* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ORDER. WILL THE [00:00:01] AUDIENCE PLEASE STAND AND [ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, APRIL 22, 2024 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.] JOIN? COMMISSIONER ROJAS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PUT YOUR RIGHT HAND OVER YOUR HEART. READY? BEGIN, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN THE BUSINESS WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE. PLEASE BE SEATED. WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL VICE CHAIR MANLY HERE. COMMISSIONER ROJAS. HERE. COMMISSIONER MACHA. HERE. COMMISSIONER CARDENA PRESENT WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT. PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR SPEAKING TIME AND NOT BE GRANTED ON OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL. FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE. THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA. PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING. THANK, THANK YOU. I KNOW I, I BELIEVE WE HAVE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT THAT WANT TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, BUT I'LL JUST BE CLEAR, UH, FOR THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING, IT'S ONLY TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANYTHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION FOR ANYTHING? NOT ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA. OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUEST SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED. ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALER CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA. PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR. SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE AND TWO. ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED. FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE A, REMOVE AN ITEM? NO. SO IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO HAVE AN ITEM REMOVED FOR SOMETHING NOT ON THE AGENDA? JUST FOR THE CONSENT CALENDAR, SIR. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE STARBUCKS. PERFECT. WE'LL GET TO THAT. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT THIS CAN BE CONFUSING TO FOLLOW, SO I APPRECIATE IT. UM, SO SEEING NONE IN THE AUDIENCE, MAY I HAVE A MOTION? UM, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR. I SECOND. MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MAHEA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROJAS. EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTE. SO YES. OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO. YEAH, I HATE CONFIRM. MOTION PASSES. FOUR ZERO. OKAY, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING. THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS. THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THE STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION. REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR. AFTER ALL HOUSE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTION IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE. IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE LECTERN. WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU'LL FIND THE SPEAKER'S CARD ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER. WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR. THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGE BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE. PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS. FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE. TONIGHT'S FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH ZERO FIVE AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 23 DASH ZERO THREE TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT STARBUCKS COFFEE WITH OUTDOOR MENU BOARDS AT 5 41 EAST WOODIER BOULEVARD. DID [00:05:01] WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? UM, KATHY TOWNSEND DID SUBMIT SOMETHING IN WRITING THAT I PASSED OUT. UM, IN CASE HER TIME RUNS OUT, SHE WANTED YOU ALL TO HAVE A COPY AND I CAN CONFIRM THAT THE COMMISSION DID RECEIVE A LETTER FROM KATHY AND TOM TOWNSEND. THANK YOU FOR THAT. UH, DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? GOOD EVENING. MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION AND FOR THOSE DON'T KNOW ME IN THE AUDIENCE. MY NAME IS SONYA LOUIE. I'M THE PLANNING MANAGER. THE PROJECT BEFORE YOU IS LOCATED AT 5 41 EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD. IT'S AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND CHESTNUT STREET. IT IS THE SITE FORMERLY OCCUPIED BY THE LAHABRA ELKS LODGE. THERE ARE TWO APPLICATIONS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT. THE FIRST IS FOR A DESIGN REVIEW, 23 DASH ZERO FIVE. THIS IS TO ALLOW THE NEW CONSTRUCTION OF A 1200 SQUARE FOOT DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT. THE SECOND APPLICATION BEFORE YOU IS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 23 DASH ZERO THREE. THIS IS TO ENABLE THE OPERATION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT INCLUDING OUTDOOR MENU BOARDS WITH SPEAKERS AS PROPOSED. STARBUCKS COFFEE WISHES TO OPERATE PRIMARILY AS A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT. NO INDOOR DINING IS PROPOSED AS PART OF THE FLOOR PLAN. HOWEVER, THE BUILDING DESIGN DOES INCLUDE A WALK-UP WINDOW AS WELL AS OUTDOOR SEATING FOR ABOUT 10 PEOPLE. THERE IS NO MUSIC OR TELEVISIONS PROPOSED WITHIN THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA AND A UNISEX RESTROOM WILL BE AVAILABLE TO STARBUCKS PATRONS, WHICH WILL BE SECURED BY AN ELECTRONIC KEYPAD IN ORDER TO PREVENT UNAUTHORIZED USE OF THE RESTROOM FACILITY. HOURS OF OPERATION ARE PROPOSED, 5:00 AM TO 10:30 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, AND APPROXIMATELY FOUR TO SIX EMPLOYEES WILL MANAGE THE RESTAURANT OPERATIONS DURING EACH WORK SHIFT. HERE'S A RENDERING PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT SHOWING THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING AS WELL AS THE SITE LAYOUT. I'D LIKE TO BRIEFLY GO OVER EACH OF THE FEATURES OF THE BUILDING DESIGN AS WELL AS THE SITE TO BEGIN WITH. HERE ARE THE BUILDING DESIGN ELEVATIONS. THE EAST ELEVATION DEPICTS WHAT THE BUILDING WILL LOOK LIKE AS VIEWED FROM CHESTNUT STREET. THE BOTTOM ELEVATION DEPICTS THE VIEW OF THE NEW BUILDING FROM EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD. AS PART OF THE BUILDING DESIGN, THE APPLICANTS INCORPORATED A TOWER FEATURE, WHICH WILL BE CLAD AND CEMENT TILE HELPS PUNCTUATE EACH OF THE STREET FACING ELEVATIONS. THE REMAINING BACKGROUND WALLS ARE STUCCO CLAD AND WILL BE PAINTED WHITE. A DARK GRAY COPEN OUTLINES THE TOP OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THERE ARE CANOPIES WHICH HELP ACCENT THE BUILDING, BUT ALSO SERVE THE FUNCTION OF PROVIDING A COVER AREA FOR PEOPLE VISITING EITHER THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW OR WALK UP WINDOW. THE CHESTNUT STREET ELEVATION ALSO CONTAINS THE OUTDOOR, UH, PATIO AREA, WHICH IS ENCLOSED BY A LOW RAILING. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT NOTED WITH THE TWO GREEN UMBRELLAS THAT WILL PROVIDE SHADE, UM, FOR THOSE OUTDOOR PATRONS. ON THE FAR RIGHT OF THE BUILDING, AGAIN AT THE TOP ELEVATION ON THE CHESTNUT VIEW, THERE ARE TWO DOORS. THE FIRST DOOR ON THE LEFT IS FOR EMPLOYEES ONLY, WHICH LEADS INTO THE RESTAURANT FOOD PREPARATION AREA. THE DOOR ON THE RIGHT IS THE REST RESTROOM DOOR THAT WILL BE SECURED WITH THE ELECTRONIC KEYPAD. HERE ARE VIEWS OF THE WEST ELEVATION. THIS IS THE SIDE FACING THE EXISTING MULTI-TENANT OFFICE. UM, DEVELOPMENT TO THE WEST. YOU CAN SEE HERE THIS IS WHERE THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE WILL WRAP AROUND ALONGSIDE THE BUILDING, YOU CAN SEE THE, THE TOWERS [00:10:01] THAT POP UP OVER THE BUILDING TOP. UM, A NICE FEATURE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS ADDED IS THAT THEY WILL BE WRAPPING THE TOWER FEATURE, SO IT'LL PROVIDE A MORE FINISHED LOOK. EVEN WHEN LOOKING AT THE TOWER FROM BEHIND, YOU'LL SEE THE CEMENT TILE CLADDING WRAP AROUND THE BACKSIDE OF THE TOWER AS WELL. AND THIS HOLDS TRUE ALSO FOR THE NORTH ELEVATION. THIS IS THE SIDE FACING THE RESIDENCE. IN ORDER TO GIVE AN OFFER A MORE CLEAN LOOK, THE APPLICANT HAS ENCLOSED THEIR ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT WITHIN THE BUILDING. THE DOUBLE DOORS THAT YOU SEE HERE ON THE NORTH ELEVATION LEAD TO THE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT ROOM. AND ALSO BEFORE I MOVE ON, I JUST WANT TO MENTION THE APPLICANT'S INCORPORATED PARAPETS THAT HELP FULLY SCREEN ALL NEW ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT SO THAT IT WILL NOT BE VIEWABLE FROM ANY PUBLIC. UM, RIGHT OF WAY. THE APPLICANT'S PLANS INCLUDE FLOOR PLAN ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS FOR THE RESTAURANT. AGAIN, NO INDOOR DINING IS PROPOSED. THE FLOOR PLANS BEING UTILIZED WITH FOOD PREPARATION AREA, AREAS WHERE THE REFRIGERATION AND FREEZERS WILL BE STORED. AND THEN, UM, AREAS UTILIZE THE, THE EMPLOYEE RESTROOM AND THEN THE, UH, RESTROOM AVAILABLE TO STARBUCKS PATRONS. THE FLOOR PLAN ON THE RIGHT IS THE OUTDOOR DINING PATIO AREA, WHICH JUST SHOWS HOW THE TABLES AND CHAIRS WOULD BE LAID OUT, AS WELL AS THE PLACEMENT OF THE TWO UMBRELLAS ON THE OUTERMOST, UH, TABLES AND CHAIRS. AND THEN THE OUTLINE AROUND THAT IS THE RAILING THAT ENCLOSES THE OUTDOOR DINING. HERE IS A VIEW OF THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN. IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THIS PROJECT, THEY WILL BE DEMOLISHING THE 5,700 SQUARE FOOT ELKS LODGE BUILDING. ESSENTIALLY THE 1200 SQUARE FOOT NEW BUILDING IS GOING TO BE LOCATED TO THE WEST OF THE SITE, ALLOWING FOR A 17 VEHICLE, UM, DUAL LANE DRIVE THROUGH TO WRAP AROUND TO ENTER CHESTNUT AVENUE. IT'LL WRAP AROUND THE NORTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, MOVING SOUTH, ALLOWING VEHICLES TO EXIT ONTO WHITTIER BOULEVARD. IN THE REMAINING AREA, YOU'LL SEE THE PARKING LOT UNDER THE CITY'S CODE. A MINIMUM OF 10 OFF STREET PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO PROVIDE. THIS DOES INCLUDE A DA PARKING AS WELL AS PARKING SPACES DESIGNATED FOR EV CHARGERS AS WELL AS EV CAPABLE SPACES. AS NOTED, THEY'RE PROVIDING, UH, 10 PARKING SPACES IN ADDITION TO THE VEHICULAR PARKING. THE APPLICANT'S ALSO PROPOSING SOME ARTISTICALLY DESIGNED BIKE RACKS DEPICTED HERE IN THE PHOTO WITH THE SUN PATTERN DESIGN STAFF HAS ALSO BEEN WORKING WITH THE APPLICANT REGARDING POTENTIAL NOISE IMPACTS. UH, EMANATING FROM THE SITE. THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A NOISE IMPACT ANALYSIS, WHICH WAS PREPARED BY URBAN CROSSROADS AND DATED FEBRUARY 21ST, 2024. IN THE REPORT, TWO SOURCES OF NOISE WERE IDENTIFIED. IT INCLUDES NOISE EMANATING FROM THE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE HVAC EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS THE DRIVE THROUGH MENU BOARDS WITH SPEAKERS. IN THIS ANALYSIS, THEY UTILIZE A NOISE PREDICTION MODEL AND IDENTIFIED SOUND LEVELS AT THREE RECEPTOR SITES. THE ANALYSIS DETERMINED THAT NOISE LEVELS ARE NOT ANTICIPATED TO EXCEED THE CITY'S LIMITS. THE CITY'S LIMITS IS 55 [00:15:01] DECIBELS IN THE DAYTIME AND 50 DECIBELS DURING THE NIGHTTIME HOURS. AS A RESULT, STAFF HAS NOT REQUIRED NOISE MITIGATION AS AN EXTRA NOTE, I DO WANNA MENTION THE PROPOSED DRIVE THROUGH SPEAKERS DO HAVE A UNIQUE FEATURE FOR AUTOMATIC VOLUME CONTROL, WHICH WILL REDUCE THE SOUND LEVEL OF THE SPEAKERS BASED ON THE AMBIENT NOISE LEVEL CONDITIONS ON THE SITE. SO WHEN THE AMBIENT NOISE LEVEL CONDITIONS, UM, GET TO A THRESHOLD, LET'S SAY 70 DECIBELS, IT'LL RECOGNIZE THAT AMBIENT NOISE LEVEL CONDITION AND AUTOMATICALLY REDUCE THE SOUND LEVEL ADJUSTMENT SO THAT IT FALLS BELOW, UM, TO AN ACCEPTABLE RANGE. HERE IS A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT. THE APPLICANT IS IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE STREET FACING, UH, LANDSCAPE FRONTAGE ALONG BOTH WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND CHESTNUT STREET ALONG WHITTIER BOULEVARD. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE 15 FOOT SETBACK AND ALONG CHESTNUT STREET, A 10 FOOT SETBACK. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SITE PLAN, THE 10 FEET ALONG CHESTNUT IS NOT READILY IDENTIFIABLE BECAUSE THEY'VE INCORPORATED THEIR A DA PATH OF TRAVEL SIDEWALK, WHICH ELIMINATED THE NEED TO ADD FIVE FOOT OF LANDSCAPE ALONGSIDE, UH, A PORTION OF THE CHESTNUT SIDE. THE CODE ALSO REQUIRES A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TREES WITHIN THESE STREET FRONTAGE, LANDSCAPED AREAS. IT SPECIFICALLY REQUIRES ONE TREE MINIMUM 24 INCH BOX FOR EVERY 20 LINEAR FEET OF STREET FRONTAGE. BASED ON THAT CALCULATION, THE APPLICANT WOULD NEED TO PROVIDE A MINIMUM OF FIVE TREES WITHIN THE FRONTAGE ALONG EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND FIVE TREES WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE AREA. ALONG CHESTNUT STREET STAFF HAS ADDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING THAT THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN BE REVISED TO REFLECT THOSE REQUIREMENTS. THE CODE ALSO REQUIRES ONE TREE FOR EVERY 10 PARKING SPACES. SO WE'VE ALSO CONDITIONED THAT THAT ONE TREE BE ADDED TO THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE CODE IDENTIFIES A MINIMUM 7% OF THE PARKING LOT AREA BE LANDSCAPE. AND FOR THE RECORD, THE APPLICANT HAS FULFILLED THAT REQUIREMENT. YOU'LL NOTICE A NUMBER OF TREES. I'D JUST LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE NORTHERN PROPERTY LINE. THE APPLICANT IS PROVIDING A HEDGE OF U PINES, UH, 10 U PINES, EXACTLY, WHICH WILL SERVE TO PROVIDE A BARRIER BETWEEN THE PROJECT SITE AND THE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH. AGAIN, I PULL UP THE RENDERING 'CAUSE THIS ONE SHOWS AS CURRENTLY PROPOSE THE LANDSCAPE LAYOUT THAT THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING BEFORE ANY REVISIONS ARE MADE TO THEIR FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN. BEFORE I CONCLUDE, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS THAT I'VE RE UM, BEEN IN COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE APPLICANT REGARDING. UM, THERE ARE THREE QUICK CHANGES I'D LIKE TO NOTE VERBALLY. FOR THE RECORD, I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A REPRESENTATIVE, UM, MR. RODNEY ANI. UM, HE DOES HAVE A, A SIGNATURE BLOCK FOR THE ROYCE COMPANY, BUT I DO NEED TO CORRECT THAT THE APPLICATION APPLICANT SHOULD BE IDENTIFIED AS 5 4 1 WHITTIER, LLC. THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO REQUESTED REVISION OF STANDARD CONDITION 1.30. THIS PERTAINS TO WHO WILL IMPLEMENT TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES FOR THE PROJECT. WE'VE SIMPLY ADDED, UH, BUSINESS OPERATOR IN ADDITION TO THE APPLICANT DEVELOPER AS IMPLEMENTING [00:20:01] THE, THE DESIGNATED PERSON IMPLEMENTING THE TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURE. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, UM, WE DISCUSSED THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING STREETLIGHTS. WE WERE LOOKING AT THIS CLOSER WITH OUR ENGINEERING STAFF AND THE LIGHTS DO FALL OUTSIDE OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROJECT AREA. SO STAFF IS IN AGREEMENT TO REMOVE THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL. THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT REGARDING THIS PROJECT. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING BOTH THE TENTATIVE TRACK MAP AND DESIGN REVIEW. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE JUST A QUICK CLARIFI CLARIFICATION. THAT WAS THE CUP AND THE DESIGN REVIEW. UM, I'M SORRY, . THANK YOU. THANK YOU SONYA. THANKS SUSAN. UM, AT THIS POINT I'LL, I'LL CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU OR STAFF. UH, COMMISSIONER MACHA. I WANNA HEAR MORE ABOUT REMOVING THE PROJECT SPECIFIC CONDITION RELATED TO STREETLIGHTS. UM, WHY WE'RE NOT, WHY WE WOULDN'T CONSIDER IT. SO STAFF TOOK A CLOSER LOOK AT THIS AND THE STREETLIGHTS THAT THE EXISTING WOOD POLE STREETLIGHTS ACTUALLY DON'T FRONT OR, OR THEY'RE NOT CLOSE TO THE PROJECT FRONTAGE, THERE ISN'T A NEXUS TO REQUIRE THEM AS A RESULT TO REPLACE THE STREETLIGHTS IN FRONT OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY. WOULD YOU CONSIDER THAT MAYBE LIKE A LIGHT POLLUTION PO POSSIBLY FOR THE RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY OR IS THAT, WAS THAT GIVEN ANY THOUGHT IS, UM, THERE ARE EXISTING LIGHTS RIGHT NOW THERE IS A DEFICIENCY FOR ONSITE. WE DO HAVE A, ANOTHER CONDITION OF APPROVAL REVIEWING LIGHT LEVELS, UH, ON SITE. THEY DID CON PROVIDE A CONCEPTUAL PHOTOMETRIC PLAN AS WELL. UM, WE WILL MAKE SURE THERE'S ADEQUATE LIGHTING ON SITE. HOWEVER, THE LIGHT POLES THERE APPEARS TO BE NO NEXUS TO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT. AND IF I MAY CLARIFY, THESE ARE THE LIGHT POLES ALONG WHITTIER BOULEVARD. OH. AND THEY WEREN'T IN FRONT OF THE PROPERTY AND THAT'S WHY IT'S BEEN REMOVED. COULD I, COULD I GET YOU TO, JUST TO GO BACK TO ONE OF THE OVERHEAD VIEWS AS WE CONTINUE DISCUSSING? THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU. UM, COMMISSIONER MACHA, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO. COMMISSIONER ROJAS, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE HOURS OF OPERATION. UM, I NOTICED THAT THEY INDICATED THAT THEY WANT TO OPERATE FIVE A OR WAIT YES, FIVE TO 10 DAILY. UM, BUT THOSE STARBUCKS ON WHITTIER AND BEACH ONLY OPERATE FIVE TO NINE 30. SO I WAS WONDERING IF THERE'S SOME SET RULES ON OURS OF OPERATION WHEN A COMMERCIAL BACKS INTO A RESIDENTIAL. 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING AT WHITTIER AND BEACH. OBVIOUSLY BEHIND THAT STARBUCKS, THERE'S RESIDENTIAL AND I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT THEY ADJUSTED THOSE HOURS BECAUSE OF THOSE RESIDENTS BACK THERE BECAUSE THE ONE ON IMPERIAL AND BEACH ACTUALLY DOES, UM, OPERATE UNTIL 10 30. BUT THE ONE THAT BACKS INTO THE RESIDENT CLOSES AN HOUR EARLIER. SO I WANTED, I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THERE WAS ANY CONSIDERATION MADE WITH THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION. I CAN ONLY SAY FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT, THE CODE DOESN'T HAVE A STRICT RESTRICTION ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION. I'D LIKE TO DEFER THE REQUEST FOR THE HOURS TO THE APPLICANT STAFF. STAFF HAS SIMPLY RELAYED THE REQUEST THAT THEY'VE INDICATED ON THEIR APPLICATION. THANK YOU. . YEAH, THANKS COMMISSIONER CARDENAS. HI. YES, I DO HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. UM, CAN YOU PLEASE CLARIFY IF THE VOLUME ON THE, WHERE PEOPLE ORDER THE MENU, IS IT CONTROLLED BY THE STAFF THERE? IF IT GETS TO A ERENA AND THEY CAN EXCEED THAT? RIGHT. I I'D ALSO LIKE TO DEFER THE ACTUAL OP DRIVE THROUGH OPERATIONS TO THE APPLICANT. I CAN, I THINK THEY MAY ALSO HAVE THEIR NOISE. WE WE CAN COME BACK TO. WE CAN COME BACK TO THAT. YEAH. COME BACK. DO YOU WANT TO ASK YOUR SECOND QUESTION? YES. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S U PINES BEHIND ON THE, THE NORTH PART OF THE BUILDING. DOES THAT CONTROL SOME OF THE SOUND? IS IT A SOUND BARRIER KIND OF PLANT? [00:25:01] WE BELIEVE THAT THAT DOES PROVIDE SOME NOISE ATTENUATION, YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. IS THERE CURRENTLY ANY PLANTING AT ALL ON THE PROPERTY? A LOT OF CONCRETE? NO, IT'S ALL CONCRETE. MY MY RECOLLECTION IS MOSTLY CONCRETE THERE. THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH. SO NOTHING BUT CONCRETE THERE. SO A LOT OF GREEN GOING IN. UM, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT. SO IF I DID, I APOLOGIZE. COMMISSIONER ROJAS BROUGHT UP THE HOURS OF OPERATION. UM, AS FAR AS DELIVERIES GO, I I MAY HAVE MISSED THAT. SO IF YOU COULD JUST RESTATE THAT. UM, IS THERE WINDOWS OF TIME FOR DELIVERIES? WE DID NOT DISCUSS THE DELIVERY TIMES AND SCHEDULES WITH THE APPLICANT, BUT PERHAPS WE CAN, UM, HAVE THEM ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. OKAY. OKAY. AND DO YOU, I MEAN, ON THAT NOTE, DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A STANDARD CONDITION FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS IN THE CITY FOR THIS TYPE OF COMMERCIAL USE FOR THOSE HOURS TO BE CONDITIONED? IT'S NOT UNCOMMON THAT THE COMMISSION MAY REQUIRE CONDITION SPECIFIC PROJECT SPECIFIC CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING DELIVERIES, UM, DURING DAYTIME OR DURING CERTAIN LEVEL HOURS WHERE IT WOULD NOT BE AN IMPACT TO THE, UH, SENSITIVE USES INCLUDING RESIDENTS. OKAY. SO WE'LL COME BACK TO THAT TOO. UM, LOOKING AT LIKE THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE, THIS PICTURE IS FINE TO LOOK AT. UH, THERE WAS ANOTHER RENDERING THAT SHOWED WHAT WOULD APPEAR TO BE, YOU KNOW, VEHICLES IN THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE. I WAS TRYING TO COUNT, YOU KNOW, I I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS LIKE 18 VEHICLES IS WHAT WAS EXPECTED AND YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID THAT NUMBER AND I MISSED IT. UM, DOES THAT SEEM RIGHT SONIA? YEAH, ON THAT ONE, THE ONE YOU WERE JUST ON. YEP. THE DRIVE THROUGH CAN ACCOMMODATE A TOTAL OF 17 VEHICLES. OKAY. UNDER THE TRAFFIC STUDY IT WAS ANTICIPATED THAT THE ACTUAL RANGE ON A DAILY BASIS WOULD RANGE FROM 18 TO 13 CARS. SO THIS WILL FAR EXCEED WHAT'S ANTICIPATED. AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IN THE EVENT THAT CARS, UM, EXTEND ONTO CHESTNUT AVENUE, THE BUSINESS OPERATOR HAS AGREED TO IMPLEMENT A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN BY CLOSING THE CHESTNUT DRIVEWAY AND THEN REQUIRING CARS TO ENTER AND EXIT THROUGH WHITTIER BOULEVARD ONLY. THAT'LL ALLOW THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUING TO HAVE, UTILIZE THE DRIVE AISLE AREA BEHIND THE PARKING ROW FOR ADDITIONAL, UH, VEHICLE STACKING AREA. OKAY. UM, I WANNA GO BACK TO SOMETHING YOU SAID EARLIER THERE. SO 17 CARS IN THE QUEUE. UM, AND YOU, YOU MENTIONED A RANGE OF 13 TO 18, BUT I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE SPEAKING TO IN THAT THE RANGE OF EIGHT, EIGHT TO 13, UM, VEHICLES IS ANTICIPATED DURING PEAK TIME HOURS AND WAS PART OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS AT, AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT DURING PEAK TIME, ANTICIPATING EIGHT TO 13 CARS IN THERE, THE QUEUE CAN HOLD UP TO 17. OKAY, GOT IT. AND IF IT EXCEEDED BEYOND I GUESS THE CHESTNUT DRIVEWAY THERE, THE OPERATOR WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR CLOSING THAT DRIVEWAY AND JUST FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPLANATION, KIND OF CLOGGING UP THAT PARKING LOT THERE IN THE MIDDLE. REROUTING EVERYBODY THERE. OKAY. GOT IT. UM, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UM, I THINK THERE'S A, A TRIPLEX JUST ADJACENT NORTH TO THE, THE SITE. UM, I BELIEVE THAT'S THE LETTER THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER THERE. THAT WALL, YOU CAN GO BACK TO THAT PHOTO. THREE SLIDES BEFORE THIS OR I DON'T KNOW WHICH DIRECTION YOU WERE GOING FORWARD. FORWARD THREE SLIDES FORWARD, THREE SLIDES THERE. IT'S COOL . SO THAT NORTH WALL IS SIX FEET ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL MAYBE WHERE THOSE U PINES END OR SOMEWHERE BEHIND THEM THAT YOU CAN'T SEE IN THIS RENDERING. AND THEN THAT WALL BEGINS DROPPING TO WHAT I READ FROM THE RESIDENTS WAS, YOU KNOW, THREE AND A HALF FEET. I I HAVEN'T VERIFIED THAT. I'M SURE STAFF WOULD, WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT AS WELL. UM, DOES THAT SEEM ABOUT RIGHT? LIKE IT'S KIND OF GRADED AND I GUESS THE UNDERSTANDING THERE WOULD BE THAT THAT IS TO MAINTAIN VISIBILITY. 'CAUSE THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S A DRIVEWAY COMING OUT THERE. IS THAT RIGHT SONYA? THAT IS CORRECT. [00:30:01] WE, WE DID RAISE THAT ISSUE WITH THE APPLICANT. UH, WE BELIEVE, UM, IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE SIX FOOT REQUIREMENT BETWEEN THE MAJORITY OF THE SITE. THE WALL ACTUALLY GETS HIGHER AS YOU MOVE NORTH WEST, UM, ON THE PROPERTY. UM, BUT AT THAT TAIL FRONT END ON CHESTNUT, IT DOES TAPER DOWN. UM, JASON, MAY I JUST MENTION IN THE STAFF REPORT IT SAYS IT'S, IT RANGES FROM SIX FEET, THREE INCHES TO EIGHT FEET, THREE INCHES. SO DOES IT DROP BELOW THE SIX FEET AT ANY POINT FOR THE SIX FEET? WHEN I'M, THE AREA THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT FALLS BELOW IS WITHIN THE SETBACK. UM, THE SMALL PORTION, THAT LITTLE LANDSCAPE AREA. MM-HMM. , I DO SEE IT THAT YOU CAN SEE ON THE RENDERING, THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE SITE RANGES HAS THAT RANGE OF SIX FEET TO EIGHT, EIGHT FEET, THREE INCHES. SO THERE, THERE ARE, I MEAN THERE'S A PORTION OUTSIDE OF THE SIX TO EIGHT FOOT RANGE STILL CORRECT. BUT WHICH NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED TO ENABLE THAT NEIGHBOR TO HAVE THE PROPER LINE OF SIGHT FOR THE DRIVE DRIVEWAY. OKAY. AND IS, IS THAT REQUIRED BY THE CITY IN ANY WAY THAT THAT LINE OF SIGHT BE PRESERVED THERE? UM, I THINK WE GENERALLY LOOK FOR A CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT FOR DRIVEWAYS. I THINK WE LOOK FOR IT FOR THE PROJECT SITE. BUT WHEN ADDING OR UH, REMOVING DRIVEWAYS, I, WE CAN ALSO DEFER TO OUR CITY'S TRAFFIC MANAGER. BUT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT MAINTAINING CLEAR LINE OF SIGHT FOR SAFETY. OKAY. UM, THE THREE KIND OF PARALLEL PARKING SPOTS ON CHESTNUT THERE, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THOSE SPOTS KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT TOO, RIGHT? ARE THOSE SPOTS ALREADY THERE? OH, OKAY. YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE THREE SPOTS ON CHESTNUT? CORRECT. THE, THAT'S PART OF THE PRIVATE STREET. THE CODE REQUIRES OFF STREET PARKING. SO WE'VE ONLY IDENTIFIED THE 10 PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY. WE CANNOT GIVE CREDIT FOR THOSE THREE SPACES ON CHESTNUT. THOSE, THOSE THREE SPOTS ON CHESTNUT, UH, I MEAN IT'S A STREET SO I'M SURE YOU COULD PARK THERE TODAY. BUT ARE THEY MARKED LIKE THAT CURRENTLY? LIKE WAS, WAS THAT HOW THE, THOSE, WAS THAT BEING USED FOR OFFITE PARKING THERE PREVIOUSLY OR IS THAT, I KNOW YOU SAID IT'S PART OF THE PROJECT, SO I'M JUST GONNA ASSUME THAT THAT'S A, A NEW, DON'T BELIEVE IT'S MARKED THAT WAY RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S A CURB. SO I, I'M JUST THREE PAINTED LINES I SUPPOSE IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE THERE. SO I'VE BEEN THERE AND IT DOESN'T HAVE THOSE LINES. OKAY. AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED THIS, BUT WHEN, ON YOUR LAST SLIDE, WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, GAVE US THOSE THREE REVISIONS, IT, IT TALKED ABOUT TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES AND THE ONLY TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURE THAT I THINK I HEARD WAS THE SHUTTING THAT CHESTNUT, YOU KNOW, ENTRANCE AND IT, IT'S NOT GATED ON THE RENDERING. SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD BE VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT I'VE SEEN OTHER LOCATIONS DO, WHERE THAT WOULD JUST BE KIND OF CONNED OFF, CHAINED OFF, ROPED OFF. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? THAT IS. I, I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT WISHES TO USE CONES TO TEMPORARILY CLOSE THE DRIVEWAY IF NEEDED. AND, AND BESIDE THAT, THERE WERE NO OTHER TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES THAT THAT REVISION WAS SPEAKING TO. THAT IS CORRECT. THERE IS ANOTHER TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURE, 1.39, HOWEVER, THAT PERTAINS TO CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY DURING GRADING AND IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO INCORPORATING THE BUSINESS OPERATOR LANGUAGE. UM, THAT'S BEING REQUESTED ON 1.30. I'M NOT SURE IF IT WAS IN ONE OF THE OTHER RENDERING. SONYA, IS, IS THERE A, A BETTER PICTURE THAT WE COULD ALL GET THAT WOULD SHOW US WHERE THE MENU AND SPEAKER BOARDS ARE? I IF THEY'RE IN THIS PICTURE? I DON'T SEE IT IN YOUR, UM, PACKET. THERE IS A SEPARATE CONCEPTUAL SIGN PACKAGE. I DIDN'T INCLUDE THIS AS PART OF THE PRESENTATION. WE JUST CONCEPTUALLY WANTED TO KNOW, HAVE A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING OF THIS PROPOSED SIGNAGE FROM THE APPLICANT, BUT WE WOULD BE REVIEWING THAT AFTER ON A SEPARATE APPLICATION WITH THE APPLICANT. JUST THE LOCATION THOUGH, ALL OF THE, TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THE CITY'S [00:35:01] SIGN REQUIREMENTS SEPARATELY. SHOULD THIS PROJECT BECOME APPROVED? UM, I'M SEPARATE FROM THIS, THIS COMMISSION'S REVIEW. SO DO WE NOT HAVE THE LOCATION OF WHERE THOSE BOARDS WOULD BE CURRENTLY OR I SEE IT IN EXHIBIT FOUR OF THE STAFF REPORT. SO I THINK YOU ACTUALLY HAVE, UH, THERE, THERE IS THE LAYOUT BUT NOT A RENDERING PACKET PROVIDED IN YOUR PROJECT PLANS THAT DO SHOW THE SIGN LOCATIONS. AND THAT'S NOT IN THE PRESENTATION. I THINK YOU HAVE, I THINK YOU HAVE IT ON ONE OF THE SLIDES. UM, UM, MAYBE NOT. OH, HERE WE GO. THERE IT IS. SO IT LOOKS LIKE I'M IT'S ON THE NORTH END, THAT NORTHWEST CORNER? YEAH, THE NORTHWEST END WITH THOSE RECTANGULAR, UM, I YEAH, THOSE TWO NORTH IS WHAT I'M ASSUMING AND THE APPLICANT CAN CONFIRM IS WHERE THE SPEAKERS AND SIGN. SO WOULD IT GO, THE MAIN MENU BOARDS DO SHOW ON THE SITE PLAN AND THEN A MORE DETAILED SIGN PACKAGE IS INCLUDED? YEAH. WITH PART OF THE PROJECT. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS, I WAS TRYING TO SEE. I I I THOUGHT IT WAS THERE SOMEWHERE. OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU. UM, I'M GLAD YOU GUYS DIDN'T HAVE AS MANY QUESTIONS AS I DID. UM, AWESOME. THANK YOU SONYA. I HAVE GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. I I HAVE ONE LAST, UH, QUESTION. WHEN WAS LEGAL NOTICE SERVED? WHEN WAS, WHEN WAS LEGAL NOTICE POSTED? HOW DID PEOPLE, WHEN DID THEY FIND OUT? OKAY, WE, WE DID ENCOURAGE EARLY ON THAT THE APPLICANT REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS IN CHESTNUT ESTATES. THE APPLICANT PREPARED A LETTER DATED MARCH 13TH, 2024. THIS IS A SEPARATE, UH, LETTER NOT NECESSARILY REQUIRED UNDER OUR CITY CODE. UM, THAT THE APPLICANT EXTENDED INVITING THE, UM, NEIGHBORS TO COMMENT AND SHARE THEIR COMMENTS. THE CITY STAFF NOTICED THE PUBLIC HEARING IN THE NEWSPAPER AND DID A MAIL OUT 10 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THE HEARING DATE. AND THAT'S JUST A ROUTINE, UH, REQUIREMENT FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS PERTAINING TO THE DESIGN REVIEW AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THOSE. THE THREE, I'M GONNA REVISIT THE THREE SPOTS THERE ON CHESTNUT. UM, IF YOU COULD GO BACK TO THE OVERHEAD RENDERING PLEASE. WHAT'S DEPICTED IN THE RENDERING? YOU, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF A DISCOLORATION IN THE ASPHALT, UH, FROM WHITTIER UNTIL, LET'S SAY WHERE THOSE RESIDENCES KIND OF BEGIN. UM, I KNOW THAT CHESTNUT IS A PRIVATE ROAD, CORRECT? CHESTNUT IS PRIVATE STREET AND IT'S MAINTAINED IN SOME CAPACITY BY THE RESIDENCE, I BELIEVE. CORRECT. SO THE RESIDENTS ALSO OWN, THEY OWN A PORTION OF CHESTNUT STREET. OKAY. ALONG THEIR FRONTAGES AND FOR THE PORTION FROM WHITTIER UNTIL WHERE THOSE RESIDENCES BEGIN AS KIND OF DEPICTED IN THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW EASY IT'S TO SEE UP ON THAT SCREEN, BUT FOR ME IT'S PRETTY EASY TO SEE IN FRONT OF ME. KINDA LIGHT GRAY AND THEN IT, THERE'S A LITTLE SLIVER OF THAT DARK, YOU KNOW, BLACK ASPHALT. IS THE APPLICANT RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THIS SOUTHERN PORTION UP UNTIL THAT, YOU KNOW, GRADE CHANGE? OR IS THAT JUST DEPICTED THAT WAY FOR US TO SEE IT DIFFERENTLY? NO, I, I THINK THE, YOU'RE JUST LOOKING AT A SHADOW LINE THAT THEY'RE CASTING FOR THE, THE TREES THAT THE GRAY AREA AT THE TOP FOR THE CUTOFF THERE, YOU KNOW, ON OUR SCREEN IT'S REALLY A LOT EASIER TO SEE RIGHT WHERE THAT DRIVEWAY IS. THE THE STREET IS VERY DARK THERE, BUT, AND MAYBE I CAN ASK THE QUESTION A DIFFERENT WAY AND GET THE ANSWER THAT I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE, UM, DO THE RESIDENTS MAINTAIN THAT STREET ALL THE WAY TO WHITTIER BOULEVARD OR JUST IN THEIR FRONTAGES? SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S ALL PRIVATELY OWNED AND THAT SHARED AMONGST ALL OF THE OWNERS. BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO DEFER, I'M HOPING THE CITY'S TRAFFIC MANAGER COULD CHIME IN AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT. MAYBE WE CAN GO TO TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW SINCE THAT'S STILL UNDER KIND OF THE STAFF PART OF THE MEETING. THANKS MICHAEL. DOES THAT QUESTION MAKE SENSE? YES, THANK YOU. SO, NO, SO YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE MAINTENANCE OF THE ROAD FROM THE EASEMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED AND WE ASKED FOR IT A NUMBER OF TIMES AND THERE WASN'T TOO MANY AND IT WAS FAIRLY OLD. THE PROPERTY, THE STARBUCKS PROPERTY, THEY OWN [00:40:01] HALF OF THE ROADWAY UP UNTIL YOU SEE WHERE IT GOES DARK, WHERE THE HOUSES ARE THEN THAT'S THE RESIDENCE. WHAT HA WHEN YOU SAY HALF IS IT, SO THEY WOULD BE THE WEST HALF OF CHESTNUT AND THERE'S A EASEMENT FOR INGRESS AND INGRESS THAT ALLOWS THE CARS TO DRIVE IN AND OUT OF THERE AND THAT AND THEY'RE THERE TO MAINTAIN IT. I DIDN'T SEE ANY KIND OF SHARED AGREEMENT SAYING THAT ANYBODY ELSE IS TO MAINTAIN IT. AND, AND THAT'S JUST KIND OF COMMON PRACTICE, MICHAEL. WHEN YOU HAVE A PRIVATE ROAD LIKE THIS, I MEAN THERE STILL HAS TO BE PUBLIC ACCESS, PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. AND, AND SO THERE'S GONNA BE EGRESS REGARDLESS. AND, AND THIS IS, THIS PROJECT IS NO DIFFERENT. UM, AND WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED IS THE APPLICANT, THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER OWNS THE WESTERN HALF OF CHESTNUT AND THEN WHO, WHO OWNS, IF YOU KNOW THE OTHER HALF IS THAT THEN THE RESIDENCE THAT OWN THE EAST HALF OF THAT PORTION? IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT. IT WASN'T DESCRIBED ON THE EASEMENT. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT TYPICAL PRACTICE, THIS IS JUST HOW THIS ONE WAS RECORDED AND IT'S FAIRLY OLD NEW ONE WOULD SPECIFICALLY STATE WHAT, WHO OWNS WHAT THE NAME OF THE OWNERS, UM, THE DIMENSIONS. BUT THAT ALL WE COULD SEE IS THAT THE WAY THEY SHOWED IT IS THEIR PROPERTY LINE GOES ALL THE WAY FROM THE WALL ON THE WEST SIDE TO THE CENTER LINE OF CHESTNUT AND THAT'S ALL THEIRS. AND THEN THERE'S AN EASEMENT THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO DRIVE ON THERE, BUT THEY'RE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THEIR HALF OF THE ROADWAY. GOT IT. DOES ANY O OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. PLOTNICK? NO, I'M OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I'VE SEEN THIS, IT'S A, IT'S KIND OF NARROW, CHESTNUT'S KIND OF NARROW AND YOU COULD TELL WHEN YOU DRIVE THAT WAY THE DIFFERENCE IN THE STREET, THE COLOR. SO ONE SIDE'S DARKER THAN THE OTHER. SO I COULD SEE WHY IT LOOKS LIKE THIS HERE. UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO PART OF CHESTNUT, THE ONES THAT ARE AWAY FROM IN FRONT OF STARBUCKS, THEY ON, THEY WILL 'CAUSE IT'S A NARROW STREET AND IT'S IN A CUL-DE-SAC LEADS TO A CUL-DE-SAC. SO THEY WOULD BE IN CHARGE IF THERE WERE SOME DAMAGE TO THE STREET BECAUSE MORE TRAFFIC'S COMING IN, THEY WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF COVERING PART OF THAT STREET. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES, IT'S THEIR PROPERTY. JUST LIKE IF SOMEBODY DAMAGED CITY STREET, SO ANY PUBLIC STREET WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE TO REPAIR IT. YOU SAID WE, THE CITY, THE CITY WOULD GET, SO IF SOMEBODY DAMAGED LA HABER BOULEVARD, THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO COME OUT AND REPAIR IT. BUT STARBUCKS WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF FIXING STREET. STARBUCKS WOULD BE IN CHARGE OF THEIR HALF. SO THE WESTERN HALF OF CHESTNUT UP UNTIL THE END OF THEIR PROPERTY LINE. SO TO UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY, IF THERE WAS LIKE, LET'S SAY A POTHOLE THERE WAS HUGE AND IT WAS ON STARBUCKS SIDE, THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. BUT IF IT'S ON MORE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUSINESS, 'CAUSE THERE'S ANOTHER BUSINESS ON THAT SIDE, THEY WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. 'CAUSE I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA 'CAUSE THEY NEED TO GO THROUGH THAT ROAD TO GET TO THEIR HOUSES. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF STARBUCKS WERE TO SAY, NAH, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. HOW WOULD THE RESIDENTS COME ABOUT FINDING OUT, ASKING STARBUCKS TO FIX IT? OR WHAT DOES THE CITY DO IN THOSE CASES TO ADDRESS SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 'CAUSE IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNED BY STARBUCKS, BUT THERE'S EASEMENTS AND IT GETS COMPLICATED. SO IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, JUST THOSE POTHOLES EXIST AND STARBUCKS IS RESPONSIBLE, YOU KNOW, FOR REPLACING, FIXING, REPAIRING, AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DERELICT IN DOING SO, WHERE DOES THE CITY STEP IN AND ALL THAT? THIS HAS HAPPENED. WE'VE HAD OTHER PRIVATE ROADS WHERE THERE'S POTHOLES AND THEY'RE NOT BEING REPAIRED. THE CITY HAS ACTUALLY COME OUT AND REPAIR THEM. IF WE CAN GET FUNDS BACK, WE WILL. THIS IS A BUSINESS, NOT A RESIDENCE. SO I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO GO AFTER IN THIS CASE. BUT YEAH, WE WOULD REACH OUT A COUPLE TIMES AND GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIX IT. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE POPPING THEIR TIRES, LOSING THEIR SUSPENSION. SO IF IT BECOMES A DANGEROUS SITUATION, WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND FIX IT TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. AND THEN WE WOULD GO AFTER STARBUCKS OR WHOEVER OWNS IT TO REIMBURSE THE CITY. OKAY. GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. THAT JUST BROUGHT UP MORE QUESTIONS. SO THE, THE PROPERTY OWNER ON THE EAST SIDE OF CHESTNUT, I'M, I'M GUESSING THAT'S AN OFFICE BUILDING, SO I, OKAY. OKAY. HOW MANY TENANTS ARE IN THAT OFFICE BUILDING? I, I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION. DO WE? I MEAN, I'M GUESSING BALLPARK, SONYA, PROBABLY SONYA, I'M GUESSING THERE'S AT LEAST FOUR TENANTS [00:45:01] THERE. WHAT KIND OF BUSINESSES? LIKE A MEDICAL OFFICE, BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A LAW FIRM, YOU CAN HAVE A DOCTOR'S OFFICE. I MEAN, I BELIEVE THEY'RE MEDICAL OFFICES, LIKE A DENTAL OFFICE IN THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF THE STAFF REPORT. SO LET ME JUST WRAP THAT. OKAY. SORRY, I MUST HAVE MISSED THAT. I CLEARLY MISSED THAT. YOU'VE RECEIVED QUITE A LOT OF STAFF REPORTS THIS WEEKEND, SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. UM, IT WAS FUN, SUSAN. I BET IT WAS FUN. UM, SOUTHEAST WE JUST HAVE IT LISTED AS A SINGLE STORY MULTI-TENANT OFFICE BUILDING. SO WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFIC NUMBER OF TENANTS OR THE TYPES. UM, SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC THEY GENERATE RIGHT NOW EITHER OR IF THEY HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING, DO WE, I MEAN WE DO NOT KNOW IF THEY HAVE OVERFLOW PARKING, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE A NEXUS TO CONDITION THIS PROJECT BECAUSE OF THEIR OVERFLOW PARKING. I KNOW, IT'S JUST THAT THE WHOLE DISCUSSION SURROUNDING THE POTHOLES IN THE STREET AND INCREASED TRAFFIC JUST BROUGHT THAT QUESTION TO MIND. BUT THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE OF STAFF? YOU GUYS? PERFECT. THANK YOU GUYS. I THINK AT THIS TIME, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF, SO I APPRECIATE IT. SONYA AND MICHAEL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. IS THERE ANYONE, WE'LL FIRST HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT'S HERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. SO IF ANYONE'S HERE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, PLEASE COME FORWARD. IS THE APPLICANT HAPPENED TO BE HERE, I KNOW A LOT OF QUESTIONS CAME UP. UM, ANY OF THAT STUFF THAT YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS? HI, GOOD EVENING. COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE, SIR? YES. UH, RODNEY ANI REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER. COULD YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME PLEASE? UH, RIV AS IN VICTOR, A NI. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING TO SHARE OR YOU WANT US TO JUST ASK YOU QUESTIONS OR? OH, YES. SO, UM, I'M REPRESENTING THE PROPERTY OWNER AS I MENTIONED. UM, I WOULD RESERVE MY TIME, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS OF THE COMMISSIONERS. UH, ALSO WITH US TONIGHT IS, UH, SHANNON DALTON, WHO IS THE DISTRICT MANAGER, UH, FOR STARBUCKS, UH, IN, IN THIS LOCATION AREA AS WELL. SO SHE CAN, UH, CHIME IN AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING, UM, STARBUCKS OPERATIONS QUESTIONS. OKAY, I'LL GO TO THE COMMISSION THEN. COMMISSIONER MACHA? NOT YET. WAIT, GO AHEAD. WE CAN, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU. NO, ACTUALLY, YEAH, I, I'LL COME BACK TO IT. COMMISSIONER ROJAS. WELL I WAS ACTUALLY GONNA, UM, FOLLOW UP ON A QUESTION THAT SHE ASKED. I I KNOW THE STAFF MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A LETTER THAT YOU GUYS SENT OUT ON MARCH 13TH. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, DID YOU GUYS RECEIVE ANY FEEDBACK OR COMMENTS, UM, AFTER YOU SENT THAT LETTER OUT? SO I DIDN'T REALLY RECEIVE, UM, COMMENTS OR FEEDBACK IN WRITING. UM, I DID HEAR FROM TONY MARTINEZ, WHO IS ONE OF THE RESIDENTS ON CHESTNUT STREET. UM, AND HE HAD REQUESTED A MEETING TO MEET WITH SOME OF THE RESIDENTS AND MYSELF. SO, UH, ABOUT A WEEK AGO WE DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH, UH, THE CHESTNUT RESIDENTS, UM, AT DAN'S HOUSE. HOW MANY RESIDENTS WERE PRESENT? UH, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THEM WERE HERE. UM, OKAY. IN TERMS OF HOMES OR ACTUAL PEOPLE WE'RE TALKING LIKE TWO, TWO RESIDENTS, TWO PEOPLE SHOWED UP OR LIKE 10 SHOWED UP? I MEAN, UM, I THINK THERE WAS ABOUT SEVEN. OKAY. OH, I'M SORRY. PROPERTY OWNERS. YEAH. JUST TO CLARIFY, PROPERTY OWNERS, SO IT WAS SEVEN PROPERTY OWNERS, NOT NECESSARILY, DO THEY LIVE THERE? I GUESS I, MY MY CONCERN IS WHO'S ACTUALLY LIVING THERE? LIKE DID THEY SHOW UP OR WAS IT MORE THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR MAYBE A MIX OF BOTH. SO OUR LETTERS WERE SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS. OKAY. I I DIDN'T ASK EACH, YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL PERSON IF THEY OWN ONLY THE RESIDENCE OR IF THEY ALSO LIVED THERE. WE DIDN'T GET INTO THOSE SPECIFICS. UM, WE JUST STARTED DISCUSSING THE, THE PROPERTY AND UH, AND THE PROJECT. OKAY. SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU SENT THE LETTERS TO JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS, BUT THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS WHO MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOT, UM, UH, INFORMED. YEAH. UH, I, I DON'T KNOW IF ALL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, ARE RESIDING AT THE RESIDENCES, CORRECT. RIGHT. UH, [00:50:01] I I I DON'T HAVE ANY LIKE THAT SPEC SPECIFICITY. SO LIKE, LET ME REPHRASE MY QUESTION. SO WERE THE LETTERS SENT TO JUST THE PROPERTY OWNERS, MEANING THEIR ADDRESSES OR WERE THEY ACTUALLY SENT TO THE PHYSICAL ADDRESSES ON CHESTNUT? UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER ADDRESSES ON THE, SO WHETHER THEY WERE ON CHESTNUT OR NOT? UH, CORRECT. OKAY. YES, I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. SO, UM, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES DO YOU GUYS PLAN TO HAVE, UM, WORKING THERE AT THE LOCATION? HI, GO AHEAD AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD PLEASE. FIRST AND LAST NAME AND IF YOU COULD SPELL YOUR LAST NAME PLEASE. SURE. SHANNON DALTON. D-A-L-T-O-N. THANK YOU. SO I BELIEVE THE QUESTION WAS JUST IN REGARDS TO NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THAT FOR US PLEASE. ABSOLUTELY. SO ON AVERAGE WE TYPICALLY RANGE FROM THREE EMPLOYEES TO SIX EMPLOYEES AT OUR BUSIEST TIME. AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT DELIVERY TIMES. WE KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSED, UM, HOURS OF OPERATION ARE. UM, AND I KNOW A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT STARBUCKS. I USED TO BE A STARBUCKS MANAGER A FEW LIFETIMES AGO. AND THOSE HOURS CAN BE CHANGED, CORRECT? YES, THEY CAN. THEY'RE DEPENDENT ON IF WE DO HAVE A NEIGHBOR OR CITY ORDINANCE, WE CAN ADJUST OUR TIMES. WOULD THAT CHANGE THE EMPLOYEE NUMBER AT ALL? UH, NO. WE TYPICALLY WILL SCHEDULE THE NEXT DAY TO PUT ORDERS AWAY DURING NORMAL OPERATING HOURS. AND DOES THE PROPOSED PARKING MAKE ALLOWANCES FOR, OR WOULD YOU BELIEVE THAT IT MAKES ALLOWANCES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO WORK THERE AS WELL AS CUSTOMERS? THE PROPOSED PARKING SPACES, THE 10 SPOTS? UM, TYPICALLY A LOT OF OUR PARTNERS, WE HAVE A LYFT PROGRAM, SO THEY, A LOT OF OUR, UM, EMPLOYEES, SORRY WE CALL 'EM PARTNERS, UM, CAN UTILIZE LYFT TO GET TO WORK. UM, SO TYPICALLY IF WE HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE IN THE LOCAL AREA, THEY'LL, THEY'LL LIFT OR UBER IN. UM, SO NORMALLY, UH, PARKING IS TYPICALLY FOR SHIFT SUPERVISORS OR MANAGERS, WHICH WE NORMALLY HAVE ONE TO TWO ON DUTY AT ALL TIMES ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION. I HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT UM, THERE'S ANOTHER STARBUCKS LOCATION DOWN THE STREET ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD THAT ALSO BACKS INTO A RESIDENT. AND I NOTICED THAT THEIR HOURS ACTUALLY THEY CLOSED A LITTLE EARLIER. MM-HMM, . SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, IS THERE A PARTICULAR WAY THAT HOURS OF OPERATION ARE DECIDED? YEAH, EVERY SIX MONTHS WE ASSESS, UM, TRANSACTIONS FOR THE LAST HALF HOUR OF BUSINESS AND WE EITHER GO EARLIER OR LATER BASED OFF OF THOSE TRANSACTIONS. OKAY. GO AHEAD, SORRY. SO WHAT IS YOUR POLICY IN TERMS OF A WORKER BRINGING THEIR CAR AND DECIDING TO PARK ON THE PARKING LOT? IS THERE SUCH A POLICY? WE DO NOT HAVE A POLICY. SO ANY OF YOUR EMPLOYEES COULD PARK THERE? YES. AND YOU, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE'S LIMITED PARKING AS THERE IS ALREADY. MM-HMM. . SO HOW DO YOU THINK, I, I'M ASSUMING IF THERE'S NO PARKING, YOUR WORKERS WILL PARK NEARBY? MM-HMM. . HOW CAN WE REDUCE THAT? 'CAUSE THERE'S RESIDENTS AND THERE'S LIMITED PARKING THERE. YEAH, I'M NOT TOO SURE IF THERE'S ANOTHER OPEN PARKING LOCATION IN THIS SPECIFIC SPACE. UM, BUT OFTENTIMES IF THERE'S LIKE OPEN GENERAL PARKING, WE'LL ADVISE EMPLOYEES TO PARK IN THOSE LOCATIONS. I'M JUST NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT MIGHT BE OPEN AROUND THIS AREA. OKAY. AND YOU TALKED ABOUT LYFT, THAT THEY COULD, YOUR EMPLOYEES, CAN, ANY OF THE WORKERS COULD HAVE THAT PRIVILEGE? UH, SO TYPICALLY IT'S OUR, UM, WE HAVE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION PROVIDED TO OUR OPENERS AND CLOSERS. SO GENERALLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE SAFE TRANSPORTATION. AND WITH THIS LOCATION WE HAVE OPENING AND MID AND PM SHIFTS. SO IT WOULD BE AVAILABLE TO THE OPENERS AND TO THE PM SHIFTS. AND YOU REFER TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION? WE RECOMMEND PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AS WELL FOR OUR CITY LOCATIONS. OKAY. WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE SUSTAINABLE SOLUTIONS TO LIMIT, SO WE PROMOTE SUSTAINABLE TRANSPORTATION AS WELL. GOT IT. THANK YOU. ARE, ARE YOU MOVING STAFF IN FROM OTHER LOCATIONS? ARE YOU GONNA BE HIRING LOCALLY? UH, WELL TYPICALLY WE TRY TO DO AN 80%, 20%. SO WE'LL DO 80% TRANSFER, 20% NEW. AND I HAVE TWO LOCATIONS THAT ARE WITHIN A MILE RADIUS OF THIS LOCATION. UM, SO THE REASON WHY WE'RE LOOKING FOR ADDITIONAL LOCATIONS IS BECAUSE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE PRETTY BUSY. UM, SO WE'RE HOPING TO SUPPLEMENT SOME OF THAT TRAFFIC AND BRING CUSTOMERS THERE. I DON'T THINK I HEARD THE ANSWER ON DELIVERY TIMES YET. UM, DO [00:55:01] YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF EXPLANATION FOR WHAT, FOR WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? SO I KNOW HOURS OF OPERATION, FIVE TO 10:00 PM UH, WHEN WOULD DELIVERIES TAKE PLACE? SO WHEN THERE'S CITY AND NEIGHBORS, WE TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THE TIMES AND THE, AND WE WILL MAKE SPECIFIC REQUESTS BASED OFF OF UM, THE THE SPECIFIC LOCATION. BUT WE HAVE ROUTE DRIVERS WHO COME IN AND, AND THIS LOCATION HERE, THEY GET THEIR DELIVERIES AT AROUND 8:00 PM UM, BUT IT'S NOT A SET STANDARD. WE CAN REQUEST DIFFERENT TIMEFRAMES. SO FOR A SIMILAR STORY YOU SET AROUND 8:00 PM WOULD BE NORMAL. MM-HMM. . BUT THERE'S FLEXIBILITY THERE. YES. OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR THE REPRESENTATIVES? NO. NO. CNN. THANK YOU GUYS. APPRECIATE IT MR. ANA AND MS. DALTON. UM, WE'LL CONTINUE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT? OKAY, SCENE NONE. WE WILL MOVE TO ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, JUST A REMINDER, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION. AND IF YOU COULD TELL US YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD. MR. CHAIR, THERE'S 10 SPEAKERS. I'M GONNA CALL THEM ONE BY ONE IF THAT'S OKAY? YES PLEASE. OKAY, DAN WOOD. GOOD EVENING MR. WOOD. GOOD EVENING. UM, I'M DAN WOOD. I LIVE AT NINE 40 CHESTNUT STREET AND UH, I KIND OF SPOKE UP A FEW TIMES BECAUSE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS YOU WERE ASKING WE KNEW THE ANSWERS TO, BUT I THINK I WAS SUPPOSED TO KEEP QUIET. THANK YOU FOR BEHAVING . UM, COULD I GET THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE PLOT PLAN WHERE THE CARS ARE? SURE, PLEASE. THAT'S IT. ALRIGHT. UM, IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER THAT WE RECEIVED IN THE MAIL SOMETHING ON MARCH 13TH. UM, THE ONE I GOT IN THE MAIL WAS DATED APRIL 1ST AND I GOT IT A COUPLE DAYS AFTER THAT. SO WE HAVEN'T HAD MUCH TIME TO PREPARE FOR THIS. UM, WE DID ASK RODNEY TO COME OUT. HE CAME OUT AND WE TALKED. UM, WE DID KINDA GIVE HIM A BAD TIME. UH, BUT WHAT WE SAW HERE TONIGHT LOOKED REALLY PRETTY NICE BUILDINGS, NICE THIS, NICE THAT OUR CONCERN IS TRAFFIC. UM, AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S BEEN TO A STARBUCKS AND KNOWS THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY OF CHESTNUT STREET. IT'S A PRIVATE STREET, WHICH MEANS WE PAY FOR EVERYTHING ON THAT STREET. WE PAVE IT, WE HAVE TO CLEAN IT OURSELVES. ALTHOUGH WE ARE CHARGED A FEE THROUGH OUR PROPERTY TAXES, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO CLEAN IT. UM, IT'S A DEAD END STREET. THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY INTO OUR HOUSES AND ONE WAY OUT. IT'S NOT A CUL-DE-SAC, IT'S JUST A DEAD END AND WE GET VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC UP THERE. SO WE'RE KIND OF USED TO THAT. UM, NOW THIS PICTURE UP HERE SHOWS TRAFFIC COMING IN OFF OF WHITTIER, GOING ALONGSIDE THE BUILDING AND THEN CURVING AROUND TO I GUESS WHERE THE UH, ORDER IS GIVEN. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY PAY THERE OR JUST TAKE THE ORDER AND THEN THEY GO AROUND TO THAT CORNER. THE OTHER ENTRANCE IS OFF OF CHESTNUT. IT GOES INTO THE OTHER TWO LANE PART AND GOES AROUND. NOW THAT LOOKS FINE THERE, BUT AT THAT TOP LEFT HAND CORNER, THOSE TWO LANES GO DOWN TO ONE LANE. NOW YOU'VE ALL DRIVEN DOWN A STREET WITH TWO LANES MOVING AND THEN ONE HAS CONSTRUCTION. EVERYBODY HAS TO SLIDE OVER TRAFFIC STOPS. AND OUR CONCERN IS THAT'S GONNA BE A CHOKE POINT. IT'S GONNA SLOW DOWN TRAFFIC, IT'S GONNA BACK OUT AND THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FIVE, FIVE CARS OR SIX CARS WHICH WOULD THEN START PUSHING CARS OUT ONTO CHESTNUT STREET. THE OTHER ONE, SAME TYPE OF THING. ONLY IT'S GOT A LOT FARTHER TO PUSH BEFORE IT GETS BACK ONTO WHITTIER. BUT THE TRAFFIC IS GONNA COME UP WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND EITHER TURN ON CHESTNUT OR TURN RIGHT INTO THAT SITE. EITHER WAY THEY'RE GONNA SLOW DOWN. THERE'S NO RIGHT TURN LANES. IT'S GONNA SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN ON CHESTNUT STREET OR ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD. RIGHT NOW I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE SOME OF YOU WENT OUT THERE AND LOOKED AT OUR STREET. IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO TURN LEFT FROM OUR STREET TO GO [01:00:01] TOWARDS HARBOR BOULEVARD. NOW RODNEY SUGGESTED WE JUST GO DOWN TO CYPRESS, MAKE A U-TURN AND THEN GO THAT WAY. AND WE DON'T THINK THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY SO THAT STARBUCKS CAN HAVE A SITE. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THAT. AND IF THIS BACKS UP ONTO WHITTIER AND STARTS GOING TOWARDS HARBOR, WE WON'T BE ABLE TO TURN RIGHT 'CAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE TRAFFIC RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF US. NOW I REALIZE STARBUCKS LOOKS AT IT LIKE, WELL WE'VE DONE THESE STUDIES AND NOBODY HAS DONE A STUDY ON THAT SITE ON CHESTNUT STREET. IT'S AN UNKNOWN. AND IF THAT GETS BUILT AND WE HAVE THESE PROBLEMS, THEY DON'T GET FIXED. YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THAT YOU'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH STARBUCKS IN THIS CITY WITH LINES THAT ARE BACKING UP AND IF THEY'RE BACKING UP INTO A COMMERCIAL AREA, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL, BUT THEY'RE GONNA BACK UP AND SHUT DOWN OUR STREET. AND THAT'S A BIG TO US, IT'S A BIG PO UH, PROBLEM. NOW I WANT GIVE YOU A LITTLE STORY AND THIS IS REALLY DRAMATIC, BUT BEAR WITH ME MR. WOOD. UH, PLEASE DO. I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW YOU HAVE ABOUT 45 SECONDS LEFT. ARE YOU SERIOUS? IT'S A FIVE MINUTES SO MUCH FOR BEING DRAMATIC. UM, SHOULD HAVE TOLD ME AT TWO MINUTES, OKAY, IF WE GET CUT OFF DOWN THERE AND CARDS CANNOT GET UP AND DOWN THAT STREET BECAUSE OF THE CONGESTION, PARAMEDICS CANNOT GET UP OUR STREET. IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM, HALF THE HOUSES ON THAT STREET ARE RETIRED PEOPLE. ME, I FALL DOWN, HAVE A HEART ATTACK, I CALL THE PARAMEDICS, THEY'RE JAMMED UP THERE AND I DIE. THAT'S DRAMATIC ALSO. IT'S REALLY BAD FOR ME. I JUST DIED AGAIN. MR. WOOD, THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. NEXT SPEAKER. VERONICA, JESUS VIRO. GOOD EVENING. MR. VIRO. V-I-D-R-O. YES, THAT'S CORRECT. GOOD EVENING. SHARE COMMISSIONERS AND EVERYBODY UP THERE AT SCHOOL. DAN WAS SAYING I AM A 9 0 1 CHESTNUT RESIDENCE. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 15 YEARS. IT IS A PRIVATE STREET. NUMBER ONE. WE DO PAVE OUR OWN ROAD. WE ACTUALLY PUT OUR OWN SIGNS UP TOO SAYING DEAD IN THE STREET. ALL THOSE WERE PAID BY US. YOU HAD A QUESTION EARLIER ABOUT THE STREET ELK'S LODGE AND THE MEDICAL BUILDING. WHEN WE REPAVED OUR ROAD, WHEN WE DID OUR ROAD AND MAINTAIN IT, THEY ALWAYS GOT TOGETHER WITH US AND SAID, SINCE YOU'RE DOING YOUR ROAD, WE'LL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO JOIN IT TO MAKE THE COSTCO DOWN AT THE SAME TIME TO MAKE THE STREET LOOK NICE. SO AS FAR AS THAT, THAT'S ONE THE MAIN CONCERN THAT WE DO HAVE RIGHT NOW IS DAN WAS SAYING WHERE'S OUR CONGESTION WITH THE STREET RIGHT NOW IT TAKES AN AVERAGE OF THREE LIGHTS, TURN SIGNALS BEFORE I CAN MAKE A RIGHT HAND TURN. WHEN I GO TO A CAR SHOW AND LOAD UP MY CAR FOR A TRAILER OR ANYTHING TO TRY AND MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN, I HAVE TO DO IT BETWEEN THE HOURS OF FIVE AND SEVEN O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. AFTER THAT, THERE'S NO WAY. NOW RONNIE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO MEET WITH US AT DAN'S RESIDENCE AND I'M THE ONE THAT GAVE HIM HECK AND THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS VERY APPRECIATIVE OF HIM BEING HONEST THAT HE OBSERVED THE SAME THING THAT I OBSERVED AT ALL THREE STARBUCKS CONGESTIONS NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES. HE EVEN SAID VERY CLEARLY IN OUR HOUSE, DAN'S HOUSE, FIRST THING HE SAID WAS, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COMMISSIONER CANNOT COME OUT HERE AND SEE THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY'RE HAVING. THAT'S NOT MY WORDS, THAT WAS HIS WORDS. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. I HAVE WITNESSES RIGHT HERE SIR. SO I'M NOT GONNA GET INTO IT. I HAVE WITNESSES RIGHT HERE. GO AHEAD, JUST SPEAK TO US. ALRIGHT, SO BASICALLY WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING WAS, AS I MENTIONED TO HIM AND I MENTIONED TO SONYA LOU WHEN SHE MET US A FEW MONTHS BACK, THAT TO GO SIT WITH ME AT THE STARBUCKS RIGHT HERE BY IN AND OUT. THEY DO PUT A CHAIN UP THERE. IT DOES GET MOVED BY PEOPLE, IT GETS HIT BY CARS. NO ONE GOES OUT THERE AND FIXES IT AS RONNIE CLEAR SAYS THERE'S AN OVERLOAD AND THAT'S JUST A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. THE BUILDING TO THAT BLOCK, THAT'S AN EIGHT FOOT SOLID WALL BLOCK. SO IT'S A NOISE BARRIER, IT'S 30 FEET, THERE'S NO 30 FEET BETWEEN THE STARBUCKS THAT YOU'RE BUILDING HERE AND THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS TOM'S TRIPLEX. AS FAR AS WHAT YOU DID MENTION VERY CLEARLY ON THE PICTURE SHOWS FROM A SIX FOOT DOWN TO A THREE AND A HALF FOOT. UNFORTUNATELY THEY MISGUIDED YOU BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO THE MEDICAL BUILDING SIDE, THE WALL IS SIX FEET ALL THE WAY DOWN. THE VISUAL ONLY STARTS WHEN YOU GET TO THE SIDEWALK THAT THE MEDICAL BUILDING BUILT. SO ONCE YOU BUILD THE SIDEWALK OVER HERE, YOU WILL, THAT WOULD BE YOUR ONLY LINE OF FIRE. IT WOULD BE THREE FEET. SO YOU CAN BUILD THAT WALL ALL THE WAY UP IF YOU WANTED TO AND IT SHOULD BE. NOW WHEN YOU GUYS MENTIONED DECIBEL POINTS, UM, ONE OF THE GUYS BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN I WAS YOUNGER, I HAD ONE OF THOSE CARS THAT [01:05:01] GO BOOM, OKAY, MY DECIBEL READS WAS 171 DECIBELS INSIDE MY VEHICLE. RIGHT NOW THE AVERAGE SPEAKER ON ANY GIVEN DAY YOU CAN GET YOUR CELL PHONE PUT UNDER DBS IS 90 DBS AT ONE FOOT, ONE FOOT AWAY FROM THAT SPEAKER. FROM THEM COMMUNICATE TO ME IT'S AT 90 DBS. ONCE IT GOES TO 17 FEET, IT DROPS DOWN TO 66 DBS. ONCE IT GOES DOWN TO 50 FEET, IT DROPS DOWN TO 60 DBS. SO THE DECIBEL POINTS THAT THEY GIVE YOU A 50. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THEY GOT THAT NUMBER AND YES, RONNIE DID MENTION THAT MAGICAL SPEAKER DID AUTOMATICALLY KIND OF ADJUST ITSELF. I DID ASK HIM VERY CLEARLY, CAN YOU PLEASE TAKE US TO ONE? OH, WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THERE'S ONE AT. CAN YOU DEMONSTRATE ONE? WE DON'T WANNA KNOW WHO'S AT ONE'S AT SO VERY CLEARLY. IF HE DOES NOT KNOW STARBUCKS CAN BE TEACH US. WHERE DO WE GO? AND WE CAN SEE THIS MAGICAL SPEAKER THAT IT DOES 'CAUSE I HAVE NOT HEARD OF ONE NOW MAYBE ON THE HEADPHONES SIGN FOR THE INDIVIDUALS. SO BEFORE RUNNING OUTTA TIME, I THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT REMEMBER THIS IS A PRIVATE DEAD END STREET. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO ALL THE VEHICLES THAT DO BACK UP? MY SUGGESTION IS THERE'S NO ENTRANCE OR EXIT ON CHESTNUT. NOW WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH THE TRAFFIC COMING OUT? THE OTHER THING IS WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN OUR ROAD? THESE VEHICLES, ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN TO STARBUCKS, THEY WANT THEIR COFFEE GET OUTTA THEIR WAY. THEY DON'T CARE HOW THEY CUT, WHO THEY CUT OFF. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE OVERFLOW GOES UP TO OUR STREET, PUT A GATE SO THEY DON'T COME UP TO OUR STREET. 'CAUSE WHO'S GONNA MAINTAIN OUR STREET WHEN ALL THE OVERFLOW GOES UP THERE? AND THANK YOU FOR AT LEAST CONSIDERING THE HOURS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME BEFORE I RUN OUT. THANK YOU MR. VIRO. NEXT SPEAKER, KATHY TOWNSEND. HELLO, KATHY TOWNSEND WITH A-K-A-T-H-Y-T-O-W-N-S-E-N-D. UH, I'M THE ONE THAT PROVIDED YOU WITH WRITTEN, UH, NOTES JUST IN CASE I RUN OVER TIME. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE THE OWNERS OF A TRIPLEX, MULTI-FAMILY BUILDING THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 13 FEET AWAY FROM THE AND NORTH OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. WE ARE LA HABER RESIDENTS. WE ARE LA HABER BUSINESS OWNERS. WE LIVE ON SITE AND WE RENT OUT TWO ONE BEDROOM RENTALS. WE'VE OWNED THE PROPERTY FOR 40 PLUS YEARS. WE CURRENTLY SHARE A BLOCK WALL WITH THE PROPERTY BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE PROJECT. WE BELIEVE THE BUILDING OF A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT THAT IS LESS THAN 13 FEET FROM OUR BEDROOM WINDOWS AND LIVING AREAS WILL NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OURSELVES AND FOR OUR TENANTS. WE BELIEVE THIS TO BE TRUE FOR MULTIPLE REASONS. WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS, THAT THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN NOISE LEVELS WITH VEHICLES COMING THROUGH THE DRIVE-THROUGH PROPERTY PAST OUR SHARED BLOCK WALL. UH, WITH THE PROPOSED TWO DRIVE-THROUGH LANES. OUTDOOR MENU BOARDS ARE NOTED FOR THE PROPERTY FOR CUSTOMER ORDERING, WHICH WILL ALSO INCREASE THE NOISE LEVEL FOR US AND OUR TENANTS, UH, COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC DELIVERING SUPPLIES TO THE RESTAURANT WILL INCREASE NOISE LEVELS. WE BELIEVE THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN POOR AIR QUALITY FROM HIGHER LEVELS OF VEHICLE EMISSIONS DUE TO THE IDLING OF VEHICLES USING THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES ADJACENT TO OUR PROPERTY AT THE MOMENT, A MAP PROVIDED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AND APPROVED BY STARBUCKS SHOWS 23 VEHICLES, NOT THE 17. SO MAYBE WE GOT THE WRONG MAP. UH, IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH, UH, ORDERING LANES, THE LETTER FROM THE OWNER INDICATES THE EXISTENCE OF AN APPROXIMATELY SIX FOOT BLOCK WALL. THIS IS THE BLOCK WALL THAT BORDERS OUR PROPERTY WITH THE PROPOSED PROJECT. THIS BLOCK WALL IS TIERED AND GOES DOWN TO A HEIGHT OF THREE FEET, SIX INCHES AT THE EAST END OF THE DRIVEWAY TO ALLOW FOR VEHICLES EXITING THE DRIVEWAY TO MAKE SURE THERE IS STREET CLEARANCE. THE LETTER FROM THE PROPERTY OWNER INDICATES THAT THIS EXISTING BLOCK WALL WILL ENHANCE PRI PRIVACY AND REDUCE NOISE. WE HAVE LIVED WITH THIS BLOCK WALL FOR 40 YEARS, AND NOTE THAT THE WALL DOES NOT REDUCE THE NOISE COMING FROM WHITTIER BOULEVARD. THIS IS BECAUSE OUR BUILDING IS ELEVATED AND OUR WINDOWS ARE MORE THAN HALFWAY ABOVE, UM, THE EXISTING BLOCK WALL. WE DO NOT BELIEVE THIS EXISTING BLOCK WALL WILL REDUCE THE NOISE LEVEL OF THE INCREASED VEHICLES AND COMMERCIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC. PROPERTY THAT IS, WILL BE DIRECTLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WALL. WE QUESTION HOW A SEVEN FOOT LANDSCAPE HEDGE WILL REDUCE THE NOISE. WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE OUR TENANTS THE RIGHT TO QUIET ENJOYMENT. THIS MEANS FOR OUR TENANTS THAT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO OCCUPY THEIR RENTAL UNIT WITHOUT AN OUTSIDE PARTY'S INTERFERENCE, BE IT SOMEONE BLOCKING THEIR PARKING PLACE OR HAVING TO DEAL WITH OUTSIDE NOISE OR INCREASED NOISE LEVELS. WHEN OUR TENANTS MOVED IN, THEY WERE AWARE OF THE NOISE LEVEL COMING OFF OF WHITTIER BOULEVARD. WE BELIEVE THE NOISE LEVEL NOW WILL [01:10:01] INCREASE WITH A PROPOSED DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT AND TO DRIVE LANES AND THE OUTDOOR MENU BOARDS. THIS WILL COMPROMISE OUR ABILITY AS LANDLORDS TO PROVIDE OUR RENTERS WITH A LEVEL OF PEACE AND QUIET THAT EXISTS NOW AND COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT OUR RENTAL BUSINESS. WE HAVE LIMITED PARKING PLACES FOR OUR TENANTS, AND WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THE OVER FULL PARKING FOR THOSE CUSTOMERS TO STARBUCKS THAT AREN'T ABLE TO PARK IN THE PARKING TRUCK IN THE PARKING LOT AND WILL NEED TO USE PARKING ON THE STREET. WE ARE ADDITIONALLY, OF COURSE, CONCERNED THAT THE INCREASED IN TRAFFIC CONGESTION COMING IN AND OUT OF OUR SMALL PRIVATE STREET WILL CREATE EVEN MORE CHALLENGES THAN WE CURRENTLY HAVE. GETTING ONTO WHITTIER BOULEVARD, GOING EAST, SOUTH, OR WEST CHESTNUT STREET IS A DEAD END PRIVATE STREET. THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY, AS NOTED, ARE THE ONES TO MAINTAIN THE STREET. ADDITIONAL VEHICLES WE BELIEVE ARE GOING TO THEN, UH, DETERIORATE OUR SECTIONS OF THE STREET. WE ONLY HAVE ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. BASED ON THE PROPOSED DRAWING, IT ALLOWS AN ENTRY AND EXIT AT CHESTNUT STREET, WHICH WILL CREATE THE TRAFFIC AND CONGESTION. THE CONGESTION COULD POTENTIALLY TRAP THE RESIDENTS ON OF CHESTNUT STREET, ON THEIR OWN STREET. I BELIEVE WE CURRENTLY HAVE FIVE LOCATIONS, STARBUCKS LOCATIONS IN THE HABRA. UH, WE COULD NOT FIND ANY THAT WERE AS CLOSE IN PROXIMITY AS OURS IS TO THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. AGAIN, 13 FEET AWAY FROM OUR BEDROOM WINDOWS. UH, A FACEBOOK OF LAHABRA NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PAGE FROM TWO ON THE TOWN WITH JAMES GOMEZ ON NOVEMBER 4TH, 2023, HAD RECEIVED A PROPOSAL FOR THIS STARBUCKS AND HAD NOTIFIED PEOPLE ON, ON FACEBOOK. UH, AND THERE WERE MANY COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE WERE ASKING, WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER STARBUCKS? ALSO, THE MAP PROVIDED BY THE OWNER WAS AS, UH, STARBUCKS OPERATION APPROVED ON JANUARY 8TH, 2023. AS NOTED, WE WERE JUST NOTIFIED BY THIS, BY THE PROPERTY OWNER AS OF APRIL 5TH, 2024. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. TOWNSEND. TOM TOWNSEND. I'LL PASS. OKAY, I FINISHED SO HE DOESN'T NEED TO SPEAK. OKAY. . GARY HIN. I'M SORRY IF I SAID THAT WRONG. VERONICA. COULD YOU SPELL THE LAST NAME FOR ME? T-A-K-E-S-S-I-A-N? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. UM, I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY NEXT TO THE TOWNSENDS, 8 31, 8 35. 8 39. UH, CHESTNUT. I JUST A COUPLE OF CONCERNS, BUT MY MAJOR CONCERN, AND IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES NOW, IS PARKING. THE PROPOSAL WAS 10 PARKING SPOTS ON THE PREMISES, AND ACCORDING TO THE DIAGRAM, IT LOOKS LIKE FOUR. THAT'S PARALLEL ON THE, ON CHESTNUT ITSELF, BUT THAT'S A KINDA A COMMON PARKING AREA. CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, UH, GENERALLY FIVE CARS PARKED IN THIS, UH, RIGHT ALONG KIND OF A CURB THERE. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE 10 SPOTS THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY, TWO OF THEM ARE HANDICAPPED AT PEAK. UH, AND A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER WAS, UM, AT A MAXIMUM SIX PEOPLE WORKING IN THE, IN THE RESTAURANT AT, AT ANY, AT A PARTICULAR TIME. WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE SIX CARS THAT NEED PARKING. MAYBE THEY WON'T. MAYBE WE GET LUCKY AND THEY UBER OR LYFT OR, OR TAKE PUBLIC TRA TRANSPORTATION. BUT IN ANY EVENT, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE SIX AT CERTAIN TIMES. THAT MEANS THEY'LL BE OCCUPYING SIX LOCATIONS. WHEN YOU DO THE MATH, YOU TAKE AWAY THE TWO AND THE SIX. THAT LEAVES ONLY A COUPLE OF SPOTS LEFT ON THE PRO ON THE PREMISES. THEY DO HAVE PROVIDED OUTDOOR DINING, IT LOOKS LIKE. AND I THINK THE ESTIMATE WAS FOR UP TO 10, 10 GUESTS, AND I'M GONNA ASSUME THEY'RE GONNA NEED A PARK. THE PROBLEM, WHAT WE HAVE IS IN FRONT OF EACH OF THE PROPERTIES, WE HAVE DESIGNATED, UH, PARKING SPOTS. OKAY. I WILL JUST CLARIFY BY USING AN EXAMPLE. INSTEAD OF IN, IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY, THERE ARE TWO LOCATIONS, ONE FOR EACH TENANT, AND THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THEIR DESIGNATED SPOTS. THEY DON'T HAVE A GARAGE TO PARK IN, UH, IN FRONT OF THE TOWNSENDS, THEY HAVE TWO TENANTS, TWO SPOTS. SO WHEN SOMEBODY'S OUT WORKING, SAY THEY COME HOME AND A PATRON OF STARBUCKS CAN'T FIND A PLACE TO PARK, THEY MIGHT OCCUPY THAT, THAT SPOT. I WON'T EVEN PARK IN FRONT OF THE ONE OF THOSE TWO, UH, DESIGNATED SPOTS IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY, BECAUSE AGAIN, THOSE AREN'T FOR THE TENANTS. THEY'RE, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THEY HAVE. IF THEY DON'T GET TO PARK THERE, THEY HAVE TO FIND A PLACE, MAYBE, [01:15:01] YOU KNOW, DOWN THE STREET, DOWN WOODIER BOULEVARD SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE. I JUST WANNA MENTION ONE MORE THING. UH, YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COLOR OF THE STREET, AND YOU, YOU LOOKED AT THE STREET AND IT LOOKED LIKE A, LIKE A DIFFERENT SHADE OF, OF ASPHALT. UM, THE PART THAT WAS ADJACENT TO THE ELKS CLUB WAS A LIGHTER COLOR THAN YOU SAW IN THE CORNER. IT WAS DARKER. THAT'S BECAUSE, AND IT'S BROUGHT UP A FEW TIMES, WE HAVE TO REPAVE IT AND, AND ALL THE, ALL THE OWNERS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS GET TOGETHER AND THEY PULL THEIR MONEY AND THEY HAVE TO RESURFACE THAT PROPERTY. UM, EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, THE LAST TIME WE DID IT, IT WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE 2022, AND THE PROPERTY OWNER OF THE ELKS CLUB DID NOT PARTICIPATE IN THAT. THAT'S WHY IT'S, UH, IT'S AN OLD PAVEMENT. THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THAT COLOR. UH, IT NORMALLY, THEY ALWAYS HAVE. SO, UH, I DON'T HAVE MUCH ELSE TO SAY ABOUT THAT. UM, I'LL END IT THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. UH, DEANNE ZAMORA. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DEANNE ZAMORA, Z-A-M-O-R-A. AND I LIVE AT 9 41 CHESTNUT. AND LIKE MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS HAD MENTIONED A HUGE CONCERN IS IN REGARDS TO, UH, THE BACKUP OF THE TRAFFIC. UM, I, UNLIKE MY NEIGHBORS, EMMA, A STARBUCKS CUSTOMER, SO I HAVE GONE TO ALL THE STARBUCKS IN THE CITY OF LA HABRA, . BUT, UM, MY, ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS IN REGARDS TO WHEN THE TRAFFIC BACKS UP, HOW WE WERE TOLD THERE'S GONNA BE AN ASSOCIATE COME OUT AND PUT CONES, AND I JUST THINK THAT'S GONNA, HOW HURT, UH, AND POSSIBLY CAUSE MORE ACCIDENTS. UM, POSSIBLY JUST, I MEAN, IN GENERAL, US RESIDENTS LEAVING IN AND OUT, IT'S JUST GONNA BE AN OVERFLOW OF TRAFFIC. AND WITH OTHER CUSTOMERS COMING IN, UH, LIKE THE OTHER, OTHER RESIDENTS MENTIONED, IT'S A ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT. SO I'M NOT TOO SURE WHAT OR HOW STARBUCKS IS GOING TO MANAGE THE CONES. IF THERE'S GONNA BE AN ASSOCIATE OUT THERE JUST KIND OF LOOKING OR MAINTAINING OR HOW THAT'S GONNA GO ABOUT. UM, IT DOES CONCERN ME BECAUSE I HAVE A SON THAT DOES DRIVE, UM, BACK AND FORTH TO SCHOOL. UH, SO LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, I AM A STARBUCKS CUSTOMER. AND YEAH, SOMETIMES IN THE MORNING WE DO NEED OUR COFFEE AND EVERYONE'S IN A HURRY, AND IF THERE'S OVERFLOW, SOMEBODY WITH, YOU KNOW, AN ASSOCIATE BLOCKING WITH CONES, I JUST, I JUST DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE PROCESS OF THAT. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. MS. ZAMORA. STEVE, IS IT SAMANO? YES. OKAY. VERONICA, COULD VERONICA COULD YOU PLEASE SPELL THAT FOR US? Z-A-M-O-R-A-N-O. HELLO, COUNSEL. HOW YOU GUYS DOING? MY NAME IS STEVEN ZAMARANO, AGAIN, Z-A-M-O-R-A-N-O. AND I RESIDE AT 9 4 1 CHESTNUT STREET. AND I CAN SAY I AM THE NEWEST, WELL, MY WIFE, MY SON, WE ARE THE, THE NEWEST MEMBER OF THAT CHEST, UH, CHESTNUT STREET. MY MAIN CONCERN, I KNOW MY FELLOW NEIGHBORS, THEY BROUGHT UP THE WHOLE THING. I THINK, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT WHAT THEY SAID, BUT MY THING IS, UH, WHEN I WENT TO GO BUY THE, UH, BUY THE HOUSE, THE PROPERTY, I LOVE THE STREET. I LOVE THE AREA. IT'S A DEAD END. IT WAS, UH, PEACEFUL, PEACEFUL AND QUIET, NO TRAFFIC. AND MY MAIN CONCERN NOW WITH THIS PROJECT BEING BUILT IS UNKNOWN PEOPLE. MORE TRAFFIC, MAKING U-TURNS. I LIVE TOWARDS THE END OF THE CUL-DE-SAC. SO RIGHT NOW, WHEN THERE'S UNKNOWN VIS, UM, PEOPLE THAT DON'T NOT RESIDE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY COME AND THEY MAKE U-TURNS IN OUR DRIVEWAY, AND I SEEN A COUPLE TIMES THEY COME AND DEEP INTO THEIR DRIVEWAY, ALMOST HIT OUR CARS AND STUFF. SO NOW MY CONCERN IS MORE TRAFFIC. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY OF DOWN THE LINE IS GOING INTO MY PROPERTY AND POSSIBLY DAMAGING ONE OF OUR VEHICLES. AND I THINK ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERN IS, UH, IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN HARBOR ONTO WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND YOU MAKE A RIGHT ON THE CHESTNUT, I KNOW THEY SAID THEY WERE TO PUT OUT SOME CONES, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, I'M SURE YOU GUYS ALL KNOW THEY SPEED DOWN WOODIER BOULEVARD. AND WHEN YOU MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN TO GO INTO THE ENTRANCE FROM JUST THAT, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THE CONES. SO IF IT'S CLOSED, THEY'RE GONNA GO BYPASS THE CONES AND THEY'RE GONNA SEE A NICE OPEN AREA. [01:20:01] THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A A U-TURN. I KNOW THEY SAID TO, THEY CAN MAKE THREE POINT TURNS, BUT THERE'S ALREADY CARS RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE TRIPLEX. AND MY CONCERN IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A THREE POINT TURN THERE, THEY'LL JUST LET GO ON OUR PRIVATE STREET WITH NO CARS OR PARKED THERE. THEY'RE TO MAKE THAT U-TURN. SO THROUGHOUT THE DAY, I JUST ENVISION A LOT OF CARS COMING DOWN EVERY HOUR OF THE DAY MAKING U-TURN. SO THAT, THAT'S ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS ON THAT. AND SO NOW, AND, AND THERE'S A PRIVATE STREET, SO NOW I'M THINKING PRIVATE STREET. NOW WE'VE GOT MULTIPLE CARS NOW. MIGHT BE COMING DOWN HERE. I MIGHT AS WELL JUST TAKE THAT SIDE DOWN BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PRIVATE STREET NO MORE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ALL THE EXCESS TRAFFIC OR ALL THE PARKING, ALL THE, IF THERE'S, I KNOW I'VE SEEN LIKE, IT'S LIKE IN AND OUT YOU GO AND THERE'S A LINE TOO BIG, TOO BIG OF A LINE, YOU LIKE, I'M NOT GONNA STAY, I'M NOT GONNA GO ON THAT LINE, OBVIOUSLY GO OUT, MAKE A U-TURN AND GO OUT TO THE NEXT DOOR, BUT DOWN ON BEACH AND, UM, AND, UH, WHITTIER. SO MY THING IS JUST THE TRAFFIC. I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN THING IS THE TRAFFIC. SO I'M DONE. THANK YOU. THANK, THANK YOU, SIR. LINDA BENNET. MY NAME IS LINDA BENNETT. I LIVE AT, UH, NINE 60 CHESTNUT STREET. BEEN THERE SINCE ABOUT 1995. UM, IT'S A LOVELY LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD, VERY QUIET. WE ARE ON A DEAD END STREET, BUT BELIEVE ME, IT DOESN'T STOP PEOPLE IS WE HAVE, THERE'S A SIGN RIGHT AT WHITTIER, IT SAYS, DEAD END. JESSE PUT SOME REFLECTOR AT THE END OF OUR STREET. THAT DOESN'T STOP. PEOPLE, THEY COME ZOOMING UP THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE THINKING. IT'S A DEAD END. THERE'S NO, YOU CAN'T GET OUT. BUT IT DOESN'T STOP PEOPLE NOW. AND I'M AFRAID IT'S WHEN PEOPLE COME AROUND THAT CORNER AND THEY SEE THAT CONNED OFF, THEY'RE GONNA COME UP INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, MAKE A U-TURN AND GO BACK AND EITHER GET IN THE LINE OR TRY SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S GONNA IMPACT US. AND WHEN YOU PUT TOGETHER THE FACT THAT WE MAINTAIN THAT STREET OUT OF OUR POCKETBOOK, AND BELIEVE ME, ASPHALT'S EXPENSIVE. SO JUST GIVE IT A, GIVE IT A GOOD THOUGHT. THANK YOU, MS. BENNETT. LAUREL MARTINEZ. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LAUREL MARTINEZ, M-A-R-T-I-N-E-Z. AND I, UH, I'M GONNA SPEAK FOR A NEIGHBOR, A FORMER NEIGHBOR. HER NAME WAS CARRIE PAGE, AND SHE, UM, WROTE THIS LETTER WHEN SHE HEARD WHAT WAS HAPPENING. SHE'S SICK AND SHE COULDN'T BE HERE, OTHERWISE SHE'D BE HERE. SO I'M GONNA READ IT. THESE ARE HER WORDS. OKAY, UM, HELLO. MY HUSBAND AND I LOVED OUR HOME AT 9 41 NORTH CHESTNUT AND STARTED OUR FAMILY THERE. AFTER A YEAR OR SO, WE NOTICED THE ELKS LODGE WAS IN PERIL. ULTIMATELY, WE DECIDED TO, TO MOVE FOR FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN. THEY WERE AFRAID A, A MCDONALD'S OR STARBUCKS WOULD BE, WAS GOING TO BE PUT IN THERE. SHE SAID, I WAS BORN AND RAISED IN THIS TOWN AND HAVE IMMENSE PRIDE AND PREJUDICE WITH EACH DECISION THE PLANNERS ACT UPON. I HAVE SEEN MANY BENEFICIAL AND DETRIMENTAL CHANGES IN THE ALMOST 50 YEARS AS A RESIDENT. ONE PROBLEM THAT I SEE TIME AND TIME AGAIN AS A PROFESSIONAL INTERIOR DESIGNER IS PEOPLE MAKING POOR CHOICES IN HOMES AND COMMUNITIES WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING COHESIVE DESIGN PLANS. PROPER INGRESS AND EGRESS ARE ESSENTIAL TO ANY EFFICIENT DESIGN PLAN, JUST BECAUSE ON PAPER IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN SQUEEZE SOMETHING IN, DOESN'T MEAN IT WILL WORK. IT DOESN'T ALWAYS TRANSLATE TO THE PROPER USE OF SPACE. IN THE ACTUAL FINISHED DESIGN, THE ELKS LODGE NEEDED TO GO. IT WAS A BY BYGONE ERA, AND WE AS HOMEOWNERS HAD A GREAT FEAR OF WHAT WOULD BECOME OF THAT, UH, LOT. ONCE IT WAS GONE, WE WEREN'T ABLE TO TAKE THE RISK OF A STARBUCKS OR MCDONALD'S GOING IN INTO AN ALREADY IMPOSSIBLY DIFFICULT TRAFFIC SITUATION FOR OUR TRACT HOMES. IT WAS A NIGHTMARE. AND ON THIS, I AGREE, UH, WORKING IN THE MORNING AND LEAVING AND TURNING LEFT ONTO THE STREET WITHOUT A STARBUCKS. THERE, IT WAS A NIGHTMARE TO GO TO WORK AND TAKE OUR CHILDREN TO SCHOOL OR SPORTS. I WAS PULLED OVER FOR TRYING TO TIME THE TRAFFIC JUST RIGHT TO GET MY SON TO BASEBALL. THE SUITE OFFICER ACTUALLY AGREED WITH ME ABOUT WHAT A NIGHTMARE THAT STREET IS, AND I SAID THAT I WOULD NEED TO PETITION THE STATE TO GET A TRAFFIC LIGHT PUT IN. SHE SAID, I AM NO GOLIATH. I'M A MOM WITH SMALL CHILDREN. I HOPE THIS, THESE ARE HER WORDS. I HOPE YOU'LL HEAR MY NEXT WORDS, CRYSTAL CARLEY. AND MAY THEY HAUNT YOU. IF YOU MOVE FORWARD ON THIS DECISION, WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE AND PRESERVE OUR LITTLE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEIR CHARM, EVEN GATE THEM TO DRIVE UP THE HOME VALUES AND FEELING OF SAFETY. YOU PASS THIS PROPOSAL TO BUILD A STARBUCKS AND TAKE AWAY WHAT LITTLE CHARM WE HAVE LEFT. IN LA HABRA, YOU'LL FIND MANY DISGUSTED VOTERS. THESE HOMES BEHIND US ARE ONE HALF ACRE LOTS. [01:25:01] LAHABRA DOESN'T HAVE MANY OF THOSE ANYMORE. WE SEEM TO SELL OUR SOUL TO ANYONE WITH A DOLLAR, REGARDLESS OF THE RECKLESS AFTERMATH. A STARBUCKS IS RIDICULOUS FOR THAT AREA. I CHALLENGE EACH ONE OF YOU TO TRY TO GET OUT OF THAT STREET DURING RUSH HOUR TIMES. HAVEN'T WE LEARNED ENOUGH FROM THE PREVIOUS WEIRD EGRESS AND EGRESS LAHABRA SET UP WITH THE IN AND OUT ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD? I DON'T KNOW ANOTHER CITY THAT HAS A MASTER PLAN FOR DEVELOPMENT ONLY TO HAVE IT UTTERLY FAILED BECAUSE SUCH A LOGISTICAL MESS THAT THEY HAVE TO USE TRAFFIC CONES BECAUSE IT'S SO CONFUSING. WHO GOES WHERE? THAT'S LAHABRA AT THE MOMENT. I'M, I'M NOT LEAVING, I'M LEAVING OUT SOME. THERE ARE FAR MORE SUITABLE LOCATIONS. THE FORMER ELK LODGE NEEDS TO BE REDEVELOPED WITH A SUITABLE BUSINESS, NOT JUST ANYONE OFFERING A CHECK. I VISIT THE OTHER TWO STARBUCKS LOCATIONS ALMOST EVERY DAY, AND THEY'RE BOTH NIGHTMARES TO GET IN AND OUT OF. I CANNOT POSSIBLY IMAGINE HOW MUCH ONE AT THIS NEW PROPOSED LOCATION WILL DRIVE DOWN THE PROPERTY VALUES AND CREATE A LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARE. I WOULDN'T SPEND THE TIME TO WRITE THIS IF IT DIDN'T MATTER TO ME. WITH EVERY BIT OF PRIDE I HAVE IN THE CITY, PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MS. MARTINEZ. TONY MARTINEZ. HI, I'M TONY MARTINEZ. IT'S M-A-R-T-I-N-E-Z. UM, I'M GONNA SAY SOME OF THE SAME THINGS, BUT UH, I'M GONNA GO RIGHT TO THIS. IF YOU SEE THE EGRESS COMING OUT ONTO BOULEVARD OFF OF, OFF OF CHESTNUT, THERE'S THREE CARS THERE. IF THREE CARS COME OUT TO MAKE A LEFT OR A RIGHT, WE'RE BLOCKED IN. IT'S LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW. IT'S HARD TO MAKE A RIGHT HAND. IT'S HARD TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT COULD POSSIBLY BENEFIT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. WHEN WE BOUGHT HERE IN WHITTIER, MY WIFE GREW UP HERE, OR EXCUSE ME, IN LAHABRA. MY WIFE AND I BOTH GREW UP IN, IN WHITTIER, IN LA MARADA. WE SAW THIS STREET. WE HAVE GRANDCHILDREN. THEY PLAYED ON THE STREET. I, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE CARS COMING ON DOWN THE STREET, UM, IS DETRIMENTAL TO, TO EVERYBODY. UM, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING FOR OUR, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS FAR AS OUR PROPERTY VALUES. I SEE THEM GOING DOWN, RIGHT? THIS IS GONNA DO NOTHING FOR US. AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET TO BE OUR AGE, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH RETIRED. MOST, A GOOD, GOOD PORTION OF THE PEOPLE ON THE STREET ARE RETIRED. WE DON'T NEED THE AGGRAVATION OF PEOPLE COMING AND PARKING AND BLOCKING US. WHEN I FIRST ADDRESSED THIS, IT WAS PEOPLE LEAVING. BUT IF PEOPLE COME DOWN WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND TURN RIGHT ON THE CHESTNUT, NOW YOU HAVE A REAL, A REAL BLOCKAGE AND THEY'RE GONNA BE EAGER TO CUT IN AND GO AND PARK OR GET INTO THE, UH, PROPERTY. THEY'RE GONNA BLOCK TRAFFIC FOR US. UM, THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS IT'S, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A TOTAL NIGHTMARE TO ME. AND IF, IF YOU HAVE TIME GO THERE IN THE MORNING OR IN THE EVENING, SOMETIMES IT'S HARD TO COME HOME FROM WORK. FOR, FOR SOME THOSE AT WORK TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN, TO TURN ONTO THE CHESTNUT. IF WE HAVE TRAFFIC COMING IN FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS, WE'RE AT A LOSS. I MEAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MR. MARTINEZ. THOSE ARE ALL THE CARDS I HAVE. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT'S WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT? COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD? GOOD EVENING. MICHELLE BARNIER. AND YOU GUYS ALL KNOW ME. UM, THE AUDIENCE DOESN'T KNOW ME, BUT I AM ACTUALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS BEEN ON ALL THE STARBUCKS PROJECTS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I SAW SEVERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WHITTIER PROJECT, SO I'M JUST GONNA GIVE YOU WHAT WE DID. SO YOU GUYS HAVE INFORMATION ON IT. SO THE WALL THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT, UH, ACROSS, WE EXTENDED IT. THAT WAS BUILT INTO THE PLAN. THAT WASN'T PART OF THE PLAN. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE APPROVED LATER. IT WAS, UH, SUGGESTED AT SIX FOOT. WE EXTENDED IT TO EIGHT FEET. I WENT BACK SPECIFICALLY MYSELF SIX MONTHS A YEAR AND TWO YEARS LATER ASKING CITY STAFF TO ASK THE NEIGHBORHOOD IF THEY HAD TROUBLE WITH SOUND. AFTER THAT, WE DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. DECIBELS WERE DEFINITELY, UM, ADDRESSED IN THAT PROJECT. ALSO, WE HAD, UH, WE ASKED FOR THE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DECIBELS AND TO HELP BRING DOWN THE NOISE ON THAT TWO, THREE. WHAT WE DID ALSO WAS FOR THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP SEVERAL TIMES. WE ASKED, WE'VE ASKED TRAFFIC [01:30:01] FROM BEFORE. I THINK MS. NIK AND I HAVE BEEN ON THESE, ALL THESE PROJECTS TOGETHER, UM, TO COME BACK SIX MONTHS AND A YEAR LATER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OKAY ON TRAFFIC. THAT ALL THESE SITUATIONS THAT ARE COMING UP IN CONVERSATIONS, IF THE PROJECT GOES THROUGH THAT WE GO BACK AND CHECK THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE PUT A REQUIREMENT AND A CONDITION ON THAT ALSO. UM, I THINK THAT'S THE LAST THREE THAT I CAN ANSWER FOR THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. MY SUGGESTION IS, MY ONLY SUGGESTION IS, IS THE LAST ONE THE TRAFFIC. LET'S COME BACK SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR LATER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES THAT EVERYBODY HAD. SO, THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU MRS. BARNIER. ANYBODY ELSE? OKAY, SEEING NO MORE SPEAKERS AT THIS TIME, UM, IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO REBUT OR SHARE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS, NOW WOULD BE THE TIME TO DO SO. UH, YES. SO THERE WAS A FEW COMMENTS MADE, UM, ON DIFFERENT TOPICS. I'M JUST GOING TO ADDRESS THEM CHRONOLOGICALLY AS, UH, THE RESIDENTS APPEARED. UH, THE FIRST POINT WAS THERE WAS A MENTION ABOUT A CHOKE POINT AT THE THERE TOP LEFT, WHICH IS A NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE SITE PLAN. UM, THE SITE PLAN WAS CONFIGURED IN CONJUNCTION WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER, MICHAEL PLOTNICK, UM, AND OUR ARCHITECT. UH, THIS HAS GONE OVER IN QUITE A BIT OF DETAIL, UH, TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE A PROPER, UH, SITE PLAN CONFIGURATION. UM, JUST AS IT RELATES TO THE CITY'S REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN CONFIGURATION, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MICHAEL PLOTNIK, UH, TO COME AND, UH, SPEAK ON THE CITY'S REVIEW OF THE SITE PLAN THAT WE DID SUBMIT AS PART OF THE PROJECT, UH, TO ENSURE THE PROPER SITE PLAN, UH, CIRCULATION. I, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU ON THAT ITEM. I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION DOES. I DO NOT EITHER. NO. YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN JUST MOVE ON, MR. RAVANA. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS ONE OF THE, THE CONCERNS, IF YOU WILL. UM, THE SECOND COMMENT WAS THERE WAS A POINT MADE ABOUT, UM, UH, MY RECOMMENDING A U-TURN, UH, AT CYPRUS. SO, UH, A COUPLE OF THE RESIDENTS HAD MENTIONED THAT, UH, THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONCERN THAT WHEN THEY'RE EXITING CHESTNUT STREET, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR 'EM TO MAKE A LEFT ONTO WHITTIER BOULEVARD. AND, UM, WHEN WE HAD THE CONVERSATION AT THE MEETING WITH THEM, THEY MADE IT SOUND LIKE THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO HEAD EASTBOUND ONTO WHITTIER BOULEVARD. AND I JUST MERELY SUGGESTED THAT YOU ARE ALSO ABLE TO MAKE A RIGHT ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND MAKE A U-TURN ON CYPRESS. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY COMMENT THAT I MADE IN THAT REGARD. UM, I BELIEVE THERE WAS ALSO, UH, A MENTION OF POTENTIALLY HAVING LIKE A KEEP CLEAR, UH, STRIPING ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD. UH, SO THAT WOULD ALLOW TRAFFIC TO JUST KIND OF LEAVE THAT INTERSECTION OPEN, UH, TO MAKE IT MORE EASY FOR SOME OF THE VEHICLES TO MAKE A LEFT TURN ONTO WI WHITTIER BOULEVARD. SO, UH, THAT'S TO ADDRESS THAT COMMENT. UM, THERE HAS BEEN SOME BACK AND FORTH REGARDING THE DIFFERENTIATION OF COLOR ON CHESTNUT STREET. UH, IF WE COULD BRING BACK THE, THE RENDERING, UM, THAT SHOWS THE, THE PROPERTY AND THE ASPHALT. SO ON THE WESTBOUND PORTION OF CHESTNUT STREET, WHICH WE OWN, WE ARE GOING TO COMPLETELY, UH, RESEAL AND RETRIP THAT ENTIRE AREA. SO IT IS GONNA BLEND IN AND MATCH THE COLOR OF THE ASPHALT FOR ALL THE RESIDENTS ON CHESTNUT STREET. UH, SO THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE DONE AS PART OF OUR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT. UM, ALSO ADDRESSING A COMMENT REGARDING, UH, VEHICLES ENTERING IN FROM WHITTIER TO CHESTNUT INTO THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'VE CONFIGURED THE SITE PLAN SO THAT A, YOU KNOW, A GOOD PORTION OF THE VEHICLES ARE GONNA ENTER FROM WHITTIER BOULEVARD. WHITTIER BOULEVARD IS THE MAJOR STREET HERE, NOT CHESTNUT STREET. SO, UH, IT IS OF COURSE THE INTENTION OF MOST OF THE VEHICLES [01:35:01] ARE GONNA BE ENTERING FROM WHITTIER BOULEVARD. YOU'LL ALSO SEE THAT CONVENIENTLY WHEN, UH, THE VEHICLES ARE GONNA BE EXITING THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE, THEIR IMMEDIATE EXIT AND MOST CONVENIENT EXIT IS GOING TO BE OFF ONTO WHITTIER BOULEVARD, NOT ONTO CHESTNUT STREET. SO THOSE TWO IMPORTANT POINTS ARE WORTH NOTING. UH, ANOTHER IMPORTANT POINT, UH, THAT, UH, IS RELATED TO THIS IS THIS LOCATION IS NOT GONNA HAVE INDOOR CAFE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS MENTIONED OR INCLUDED AS, OKAY. SO THIS LOCATION WILL NOT HAVE AN INDOOR CAFE. ANOTHER REASON WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS THERE ISN'T GONNA BE A LOT OF CUSTOMERS COMING, UM, AND STAYING AT THE LOCATION FOR HOURS AT A TIME, AS THEY MAY IN OTHER STARBUCKS LOCATIONS. UM, SO THAT WILL NOT BE AS PARKING INTENSIVE USE AS COMPARED TO ONE THAT MIGHT HAVE, UH, INDOOR DINING. UM, WITH REGARD TO NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, THE CITY IS REQUIRING US TO HAVE 10, BUT WE ARE INCLUDING 13. SO THE THREE STALLS OFF OF CHESTNUT STREET ARE WITHIN OUR PROPERTY LINE. UM, SO I JUST WANTED THAT DESIGNATION TO BE MADE CLEAR AS WELL, UH, THAT WE DO HAVE AN EXTRA THREE STALLS ON CHESTNUT, WHICH IS ON OUR PROPERTY. UH, THERE WAS COMMENT ABOUT THE WALL NOT REDUCING NOISE. UM, I, ONE OF THE OTHER, UH, SPEAKERS CAME TO MENTION THAT, UM, OUR WALL DOES GO UP TO EIGHT FEET, UM, ALONG THE NORTH NORTHWEST PORTION OF THE WALL. THERE SHOULD BE A SOUND STUDY INCLUDED AS PART OF OUR PACKAGE SUBMITTAL. WE DID HAVE A PROFESSIONAL SOUND ENGINEER, UH, COMPLETE A SOUND STUDY AND NOT EVEN USING OUR AUTOMATIC VOLUME CONTROL FUNCTION, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO USE, WE ARE ALREADY IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY OF THE HA NOISE STANDARDS. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SPOKE TO STARBUCKS ABOUT, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO ME BECAUSE I WANNA BE CONSCIENTIOUS OF OUR NEIGHBORS, IS THAT WE ARE GONNA HAVE AUTOMATIC VOLUME CONTROL IN INCLUDED AS A FEATURE ON THE MENU SPEAKER BOARDS. AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT MONITORS THE AMBIENT NOISE LEVEL CONSTANTLY. AND WHEN ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES AT SP UH, STARBUCKS IS GOING TO SPEAK THROUGH THE MENU SPEAKER BOARD FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, IT WILL AUTOMATICALLY REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF NOISE GENERATED BY THAT MENU SPEAKER BOARD. UM, WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO MUCH TECHNICALITY, UM, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IN THE SOUND STUDY HOW MUCH THAT REDUCTION, UH, TAKES PLACE. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, IF WE HAD, UH, 50 DECIBELS, WHICH IS ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY OF LA HABER'S NOISE ORDINANCE ACCEPTABILITY, UM, THE AUTOMATIC VOLUME CONTROL WILL REDUCE THAT TO 42 DECIBELS. SO OUR INTENTION IS REALLY TO BE CONSCIENTIOUS AND GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ISN'T GONNA BE MUCH NOISE GENERATED, UM, BY THE MENU SPEAKER BOARDS. UM, THE LAST COMMENT WAS REGARDING, I GUESS CURRENTLY THE RESIDENTS ARE SEEING, UH, SOME VEHICLES DRIVE UP, UH, ONTO CHESTNUT STREET ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTIES. I'VE, OF COURSE, DRIVEN ON CHESTNUT STREET AS WELL. AND AN, AN OBSERVATION THAT I HAVE MADE IS THERE'S NO SIGNS DESIGNATING THAT THERE IS PRIVATE PROPERTIES OR PRIVATE ESTATES ON CHESTNUT STREET UNTIL YOU'RE PROBABLY, HOLD ON, LET ME FINISH A SENTENCE UNTIL YOU'RE ABOUT HALFWAY UP ONTO CHESTNUT STREET. SO, AND, AND ALSO THE SIGNS ARE NOT VERY BIG. THEY'RE SMALL. SO PERHAPS A, A SUGGESTION COULD BE THAT WE COULD PLACE PRIVATE PROPERTY SIGNAGE CLOSER, UH, TO WHITTIER BOULEVARD. I'M OKAY WITH PUTTING SIGNAGE ON MY PROPERTY THAT THAT'S NO PROBLEM FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS AND MAKING THEM LARGER. SO THAT WAY AS SOON AS PEOPLE ENTER ONTO CHESTNUT STREET, IMMEDIATELY THEY'LL SAY AND SEE, HEY, THIS IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. BUT IF, IF YOU GUYS DO GET A CHANCE IF, UH, TO, TO LOOK AT THE SIGNAGE MORE CLOSELY ON CHESTNUT STREET, YOU HAVE TO GO QUITE A WAYS IN, AND IT DOES SAY CHESTNUT ESTATE, BUT IT'S A SMALL SIGN, AND I'D SAY IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT HALFWAY INTO THE STREET. UM, SO THAT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE COMMENTS THAT I WANTED TO, UH, RESPOND TO. UM, I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY FURTHER INFORMATION, UM, IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UM, THE ONLY OTHER IMPORTANT, UH, COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS, UM, IS THE CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC CONGESTION BEING CAUSED BY STARBUCKS. SO THERE'S BEEN SOME COMMENTS IN THAT REGARD, AND I WANNA SHARE WITH YOU GUYS WHAT I THINK IS, IS VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE WHOLE THOUGHT [01:40:01] PROCESS AND BEING CONSCIENTIOUS, UH, IN DESIGNING THIS PROJECT. UM, IF WE COULD GO BACK TO THE SITE PLAN, UM, THAT SHOWS THE, THE DRIVE THROUGH STACKING. SO AS PART OF OUR PROJECT, UM, WHAT WE DID IS, UH, WE DID A QUEUING ANALYSIS THAT'S ALSO INCLUDED IN THE REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO THE COMMISSIONERS. UM, THERE ARE THREE LOCATIONS THAT WE SELECTED WITH THE CITY AS COMPARISON LOCATIONS, UH, FOR STARBUCKS. THE CRITERIA FOR THAT IS FINDING STARBUCKS LOCATIONS THAT DO NOT HAVE THE INDOOR CAFE, UM, THAT, UH, HAVE THE OFFER, THE OUTDOOR PATIO AND OF COURSE HAVE THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES. UH, THAT'S SOMEWHAT OF A RELATIVE NEW CONCEPT FOR STARBUCKS THAT THEY'RE NOT INCLUDING THE INDOOR CAFES. UH, SO THE THREE LOCATIONS YOU'LL SEE ARE LAGUNA WOODS, GARDEN GROVE, AND LA PALMA. AS PART OF THAT SOUND STUDY, THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF VEHICLES, UM, IS ON AVERAGE ABOUT SIX TO NINE VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE DAY. AND THE BUSY TIMES, WE ARE OFFERING 17 CAR VEHICLE STACKING IN OUR DRIVE-THROUGH LANE. SO THE CAPACITY THAT WE HAVE AT OUR PROPERTY IS ABOUT DOUBLE WHAT THE AVERAGE IS THAT WE'RE SEEING ON THESE, UH, REPORTS. NOW, IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT DESIGNATED ON THE SITE PLAN, IF YOU SEE THERE'S A NUMBER 17 DESIGNATION, UM, WELL MAYBE IF WE HAVE SUNNI DO YOU HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH MANAGEMENT PLAN BY CHANCE UP ON THERE? I I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE SLIDE HERE. OH, THAT'S OKAY. NO PROBLEM. UM, SO THE 17 DESIGNATION THAT COUNTS THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT COULD BE STACKED IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, YOU'LL SEE A SQUARE BEHIND THAT 17, THAT'S ANOTHER MARKER FOR A VEHICLE THAT'S 18 VEHICLES. ASSUMING LET'S SAY THERE'S ONE VEHICLE THAT BACKS UP INTO THE PARKING INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S 19 VEHICLES. IT WOULD LITERALLY TAKE 20 VEHICLES BEING STACKED UP IN OUR PROPERTY TO START EVEN BACKING UP ONTO TESLA AVENUE. SO IN THE THREE LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE AS PART OF OUR, UH, TRAFFIC STUDY, AT THE BUSIEST TIME OUT OF THESE THREE LOCATIONS, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF VEHICLES QUEUED WAS ONLY 13. NOW, I'M GONNA TAKE IT A STEP FURTHER. THESE THREE LOCATIONS ARE ALL AT SIGNALIZE, FOUR WAY BUSY INTERSECTIONS THAT ALL HAVE TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN OURS. SO TAKING THAT INTO CONSIDERATION, IF YOU LOOK AT LAGUNA WOODS, THEY ONLY HAVE NINE VEHICLES STACKING CAPACITY AT THEIR PROPERTY. IF YOU LOOK AT GARDEN GROVE, THEY ONLY HAVE 11. IF YOU LOOK AT THE LA PALMA LOCATION, THEY HAVE NINE. I COULD TAKE IT A A STEP FURTHER SO THAT EVERYBODY CAN RELATE TO THE CITY OF LAHABRA, THE LOCATION OFF OF HARBOR AND EAST LAHABRA. THERE WAS A COMMENT MADE ABOUT THAT THEY ONLY HAVE EIGHT VEHICLES STACKING AGAIN, WE HAVE 19 THE LOCATION OFF OF BEACH AND WHITTIER BEACH AND WHITTIER HAS DOUBLED THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC AT THAT INTERSECTION AS US. THEIR CAPACITY IS ONLY SEVEN VEHICLES IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, AND IF IT OVERFLOWS INTO THEIR ADJACENT PARKING LOT AISLE, IT GOES TO 11 VEHICLES, BEACH AND IMPERIAL 12 VEHICLES. AND LASTLY, HARBOR AND IMPERIAL, APPROXIMATELY NINE VEHICLE STACKING OUT OF SEVEN STARBUCKS LOCATIONS THAT I'VE JUST PROVIDED. NOT ONE OF THEM HAS EVEN 13 VEHICLE STACKING. WE'RE PROVIDING 19 VEHICLE STACKING. SO THE LIKELIHOOD BASED OFF OF THIS DATA BEING REPORTED THAT ANY TRAFFIC IS GONNA BACK UP AT THE CHESTNUT AVENUE IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY. NOW WE'RE BEING PRUDENT AND WE'RE TRYING TO PLAN AHEAD ACCORDINGLY. AND WE'RE SAYING, ALL RIGHT, WELL, IN THE VERY UNLIKELY EVENT THAT THE LOCATION GETS REALLY BUSY, WE SHOULD HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE. AND WE DO, WE HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKAGE SUBMITTAL AS WELL. AND STARBUCKS IS AGREEING TO TEMPORARILY CLOSE OFF THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY. UM, IN THE EVENT, VERY UNLIKELY EVENT THAT THE TRAFFIC DOES BACK UP INTO CHESTNUT STREET. [01:45:01] IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT, UH, I COULD ANSWER UP, UP TO THAT POINT? NO. NO, I'M NOT SEEING ANY, NO. OKAY. WELL, I THINK I'VE, I'VE ANSWERED, UH, THE COMMENTS, SO, UH, I WILL LEAVE IT AT THE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. ANA. THANK YOU. SO AT THIS TIME, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY MOTIONS. COMMISSIONER MACHA, I DON'T KNOW WHO TO DIRECT THIS QUESTION TO, WHETHER IT'S STAFF OR CITY ATTORNEY, BUT, UM, WITH ALL THESE CONCERNS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, I KEEP HEARING THE LEFT HAND TURN, UM, ISSUE, I, I KEEP HEARING, UM, ISSUES RELATED TO THAT INTERSECTION. AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT THIS IS A CALTRAN STREET AND NOT THAT IT'S UNDER CALTRAN MANAGEMENT AND NOT CITY OF LA HABRA? OUR TRAFFIC MANAGER IS NODDING HIS HEAD THAT IT IS. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT COMPLICATES MATTERS OR IF IT MAKES, IT PROVIDES OTHER SOLUTIONS. UM, BUT I I I WONDER IF WE COULD CONSIDER THAT. WHAT E WHAT EXACTLY MARIE? WELL, I MEAN, SO IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT HAD TO BE DONE, RIGHT, IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, I MEAN, WHAT WOULD IT ENTAIL? WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? SO SAY IF THERE WAS A LIGHT INSTALLED AT THAT INTERSECTION INTERSECTION, UM, THAT WOULD FALL ON WHO? YEAH, YOU KNOW, WHO, WHO, WHO MAKES THAT DECISION? WHO, WHO, WHAT'S THE PROCESS? THANK YOU, MR. PLOTNICK. THANK YOU. SO THE CALTRANS STATE OF CALIFORNIA HAS TO REVIEW PROJECTS THAT AFFECT THEIR ROADWAY. THEY WOULD ULTIMATELY HAVE THE DECISION ON IF A SIGNALED INTERSECTION IS APPROPRIATE THERE, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEM AND BRING IT TO THEIR ATTENTION. BUT THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION AS THEY WOULD BEAR THE COST, THE DESIGN AND THE IMPLEMENTATION AND THE MAINTENANCE. IN YOUR OPINION, WOULD THAT EVEN BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALLEVIATE THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T EVEN MAKE A DIFFERENCE? I WOULDN'T GIVE MY OPINION. WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT DATA AND SEE WHAT THAT SAYS. THERE'S WARRANTS THAT ARE IN PLACE THAT ARE FEDERALLY SET UP, AND CALIFORNIA HAS THEIR OWN LAWS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD LOOK AT, NOT BASED ON SOMEBODY'S OPINION. BASED ON HER QUESTION THOUGH, WHO WOULD, UM, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO EVEN CONSIDER, UM, A TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THAT POINT? WOULD IT BE A REQUEST FROM THE CITY TO CALTRON SAYING, HEY, CALTRANS, I THINK WE NEED A TRAFFIC STUDY AT THIS INTERSECTION. OR WOULD THE CITY DO A TRAFFIC STUDY AND SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE DID A TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE THINK WE NEED A SIGNAL LIGHT. SO WHAT, WHAT WAY WOULD IT GO FIRST? SO THIS IS EXACTLY THE SAME SITUATION AS IMPERIAL HIGHWAY AND WALNUT STREET. OKAY. WE GOT A LOT OF COMPLAINTS THAT THERE WERE COLLISIONS. PEOPLE FELT UNSAFE. SO WE REACHED OUT TO CALTRANS AND WE BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION, THEY CONDUCTED THE STUDY AND THEY GOT BACK TO US. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO IT'S THEIR, THEIR DECISION. WHO PAYS FOR IT? THE STATE PAYS FOR IT. THE CITY DOES NOT, BUT IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THE CITY COULD MAKE THE REQUEST IN CALTRANS COULD JUST SAY, YEAH, THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. AND THAT'S CORRECT. WE COULD REACH OUT TO THEM AND WAIT FOR THEM TO GIVE US A RESPONSE AND THEY WOULD TELL US IF THIS IS APPROPRIATE OR NOT. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? MARIE? THOUGHTS? GO AHEAD. I HAVE TOTALLY UNRELATED, UNRELATED IS FINE. JUST DISCUSSION FOR ALL, ALL OF US. YEAH. SO I HAVE THREE DIFFERENT POINTS I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER AS MAYBE CONDITIONS. UM, AND IT, IT ALL GOES WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN MENTIONED. AND I THINK ONE IS THE WALL. UM, I KNOW IT RANGES FROM SIX TO EIGHT FEET AND I DO THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT IT BE EIGHT FEET ALL ALONG. SO I DO THINK IT, WHEREVER IT DROPS, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONSIDERATION TO RAISE IT TO EIGHT FEET. UM, BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE EXAMPLE ON, UM, BEACH AND WHITTIER. THE EIGHT FOOT WALL WORKS. SO IF IT WORKS BECAUSE IT BACKS RIGHT INTO THE RESIDENCE AND WE HAVE PROOF THAT IT WORKS AND IT REALLY HELPS MITIGATE THE NOISE, I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT AS, UM, UH, A CONDITION FOR THIS APPROVAL. UM, THE OTHER ONE IS, I, I DO HAVE CONCERN THAT IT IS TECHNICALLY A PRIVATE STREET. SO I HAVE ACTUALLY TURNED ON THAT STREET TO MAKE A U-TURN AND MOSTLY BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO GO LEFT AND I COULDN'T GO LEFT, SO I HAD TO GO RIGHT, AND THEN I HAD TO TURN TO CHESTNUT AND SURE ENOUGH, I WENT DOWN THE STREET AND I JUST LOOPED AROUND AND DID A U-TURN. [01:50:01] SO THAT'S VERY COMMON AND IT'S BECAUSE YOU KIND OF GET STUCK RIGHT DURING TRAFFIC HOUR. IT HAPPENS. UM, BUT I, I DO, I DO EMPATHIZE WITH THE FACT THAT YES, IF THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC COMING TO THAT CORNER, INEV, INEVITABLY THERE'S GONNA BE MORE TRAFFIC COMING TO THAT STREET. SO I DO THINK, UM, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO, UM, TO INCREASE SIGNAGE TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS A PRIVATE ROAD. UM, I THINK THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE APPROPRIATE. AND I ALSO, I KEPT HEARING THIS IDEA OF WANTING A GATE. I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, NOT THAT I'M A TRAFFIC ENGINEER OF ANY SORTS, UM, THAT A GATE MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, BUT I DO THINK THERE MIGHT BE SOME SORT OF DETERRENCE OR SOME SORT OF MITIGATION THAT THAT CAN BE PLACED AT THE VERY ENTRYWAY OF WHERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD ACTUALLY STARTS. UM, SO I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE FURTHER, UM, TO AGAIN, PUT SOME SORT OF A CONDITION OF WHETHER IT IS, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S A SPEED BUMP OR MAYBE IT'S A BIGGER SIGN. UM, I THINK FOR SAFETY ISSUES AND FOR FIRE ISSUES, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK A GATE WILL WORK. UM, AND MOSTLY FOR A FIRE JUST WORKING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ON OTHER TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS, I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY THAT MIGHT BE THE ANSWER, BUT THERE IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PLACED THERE, UM, IN ADDITION TO MAYBE THE SIGNAGE. SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK INTO THAT. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE, OF COURSE IS THE HOURS OF OPERATION. UM, I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A CONDITION TO BE PLACED ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND THE DELIVERY TIMES, AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS COMPARABLE. SO I THINK WE CAN USE, AGAIN, THE BEACH AND WHITTIER BOULEVARD AS AN EXAMPLE FOR THAT, ONLY BECAUSE IT'S VERY SIMILAR IN THAT IT BACKS INTO A RESIDENCE RESIDENTIAL AREA. SO I THINK WE NEED TO USE WHAT'S WORKING THERE AND IMPLEMENT IT HERE. UM, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE WE KNOW IT WORKS THERE. UH, SO I, SO THOSE ARE THE THREE DIFFERENT, UM, I GUESS POINTS THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE. I'M NOT READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I THINK THESE THINGS NEED TO BE STUDIED A LOT FURTHER, UM, TO BRING IT BACK WITH SOME OF THESE CONDITIONS. UM, AND THEN GO FROM THERE. AND I, AND ALSO ACTUALLY, AS MRS. BARNIER MENTIONED, I DO THINK A, A CONDITION ALSO TO BRING IT BACK WITHIN A YEAR ONCE IF IT DOES, IF AND WHEN IT DOES GET APPROVED TO BRING IT BACK AND HAVE THOSE TYPE OF CONDITIONS OF, TO RE-LOOK AT WHAT IS WORKING. 'CAUSE MAYBE THAT WOULD TRIGGER, HEY, LET'S CONTACT CLOUD TRENDS. WE PROBABLY DO NEED A SI UH, TRAFFIC ANALYSIS HERE, OR MAYBE IT DOESN'T. UM, BECAUSE THE OWNER DID MAKE A VERY GOOD POINT, HE DOES HAVE ENOUGH, I MEAN, GOSH, 17 CARS TO STACK, THAT'S PRETTY SIGNIFICANT. UM, AND THAT DOES SHOW THAT THEY ARE DEFINITELY, I DO BELIEVE THE OWNER IS TRYING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR AND TRY TO WORK WITH, YEAH, HEY, THIS IS STILL HIS BUSINESS. THIS IS STILL ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL, UM, BUT LET'S MAKE IT WORK. SO LET'S MAKE SURE WE ARE CONSIDERING THE RESIDENT'S CONCERNS, CONSIDERING THE NOISE MAYBE WITH THE WALL. LET'S CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, BIGGER SIGNAGE. ENSURE THAT PEOPLE WHO DO COME ON THERE ARE ENSURED THAT THIS IS A PRIVATE STREET. SO NOT ANYBODY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, MAKING U-TURN IN REALITY. UM, AND AGAIN, THE HOURS OF OPERATION. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROJAS. COMMISSIONER. NO, YEAH, I THINK YOU, YOU BOTH BROUGHT UP REALLY GOOD POINTS. UM, I, I WOULD JUST KIND OF THROW OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE DISCUSSING JUST DIFFERENT THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WHERE MY MIND IS AT IS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT WITH THE CONES AND STUFF SEEMS A LITTLE AWKWARD, UM, IN PRACTICE. AND I, I SAY THAT JUST, YOU KNOW, BEING A HUMAN GOING DIFFERENT PLACES AND I, I LIVE VERY CLOSE TO, YOU KNOW, THE HACIENDA AND BEACH AND WHITTIER, UH, WHERE THAT STARBUCKS IS, WHERE THAT IN AND OUT IS AND, AND ALL OF THAT. AND I THINK IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHERE THIS IS, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO RESIDENCES, IT IT IS, IT'S QUITE SIMILAR, YOU KNOW, IT HAS ITS DIFFERENCES OF COURSE. UM, YOU KNOW, FOR A MOMENT, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT, WELL WHAT IF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, STAFF COULD JUST STOP ME HERE. UM, IF THAT CHESTNUT ENTRANCE DIDN'T EVEN EXIST, WOULD THAT SOLVE ANYTHING? AND THEN MY MIND, YOU KNOW, WENT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND BECAUSE WHAT SEEMS AWKWARD TO ME IS SOME DAYS IF I'M GOING TO STARBUCKS, I GO UP CHESTNUT, I TURN IN THAT DRIVEWAY AND I HOP IN THE DRIVE THROUGH. NEXT TIME I COME, I GO UP CHESTNUT, OH, THE CONES ARE OUT TODAY AND NOW I HAVE TO MAKE A U-TURN. DO I MAKE THAT THREE POINT TURN? DO I GO ALL THE WAY DOWN AND MAKE A TURN AT THE END OF THE DEAD END? UH, AS YOU MENTIONED, COMMISSIONER ROJAS, I MEAN, THAT'S STILL HAPPENING TODAY WITHOUT THE STARBUCKS THERE. SO THIS WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THAT. OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GATED. UM, SO FOR US TO DISCUSS OR LOOK AT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ANY OF THE COMMISSION THINKS IS, YOU KNOW, WORTH TALKING ABOUT MORE, JUST BLOCKING THAT WHOLE ENTRANCE OFF COMPLETELY. UH, IS THAT SOMETHING [01:55:01] THAT WOULD EVEN BE PERMISSIBLE FROM A STAFF POINT OF VIEW? I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. AND THEN, I MEAN, AGAIN, IF IT'S A HARD NO, THEN IT'S A HARD NO. BUT IF IT'S A, WELL, WE NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT, THEN LET'S LOOK INTO IT. WHAT I DON'T LOVE ABOUT THAT IS WE CREATE A PARKING LOT PROBLEM WHERE NOW IF THEY DO GET AN OVERFLOW OF THAT DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE, IT'S KIND OF GOING RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE OF, OF WHAT IS THEIR PARKING LOT. UM, YOU, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING AND DISCUSSING A LOT OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS, UH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS ALWAYS THE CASE IS A, A PARKING LOT PROBLEM IS A STARBUCKS PROBLEM IN THIS CASE, THAT'S NOT THE RESIDENCE ON CHESTNUT'S PROBLEM. UH, YOU KNOW, IF THEIR PARKING LOT IS HARD TO MANAGE OR NAVIGATE, AS MANY PEOPLE WOULD SAY, THE IN AND OUT, YOU KNOW, IS HARD TO GET THROUGH IN DIFFERENT WAYS. UM, BUT YET PEOPLE ARE STILL GOING THERE. AND SO IF THE BUSINESS WANTS TO OPERATE THAT WAY AND IS WILLING TO OPERATE THAT WAY, THAT'S UP TO THEM. I THINK WHERE WE COME IN IS, IS THIS THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AS DESIGNED, UH, FOR THAT LOCATION, YOU KNOW, AT THIS TIME? AND SO IT WOULD JUST CREATE A LITTLE BIT OF CONGESTION THERE IN THE MIDDLE PART OF THEIR PARKING LOT. UM, AND THAT MIGHT NOT BE SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT TO THE SCOPE FOR US AS WHAT ELIMINATING THAT ENTRANCE ALTOGETHER MAY BE. UM, SO I THINK THAT'S WORTH, I'M, I'M GLAD YOU AGREE, UH, COMMISSIONER ROJAS, THAT THAT'S WORTH CONSIDERING. SUSAN, DID YOU WANT TO YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE ON THAT, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT STAFF DID CONSIDER WITH THE APPLICANT AND WHEN THE CHALLENGES IS FINDING A WAY FOR TRASH TRUCK TO MOVE ABOUT THE SITE, AND BY HAVING THAT EXIT THERE, IT DOES ALLOW THE TRASH ENCLOSURE, WHICH YOU SEE AT THE BACK OF THE SITE THERE. TYPICALLY, TRASH TRUCKS DON'T LIKE TO BACK UP. IT'S NOT A SAFE MOVEMENT, AND SO IT ALLOWS 'EM TO GO THROUGH WHILE OTHER CARS, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, THERE'S A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY. A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH, UM, TRASH PICKUP ON WHY IT'S DESIGNED THE WAY THAT IT IS. AND THAT WAS PART OF, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING I WAS GONNA BRING UP REGARDLESS WAS JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE TRASH SITUATION AND YOU KNOW, WHAT PREVENTS THAT TRASH TRUCK FROM GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN CHESTNUT AND COMING BACK AROUND AND, AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO I, I STILL THINK IT'S WORTH REVISITING THAT ALTOGETHER. I AGREE. AND I, I'VE SEEN SITUATIONS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY JUST HAVE IT FOR TRASH ACCESS ONLY, SO MAYBE IT'S MORE OF A PERMANENT TYPE OF, UH, FENCE THAT OPENS AND CLOSES AND ONLY WHEN THE TRASH COMES THAT FENCE OPENS AND TYPICALLY IT STAYS CLOSED UNLESS IT'S TRASH DAY. UM, SO THAT COULD KIND OF MAYBE MEET IN THE MIDDLE IN A COMPROMISE FOR SHUTTING DOWN MAYBE THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OFF OF CHESTNUT WHERE MAYBE IT STAYS OPEN. PROBABLY ALSO FOR FIRE. I'M THINKING FIRETRUCK, THEY PROBABLY MIGHT WANT THAT, BUT IF IT'S ONE OF THOSE MORE EMERGENCY FENCES OR THOSE THAT JUST KIND OF THE EMPLOYEE HAS TO COME OUT AND OPEN OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, THAT MAY BE A MIDDLE GROUND FOR THAT. I WOULD SIDE WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER ROJAS. I, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE MAKING ANY TYPE OF, I GUESS WE WOULD BE MAKING SOME ACTION TO REVISIT IT, BUT I'M NOT COMFORTABLE MAKING A MOTION OF APPROVAL TONIGHT BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WE WOULD JUST BE CONDITIONING LIKE CRAZY AND THEN IT WOULD BE VERY CONFUSING FOR US AND FOR THE PUBLIC. AND I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S FAIR, UM, TO DO SO. SO I THINK WHAT I'D BE COMFORTABLE DOING IS MAYBE DIRECTING STAFF TO GO BACK TO SOME OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND TO REVISIT THEM AND WE CAN CONTINUE THIS TO A DATE UNCERTAIN. SUSAN, I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND A DATE UNCERTAIN SO THAT WE DO SEND OUT NOTICES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AGAIN. OKAY. I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IMPORTANT. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'LL ADD KIND OF SOME OF THE, THE POINTS, AND I KNOW I'M GONNA REPEAT FELLOW COMMISSIONERS, BUT I, I THINK, UH, HOURS OF OPERATION CERTAINLY NEED TO BE REVISITED. AND I THINK 5:00 AM TO 10:00 PM IS PROBABLY NOT IDEAL. AND I DON'T KNOW, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK AS IF I DO KNOW, I KNOW COMMISSIONER ROJAS SAYS THE, THE OTHER LOCATION ON HACIENDA OR BEACH OR WHATEVER AND WHITTIER CLOSES EARLIER. UM, I THINK MARRYING THAT ONE DOES MAKE MORE SENSE. UM, THE DELIVERY ACCESS TIMES, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF GET SOME CLARIFICATION AND SOME REASONABLE CONDITIONS ON THAT. THE TRASH ACCESS, UM, THE, THE WALL, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE TOUGH ONE FOR ME ALL HONESTLY. UM, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, EIGHT FOOT MAKES SENSE ON ONE HAND, BUT THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT COULD CREATE AN UNINTENDED PROBLEM WITH VISIBILITY AND, AND STUFF. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW HOW THAT CAN GET REVISITED. I TRUST THAT STAFF CAN REVISIT THAT, AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE AS, AS THIS ITEM GETS, UH, IF THE COMMISSION IS SUPPORTIVE OF REVISITING THIS AT A, A FUTURE DATE, [02:00:01] UM, THAT THE RESIDENTS COULD COMMUNICATE WITH STAFF THEIR THOUGHTS AND, YOU KNOW, THEIR INPUT I THINK WOULD BE VALUABLE FOR EVERYBODY. UM, AND I WOULD SAY MR. WOOD, I, I MADE SOME NOTES AS AS YOU WERE TALKING, AS I DID WITH MANY OF THE OTHER SPEAKERS. UM, WHENEVER SOMETHING BACKS UP AND THERE'S CONGESTION ON A PUBLIC ROAD, SO LIKE THERE'S TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, IN AND OUT WILL BACK UP ON WOODIER BOULEVARD. UH, IF IT'S, IF A BUSINESS IS CREATING THAT TYPE OF TRAFFIC CONGESTION THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IMPACTING THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY ON THOSE ROADS, THAT'S A CITY CONCERN AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEFINITELY ADDRESS WITH THE CITY. SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE ANYBODY WHEN YOU SEE THINGS LIKE THAT, SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT STUFF GETS DOCUMENTED. WHAT HAPPENS WITHIN THE PRIVATE PROPERTY IF THEIR PARKING LOT IS A COMPLETE DISASTER AND JUST REALLY HARD TO MANEUVER, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THAT'S MORE ON, ON THEM AND I THINK ON US AND STAFF AS WE GO THROUGH THESE DESIGN REVIEWS TO SEE DOES THIS MAKE SENSE AND IS THERE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE MISSING? UM, SO I DID WANNA MENTION THAT FOR MR. WOODEN, FOR THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS RESIDENCE. I THINK THAT THAT COVERS MOST OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO REVISIT. COMMISSIONER UH, ENA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? NO. NO. OKAY. SO SHOULD I MOVE TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM? PLEASE DO. YEP. IS IT, UH, SECOND MOTION? SO THE MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO A, A DATE UNCERTAIN HAS BEEN MOVED BY, MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROJAS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MACHA. UM, EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES. MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO. YES, I NEED ADJUSTING MY LEG, MR. WOOD. WE'LL STICK AROUND. WE HAVE TWO OTHER ITEMS TONIGHT AND I, AND I DON'T WANT TO DELAY THOSE ANY FURTHER. I, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO THOUGH, ACTUALLY IS ASK FOR LIKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND, UH, WE WILL REVISIT THOSE ITEMS. SO I, I'M FREE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU BRIEFLY RIGHT NOW IF YOU'D LIKE. OKAY. SO WE'LL BE IN RECESS FOR FIVE MINUTES. WE'RE GOING TO RESUME. WE WILL MOVE ON TO OUR SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ITEM TONIGHT. DULY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR TENTATIVE TRACT MAP 23 DASH ZERO ONE TO ALLOW A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION FOR CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES AND DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH ZERO THREE TO CONSTRUCT 18 TOWN HOME UNITS, INCLUDING TWO UNITS FOR SALE TO MODERATE INCOME LEVEL HOUSEHOLDS ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY ADDRESSED AS ONE 20 EAST WOODIER BOULEVARD. DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT. MR. CHAIR, DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES. GOOD EVENING AGAIN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ITEM THAT COMES TO YOU FROM CITY VENTURES. THE APPLICANT'S PROJECT SITE, WHICH IS OUTLINED IN RED, IS GENERALLY LOCATED ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF IS EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD ON THE EAST OF EUCLID STREET. IT IS ON THE PROPERTY THAT WAS FORMERLY OCCUPIED BY THE BOATS PLUS RV STORAGE BUSINESS. THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TONIGHT INCLUDES TWO PLANNING ENTITLEMENTS. THE FIRST ONE IS FOR TENTATIVE TRACK MAP NUMBER 23 DASH ZERO ONE, WHICH IS ALSO REFERENCED AS TENTATIVE TRACK MAP 1 9 2 81. AND IT'S A REQUEST TO ALLOW THE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION FOR CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES ONLY. THE SECOND ENTITLEMENT IS FOR DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH ZERO THREE AND IT'S TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A TOTAL OF 18 TOWNHOME UNITS IN THIS CASE. THE APPLICANT DID SUBMIT A PRELIMINARY PLAN UNDER SENATE BILL THREE 30. THIS PRELIMINARY PLAN LOCKED IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND FEES AT THE TIME IN WHICH THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED AND DEEMED COMPLETE. AS A RESULT, THE CITY'S OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, AS WELL AS THE AMENDED MIXED USE OVERLAY STANDARDS, WHICH WERE BOTH CODIFIED AND APPROVED LATE IN UH, 2023, WILL NOT BE APPLICABLE TO THIS PROJECT. THE PROJECT DOES INCLUDE AN AFFORDABILITY [02:05:01] COMPONENT. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT TWO FOR SALE UNITS TO BE BUILT ON SITE. BY DOING THIS, THEY'RE ABLE TO BENEFIT UNDER STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW, UH, AND APPLY AND REQUEST EITHER A CONCESSION AND OR WAIVER IN ORDER TO MEET THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, WHICH REQUIRES A TOTAL OF 15% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS THEY ARE PROPOSING TO PAY IN LIEU FEES. FOR AN ADDITIONAL ONE UNIT, THAT 5% PLUS THE 10% BEING BUILT ON SITE WOULD ENABLE THEM TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY REQUIREMENT. I SHOULD NOTE FOR THE RECORD, THE AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE AIMED AT FOR SALE BUYERS AT THE MODERATE LEVEL INCOME HOUSEHOLD LEVEL. AS WITH ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENT, I'M SORRY, ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT, THE CITY WOULD REQUIRE AN AFFORDABILITY HOUSING AGREEMENT. THIS AGREEMENT WOULD IDENTIFY LOCATION MAINTENANCE OF AFFORDABLE UNITS. IT HAS THE DETAILS NEEDED TO SPECIFY IMPLEMENTATION CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, AS WELL AS THE PHASING AND COMPLETION SCHEDULE. IT ALSO INCLUDES REGULATORY LANGUAGE CONCERNING COVENANTS, FOR INSTANCE, INCLUSIONARY REGULATORY TERMS, PROMISSORY NOTES, DEEDS OF TRUST, ET CETERA. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S REVIEW AND APPROVAL. HERE'S ANOTHER SITE PLAN SHOWING THE PROPOSED PROJECT. YOU CAN SEE HERE THE PROJECT CAN BE ACCESSED THROUGH A DRIVEWAY ON EUCLID STREET AS WELL AS WHITTIER BOULEVARD. THERE ARE THREE, UH, BUILDINGS BEING PROPOSED, EACH OF WHICH CONSIST OF A SIXPLEX OR SIX UNITS TO EACH BUILDING. THERE ARE COLOR CODED, A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT FLOOR PLANS. AND LET ME JUST SKIP OVER TO THE NEXT SLIDE. I WAS GONNA DESCRIBE THE FLOOR PLAN AREA RANGES, BUT LET ME CONTINUE DESCRIBING THE SITE. AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, WE DID CONSIDER THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF OFF STREET PARKING SPACES UNDER STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW. THERE IS A REDUCED NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES IN THIS CASE, TOTALS A MINIMUM 33 PARKING SPACES. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO PROVIDE 40 PARKING SPACES. THIS DOES INCLUDE TD TWO A DA PARKING SPACES, AS WELL AS TWO GUEST PARKING SPACES. THIS, THESE REPRESENT THE TYPICAL SIXPLEX BUILDING DESIGN. THE APPLICANT'S IS USING THE SPANISH ARCHITECTURAL STYLE, AND THERE'S A NUMBER OF FEATURES WHICH EXEMPLIFY THAT STYLE. UH, STAFF NOTED WITHIN THE REPORT SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTED FEATURES, INCLUDING THE EST TILE ROOF, THE, UH, USE OF, UM, FAUX FINIALS, FAUX CHIMNEYS, THE RECESSES AND REVEALS IN THE DOORS AND WINDOWS, AS WELL AS JUST THE SPANISH STYLE DOORS AND, AND LIGHT FIXTURES. UH, A MORE DETAILED LIST IS INCLUDED IN THE STAFF REPORT. HERE IS A TYPICAL FLOOR PLAN FOR THE, FOR A SIXPLEX BUILDING. IT INCLUDES BOTH, UM, UM, THE FLOOR PLAN LAYOUT OF THE HABITABLE SPACE AREA AS WELL AS THE GARAGE AREAS. UM, TANDEM PARKING UNDER STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW IS PERMITTED. UM, ALTHOUGH THIS IS NOT TYPICALLY SOMETHING WE IDENTIFY AS PERMITTED WITHIN THE LA HABA MUNICIPAL CODE, [02:10:03] THE APPLICANT DID PROVIDE A A FEW RENDERINGS WHICH DEPICT DEPICT THE LOOK AND APPEARANCE OF THE SIXPLEX BUILDING AS VIEWED FROM THE STREET. AGAIN, UM, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING A NUMBER OF FEATURES THAT HELP BREAK UP THE MASS AND PROVIDE SOME VISUAL INTEREST ALONG THE STREET FACING ELEVATION BREAKS BETWEEN THE, UM, BREAKS AND RELIEF BY ADDING AND INCORPORATING DECKS AND BALCONIES. AND THEY HAVE SOME OTHER DETAILED FEATURES LIKE THE INSET GRILLS AND THE, UM, UH, USE OF DECORATIVE WROUGHT IRON KNOTTED RAILING TO HELP ENHANCE THAT SPANISH ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICANT ALSO PROVIDED, UM, CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN. I'D LIKE TO NOTE A FEW THINGS REGARDING THE BUILDINGS. WE DID CONSIDER BOTH PRIVATE, USABLE OPEN SPACE THROUGH THE INCORPORATION OF DECKS AND PATIOS, AS WELL AS COMMON USABLE OPEN SPACE, WHICH WOULD BE SHARED AMONGST THE FUTURE RESIDENTS. THE BUILDINGS IDENTIFIED, UM, AS BUILDINGS TWO B, TWO A AND AND THREE A, I BELIEVE HAVE BOTH THE BALCONIES, UM, AS WELL AS THE PRIVATE ENCLOSED PATIO AREAS. UM, UH, AS PART OF THEIR UNIT LAYOUT IN ORDER TO, UM, PROVIDE COMMON OPEN SPACE, THEY DO PROVIDE TWO LANDSCAPED AREAS ALONG THE, UM, WESTERLY PROPERTY LINE, ADJOINING THE FUTURE PARCEL SITE, AND ALONG THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. UM, THERE'S A, A WALKING PATH AND SITTING AREA ALONG THE EAST SIDE. AND THEN THE, UM, BUILDING THREE, THREE, UM, A WILL HAVE, UM, PRIVATE, UH, PATIO AREAS, UM, FOR, FOR EACH OF THEIR INDIVIDUALIZED UNITS. HERE'S A TOTAL BREAKDOWN OF THE, UM, PROPOSED OPEN SPACE, UH, WHICH MEETS THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT. THEY'RE PROVIDING 7,375 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL. THAT CONCLUDES THE STAFF REPORT. STAFF IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, SONYA. DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER MACHA OR COMMISSIONER ROJAS? COMMISSIONER I, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST WANNA WORK ON SOME MATH AND IT'S KIND OF LATE, SO I GET IT. I, WE'RE A LITTLE, WE'RE A LITTLE SLEEPY AND I KNOW I'M NOT VERY SMART WHEN IT GETS TOO LATE. SO THE CALCULATION OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WOULD BE 22 TIMES 0.15, RIGHT 15%. RIGHT? THAT WOULD BE GENERALLY WHAT IT WOULD BE. AND THEN YOU WOULD, THEN YOU'RE DETERMINING THE IN LIEU FEE BY TAKING 5%, RIGHT? SAYING 5% IS THE IN LIE FEE, USING THAT NUMBER TO, UM, OH MY GOODNESS, TO, UM, COME UP WITH THE IN LIEU FEE RATHER THAN HAVING ANOTHER UNIT. THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE. IT'S SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE THREE RIGHT, INSTEAD OF TWO, BUT IS THAT AN ACCURATE NUMBER AND IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO COME UP WITH HOW MUCH THE IN LIEU FEE SHOULD BE? IS 5% REALLY ANOTHER UNIT? SO TONIGHT WE HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS FROM CITY VENTURES. THIS FIRST ONE IS INVOLVES THREE SIXPLEX BUILDINGS, WHICH TOTAL 18 UNITS. OKAY. SO I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG ONE. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. THERE YOU GO. BUT THAT 10% CALCULATION WOULD BE 1.8 UNITS WE WOULD ROUND UP. SO THEY'RE PROVIDING TWO UNITS ON SITE, AND THEN THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE 15% TOTAL, WE TAKE 15% [02:15:01] OFF OF 18. AND THEN THAT'S WHY THEY'RE PROVIDING ONE ADDITIONAL UNIT BEING PAID FOR UNDER IN LIEU FEES. THE INCLUSIONARY ORDINANCE SPECIFIES THAT THE FEE WOULD BE CALCULATED BASED ON $6 AND 50 CENTS PER TO SQUARE FOOT FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT AREA. AND WE WOULD HAVE THAT DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEE CALCULATED BY, UM, MORE THAN LIKELY OUR BUILDING STAFF TO BE CONSISTENT AND MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE INCLUSIONARY ORDINANCE. OKAY. KIND OF ALONG THE LINES, THAT $6 AND 50 CENTS PER SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE FLOOR AREA, UM, I KNOW THAT'S PART OF OUR INCLUSIONARY, UM, ORDINANCE. UM, IS THAT IN LIKE IN PAR WITH OTHERS? YOU KNOW, I ASKED THAT VERY QUESTION TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT HOUSING DEVELOPERS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE RANGE. UM, BUT I'LL, I'LL BE UPFRONT WITH THE COMMISSION. I WAS NOT HERE AT THE TIME THAT THE INCLU CITY ADOPTED THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE RANGE. YEAH. I MAY JUST SIDE NOTE, MAYBE ENCOURAGE, I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE STAFF CAN LOOK INTO MAYBE INCREASING THAT, CONSIDERING INFLATION AND ALL OF THAT GOOD STUFF MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE TO JUST A LITTLE SIDE PROJECT, NOT THAT YOU NEED ANYMORE. UM, TO MAYBE LOOK INTO THAT A LITTLE FURTHER, BUT I'M SORRY, OBVIOUSLY NOT RELATED TO THIS 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T IMPACT THIS. IT IS WHAT IT IS FOR THIS. BUT JUST AS A SIDE NOTE FOR FUTURE COMMISSIONER ROJAS, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO LOOK INTO DURING YOUR COMMISSION COMMENTS, YOU CAN, IF TWO OF ME, TWO OR MORE OF YOU AGREE ON IT, YOU CAN DIRECT STAFF TO DO THAT. WILL DO. THANK YOU. TO CLARIFY, THE BUILDINGS, THE BUILDING FACING WHITTIER, THERE'S TWO OF THE, PART OF THE CONDOMS THERE THAT HAVE BALCONY ONLY TWO OF THEM, OR HOW MANY? I THINK THIS SITE PLAN, BECAUSE IT'S COLOR CODED, YOU'LL NOTICE THERE'S A, A LIGHTER BLUE END UNIT. IT'S, UH, UNITS SIX, EIGHT, AND 13 ON THE SITE PLAN. UM, I'M SORRY, 5, 5, 8, AND 13, WHICH DON'T HAVE, UM, THE PRIVATE, UM, OUTDOOR BACK AREA BECAUSE IT, THIS PARTICULAR LAYOUT, YOU HAVE A UNIT BEHIND ANOTHER UNIT IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT SIXPLEX BUILDING. GOT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, SONYA. AT THIS TIME, WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM ANYBODY THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO DO SO, PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW. TELL US YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME, AND IF YOU COULD SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY NAME IS KIM PEREL, P-R-I-J-A-T-E-L, AND I AM, UH, WITH CITI VENTURES. SO, UM, I HAD A PRESENTATION, BUT THEY INDICATED IT WOULD BE BEST JUST TO INTRODUCE MYSELF AND, UH, THE DESIGN TEAM IS HERE WITH ME AND WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE BACKGROUND. UM, JUST WANTED TO ACTUALLY STATE MY APPRECIATION FOR STAFF AND HOW HARD I KNOW THEY'VE WORKED TO GET THIS ITEM HERE. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SINCE 2022, SO IT'S BEEN FOR CITI VENTURES SEVERAL YEARS. UM, THE BROKER REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS, UH, IS ALSO HERE TONIGHT. AND THEY'VE BEEN EXTREMELY PATIENT. UM, BUT STAFF HAS WORKED SO HARD, UH, TO HELP US GET HERE AND WE REALLY, REALLY TRULY APPRECIATE, UM, EVERYTHING THEY'VE DONE. AND, UM, EVERYBODY ON THE STAFF, MICHAEL, EVERYBODY, UH, WE'VE, WE'VE GONE THROUGH MANY RENDITIONS OF THE SITE PLAN. WE, UH, STARTING IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO, IT DEFINITELY, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS HAD MANY ITERATIONS AND, AND WE'VE KIND OF WORKED THROUGH A LOT OF ISSUES. AND I FEEL LIKE WHAT WE HAVE COME UP WITH IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO BUILD IN THE CITY OF LAHABRA. AND AS YOU KNOW, OR PROBABLY KNOW, CITY VENTURES IS NOT NEW TO LAHABRA. UM, WE ACTUALLY BUILT A PROJECT RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE FROM CITY HALL A COUPLE YEARS BACK, AND, UH, I DID A PROJECT HERE IN 2004 , SO WORKING FOR A DIFFERENT COMPANY. SO I, I DEFINITELY LOVE WORKING IN LAHABRA. I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BE BACK. UM, SO WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND, UM, [02:20:02] THANK YOU. PERFECT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO HEARING FROM ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. GOOD EVENING. I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION WHATSOEVER. I'M JUST HERE TO GIVE A LITTLE INFORMATION. I'M GLAD TO SEE, UH, I'M SORRY. MICHELLE BURNER. B-E-R-N-I-E-R, UM, THAT YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THAT, UH, ISSUE CAME UP DURING A BIG PROJECT OFF OF BEACH AND, UH, IN IMPERIAL FOR THE BIG PROJECT. AND, UM, AT THAT TIME, AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS SET AT A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER UNIT. SO WE HAD THE CONVERSATION IN THE GENERAL PLAN AND WE UPPED IT TO 59,000. IT WAS GONNA BE ABOUT 69,000. BUT, UM, MY, MY FIR MY ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR STAFF, IF YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT, I ASK, UM, HOW MUCH IS THE INCOME LEVEL FOR MODERATE, UH, INCOME CHAIR? IF YOU'D LIKE US TO ANSWER THAT, YOU'D HAVE TO DIRECT STAFF. YEAH, GO AHEAD. SO WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT, WE INCLUDED AN INCOME LEVEL TABLE. IF YOU GO TO, UM, EXHIBIT TWO, THE MODERATE LEVEL INCOME FOR ONE PERSON, IT RANGES $107,350 UP TO AN EIGHT PERSON OUT HOUSEHOLD, WHICH GOES UP TO, UH, $202,400. AND THAT'S FOR ORANGE COUNTY AREA WIDE. AND DOES THE COMMISSION KNOW IF WE'VE WORKED UNDER MODERATE HOUSING, WE'VE DONE ANYTHING UNDER MODERATE MS MS VENEER? I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A BACK AND FORTH DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. SO, UM, MY ONLY OPPOSITION IS THAT IT'S BEING VERY CREATIVE ABOUT INCLUDING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE 5% IS REALLY INTERESTING IN THE LAST PROJECT WAS REALLY INTERESTING, UM, AND CREATIVE ABOUT NOT HAVING TO INCLUDE IT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO BRING UP. AND THE MODERATE, WE NEED TO INCLUDE HOUSING THAT'S NOT JUST FOR MODERATE, IF WE'RE GONNA HIT OUR RUN ARENA NUMBERS AND IF WE'RE GONNA ABIDE BY STATE STANDARDS. SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING WE LOOK AT A, A LEVEL UNDER MODERATE HOUSING FOR FUTURE PROJECTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MRS. BARNIER. ANYBODY ELSE IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? OKAY. SEEING NONE, I WOULD INVITE THE APPLICANT IF THEY'D LIKE TO SPEAK, UM, AGAIN AND PROVIDE ANY SORT OF REBUTTAL FOR US. UH, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, UM, PARTICULARLY I WOULD SAY IN ORANGE COUNTY, BUT IN ANY COUNTY TO DO FOR SALE HOUSING AT THE LOWER INCOME LEVELS, THAT'S TYPICALLY YOU'RE GONNA SEE YOUR LOWS AND VERY LOWS AND MORE RENTAL. UM, SO FOR, FOR SALE, UH, WE TYPICALLY DO AT THE MODERATE INCOME LEVEL. UH, AND THAT'S THE REQUIREMENT, UH, HERE IN LAHABRA. SO JUST THAT'S, THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY MOTIONS. COMMISSIONER MACHA, WHY DON'T YOU GET US STARTED? I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ACTUAL NUMBERS MEAN, THE VARIOUS, WHAT IT MEANS BY SAYING AN INCOME LIMIT. SO IF WE, WHAT THAT MEANS IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, RIGHT? SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN WE'RE APPLYING VARIOUS INCOME LIMITS APPLICABLE TO, YOU KNOW, TO THIS PROJECT? ARE YOU ASKING WHEN DOES A PROJECT, UM, ARE THEY SUBJECT TO DENSITY BONUS WITH THE INCLUSIONARY ORDINANCE? I'M, I'M NOT SURE I QUITE UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION. I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, WHAT PEOPLE WOULD WANNA KNOW IS, DOES THIS MEAN THAT WHAT MAKES IT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS, MAN, IT'S LATE AT NIGHT AND I'M TIRED. I I THINK I'VE GOT THE ANSWER TO YOU. OKAY. WHAT MAKES THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS TWO OF THE UNITS ARE FOR MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS AND THEY'LL BE SET TO THOSE LIMITS. THEY'LL ENTERED IN AN AFFORDABILITY AGREEMENT, WHICH IS UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AS WELL AS PLAY PAY, THE IN LIE FEE, AGAIN, THAT'S UNDER THE, UM, PURVIEW OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AND, UM, BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE, UH, UNDER STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW OF ONE WAIVER, I'M SORRY, ONE CONCESSION [02:25:01] AND AS MANY WAIVERS AS MAKE THE PROJECT DEEMED AFFORDABLE. I MEAN IT A BIT, THEIR ABILITY TO BUILD THIS PROJECT. I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA PARSE IT OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE, IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING. THAT PEOPLE WHO MAKE THIS MUCH PER YEAR, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? THAT IT'S 100, YOU KNOW, 107,350, RIGHT? CORRECT. IS THAT WHAT THEIR INCOME LEVEL WOULD BE FOR THEM TO QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? YES. IN THIS PROJECT AT THE MODERATE INCOME LEVEL? THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET OUT. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I DO HAVE A QUESTION, UM, REGARDING THE DISTANCE FROM THE BUILDING TO THE POWER LINE. UM, I BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT IT WAS 18 FEET. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 16 FEET, EIGHT INCHES. AM I READING THAT RIGHT? YEAH. YES. ON YOUR SCREEN, MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. IS THAT USUALLY COMMON? UM, AND WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THERE WAS, UH, SOMETHING THAT WOULD PUSH ON THE POWER LINE? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT POWER LINE IS, SINCE IT'S ON THE MAIN STREET, IS ONE OF THE HIGH VOLTAGE, UM, HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINE. SO THERE'S POWER LINES ON WHITTIER AS WELL AS THERE'S POWER LINES AT THE BACK OF THE PROJECT ADJACENT TO OTHER RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. AND WHEN YOU HAVE POWER LINES LIKE THAT, THE, UM, WELL WE WERE UNDER THE LA COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY SET CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR PROJECTS. IN THIS ONE. I BELIEVE THERE'S A FIRE FIREWALL THAT'S REQUIRED, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, HOW THE CLOSE, HOW CLOSE IT IS. MM-HMM. , IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I CAN CLARIFY THERE? NO, I THINK MY BIGGEST CONCERN WOULD BE THERE IS BALCONIES THERE AND, UM, 18 FEET. IS THAT USUALLY TYPICAL? OR 16? SORRY. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU COULD SAY IT'S TYPICAL OR NOT, BUT IT'S PERMITTED. GOT IT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? UH, DISCUSSION, COMMENTS OR, UH, ANY MOTIONS? MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU TAKE A MOTION, CAN I PROVIDE A CLARIFICATION? YES, PLEASE. UH, THE COMMISSION WAS PROVIDED REVISED COPIES OF THE RESOLUTION, BOTH RESOLUTIONS FOR THIS PROJECT AND THE NEXT PROJECT. SO YOU SHOULD HAVE A RED LINE VERSION AND A CLEAN VERSION. SO IN THE EVENT THE COMMISSION MOVES FORWARD, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU ADOPT THE REVISED RESOLUTION AS HAS BEEN PROVIDED TONIGHT. THANK YOU. PERFECT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. I'M, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REVISED RESOLUTION. GO AHEAD. I'M TRYING TO FIND MY SCRIPT HERE. , THAT'S I WAS TRYING TO DO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REVISED RESOLUTION. LET ME GET MY GLASSES BACK ON OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, CALIFORNIA. MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP. MAKE SURE I GET THIS ONE RIGHT BECAUSE I GOT IT RIGHT WRONG EARLIER. 2301, NO, YES, YES, YES. 2301 TO ALLOW A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION FOR CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES AND DESIGN REVIEW 2303 TO CONSTRUCT 18 TOWN HALL UNITS, INCLUDING TWO UNITS FOR SALE, TWO MODERATE INCOME LEVEL HOUSEHOLDS ON THE PROPERTY, CURRENTLY ADDRESSED AS ONE 20 EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD. AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 3 2, CLASS 32 INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OF THE CQA GUIDELINES. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT. MOTION MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MACHA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROJAS. EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES. MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO AND THIS WILL BECOME FINAL AND 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL. THANK YOU. THE FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ITEM FOR THIS EVENING IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR TENTATIVE TRACK MAP 23 DASH ZERO TWO TO ALLOW A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION FOR CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES AND DESIGN REVIEW. 23 DASH ZERO FOUR TO CONSTRUCT 22 TOWN HOME UNITS, INCLUDING THREE UNITS FOR SALE UNITS TO MODERATE INCOME LEVEL HOUSEHOLDS ON THE PROPERTIES CURRENTLY ADDRESSED AT THREE TEN TWO THREE THIRTY [02:30:01] EAST WOODIER BOULEVARD. DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT. AND CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES. AGAIN, THIS APPLICATION COMES TO YOU FROM CITY VENTURES. IT IS ACTUALLY VERY SIMILAR TO THE, UH, LAST PROJECT, UH, YOU JUST VOTED ON. I WILL START THIS PRESENTATION SIMILARLY, UM, TO HOW THE PREVIOUS ITEM WAS PRESENTED. THE PROJECT SITE OUTLINED IN RED IS LOCATED AT THE, UH, SOUTHEAST CORNER OF EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND NORTH ORANGE STREET. THIS IS THE PROPERTY, UM, THAT'S CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY THE MAGNOLIA VINTAGE HOME AND GIFT STORE AND THE CHICKEN BOX ROASTED CHICKEN RESTAURANT. THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING TWO ENTITLEMENTS. ONE IS FOR TENTATIVE TRACK MAP 2302, WHICH IS ALSO REFERENCED AS TENTATIVE TRACK MAP 1 9 2 8 0. AGAIN, THEY'RE REQUESTING RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION FOR CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES ONLY. THE DESIGN REVIEW 2304 IS A REQUEST FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 22 TOWNHOME UNITS. THE APPLICANT, AGAIN SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY PLAN UNDER SENATE BILL THREE 30, AND THAT'S FORWARDED THEM TO LOCK IN THE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND FEES AT THE TIME THAT PRELIMINARY APPLICATION WAS RECEIVED AND DEEMED COMPLETE. AGAIN, THE CITY'S OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS AND MIXED USE OVERLAY STANDARDS DO NOT APPLY TO THE PROJECT BECAUSE THOSE WERE JUST RECENTLY, UM, ADOPTED BY THE CITY THIS LATE IN TWO 2023. IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO BILL THREE FOR SALE UNITS, UH, ON SITE. AGAIN, THIS ALLOWS THEM TO BENEFIT UNDER STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW TO REQUEST A CONCESSION AND OR WAIVER IN ORDER TO MEET THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REQUIREMENT, WHICH REQUIRES 15% OF THE TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS FOR AFFORDABLE TO MODERATE LEVEL INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, THEY'RE PROPOSING TO PAY IN LIE FEES FOR ONE ADDITIONAL UNIT. THIS 5% PLUS THE 10% WILL, UM, ENABLE THEM TO MEET THE 15% REQUIRED. AS NOTED, UM, AFFORDABLE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENTS GET SOLIDIFIED IN AN AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENT. IT IDENTIFIES IN DETAIL THE PARAMETERS OF THE AFFORDABILITY. AND AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, THE AGREEMENT IS SUBJECT TO CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN LAYOUT IN THIS PROJECT ALSO INVOLVES AN EIGHT PLEX AS WELL AS SIXPLEX BUILDING DESIGNS. THERE ARE TWO FLOOR PLAN STYLES. UM, YOU CAN SEE HOW THEY ALTERNATE AS THE APPLICANT SHADED EACH FLOOR PLAN DESIGN USING PINK AND PURPLE TO REPRESENT, UM, THE FLOOR PLAN DESIGNS. ACCESS TO THE SITE IS PRIMARILY ON NORTH ORANGE STREET. THE DRIVEWAY ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD IS PROPOSED TO BE CLOSED. HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT HAS DESIGNED THE BUILDINGS IN A WAY WHICH ALLOWS SUFFICIENT ROOM FOR FIRETRUCK MANEUVERING. SO THE LANE IS WIDE ENOUGH FOR A TRUCK TO TURN AROUND UNDER STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW, THERE ARE RELAXED PARKING STANDARDS. IN THIS CASE, A TOTAL OF 44 PARKING SPACES IS REQUIRED AT A MINIMUM. THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING THOUGH, TO PROVIDE, TO EXCEED THAT AMOUNT AND PROVIDE 53 PARKING SPACES. AGAIN, THEY'RE PROVIDING TWO A DA PARKING SPACES AS WELL AS, UH, TWO ADDITIONAL GUEST PARKING SPACES. I WASN'T [02:35:01] GONNA PRESENT ALL OF THE, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S, IT IS THE SAME BUILDING DESIGN PRESENTED AT THE, UH, THE SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ITEM THAT WE SHARED WITH THE COMMISSION. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE SIX PLEX AND EIGHT PLEX, AND I THOUGHT IT'D BE MORE USEFUL TO HIGHLIGHT, UM, WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE IN RENDERING. MM-HMM, . SO THIS IS, UH, A RENDERING OF THE EIGHT PLEX UNIT, AND THIS ONE FOR THE SIX PLEX. AGAIN, MANY OF THE SAME DIVINE FEATURES THAT EXEMPLIFY THE SPANISH ARCHITECTURAL STYLE. WHILE IT DOES NOT, UM, WAS NOT CHECKED TO COMPLY WITH THE OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, THE APPLICANTS ADDED A NUMBER OF FEATURES THAT REALLY ENHANCE THE, UM, THE STREET FACING ELEVATIONS AND PROVIDE SOME VISUAL INTEREST AND RELIEF. UM, AND THERE ARE SOME, UM, FINER FEATURES AND DETAILS THAT HELP CREATE A MORE HIGHER QUALITY, UH, EXTERIOR APPEARANCE. THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES A PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN. AGAIN, THIS INCLUDES BOTH PRIVATE OPEN SPACE PROVIDED IN THE FORM OF PRIVATE DECKS AND BALCONIES, AS WELL AS ENCLOSED PATIO AREAS. AND THEN COMMON OPEN SPACE WOULD INCLUDE PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS. THAT INCLUDES SITTING AREAS. THIS IS THE BREAKDOWN AS FAR AS THIS AMOUNT OF AREA, UH, THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDING A TOTAL OF 7,025 SQUARE FEET, WHICH MEETS THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS. THIS CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT. UH, STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SONYA. DOES ANY OF THE COMMISSION HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF AT THIS TIME? I JUST, OH, GO AHEAD. I APOLOGIZE. I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THE COMMISSION WAS GIVEN A REVISED RESOLUTION AS WELL. IT INCLUDES SOME CLEANUP ITEMS RECOMMENDED BY THE, UH, CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE JUST FOR CLARITY AND CONSISTENCY WITH THE INFORMATION AND THE STAFF REPORT. WE, WE DID RECEIVE THAT. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER ROJAS? YEAH, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE. UM, SO EVERYBODY IN THAT PROPERTY WOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THAT BOWLING ALLEY TYPE OF SPACE IN THE BACK THAT I'M SEEING IN THE EXHIBIT THREE IN THE STAFF REPORT. IS THAT ACCESSIBLE TO EVERYBODY? OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. MARIE, YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH. ANY, UM, PERFECT. SO AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT'S HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. . WELCOME BACK. WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT ANYONE HAS KEN PR TELL WITH CITY VENTURES. PERFECT. THANK YOU, MS. PRIAL. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT? OKAY. WE'LL MOVE TO ANYONE THAT'S HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW. THANK YOU, SIR. IF YOU COULD JUST STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD. SURE. IT'S, UH, CHRIS GIBSON, G-I-B-S-O-N. THANK YOU, MR. GIBSON. UM, SO FIRST OFF, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CAREFUL CONSIDERATION OF HOW OUR CITY LOOKS GOING FORWARD. UM, I BOUGHT MY HOUSE ON BIRCH WAY IN 2021. I LIVED THERE WITH MY, MY WIFE AND MY ONE, EXCUSE ME, MY 1-YEAR-OLD. AND WE LOVE, WE LOVE LIVING IN LA HABRA. UM, MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS PROJECT IS HOW IT WILL MIGHT CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, I THINK ABOUT, I GO IN MY BACKYARD, I LOOK OUT AND I SEE THE HILLS OF, UH, LA HABRA HEIGHTS, AND I'D RATHER SEE THAT THAN A THREE STORY CONDOMINIUM. AND WE ALSO REGULARLY GO TO THE, THAT VINTAGE STORE THERE THAT, UM, IT'S KIND OF WEIRD AND QUIRKY. IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT FALL OVER SOMETIME SOON, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE CHARM, I THINK. UM, SO I KNOW THAT VINTAGE STORE IS PROBABLY NOT GONNA LAST FOREVER, BUT IT DOES ADD SOMETHING TO THE, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SOMETHING THAT I THINK, UM, CONDOMINIUMS WON'T REPLACE, ALTHOUGH [02:40:01] I DO RECOGNIZE WE NEED HOUSING, SO IT'S KIND OF ATTENTION THERE. UM, AND, UM, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT HOW, UM, THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WORKED IF LETTERS WERE SENT OUT TO RENTERS. UM, 'CAUSE EVERYTHING I RECEIVED ADDRESSED ME AS THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE, BUT NONE OF MY, MY, MY NEIGHBORS ARE REALLY HERE. UM, SO I WAS WONDERING IF THEY GOT NOTICES AS WELL. AND, UH, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, THE, THE A NOTICE I RECEIVED LAST YEAR, UH, INVITED THE COMMUNITY TO MEET WITH CITY VENTURES. I WAS UNABLE TO MAKE IT, BUT I FOLLOWED THE DIRECTIONS IN THAT LETTER AND I EMAILED THE, THE CONTACT, WHICH I RECOGNIZE THE NAME. HI KIM. UM, I SENT, UM, KIM AL UH, AN EMAIL IN DECEMBER 1ST, 2023, AND NEVER RECEIVED A RESPONSE. SO I WAS KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THAT LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT WITH, WITH RESIDENTS. PERFECT. SO TYPICALLY PUBLIC HEARING ISN'T THE TIME FOR BACK AND FORTH, BUT I THINK WE CAN ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AS YOU STICK AROUND LATER TONIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. GIBSON. ANYBODY ELSE HERE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT? THANK YOU, SIR. MY NAME'S ANTHONY PANTOJA. I LIVE ON SEVEN 40 NORTH HORN STREET. UH, MY BACKYARD IS, IT'S, I GUESS THEIR FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS GONNA BE FACING MY BACKYARD AND KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THE WALL, OUR PRIVACY, AND ALSO WHERE THE TRASH BIN'S GONNA BE. 'CAUSE WE KIND OF HAVE RATS AND MICE RUNNING AROUND THAT FROM THE RESTAURANTS AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO KIND OF CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IF WE HAVE ANY PRIVACY. AND THEN ALSO ON ONE SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, THE WALL IS SHORTER THAN THE OTHERS ON THEIR SIDE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE TAPER OUT TO BE, YOU KNOW. SO COULD YOU, COULD YOU JUST REMIND I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND, OH, SORRY. WHERE, WHERE YOUR RESIDENCE IS? UH, SEVEN 40. MY, I LIKE RIGHT UP AGAINST MY BACKYARD. UM, IS IT MAIN STREET? UH, ORANGE STREET. ORANGE STREET, YES. NORTH ORANGE STREET. WE ALL HAVE A MAP IN FRONT OF US. THAT'S WHY IF YOU SEE US LOOKING DOWN, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, IT'S LIKE A, I GUESS IT'S MY BACKYARD, THE SIDE OF MY HOUSE, RIGHT BEFORE WHITTIER BOULEVARD NEXT TO THE MAGNOLIA STORE. THAT'S MY HOUSE. IT'S SEVEN 40 BEHIND IT. YES. PERFECT. YES. SO WE HAVE A BIG LOT THERE THAT'S ABOUT A QUARTER ACRE AND WE ENJOY OUR PRIVACY AND, YOU KNOW, JUST CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVACY AND WHAT IF THEY'RE GONNA PUT A NEW WALL OR TREES OR SOME KIND OF BARRIER THERE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. IT, I DON'T WANNA CUT YOU OFF. YEAH. IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, THAT'S, THAT'S IT. JUST THE TRASH AND THE WALL PRIVACY AND STUFF. THANK YOU MR. PANTOJA. APPRECIATE IT. I JUST WANNA MAKE A, A NOTE HERE THAT I THINK OUR MAP IS SHOWING, UNLESS YOU GUYS CAN FIND IT. COMMISSIONERS WHAT I THINK IS ORANGE STREET AS AS MAIN STREET RIGHT THERE? YES. OKAY. SO MAYBE AT ONE POINT THAT WAS NORTH MAIN STREET. IT LOOKS LIKE IT RUNS NORTH AND SOUTH, UH, JUST NORTH OF PINEHURST. YES. YES. OKAY. CORRECT. SO YOU, YOU IDENTIFIED THAT AS AS ORANGE STREET? CORRECT. OKAY. LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY. ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT? MY NAME'S IRMA PANTOJA. I LIVE AT SEVEN 40 NORTH ORANGE STREET AS WELL. LAST NAME IS SPELLED P-A-N-T-O-J-A. THANK YOU. UM, I HAVE A FEW CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION. UM, I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE INCREASED CARS, PARKING IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOW WHERE IT'S NICE AND CLEAN AND, YOU KNOW, NEAT LOOKING. IT'S NOT AN EYESORE LIKE MONTE VISTA OR WALNUT STREET WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CARS PARKING ON THE STREET. AND I'M CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE COMING BREAKING INTO THE CARS NOW BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE MORE CARS THERE. NOW. OUR CARS ARE GONNA BE A TARGET AS WELL. UM, ALSO CONSTRUCTION. I WORK FROM HOME. I'M, I HAVE TO DEAL WITH MEETINGS AT HOME AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE NOISE CON WITH THE CONSTRUCTION. UM, ALSO WITH WORKING FROM HOME, I DON'T HAVE CENTRAL AIR. I HAVE TO HAVE WINDOWS OPEN, SO TO GET SOME AIR INTO THE HOUSE. SO THAT'S ALSO GONNA BRING SOME MORE NOISE INTO THE HOME. UM, WORRIED ABOUT DECREASED VALUE. NOBODY WANTS TO LIVE NEXT TO THESE TOWN HOMES. SO NOW I FEEL LIKE OUR PROPERTY'S GONNA, UM, LOWER, UH, THE VALUE IS GONNA LOWER ON THAT. AND, UM, WHAT ELSE? UM, SAD TO SEE THAT CHICKEN BOX IS GONNA GO, THAT'S BEEN PART OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR MANY, MANY, MANY YEARS. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS HOME FOR 15 YEARS. WE'RE COMFORTABLE THERE AND WE DON'T WANNA SEE THESE UNITS COME TO BE HONEST. THANK YOU. [02:45:01] THANK YOU, MS. PANTOJA. I DID FIND A ORANGE STREET RIGHT THERE. IT'S JUST TRICKY, LIKE WHERE IT IS ON OUR MAP, IT, IT, IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED RIGHT THERE IN THAT LITTLE SLIVER. SO IT WAS HARD TO FIND, BUT IT'S RIGHT BETWEEN BIRCH AND AND MAIN STREET. UM, SO I, WE FOUND YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S HERE TONIGHT THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OKAY. SCENE NONE. WE WILL, UM, INVITE THE APPLICANT TO COME BACK UP IF THEY WANTED TO OFFER ANY TYPE OF REBUTTAL. YEAH. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE GENTLEMAN ABOUT NOT RESPONDING TO AN EMAIL. I WOULD NEVER, EVER DO THAT. AND I HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING BECAUSE I WANT TO MEET THE NEIGHBORS AND I WANNA GET ANY CONCERNS. I KNOW THERE WAS ONE PERSON WHO ALSO WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT, BUT THEY REACHED OUT TO THE CITY AND THEN THE CITY CONTACTED ME FOR INFORMATION. UM, I HONESTLY DIDN'T RECEIVE AN EMAIL AND I FEEL TERRIBLE THAT YOU THINK I DIDN'T RESPOND. 'CAUSE I, I WOULD NEVER DO THAT. I PROBABLY SHOW YOU MY SENT MESSAGE. NO, I BELIEVE YOU. NO, NO, WE'RE GOOD. NO, I'M JUST KEEP IT THIS WAY. YOU'RE OKAY. YEAH, NO, I'M, I'M JUST APOLOGIZING THAT I DIDN'T SEE IT AND I WOULD NEVER NOT RESPOND TO YOU. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO SEND IT AGAIN AND, AND IT, UM, SO JUST TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO TRASH, IT IS, UM, PROPOSED TO BE INDIVIDUAL PICKUP SO IT WON'T BE A TRASH ENCLOSURE. UM, AND WE HAVE A TRASH PICKUP PLAN AS PART OF THE ENTITLEMENT PACKAGE THAT SHOWS WHERE THE TRASH INDIVIDUAL BINS FOR EACH HOMEOWNER WOULD BE PLACED ON TRASH DAY SO THAT IT DOESN'T CREATE CHAOS. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHERE THEIR BINS GO. UM, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN PUT UM, SOMETHING UP THAT WE CAN SEE? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT I, I WAS ASKED AND I'D LIKE TO KIND SEE ON THE SITE PLAN IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THAT IS. EXHIBIT THREE I THINK SHOWS, WELL HERE, PRISON TWO ON THE SITE PLAN, IT WOULD BE, THERE'S LITTLE LIKE BOXES THAT REPRESENT WHERE THE BINS GO. SO AS WE LOOK AT THIS, OKAY, WOODIER BOULEVARD TO THE NORTH, ORANGE TO THE LEFT. I'M SORRY, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE, THE TRASH BIN LOCATION OR, WELL, AND, AND IT WAS INDIVIDUAL PICKUP. SO THE FLOOR PLAN MAY SHOW THAT. WELL, NO, THE, NOT THE LOCATION WITHIN THE UNIT. I THINK HE MEANS ON TRASH DAY. OH, TRASH. WE HAVE THAT EXHIBIT IN OUR PACKET THAT ACTUALLY SHOWS, I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT HERE WITH ME, BUT IT IS IN THE PACKET AND IT SHOWS LITTLE, UH, BOXES ON THE SITE PLAN THAT INDICATE WHERE THE BINS WOULD BE PLACED. DO WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF GRAPHIC FOR A SITE PLAN THAT WOULD SHOW AND MAYBE NOT SHOW IT, BUT WE COULD DESCRIBE AS WE LOOK AT IT, WHERE THAT WOULD BE? YEAH, DO YOU HAVE THE FULL PACKET WITH THE, THE EXHIBIT PULL UP IN THE BACK? OH, OKAY. SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD GRAPHIC FOR US TO, TO POINT US TOWARD THAT. YEAH, THE ARCHITECT IS COMING UP. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS ANTHONY CORBIN. C-O-R-B-I-N. UM, SO ON STATE, ON TRASH DAY, THE TRASH BINS WOULD BE STAGED ALONG THE DRY VILE. SO UPON CLOSER TO THE ENTRYWAY, WE'LL HAVE SOME BINS OVER THERE. BUT, UM, PER THE TRASH COMPANY, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO DOWN THE, UM, THE MAIN SPINE. SO THE MAIN ENTRY LOOP OR SPINE ROAD IS WHERE YOU WOULD STAGE 'EM. UM, SOME OF THEM WILL BE STAGED IN FRONT OF THE GARAGES AS WELL, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID GOING DOWN THE DEAD END AISLE IS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID STAGING THE BINS. SO MAYBE IF YOU COULD USE THOSE BUILDINGS AS LIKE IDENTIFIERS TO, TO HELP US GET A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT MORE PRECISE. BASICALLY. YEAH. COMES IN AND THEY'RE ALL ALONG THE LEFT. AS YOU COME IN, THEY GO AROUND THE FRONT OF THE, OR THE GARAGE SIDE OF THE, UM, THE SIXPLEX THERE COME IN OFF OF, OFF OF ORANGE STREET ORANGE. OKAY. COME IN AND YOU CURVE AROUND TO THE LEFT. THEY'RE ALL THE WAY AROUND THAT WHOLE CURVE TO THE LEFT AND IN FRONT OF GARAGES. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? COMMISSIONERS? SO IT'S, IT WOULD BE IN FRONT, IN FRONT OF BUILDING 18 WOULD BE THE STAGING FOR ALL OF THOSE TRASH CANS? YEAH. OKAY. IT STARTS BEFORE THAT AS YOU START TO MAKE THE CURVE. GOTCHA. AND IT GOES ALL THE WAY ALONG THE BUILDING. THAT WAY THE THREE POINT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE DOWN AND BACK OUT, WHICH THEY GOT IT. BUT THERE WILL BE VERY STRICT RESTRICTIONS ON TRASH CANS IN OURS. AND THAT EXHIBIT THAT ASSIGNED WHERE THEY PUT THE TRASH AS AN EXHIBIT TO THE CSARS AND THAT, YOU KNOW, TIMEFRAME, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE CANS OUT, ASSUME TRASH. DOES ANYBODY, UM, COMMISSION HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE ARCHITECT OR MS. BRIELLE? I, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING THE WALL. UM, THAT GOES, I GUESS ON THE SOUTH END, NOT WHITTIER BOULEVARD, BUT THE SOUTH, UM, ALONG THE RE I MEAN OBVIOUSLY [02:50:01] 'CAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE THERE'S RESIDENTS WHO ARE HERE AND SO I JUST, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT WALL, THE HEIGHT, UM, MAYBE ANY OTHER TYPE OF I WAS GONNA ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. UM, SO WE, THE CITY HAS ASKED THAT WE REMOVE THE EXISTING WALL AND REPLACE WITH THE NEW WALL. WE ALWAYS ARE HESITANT TO REMOVE EXISTING WALLS IF THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. UM, BUT RATHER THAN HAVE A DOUBLE WALL CONDITION, WHICH IS NEVER THAT DESIRABLE, WE, WE, OUR PLAN AND WHAT THE CITY HAS ASKED US TO DO IS REMOVE THE EXISTING WALLS AND REPLACE WITH A SIX FOOT NEW BLOCK WALL. AND I BELIEVE IN SOME CASES THERE'S RETAINING NO, NO RETAINING. SO SIX FOOT FREE STANDING, UNLESS, IS IT ACTUALLY SONIA, IS IT SIX OR EIGHT? I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S CONDITIONED OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. THERE IS AN EXHIBIT IN THE PROJECT PLAN THAT SHOWS THE FENCE, NEW FENCES AND WALLS. IT'S, UM, JUST AFTER THE LANDSCAPE PLAN, IT'S SHOWING MAXIMUM SIX FEET HIGH. SO IT'S SIX FOOT BLOCK WALL, WHICH IS, IS THE TYPICAL. AND IS THERE REQUIRED, UH, OR CONDITIONED TREES ALONG THERE? I KNOW I SAW THAT IN THE RENDERING, BUT IS THERE GONNA BE TREES ALL ALONG THAT AS WELL? OR IS IT JUST GONNA BE THE WALL AND THEN JUST LIKE GRASS, WE'RE PROPOSING PLANT MATERIAL ALONG THE WALL. OKAY. I GUESS I'M JUST ASKING RECORDING LIKE THE HEIGHT OF THE SH OF THE SHRUBS OR THE TREES THAT ARE PLANNED TO PUT ALONG THAT. UM, JUST BECAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND I, I'M, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP BY SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OTHER RESIDENTS JUST BEING ON THE OTHER SIDE, MAYBE SOME EXTRA NOISE. SO JUST THEY'RE NOT USED TO THAT. SO I'M, I'M TRYING TO GET A VISUAL OF WHAT THIS WALL'S GONNA LOOK LIKE FOR THEM AS WELL. I MEAN, ON ONE HAND IT'S PROBABLY QUIETER THAN A COMMERCIAL USE. OKAY. UM, DEFINITELY A LOT FEWER CARS COMING IN, IN AND OUT. UM, AND YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY IN A RESIDENTIAL USE, THERE ISN'T GONNA BE NEARLY THE NOISE WHEN PEOPLE ARE IN INSIDE THEIR HOMES. UM, SO I FEEL LIKE THAT WITH A BRAND NEW WALL, THE ADDITION OF A BRAND NEW SIX FOOT WALL AND SOME LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT EDGE, UM, I THINK IT ACTUALLY WILL CREATE A, A GOOD BUFFER. OKAY. AND THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE THAT I READ IN THE STAFF REPORT, UM, MENTIONING TO ENSURE THE PRIVACY OF THE RESIDENTS ON THE OTHER END, IT WAS MENTIONING THAT WINDOWS ARE NOT FACING A CERTAIN DIRECTION OR LET ME TRY TO FIND THAT. UM, SO AT THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING GO AHEAD. PERHAPS I CAN CHIME IN PLEASE. SO ALONG THE, THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE MM-HMM. THERE REQUIRED SETBACKS FIVE FEET, BUT THE APPLICANT'S PROVIDING A DISTANCE OF 20 FEET ALONG THAT SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE, THEY'RE PROVIDING A COMMON OPEN SPACE AREA, WHICH WILL INCLUDE SITTING AREAS WHICH WILL ALSO BE ENHANCED BY LANDSCAPE TREES AND SHRUBBERY AND PLANTS. IT CREATE, CREATES THAT BUFFER. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, WHAT STAFF WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THIS LANDSCAPE BUFFERING AND THE FACT THAT THE BUILDINGS WON'T DIRECT THE BUILDING'S WINDOWS WON'T DIRECTLY FACE ANY ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND BE FOCUSED TOWARDS, DIRECTLY TOWARDS ANYONE'S PRIVATE WINDOWS. UM, WE FELT IT MET THE INTENT OF, UH, TRYING TO HELP MAINTAIN PRIVACY BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. THOSE ARE, THAT IS THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. SO THERE ARE WINDOWS OKAY. IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, JUST TO BE CLEAR. YEAH. BUT THERE, YEAH, WE HAVE A, A LARGE SETBACK LANDSCAPE AREA. WE'VE INTENTIONALLY SET THE BUILDING BACK AS FAR AS WE CAN FROM THOSE RESIDENTS. UM, THE WAY THIS SITE LAYOUT ENABLED US TO DO THAT, WHICH WE WERE REALLY HAPPY ABOUT, WE DO INFILL HOUSING, RIGHT? THAT'S ALL WE DO. AND SO WE ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO CREATE AS BIG OF A BUFFER AS WE CAN FROM OURSELVES. YOU KNOW, THE NEW USE AND THE EXISTING KNOWING, UM, THAT THERE WILL BE CONCERNS. SO WE'VE DONE THAT HERE, BUT YEAH, I WANNA BE CLEAR, THERE ARE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING. OKAY. SO YEAH, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M HEARING IS THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE SETBACK IS REQUIRED TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S EVEN A GREATER BUFFER BETWEEN THE NEW UNIT AND THE EXISTING HOUSING. AGAIN, FOR THAT PRIVACY OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AND EVEN FOR THE NEW RESIDENTS AS WELL. I MEAN, IT KIND OF GOES BOTH WAYS AT THAT POINT. UM, SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO HIGHLIGHT IS THAT THERE'S ENOUGH SPACE AND A SETBACK AND STAFF WAS JUST POINTING OUT THAT THE WINDOWS DON'T, WEREN'T DESIGNED TO DIRECTLY FACE INTO ANOTHER WINDOW AT THE PROPERTY AT THE SOUTH, BUT OKAY. YOU KNOW, WITH THE DISTANCE AND THE LANDSCAPING THAT IT'S, IT'S SLIGHTLY OFFSET. YES. I RECALL THESE COMMON THINGS COME UP WITH SOME OTHER, UM, THESE TYPE OF BUILD, UH, NEW HOUSING UNITS IN OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY. I KNOW WE'VE HAD COMMON CONCERNS WITH OTHER RESIDENTS, UM, WITH OTHER UNITS AS SUCH. SO I KNOW WE'VE LEARNED FROM THAT AND THAT'S PROBABLY WHY WE, THIS SEEMS TO BE THE MORE, UM, APPROPRIATE, UM, FOR THAT SETBACK. WHAT IF I WANTED TO BUILD, HAVING ENOUGH ROOM TO BUILD, [02:55:01] SIR, I'M SORRY, BUT WE CAN'T GO BACK AND FORTH JUST THE WAY, THE SETTING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING. UM, BUT ABSOLUTELY IF YOU STAY AFTER, WE CAN DEFINITELY TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS AND I'M SURE WE CAN THE STAFF OR ONE OF US CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. UM, OKAY. THAT, THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS ONE OF MY COMMENTS. COMMISSIONER MARTINEZ. SO IT WAS ABOUT, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND THE NOISE AND THE DUST THAT IT WOULD CREATE. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? UM, YEAH, JUST THAT WE ABSOLUTELY WILL ABIDE BY THE CITY'S CONSTRUCTION HOURS. UM, UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION AND, AND THERE ISN'T ANY WAY WE CAN'T OPERATE DURING THE WORKDAY JUST 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR CONSTRUCTION AS WELL. SO I DO KNOW THAT THAT IS PROBABLY AN INCONVENIENCE. UM, AND THEN DUST, WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF DUST MITIGATION THAT'S REQUIRED. WATER TRUCKS, UM, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. WE ALSO HAVE SIGNAGE ALL OVER THE SITE AND THEN ONSITE SUPERINTENDENT THERE DURING CONSTRUCTION WHERE ANYONE WHO'S EXPERIENCING DUST CAN ABSOLUTELY CALL COME OVER. THEY WILL BE IN TOUCH WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THEY ALWAYS ARE AND MAKING SURE YOU KNOW THAT THAT ISN'T AN ISSUE. AND IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF CONTACT INFORMATION AVAILABLE FOR THAT. UM, I JUST AM NOT SURE WITH REGARDS TO THE HOURS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD BE A, I'M NOT SURE OF THE CITY'S HOURS. NORMALLY IT'S LIKE 7:00 AM TO 5:00 PM OR SOMETHING, 6:00 PM TO, CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP ON THAT? WOULD THERE BE ANY TEMPORARY SOUND WALLS PUT UP AT LEAST TO PROTECT THE SOUND FROM THOSE IMMEDIATE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS AS PART OF THE CONSTRUCTION? SO WE DON'T REMOVE THE WALLS UNTIL WE'RE IMMEDIATELY GONNA REPLACE THEM. OKAY. SO THE WALLS THAT ARE THERE WOULD REMAIN UNTIL WE HAVE APPROVED PLANS AND PERMITS TO, AND WE WOULD PROVIDE THE NEIGHBORS PLENTY OF NOTICE TO REMOVE THOSE WALLS. AND THEN WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY START THE REPLACEMENT PROCESS, WHICH TYPICALLY TAKES ABOUT A WEEK TO GET THE WALL BACK UP. UM, IN THE MEANTIME WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION, UH, TEMP FENCING UP WITH GREEN SCREEN. OKAY. THAT DOES PROVIDE DUST HELP, HELPS WITH THE DUST AS WELL AS SOME OF THE SOUND MITIGATION. UM, BUT IT'S A PRETTY QUICK PROCESS. WE DON'T TAKE DOWN UNTIL WE HAVE THE BLOCK IN PLACE AND KNOW THAT WE CAN IMMEDIATELY START TO REBUILD IT. HOW TALL ARE THOSE GREEN FENCES THAT YOU FOR CONSTRUCTION TYPICALLY? TYPICALLY SIX FEET. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE, IN REGARDS TO THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, I KNOW THAT THAT'S COME UP TONIGHT. UM, IT SEEMED LIKE YOU BEGAN TO INDICATE THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER RESIDENT THAT YOU HAD SPOKEN WITH, MET WITH, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I CAUGHT THE END OF THAT STORY OR I DIDN'T MEET WITH THEM. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE ELSE WHO WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE THAT MEETING AND REACHED OUT TO THE PLANNER, UM, VANESSA AND SHE INDICATED TO ME THAT THEY, THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT THEY HAD REQUESTED, WHICH I FORWARDED THROUGH THE CITY AND SHE PROVIDED THAT TO THE RESIDENT. THEY DIDN'T CONTACT ME DIRECTLY, BUT I DID HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER OVER HERE. UM, AND HAD PROBABLY 10, I WOULD SAY 10, 12. UH, I HAVE A, I PROVIDED THE SIGN IN SHEET AND EVERYTHING TO THE CITY. SURE. AND IF I CAN ADD, UM, STAFF NOTICE BOTH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND IN THIS CASE, 'CAUSE THEY CONDUCTED THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH MEETING, WE ALSO IDENTIFIED ALL OCCUPANTS OF THE PROPERTIES THAT WERE ON THE MAILING LIST FOR EVERYONE WITHIN A 300 FOOT RADIUS. SO PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND, AND THOSE NOTICES ARE MAILED TO THE PROPERTY OR TO THEIR OWN PERSONAL RESIDENCE. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DID BOTH, WE WENT TO OCCUPANTS OF THE HOUSE AS WELL AS THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO IF IT WAS NOT OCCUPIED THEN WE MAILED THEM DIRECTLY WHEREVER THEY MAY BE. SO EVERYBODY WAS MADE AWARE OF IT. SO WHOEVER SHOWS UP ON THE, THE TAX ASSESSOR ROLE AS BEING THE PROPERTY OWNER, THAT SHOULD BE THE IDENTIFIER FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. AND THEN WHEN IT WAS CAME TIME TO NOTIFY FOR THE RESIDENT BECAUSE THEY DID THE ADDITIONAL COMMUNITY OUTREACH BY THEIR CHOICE, THEY PROVIDED MAILING LABELS AND WE SIMPLY IDENTIFY RESIDENT OR OCCUPANT AND THE MAILING ADDRESS OF THE, THE PROPERTY AND STANDARD PRACTICE WHEN LIKE THAT TYPE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HAPPENS. DOES THE, DOES THE CITY RECEIVE KIND OF LIKE A SUMMARY OF THAT FROM THE APPLICANT? IS THAT, IS THAT NORMAL OR IS, IS THAT A REQUIREMENT? BUT LIKE IN THIS CASE THE APPLICANT SAID THAT THEY PROVIDED A SIGN IN SHEET OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE TO THE CITY. UM, IS THAT REQUIRED OF, OF THE CITY, OF, OF THEM OR? WE, FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS, WE ALWAYS ENCOURAGE COMMUNITY OUTREACH SO THAT THERE'S SOME COMMUNICATION WITH THE, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, THERE IS NO STRICT RULE REQUIRING THAT THEY SUBMIT INFORMATION, BUT WE LIKE TO DOCUMENT WHAT HAS OCCURRED. SO THEY DID PROVIDE A SIGN-IN SHEET AS WELL AS A COPY OF THE NOTICE THAT THEY PROVIDED TO [03:00:01] THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS. PERFECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS WHILE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT IN FRONT OF US FROM THE COMMISSION? I, I JUST WOULD LIKE THAT YOU, YOU ADDRESS THE PARKING CONCERNS. UM, I'VE READ THE STAFF REPORT AND I'VE SEEN YOUR PARKING NUMBERS, BUT PERHAPS IT, IT WOULD HELP TO EXPLAIN TO THE RESIDENTS HOW YOU PLAN ON PROVIDING PARKING SPACES FOR YOUR OCCUPANTS. WELL, EVERY EVERY HOME HAS A TWO CAR ATTACHED GARAGE. UM, AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE OF GUEST SPACES AND HANDICAP SPACES AVAILABLE ON SITE FOR GUESTS. WE ARE VERY, VERY CLEAR IN OUR CCNRS AND OUR DISCLOSURES, UM, BECAUSE THIS ISSUE COMES UP A LOT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY HAS CONCERNS ABOUT WITH INFILL HOUSING. WE'RE VERY ACCUSTOMED TO THEIR BEING CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT THAT. AND SO WE'RE SUPER CLEAR IN OUR CCNRS THAT YOU ONLY GET TWO SPACES THAT THERE IS NO RESIDENT PARKING AVAILABLE BEYOND THOSE TWO SPACES. IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN TWO CARS, YOU SHOULDN'T, TH THIS WOULDN'T BE THE COMMUNITY FOR YOU TO PURCHASE BECAUSE THERE IS NOT ANY OTHER SPACE FOR YOU TO PARK IN. SO WE ARE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT IN OUR BUYING PROCESS. 'CAUSE WE DON'T WANNA SEE PARKING PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE. UM, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN AND IT, IT, IT JUST DOESN'T BENEFIT ANYBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THOSE TYPES OF ISSUES IN THE COMMUNITY. SO WE DO EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THERE IS LIMITED PARKING. THANK YOU. SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL CALL ON THE COMMISSION FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR ANY MOTIONS. UM, I CAN BEGIN, UH, A BIT OF THE DISCUSSION. UM, IF I CAN REMEMBER WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, IT'LL COME BACK TO ME. MARIE, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING? PASS THE BALL TO ME, . UM, I, I, I REALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO SAY OTHER THAN I, I, I'D LIKE TO SEE A LOT MORE ATTENTION PAID TO THE WALL THAT IS SEPARATING THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION FROM THE OLDER HOMES, UM, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE ALREADY THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND LIKE YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. I, I GET THAT YOU GUYS ARE, HAVE, HAVE SEEN THIS BEFORE AND YOU MADE A, A VERY GOOD EFFORT AT, YOU KNOW, CREATING SETBACKS IN THAT. BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROTECTING THE EXISTING RESIDENTS AS WELL AS DOING OUR, OUR DUTY BY NEW RESIDENTS. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. I, I THINK LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS WILL GO TONIGHT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE PROJECT WAS TO BE APPROVED THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT DOES GO ABOVE AND BEYOND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WITH COMMUNICATION SOMETIMES, BUT I THINK I'D SPEAK FOR PROBABLY MOST OF US IN THE ROOM. YOU KNOW, DEVELOPMENT IS, IS DIFFICULT. UM, AND IT IMPACTS A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND US. AND SO ANYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT COULD DO TO JUST GO ABOVE AND BEYOND COMMUNICATING AND TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION THE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY. UM, NOT JUST AT ONE ISOLATED COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENT, BUT YOU KNOW, UP TO CONSTRUCTION DURING CONSTRUCTION AFTER CONSTRUCTION. UM, I THINK THAT GOES A LONG WAY FOR JUST, UH, COMMON GOOD IN THE CITY AND, UH, IN THE FUTURE. MOVING ON, UM, ANYTHING ELSE DISCUSSION WISE? NO. ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I'LL GO AHEAD. UH, I MAKE A MOTION APPROVING A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF THE HOLBROOK, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING TENTATIVE TRACK MAP 23 DASH ZERO TWO TO ALLOW A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION FOR CONDOM CONDOMINIUM PURPOSES AND DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH FOUR TO CONSTRUCT 22 TOWNHOME UNITS, INCLUDING THREE UNITS FOR SALE TO MODERATE INCOME LEVEL HOUSEHOLDS ON THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY ADDRESSED AS THREE 10 TO THREE 30 EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATIONS THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 3 2, CLASS 32 INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OF THE SE QA GUIDELINES. IS THERE A SECOND? I THINK COMMISSIONER CARDENA SHOULD DO THE SECOND THIS TIME IT'S YOUR FIRST DAY. IS THERE A SECOND? YES. ALL. ALL RIGHT. MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER ROJAS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARDENAS. UM, EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES. SORRY I'M BUTCHERING YOUR NAME CONSTANTLY. MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO AND THIS WILL BECOME FINAL AND 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL BEFORE EVERYBODY RUNS OUT. AND I KNOW WE'LL GET TO COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE PEOPLE [03:05:01] WHO I'D LIKE TO HEAR THIS WILL BE GONE BY THEN. SO I'M GONNA SAY IT NOW. UM, JUST APPRECIATE THE COMMUNITY ALWAYS COMING OUT AND JUST VOICING THEIR CONCERNS. IT HELPS THE CITY, IT HELPS STAFF, I THINK BE MINDFUL OF CERTAIN THINGS THAT COMMUNITY MEMBERS ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, AWARE OF AND FOCUSED ON AND CONCERNED WITH, UM, WHETHER IT BE FOR THIS PROJECT OR FUTURE PROJECTS. UM, OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY OUTCOME GOES AS WE ALL MAYBE HOPE OR WISH IT WOULD, BUT I JUST, I THINK THAT I, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO KEEP BEING A VOICE FOR LAHABRA. UM, MR. GIBSON, I, YOU KNOW, CAN RELATE TO YOU LIKE MY VOICE IS MY VOICE. I'M ADVOCATING FOR MYSELF, FOR MY FAMILY, FOR, FOR ALL OF THAT. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IF WE ALL COULD CONTINUE TO DO THAT, I THINK WE CONTINUE TO MAKE LAHABRA THE BEST IT COULD POSSIBLY BE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENCE HERE TONIGHT. UH, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE SPEAKERS, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF? JUST THAT WE HAVE A NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS, UM, THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING TO PRESENT TO YOU AT YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING, ONE OF WHICH INCLUDES, UM, A COMPREHENSIVE FACADE REMODEL FOR THE PLANET FITNESS AND LAHABRA BOULEVARD. ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? WE'LL START WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, MACHA. UM, I, I WANTED TO BRING UP THE POINT THAT MICHELLE BROUGHT UP. MS. BARNIER, UM, I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE I'M MISPRONOUNCING YOUR NAME, SO I HOPE I'M NOT . OKAY. UM, BUT TO THE POINT OF, OF THE MODERATE INCOME LEVELS WHEN WE'RE APPROVING THESE PROJECTS, IT JUST SEEMS DIVORCED FROM REALITY BECAUSE THE MEDIAN INCOME IN LAHABRA IS NOT THE SAME AS THE MEDIAN INCOME IN LAGUNA HILLS. AND TO AVERAGE IT OUT AND THEN COME UP WITH NUMBERS BASED ON ALL OF ORANGE COUNTY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME IN LA HABRA. UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE OUR KIDS AND OUR GRANDKIDS STAYING HERE IN THIS CITY, BUT WE'RE GETTING PRICED OUT AND BEING REPLACED. AND, UH, SO I FEEL LIKE I AM GONNA AGREE. I DEFINITELY HAVE TO AGREE WITH THE POINT THAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE BASED ON OUR COMMUNITY, NOT ON THIS AGGREGATE NUMBER THAT INCLUDES THE FILTHY RICH, UM, THAT LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT IS NOTHING LIKE LA HABRA. UM, SO I, I, THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN SAY IT CLEARER THAN THAT. COMMISSIONER ROJAS? YES. UM, SO THANK YOU. SO JUST TO KIND OF FOLLOW UP ON THAT, UM, I, I'D LIKE TO, UM, ASK STAFF TO LOOK INTO REVISITING OUR INCLUSION, UM, INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE AND SPECIFICALLY LOOK INTO THE, IN LIEU FEES. UM, MAYBE DO A FEE STUDY, UM, TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE COMPARABLE RATES. 'CAUSE TO ME IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE DO. AND MAYBE EVEN PUTTING SOME SORT OF INFLATION PROVISION INTO THOSE RATES AND THAT WAY IT'S ALREADY IN THERE AND WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP REVISITING. UM, ALSO I KNOW WE PROVIDE THE OPTION FOR DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE AT LEAST ONE OR AT LEAST MODERATE INCOME, BUT MAYBE CONSIDER REQUIRING MAYBE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE THAT IT BE MEDIAN AND MODERATE. SO AGAIN, PUTTING A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, BEING A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC AND INTENTIONAL ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE CONSIDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR OUR CITY. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE MY TWO SUGGESTIONS, SPECIFICALLY THOSE TWO, UH, I GUESS TOPICS WITHIN THE INCLUSIONARY, UM, ORDINANCE. UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, COMMISSIONER MACHA AGREES WITH ME. I AGREE WITH YOU. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE THAT INTO A MOTION. SO THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. AND I WAS, I HEARD THAT AS LONG AS TWO OF US AGREE , WE CAN, UH, STAFF CAN LOOK INTO THAT. SO APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH, I THINK I PRETTY MUCH UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT US TO LOOK FOR. THANK YOU. UM, AND ALSO I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE RESIDENTS WHO STAYED THIS LATE. YEAH. UM, UH, TO VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. UM, WE DO CONSIDER IT. UM, IT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY, ESPECIALLY 'CAUSE WE HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE GUIDELINES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SET AND OBVIOUSLY MANAGING THAT WITH EVERYBODY'S, UH, NEEDS AND WANTS. I, I KNOW IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, RIGHT? IT'S DIFFICULT TO, FOR ALL OF US TO LIVE TOGETHER. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY I THINK WE ALL WANNA BE GOOD NEIGHBORS AND TRY TO MAKE THE BEST OF IT AND HOPEFULLY WORK SOMETHING OUT THAT IT BENEFITS EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY. UM, AND THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. CAN WE HEAR FROM OUR NEWEST COMMISSIONER, COMMISSIONER CARDENAS. THANK YOU. UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE FOR THIS EVENT. COMING TO AN EVENT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OUTCOME IS CAN BE SCARY. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENCE BEING HERE. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE DEVELOPER IS OPEN TO FEEDBACK, COMMUNICATION, SO FEEL FREE TO GO TO THEM [03:10:01] IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR THE NOISE OR THE DUST IS AN ISSUE. THANK YOU. GOOD. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO CONGRATULATE, UH, COMMISSIONER CARDENAS IN HER, UH, RECENT APPOINTMENT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE WITH US. YOU DID A GREAT JOB TONIGHT. UM, THIS WAS HER FIRST MEETING, SO SHE DID REALLY WELL. AND YEAH, I THINK JUST TO ECHO THAT AND TO REITERATE WHAT I SHARED EARLIER, UM, WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE LAHABRA, YOU KNOW, THE BEST PLACE POSSIBLE. AND, UM, I THINK WE DO THAT BY JUST, YOU KNOW, SEE SOMETHING, SAY SOMETHING. IF, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S A CONCERN TO US, UM, BRING IT UP. UM, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STAFF DOES VERY WELL IS, UM, THEY'RE OPEN TO HEARING AND KNOWING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING. AND A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THEIR EYES AND EARS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE WORKING HARD IN CITY HALL. AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES IT, IT IS DIFFICULT TO COME HERE WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN AND HOW THESE MEETINGS WORK AND WHEN YOU CAN SPEAK AND WHEN YOU CAN'T SPEAK AND, AND ALL OF THAT. AND IT TAKES COURAGE TO BE HERE AND JUST APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE HERE TONIGHT, UM, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, DO THEIR PART TO MAKE LAHABRA A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. UM, SO THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION TONIGHT, THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED TO MAY 13TH, 2024. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.