Aug 28, 2023 Planning Commission

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HERE WE

[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, AUGUST 28, 2023 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.]

AT THIS TIME, THE MEETING WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER.

WILL THE AUDIENCE PLEASE STAND UP? STAND AND JOIN COMMISSIONER MANLEY IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

READY TO BEGIN P ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FORWARD TO STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, LIBERTY AND JUSTICE PAROLE.

PLEASE BE SEATED.

WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL CHAIR ROJAS.

HERE.

VICE CHAIR S HERE.

COMMISSIONER BEIER.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER MANLEY.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER MACHA HERE.

THANK YOU.

PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR ALONE TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.

FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA FOR GOVERNMENT.

CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A.

SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? THIS IS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.

SOMETHING FOR ON THE AGENDA.

OKAY.

THEN THAT, THAT'LL BE FOR THE AGENDA? YES.

OKAY.

THAT'LL BE AT A LATER TIME.

THANK YOU.

THERE'S TWO CARDS AT THE PODIUM.

IS THAT OKAY? TWO CARDS AT THE PODIUM.

OKAY.

IS MINE GOT IT? OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT.

SEEING, UH, SEEING NO, NO PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, WE WILL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.

UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUEST SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED, ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.

PUBLIC COMMENT SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AN OR LONG TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE AND TWO.

ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED.

FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM? ITEM? IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO HAVE AN ITEM REMOVED? OKAY.

HEARING NONE, MAY I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.

SECOND.

MOVED BY COMMISSIONER MALLEY AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER.

UM, VENEER.

EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTE.

MOTION PASSES.

FIVE ZERO.

THANK YOU.

WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.

THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THE STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM.

THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST AND THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.

REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.

AFTER ALL HAVE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTIONS IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.

IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE LECTERN.

WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU WILL FIND THE SPEAKER CARDS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.

WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.

THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGES BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.

PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS ONE.

DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE FOLLOWING.

ONE.

REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PRECISE PLAN 22 DASH ZERO TWO TO CONSTRUCT A 3,875 SQUARE FOOT DUAL TENANT BUILDING AT SEVEN 11 EAST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.

AND TWO, REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 22 DASH 31 TO OPERATE A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT, UM, ALSO KNOWN AS DUNKIN DONUTS WITHIN ONE TENANT SPACE AT

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DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? WE DID NOT.

DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? THANK YOU, CHAIR.

GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS.

THE FIRST ITEM BEFORE YOU TONIGHT IS A REQUEST BY MR. PATEL, THE APPLICANT, UM, TO CONSTRUCT A NEW TWO-UNIT COMMERCIAL, UM, BUILDING AT SEVEN 11 EAST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY AND TO ALSO REQUEST THE OPERATION OF A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT, UM, UNDER DUNKING DONUTS, UH, WITHIN ONE OF THE TENANT SPACES AND RESERVE THE SECOND TENANT SPACE FOR A FUTURE RETAIL USE.

THE SITE IS LOCATED, UH, NORTH OF IMPERIAL WITH COMMERCIAL USES AND INDUSTRIAL USES TO THE, UM, SIDES AND TO THE NORTH AND RESIDENTIAL TO THE SOUTH.

THE SITE IS PART OF A MASTER PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2018.

THE MASTER PLAN INCLUDES FOUR PROPERTIES, WHICH INCLUDES A, UH, HOTEL UNDER LA QUINTA INN AND SUITES.

UH, IT INCLUDED TWO DRIVE-THROUGHS, ONE OF WHICH WAS THE SUBJECT SITE.

UM, IT WAS THE POPEYE'S, UH, LOUISIANA KITCHEN.

UH, THE APPLICANT FOR THAT PROJECT DID NOT MOVE FORWARD WITH IT.

AND THE OTHER, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH IS THE TACO BELL, UH, TO THE EAST AND THAT'S BEEN, UM, HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND IS UNDER OPERATION.

AND, UM, THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDED, UM, A RETAIL SPACE, UH, TO THE NORTH UNDER PARCEL FOUR, WHICH, UM, EVENTUALLY WAS APPROVED FOR A, UM, HALLMARK RETAIL STORE, UM, THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN 2022.

ALL OF THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, RELATED TO THE UTILITIES, UM, DRY VIALS AND, UM, ONSITE AND OFFSITE IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED.

THE PROPOSAL BEFORE YOU TODAY IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.

THE APPLICANT IS PROPO, IS ORIENTING THE BUILDING IN A SIMILAR LAYOUT AS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED WITH THE DRIVE-THROUGH, WRAPPED AROUND, UH, THE FRONT OF THE SIDE AND WITH A LARGE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.

THE BUILDING COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE REQUIRED, UM, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.

A TOTAL OF 23 PARKING SPACES ARE PROVIDED, WHICH COMPLY WITH CODE.

A TRAFFIC ASSESSMENT WAS CONDUCTED, WHICH DETERMINED THAT OTHERS LESS THAN SIGNIFICANT, UM, TRAFFIC IMPACTS.

THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE BUILDING.

ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU SEE DUNKIN DONUTS, WHICH INCLUDES FIVE TABLES THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE UP TO 18 SEATS AND THE VACANT RETAIL SPACE TO THE LEFT.

THE BUILDING WILL HAVE A CONTEMPORARY STYLE, UH, DESIGN AND WE'LL INCLUDE ALSO, UM, BROWN, UH, WOOD AND SIDING AND LIGHT RATES STECCO, UH, TO COME TO BE CONSISTENT AND COMPATIBLE WITH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLES AND FEATURES, UM, OF THE OTHER BUILDINGS.

UM, ON THE MASTER PLAN N THE DUNKING DONUTS, UH, UNIT ALSO INCLUDES, UM, ACCENT COLORS AND, UM, DARKER SHADES THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE DUNKING DONUTS BRAND DESIGN.

A TOTAL OF THREE, UM, WALL SIGNS ARE PROPOSED WITH TWO, UM, DIRECTIONAL SIGNS AND ALSO THE DRIVE-THROUGH MENU AND CANOPY SIGN.

A Q ANALYSIS WAS CONDUCTED FOR THE DUNKING DONUTS.

THE ANALYSIS DETERMINED THAT, UM, THE SITE HAS MORE THAN SUFFICIENT SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, WHICH IS NINE VEHICLES, UM, AND ALLOWS, UM, THREE ADDITIONAL, UH, VEHICLES FOR THE ADDITIONAL OVERFLOW.

UH, WITHOUT IMPACTING THE DRY VIALS AND THESE SURROUNDING USES, OVERALL STAFF WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE FINDINGS FOR THE, UM, TWO APPLICATIONS.

THE, UM, PROPOSED THE PROPOSAL WILL INTEGRATE WELL WITH THE MASTER PLAN IN TERMS OF DESIGN, SCALE AND STYLE, AND WILL BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE SURROUNDING USES.

STAFF DID NOT RECEIVE ANY COMMENTS, UH, REGARDING THIS APPLICATION.

IN TERMS OF THE, UM, QUA, UH, THE PROJECT WAS INITIALLY, UM, NOTIF NOTICED, UM, TO BE, UM, IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CERTIFIED M AND D THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE MASTER PLAN, BUT WITH FURTHER, UM, STAFF WITH FURTHER ANALYSIS, IT WAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROJECT ACTUALLY QUALIFIES AS A CATEGORICAL EXEMPTION.

AND THIS IS, UM, NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL AS ON THE RESOLUTIONS AND THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.

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THE FIRST ONE WILL BE, UM, TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE, UM, PRECISE PLAN.

AND THE SECOND ACTION WILL BE TO APPROVE THE C U P 22 DASH 31 TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH WITHIN ONE OF THE 10 SPACES.

THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, VANESSA.

AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

GO AHEAD.

HEY, COUPLE QUESTIONS JUST FOR CLARIFICATION.

UM, THE 23 DESIGNATED PARKING SPACES, CAN YOU MAYBE PULL UP THAT SLIDE? I'M TRYING TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE ARE.

SURE.

SO THE, THERE'S A FEW, UM, LIKE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE, AND THEN THERE'S THE, IS IT THE ONES YOU'RE REFERRING TO IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING? IS THAT IN LIKE THE GRAY AREA? CORRECT.

OKAY.

AND THEN, UM, TO THE NORTH THERE'S A FEW ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AND THOSE HAVE LIKE A HASH DESIGN ON THEM.

SO THOSE BOTH, UM, THOSE TWO AREAS, TOTAL 23 PARKING SPACES.

AND THEN ON THE TOP OF THAT PROPERTY LINE ON THOSE LIKE HASHED PARKING SPACES, UM, WHAT IS THERE THAT DISTINGUISHES THE PROPERTY LINE THERE? THAT'S NOT A WALL? NO, IT'S NOT.

IT'S JUST THE, THE LINE OF THE PROPERTY DEPICTED ON THE PLANTS.

UM, THERE ARE NO WALLS SEPARATING THESE PROPERTIES.

UM, IT'S, UH, THE SITE ACTUALLY THAT THE MASTER PLAN WAS APPROVED WITH A SHARED PARKING AND A RECIPROCAL ACCESS.

UM, SO THERE'S NO WALL THAT DIVIDES THE PARCELS FROM ONE ANOTHER, JUST THIS INVISIBLE KIND OF PARCEL PROPERTY LINE.

OKAY.

YEAH.

AND THEN IN THE, JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY.

UM, IN THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION AND QING ASSESSMENT, THE, THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WOULD BE 12 VEHICLES.

UM, IS THAT RIGHT? IT WOULD BE NINE.

IT WOULD BE NINE.

AND, AND, AND THE QUEUE CAN HOLD UP TO 12, CORRECT? YEAH, THE NINE PLUS AN ADDITIONAL THREE MM-HMM.

, UM, THAT'S WHAT THE ASSESSMENT KIND OF CALLS FOR.

IF, IF IT WENT BEYOND THE 12.

MY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M LIKE SEEING THIS ACCURATELY.

THE BACK OF THE LINE, THE 12TH CAR IS GONNA BE POINTING AT MY SCREEN IS IF YOU COULD SEE WHERE ON MY FINGER IS, BUT, UM, KIND OF ON THE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE MM-HMM.

WHERE THAT LAST CAR IS.

RIGHT.

AND SO IF, IF VEHICLES NEEDED TO KIND OF QUEUE UP BEYOND 12, UM, WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE PATH JUST NORTH OF LIKE THAT GRADE AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS SCREEN, THAT'S JUST KIND OF CONCRETE DRIVE.

IT'S A DRIVE AISLE, YES.

OKAY.

BUT I DO WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE THAT THERE IS A CONDITION IN THE PROJECT THAT WILL REQUIRE THAT THEY PROVIDE A TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN.

SO THAT'S NOTED IN THERE SHOULD ANY ISSUES OCCUR.

AND, UM, THE OUR TRAFFIC, UM, ENGINEER, UM, NOTED THAT YOU DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY CONCERNS BECAUSE THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UM, CUING OF THE VEHICLES ON THE SIDE WITHOUT SPILLING OVER INTO LIKE THE MAIN DRIVEWAYS OR ONTO THE STREET.

OKAY.

PERFECT.

UM, NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME AT THIS TIME.

SO JUST TO BACK ON THAT, UM, QUESTION JASON HAD.

SO LET'S JUST SAY THE NINE VEHICLES ARE IN THERE AND THE THREE EXTRA, AND IT DOES DESIGNATE THAT, UH, ADDITIONAL THE 13TH, 14TH, OR 15TH CAR, ESPECIALLY DURING THE, UM, THE EARLY STAGES OF THE PROJECT WHEN IT OPENS.

UM, WILL SOMEONE FROM DUNKING DONUTS BE THERE TO KIND OF GUIDE THE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC IF THAT IS NECESSARY? YEAH, SO UNDER THE TRAFFIC CONTROL PLAN, UM, THEY DO HAVE TO NOTE HOW STAFF WILL MANAGE THE PARKING ON SITE AND THEY DO REQUIRE, UM, STAFF MEMBERS TO BE ON THERE.

THANK YOU.

UH, WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE WILL HEAR FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT IF THEY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION FOLLOWED BY ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION IF THEY'RE PRESENT AND WISH TO DO SO? HI, MY NAME IS PRAG PATEL.

UM, I'M THE APPLICANT.

UM, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS WITH, I JUST LIKE TO SAY HI, AND WE'RE EXCITED TO BE HERE.

GREAT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS ITEM? PLEASE COME FORWARD.

HI.

HI, MY NAME IS GREG JONES AND I'M WITH JONES REAL ESTATE AND WE ARE, UM, ONE OF THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS HERE.

AND IT'S BEEN A LONG HAUL.

UH, WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS PROJECT FOR PROBABLY OVER 20 YEARS, SO WE HAVE A LOT OF HISTORY ON THIS AND WE ARE GLAD TO SEE THE FINAL PIECE OF IT COMING TOGETHER.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE?

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MY NAME'S CAM PATEL.

UH, WE'RE ONE OF, I'M HERE WITH SOME OF MY PARTNERS FROM THE LA QUINTA PROJECT JUST NEXT DOOR TO THIS, UH, THIS, UH, PROJECT.

WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE THE FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE HERE.

IT'S BEEN A LONG, LONG WAY, SO, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY YOU GUYS APPROVE IT TONIGHT.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANY OTHERS SPEAK, UH, WANTING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? OKAY.

NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

IF YOU WI WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

OKAY.

SENA, AT THIS TIME, THE COMMISSION WILL INVITE, UM, ACTUALLY NO, WE WON'T.

UM, OKAY, WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION OR MOTION.

I DON'T HAVE ANY DISCUSSION, BUT I'D LIKE TO START THE MOTION PLEASE.

OKAY.

UM, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION APPROVING THE RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE APPROVING PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT, PRECISE PLAN 22 DASH ZERO TWO FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 3,875 SQUARE FOOT DUAL TENANT BUILDING AT SEVEN 11 EAST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.

AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE REQUEST IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 0 3, CLASS THREE, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES AND SECTION 1 1561 B TWO OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENT QUALITY ACT GUIDELINES.

WOW.

THERE'S, IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION.

EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.

THAT WAS A MOUTHFUL.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO AND THIS WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.

GREAT.

UM, I MAKE A MOTION APPROVING A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHA BROOK, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TWO TWO DASH THREE ONE TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT DOING BUSINESS AS DUNKIN DONUTS WITHIN ONE TENANT SPACE AT SEVEN 11 EAST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY, AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING A DETERMINATION THAT THE REQUEST IS CATEGORICALLY EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 15 3 0 3, CLASS THREE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES IN SECTION 1 5 0 6 1 B TWO OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT GUIDELINES.

THANK YOU.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO AND IT WILL BECOME FINAL ON 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU.

UH, THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS NUMBER TWO, DULY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR ZONE CHANGE 22 DASH ZERO THREE TO REPEAL CHAPTER ONE, 5.40 OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNS AND STRUCTURES OF TITLE 15 BUILDINGS AND CONSTRUCTION.

ADD CHAPTER 18.23, SIGN STANDARDS TO TITLE 18 ZONING OF THE LA HARBOR MUNICIPAL CODE AND AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF TITLE 18 ZONING FOR CONSISTENCY WITH CHAPTER 18.23.

DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.

DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS THIS EVENING.

WE HAVE THE SIGN CODE.

UM, AND I'LL GO, I'LL GO THROUGH SOME OF THE CHANGES PROPOSED STARTING OFF WITH ZONE CHANGE.

2203 WAS INITIATED BY THE CITY COUNCIL ON, UH, JANUARY 17TH OF THIS YEAR.

THE GOALS FOR THE SIGN CODE WERE TO REDUCE SIGN PROLIFERATION THROUGHOUT THE CITY, CREATE A USER FRIENDLY, UM, SIGN CODE, WHICH IS EASIER TO IMPLEMENT, AND, UH, UNDERSTAND THIS IS BOTH FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR STAFF.

AND UPDATE FOR CONSISTENCY WITH ALL FEDERAL AND STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS.

SO THIS ALSO INCLUDES FREEDOM OF SPEECH UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE FIFTH AMENDMENT RELATED TO PROTECTIONS AGAINST TAKING A PROPERTY DUE PROCESS PROVISIONS

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THE SIGN CODE UPDATE INVOLVES REPEALING CHAPTER 15 POINT 40 IN ITS ENTIRETY, ENTIRETY, AND MOVING THOSE SIGN REGULATIONS FROM TITLE 15 BUILDINGS TO TITLE 18 ZONING.

WITHIN TITLE 18 ZONING, A NEW CHAPTER WILL BE CREATED.

THAT'S CHAPTER 18.23.

AND IN GENERAL, THE SIGNED STANDARDS WILL REMAIN IDENTICAL OR SIMILAR TO THE EXISTING CHAPTER 15 POINT 40.

WE ALSO HAVE, UH, COMPLIANCE WITH FEDERAL AND STATE LAW REQUIREMENTS AND SIGN STANDARDS.

WERE FOCUS ON TIME, PLACE, AND MANNER.

LASTLY, NEW SIGN TYPES ARE BEING ADDED, WHICH CURRENTLY DO NOT EXIST IN CHAPTER 15 POINT 40.

THOSE INCLUDE MANY BOARDS REGULATIONS REGARDING CANOPIES AND AWNINGS REGULATIONS FOR THE USE OF PUMP TOP VIDEO DISPLAYS.

THOSE ARE IN CONJUNCTION WITH AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATIONS, REAL ESTATE SIGNS AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF SIGNED PROGRAMS TO ALLOW FLEXIBILITY, UM, ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT.

AND, UH, ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS, WHICH IS ATTACHMENT ONE IS THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, WHICH, UH, OUTLINES ALL THE PROPOSED CHANGES INCLUDING MOVING THE DEFINITIONS FROM CHAPTER, UM, 15 POINT 40 INTO A CENTRALIZED CHAPTER WITHIN THE ZONING CODE.

AND THAT'S CHAPTER 18.04, UM, BEFORE YOU IS A SECTION WHERE THE WINDOW REGULATIONS WERE, UM, DELETED ACCIDENTALLY OR MODIFIED.

SO THOSE ARE GETTING REINSERTED.

AND YOU DO HAVE A FINAL VERSION OF THE CHAPTER 18 POINT 23 THAT INCLUDES THE WINDOW ADVERTISEMENT REGULATIONS.

THOSE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO ANY PERMITS, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME STANDARDS ITEMIZED PUBLIC OUTREACH THROUGHOUT THE SIGN CODE.

UH, TWO EVENTS WERE, UM, SCHEDULED.

THE FIRST EVENT WAS ON APRIL 25TH, 2023.

THAT'S THE CITY'S TOP 25 BUSINESS LUNCHEON.

AT THE LUNCHEON.

THE UH, SIGN CODE UPDATE WAS, UH, PRESENTED TO BUSINESS OWNERS AND THAT WAS WELL ATTENDED.

THE SECOND PUBLIC OUTREACH, UH, WAS ON JUNE 28TH THAT INCLUDED A SIGN CODE WORKSHOP.

UH, LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS WERE INVITED TO ATTEND.

AND AT THE SIGN CODE WORKSHOP, STAFF DID RECEIVE COMMENTS REGARDING ELECTRONIC L E D MESSAGE SIGNS, TEMPORARY SIGNS AND NON-CONFORMING SIGNS.

UM, FROM THE PUBLIC OUTREACH STAFF CONTACTED EIGHT ADJACENT CITIES REGARDING THE USE OF ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS, FEATHERED FLAGS, AND PORTABLE SIGNS.

THE UM, THE CITY'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE USE OF ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS IS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH PAST PRACTICES WHERE THE CITY WASN'T ALLOWING THE USE OF ELECTRONIC SIGNS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS.

THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO CONTINUE WITH THE CITY'S BANNER PERMIT POLICY.

UM, IN ADDITION, CLARIFYING THE USE OF FEATHER FLAGS AS A PROHIBITIVE TYPE, HOWEVER, ALLOWING THE USE OF A-FRAME SIGNS OR SANDWICH BOARD SIGNS, UH, WITHOUT A PERMIT, BUT SETTING PARAMETERS FOR THE USE OF THESE TYPE OF SIGNS.

AND LASTLY, NON-CONFORMING SIGNS.

THE CONCERN WAS ONCE THE SIGN CODE IS ADOPTED, WHETHER NON-CONFORMING SIGNS HAVE TO BE UPDATED AND THE RESPONSES, THE NON PERFORMING SIGNS WILL BE ALLOWED TO BE MAINTAINED.

HOWEVER, IF THESE SIGNS ARE ENLARGED IN THE FUTURE OR MODIFIED OR SIGNAGE AREAS ADDED AT THAT TIME, PERFORMANCE WILL BE REQUIRED.

THE NEXT STEPS INCLUDE, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, WHATEVER COMMENTS ARE RECEIVED TODAY, UH, WILL BE FORWARDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND ANY CHANGES MADE TO THE FINAL ORDINANCE.

THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, DAVID.

UM, AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.

NOT RIGHT NOW.

NOT RIGHT NOW.

NOT YET.

MACHA.

OKAY.

SEARCH.

I DO, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, HOW MANY BUSINESSES ATTENDED? I KNOW YOU SAID IT WAS WELL ATTENDED, THE FIRST ONE, THE TOP 25, HOW MANY BUSINESSES ATTENDED THAT? YES.

AND THEN HOW MANY ATTENDED THE SECOND EVENT? OF COURSE, UH, FOR THE, UH, BUSINESS LUNCHEON OR THE SIGN CODE LUNCHEON, IT WAS 41 BUSINESS OWNERS AND REPRESENTATIVES.

AND FOR THE SIGN CODE WORKSHOP, WE HAD 11 LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS THAT SIGNED IN.

AND WHAT KIND OF OUTREACH WAS MADE TO ENSURE THAT THEY ATTENDED? I MEAN, AND, AND THE FIRST ONE DOES SEEM LIKE A HIGH BUT, UH, ATTENDANCE NUMBER, BUT THE SECOND DOESN'T SEEM AS WELL ATTENDED.

SO HOW,

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UM, SO THE SIGN CODE WORKSHOP FIRST INCLUDED A FLYER THAT WAS MAILED OUT TO ALL CITY BUSINESSES.

IN ADDITION, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT, UH, ACTUALLY WENT DOOR TO DOOR OR ACTUALLY KNOCKED ON BUSINESSES DOORS AND ENCOURAGED THEM TO ATTEND.

UM, AND ALSO INFORMATION WAS POSTED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE AS WELL AS THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE INVOLVED IN THE, UH, DISTRIBUTION OF, UH, THE WORKSHOP FLYER.

AND DURING THOSE TIMES, DURING THOSE INTERACTIONS, WAS THERE FEEDBACK RECEIVED OR WAS IT JUST MORE, HEY, FOR THE CITY, WHY DON'T YOU COME TO THIS WORKSHOP AND GIVE US YOUR THOUGHTS? OR WAS THERE AN INTENT WHEN THEY WERE ENGAGING AT THAT TIME TO GIVE SOME FEEDBACK AS WELL? IT WAS MORE TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO ATTEND, MAYBE EXPRESS THEIR VIEWS OF WHAT CONCERNS LOCAL BUSINESS OWNERS HAVE REGARDING THE CURRENT SIGN CODE OR WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS? ANY FOLLOW UP? ? OKAY.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WE WILL HEAR FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT IF THEY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, UM, FOLLOWED BY ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT, OR I GUESS ORDINANCE CHANGED.

UM, CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE, UM, APPLICANT COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION IF THEY'RE PRESENT AND WISH TO DO SO? IS THIS CORRECT? THIS IS INCORRECT.

ROJAS CAN'T BE RIGHT.

THIS, IN THIS INSTANCE, THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT.

THAT'S I FIGURED OUT.

I WAS LIKE, UM, YEAH.

AREN'T WE A, OKAY, SO NOW WE WILL HEAR IN, IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE CHANGES, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

OKAY.

NOW WE WOULD HEAR FROM OH, IN FAVOR.

YES.

AGAIN, GREG JONES, WE DO A LOT OF BROKERAGE AND TENANT PLACEMENT IN THE CITY HERE, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH A TENANT IN PARTICULAR THAT THIS WOULD APPLY TO, AND IT'S CALLED WAREHOUSE SHOE SOURCE, WHICH IS A NATIONAL TENANT OVER WELL OVER A HUNDRED CITIES.

I KNOW THAT THEY'RE LOCATED IN, THEY HAVE, UH, SPORTS FIGURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE PART OF THEIR SIGN THAT GOES AROUND THE BANNER OF THEIR BUILDING.

THAT TYPE OF SIGNAGE, UH, WILL HOPEFULLY BE INCORPORATED OR BE CONSIDERED IF YOU ARE ABLE TO BRING IN LIKE A NATIONAL TENANT THAT HAS THOSE TYPE OF COMPONENTS TO THEIR BUILDING THAT ARE PART OF THEIR IMAGE AND BRAND.

SO IF YOU GUYS COULD, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY GIVE THAT SOME CONSIDERATION OR, UH, IF IT'S NOT ALREADY COVERED, EXPAND YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THOSE TYPES OF SIGN, IT WOULD BE, UH, GREATLY APPRECIATED.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

I ASK A QUESTION.

I ACTUALLY HAVE A QUESTION TO ASK OF CITY ATTORNEY OR STAFF.

IF I HAVE A QUESTION THAT, UM, MAYBE WASN'T, DIDN'T COME UP IN, IN IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT IS CAME, CAME UP IN THE ATTACHMENTS THAT WE WERE SENT TO READ AND THINGS OF THAT SORT TO, THE AGENDA WOULD, WHEN WOULDN'T THAT BE APPROPRIATE? THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE TIME TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND STAFF CAN RESPOND.

WOULD THAT BE OKAY? YEAH, I, SO I'M JUST GONNA BRING IT UP.

UM, BUT THE ISSUE OF ELECTRONIC SIGNAGE AND I, THE, THE PART THAT ADDRESSES ELECTRONIC L E D MESSAGE SIGNS AND THE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CONTINUE IN THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IN THE PAST, UM, THERE'S A TERM IN THERE THAT I'M NOT SO SURE REALLY APPLIES TO LAHARA ANYMORE.

UM, BUT IT RE IT, IT DESCRIBES THE SUBURBAN NATURE OF OUR CITY.

AND I'M NOT SURE, I MEAN, I WOULD LIKE THAT A LITTLE MORE CLARIFIED A LITTLE BIT MORE BECAUSE WE HAVE IMPERIAL, WE DON'T HAVE FREEWAYS, BUT WE HAVE IMPERIAL HIGHWAY, WE HAVE BEACH BOULEVARD, WE HAVE WHITTIER BOULEVARD, WE HAVE HARBOR BOULEVARD, ALL MA MAJOR THOROUGH FAIRS.

WE HAVE A WALMART THERE.

THERE NEEDS TO BE A QUESTION HERE, BUT MY, MY QUESTION IS HOW DOES THIS JIVE WITH THE SUBURBAN NATURE OF WHERE IT IS THAT WE LIVE? SURE.

THAT, UM, THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION.

UM, COMMISSIONER THAT TERMINOLOGY COMES FROM OUR GENERAL PLAN IN THE WAY THAT THE CITY IS DESCRIBED IN THE GENERAL PLAN.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT GENERALLY, AS YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS QUITE A SUBJECTIVE TERM.

AND SO COMPARED TO THE CITY OF LA YES, WE'RE SUBURBAN COMPARED TO, I DON'T KNOW, FAR OUTREACHES THAT ARE TYPICALLY CALLED EX-URBAN.

WE WOULD BE CALLED, YOU KNOW, MAYBE URBAN, BUT GENERALLY IN COMPARISON TO THE SURROUNDING CITIES, ESPECIALLY THE LARGER CITIES, WE ARE STILL VERY MUCH SUBURBAN IN NATURE.

WE HAVE VERY LITTLE TRANSIT IN OUR CITY.

WE HAVE NO HIGH QUALITY TRANSIT CORRIDORS, EVEN THOUGH WE DO HAVE THE CALTRANS FACILITIES IN OUR CITY.

AND SO MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WOULD TYPICALLY MAKE UP AN URBAN COMMUNITY, SUCH AS THE NUMBER OF JOBS, THE, UM, HAVING TRANSIT, HAVING, UM, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS,

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WE HAVE NONE OF THOSE THINGS.

SO TYPICALLY WE'D BE CONSIDERED SUBURBAN IN NATURE.

WOULD YOU SAY THAT FULLERTON IS SUBURBAN? GENERALLY? YES.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER RCH.

OH, AND ACTUALLY MINE IS, IS ALONG THE, THE LINE OF DIGITAL DISPLAY SIGNS AS WELL.

UM, IN THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS, UM, TO READ AND PREPARE FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT DID STATE THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY UPDATES MADE, UM, TO THIS PARTICULAR DESIGNATED, UH, DIGITAL DISPLAY SIGNS IN MANY, MANY YEARS.

BUT GIVEN THE, THE PROGRESS AND GROWTH OF, OF, I I WANNA SAY AMERICA, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT JUST LAHABRA, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, WE HAVE TO GROW WITH THE TIME.

AND, AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THAT I CAN SEE IS THAT DIGITAL SIGNS.

UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. JONES WAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THAT AS WELL AS FOR HIS POTENTIAL CLIENT COMING, IS THAT THE TYPE OF SIGNAGE THAT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT? I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S ONE WAY SO THAT BUSINESS CAN, UM, REACH MORE EYES OUT THERE.

SO, I MEAN, THAT'S JUST MY, MY TAKE ON.

I I DIDN'T SEE MUCH ON DIGITAL SIGNS AND THE READING.

UM, IT'S VERY VAGUE AND, AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT IF WE CAN.

ONE OPTION THAT YOU COULD HAVE BEFORE YOU, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD JUST DISCUSS, IS THAT, UM, ZONING, ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS CAN BE INITIATED BY EITHER THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT THIS TIME.

THE ORDINANCE DOES NOT INCLUDE, UM, THE ALLOWANCE FOR ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS.

YOU COULD CONTINUE THE ITEM FOR US TO ADDRESS THOSE IN THE SIGN CODE.

IF EVERYONE WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE A SECTION OF THE SIGN CODE, YOU COULD ALSO INITIATE A SEPARATE SIGN CODE AMENDMENT FOR US TO SEPARATELY ADDRESS ELECTRONIC MESSAGE BOARDS.

OR, SORRY, THEY HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT NAMES THAT THEY GO BY ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS THAT WE COULD SEPARATELY BRING FORWARD AN AMENDMENT.

THAT PLANNING COMMISSION HAS EITHER OF THOSE, THOSE OPTIONS.

WHAT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT OPTION, I WOULD SAY TO SEPARATELY CONSIDER THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS.

THAT WAY WE COULD GO BACK AND DO, UM, SOME VERY, YOU KNOW, I I THINK WE PROVIDED A TABLE WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT THAT SAID WHAT THE SURROUNDING CITIES DO.

UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S AS SPECIFIC AS IT COULD BE.

UH, THERE'S, SOME OF THESE HAVE ADDITIONAL CAVEATS TO WHERE THEY ALLOW THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS.

UM, AS IT STATED IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT'S TYPICALLY ALONG YOU'LL SEE THEM ALONG FREEWAYS.

AND, UM, FROM MY OWN EXPERIENCE IN OTHER CITIES WHERE YOU FIND THE BILLBOARDS OFTEN AREN'T, SOMETIMES THEY'RE ON CITY PROPERTIES, BUT SOMETIMES THEY'RE ON STATE PROPERTIES SUCH AS UNIVERSITIES.

SO, UM, THOSE ARE DIFFERENT TO SUB DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS.

SO IF WE REALLY WANTED TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF WHEN AND WHERE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS ARE ALLOWED BY OTHER CITIES FOR A COMPARISON, WE COULD PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT ANALYSIS SEPARATE FROM THIS ORDINANCE.

UH, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, BUT I'LL WAIT TILL AFTER WE'RE DONE.

WE CAN, YEAH, I'M GONNA GO CONTINUE ON WITH THE PUBLIC HEARING REAL QUICK AND THEN WE CAN GO BACK TO DISCUSSION.

AT THIS TIME, THE COMMISSION WILL INVITE THE A, UM, WISH WE, SORRY.

AT THIS TIME WE WILL HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, MY NAME IS DAVID DEON, UH, D A V I D D E L E O N.

AND I'M REPRESENTING, UH, FRIENDS OF FAMILY HEALTH CENTER.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS YOU JUST MADE BECAUSE I THINK THE POINT OF WHERE LA HABER'S BEEN, I WORKED FOR THE CITY FOR 23 YEARS, AND IN THE 23 YEARS I'VE SEEN IT WHEN WESTRIDGE JUST BEGAN TO ALL THE DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING, I REMEMBER WHEN GREG JONES FIRST PROPOSED THE PROJECT ON IMPERIAL, THE, THE, THE CITY HAS CHANGED.

AND PART OF PART OF THAT CHANGE IS, IS UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE TO ADAPT TO, UM, HOW THE COMMUNICATION PLATFORMS EXIST.

EVERYBODY LOOKS AT SOCIAL MEDIA, EVERYBODY LOOKS AT BANNERS AND FLYERS AND EVERYTHING, BUT THERE'S NOTHING BETTER IN TERMS OF COMMUNICATING A MESSAGE THAN HAVING A DIGITAL SIGN.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE SOME OF THE CONCERNS ARE THAT WE'RE TRANSITIONING INTO A ANOTHER, UH, DEFINITION OF THE CITY, BUT THE CITY HAS ALREADY DONE THAT.

AND

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FRIENDS OF FAMILY IS THE LARGEST, UH, PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER IN THE CITY OF LA HARA.

WE SERVE 22,000 PATIENTS, OF WHICH 70% ARE FROM THE CITY, WITH ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS GOING OUT REGARDING COVID.

AND THEY WERE GOING TO THE, TO THE INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA.

THE FACT IS, IS THAT WE WERE GIVING UP TO DATE INFORMATION, BUT WE HAD TO USE ANTIQUATED METHODS TO DO IT.

IT.

AND SO PART OF OUR CONCERN IS THAT WE HAVE ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE AS A PUBLIC HEALTH CENTER, AND WE FEEL THAT IT WOULD BE BEST TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE THAT THROUGH A DIGITAL PLATFORM.

NOW, THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS WHERE WE BOUGHT THE BUILDING ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO.

WE'RE GONNA DO A WHOLE BUNCH OF IMPROVEMENTS.

WE GOTTA STILL GO THROUGH THAT WITH OUR PLANNING, UH, DEPARTMENT OR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.

BUT KNOWING THAT THE SIDE ORDINANCE HAD NOT BEEN DEALT WITH SINCE THE SEVENTIES, UM, IT WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE ON MY PART AS A BOARD MEMBER TO NOT AT LEAST BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION AND, AND CONSIDER THIS FOR A FUTURE, UM, CONSIDERATION.

YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT RESTAURANT MENUS ARE OUT THERE.

THAT'S A FORM OF PART OF THE DIGITAL SIGN.

ME, UH, FAMILY.

YOU HAVE WHAT'S GOING ON IN GAS PUMPS.

I SEE IT WHEN I FILL MY TANK WITH, I ENJOY THAT.

WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE.

SO WE ARE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION.

ALL I'M ASKING IS THAT THE, THE COMMISSION CONSIDER DISCUSSING FURTHER, HAVING SOME KIND OF LANGUAGE SO THAT WE AS, AS BUSINESS OWNERS, OUR, OUR SERVICERS OF THE COMMUNITY CAN, UM, UM, HOPEFULLY INSTALL A DIGITAL DESIGN WHEN THAT COMES UP.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION? UM, GLENN VAD, HENNEL, UH, BUSINESS OWNER, UM, INVOLVED WITH GOLDEN COINS AND THAT SAME SHOPPING CENTER ALSO HAS LAURA'S BAKERY AND ALSO A NAIL SALON.

UM, I'M EMBARRASSED TO SAY THAT THE SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY UP ARE TERRIBLE , BUT I GUESS THEY'RE GRANDFATHERED AND THEY'RE SOMEWHAT COMPLIANT.

BUT LET'S KEEP IN MIND THAT WE, DIGITAL SCIENCE ARE NOT NEW TO US.

HOWARD'S HAS HAD ONE FOR, WHAT, 25 YEARS, 30 YEARS.

THE, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AT WALNUT OVER THERE.

THEY HAVE ONE IN THE CORNER THERE, THERE'S ONE IN THE CORNER OF ALL THE, ALL THE SCHOOLS, PRETTY MUCH.

AND AS YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN GET OUT GOOD INFORMATION HERE FOR, FOR HEALTH BENEFITS AS WELL.

SO I, I TEND TO AGREE THAT MY SIGN, I'M ENVISIONING IN PARTICULAR, IF YOU FLASHED A 15 SECOND PICTURE OF MAYBE A, A BEAUTIFUL BAKERY, GOOD WITH MAYBE SOME COFFEE, COFFEE NEXT TO IT, WELL, THAT MIGHT MAKE SOMEBODY DECIDE THEY WANT TO GO GET SOME COFFEE AND SOME, SOME BAKERY.

AND THEN AFTER THAT, IF YOU SAW SOMETHING WITH SOME NAILS, SOME, SOME PEOPLE GETTING, UH, THEIR, THEIR SPA SERVICE , MAYBE THAT WOULD HELP THE SPA.

AND THEN IF YOU SAW SOME GOLDEN COINS AFTER A WHILE, SOME JEWELRY AND THINGS, YOU KNOW, FAR BETTER THAN THE TERRIBLE SIGN THAT WE HAVE .

SO I'M, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT YOU AT LEAST RECOGNIZE THAT THE, THE WORLD HAS CHANGED.

I MEAN, LET'S LOOK AT THE IMPROV IN BREA.

IT'S NOT LIKE THESE SIGNS ARE ARE NOT AROUND.

AND LET'S, LET'S LOOK AT SOME OF THE ONES THAT MATERIALIZED IN THE CITY.

LIKE I THINK WE CAN, CAN, CAN WE, CAN WE TALK ABOUT PERLA OLE ? WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT WE KNOW THAT FOR A BRIEF PERIOD OF TIME WE HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE ELECTRONIC SIGNAGE.

SO, UH, LET ME GO ONTO THE SECOND.

SO, SO THAT ONE, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE SOME CAPABILITY AND NOT HAVE TO SPEND $10,000 TO GET A, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO TRY TO APPLY FOR AN ELECTRONIC SIGN.

IF YOU WANNA PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON IT, LIKE MAYBE JUST, JUST TWO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE SMART.

LIKE MAYBE ONE DIRECTION AND THE OTHER DIRECTION THAT MAKES SENSE.

I MEAN, IT WOULDN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A GAZILLION ELECTRONIC SCIENCE.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT I'M A LITTLE IS, IS THE WINDOW SIGNAGE.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOVERNMENT TELLING US WHAT TO DO ALL THE TIME.

THEY TOLD US THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY NEED TO GET THAT COVID SHOT 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA PROTECT YOU.

IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.

UM, NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER, ANOTHER ONE COMING OUT WHERE WE'RE GONNA TAKE COVID, WHERE WE'RE SPENDING $8 BILLION TO DEVELOP THE NEXT GREAT COVID SHOT.

AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE IT.

WELL NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THE CITY WANTS TO COME IN TO OUR, OUR STORES AND TELL US WHAT, WHAT SORT OF SIGNAGE WE CAN DO INSIDE OF OUR, INSIDE OF OUR OWN WINDOWS.

I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.

I'M WILLING TO MAKE, I I DO DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM IF YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.

OKAY, A RECOMMENDATION I'M COMPLETELY FINE WITH.

AND I CAN TELL

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UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, I WOULD GO IN FROM 33% TO 50%.

AND THE PRIMARY REASON THAT YOU DIDN'T, NOBODY, FOR SOME REASON, NOBODY PUT THIS IN HERE.

THERE'S A BIG, THERE'S A REALLY GOOD REASON WHY YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE SIGNS ACROSS YOUR ENTIRE BUSINESS.

WHAT IF YOU GET ROBBED? YOU CERTAINLY WANT THE COPS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH THERE AND SEE WHAT THE HECK'S GOING ON.

OKAY? BUT UNFORTUNATELY, THE 33%, I DON'T THINK, I THINK IT WAS JUST A FIGURE THAT WAS KIND OF PLUCKED FROM THE AIR.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE WAY BUILDINGS ARE USUALLY PRODUCED, YOU'VE GOT A WINDOW HERE AND A WINDOW HERE, AND THEN MAYBE A DOOR IN THE MIDDLE.

AND I DON'T THINK 33% IS THE RIGHT IS THE RIGHT FIF, 50% IS GOOD ENOUGH.

AND IF YOU WANNA RECOMMEND THE SIGNS, FINE, BUT TO HAVE 'EM, IT, IT SEEMS A LITTLE BIT OPPRESSIVE TO, TO MANDATE IT.

THE LAST ONE IS, UH, NON-CONFORMING USE.

UM, I DON'T REALLY RECALL HOW MANY, UH, INCREDIBLE.

I HAVE TO THINK OF SOME OF THE OLDER BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN IN TOWN THAT HAVE UNIQUE SIGNS.

DO WE HAVE MANY? I DON'T REALLY KNOW, BUT I JUST THINK THAT WHEN I READ THE CODE TODAY AND IT SAYS, OH, WELL IF YOUR SIGN'S NON-CONFORMING AND YOU WANT TO ASK FOR A PERMIT, WELL THEN YOU GOTTA MAKE IT CONFORM.

NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT.

I MEAN, I, I, I'M FROM, UH, WHITTIER AND AT ONE POINT THEY ALLOWED, UH, ROCKVIEW DAIRY TO HAVE THESE BIG, HUGE COWS IN FRONT OF THEIR, IN FRONT OF THEIR DAIRY.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS COOL.

BUT SURE ENOUGH, THE CITY, IN THEIR INFINITE WISDOM, DIDN'T WANT THOSE COWS GETTING DRAGGED OUT EVERY MORNING.

DON'T KNOW WHY .

AND THAT'S THE SAME KIND OF THING.

HE SAYS THAT WE GOT A NATIONAL PLAYER THAT MIGHT WANT TO COME IN AND, AND HAVE OTHER IMAGES COME UP ON THERE.

SO ANYWAY, I'M JUST HOPING THAT WE CAN TRY TO BE SOMEWHAT FLEXIBLE, NON-CONFORMING USE IF, IF THE SIGNS ARE MAINTAINED.

I MEAN, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT WE HAVE QUALITY IN THE CITY.

SO I THINK MY TIME IS UP.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ALL RIGHT.

AT THIS TIME, THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO INVITE THE CITY TO OFFER A REBUTTAL IF THEY WOULD LIKE.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO CLARIFY ON THE STANDARDS THAT WE PASSED OUT ON THE WINDOW SIGNS.

THOSE ARE STANDARDS THAT ARE CURRENTLY IN PLACE AND WE ARE JUST MOVING THEM FROM TITLE 15 TO TITLE 18.

THANK YOU.

OKAY.

WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION OR MOTION.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE ELECTRIC SIGNS.

I REALLY DO THINK WE NEED TO HASH THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, AND MOVE IT ASIDE.

THAT'S MY THINKING.

AND I AGREE WITH, UH, MR. DE LEON.

UM, I'VE WORKED WITH, UH, THE CITY AND, UH, FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND I H A FOR MANY YEARS ON SEVERAL STUFF.

I WAS, UM, ONE OF THE KEY PLAYERS TO HELP GET OUR COMMUNITY, UM, UH, VACCINATED.

AND THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH FINDING THE PLACE FOR, UH, FRIENDS AND FAMILY.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, I, I SEE THE ISSUE THERE.

I DO SEE, YOU KNOW, NOT BEING ABLE TO, TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY'S HEALTH OVERALL.

SO I UNDERSTAND, UH, WHERE, UH, MR. DE LEON IS COMING FROM.

AND, UM, I'D DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE MORE OF A CONVERSATION FOR US AS A COMMISSION TO SEND IT OVER TO COUNCIL.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER MACHA.

ANY COMMENTS? I ACTUALLY AGREE.

I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE, BUT I, AND I'M ALSO GOING TO CHALLENGE THE SUBURBAN NATURE OF LAHABRA.

WE HAVE NATIONAL PLAYERS HERE.

THAT'S, I MEAN, I'M, LOOK, I'M NOT PRO ELECTRIC SIGNAGE.

I'M PRO BUSINESS.

I THINK THAT'S PRETTY APPARENT.

UM, IF ANYBODY'S EVER HEARD ME SPEAK.

SO I, I WOULD JUST CHALLENGE THE SUBURBAN NA NATURE.

I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

WE'RE BRINGING IN MORE NATIONAL PLAYERS.

WE'RE BRINGING IN, I MEAN, PERSONALLY I THINK, AND I LOVE THIS, WE'RE BRINGING ALL THESE GREAT EATERIES TO LA HARE.

IT'S BECOMING A FOOD DESTINATION.

UM, OR I, I HOPE SO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DEFINITELY BEARS MORE DISCUSSION.

I I THINK IT'S NOT AS BLACK AND WHITE AS IT, IT SEEMS TO BE PRESENTED, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO GO THE MOST EFFICIENT ROUTE.

I DON'T WANNA HOLD UP THE, I'D LIKE, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT WE COULD DO SO THAT WE CAN GET THE WORK OF THE CITY STAFF MOVING FORWARD, BUT ALSO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER MANLEY.

COMM, COMMISSIONER ZURICH.

VERY GOOD.

OKAY.

UM, I ALSO AGREE, UM, I'D

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UM, I, I DO THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE MORE DISCUSSION AND MAYBE SOME COMPARISON REGARDING THE SIGNAGE.

UM, I WOULD RECOMMEND TO CONTINUE THE ITEM.

I DON'T WANNA TAKE IT APART AND LET'S APPROVE THIS SECTION AND NOT THAT SECTION.

'CAUSE IT SEEMS EVERYTHING'S INTERCONNECTED ANYWAY.

UM, AND ULTIMATELY I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT'S DETRIMENTAL TO WAIT A LITTLE BIT AND REALLY HASH IT OUT.

IF ANYTHING, IT'S A BENEFIT TO EVERYBODY TO, UM, DO A LITTLE BIT MORE RESEARCH, UM, REGARDING, AGAIN, THE ELECTRIC SIGNAGE FOR LACK OF BETTER TERMS. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.

SO I GUESS I MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM, UM, DIRECTING STAFF TO, UH, LOOK INTO ALTERNATIVES AND, UH, FOR THE ELECTRICAL SIGNAGE SPECIFICALLY, UM, COM MAKE A COMPARISON TO SURROUNDING CITIES, UM, THAT ARE COMPARABLE TO THE CITY OF LA HABRA.

UM, AND BRING IT BACK TO THE COMMISSION WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE GUESS ALTERNATIVES.

ANY, DO YOU, IS THAT A MOTION? YES.

SECOND THE MOTION.

OKAY.

PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.

I THINK SHE STILL NEEDED TO HIT THE BUTTON.

OH, MOTION PASSES.

FIVE ZERO.

OKAY.

SO THE MOTION.

SO THAT MEANS THAT THE ITEM WILL BE CONTINUED.

OKAY.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF? F I JUST LIKE THE COMMISSION TO KNOW, WE HAVE THE UPCOMING LABOR DAY HOLIDAY AND I JUST WANNA HOPE, WISH EVERYBODY, UM, A HAPPY LABOR DAY.

WE ALSO HAVE, UH, OUR UPCOMING SECOND MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

UM, WE PLAN TO PRESENT THE COMMISSION WITH A REQUEST FOR A USED CAR SALES LOT ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD.

AND, UM, I THINK WE CAN BRING BACK THE, UH, SIGN CODE UPDATE TO YOUR NEXT MEETING.

GREAT.

THANK YOU.

ARE THERE, I'M, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.

I'M SORRY.

I, I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH, UM, OUR, OUR PLANNING MANAGER.

I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION BY THE NEXT MEETING.

I THINK WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO A DATE UNCERTAIN SO THAT WE CAN DO A THOROUGH RESEARCH FOR YOU.

FAIR ENOUGH.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

UM, ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I DO.

GO AHEAD.

UM, WANTED TO FIND OUT WHO OF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE CORN FESTIVAL PARADE.

WHEN IS IT MICHELLE? COME ON, LET'S GET EVERYBODY.

COME ON, LET'S DO THIS AS A COMMISSION.

I'VE DONE FIVE, UH, OCTOBER 14TH IS THE ACTUAL CORN FESTIVAL PARADE.