIC, A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND, UM, IN 2020 IN THE MIDST OF THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC, UH, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT APPROVED A 41 TEMPORARY OUTDOOR DINING PERMITS, UH, ON MAY 2ND, 2022, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE 1839 TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS FOR THOSE OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS IN RESPONSE TO THE POPULARITY.
THAT ORDINANCE CHANGED THE THRESHOLD BETWEEN WHETHER OR NOT THE OUTDOOR DINING PERMIT REQUIRED AN ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT OR A CUP MODIFICATION FROM A FIXED 250 SQUARE FEET TO A PERCENTAGE OF THE RESTAURANT'S TOTAL FLOOR AREA AT 25%.
AND THEN ON AUGUST 1ST OF THIS YEAR, CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO INITIATE AN AMENDMENT TO FURTHER MODIFY THAT ZONING CODE.
SO THIS TABLE PROVIDES JUST A SUMMARY OF WHERE IT CURRENTLY STANDS.
UM, THAT THRESHOLD BEING AT 25% OF THE RESTAURANTS, TOTAL FLOOR AREA, UM, THE FEES ARE A LOT DIFFERENT FOR THE ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT OR THE CUP MODIFICATION, UM, 3 34 VERSUS 4,368.
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UM, ADDITIONALLY THAT THREAT, THAT THRESHOLD SETS THE LINE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT A PARKING STUDY IS REQUIRED.AND THEN AS IT STANDS CURRENTLY, UH, ALCOHOL SERVICE IS DEPENDENT ON WHETHER OR NOT THE RESTAURANT CUP, UM, MAKES MENTION OF IT, UH, DEPENDING ON THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, UM, THEY COULD NEED AN ADDITIONAL MODIFICATION TO A CUP.
UH, SO THAT COULD BE TWO CUP MODIFICATIONS, UH, TO INCREASE THEIR OUTDOOR DINING AND ALSO SERVE ALCOHOL AT THAT OUTDOOR DINING.
THE PROPOSED CHANGES RAISE THAT THRESHOLD TO 50% AS WELL AS, UH, ALLOWS FOR ALCOHOL SERVICE, UM, TO BE PERMITTED THROUGH AN ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT.
UM, AS LONG AS THAT OUTDOOR DINING AREA IS UNDER 50% AND THEN A CUP MODIFICATION, UM, IF IT IS OVER 50%, IT ALSO RAISES THE THRESHOLD FOR WHETHER OR NOT A PARKING STUDY IS REQUIRED.
SO IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT A RESOLUTION RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE APPROVING ZONE CHANGE 2202.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS, IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF, COMMISSIONER BURNER, NO QUESTION SOME GOOD COMMISSIONER MANLEY, MICHAEL, JUST ONE QUESTION FOR NOW, DO THOSE FEES, UM, THAT BIG DISCREPANCY, DOES THAT REFLECT ANY COST OF THE REQUIRED PARKING STUDY OR IS THAT INCLUDED IN THOSE FEES, BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PARKING STUDY.
SO THE PARKING STUDY WOULD BE LIKE AN ADDITIONAL COST TO THE OPERATOR.
DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA LIKE WHAT THAT COST IS ROUGHLY? UM, NO.
UM, COMMISSIONER MAINLY DEPENDENT ON THE TYPE OF PROJECT, THE TYPE OF RESTAURANT, WHETHER IT'S IN A SHOPPING CENTER, THAT'S LARGE LIKE THE MARKETPLACE VERSUS A SMALL STRIP CENTER.
REALLY THE COSTS THAT ARE INVOLVED BETWEEN THE CUP AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT IS THIS MEETING RIGHT HERE.
IT'S THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH NOTICING WITH WRITING THE STAFF REPORT, REVISING THE STAFF REPORT, WRITING THE RESOLUTION, ALL THAT ADDITIONAL WORK TAKES TIME VERSUS AN ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT, WHICH IS GENERALLY APPROVED THROUGH A MEMO.
WE CAN INCREASE THOSE FEES AND WE CAN ALL GET PAID A LITTLE BIT MORE TOO, WOULD THAT, OH, THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE.
IT'S TO ACTUALLY REFLECT THE TIME THAT WE SPEND.
UH, AND THANK YOU, MICHAEL COMMISSIONER ZURICH.
UM, NOT REALLY COMMENTS, WELL, UM, QUESTIONS, BUT MY COMMENT IS I'M, I'M REALLY HAPPY SINCE THE PANDEMIC HAPPENED.
IT REALLY HAS HELPED SO MANY BUSINESS OWNERS AND RESTAURANTS, UM, THE RESTAURANTS WITH NOT HAVING TO SHUT DOWN COMPLETELY.
SO, YOU KNOW, I'M HAPPY THAT THEY'RE MAKING SOME ADJUSTMENTS AND OF COURSE, IF IT FALLS WITHIN OR WITHOUT THE, UH, LESS THAN, OR MORE THAN THE 50%, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL NEED ADDITIONAL
BUT I REALLY FEEL THAT THIS IS, THIS IS A GOOD STEP FOR OUR, UH, RESTAURANT OWNERS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS ABOUT 40 OR 41 TEMPORARY DINING PERMITS.
SO ARE THOSE 41 PERMITS? ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO AN ADMINISTRATIVE PERMIT OR ARE THEY JUST GOING TO GET GRANDFATHERED IN OR HOW HOW'S THAT GONNA WORK FOR THOSE THAT ALREADY HAVE THOSE TEMPORARY ALLOWANCES? UH, SO THERE ARE ONLY FOUR REMAINING AS THE, UNDER THE CURRENT CODE.
UH, TWO OF THEM COULD BE APPROVED VIA AN ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT AND TWO WOULD REQUIRE A CUP MODIFICATION, UH, WITH THIS, UH, CODE CHANGE.
ALL OF THEM SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE APPROVED, UM, VIA ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT.
MICHAEL HAD JUST TO CLARIFYING FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS ALL ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, CORRECT? THIS HAS NOTHING LIKE IF WE HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT'S ABUTTING THE PROPERTY LINE AND THEN THEY WANT TO HAVE OUTDOOR DINING ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY, THAT WOULD BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE, RIGHT? LIKE THROUGH LIKE AN ENCROACHMENT PERMIT, PUBLIC WORKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT GENERAL ADDRESS THAT W THE CITY'S CURRENTLY WORKING ON, WHAT'S KNOWN AS A PARKLET PROGRAM, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THAT TYPE OF AN OUTDOOR DINING EXPERIENCE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, AT THIS TIME.
I KNOW MANY OF OUR SURROUNDING CITIES HAVE.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THOSE CITIES TO SEE HOW THEY ARE PERMITTING THEM.
WE'RE HOPING TO COME FORWARD WITH A PLAN.
IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CHALLENGING FOR MANY REASONS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT.
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AND MANY OTHER REASONS.BUT THE, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS SOLELY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A CLEAR DISTINCTION, SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT.
UM, AND THEN SECONDLY, WITH, UH, I KNOW, I KNOW SOME ARE LIKE TEMPORARY OUTDOOR DINING, BUT ARE THEY GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BE MORE PERMANENT? CAUSE I SEEN SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN KYLE IN THE PARK, IN THE PARKING LOT.
WELL, IT'S JUST, I THINK FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, ONCE THEY BECOME MORE PERMANENT, LIKE, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT TO MAKE SURE IT IS MORE OF A PERMANENT FIXTURE FOR THAT OUTDOOR, LIKE WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING, IF THEY'RE DOING FENCING, IF THEY'RE DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW WE GO ABOUT IN APPROVING THE OUTDOOR APPLICATION.
UH, THEY WOULD STILL NEED TO SUBMIT PLANS.
UM, EVEN IF IT'S JUST AN ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT, UH, TO THE PLANNING STAFF, UM, THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED.
IT JUST NECESSARILY WOULDN'T GO TO PUBLIC.
BUT AT THAT POINT WE WOULD LOOK AT IT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THEY'RE PROPOSING IS MORE ON A PERMANENT BASIS AND NOT SO MUCH LIKE TEMPORARY WHERE THINGS CAN KIND OF FALL OVER AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
IT WOULD NEED TO COMPLY WITH OUR CURRENT ZONING STANDARDS, UM, AS ANY OUTDOOR DINING WOULD, UM, IT JUST ALLOWS FOR MORE AND, AND IMMUNE, AS YOU MAY RECALL, WHEN WE REVIEWED THIS ORDINANCE EARLIER THIS YEAR, WE DID CREATE MUCH HIGHER QUALITY STANDARDS.
YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT WHAT WE SPILLED DURING THE PANDEMIC WAS KIND OF, OKAY, LET'S GET IT OUT THERE.
AND IT'S FROM BOTH STAFF AND I'M SURE THE COMMISSION, WE KNOW THAT WE EXPECT A HIGHER QUALITY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERMANENT OUTDOOR SEATING.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO.
WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO ALRIGHT.
WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
UM, WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION, UM, RESOLUTION.
THE RESOLUTION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF THEY'LL HAVE A RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDER APPROVING ZONE CHANGE 2202, TO AMEND THE TITLE 18 ZONE OF THE LABRUM MUNICIPAL CODE, L H M C CHAPTER 18.12 SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, SECTION 18, 12, 1 40 OUTDOOR SEATING AREA MODIFYING THE OUTDOOR SEATING REQUIREMENTS FOR THE RESTAURANTS AS PER EXITED A, UM, ALL SECOND, THE MOTION, EVERYONE, PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO, AND THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR REVIEW AND APPROVAL.
MOVING ON TO COMMENTS FROM STAFF.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF? CHAIRMAN IS, OH, I'M SORRY.
MY LIGHT IS ON AND OFF CHAIRMAN.
I JUST WANT TO INFORM THE COMMISSION.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY ITEMS READY TO BE SCHEDULED FOR THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER AND THAT, UM, THE NEXT AVAILABLE, UM, SCHEDULING DATE WOULD BE THE SECOND, SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.
AND I, I JUST HAD A QUICK INNER DUCK INTRODUCTION FOR THE PERMISSION.
HE'S GOING TO BE OUR CITY ATTORNEY WHO WILL BE REGULARLY ATTENDING OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS.
MOST PLANNING COMMISSIONS HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY THAT ATTENDS THEIR MEETINGS.
AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT BOTH SONIA AND I SAW IN OUR PREVIOUS CITIES AS BEING REALLY EFFECTIVE.
AND SO WE'VE ASKED FOR THAT AND WE GOT IT.
AND SO WE'RE HOPING THAT BARON WILL BE A GREAT ADDITION TO OUR TEAM AND FEEL FREE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CONCERNED MAYBE ABOUT THE LEGALITY OF SOMETHING, THIS IS NOW OUR RESOURCE FOR THOSE, THOSE ITEMS. SO REALLY GLAD TO HAVE THEM HERE.
AND THEN I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT AS WE ADJOURN TO THE MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 26, THAT'LL BE ROY'S LAST MEETING FOR REAL.
AND, UM, HE WILL BE HAVING A RETIREMENT PARTY ON OCTOBER SIX FOLLOWING THAT, BUT WE, UM, WE'LL DEFINITELY BE ACKNOWLEDGING ROY'S GREAT IMPACT THAT HE'S HAD WITH CILLA HOPPER AT OUR NEXT MEETING.
UM, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS WELCOME.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT ASSET TO ALL OF US.
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU.
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COMMISSIONER ZURICH, ANY COMMENTS? UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY TO, UM, TO BARRON, UH, WELCOME.WE APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THE TIME TO JOIN US.
IT IS VERY NICE WHEN, UM, THE CITY ATTORNEYS HERE AND ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM, UH, FROM THE PUBLIC, IT REALLY HELPS TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION.
OUR STAFF DOES A TREMENDOUS JOB IN HANDLING ALL THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERING THEM, BUT IT IS ALWAYS NICE JUST TO FALL BACK ON, ON LEGAL, IF WE NEED TO.
AND ROY, AGAIN, WE ARE GOING TO MISS YOU.
UM, SINCE STAFF HAS RELAYED THAT THERE ARE NO ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR SCHEDULED, UH, FOR THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 12TH AND SEEING THAT THERE IS NO FURTHER BUSINESS.
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED TO MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 26TH, 2022.