[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, OCTOBER 23, 2023 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.]
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I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND WOULD THE AUDIENCE PLEASE STAND? AND COMMISSIONER MECHA, WOULD YOU LEAD US IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? READY, BEGIN.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN THE VISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL? ROLE VICE CHAIR S HERE, COMMISSIONER MANLEY.
LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT CHAIR ROJAS HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE TONIGHT.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON THE CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A.
SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING, DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION? I DIDN'T GET ANY.
WE WILL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
ALL MATTERS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUEST SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED, ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THE AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOANED TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE AND TWO.
ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED.
FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM? NO.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
OH, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AN ITEM REMOVED? THANK YOU.
I I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION AGAIN.
I, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND I'M SORRY FOR JUMPING THE GUN.
AND JASON MANLEY, THANK YOU FOR THE SECOND.
A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MEJA AND SECOND BY COMMISSIONER MANLEY.
EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTE.
WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.
THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THE STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
AFTER ALL HAVE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTIONS IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE LECTERN.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU'LL FIND THE SPEAKER'S CARDS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER AND AT THE LECTERN.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOUR YOURSELF AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL
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COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGES BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
TONIGHT'S FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS NUMBER ONE, DULY NOTED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR DESIGN REVIEW, 21 DASH ZERO FOUR AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 21 DASH ZERO TWO FOR THE EXPANSION AND CONTINUED OPERATION OF THE COSTCO AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE STATION, LOCATED AT 1 0 3 NORTH BEACH BOULEVARD.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FROM FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.
DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
MY NAME IS DAVID, UH, AND I'LL BE PROVIDING THE PRESENTATION.
THE SUBJECT 14.49 ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF LA HABER BOULEVARD AND BEACH BOULEVARD.
THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATES A SITE FOR COMMUNITY SHOPPING CENTER, TWO LAND USE, AND IT'S LOCATED WITHIN THE SP ONE OR THE LA HABER BOULEVARD SPECIFIC PLAN ZONE.
THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPED WITH A 149 SQUARE FOOT, 149,787 SQUARE FOOT COSTCO WAREHOUSE AND A AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE STATION OR GAS STATION.
THE GAS STATION IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY.
CURRENTLY OPERATES WITH EIGHT TWO-SIDED MULTI FIELD DISPENSERS FOR A TOTAL OF 16 POSITIONS, FUELING POSITIONS UNDER A 3,840 SQUARE FOOT CANOPY.
IN 2018, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED AN EXPANSION OF THE GAS STATION FROM 16 FUELING POSITIONS TO 22 AND ENLARGED THE CANOPY TO 6,304 SQUARE FEET.
A TIME EXTENSION WAS GRANTED IN 2019.
HOWEVER, THE PROJECT APPROVALS EXPIRED IN DECEMBER OF 2020, UH, DUE TO INACTIVITY.
THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME IS PROPOSING TO INSTALL SEVEN TWO-SIDED MULTI FIELD DISPENSERS THAT WILL INCREASE THE NUMBER OF ONSITE FUELING POSITIONS FROM 16 TO 30 AND ENLARGE THE OVERHEAD CANOPY TO 10,740 SQUARE FEET TO ACCOMMODATE THE EXPANDED FUELING POSITIONS IN CANOPY.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING MINOR RECONFIGURATION OF THE PARKING LOT TO ENSURE ADEQUATE ONSITE CIRCULATION.
THE GAS STATION WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY FROM 7:30 AM TO 9:30 PM SATURDAYS FROM SIX TO EIGHT SUNDAYS FROM SIX TO 7:30 PM AND IT ALSO CONTINUE TO HAVE AN ATTENDANT ON SITE DURING THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS ANTICIPATED TO EXPAND WEST OF THE EXISTING FUELING AREA, WHICH INVOLVES THE REMOVAL OF 23 SPACES.
THE ADDITION OF ONE NEW DRIVE VILE OPENING AND THE IMPACTED AREAS ARE SHOWN IN RED.
AND THE EXPANDED CANOPY AND FUELING POSITIONS ARE HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE PARKING.
LOT MODIFICATIONS INCLUDE A SECTION OF THE TWO-WAY DRIVE VILE LOCATED NORTHWEST OF THE CANOPY TO BE MODIFIED TO ALLOW FUEL TANKER TRUCK ACCESS ONLY WITHIN THAT AREA, TWO NEW PARKING SPACES ARE PROPOSED FOR A NET LOSS OF 21 SPACES FURTHER WEST OF THE MODIFIED DRIVE AISLE.
A NEW 30 FOOT WIDE OPENING IS PROPOSED TO ALLOW FOR NORTH SOUTH VEHICLE ACCESS INTO THE, UM, QUEUING AREA AND THE PLANNER LOCATED, UM, OFF OF THE LA HARBOR BOULEVARD ENTRYWAY IS ALSO PROPOSED TO BE MODIFIED TO ALLOW FOR FUEL TANKER CIRCULATION AS WELL AS THE REMOVAL OF 12 PARKING SPACES DIRECTLY WEST OF THE, UM, FUELING AREA TO ALLOW FOR, UH, ENLARGED QUEUING.
A TOTAL OF 21 PARKING SPACES ARE PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
HOWEVER, THE SITE HAS 704 PARKING SPACES, WHICH EXCEED THE CODE REQUIREMENT OF 601 PARKING SPACES.
THE ZONING CODE ALSO REQUIRES 7% OF THE PARKING LOT AREA TO BE LANDSCAPED,
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ALTHOUGH THE PROJECT WOULD RESULT IN A NET NET LOSS OF 359 SQUARE FEET AND THE REMOVAL OF AB 11 TREES, 11 TREES WILL BE REPLANTED IN THE PROJECT AREA AND THE SITE WILL CONTINUE TO PROVIDE OVER 62,547 SQUARE FEET OF ONSITE LANDSCAPING, WHICH TRANSLATE TO OVER 14% OF ONSITE PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING.TWO FUEL TANKER TRUCK CIRCULATION PLANS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED AND THEY WILL BE UTILIZED DEPENDING ON THE QUEUING ON SITE.
THE PLAN TO THE RIGHT, UM, SHOWS DIRECT ACCESS, UH, WITH THE CREATED FUEL TANKER TRUCK LANE AND THE PLAN TO THE LEFT SHOWS, UH, THE TANKER TANKER TRUCK CIRCULATION AROUND THE PARKING AREA.
THE 303,840 SQUARE FOOT CANOPY IS PROPOSED TO BE ENLARGED AGAIN TO 10,000 SEPARATE HUNDRED AND 40 SQUARE FEET.
THE NEW EXPANDED CANOPY INCLUDES A HIP ROOF DESIGN, CLAY ROOF TILES.
UH, THESE MATERIALS AND COLORS WILL MATCH THE, UM, WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
ALSO AN ANCILLARY FUEL CONTROLLER ENCLOSURE LOCATED SOUTH OF THE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH A NEW ENCLOSURE.
UH, IT'S GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY 25 FEET TO THE EAST OF ITS CURRENT LOCATION AND IT'LL BE PAINTED BEIGE TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE CANOPY.
THE APPLICANT'S GOAL FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS TO REDUCE VEHICLE Q WAIT TIMES A TRIP GENERATION AND Q REPORT PREPARED BY TELSON AND ASSOCIATES DATED JULY 15TH, 2022, RECORDED A MAX QUEUE OF 62 VEHICLES DURING THE WEEKDAY PM PEAK PERIOD AND 51 VEHICLES DURING A SATURDAY MIDDAY PEAK PERIOD.
THE REPORT ANALYZED FIVE COSTCO FACILITIES, FOUR IN CALIFORNIA, ONE IN ARIZONA THAT ALSO EXPERIENCED, UH, SUBSTANTIAL REDUCTION, UH, FOR VEHICLE Q WAIT TIMES AFTER AN EXPANSION.
THIS REPRESENTS APPROXIMATELY, UH, REDUCTION IN HALF OF Q OF VEHICLE Q EIGHT TIMES.
THE LAHABRA LOCATION WOULD SEE A REDUCTION FROM 62 VEHICLES TO 28 VEHICLES DURING WEEKDAY PM 51 VEHICLES TO 28 VEHICLES DURING SATURDAY MIDDAY PEAK.
AND THE SITE ALSO SCREENS OUT OF THE VMT ANALYSIS PROJECTS THAT, UM, RETAIL USES LESS THAN 50,000 SQUARE FEET ARE SCREENED OUT.
AND LASTLY, THE NATURE AND FUNCTION OF THE GAS STATION WILL REMAIN THE SAME WITH THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT MODIFICATIONS.
VEHICLE Q WAIT TIMES ARE ANTICIPATED TO BE IMPROVED.
THE PROPOSED PLAN IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ZONING CODE, THEREFORE STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT.
THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DAVID, DO WE HAVE ANY, UM, QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? I DO.
UM, DAVID? YES, I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, THE ANALYSIS, YOU KNOW, FOUND THAT 62 VEHICLES IN THE QUEUE, I THINK WAS THE MAX.
UM, AND THAT WAS THE WEEKDAY NUMBER, I BELIEVE? CORRECT.
AND THE ANTICIPATION THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE REDUCED DOWN TO I THINK 28.
CAN YOU MAYBE JUST CLARIFY LIKE HOW THAT IS CONCLUDED? YES, WE DO HAVE THE CONSULTANT PRESENT THAT CAN, UH, FURTHER EXPLAIN FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY TOOK THE DATA FROM THE OTHER SITES AND APPLIED IT TO THE LAHABRA LOCATION.
I I GUESS I CAN SAVE THAT QUESTION FOR THE CONSULTANT.
UM, THE DRIVEWAY ON THE SOUTHEASTERN MOST PART OF THE PROPERTY.
SO RIGHT ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS LAHABRA BOULEVARD ON THE BOTTOM THERE, THAT SOUTHEASTERN MOST DRIVEWAY MM-HMM.
IS THAT, WAS THAT DRIVEWAY LIKE A REQUIREMENT WHEN THE SITE WAS DEVELOPED OR CAN YOU JUST MAYBE EXPAND MORE ON THAT? YES, THAT DRIVEWAY WAS APPROVED AS THE ORIGINAL PROJECT.
IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL, WE HAVE ANALYZED THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS.
THERE IS A CONDITION THAT REQUIRES
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A, UH, THE APPLICANT TO ANALYZE VEHICLE QUEUING LINKS AND ONSITE CIRCULATION ONCE THE PROJECT IS COMPLETED TO EVALUATE IF THIS DRIVEWAY HAS TO BE CLOSED AND THERE ARE, UH, CERTAIN STEPS INCLUDED IN THIS CONDITION AS WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THOSE STEPS? IT INCLUDES AN ACTIVE TEAM MEMBER OR COSTCO EMPLOYEE TO CONTINUE TO CLOSE THE RIGHT END DRIVEWAY WITH CONES.UM, THE STUDY WILL THEN BE PREPARED AND WILL ANALYZE THE ONSITE QUEUING IF NECESSARY.
A QUEUING MANAGEMENT PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED AND SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.
DAVID, CAN I STOP YOU THERE? SURE.
WHAT WOULD DETERMINE IF THAT WAS NECESSARY, UH, BASED ON THE STUDY? UM, SO THE STAFF IS REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICANT CONDUCT A STUDY ONCE IT'S UP AND OPERATING.
TO SEE IF THERE'S IMPACTS TO THIS DRIVEWAY.
AND THAT CONDITION WA WAS ALREADY, IS ALREADY IN THERE? YES, IT IS IN EXHIBIT B OF THE RESOLUTION.
UH, SO WE HAVE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 DIFFERENT, UH, MEASURES.
THE LAST ONE IS REQUIRING THE CLOSURE IF, UM, NO MITIGATION OR NO SOLUTION CAN BE FOUND.
AND THAT'S JUST CLOSURE OF THE FUEL SERVICE.
WE'RE NOT CLOSING THE ENTIRE SITE, UH, CLOSURE OF THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE, CLOSURE OF THE DRIVEWAY.
UM, YEAH, I I THINK THAT'S GOOD.
I JUST WOULD WANT MORE CLARIFICATION MAYBE FROM THE APPLICANT OR FROM THE CONSULTANT.
UM, ONCE THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS ARE DONE ASKING QUESTIONS OF YOU.
COMMISSIONER BURNER, ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME? NO.
COMMISSIONER MECHA, WAS THERE ALSO ANOTHER PARKING STUDY DONE? BECAUSE THE FIRST THING THAT COMES TO MIND IS THEY NEED MORE PARKING SPACES, NOT MORE FUELING STATIONS.
SO I GUESS I WAS WONDERING, I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA LOSE 21 PARKING SPOTS AND THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE MORE OF A CONCERN THAN MITIGATING THE FUEL LINES.
SO I GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS THIS REALLY NEEDED BY THE COMMUNITY? IS IT REALLY NEEDED BY THE COMMUNITY? IN PROJECTS WHERE THE REDUCTION IS BELOW CODE REQUIREMENTS, STAFF WOULD REQUEST THE PARKING STUDY TO BE PREPARED.
BUT IN THIS CASE, SINCE THERE IS AN EXCESS AMOUNT OF PARKING, A PARKING STUDY WAS NOT REQUESTED.
HOW, HOW IS IT DETERMINED THAT IT'S AN EXCESS? I MEAN, I, I I MEAN IN EXCESS OF WHAT THE CODE REQUIRES.
BUT AS A PERSON THAT SHOPS AT THAT COSTCO AND, UM, UH, I'M NOT SURE THAT THE TERM EXCESS PARKING WOULD BE WHAT I WOULD USE
I GUESS THAT'S NOT MORE, THAT'S REALLY NOT, I GUESS IS THIS REALLY NEEDED? I'D BE UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THEY REQUESTED A PARKING STUDY.
SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE, UM, NOW THE TANKER TRUCKS FOR THEIR ACCESS, ARE THEY ACCESSING ALSO ON THE HARBOR BOULEVARD OR CAN THEY GO IN THROUGH BEACH, UH, OR ARE THEY DESIGNATED? LOUD BOULEVARD IS NOT AN APPROVED, UM, TRUCK ROUTE, SO THE ONLY ACCESS IN AND OUT IS OFF OF BEACH BOULEVARD.
AND THEN, UM, ON OUR DIAGRAM IT SAID THAT THERE WAS 23 SPACES TO BE REMOVED AND YOU REPORTED 21.
SO IS IT THEY'RE ADDING, THEY'RE ADDING TWO MORE.
OH, THEY'RE ADDING TWO MORE THERE.
AND, UH, JASON'S QUESTION, UM, ON THE 62, UH, PEAK DURING PEAK HOURS DURING THE WEEK, SO THAT'S THE, THE NUMBER OF CARS IN QUEUE AND THAT IS CURRENT OR THAT'S, UM, WHAT'S PROPOSING? UH, YES, I CAN CLARIFY THAT.
SO THE OBSERVED QUEUE, THIS STUDY WAS, UH, DONE IN 2022 AND IT WAS DONE IN JUNE OF 2022.
SO THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE ON SITE, UM, LOOKING AT HOW MANY CARS WERE WAITING IN LINE.
AND THEN THE NEW PROPOSED, UM, ONCE ADDITIONAL LANES IS, THAT'S WHERE THE 28 WOULD COME INTO PLAY? CORRECT.
IT'LL BE REDUCED TO THAT NUMBER.
THOSE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAD.
ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.
MAYBE, UH, DID WE GO TO, LET'S GET THE CONSULTANT
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UP HERE FOR A SECOND.CAN WE GET THE CONSULTANT UP HERE TO MAYBE ANSWER A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF THEY'RE HERE ON SITE? IF YOU WANNA OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THE FIRST PERSON TO SPEAK WOULD BE THE APPLICANT.
SO, UM, WE WILL NOW OPEN TO THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL HEAR FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT IF THEY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, FOLLOWED BY ANYONE ELSE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.
CAN WE PLEASE HAVE THE APPLICANT COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION IF THEY ARE? GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS JULIANNE ANDERSON WITH BARK HAUSEN CONSULTING ENGINEERS LOCATED IN KENT, WASHINGTON, AND THE PLANNING CONSULTANT AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT FOR THIS PROJECT WITH ME AS OUR TEAM CONSISTING OF THERESE GARCIA, REAL ESTATE MANAGER WITH COSTCO WHOLESALE, SEAN MACKIN WITH REGIONAL OPERATIONS WITH COSTCO WHOLESALE, UH, AMY LOPEZ, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER WITH KITSON AND ASSOCIATES, AND GENUINE ARCHITECT CONS CONSULTANT WITH MG TWO.
UH, STAFF DID A GREAT JOB PRESENTING THE PROJECT.
I AS WELL AS THE REST OF THE TEAM ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
JUMP RIGHT IN WITH, UM, THE QUESTION THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY ABOUT, UM, HOW YOU KIND OF CONCLUDE OR THE CONSULTANT WOULD DETERMINE THE REDUCTION IN ANTICIPATED QUEUE FROM 62 TO 28 AFTER THE ADDITIONAL EXPANSION.
LET ME, UM, I'LL DEFER TO AMY LOPEZ, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER.
I'M AMY LOPEZ WITH KITSON AND ASSOCIATES.
SO, UM, FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE THE SEN'S MEMO IN YOUR PACKET, YOU CAN LOOK THERE AS WELL.
BUT THE WAY WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND LOOKED AT SO MANY OTHER COSTCO FUEL STATIONS THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY, IS TO WHEN COSTCO MAKES AN EXPANSION OF A FUEL STATION, WE'LL COLLECT BOTH THE TRIP GENERATION DATA AND THE Q LENGTH DATA BEFORE THE EXPANSION, AND THEN AFTER IT'S DONE, WE'LL GO BACK AND COLLECT LATER.
WE USUALLY WAIT ABOUT SIX MONTHS OR SO AFTER THE EXPANSION HAS BEEN DONE.
UM, AND WE MAKE SURE IT'S THE SAME TIME OF YEAR AS THE ORIGINAL DATA WE'RE COLLECTED.
SO IF WE COLLECT IT IN MARCH AFTER THE EXPANSION, WE MAKE SURE AT LEAST SIX MONTHS HAVE GONE BY FOR THINGS TO KIND OF GET NORMALIZE.
WE COLLECT AGAIN AROUND MARCH.
SO WHAT WE DID IN THIS CASE, WE PULLED DATA FROM A DATABASE THAT WE MAINTAIN ON BEHALF OF COSTCO.
WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING THAT DATABASE FOR OVER 30 YEARS NOW, AND WE KEEP UPDATING IT THROUGH THE YEARS TO MAKE SURE THE DATA ARE RECENT AND REFLECTING MORE CURRENT CONDITIONS.
AND SO WHAT WE DID IN THIS CASE IS LOOKED FOR, UH, WE FOUND FIVE SITES, FOUR OF 'EM ARE HERE IN CALIFORNIA, ONE OF THEM IN ARIZONA, THAT, UM, HAD EXPANDED AT A SIMILAR SCALE.
SEVERAL WERE 16 FUELING POSITIONS AND EXPANDED TO 32.
UM, AND THEN A COUPLE OF THEM WERE 20 FUELING POSITIONS AND EXPANDED TO 32.
SO WHAT WE DO IS WE LOOK AT HOW LONG WERE THE QUEUES BEFORE THE EXPANSION, HOW LONG ARE THEY AFTER, DEVELOP THE PERCENT CHANGE FOR EACH OF THOSE AND COME UP WITH AN AVERAGE.
AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT'S THE AVERAGE PERCENT CHANGE IN THE QUEUE LENGTH FROM A BEFORE TO AN AFTER WHEN AN EXPANSION IS CONSTRUCTED.
SO HAVING LOOKED AT THOSE FOUR, FIVE SITES AND PULLED THE DATA TOGETHER, WHAT WE SAW IS THAT IN THE CASE OF A WEEKDAY OR ON A SATURDAY, QUEUES ARE REDUCED.
THE TRIP NUMBERS WILL INCREASE A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE THE SAME MEMBERS WHO ARE COMING TO THE SITE TODAY THAT WOULD LIKE TO BUY GAS BUT AREN'T GONNA WAIT IN THAT QUEUE, WELL LATER WHEN THERE ARE MORE FUELING POSITIONS, WHAT WE FIND IS, IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHEN YOU'RE AT THE GROCERY STORE AND THEY OPEN MORE CHECKOUT LINES, IT PROCESSES THE DEMAND FASTER.
THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WANNA BUY THEIR MILK THAT DAY STILL WANNA BUY THEIR MILK, BUT NOW YOU CAN SERVE PEOPLE FASTER.
IN THE CASE OF A COSTCO FUEL STATION, THE SAME MEMBERS THAT SHOP AT THIS WAREHOUSE TODAY ARE GONNA BE THE ONES SHOPPING THERE AFTER THE EXPANSION, BUT NOW MORE CAN BE SERVED AT ONCE.
AND SO THE QUEUE IS PROCESSED FASTER IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ACTUALLY END UP SEEING A REDUCTION IN QUEUE LENGTHS.
AND SO HOW WE ARRIVED AT THE ACTUAL ESTIMATED 28 VEHICLE MAXIMUM QUEUE COMES FROM THE REDUCTIONS WE'VE OBSERVED AT OTHER COSTCO FUEL STATIONS OF A SIMILAR EXPANSION AFTER THEY'VE EXPANDED.
SO WHEN YOU DESCRIBE LIKE THE SIMILAR EXPANSION, UM, REALLY THE THING THAT THAT'S TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION MOST IS, IS JUST THAT, RIGHT? IT'S, IT'S NOT BEHOLDEN TO, YOU KNOW, THE LOCATION, THE, THE STREET SIZE GOING IN OR OUT.
IT'S REALLY FOCUSED ON, WELL, THIS SITE IN ARIZONA, WHICH SEEMS KIND OF RANDOM, BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE'RE DRAWING FROM REALLY JUST BECAUSE IT WENT FROM 16 TO 32, IT'S ONLY ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS.
WE HAVE OTHER DATA IN THE DATABASE THAT ARE MAYBE GOING FROM LIKE A 16 TO A 24, SO
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THAT'D BE WHERE YOU'VE GOT TWO ROWS AND WE'RE ADDING JUST ONE MORE ROW.UM, AND SO WE'RE NOT USING THAT, THOSE DATA IN THIS ANALYSIS.
WE'VE GOT OTHER ONES WHERE IT WAS A 12 TO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF DIFFERENT RANGES, THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED THROUGH THE YEARS.
WHAT WE LOOK AT AND WHAT WE'VE FOUND DRIVE THE, UM, CONDITIONS ARE THE SIZE OF THE EXPANSION AND THE MARKET ITSELF.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE USING MARKETS WHERE THE MEMBERSHIP IS SIMILAR AT THIS WAREHOUSE RELATIVE TO OTHER WAREHOUSES.
UM, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ABOUT THE LEVEL OF JUST WHAT WE LEARN FROM COSTCO IS THEY UNDERSTAND THEIR OWN MARKETS WAY BETTER THAN WE AT KITSON EVEN CAN.
AND SO SOMETIMES WE'LL ACTUALLY BRING FORWARD HERE, HERE ARE SEVERAL LOCATIONS IN THE DATABASE AVAILABLE, AND SOME OF THOSE MIGHT NOT ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE.
SO IT'S NOT JUST, OH, HEY, THE ONES IN CALIFORNIA USE THOSE FOR THE CALIFORNIA STUDIES.
WE ACTUALLY LOOK A LITTLE MORE CAREFULLY TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S THE LOCAL MARKET HERE, UM, WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE MEMBERSHIP HERE? AND TRY TO DIAL IT IN A LITTLE MORE CAREFULLY.
UM, IN ALL OF THE DATA THAT YOU GUYS HAVE AVAILABLE TO YOU, WHAT HAVE YOU NOTICED OR OBSERVED IN RELATIONSHIP TO, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST FEW YEARS? I THINK THERE'S BEEN A, A HUGE INFLUX IN PEOPLE WORKING FROM HOME, AND I THINK THAT WOULD INDICATE LESS TRIPS TO THE FUEL PUMP.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT DOES THE DATA SHOW IN REGARDS TO THAT? WELL, IN THE LAST FEW, YOU'RE MAKING ACCURATE OBSERVATIONS IN A VERY GENERAL WAY ABOUT WHAT PEOP MANY PEOPLE ARE DOING.
UM, BUT PEOPLE ALSO STILL GO OUT AND RECREATE AND SPEND TIME DRIVING TO PLACES THEY ENJOY.
THE OTHER THING WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WHICH HAS DIMINISHED SOME, BUT THERE WAS A PERIOD, YOU KNOW, IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND WHEN FUEL PRICES CHANGED SUBSTANTIALLY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, UM, WHAT WE SAW WAS A SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN THE TRIPS AND THE COOLINGS THAT COSTCO FUEL STATIONS DUE TO THE PRICE POINT.
SO IT WAS ACTUALLY COUNTER, YEAH, MAYBE PEOPLE WEREN'T DRIVE FEWER PEOPLE WERE DRIVING TO WORK ON A DAILY BASIS, BUT BECAUSE OF THE PRICE OF GAS, WE WERE SEEING HIGHER NUMBERS AT COSTCO FUEL STATIONS FOR A WHILE.
SO THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS THAT INFLUENCE HAVE INFLUENCED THINGS IN THE LAST FEW YEARS.
I'D SAY WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY, UM, WE ARE NOT SEEING THE EXCESSIVE GAS QUEING THAT WE WERE SEEING MAYBE A YEAR OR A YEAR AND A HALF AND TWO YEARS AGO.
THINGS SEEM TO HAVE COME BACK DOWN TO, UM, UH, A LESS, A LESS AGGRESSIVE CONDITION.
UM, BUT WE CAN CONTINUE TO SEE, I WOULD SAY I, I HAVE NOT SEEN DATA THAT WE'VE COLLECTED IN THE LAST YEAR SHOWING US TRIP NUMBERS LOWER THAN IN THE PAST THAN SAY 2019 OR BEFORE THAT.
UM, DAVID, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GO A COUPLE OF SLIDES BEFORE THIS.
UM, CAN YOU EXPAND, AND MAYBE IT'S NOT YOU, IT'S SOMEONE FROM YOUR TEAM, I'M NOT SURE, BUT ON THE NEW DRIVE AISLE OPENING AND JUST KIND OF THE RATIONALE BEHIND THAT RIGHT THERE.
SO THE WE'RE, FOR PEOPLE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN, YOU'LL SEE TOP LEFT RED KIND OF SQUARE SHAPE WITH A NEW DRY AISLE OPENING.
THEN A LITTLE BIT TO THE RIGHT IS A RED RECTANGLE.
AND SO THE THINKING HERE IS THE RED RECTANGLE THAT'S TO THE RIGHT TYPICALLY WOULD BE AN OPEN ACCESS FOR MEMBERS TO BE COMING INTO THE FUEL STATION QUEUE AREA, AS WELL AS EXITING TO THAT MAIN DRIVE AISLE THAT RUNS ALONG THE FRONT OF THE WAREHOUSE.
UM, HOWEVER, IN REAL LIFE TODAY, IT'S OFTEN BLOCKED OFF, KIND OF CONNED OFF JUST BECAUSE OF THE LEVEL OF QUEUING THAT'S HAPPENING CURRENTLY.
SO THE THINKING IS THAT THE ACCESS ITSELF CONTINUES TO BE MEANINGFUL FOR THE FUEL TRUCK CIRCULATION AFTER THE ONSITE CHANGES ARE MADE.
SO WE WANT TO RETAIN THE OPENING TO HAVE THAT FUEL TRUCK CIRCULATION ROUTE BE POSSIBLE.
BUT WHAT WE DO NOT WANT IS FOR THE ONLY OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS WHO ARE ENTERING THE SITE FROM BEACH BOULEVARD AND TRYING TO GET TO THIS FIRST PARKING FIELD OR GET TO THE FUEL STATION TO HAVE TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO THE WEST TO THE DRIVE AISLE THAT IS JUST TO THE LEFT OF THE RED BOX OF THE RED SQUARE.
WE WOULD NOT WANT THAT TO BE THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY ANYONE HAS TO ENTER THERE, BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA BE CONCENTRATING ESSENTIALLY ALL OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S TRYING TO COME TO THIS PARKING FIELD OR COME TO THE FUEL STATION FROM BEACH BOULEVARD INTO THAT AREA.
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TO THE ENTRANCE OF THE WAREHOUSE, WHICH IS VERY ACTIVE WITH PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY.IT'S ALSO NEAR WHERE THE FOOD COURT IS, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
AND SO AGAIN, WE DON'T, WE, WE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE ALL THOSE VEHICLES HAVE TO COME THAT FAR IN FOR THAT REASON, WE'RE WE'RE PUNCHING THROUGH THE PARKING TO GIVE AN ENTRY POINT THERE THAT WE WERE NOT DRAWING VEHICLES UP TO WHERE THE FOOD COURT AND THE ENTRANCE ARE.
MS. LOPEZ, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT, I I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW OR IF, IF THIS WAS, UM, IF, IF, IF, IF THE GAS STA WELL, WE HAVE A NEW GAS STATION.
MM-HMM,
WAS THAT GAS STATION PRESENT WHEN YOU DEVELOPED THE STUDIES REGARDING THE QUEUE LENGTHS? UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THAT WOULD BE A FACTOR ALSO IN DETERMINING HOW MUCH TRAFFIC YOU WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE COMING INTO THESE FUELING STATIONS, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE ANOTHER OPTION KITTY CORNER TO COSTCO, I MEAN, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT THAT WOULD HAVE A GREAT EFFECT AS WELL.
SO WE DIDN'T TAKE OTHER, WE DON'T TYPICALLY CONSIDER, UM, OTHER FUEL STATIONS IN THE AREA, THEIR PRESENCE OR ABSENCE INTO CONSIDERATION WITH THE ANALYSIS.
ULTIMATELY WHAT WE LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A MEMBER ONLY FUEL STATION.
UM, IT TENDS TO, WHAT WHAT COSTCO HEARS FROM ITS MEMBERS IS THAT THEY WANT TO BUY THEIR GAS HERE, THEY WISH THEY COULD, BUT I'M NOT GONNA WAIT IN THAT QUEUE, YOU KNOW, AS A COMMON MESSAGE FROM MANY.
AND SOME PEOPLE DO CHOOSE TO WAIT.
UM, BUT WITH RESPECT TO THE ANALYSIS WE'RE CONDUCTING, NO, THERE'S NOT SOME ADDITIONAL FACTOR TRYING TO, THERE'S NOT LIKE AN ECONOMIC ANALYSIS THAT'S BEING DONE TO TRY TO PROJECT OKAY, WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW, FINANCIAL CHOICES PEOPLE ARE GONNA MAKE? WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT FINANCIAL CHOICES BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS A FINANCIAL CHOICE, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER FACTORS, IT, BUT IT WOULD INFLUENCE BEHAVIOR CERTAINLY, UM, BECAUSE YES, IT'S A MEMBER'S ONLY GAS STATION, BUT MM-HMM.
SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT MY QUESTION REALLY WAS ABOUT, UM, IF THAT WAS TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, WAS SOMEBODY OUT THERE COUNTING THE CARS AND WHAT TIME OF DAY AND WHEN DID YOU GUYS DO IT? AND HOW MANY TIMES DID YOU GUYS GO? SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HIRE A DATA COLLECTION VENDOR WHO WORKS WITH US THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY TOO.
AND THEY HANG CAMERAS SO THAT THEY CAN, WELL FIRST WE'VE TALKED WITH THE WAREHOUSE MANAGERS AND THEN FUEL STATION MANAGERS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE QUEUING IS.
WE'LL GO OUT ON THE SITE AND DO SOME OBSERVATIONS, UM, SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHERE DO WE NEED TO BE LOOKING.
AND THEN OUR, OUR VENDOR WILL HANG CAMERAS AND FILM, UM, AND JUST FILM ALL THE TIME.
AND THEN WE CATCH, WE CAPTURE A WEEKDAY, A TYPICAL WEEKDAY, AND WE'LL CAPTURE A TYPICAL WEEKEND.
SO WE'RE NOT COLLECTING DATA ON THE FRIDAY BEFORE MEMORIAL DAY, FOR EXAMPLE.
UM, AND SO THEN THEY TAKE THE DATA, PROCESS IT TO COUNT MINUTE BY MINUTE, HOW LONG IS THE QUEUE IN THIS MINUTE? OKAY, MINUTE LATER.
NOW HOW LONG IS HOW MANY VEHICLES? MEANING QUEUE, MEANING HOW MANY VEHICLES ARE WAITING BEHIND THE PUMPS? AND SO THEY PROVIDE BACK TO US A SUMMARY OF EVERY MINUTE FROM OPEN TILL CLOSE ON THAT WEEKDAY, EVERY MINUTE FROM OPEN TILL CLOSE ON THE WEEKEND, HOW MANY CARS WERE IN QUEUE EVERY MINUTE OF THE DAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE RECEIVE AND WE WORK FROM THERE.
SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS YOU DID TWO, ONE ON THE WEEKDAY, ONE ON THE WEEKEND, BUT IT WAS ONLY AT TWO TIMES ALL DAY ON A WEEKDAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? NO.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, UH, REBUTTAL REGARDING THE ITEM COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME? THE COMMISSIONERS WILL INVITE THE, UM, I'M SORRY, CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT THERE.
SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION OR MOTION AT THIS TIME.
ANYONE? I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM TRAFFIC OUR CITY TRAFFIC.
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GOOD EVENING COMMISSION.SO I WANNA KNOW WHAT YOU TH YOUR OPINION, I WAS ON THE LAST PROJECT THAT WE DID, SO I KNOW WE WENT OVER THOSE NUMBERS.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH HOW THAT THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER? HAVE YOU LOOKED, OF COURSE YOU'VE LOOKED AT IT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THE, THE TANKER THAT COMES IN ON THROUGH.
RIGHT? AND THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LA HABER BOULEVARD AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 68 CARS TO 28 CARS, I BELIEVE, WHICH IS A GREAT NUMBER.
I REMEMBER THAT FROM LAST TIME.
BUT, UM, I, I SEE THAT WE HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT, UM, OPTIONS THAT WE CAN GO TO AFTERWARDS.
I WANNA GET YOUR OPINION ON ALL OF THOSE.
WELL, WE, WE WORKED WITH THE APPLICANTS MULTIPLE TIMES ON THE TANKER TRUCK.
THEY WANTED TO ENTER DIFFERENT WAYS AND WE KEPT THEM FOCUSED ON STAYING ON BEACH BOULEVARD.
LIKE DAVID SAID, IT'S A, THAT IS A TRUCK ROUTE.
SO IF THEY DO THAT, IT'S BETTER, THEN THEY WON'T RIP UP THE HUB OR BOULEVARD AND WE'RE REPAVING IT.
UH, THEY GAVE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF CIRCULATIONS WITHIN THE PARKING LOT.
SO THE FIRST IS IF THE QUEUE ISN'T GOING OUT TOO FAR, THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE OPENING AND IF THE QUEUE IS BLOCKING THAT OPENING, THEY'LL HAVE TO TAKE THE LONGER ROUTE, BUT THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO GET TO THE TANKS AND FILL UP.
SO THE, THAT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM.
NOW REGARDING THE QUEUING ANALYSIS, I, I LOOK THROUGH EVERYTHING AND IT, IT DOES REFLECT CONDITIONS WE'VE SEEN.
I HAVE A CAMERA THAT POINTS RIGHT THERE, SO I CAN CHECK THE DATA AGAINST WHAT THEY'RE SAYING.
AND IT DOES LOOK, IT REFLECTS THE CONDITIONS WE'VE SEEN.
AND THEN THE LITTLE DRIVEWAY WE'RE ALL DISCUSSING ON LAHABRA BOULEVARD.
SO THE LITTLE OPENING THAT HAS CONES, MOST OF THE TIME THAT WE'VE NOTICED WE HAVE THAT IN THE CONDITIONS.
UH, THE ONE ON HARBOR IN FULLERTON, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE, THEY ACTUALLY JUST CLOSED IT.
IF TRAFFIC QUEUING BECOMES A HUGE BURDEN ONTO THE ROADWAYS, THEN WE COULD ULTIMATELY GO THERE, BUT WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH THEM AND BASED ON THEIR ANALYSIS DATA, IT SHOULD NOT GET TO THERE.
AND UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE LOSING SPACES, BUT WE'RE LIKE, UH, WAS BROUGHT UP OVER SPACES ON PARKING.
SO THE HOPE IS THAT THAT WILL, UH, MITIGATE AND KIND OF ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT PRESSURE ON THE BACK.
UH, I HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE FOR, FOR DAVID, IF WE COULD JUST REDIRECT, UM, THERE, THE, DAVID, YOU SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE EXCESS OF PARKING SPACES BASED ON WHAT'S REQUIRED AT THIS SITE.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE LIKE THOSE SPECIFIC NUMBERS IN FRONT OF YOU.
A CODE COMPLIANCE TABLE WAS PROVIDED IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT, UH, SPECIFIES HOW MANY SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.
CAN YOU RATTLE THAT OFF FOR US? OH, OF COURSE.
UH, SO OUR CITY REQUIREMENT REQUIRES 599 SPACES, AND THAT'S THE RATIO OF FOUR PARKING SPACES FOR EVERY THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF GROSS SQUARE AREA.
IN ADDITION, TWO PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THE GAS STATION.
SO A A GRAND TOTAL OF 6 0 1, CORRECT? MM-HMM,
AND AND HOW MANY DO THEY HAVE THERE? WITH THE PROPOSED EXPANSION? THEY'LL HAVE A TOTAL OF 704 SPACES.
SO AFTER THE NET LOSS OF THE 21 AND ALL THE DUST IS SETTLED, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 7 0 4, 7 0 4 MM-HMM.
UM, I DEFINITELY DO, AND I THINK TO ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, A CONCERN THAT I HAVE IN THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IS IT REALLY ELIMINATES THE EASE OF PARKING IN A LOT OF THOSE SPACES THAT THE QUEUE LINES ARE JUST BLOCKING.
AND I MEAN, SO TO SAY THAT THOSE SPACES ARE THERE, YES, THEY'RE THERE, UM, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT USABLE, UM, IF THE QUEUE IS BLOCKING THEM.
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TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THIS AND DISCERN, OKAY, 62 TO 28 AND EVERYWHERE IN BETWEEN, HOW MANY OF THOSE SPACES ARE GONNA BE BLOCKING AND, AND WHAT DOES THAT REALLY LOOK LIKE IN, IN ACTUALITY IS, IS KIND OF DIFFICULT.UM, I FEEL BETTER HEARING THAT THERE'S STILL 103 SPACES OVER, UH, WHAT'S REQUIRED.
AND I THINK PRACTICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD PROBABLY TALK IN CIRCLES ABOUT IF WE REALLY THINK THAT'S ENOUGH OR NOT.
UM, ON A SATURDAY AFTERNOON AROUND NOON, I DON'T THINK 1200 IS ENOUGH, UM,
I I DON'T LOVE THAT THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN IS, IS MAKING A, A LOT OF THESE SPOTS A UNUSABLE, I FEEL BETTER THAT IT'S NOT MAKING 103 OF THE SPOTS UNUSABLE.
IF THAT WERE THE CASE, I FEEL LIKE I'D BE IN STRONG OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE I WOULD SAY THAT THOSE SPOTS ARE THERE, BUT THEY, THEY AREN'T.
UM, SO I, I THINK I, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT WITH THOSE CONDITIONS AND I WOULD DEFINITELY BE CURIOUS TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE WITH THAT DRIVEWAY AND, UM, AND WHERE THAT GOES WITH THE STUDY AND, AND ALL OF THAT.
SO MY, MY QUESTION WAS, UM, HAS THERE BEEN CONSIDERATION FOR THE PUBLIC TO RESPOND TO THEIR FEELINGS WITH THE EXPANSION AND THE PARKING? WOULD THAT BE A QUESTION FOR OUR YEAH, WE HAVE NO COMMENT FROM THE PUBLIC TONIGHT, RIGHT? NO, I WOULD JUST SAY JUST LIKE NORMAL PROJECT PLAN REVIEWS, A NOTICE WAS SENT OUT TO EVERYONE WITHIN A 300 FOOT RADIUS AND WAS INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE RE WE RECEIVED NO RESPONSES WHATSOEVER.
SO, UM, WE WILL NOW, UM, TAKE A MOTION.
CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING REALLY QUICK? YES.
I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
I'LL JUST SAY THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S NEEDED, BUT YOU'RE IN COMPLIANCE, SO I'M GOING TO, MY VOTE IS GONNA BE TO APPROVE IT.
I MEAN, I'M JUST GONNA SAY I'M JUST NOT CRAZY ABOUT IT.
AND YEAH, I, I FEEL, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE SAID, I FEEL THE SAME WAY.
I MEAN, LIKE MS. LOPEZ MADE A COMMENT, SHE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS SAY THEY, THEY WANT TO BUY FUEL HERE, BUT THEY DON'T WANNA WAIT IN THE QUEUE LINE.
AND SO COSTCO'S, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS ORIENTED RESPONSE TO THAT AS WELL, LET'S ADD MORE FUEL PUMPS.
AND, YOU KNOW, AS A CONSUMER I WOULD SAY, WELL, I WANT TO GO TO COSTCO, BUT I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO GO BECAUSE THERE'S NOT AMPLE PARKING FOR ME NOW.
I STILL GO, BUT I'LL JUST ADJUST MY BEHAVIOR ACCORDINGLY.
AND AS FRUSTRATING AS THAT IS FOR ME AS A CONSUMER AND A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, PROBABLY MORE FRUSTRATED WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, WHAT THE CODE IS MORE THAN THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
SO YEAH, WITH, WITH ALL OF THAT TO SECOND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, NOT EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT, BUT, UM, I, I, I THINK I WOULD SUPPORT IT.
I WAS ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT WHEN IN, UH, 2018 WHEN THAT WAS APPROVED AND, UM, WE, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH AND WE SAID THE SAME THING.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EXCITED, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT IT'S NEEDED.
WE DEFINITELY NEED THE MORE PUMPS.
IT, YOU KNOW, THIS TOOK A LOT US A LONG TIME LAST TIME, SO I'M IN FAVOR.
AND WHAT I REALLY LIKE IS THAT IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UH, HELPING US FIGURE OUT THOSE ISSUES.
WE ALL LIVE HERE, WE ALL KNOW THE TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA.
WE ALL KNOW LAHARA BOULEVARD, WE ALL KNOW BEACH BOULEVARD, AND I'M GLAD TO HEAR FROM TRAFFIC ON THIS AND I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT THEY'RE MOVING THE TREES AND PUTTING 'EM BACK.
THAT'S REALLY EXCITING FOR ME.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION APPROVING THE PROJECT.
ARE WE OKAY GOING FORWARD? OKAY.
I MAKE A MOTION APPROVING THE RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIREMENT FINDINGS AND APPROVING DESIGN REVIEW 21 DASH OH FOUR AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 21 DASH OH TWO FOR EXPANSION AND CONTINUED OPERATION OF THE COSTCO AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATION AT 1 0 3 NORTH BEACH BOULEVARD.
AS PER THEIR APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO THE SECTION 5 1 15 3 0 3 C CLASS THREE NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERT CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL
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QUALITY ACT GUIDELINES.AND I'LL SECOND THAT AT EVERYONE.
MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO AND THIS WILL BECOME FINAL ON 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
SO TONIGHT'S SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DULY NOTED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR ZONE CHANGE 22 DASH ZERO THREE TO REPEAL CHAPTER 15.40.
OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNS AND STRUCTURES OF TITLE 15 BUILDINGS AND CONSTRUCTION.
ADD CHAPTER 18.23, SIGNATURE STANDARDS, SIGNATURE STANDARDS TO TITLE 18 ZONING OF THE LAHABRA MUNICIPAL CODE AND AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF TITLE 18 ZONING FOR CONSISTENCY WITH CHAPTER 18.23.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? YES, WE DID.
AN EMAIL WAS SUBMITTED BY THE OWNER OF GOLDEN COINS, UM, MR. GLENN HAMEL, AND IT WAS, UH, DISTRIBUTED TO STAFF.
DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES.
SUSAN KIM, DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU JUST SAID, THIS IS A CITY INITIATED REQUEST TO UPDATE THE SIGN CODE FOR THE CITY OF LA HABRA.
THIS REQUEST WAS ORIGINALLY PRESENTED AT THE AUGUST 28TH, 2023 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, TWO INDIVIDUALS REQUESTED TO MODIFY THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE TO ALLOW ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS RATHER THAN PROHIBIT THEM.
IN ADDITION, ONE OF THE INDIVIDUALS ALSO REQUESTED THAT THE COMMISSION CONSIDER ALLOWING WINDOW SIGNS TO ENCOMPASS UP TO 50% OF THE AREA OF A WINDOW RATHER THAN MAINTAINING THE MAXIMUM WINDOW COVERAGE CURRENTLY PERMITTED, WHICH IS 33%.
THE INPUT REGARDING THE ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS WAS CONSISTENT WITH INPUT THAT WE HAD RECEIVED AT THE PUBLIC WORKSHOP HELD BY STAFF IN JUNE.
AFTER HEARING THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND FURTHER DISCUSSION, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED TO CONTINUE THE ZONE CHANGE TO A DATE UNCERTAIN, TO PROVIDE STAFF ADDITIONAL TIME TO FURTHER RESEARCH AND POTENTIALLY MODIFY THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT RECOMMEND ANY CHAN CHANGES TO THE REQUIREMENTS FOR WINDOW SIGNS OR ANY OTHER PORTION OF THE ZONE CHANGE.
HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS, WHICH ARE ALSO DESCRIBED AS ANIMATED OR DIG DIGITAL DISPLAY SIGNS.
THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE DOES NOT ADDRESS ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS, WHICH ARE SHOWN IN THE RIGHT WITH THE BIG CIRCLE THROUGH IT
UM, THOSE ARE, UH, BILLBOARDS ARE ANY SIGN THAT'S NOT ADVERTISING THE BUSINESS INDUSTRY OR PURSUIT THAT'S CONDUCTED ON THE PREMISES ON WHICH A SIGN IS ERECTED OR MAINTAINED.
SO BASICALLY ADVERTISING OFFSITE ADVERTISING AS PART OF THE STAFF'S RESEARCH RELATED TO ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS, STAFF FOUND THAT THE JURISDICTIONS THAT PERMITTED ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS ONLY PERMITTED THEM ADJACENT TO FREEWAYS, THEREFORE, ITS LAHABRA IS NOT ADJACENT TO A FREEWAY.
AND GIVEN THE CONSTRUCTION OF BILLBOARDS HAS BEEN PROHIBITED IN LA HABRA SINCE 1960, STAFF DOES NOT RECOMMEND PERMITTING SUCH SIGNS.
STAFF REVIEWED THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE PERMITTING OF, OF ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS OR SIMILAR TYPES OF SIGNS BY OTHER CITIES.
THE CITIES OF LA MARADA ORANGE AND Y BELINDA CURRENTLY PROHIBIT THESE TYPES OF SIGNS.
THE CITIES OF ANAHEIM, BREA, BUENA PARK, DIAMOND BAR FULLERTON, ALL REQUIRED SOME TYPE OF DISCRETIONARY REVIEW, SUCH AS THE APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AS WELL AS OTHER LIMITATIONS, WHICH I'LL NOW SUMMARIZE IN ANAHEIM.
THESE TYPES OF SIGNS ARE REQUIRED TO BE THE SAME AS ANY WALL OR FREESTANDING SIGNS.
SO THEY MUST MEET THOSE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS AND THEY'RE LIMITED TO SPECIFIC USES.
COMMERCIAL RECREATION THEATERS, LARGE HOTELS AND MOTELS ON FIVE ACRES OR MORE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS.
AUTOMOBILE DEALERSHIPS, LARGE COMMERCIAL RETAIL CENTERS OVER 25 ACRES.
AND COMMUNITY AND RELIGIOUS ASSEMBLY IN BREA, SIMILAR TO ANAHEIM.
THEY HAVE TO BE DESIGNED THE SAME AS WALL OR FREESTANDING SIGNS ACCORDING TO THEIR CURRENT CODE.
THEY'RE ONLY PERMITTED IN COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL ZONES AND THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF A COORDINATED SIGN PROGRAM IN BUENA PARK.
THEY'RE ALLOWED IN THE COMMERCIAL REGIONAL ZONE, WHICH IS THE AREA AROUND BUENA PARK MALL, THE ENTERTAINMENT CORRIDOR SPECIFIC ZONE, WHICH IS ALONG BEACH BOULEVARD OF FRONT OF KNOTTSBERRY FARM AND THE AUTO CENTER SPECIFIC PLAN ZONE IN
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DIAMOND BAR.THESE SIGNS ARE LIMITED TO BEING FREEWAY ORIENTED SIGNS, AND IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONE THAT'S REFERRED TO AS AC THREE ZONE IN THAT CITY, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE ON A 4.5 ACRE SITE.
ONLY ONE SIGN IS PERMITTED PER SITE.
THEY MUST IDENTIFY MULTIPLE BUSINESSES.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 65 FEET, THE MAXIMUM AREA IS 1000 SQUARE FEET AND THEY HAVE TO BE 1300 FEET FROM RESIDENTIAL USES AND THEY MUST BE PART OF THE INTEGRATED DESIGN OF THE, UM, THE, UH, COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT THEY'RE A PART OF IN FULLERTON.
THEY DO REQUIRE ACUP, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC REQUIREMENTS IDENTIFIED.
UM, IN MY PAST, PATRICK, IT'S BEEN, UM, I'VE BEEN TOLD BY DEVELOPERS THAT THEY DO PREFER TO HAVE SOME OF THE REQUIREMENTS LISTED, OTHERWISE THE CUP PROCESS JUST BECOMES A NEGOTIATION AND IT'S REALLY CHALLENGING TO KNOW WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE PERMITTED IN WHITTIER.
THEY'RE ONLY PERMITTED FOR CHURCHES OR OTHER PLACES OF WORSHIP EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, HOSPITALS AND CENTERS FOR PUBLIC GATHERING AND FACILITIES USED FOR SPORTING EVENTS.
BASED ON THE RESULTS OF THE SURVEY, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ALLOW SUCH SIGNS, STAFF RECOMMENDS THE REGULATIONS AND LIMITATIONS SHOWN ON THIS SIDE SLIDE THAT THEY SHOULD BE LIMITED TO THEATERS, CINEMAS AND AUDITORIUMS, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, HOSPITALS AND MEDICAL CENTERS AND CHURCHES AND PLACES OF RELIGIOUS WORSHIP.
THEY SHOULD BE LIMITED TO, UM, THESE TYPES OF USES WHEN THEY'RE THE ONLY BUSINESS OR FACILITY ON THIS LOT.
SO THINK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ONE PROPERTY THAT HAS MAYBE JUST A CHURCH ON IT RATHER THAN, UM, INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES.
SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE A CHURCH USE AND THEN AN INDUSTRIAL USE AND AN OFFICE USE.
SO ONLY WHERE THEY'RE THE ONLY SOLE USER OF THE SITE OR ON A LOT THAT'S OVER FIVE ACRES.
AND SO THOSE WERE SIMILAR TO WHAT WE SAW IN THE OTHER CITIES.
WE ALSO WOULD LIMIT THEM TO ONE SIGN PER A LOT AND THAT THEY'D BE COUNTED TOWARDS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER AND MAXIMUM OF AREA THE SIGNS THAT ARE PERMITTED.
THAT MEETING THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS AS WALL OR FREESTANDING SIGNS IN ADDITION, UM, FOLLOWING THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE FOUND IN OTHER CITIES AS WELL AS, UM, IN THE HOWARD SIGN THAT HAS BEEN, THAT WAS APPROVED MANY YEARS AGO, THE ILLUMINATION WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED FROM 10:00 PM TO 5:30 AM THEY WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE STATIC MESSAGES OR IMAGES.
THE DISPLAY MAY CHANGE ONCE EVERY FIVE SECONDS.
AND THE DIFFERENCE THERE JUST TO EXPLAIN IS, UM, ONLY STATIC MESSAGES OR IMAGES MEANS THEY CAN'T BE FLASHING.
IT CAN'T BE AN ANIMATION THAT'S MOVING.
AND THEN THE DISPLAY CHANGING WOULD BE, IT COULD SAY HOWARD'S ELECTRONICS AND THEN IT COULD SAY PANASONIC TV AND THEN IT COULD SAY HOWARD'S ELECTRONICS.
JUST TO EXPLAIN THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
THEY WOULD NEED TO BE CONTROLLED BY A DIMMER BRIGHTNESS ADJUSTED AT THE REQUEST OF, UM, THE DIRECTOR, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WOULD BE BASED GENERALLY ON CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLAINTS THAT WE'D BE GETTING FROM SURROUNDING, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS AND THAT THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE TURNED OFF OR FROZEN IF THE SIGN MOUSE MALFUNCTIONS.
SO BEFORE YOU AS A RELU RESOLUTION THAT RECOMMENDS CITY COUNCIL ADOPTION OF AN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL CHAPTER 15.40, ADD CHAPTER 18.23, AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF TITLE 18 FOR CONSISTENCY WITH CHAPTER 18 POINT 23 AND MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT THE ORDINANCE IS EXEMPT FROM CQA STAFF HAS PREPARED TWO DRAFT ORDINANCES THAT ARE EXACTLY THE SAME WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE PERMITTING OF ANIMATED DIGITAL DISPLAY AND ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS.
OPTION ONE PROHIBITS THESE TYPES OF SIGNS, WHICH IS STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
AND OPTION TWO PERMITS THESE TYPES OF SIGNS SUBJECT TO THE LIMITATIONS THAT WERE IN THE, UM, TABLE THAT I JUST DISCUSSED.
STAFF REQUESTS THAT AS A PART OF THE APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, THAT THE COMMISSION SPECIFY WHICH VERSION OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO RE RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL.
IF THE CONSI COMMISSION CHOOSES THAT IT WANTS TO MODIFY ANY AREAS OF THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, IT MAY ALSO REQUEST THOSE MODIFICATIONS AS PART OF, AS PART OF THE MOTION.
SO FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU WANTED TO, UM, PERMIT ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS, BUT YOU WANTED TO LIMIT ELIMINATION FROM 9:00 PM TO 5:30 PM YOU WOULD JUST STATE THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION.
AND THEN IN ADDITION, THE COMMISSION ALWAYS HAS THE OPTION TO DENY, WHICH WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THE STANDARDS THAT ARE IN, UH, TITLE 15 OR YOU COULD CONTINUE THIS REQUEST TO A FUTURE MEETING.
AND WITH THAT, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE.
AT THIS TIME, I WILL ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE REQUIREMENTS AGAIN? THAT ONE? SO, UH, ONLY BUSINESSES OR FACILITIES
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OR A LOT OR A LOT OVER FIVE ACRES.SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF SEEMS A LITTLE FUZZY.
I KNOW HOWARD'S ISN'T OVER FIVE ACRES AND YOU KNOW, THE PERUVIAN PLACE ON WOODIER BOULEVARD ISN'T, UM, HOW DOES THAT FALL? CORRECT.
THE PROPOSED, UH, REGULATIONS WOULD NOT ALLOW THOSE TYPES OF SIGNS.
SO THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED FOR RESTAURANTS AND THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED FOR BUSINESSES.
THEY WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED FOR THEATERS, CINEMAS AND AUDITORIUMS, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS, HOSPITALS AND MEDICAL CENTERS AND CHURCHES IN PLACES OF RELIGIOUS WORSHIP CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE SAW IN OTHER CITIES.
AND SO WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN FOR LIKE COWARDS AS AN EXAMPLE? AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T HEAR THE OTHER ONE THAT MICHELLE WAS REFERENCING.
WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE THAT THE WAFFLE WOOD BLUE, THAT'S THE RESTAURANT, LIKE THE BLUE LIGHTS,
UH, SO IN THOSE CASES, LIKE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF, IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COMMISSION DECIDED TO GO? RIGHT, THE HOWARD SIGN WOULD CONTINUE TO BE ALLOWED BECAUSE IT WAS PERMITTED BY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE SIGNS THAT ARE, UH, AT LA PERLA WERE BUILT WITHOUT ANY PERMITS, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR BUILDING PERMITS.
AND SO THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED AT THIS TIME.
UN UNTIL THIS HAS BEEN DECIDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL, WE'VE ALLOWED LAP PERLA TO KEEP THE SIGNS AS LONG AS THEY ARE NOT ILLUMINATED.
BUT IN THE EVENT THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CHOOSES TO NOT ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PROHIBIT THEIR SIGNS, THEY WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED.
SO ON THE, ON THIS SLIDE THAT WE'RE ON RIGHT NOW, THE, THE FOUR BULLETED ITEMS UNDERNEATH, YOU KNOW, THE LIMITED TWO I THINK ARE REALLY CONSISTENT WITH ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, WHITTIER SHOWED LIKE FIVE, YOU KNOW, YOUR SUMMARY WAS FIVE BULLET POINTS AND YOU CAN GO ONE SLIDE BACK IF YOU WANT.
UM, I WAS JUST TRYING TO CAPTURE THE ONE THAT WASN'T THERE AND I THINK IT'S THE CENTER FOR PUBLIC GATHERING.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT'S INCORPORATED INTO THE NEXT SLIDE.
IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT IS GENERALLY ACCURATE.
HOWEVER, CHURCHES AND PLACES OF RELIGIOUS WORSHIP COULD MEET THAT DEFINITION AS WELL AS, UM, THEATERS, CINEMAS, AND AUDITORIUMS. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE TYPE OF USE IS.
WE REALLY DON'T SPLIT OUR USE TABLE DOWN TO A SPECIFIC USE CALLED PLACES OF PUBLIC GATHERING.
IF THE PROPERTY IS A CITY OWNED PROPERTY IS NOT SUBJECT TO TITLE 18, SO NONE OF THESE REQUIREMENTS WOULD APPLY.
AND THEN ON THE, A FEW SLIDES BACK WHEN YOU SUMMARIZE, LIKE I THINK THE THREE CITIES THAT JUST DON'T YEAH.
SO IF I LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, OKAY, LAMAR ORANGE AND YOUR BLENDER IN THAT CATEGORY, THOSE OTHER CITIES ON THE WRITER AND THE OTHER CATEGORY, WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT OPTION ONE ON THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH LARA ORANGE AND YOUR BELINDA? CORRECT.
AND OPTION TWO WOULD BE SOME VARIATION OF THE, THE CITIES ON THE RIGHT? CORRECT.
I I JUST WANTED TO SAY YOU REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE ASSIGNMENT.
UH, I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE'RE EVEN LOOKING AT THIS.
THIS HAS BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE, WE'RE ACTUALLY WE'RE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IN HERE ABOUT THIS.
I'M GONNA ADD ONE MORE QUESTION ON IF YOU WANT JUST TO HELP ME, SUSAN, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS LIKE THE REQUIREMENTS.
JUST TO HELP US BETTER UNDERSTAND, UM, LIKE THE SAME DESIGN STANDARDS AS WALL OR FREESTANDING SIGNS.
I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION'S GONNA BE CAPTURED.
BUT YOU KNOW, A CONCERN THAT I CAN THINK OF IS HEIGHT.
UH, IS THAT, WOULD THAT FALL UNDER LIKE THE WALL AND FREESTANDING SIGN STANDARDS? CORRECT.
THEY COULDN'T BE ANY TALLER THAN ANY OTHER FREESTANDING SIGN PERMITTED BY THE CODE.
AND, UM, THE ILLUMINATION FROM 10:00 PM TO 5:30 AM THAT I'M NOT SURE.
UH, I DON'T, I I CAN'T THINK THE LAST TIME I WENT BY HOWARD'S, YOU KNOW, AFTER 10 O'CLOCK, BUT JUST USING THAT ONE AS AN EXAMPLE, DO YOU MAYBE, YOU KNOW THE ANSWER IS THEIRS ELIMINATED 24 7, THERE'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE OFF DURING THOSE HOURS.
AND SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION WAS, YOU KNOW, THEIRS WOULD BE ALLOWED BECAUSE IT'S PERMITTED IN, BUT THEN WOULD THEIRS ALSO THEN FALL UNDER THIS DIS ILLUMINATION HOURS? AND THE ANSWER IS IT SHOULD ALREADY BE.
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IT SHOULD ALREADY BE.AND UM, JUST IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANNA LIMIT THE HOURS OF OPERATION ON THE USES THAT WE LIST HERE IS OFTEN THE USES THAT ARE LISTED THEATERS, EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS MAY BE NEAR RESIDENTIAL USES OR HOTELS.
NO ONE WANTS TO BE IN A HOTEL AND HAVE A SIGN ON AT NIGHT WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO SLEEP.
AND SO IT WAS REALLY INTENDED TO NOT IMPACT THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER OF THE AREAS.
AND I THINK I, I COULD BE WRONG, BUT I REALLY THINK LIKE LAHABRA HIGH SCHOOLS, LIKE I THINK THEIRS IS 24 7.
WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT.
UM, BUT WE WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? OH, A HARBOR THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
UM, WE LIVE BY HOWARD'S, WE'RE THE ONLY ONES ON THAT, UH, AREA ON THE END OF THE CITY AND WE DO SEE IT ON
WE CAN CERTAINLY HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT LOOK INTO THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST LETTING ME KNOW.
BUT SUSAN, CAN I, CAN I FOLLOW UP TO WHAT COMMISSIONER BURNER SAID? SHE SAID THERE'S NOTHING WE COULD DO ABOUT THAT.
IS THAT ACCURATE OR, I MEAN IF, WHAT I'M, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE BEFORE WE MAKE ANY DECISIONS OR HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS AS BEST AS POSSIBLE.
UM, AM I CORRECT IN UNDERSTANDING THAT LAHABRA HIGH SCHOOL, HOWARDS NONE OF THESE SIGNS THAT EXIST CURRENTLY AND IN THE FUTURE IF APPROVED AND IF ALLOWED TO BE, NONE OF THEM SHOULD HAVE ILLUMINATION BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 5:30 AM IF, IF, IF THIS IS THE LANGUAGE WE'RE GOING WITH? CORRECT.
IF YOU ADOPT THIS LANGUAGE, HOWARD, TO BE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR IT, WHICH I BELIEVE HAS THE HOURS OF OPERATION IS 10:00 PM TO 5:30 AM THEY HAVE TO BE TURNED OFF.
WE DO NOT TEND TO DO PROACTIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT.
HOWEVER, IF SOMEONE MAKES A COMPLAINT, THAT'S WHEN WE TYPICALLY, UM, WOULD HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT ON AN ISSUE LIKE THIS.
FOR THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS, THEY'RE A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE SUBJECT TO THE REGULATIONS OF THE STATE.
THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS REGULATIONS.
AND THAT IS WHAT COMMISSIONER BERNIE I BELIEVE MEANT.
AND WE HAVE, WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT IN THAT THE, BASICALLY THE SCHOOL'S ANSWER TO THE STATE.
AND, AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO DO IS ALLOW FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED FOR PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
SO THEY'D FALL UNDER THE SAME, UH, CATEGORY AS UM, PUBLIC SCHOOLS.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? FOR, FOR PRIVATE SCHOOLS? NO, PRIVATE SCHOOLS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO OUR ZONING CODE.
AND SO IF THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE SAME TYPES OF SIGNS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AT PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THIS WOULD BE AN OPTION IF YOU CHOOSE TO ALLOW THESE TYPES OF SIGNS IN THE CITY, THEY'D FALL UNDER THE EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS? CORRECT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY, THEY ANSWER TO THE STATE.
THEY WOULD, WHEREAS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS WOULD ANSWER TO THE STATE PRIVATE SCHOOLS ANSWER TO US PUBLIC SCHOOLS ANSWER TO THE STATE.
AND UH, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON, UM, COMMISSIONER BURNER HOWARD'S SIGNED IS USUALLY GOING, IF YOU COME HOME AT 11 O'CLOCK OR WHATEVER TIME YOU HAPPEN TO BE DRIVING DOWN, UM, YOU WOULD SEE IT ON, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID YOU'RE NOT ACTIVELY GOING TO PURSUE, BUT OTHERS WOULD HAVE TO ONCE THE NEW RULES COME INTO PLAY, WHAT HAVE TO SPEAK UP? THE CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT WE DO IN OUR CITY IS TYPICALLY ON A REACTIVE BASIS.
AND SO IT'S BASED ON COMPLAINTS.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE PROACTIVELY DO.
UM, MONITORING ONE SPECIFIC CUP IS NOT SOMETHING THAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT PATROLS ON, BUT THEY DO GO THROUGHOUT THE CITY TO SEE, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING TO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT PATROLLING 24 HOURS A DAY.
SO WE'RE SOMETIMES NOT AWARE OF THOSE THINGS.
WELL, SUSAN, I WANTED TO JUST TO SAY THANK YOU, UM, FOR STAFF FOR LISTENING TO ALL THE COMMISSIONERS FROM OUR LAST PRE, YOU KNOW, MEETING, UM, WHEN THIS TOPIC CAME UP BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD POINTS IN, IN BOTH, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER TWO.
UM, AND AND LOOKING AT 1960S RULING, I MEAN WE ARE 2023, JUST ABOUT 2024.
AND I THINK LOOKING AT THAT, WE HAVE TO LOOK TO THE FUTURE AS WELL.
SO, UH, I BELIEVE LAHABRA ON A WHOLE IS, IS TAKING ALL THOSE, UH, NEW THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION.
WE APPRECIATE, UM, ALL THE TIME STAFF HAS GIVEN AND, UH, LISTENED TO US.
WELL, IF I MAY CLARIFY MY COMMENTS, THE HOWARD SIMON WAS APPROVED IN 1988.
BILLBOARDS HAVE BEEN PRO PRO PROHIBITED SINCE 1960.
AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THE EXISTING BILLBOARDS THAT ARE IN THE CITY, I KNOW SOME OF YOU MAY BE AWARE OF THE ONE ON, ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD, WE HAVE NOT HAD REQUESTS FOR THOSE TO BE ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS, SO I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THERE'S A MARKET DEMAND FOR THAT TYPE, TYPICALLY ELECTRONIC BILLBOARDS, THE MARKET DEMAND IS ALONG FREEWAYS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GET THE MOST EYEBALLS.
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SO WE WILL NOW OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING.UM, THIS IS A CITY INITIAL INITIATED REQUEST, THEREFORE, CITY STAFF HAS ALREADY SPOKEN.
UM, AS THE APPLICANT, WE WILL HEAR FIRST FROM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE.
PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
HI, COMMISSIONER SK AND ALL THE THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE.
UH, FIRST AND FOREMOST, UH, I WANT TO THANK THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
UH, THE FACT THAT, THAT THE REPORT WHEN IT CAME OUT WAS VERY COMPREHENSIVE, VERY SIMPLE TO READ, VERY THOROUGH, AND I REALLY WANT TO COMMEND YOU ON DOING A REALLY GOOD JOB.
UM, I ALSO WANT TO THROW A VERBAL FOUQUET AT DAVID LOPEZ, 'CAUSE DAVID HAS BEEN THE PERSON THAT I'VE WORKED WITH WHEN I FIRST BROUGHT THIS UP, AND HE'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE, AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY NOTICED AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DID, ESPECIALLY TODAY.
I HAD A QUESTION WHICH I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND, HE CLARIFIED IT WITH FOR ME AND THEN CALLED ME AFTER TO EVEN MAKE A, A BETTER CLARIFICATION.
SO I WANTED TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT.
SECONDLY, UM, YOU SAID MY NAME, BUT I DIDN'T INTRODUCE MYSELF, SO I BETTER DO THAT.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY REPRESENTING FRIENDS OF FAMILY HEALTH CENTER, AND SO I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF, UH, UH, THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE CEO.
UM, I WANNA SPEAK IN FAVOR OF OPTION TWO.
I THINK THAT, UM, AS, AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, UM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND I THINK OUR COMMUNICATION VEHICLES THAT EXIST TODAY, WE'VE BEEN RELYING HEAVILY ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
AND SOCIAL MEDIA ISN'T ALWAYS A TRUSTED SOURCE OF INFORMATION.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M HOPING THAT THE COMMISSION WOULD CONSIDER IS THE FACT THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN INSTITUTION LIKE FRIENDS OF FAMILY HEALTH CENTER, WHICH IS FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THAT'S HOW WE EXIST.
SO ANYTHING THAT WE PUT ON, ANYTHING HAS TO BE FOLLOWED.
IT FOLLOWS WHATEVER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TELLS US, AND IT FOLLOWS DATA.
SO THEREFORE IT IS TRUSTED INFORMATION.
AND, AND, AND SO WE THINK FOR ALL THE 22,000 PATIENTS THAT ARE MEMBERS THAT ARE FROM THE CITY OF LAHABRA, I THINK IT'S A GOOD VEHICLE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE INFORMATION, ESPECIALLY COMING OUT OF A PANDEMIC.
THE SECOND THING IS MORE OF SOMETHING THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT AS WE STARTED TO LOOK AT IT.
AND, AND HOPEFULLY IF, IF YOU DO MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION, THE ONE THING THAT I THINK MIGHT BE A REALLY GOOD, UM, CREATE A REALLY GOOD, UH, OPPORTUNITY IF APPROVED THAT IN THE REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU INCLUDE SOMETHING ALONG PUBLIC SAFETY WHERE IF, IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY OR SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DISSEMINATED AMONGST, UH, THE COMMUNITY, THAT THE CITY CAN REQUEST THAT ON THESE BILLBOARDS, CERTAIN MESSAGES ARE GIVEN OUT.
AND THE BEST DESCRIPTION I CAN GIVE IS LIKE AN AMBER ALERT.
PUBLIC SAFETY HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH CALTRANS, AND WHENEVER THERE'S AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE, THEY PUT 'EM ON ALL THE BOARDS IN, UM, ON, ON THE FREEWAYS AND THE ONES THAT CALTRANS, UH, REGULATES.
THAT WOULD BE KIND OF COOL TO BE ABLE TO HAVE HERE IN LAHABRA WHERE THERE IS A, A A, A KIND OF A, AN AGREEMENT THAT'S IN PLACE AS THESE SIGNS GET APPROVED AND AS THERE'S A NEED, THERE'S AN EMERGENCY THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE THAT INFORMATION DIRECTLY TO THE PUBLIC.
SO IT ISN'T JUST FOR OUR SAKE, IT ISN'T JUST ABOUT, UH, FRIENDS OF FAMILY COMMUNICATING OUR HEALTH INFORMATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY SERVING THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE'RE ONE OF 1700, UM, FACILITIES IN THE COUNTRY.
I DO WANT TO SAY WE'RE IN THE TOP 5% PERFORMANCE.
SO THE CITY OF LA HARA IS GETTING THE BEST CARE FOR BOTH PEOPLE THAT ARE INSURED AND UNINSURED.
AND SO WE'RE GONNA BE HERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, IF NOT FOREVER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PART DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU DAVID LOPEZ AND VERONICA, ALWAYS PLEASANT TO TALK WITH YOU WHEN I CALL.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT? HI, STATE YOUR NAME.
HI, MY NAME IS, UH, GREG JONES OVER AT, UH, JONES REAL ESTATE AT, UH, FOUR 40 WEST WHITTIER BOULEVARD IN LA HABRA.
AND I'M, UH, I NOTICED ON THE AGENDA THERE USED TO BE, I BELIEVE, A, A PUBLIC, UH, COMMENTS SECTION.
DOES THAT COME AFTER THE HEARING OR IS THAT NO LONGER AVAILABLE? THAT WAS IN THE BEGINNING.
I DIDN'T HEAR ANYBODY SAY IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS MEETING.
IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I MUST HAVE MISSED THAT.
I I, I I THINK YOU CAME IN ON TIME, BUT I THINK YOU MIGHT'VE JUST
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MISSED THAT.OH, BECAUSE IT WAS STATED BY I THINK THE SECRETARY AND THE CHAIR.
UM, IF THERE WAS A WAY WE COULD CIRCLE BACK AND I COULD GET TWO MINUTES OF THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT WHY I'M HERE RIGHT THIS MOMENT.
BUT, UH, I, WE ARE, UM, UH, UM, HERE ON BEHALF OF A BUILDING LOCATED AT 1530 WESTWOOD OR BOULEVARD, WHICH IS BASICALLY ACROSS FROM THE O'REILLY AND NORTHGATE MARKET CENTER HAS, UH, USED TO BE BANK OF CALIFORNIA AND, UH, SUMMER INSURANCE GROUP.
IT'S ABOUT A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT FREESTANDING BUILDING NEXT TO BIG FIVE.
AND I SUBMITTED, UH, COMMENTS BY EMAIL WITH PICTURES REGARDING WAREHOUSE, SHOE SOURCE THAT'S INTERESTED IN COMING TO LAHABRA.
AND I WAS TOLD IT WAS CIRCULATED TO THE COMMISSIONERS.
UH, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING FROM VERONICA OTHER THAN GLEN, UH, SUBMITTING COMMENTS.
BUT, UH, I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAPPENED TO RECEIVE THOSE COMMENTS.
UM, W WELL, WAREHOUSE, SHOE SOURCE OR WSS DOESN'T WANT DIGITAL SCIENCE, BUT HAS SPORTS FIGURES ON THE EXTERIOR OF THEIR BUILDING FACADE.
AND, UH, WE HAVE, UH, A CONFERENCE COMING UP THIS WEEK, UH, IN SAN DIEGO, WEDNESDAY THROUGH FRIDAY IN SAN DIEGO, UH, KNOWN AS THE INTERNATIONAL SHOPPING CENTER CONFERENCE, WHERE A LOT OF DEVELOPERS, BROKERS, AND TENANTS ALL, UH, MEET TO TRY AND, UH, MAKE SOME DEALS.
AND WSS SAYS, BASED ON PAST MEETINGS, THAT THEY WON'T EVEN AGREE TO MEET WITH US UNTIL THEY GET SOME DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY WOULD SUPPORT WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS LIKE THEIR NATIONAL BRAND.
UM, UH, THIS IS A NATIONAL TENANT THAT HAS THE SAME SIGNAGE IN OVER 120 LOCATIONS ACROSS THE US AND I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE COULD TRY AND ACCOMMODATE, UH, THE, THE CHANGES TO BUILDING DESIGNS TO CONTINUE TO ATTRACT REGIONAL AND NATIONAL TENANTS INTO THE CITY OF LAHABRA.
SO, UH, I'M HOPING THAT YOU CAN SUPPORT, UH, BRINGING WSS TO LAHABRA AND ALSO, UH, APPROVING THEIR SIGNAGE, WHICH HAS SPORTS FIGURES ON THE EXTERIOR FACADE OF THEIR BUILDING.
AND I THINK WITH WHAT THEY WOULD DO TO THAT BUILDING AS FAR AS A FACADE REMODEL WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE CITY.
I THOUGHT VERONICA WAS GONNA BE ABLE TO SHOW SOME PICTURES OF THE, UH, THE LOCATION IN WHITTIER THAT, UH, THEY'RE ABOUT TO OPEN.
UH, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT IF YOU GUYS SAW THEM, THEN YOU WERE ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SO, UM, AGAIN, IF YOU COULD, UH, SUPPORT THAT AND, UH, WE COULD GET SOME FEEDBACK ON THAT.
I CAN CALL THEM TOMORROW AND TRY AND ARRANGE FOR A MEETING ON THURSDAY WHILE WE'RE AT THE CONFERENCE, POTENTIALLY WITH SUSAN KIM AND OTHER, UH, PLANNING STAFF, UH, TO ACTUALLY MEET WITH THEM AT THE CONFERENCE.
WELL, MR. JONES, YOU COULD LET THEM KNOW THAT WE DID RECEIVE THE INFORMATION YOU SUBMITTED AND IT DID HAVE THE PICTURES AND IT DID HAVE THE LOCATION OF YOUR WHITTIER AND WERE YOU'RE PROPOSING FOR LAHABRA.
UM, SO AT LEAST THAT HOPEFULLY IS ENCOURAGING AND WE WILL CERTAINLY AS COMMISSIONERS LOOK AT THE INFORMATION WHEN IT'S PRESENTED TO US.
WELL, I, MY POINT IS, UNTIL THEY HEAR FROM SOMEONE AT THE CITY THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN HAVING WSS COME TO THE CITY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT COMING BACK TO LA HABRA.
YOU'VE ALREADY EXCEEDED YOUR THREE MINUTES, BUT, UM, VERONICA, UM, SONIA, SO I CAN SAY, UM, REGARDING MR. JONES' REQUEST AS PROPOSED, THE DRAFT SIGN ORDINANCE, THE CODE WILL ALLOW FOR A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WALL SIGNAGE ON THE PRIMARY FACADE.
MR. JONES HAS SHARED ELEVATIONS, WHICH COULD INCLUDE A REMODEL TO THE BUILDING, WHICH WOULD EXPAND THE WALL AREA, AND A PRIMARY FACADE COULD INCLUDE UP TO 30% OF THAT ELEVATION.
SIGNAGE WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED ALONG INTERIOR SIDES.
THIS IS NOT A CORNER LOT DOESN'T HAVE, UM, INTERIOR SIDES THAT FACE THE, THE STREET.
HE ALSO HAS AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING, UM, PYLON SIGN.
ASSUMING THAT THAT HAS NOT BEEN ABANDONED, HE MAY CONTINUE THE USE.
I DON'T WANNA GO INTO THE DECISION ON THE, THE SIGN ITSELF, BUT THE, AS PROPOSED, THE SIGN CODE DOES HAVE THE CAPACITY TO ALLOW FOR A VARIETY OF TYPES OF SIGNS, AND THOSE ARE THE EXAMPLES OF THE TYPES OF SIGNS THAT COULD BE PERMITTED.
SO, MADAM VICE CHAIR, IF I CAN INTERRUPT, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE COMMISSION SHOULD BE GETTING INTO THE PROJECT SPECIFIC DETAILS TONIGHT.
THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF THE SIGN CODE AMENDMENTS GENERALLY AND SHOULDN'T GET INTO ANY SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
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OKAY.ANY CHANCE WE CAN CIRCLE BACK FOR LIKE THREE MINUTES OF COMMENTS ON THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION THAT I WAS HERE FOR AND APPARENTLY MISSED? VERONICA? IT'S UP TO ME.
YEAH, I, I PROMISE IT WON'T TAKE BUT A MINUTE.
WELL, DO YOU WANNA DO IT NOW OR YOU WANNA CLOSE THIS FIRST? IT HAS, THIS HAS, WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD MOVE ON WITH THIS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN ON THE TABLE ON THE FLOOR RATHER.
SUSAN WANTED SUSAN? NO, UH, OUR COUNSEL WAS ABOUT TO SAY I BELIEVE THE SAME THING, SO, OKAY.
SO IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE IN FAVOR, UM, AT THIS TIME, IS THERE ANYONE THAT, UM, TO INVITE CITY STAFF TO OFFER A REBUTTAL? UM, MADAM VICE CHAIR, I BELIEVE WE NEED TO ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE IN OPPOSITION TO THE ZONE CHANGE FOR COMMENTS? OKAY,
I GUESS WE WILL NOW, UM, CITY STAFF FOR REBUTTAL.
HAVE CITY, CITY STAFF COME UP AND REBUTTAL? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC, UM, OPPOSITION THAT I HAVE TO REBUTTAL.
IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FOR ME, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AT THIS TIME.
COMMISSIONERS, UH, SO JUST IN THE APPROVAL FOR CLARITY, WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO? CORRECT.
UM, YES, SUSAN, JUST ONE THING, YOU KNOW, IN PUBLIC HEARING IT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAVING AN ABILITY TO PROJECT CERTAIN MESSAGES ON THOSE DISPLAYS, UM, LIKE THE AMBER ALERTS WITH CALTRANS IS, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE CONDITION TO ADD IF WE SAW THAT FIT? UM, SEEMS LIKE THE LANGUAGE OF THAT MIGHT BE KIND WONKY.
UM, UH, AS CURRENTLY PRESENTED, ALL OF THESE SIGNS WOULD COME BEFORE YOU AS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, AND SO YOU COULD APPLY IT AS A CONDITION APPROVAL AT THAT TIME.
UH, I WOULD BE A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT REQUIRING CERTAIN LANGUAGE ON A SIGN BECAUSE IT COULD GET IN THE WAY OF SOME FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS THAT THE PROPERTY OWNER MIGHT HAVE, BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT BILLBOARDS DOING OFFSITE ADVERTISING ALONG A FREEWAY.
SO IT, IT, IT GETS A LITTLE TRICKY IN THERE.
UM, WE CERTAINLY COULD LOOK AT IT FURTHER, BUT AS I, AS I SAID, WE'LL BE LOOKING AT EACH ONE OF THESE AS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AND THEY'LL COME BEFORE YOU.
AND IF NECESSARY AT THOSE TIME, WE COULD CONSIDER THAT, BUT IN THE MEANTIME, WE CAN TALK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO SEE IF THAT'S EVEN A POTENTIAL CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER THE FIRST AMENDMENT.
I ACTUALLY HAVE A, A QUESTION FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
SO I'M, MY SENSE IS THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS BETTER BROUGHT UP IN ANOTHER.
UM, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE REALLY RELATED TO SIGN ORDINANCES, RIGHT? IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE BROUGHT UP IN ANOTHER, IT'S, IT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE.
SO WHAT IS YOUR SENSE? YES, COMMISSIONER MACHA, I, THAT'S KIND OF, I BELIEVE WHAT SUSAN WAS GETTING AT IS THAT IT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THIS SIGN CODE AMENDMENT, BUT WHEN YOU GUYS ARE CONSIDERING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WE CAN LOOK INTO THE LEGALITY OF IMPOSING SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR DETERMINING IF THERE'S ANOTHER MECHANISM TO GET A PROPERTY OWNER TO AGREE TO DISPLAY THOSE KINDS OF MESSAGES.
UH, SO WE WILL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR EITHER A DISCUSSION OR A MOTION AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION IF EVERYBODY'S OKAY.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? DEPENDS ON WHICH MOTION YOU'RE MAKING.
DULY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR ZONE CHANGE 22 DASH ZERO THREE TO REPEL CHAPTERS 15.40 OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNS AND STRUCTURES OF TITLE 15 BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTIONS ADDING CHAPTER 18.23 SIGN STANDARDS TO TITLE 18 ZONING OF LA HABO MUNICIPAL CODE AND AMENDING VARIOUS SECTIONS OF A TITLE 18 ZONING FOR CONSISTENCY WITH CHAPTER 18.23
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IF I MAY, COMMISSIONER, UM, BARNIER YOU HAVE LANGUAGE IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, UH, AFTER THE, UM, OH HOW, HOW THE MEETING SHOULD MOVE FORWARD.THAT HAVE THE LANGUAGE THAT WOULD FIT WITH EITHER OF THE MOTIONS.
I MAKE A MOTION APPROVING RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF HARBOR CALIFORNIA, RECOMMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE APPROVING ZONE CHANGE 22 DASH ZERO THREE TO APP REPEAL CHAPTER CHAPTER 15.40 OUTDOOR STRUCTURE ADVERTISING STRUCTURES OF A TILE 15 BUILDING IN CONSTRUCTION, ADDING CHAPTER 18.23 SIGNED STANDARDS TO TITLE 18 ZONING AND AMENDING VARIOUS SECTIONS OF TITLE 18 ZONING FOR CONSISTENCY WITH CHAPTERS 18.2 SIGNAGE STANDARDS OF LA HABER MUNICIPAL CODE, INCLUDING ALLOWING ANIMATED DIGITAL DISPLAY AND ELECTRONIC MESSAGE SIGNS AS SHOWN IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE PROVIDED AS ATTACHMENT THREE.
AND RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MAKE REC DETERMINATION THAT THE ORDINANCE IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL CQA ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 15 0 6 1 B THREE OF THE CA GUIDELINES.
CAN I HAVE EVERYONE ENTER YOUR VOTE PLEASE? MOTION PASSES.
FOUR ZERO AND THIS ITEM WILL BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THEIR CONSIDERATION.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF AT THIS TIME? I JUST HAVE A BRIEF UPDATE.
SO AT YOUR NEXT MEETING, STAFF ANTICIPATES PRE PRESENTING A GROUP OF HOUSING RELATED ZONING CODE AMENDMENTS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THESE AMENDMENTS WERE INITIATED THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL'S ADOPTION OF THE 2021 THROUGH 2029 HOUSING ELEMENT ARE AND ARE NECESSARY FOR THE CITY TO REMAIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH STATE HOUSING LAW.
ADDITIONALLY, I ALSO WANTED TO INFORM THE COMMISSION THAT, UM, STAFF WILL BE HOLDING A COMMUNITY SAFETY ELEMENT AND ENVIRONMENTAL JUSTICE OPEN HOUSE TOMORROW.
IT'LL BE HELD AT THE LAHABRA COMMUNITY CENTER.
WE'RE OFFERING PRESENTATIONS AT TWO TIMES FOR THE COMMUNITY AT 10:00 AM AND 6:30 PM AND EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY IS INVITED TO ATTEND.
UM, SONIA, ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? UM, YEAH, MIKE, I WOULD JUST OFFER A MINUTE TO MR. JONES, UM, AT EVERYONE ELSE'S APPROVAL.
I, I, I, AND AFTER THAT, CAN WE MAKE OTHER COMMENTS OR? ABSOLUTELY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR, UH, HEARING ME.
AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HEAR THE BEGINNING THAT THERE WAS PUBLIC COMMENTS, BUT I WANTED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE BEING REQUIRED WHEN NEW TENANTS ARE MOVING INTO THE CITY.
UH, AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
UP UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR AGO TO OPEN AN ICE CREAM STORE IN THE CITY OF LAHABRA, YOU NEEDED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
NOW IF YOU WANT TO, AND NOT NOW.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, IF, IF YOU WANNA OPEN A, A DANCE STUDIO OR A GYM, UH, THESE ARE PRETTY INNOCENT USES.
IT SEEMS AS THOUGH THERE WOULD BE A WAY THAT, UH, PLANNING COULD INITIATE, UH, UH, PARAMETERS IN WHICH THEY HAD TO OPERATE, WHETHER IT BE BUSINESS HOURS OR WHATEVER, THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A BUSINESS TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS.
IT COSTS ABOUT $7,000 TO DO IT.
IT'S ABOUT THREE MONTHS MINIMUM.
BY THE TIME YOU DRAW YOUR PLANS, IT'S SUBMIT 18 SETS OF PLANS TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING DONE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S A HUGE EXPENSE TO A BUSINESS TO COME INTO THE CITY.
AND I THINK THERE ARE OTHER USES THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED BY PLANNING THAT WOULD MAKE IT MORE USER-FRIENDLY, UH, BY LAHABRA TO TENANTS COMING INTO THE CITY WHEREBY THEY DON'T SAY, OKAY, WELL IF I'M NOT REQUIRE TO HAVE A, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN LAHABRA, I'LL GO NEXT DOOR TO BREA OR FULLERTON OR WHITTIER.
AND WE'RE LOSING BUSINESSES BECAUSE OF IT.
AND I DO A LOT OF LEASING AND I SEE THIS STUFF ALL THE TIME.
SO I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF YOU GUYS CAN DISCUSS THIS INTERNALLY, BUT IT WOULD REALLY HELP BRING MORE BUSINESSES INTO LA HABRA BY DOING, UH, APPLICATIONS SIMILAR TO THE SURROUNDING CITIES.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
I, UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS.
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THAT YOU MIGHT, I MEAN, THE STAFF MIGHT KNOW A LITTLE BIT BETTER, BUT I THINK THAT'S BEING ADDRESSED IN SOME OF THE CHANGES IN OUR, IN OUR WELL WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT THAT ANYHOW.JUST WANNA POINT OUT THAT YEAH.
UM, PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A THAT WE CAN'T RESPOND TO THOSE COMMENTS DURING THE MEETING.
BUT WHAT I WANTED TO SAY EARLIER THAT NOT RELATED TO THAT, UM, WE RECENTLY JUST HAD THE CORN FESTIVAL, AND I JUST WANNA SAY IT WAS, IT WAS A LOT OF FUN.
AND I WANTED TO THANK THE LA HABRA HOSTS LIONS EVERY MORNING THAT I WALK.
'CAUSE I WALK IN THE MORNING EVERY MORNING.
THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF TRASH ON THE FLOOR, NOT A SINGLE PIECE OF TRASH.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE THE CITY AND, AND, AND THE COMMUNITY JUST REALLY DID SUCH A GREAT JOB OF TAKING CARE OF OUR STREETS.
SO I JUST WANTED TO COMMEND THEM FOR THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM OUR COMMISSIONERS? NO, JUST THAT I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE HAVING THESE WORKSHOPS THIS YEAR.
IT'S BEEN REALLY GREAT TO SEE THE COMMUNITY'S INPUT AND, UH, HEAR, UH, THE CHANGES THAT STAFF ISN'T INTERESTED IN MAKING OR GET, YOU KNOW, JUST IN GENERAL.
WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, SO IT'S REALLY, UH, REFRESHING JUST SEEING THEM.
COMMISSIONER MANNAN? NO, I'M GOOD.
UM, I JUST WANNA ALSO THANK THE CITY AND, UM, ALSO THE LA HABER HOST LIONS.
THEY DID A FANTASTIC JOB OF PUTTING TOGETHER, UM, THE WEEKEND.
IT WAS WONDERFUL WEATHER, UH, GOOD COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT AND TO SEE EVERYBODY OUT AND AND ENJOYING AGAIN.
UM, AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING IS THIS BEING, UM, OCTOBER IS BREAST CANCER AWARENESS.
UM, I'D LIKE TO, UM, CLOSE THE MEETING IN HONOR OF THOSE WHO HAVE GONE THROUGH THOSE WHO ARE GOING THROUGH AND THOSE WHO MADE IT A GOOD FIGHT TO GET THROUGH.
AND I, AND I HAVE A A COUPLE OF FRIEND, PERSONAL CLOSE FRIENDS THAT ARE GOING THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW, AND I, UM, JUST KEEP THEM IN YOUR PRAYERS AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE THAT SUPPORTS THE CAUSE.
AND WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO ADJOURN TO ADJOURN TO, UH, THE MONDAY OF NOVEMBER 13TH FOR OUR VERY NEXT MEETING.