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ALL RIGHT, AT, AT THIS TIME, THE MEETING WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER.
[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, AUGUST 26, 2024 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.]
WILL THE AUDIENCE PLEASE STAND AND JOIN? COMMISSIONER ROJAS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE READY PLEDGE, ALL ALLEGIANCE TO P OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR TO STAND ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, JUSTICE.WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLE CHAIR MANLEY? HERE.
WE NOW HAVE A PROCLAMATION TO PRESENT TO COMMISSIONER ROJAS THIS EVENING.
UM, SADLY TONIGHT IS COMMISSIONER ROJAS'S LAST MEETING.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO STAND? SURE.
AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO SEND HER OFF.
COMMISSIONER ROJAS HAS SERVED ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION SINCE 2021.
SHE'S BEEN BOTH OUR VICE CHAIR AND OUR CHAIR IN THE PAST, AND SHE'S SEEN A LOT OF GREAT PROJECTS COME FORWARD.
LIKE DUTCH BROTHERS, AMERICA'S TIRED, DUNKING DONUTS, KRISPY KREME, DONUTS, BABY BROS, AND WINGS, THAT'S OF FOOD.
LITTLE WORLD INDOOR PLAYGROUND, SO YOU CAN WORK OFF SOME OF IT.
AND PLANET FITNESS,
AND LET'S SEE, UH, BERRY BROTHERS WITH A SEVEN 11 AND THEN A NUMBER OF HOUSING PROJECTS INCLUDING MAGNOLIA VILLAS AND, UM, RECENT PROJECTS APPROVED ON WHITTIER WITH CITY VENTURES.
SO SHE'S HAD QUITE, UM, AN IMPACT WITH THOSE PROJECTS AS WELL AS SOME OF OUR INITIATIVES SUCH AS UPDATING OUR HOUSING ELEMENT AND OUR SAFETY ELEMENT.
UM, PROVIDING OBJECTIVE DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR OUR HOUSING PROJECTS AND JUST A NUMBER OF CODE AMENDMENTS, INCLUDING OUR SIGN CODE UPDATE.
AND I'VE JUST REALLY ALWAYS APPRECIATED HER PROFESSIONAL MANNER, SERVING AS A COMMISSIONER AND JUST, SHE REALLY GETS TO THE POINT.
SO WITH THAT, I HAVE THIS PROCLAMATION FOR YOU.
AND I THINK WE'RE GONNA TAKE A PICTURE UP.
CAN YOU EVEN SEE IT? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS EVENING.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA.
PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION TONIGHT ON THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, OR ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA THIS EVENING? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.
UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUEST SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED, ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED
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AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE AND TWO.ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED.
FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM? IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO HAVE AN ITEM REMOVED? OKAY, HEARING NONE, MAY I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MACHA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARDENAS.
EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.
THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THEN STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTIONS IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE ELECTRON.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU'LL FIND THE SPEAKER'S CARDS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.
THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGES BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
TONIGHT'S FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, SEP TWO L 24 DASH 0 0 0 2 TO CONDUCT A LARGE SPECIAL EVENT THAT INCLUDES A PUMPKIN PATCH AND ANCILLARY ACTIVITIES AT 7 7 7 SOUTH BEACH BOULEVARD.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.
MR. CHAIR, DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES, WE DO.
UH, GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS.
I AM A CONTRACT PLANNER HERE AND I WILL BE PRESENTING SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, SEP TWO L 24 DASH 0 0 0 2.
THE APPLICANT SANTA'S GARDEN, INC.
IS PROPOSING A PUMPKIN PATCH WITH ANCILLARY ACTIVITIES ON A VACANT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 7 7 7 SOUTH BEACH BOULEVARD NEAR THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF LAMBERT ROAD AND BEACH BOULEVARD, SOUTH OF THE EXISTING DEL TACO RESTAURANT AND FUTURE DUTCH BROS RESTAURANT.
AS SHOWN ON JANUARY 23RD, 2023, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED AN AMERICA'S TIRE STORE ON THE SITE OF THE PROPOSED PUMPKIN PATCH.
GRADING AND BUILDING PLANS ARE STILL UNDER REVIEW FOR THIS PROJECT.
THE APPLICANT CURRENTLY HAS A LEASE TO USE THIS PRO.
THE PORTION OF THIS PROPERTY IDENTIFIED IN ORANGE.
THE EVENT OPERATOR HAS CONDUCTED THIS EVENT ANNUALLY SINCE 2010, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 2020 DUE TO THE COVID TO 19 PANDEMIC.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO CONDUCT A LARGE SPECIAL EVENT FOR THE SALE OF PUMPKINS THAT WILL INCLUDE INFLATABLE SLIDES, BOUNCERS, AND A KITTY TRAIN.
THE EVENT SETUP IS PROPOSED TO RUN FROM SEPTEMBER 1ST TO SEPTEMBER 27TH, AND THE EVENT IS SCHEDULED TO RUN FROM SEPTEMBER 28TH UNTIL OCTOBER 31ST, AS IN PREVIOUS YEARS, THE PROPOSED HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE PROPOSED PUMPKIN PATCH ARE FROM 9:00 AM TO 10:00 PM SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
THE EVENT LAYOUT FOR THE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY ADJACENT TO BEACH BOULEVARD REMAINS GENERALLY THE SAME AS IN PREVIOUS YEARS WITH THE PUMPKIN DISPLAY AREA LOCATED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PROPERTY AND THE KITTY TRAIN RUNNING THROUGH THE PUMPKIN PATCH.
INFLATABLE BOUNCERS SLIDES AND OBSTACLE COURSES ARE PROPOSED AROUND THE PUMPKIN DISPLAY AREA.
THE EVENT ALSO INCLUDES TEMPORARY LIGHTING SECURITY OFFICE TRAILERS WITH 24 HOUR SECURITY, TEMPORARY RESTROOMS, STORAGE TRAILERS, AND AN OFFICE UNIT.
IN PREVIOUS YEARS, THE SITE OF THE DUTCH BROS RESTAURANT WAS USED FOR PARKING.
SINCE THIS PARKING WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE THIS YEAR, THE APPLICANT HAS ACCOMMODATED ALL REQUIRED PARKING SPACES FOR THE PROPOSED PUMPKIN PATCH WITHIN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE.
THE EVENT THE EVENT IS REQUIRED AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED 20 ONSITE
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CUSTOMER PARKING SPACES, WHICH SAT, WHICH SATISFIES THE REQUIREMENT AS IN PREVIOUS YEARS, CUSTOMERS WILL ACCESS THE PUMPKIN PATCH FROM BEACH BOULEVARD VIA THE DRIVEWAY LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE DEL TACO PROPERTY THROUGH THE DEL TACO DRIVE AISLE.THE APPLICANT HAS AN AGREEMENT WITH A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE DEL TACO FOR THIS ACCESS.
STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE REQUEST.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
AT THIS TIME I WILL ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU OR STAFF.
ANY QUESTIONS? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.
WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT HERE TONIGHT THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ITEM? GOOD EVENING.
I'M THE OWNER OF SANTA'S GARDEN.
JAY, CAN YOU JUST SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD? YES, E-Y-L-E-R.
AND I JUST WANT TO REALLY JUST THANK, THANK THE COMMISSION FOR ALLOWING US TO HAVE THE EVENT AGAIN.
YOU KNOW, WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN THERE SINCE 2002 AND IN LA HABRA SINCE THE LATE NINETIES, SO IT'S NICE TO SQUEAK OUT ONE MORE YEAR.
I KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE, OBVIOUSLY THE AMERICA'S TIRES GOING IN THE DUTCH BROS.
HOPEFULLY WE CAN RELOCATE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MYSELF AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY.
IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU AS WE GET THERE, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS NOW? OH, I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION AND EVERYTHING.
NO, I DON'T THINK WE, I, MR. I YOU'RE DONE.
DO YOU, DO YOU GET A LOT OF BUSINESS AT 9:00 AM IN THE MORNING? UM, ON THE WEEKENDS? YEAH, THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND THEN ONLY IF WE HAVE, UM, SOMETIMES WE HAVE FIELD TRIPS THAT THEY WANT IN MORNING TIME.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE, YOU KNOW, UTILIZE 'EM EVERY SINGLE DAY.
I JUST, IT'S NICE TO ASK FOR MORE THAN YOU NEED AND THEN, BUT UM, AND THEN USUALLY WE ONLY STAY OPEN TILL 10 ON FRIDAY AND SATURDAY.
NO, YOUR ANSWER MAKES SENSE IN LIGHT OF THERE BEING FIELD TRIPS AND, AND WEEKEND HOURS AS WELL.
ANYTHING ELSE FOR MR. EILER COMMISSIONERS? NO.
ANYONE ELSE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM? OKAY.
ANYBODY HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE ITEM? OKAY.
SO AT THIS TIME WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL CALL ON THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY DISCUSSION AND OR A MOTION.
UM, I'LL JUST BEGIN BY SAYING WE'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION LONG ENOUGH TO KIND OF HEAR DIFFERENT, UH, SITUATIONS ARISE WITH WHETHER IT'S THE CHRISTMAS TREE LOT OR THE PUMPKIN PATCH THERE AT THAT LOCATION.
AND, UM, I THINK AT ONE POINT THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH A, A TRAILER THERE AND SOMEBODY LIVING THERE.
AND, UM, FROM WHAT I CAN SAY IN MY EXPERIENCE, ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS HAVE BEEN REMEDIED AND ALLEVIATED.
AND THE APPLICANT, UM, HAS DEMONSTRATED, YOU KNOW, A WILLINGNESS TO BE AMENABLE TO MAKING SOMETHING WORK IN LA HABRA.
AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AND BENEFIT FROM THAT.
UM, SO IF THERE'S NOT ANY OBJECTION, I WOULD BE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO PROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, SEP TWO L 24 DASH 0 0 0 2 TO CONDUCT A LARGE SPECIAL EVENT THAT INCLUDES A PUMPKIN PATCH AND ANCILLARY ACTIVITIES AT 7 7 7 SOUTH BEACH BOULEVARD AS PER THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA PURSUANT TO SECTION 15 304 E CLASS FOUR MINOR ALTERATIONS TO LAND AND SECTION 1 506 1 B THREE COMMON SENSE EXEMPTION OF THE CA GUIDELINES.
MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GOMEZ.
EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO AND THIS WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE IN 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
TONIGHT'S FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER REQUESTS FOR DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH FIVE AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 23 DASH ZERO THREE TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT STARBUCKS COFFEE WITH OUTDOOR MENU BOARDS AT 5 41 EAST WOODIER BOULEVARD.
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DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? UM, SOME OF THE SPEAKERS DID SUBMIT A COPY OF THEIR WRITTEN STATEMENTS THAT THEY WILL BE MAKING, SO THOSE WERE PASSED OUT.AND I CAN CONFIRM ON BEHALF OF THE COMMISSION THAT WE DO ALL HAVE A LOT OF THOSE STATEMENTS HERE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT AND WE'VE REVIEWED THEM AND WE'LL REFER TO THEM AS WE HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ME IN THE AUDIENCE, MY NAME'S SONYA LOUIE AND I'M THE PLANNING MANAGER.
I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU THIS PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES DESIGN REVIEW 2305 TO CONSTRUCT A NEW 1200 SQUARE FOOT STARBUCKS COFFEE RESTAURANT AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 23 DASH THREE TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A DRIVE THROUGH WITH OUTDOOR MENU BOARDS.
AS YOU MAY RECALL, THESE APPLICATIONS WERE FIRST PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION ON APRIL 22ND, 2024.
AT THAT TIME, THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED FOR ZERO TO CONTINUE THE PROJECT IN ORDER TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT ADDITIONAL TIME TO WORK ON ADDRESSING MANY OF THE ISSUES RAISED DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SUBSEQUENT TO THE APRIL, 2024 PUBLIC HEARING, THE APPLICANT HELD A COMMUNITY MEETING AT CITY HALL ON JULY 15TH.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APPLICANT CONDUCTED A FOLLOW-UP CONFERENCE CALL WITH THE RESIDENTS ON AUGUST 14TH.
AND THE APPLICANT'S PROJECT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT INCLUDES MANY OF THE UPDATES AND REVISIONS AS A RESULT OF THEIR COMMUNICATIONS WITH BOTH THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS CITY STAFF.
THE PROJECT SH THE PROJECT SITE IS SHOWN HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE ORANGE UH BORDER.
AS FOR THE SURROUNDING AREA, OOPS.
IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH THERE ARE EXISTING MULTI-UNIT RESIDENCES.
FURTHER NORTH SHADED IN THE GREEN IS THE SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD OF SINGLE UNIT HOMES.
THESE RESIDENTS ARE KNOWN AS THE CHESTNUT ESTATES TO THE EAST OF THE PROJECT SITE ACROSS CHESTNUT STREET, THERE IS AN EXISTING MULTI-TENANT OFFICE COMPLEX TO THE SOUTHEAST, THERE IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL STRIP SHOPPING CENTER AND TO THE SOUTH AND ACROSS WHITTIER BOULEVARD, THERE IS AN EXISTING SINGLE UNIT RESIDENCE.
FINALLY, IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST OF THE PROJECT SITE, THERE IS A, THERE ARE BOTH ONE AND TWO STORY MULTI-TENANT OFFICE BUILDINGS AS PROPOSED.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO BUILD A 1200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.
THE PROJECT INCLUDES DUAL DRIVE-THROUGH LANES THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE A TOTAL OF 17 CARS.
THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF 10 PARKING SPACES PROVIDED.
THIS INCLUDES BOTH A DA PARKING AS WELL AS EV READY PARKING SPACES.
THE SITE WILL ALSO BE IMPROVED WITH LANDSCAPE.
BOTH WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND CHESTNUT STREET WILL HAVE LANDSCAPE FRONTAGES AND AT LEAST 7% OF THE PARKING LOT WILL BE LANDSCAPED.
HERE IS A COLOR RENDERING PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT DEPICTING THE PROPOSED BUILDING DESIGN AND SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED STAFF TO ADDRESS SIX DISCUSSION ITEMS WHICH WERE EXPLAINED IN THIS LATEST STAFF REPORT.
STAFF NOTED AS DISCUSSION ITEM NUMBER ONE THAT THE RESIDENTS EXPRESS CONCERN OVER NOISE AND PRIVACY IMPACTS FROM THE PROPOSED PROJECT IN THIS CASE, THE LA HOPPER MUNICIPAL CODE REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICANT PROVIDE A MINIMUM SIX FOOT HIGH SOLID MASONRY WALL BETWEEN THE PROJECT SITE AND ANY RESIDENTIAL AREA.
A SIX FOOT SIX INCH HIGH WALL COULD BE ALLOWED WITH AN ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT.
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TO WORK WITH THE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE A SIX FOOT SIX INCH HIGH WALL SHOWN IN PINK EXCEPT FOR THE 15 FOOT PORTION, WHICH INCLUDES A THREE FOOT HIGH WALL SHOWN IN YELLOW SO THAT THE RESIDENCES ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN A SAFE VEHICULAR LINE OF SIGHT WHEN UTILIZING THEIR DRIVEWAY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NEW SIX FOOT SIX INCH HIGH WALL.THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING TO PROVIDE AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH ROW OF TREES THAT WILL PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND NOISE ATTENUATION FOR THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS.
DISCUSSION ITEM TWO INVOLVES THE MAINTENANCE OF CHESTNUT STREET.
AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO RESEAL AND RETRIP THE SOUTHBOUND LANE OF CHESTNUT ALONG THE PRI PROJECT SITE, AND THIS IS HIGHLIGHTED IN GREEN.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO AGREED TO RESEAL AND RETRIP THE NORTHBOUND LANE OF CHESTNUT ADJACENT TO 6 0 1 EAST WADE BOULEVARD.
GIVEN THEY ARE ABLE TO OBTAIN CONSENT FROM THAT PROPERTY OWNER AND THIS AREA IS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE.
LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE COORDINATION BETWEEN THE APPLICANT'S SUBCONTRACTOR AND THE RESIDENTS SO THAT THE RESIDENTS MAY WORK OUT A SEPARATE AGREEMENT TO RES SLURRY AND RETRIP THE PORTION OF CHESTNUT ADJACENT TO ALL OF THE CHESTNUT ESTATE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
ANOTHER REVISION MADE PERTAINING TO CHESTNUT STREET RELATES TO NEW SIGNAGE BEING ADDED TO DETER STARBUCKS CUSTOMERS FROM DRIVING BEYOND THE STARBUCKS CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO INSTALL A PROMINENT, HIGHLY VISIBLE SIGN EAST OF THE STARBUCKS DRIVEWAY.
UH, I WILL POINT THAT OUT WHEN I BRING THE SITE PLAN UP ONCE AGAIN, BUT HERE I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING TO PROVIDE A DO NOT ENTER PRIVATE PROPERTY SIGN AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROJECT SITE AND WITH THE CONSENT AGAIN OF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY OWNER OF 6 0 1 EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD, THE APPLICANT WILL ALSO ADD A SECOND SIMILAR SIGN AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THAT PROPERTY.
WHILE SUCH SIGNAGE IS NOT REQUIRED, IT IS ALSO NOT RESTRICTED AND COULD HELP PREVENT UNWANTED TRAFFIC.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION REQUESTED THAT THE APPLICANT ALSO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC DETERRENCE INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO, UH, TRAFFIC SPEED BUMPS.
UH, THE SPEED BUMPS WERE REQUESTED TO PREVENT VEHICLES FROM ENTERING THE RESIDENTIAL AREA ALONG CHESTNUT.
HOWEVER, THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER DOES NOT RECOMMEND THE CITY, UH, REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO IMPLEMENT A SPEED BUMP OR OTHER TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS ON A PRIVATE STREET.
AND THIS IS MAINLY BECAUSE THE CITY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO REGULATE TRAVEL AND WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN SUCH PRIVATE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE FOURTH DISCUSSION ITEM PERTAINS TO THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR STARBUCKS.
THE APPLICANT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSING LATER HOURS OF OPERATION AS THERE ARE OTHER STARBUCKS LOCATIONS THAT CLOSE, UM, AS LATE AS 9:30 PM OR 10:00 PM TO COMPROMISE AND ALLEVIATE THE RESIDENT'S CONCERNS.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO OPERATE FROM 5:00 AM TO 9:00 PM DAILY.
FURTHERMORE, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO LIMITING THEIR DELIVERY HOURS TO OCCUR BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 8:00 AM AND 6:00 PM DAILY.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, WHICH WILL ALSO REQUIRE AN EVALUATION OF DELIVERY IMPACTS IF NEEDED.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO FURTHER REDUCE THEIR DELIVERY HOURS AFTER THAT EVALUATION IS MADE.
THE RESIDENTS HAVE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED THAT IT IS THEIR PREFERENCE TO CLOSE THE CHESTNUT DRIVEWAY.
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UPON STARBUCKS OPENING, THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER HAS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVE-THROUGH LANE FOR 17 VEHICLES IS ADEQUATE FOR THIS PROJECT, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED BOTH A QUEUING AND PARKING ANALYSIS, WHICH WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET AS ATTACHMENT FOUR, WHICH ANALYZED THREE UH, COMPARABLE SITES TO THIS STARBUCKS PROJECT.UM, YOU'LL FIND BASED ON THESE EXAMPLES, THE ANALYSIS CON CONCLUDED THAT AN OVERFLOW ON CHESTNUT STREET IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
THEREFORE, THE CITY'S, UM, TRAFFIC ENGINEER DID NOT BELIEVE IT WAS REASONABLE OR JUSTIFIED TO REQUIRE THAT THE CHESTNUT DRIVEWAY BE CLOSED.
MORE MOREOVER, IT SHOULD BE NOTED THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER ALSO NOTED THE THERE IS A SAFETY CONCERN SHOULD THE CHESTNUT DRIVEWAY BE CLOSED, THAT THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN THE AMOUNT OF U-TURNS ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD.
SO CITING THAT, UM, SAFETY CONCERN AND GIVEN THAT THERE'S NO DATA THAT SUPPORTS CLOSURE OF THAT DRIVEWAY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO MAINTAIN BOTH DRIVEWAYS IN THE EVENT THE DRIVE-THROUGH, UM, DOES OVERFLOW AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
STAFF HAS INCLUDED A DRIVE THROUGH MANAGEMENT PLAN, UH, UH, WITHIN THE REPORT.
UM, WE'VE HIGHLIGHTED THE FIVE BASIC STEPS TO THAT DRIVE THROUGH MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH INCLUDES PLACING HIGHLY VISIBLE SIGNS, UM, ADJACENT TO THE WHITTIER BOULEVARD DRIVEWAY TO ENCOURAGE CUSTOMERS, UM, WISHING TO VISIT STARBUCKS TO ENTER THERE FIRST.
UM, IT ALSO REQUIRES THAT THE BUSINESS OPERATOR HAVE AN EMPLOYEE POSITIONED BEFORE, UM, THE ORDER BOARD, UM, TO TAKE ORDERS TO HELP EFFICIENTLY MOVE THE DRIVE THROUGH, UM, ALONG.
AND THE BUSINESS OPERATOR SHALL HAVE, SHALL BE REQUIRED TO HAVE, UM, AN EMPLOYEE ACTIVELY MONITORING THE DRIVE THROUGH LANES AND SHOULD AGAIN, THAT QUEUE EXCEED 17 VEHICLES.
UM, THEY WILL TEMPORARILY, UM, CLOSE THAT THAT DRIVEWAY, UM, WITH THE USE OF HIGHLY VISIBLE TRAFFIC CONES, DELINEATORS, OR, UM, A COMBINATION WITH A-FRAME SIGNS.
SHOULD THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE CONSTANTLY BE CONGESTED.
UM, THE PROPERTY OWNER AND BUSINESS OPERATOR SHALL RESTRICT INGRESS INTO THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY, UM, AND THE CHESTNUT STREET EGRESS SHALL, UM, NOT BE RESTRICTED IF ALL OF THE CONDITIONS HAVE, UM, NOT BEEN AFFECTED.
THE CITY WILL CONDUCT A TRAFFIC QUEUING STUDY NO SOONER THAN SIX MONTHS AFTER OPENING TO DETERMINE IF A PERMANENT CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY ENTRY CLOSURE WILL NEED TO BE MADE.
THE APPLICANTS ALSO REVISED THEIR PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, THERE WERE SOME SIMPLE CHANGES RELATED TO ACCOUNTING FOR THE REQUIRED VEHICULAR LINE OF LINE OF SIGHT AT EACH DRIVEWAY.
AND SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE ARE A NUMBER, A TOTAL OF THREE TREES ALONG EACH STREET FRONTAGE, UM, THAT THEY ARE PRELIMINARILY PROPOSING TO PROVIDE.
UM, AS WITH ALL NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, A FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL BE REQUIRED AT THE TIME OF BUILDING PLAN CHECK REVIEW.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF REVISIONS IN THIS LATEST PROJECT PLAN BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.
THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF ALL OF THOSE CHANGES.
UH, TO RECAP, A NEW NORTHERN PERIMETER WALL WITH NEW LANDSCAPING IS PROPOSED TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
NEW SIGNS WILL BE ADDED, NOTING THE DO NOT ENTER, UH, CHESTNUT AS CHESTNUT STREET IS A PRIVATE STREET.
THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO HOURS OF OPERATION, UM, WHEREBY THEIR STORE WILL CLOSE AT 9:00 PM
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DAILY.THEY'VE AGREED TO DELIVERY HOURS LIMITED BETWEEN 8:00 AM AND 6:00 PM WITH THE CONDITION ADDED, UM, THAT THEY WILL FURTHER REDUCE, UM, THE DELIVERY HOURS AS NEEDED AFTER A DELIVERY IMPACT EVALUATION IS DONE.
AND FINALLY, A CONDITION WAS ALSO, UH, ADDED REQUIRING IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH MANAGEMENT PLAN AND EVALUATION OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH QUEUING, UH, AT SIX MONTHS.
SO BEFORE I CLOSE STAFF, UM, HAD PROVIDED A REVISED, UM, RESOLUTION FOR YOU.
THERE WAS A NUMBER OF COMMUNICATIONS AT THE VERY LAST WEEK BETWEEN THE APPLICANT RESIDENTS AND STAFF, AND THE REVISED, UM, RESOLUTION REFLECTS ALL OF THE UPDATED CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
WITH THAT, THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU, UH, OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA HABA RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF BOTH DESIGN REVIEW 2305 AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2303.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.
I, UH, I WILL TURN TO THE COMMISSION, UM, FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND I'LL BEGIN WITH A COUPLE AND, AND THEN WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
UM, JUST GO BACK TO THE SLIDE ON THE HOURS OF OPERATION.
I BELIEVE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, ITEM NUMBER FOUR.
I I FEEL LIKE I SAW ON THERE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE SUNDAY? THAT SHOULD BE, UH, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
THAT'S WHAT I, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
SO MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, 5:00 AM TO 9:00 PM EVERY DAY.
UM, THERE WAS A PHRASE, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES IN REGARDS TO THE OTHER ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER ACROSS CHESTNUT AND IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, RESEALING AND STRIPING IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE SIGNAGE PROVIDED THAT THERE WERE CONSENT, YOU KNOW, THAT THERE WAS CONSENT FROM THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
ARE, ARE WE AWARE OF ANY OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS HAVING HAVE HAPPENED OR WE'RE HOPING THAT THOSE WILL HAPPEN AT, AT SOME POINT OR, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT TO THE STATUS OF ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE APPLICANT AND THAT ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER? WE STAFF HAS HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, IN THE CHESTNUT STREET, UH, ESTATES AREA.
THEY'VE CONVEYED TO US THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THAT PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, SINCE THIS IS A PRIVATE PROPERTY, THE CONSENT IS REQUIRED BEFORE ANY IMPROVEMENT BE DONE TO THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF SIGNAGE OR CHANGES TO MAINTAIN THEIR PORTION OF CHESTNUT STREET AS WELL.
BUT, UM, IT'S STAFF'S UNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, THEIR COMMUNICATIONS THAT THEY'VE HAD WITH THE RESIDENTS APPEAR TO ALIGN WITH THEIR EFFORT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ADDING THE SIGN AND ALSO RE SLURRING AND RES STRIPING THAT PORTION OF THE NORTHBOUND LANE OF CHESTNUT STREET.
SO MAYBE WE CAN DRILL INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE APPLICANT IN A MOMENT.
UM, I WAS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR AND, AND MAYBE IT WAS ONLY ME IF IT WAS, FORGIVE ME ON THIS SCENARIO WHEN THE CHESTNUT DRIVEWAY COULD POSSIBLY BE CLOSED, WHETHER IT WAS INGRESS EGRESS, UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT AND JUST RE-EXPLAIN THAT FOR ME.
UM, I'M ALSO WONDERING, SINCE WE ALSO HAVE OUR CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN THE AUDIENCE, IF WE COULD HELP, UM, WALK YOU THROUGH THE DR DRIVE THROUGH MATCH TRAFFIC.
IF YOU, IF YOU WANTED TO JUST RESTATE YOUR PART OR IF, IF MR. PLOTNIK WANTS TO ELABORATE ON THAT.
GOOD EVENING CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.
SO I WILL GO THROUGH, WE SET ASIDE A LIST OF CONDITIONS SO THAT IT WOULD ALLEVIATE ANY ISSUES THAT SH SHOULD IT EVER COME UP, IT'LL RESOLVE THEM.
SO THE FIRST ONE, WELL, LET'S SEE, THOUGHT THEY WERE LISTED.
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I KNOW I SAW IT IN THE REPORT.OKAY, SO THE FIRST ONE WAS THAT IF THE DRIVE THROUGH EXCEEDS 17 VEHICLES, THIS IS MORE LIKE A, THE DRIVE THROUGH MANAGEMENT PLAN KIND OF, RIGHT? DOES IT HAVE A LASER? OH, YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
SO AT THE TOP OF THE DRIVE THROUGH, IF IT, ONCE IT EXCEEDS 17 VEHICLES, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOMEBODY GO OUT THERE AND TAKE ORDERS SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TO COME UP TO THE ORDER BOARD AND TAKE ORDERS.
IF IT'S STILL THERE, THEN THEY'RE GONNA PUT DOWN CONES OR A-FRAMES OR WHATEVER THEY FEEL IS GONNA CLOSE.
AND IT'S JUST THE INGRESS, NOT THE E EGRESS.
SO JUST BE FOR INCOMING CARS AND ANYBODY THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO TURN AROUND AND GO OUT TO WHITTIER IF, IF THEY WERE THERE.
SO IF IT STILL CONTINUES WHERE THEY START SEEING THAT MAYBE EVERY DAY IT STARTS BUILDING UP AND THIS QUEUE AND THEY NEED TO CLOSE IT OFF, THEN THEY'RE GONNA JUST LEAVE IT CLOSED.
WHETHER IT'S AT THAT TIME OR MAYBE THEY JUST CLOSE IT OFF ALL DAY.
IF THAT STILL DOESN'T WORK, THEN THEY'RE GONNA JUST LEAVE IT CLOSED.
BUT WE'RE GOING TO, BUT ACCORDING TO ALL THE STUDIES WE'VE SEEN AND THE DATA THEY PROVIDED US, THE MOST VEHICLES THAT WERE IN ANY OF THE STARBUCKS WAS 13.
SO THEREFORE THIS IS PROVIDING FOR 17.
WE DON'T HAVE A REASON TO BELIEVE THE QUEUE IS GONNA GET TO THAT POINT.
IF IT DOES AND THEY CLOSE OFF CHESTNUT, THEY CAN STILL ACCOMMODATE MORE VEHICLES OFF OF WHITTIER.
SO WE DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GONNA SPILL INTO WHITTIER AT ALL.
AND IF WE START SEEING THAT THERE'S BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A WHILE, WE SAID LET THINGS NORMALIZE AND THAT WE WOULD THEN CONDUCT A STUDY, THE CITY WOULD DO IT AND SEE WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE QUEUE, WHAT ARE THE ISSUES AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO ADDRESS IT.
IF YOU'VE BEEN DOWN TO THE COSTCO IN FULLERTON, IT WAS A MESS OFF OF HARBOR.
SO WHAT DID THEY ULTIMATELY DO? THEY CLOSED IT OFF AND NOW EVERYBODY HAS TO GO AROUND THE BACK.
WE DON'T WANT TO JUST DO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THIS SITUATION WOULD COME UP.
SO UNLESS WE HAD SOMETHING SAYING THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN, WE DON'T NEED TO PENALIZE ANYBODY.
'CAUSE IN TRAFFIC WE LIKE TO DO LITTLE THINGS AT A TIME.
WE DON'T LIKE TO MAKE A BUNCH OF CHANGES AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT FIXED IT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, MICHAEL, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY OF THAT SPECIFICALLY? I DO.
UM, SO LET'S SAY I'M COMING DOWN WHITTIER AND I'M GONNA GET MY COFFEE AND I GO DOWN CHESTER CHESTNUT AND I NOTICE THAT IT'S CONED OFF, RIGHT? SO AT THAT POINT I HAVE TO BUST A A U-TURN AND THEN GO DOWN WHITTIER.
AND THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THAT SIDE IS CLOSED, IT'S JUST BY THE CONES BEING THERE.
THERE'S NO SIGN SAYING THE DRIVEWAY IS CLOSED.
I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE THAT SHE COULD GO IN THROUGH THE EGRESS.
I I HAD SUGGESTED MAYBE CLOSING OFF THE WHOLE THING BECAUSE MAYBE SOMEBODY'S GONNA SNEAK IN THERE, BUT IF IT'S CLOSED OFF, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET IN THE LINE BECAUSE IT'S BLOCKED.
SO THEY'RE JUST GONNA BE KIND OF WAITING, BLOCKING PEOPLE FROM GETTING OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY.
AND I HOPE STARBUCKS WOULD TELL THEM TO MOVE.
AND, AND THIS IS, UM, THIS IS GOOD.
I MEAN THE CONVERSATION, THE DISCUSSIONS, THE QUESTIONS, THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL HERE TONIGHT.
I KNOW THAT AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS WE'RE GONNA KIND OF JUMP BACK AND FORTH FOR, OKAY, WELL IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN, WHICH OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ASSUMES THAT THE PROJECT GETS APPROVED AND WE'RE NOT THERE YET.
SO I JUST WANT TO KIND OF STATE THAT, UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO FLESH ALL THIS OUT.
BUT IN, IN THAT CASE, IF THE PROJECT WERE TO BE APPROVED, UM, IN THAT INSTANCE, WHAT WOULD RESIDENTS DO IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY SAW THAT TRAFFIC QUEUE BE A PROBLEM BLEEDING OUT ONTO CHESTNUT? AND LET'S JUST IMAGINE A SCENARIO WHERE STARBUCKS WASN'T REALLY DILIGENT ABOUT PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT'S CONCEIVABLE.
WHAT DO THEY DO? WHAT IS, I MEAN, JUST CONTACT THE CITY.
THEY'RE NOT CALLING 9 1 1, I HOPE, YOU KNOW.
NO, I WOULD SAY THEIR FIRST OPTION WOULD BE REACH OUT TO THE CITY AND WE CAN GO OUT AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE CAN THEN REACH OUT TO STARBUCKS, SAY, HEY, WE PUT THESE CONDITIONS FOR YOU, YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING 'EM.
IF YOU'RE NOT GONNA FOLLOW THEM, WE CAN SHUT YOU DOWN.
AND THAT'S, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT
AND THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT FEEDBACK IS COMING FROM.
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THAT IS CONDITIONED IN THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THE PROJECT BE APPROVED KIND OF AS IT'S WRITTEN AND AS IT'S BEFORE US TONIGHT, THAT THE CITY IS ABLE TO STEP IN IN THOSE CASES AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.UM, WE NEED TO ADDRESS IT OR, AND WE DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE OR.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK JUST EDUCATIONALLY IS IMPORTANT FOR RESIDENTS AND FOR ALL OF US TO BE AWARE OF, UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT POINT.
THE, I THINK THAT WAS IT FOR ALL OF MY QUESTIONS AND WE DON'T HAVE TO JUST DIRECT OUR QUESTIONS AT MR. PLOTNIK.
IF ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, FOR SONYA, FOR ANYBODY.
UH, I, SO I WANNA GO BACK TO THE, THE NOTION OF SHUTTING OFF THE DRIVEWAY ON CHESTNUT BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE THE FLOW OF TRAFFIC AND FROM WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME OR TELLING US, IT SEEMS LIKE CLOSING THAT DRIVEWAY WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE IT MORE LIKELY THAT PEOPLE WOULD END UP DOING A U-TURN ON CHESTNUT.
AND ALSO IF THERE IS A BACKUP OF THE DRIVEWAY QUEUE, THAT IT WOULD END UP ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT PORTION.
THAT IT WOULDN'T ACTUALLY, 'CAUSE I'M TRYING TO IMAGINE A SCENARIO IN WHICH THAT OVERFLOW ENDS UP ON THE NORTHERN PORTION, WHICH IS THE PRIVATE STREET.
SO THAT'S TWO THINGS, RIGHT? ONE WAS THAT IT SEEMS LIKE, FROM WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME, THAT CLOSING THE DRIVEWAY WOULD MAKE IT MORE LIKELY FOR U-TURNS TO HAPPEN ON CHESTNUT FOR EASTBOUND TRAFFIC.
UH, NOW THE BACKING UP OF THE CARS ON CHESTNUT, THAT SHOULD NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE THE, IF STARBUCKS SEES THE QUEUE IS GETTING TO 17, THEY'LL CLOSE IT.
SO IT SHOULD NOT BE THEN CONTINUING TO FLOW ONTO CHESTNUT.
BUT I BUT IN, IN THE WORLD WHERE THERE IS AN OVERFLOW AND IT'S OFF THE PROPERTY, IT SEEMS TO ME KIND OF HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT THE OVERFLOW WOULD END UP TO THE NORTH RATHER THAN THE SOUTH.
IT WOULD, IT WOULD ALMOST BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR THAT.
YEAH, BECAUSE THAT DRIVE THROUGH ON CHESTNUT, THE EGRESS BEING CLOSED WOULD JUST FORCE LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK AT THAT POINT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CAR, YOU KNOW, 20, 21, 22, 23, WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WOULD JUST BLEED ONTO WOODIER BOULEVARD KIND OF FACING WEST.
I, I'M TRYING, I DON'T HAVE A LITTLE POINTER AND I CAN'T DRAW IT FOR YOU, BUT I, I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN MY HEAD.
AND TO REITERATE TO THAT POINT, IN ALL THE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE FOR THIS PROJECT, THE MAXIMUM COMPARABLE NUMBER WAS 13.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THIS SITE PLAN IN FRONT OF US, WE'RE LOOKING AT CAR 17 THERE.
AND SO TO IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, A SCENARIO, IS IT POSSIBLE? SURE.
UM, BUT HOW LIKELY IS THAT AND WHAT WAS THAT, WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE? YOU KNOW, WHERE WE GET INTO THE TWENTIES OF CARS AND WHERE WOULD THAT KIND OF TAKE THIS? THAT'S GOOD.
ANYTHING ELSE, MARIE? I JUST HAD A QUESTION.
OOPS, I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON MAINTENANCE FOR THE RESALE AND STRIFE AND THE TWO SIGNS, DO YOU KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT WAS AN AGREEMENT FOR STARBUCKS TO MAINTAIN THEM LONG TERM OR IS THAT GONNA BE COORDINATED WITH THE HOMEOWNERS IN CHESTNUT? OH, ACTUALLY DEFER TO SONYA FOR THAT.
SO BEING A PRIVATE STREET, IT'D BE A SEPARATE AGREEMENT WITH THE HOMEOWNERS.
AND SO IF, IF WE CAN GO DOWN THAT FOR A MOMENT.
SO OBVIOUSLY AT THE TIME OF THE PROJECT AND THE DEVELOPMENT, IT WAS A RESEAL AND A RES STRIPE OF THE WEST SIDE OF CHESTNUT.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THE CONSENT, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY COMING IN FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER ON THE EAST SIDE AND STARBUCKS COULD TAKE CARE OF THE RETRIP AND THE RESEAL THERE.
AND THEN I DID UNDERSTAND LIKE THAT THE RESIDENTS, YOU KNOW, COULD ENTER AN AGREEMENT WITH THAT SAME CONTRACTOR AT THAT TIME.
BUT MAYBE TO COMMISSIONER GOMEZ'S QUESTION, WHAT HAPPENS THREE YEARS, FIVE YEARS, 10 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, IS THERE, UH, ANYTHING ON THE PROJECT THAT SPEAKS TO THAT OR WE'RE WE'RE KNOWING THAT OKAY, STARBUCKS IS GONNA TAKE CARE OF THE RESEAL AND RETRIP IF THE PROJECT'S APPROVED, YOU KNOW, TODAY AND NEVER AGAIN OR WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO THERE'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING SPEC SPECIFIC FOR THE RE SLURRY RES STRIPING OF THE SOUTHBOUND PORTION AND NORTHBOUND PORTION ADJACENT TO THE PROJECT SITE.
AS FAR AS FUTURE MAINTENANCE, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY'D BE SUBJECT SUBJECTED TO PROPERTY MAINTENANCE REGULATIONS IN THE CITY.
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IT'S JUST THE RESPONSIBILITY FALLS ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT MAINTENANCE.SO IN THEORY, IF STARBUCKS WAS OKAY WITH THAT PORTION OF CHESTNUT BEING A MESS, YOU KNOW, THEY'D HAVE AN ARGUMENT WITH THE RESIDENTS NORTH OF THEM ON THEIR HANDS, BUT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE MUCH JURISDICTION OVER ANY OF THAT.
WOULD THAT BE AN ACCURATE WAY TO DE DESCRIBE THAT AT? I BELIEVE, AND, AND MICHAEL YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF YOU HAVE A, A MAINTENANCE ISSUE WITH THE STREET, I GUESS IN THE FUTURE THERE WAS A POTHOLE OR SOMETHING AND THEY NEEDED TO REPAIR THAT THEY COULD BE CITED FOR NOT PROPERLY MAINTAINING THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, BUT THE ENFORCEMENT FALLS ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER BECAUSE THEY OWN THAT SECTION OF THE STREET.
SO IF STARBUCKS HAD A POTHOLE, THEY WOULD BE NOTIFIED THAT, HEY, YOU HAVE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE RELATED TO, UM, THE DETERIORATION OF YOUR, YOUR PORTION OF THE STREET.
MICHAEL, COULD YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? I MEAN THAT'S ACCURATE.
SO IF WE HAVE A CONDITION THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN JUST LIKE A PARKING LOT, WHICH WE DO PRIVATE PROPERTY, CORRECT SONIA, THAT CONDITION EXISTS THAT THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN THAT WE JUST, WE JUST HAVE A CONDITION REQUIRING THE RE SLURRY AND RETRIP OF THE ADJACENT PORTIONS FOR, UH, AS PART OF THIS PROJECT.
NOTHING CONDITIONED INTO THE FUTURE.
I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S, IT ADDRESSES FOR FUTURE ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
BUT LET ME DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE CONDITION NUMBER.
LET ME JUST FLIP THROUGH THAT DRAFT AND I'LL TELL YOU THE NUMBER.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT CONDITION NUMBER NINE UNDER THE DESIGN REVIEW, IT'S ON PAGE 15 OF THE DRAFT RESOLUTION.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE ITEM NUMBER? PAGE NUMBERS? WE DON'T HAVE PAGE NUMBERS SONIA, WE JUST HAVE ITEM, I'M SORRY, AT THE TOP OF THE HEADER.
MARIA AND I CAN'T READ WHO PUTS PAGE NUMBERS THERE.
IS THAT, SO CONDITION 1.10 1.11, WHICH ADDRESSES PAVEMENT RESURFACING, THE APPLICANT DEVELOPER SUCCESSOR AND INTEREST SHALL RE SLURRY AND RETRIP THE PARKING AREAS EVERY FIVE YEARS AT A MINIMUM, STARTING FROM THE DATE OF A PERMIT FINAL FOR THE PROJECT.
THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR DESIGNEE MAY REQUIRE MORE FREQUENT SLURRY AND RES STRIPING IF THE PARKING AREAS ARE NOT MAINTAINED IN GOOD CONDITION.
SO THAT SPEAKS MAYBE TO THE, AS I'M READING THAT, TO THE PARKING AREAS, NOT AS MUCH TO CHESTNUT PARKING.
I JUST WANT TO CHECK, PERHAPS THE CITY ATTORNEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO CHIME IN IF THAT PORTION OF CHESTNUT STREET WOULD BE TREATED THE SAME AS THE PARKING AREA.
THERE ARE PARKING SPOTS RIGHT THERE.
UM, MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE THE PLANNING MANAGER WAS ACT, THERE'S A SPECIFIC, A PROJECT SPECIFIC CONDITION IN THERE THAT ADDRESSES THE STREET.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THE STANDARD CONDITION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WOULD REF WOULD ADDRESS THE PARKING LOT.
BUT ON PAGE 15, WHICH I BELIEVE THE COUNTY MANAGER MENTIONED PROJECT SPECIFIC CONDITION NUMBER NINE TALKS ABOUT RESEALING EVERY STRIPING, HOWEVER, IT DOES NOT EXPRESSLY REQUIRE THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE.
SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THE COMMISSION MAY WANT TO ADDRESS IF THIS GOES FORWARD.
I I WANTED TO JUST ASK A QUESTION REALLY QUICK ON THAT BECAUSE WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS THAT AFTER THE CONDITION IS SATISFIED IN THE RESOLUTION, THEN IT BECOMES A MATTER OF CODE ENFORCEMENT.
IT ISN'T THAT THERE ISN'T ANY LIABILITY FOR THE CONDITION OF THE STREET.
IT IS THAT IT IS NO LONGER A CONTRACTUAL LIABILITY, IT BECOMES A COURT ENFORCEMENT LIABILITY ISSUE.
THIS WOULD BE A PROPERTY MAINTENANCE ISSUE, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PROPERTY MAINTENANCE.
AND IT WOULD APPLY TO THE RESIDENCES TO THE NORTH IF THEY WEREN'T MAINTAINING THEIR STREET AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THEY'D BE CONSIDERED THE SAME AND IT WOULD GO THROUGH A CODE ENFORCEMENT PROCESS.
AND CITATIONS DON'T REQUIRE FILING A LAWSUIT LIKE A CONTRACT LIABILITY ISSUE.
CORRECT? AM I CORRECT? CITY MISS CITY ATTORNEY.
SO IT WOULD JUST BE, THAT'S CORRECT.
ONCE IT'S BEING ENFORCED BY CODE ENFORCEMENT, THERE'S A CITATION ISSUED UPON.
IT, AND WE HAVE ENFORCEMENT OVER THAT E EVEN AS A PRIVATE ROAD,
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WHETHER OR NOT IT'S CONDITIONED OR NOT, BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE PROPERTY AND SO THEY'RE REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN THE PRIVATE PROPERTY.I MEAN, I, I, WHAT I'M GETTING AT I, IT'S PROBABLY OBVIOUS IS A STARBUCKS, I WOULD IMAGINE DOESN'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTY BEING A MESS.
AND WE CAN ASSUME THAT, BUT WE CAN ALSO PROTECT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY AS BEST AS POSSIBLE AND ASSUMING THE WORST CASE SCENARIO, IT'S JUST THE CRUX OF THIS IS THE PRIVATE ROAD AND YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE RESIDENTS THAT I THINK NATURALLY ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, FEEL A CERTAIN WAY ABOUT STARBUCKS AND STARBUCKS, YOU KNOW, POINT THE FINGER MAYBE BACK AT THE RESIDENCE AND IT'S YOU, IT'S YOUR WEAR AND TEAR THAT'S CAUSING, YOU KNOW, THE ROAD TO BE THIS WAY AND WHEN IT, AND SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CITY TO HELP, YOU KNOW, MEDIATE THAT IN, IN ANY WAY THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN PREEMPTIVELY INSTEAD OF REACTIONARY.
UM, SO MICHAEL, WE WRITE IN ASSUMING, OR LIKE AM I RIGHT IN HEARING THAT IF THAT ROAD ON CHESTNUT BECOMES AN ISSUE FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, UM, WE'D STILL, THE CITY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO KIND OF HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT? YES, JUST LIKE ANYWHERE, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY, WE COULD HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT GO OUT, WRITE A LETTER, WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER, GET IT RESOLVED.
SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY THE RESIDENTS ON CHESTNUT.
ANYBODY ELSE? UM, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ? DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES, I DID.
COMMISSIONER CARDENA OR COMMISSIONER ROJAS? I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE STUDY BASED ON HOW MANY CARS MAXIMUM ARE TYPICALLY IN THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT WAS BASED ON THE STARBUCKS, THE OTHER STARBUCKS WITHIN THE CITY OF LA HARBOR, THAT 13 NUMBER, UH, WE HAD THEM STUDY VARIOUS STARBUCKS, I COULD TELL YOU WHICH ONE THAT WAS.
I ALWAYS LOVE WHEN THEY DO THAT, LIKE NORCO
SO WHEN WE DO STUDIES, WE HAVE COMPARABLE SITES, IN THIS CASE STARBUCKS, WE HAVE THEM LOOK AT VARIOUS STARBUCKS FROM AROUND AREAS THAT ARE SIMILAR LAYOUT, SIMILAR KIND OF STREETS.
AND THAT'S HOW WE DO THE STUDIES.
SO AT LEAST WE KNOW WHAT ARE THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS TO THIS STARBUCKS AND MICHAEL, THAT THAT'S, I MEAN, FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S SOUNDS LIKE A, A STRANGE THING I THINK FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR.
UM, BUT THAT'S CONSISTENTLY THE CASE.
WHETHER WE'RE HERE TONIGHT LOOKING AT A COSTCO GAS STATION OR AN IN AND OUT THAT WE WOULD SIT HERE AND WE WOULD HEAR, YOU KNOW, STUDIES REFERENCED FROM, THERE'S A SIMILAR IN AND OUT IN THE SIMILAR TYPE OF AREA IN BALDWIN PARK.
AND IT CAN SEEM WEIRD, LIKE WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST LOOK AT THE STARBUCKS, YOU KNOW, ON, IN HACIENDA AND BEACH OR ON BEACH IN WHITTIER.
BUT YOU, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT DIFFERENTLY TRYING TO FIND A, A BETTER COMPARABLE FIT THAN JUST THE ONE THAT HAPPENS TO BE IN LA HABRA.
ORIGINALLY WE WERE TRYING TO FIND STARBUCKS WITH DUAL LANE DRIVE-THROUGHS AND WE JUST WEREN'T FINDING THEM.
SO THEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT, WELL WHAT OTHER STARBUCKS CAN HOLD THIS KIND OF CAPACITY? AND THAT'S WHAT LED US TO OTHER STARBUCKS.
WE'LL DO THAT WITH IN AND OUT A HABIT, YOU KNOW.
SO NOT NECESSARILY NECESSARILY BASED ON PROXIMITY, MOSTLY NEC BASED ON OUT FRAMEWORK AND JUST THE OUTLINE OF THE ACTUAL PARCEL AND THE TYPE OF STARBUCKS.
SO THIS IS A DIFFERENT STARBUCKS COMPARED TO THE OTHER ONES IN THE CITY IN THAT THERE IS NO RESTAURANT YOU CAN GO INSIDE, RIGHT? THIS IS STRICTLY DRIVE-THRU.
SO IT HAS TO BE EXACTLY THE SAME.
SO THE COMPARISON WAS TO ANOTHER DRIVE-THRU WHERE THERE WAS ALSO NO RESTAURANT THAT YOU COULD GO INSIDE.
WOULD THAT BE, IS THAT ACCURATE? WELL, I DON'T THINK THESE HAD THE DUAL DRIVE THROUGHS 'CAUSE WE COULDN'T FIND ANY, BUT THERE WAS NO RESTAURANTS GOING THERE.
BUT IT WAS STILL SIMILAR IN THAT THE LAYOUT OF THE STARBUCKS, THE BUSINESS I GUESS PER SE IS YOU COULDN'T GO INSIDE.
SO YOU'RE STILL HAVING THAT, IT'S JUST A DRIVE THROUGH BASICALLY.
THANK YOU CHAIRMAN MANLEY, IF I MAY, I'VE GOT THE PAGE OPEN FROM THE QUEING ANALYSIS AND THEY STUDIED LAGUNA WOODS THAT HAS A 783 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH A NINE VEHICLE DRIVE THROUGH CAPACITY IN GARDEN GROVE.
THEY STUDIED ONE THAT HAS A 1200 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, WHICH IS THE SAME OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING TONIGHT WITH AN 11 VEHICLE DRIVE THROUGH CAPACITY AND A 10 SPACE PARKING SUPPLY IN LA PALMA.
IT WAS AN 850 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING WITH A NINE VEHICLE DRIVE THROUGH CAPACITY AND 11 SPACES OF PARKING.
SO ALL VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING TONIGHT WHEN ALL OF THOSE IN THIS STUDY HAD A SMALLER QUEUE THAN WE HAVE HERE CONSIDERABLY.
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COMMISSIONER CARDENAS, ANYTHING? NO.MICHAEL SONIA, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UM, I THINK AT THIS TIME WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT WISHES TO BEGIN WITH.
WE'LL HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ITEM IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE TO DO SO.
IF YOU COULD JUST STATE AND SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.
UH, RODNEY ANI, UH, SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF PROPERTY OWNERSHIP.
UH, AND THAT'S SPELLED R-O-D-N-E-Y, LAST NAME RIV AS IN VICTOR, A NI.
SO, UH, I WAS GONNA START WITH MY PRESENTATION AND THERE WAS SOME FEW QUESTIONS REGARDING THE QUEUING ANALYSIS.
UH, SO THIS EVENING WE ACTUALLY HAVE UH, DEAN WITH LSA WHO IS OUR, UH, TRAFFIC ENGINEER THAT WE RETAINED AS WELL.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL HIM UP TO SPEAK, UM, A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND PROVIDE MORE DETAILS IN REGARDS TO THE QUEUING ANALYSIS THAT HE CONDUCTED.
AND THEN, UH, I'LL RESUME, UH, WITH MY PRESENTATION.
YOU GOT ABOUT FOUR MINUTES LEFT, SO GO.
DO YOU WANT ME TO REHASH WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED? UH, YEAH, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.
DEAN ISABEL WITH LSA TRAFFIC CONSULTANT TO THE PROJECT.
UM, AS MENTIONED, I PURVEYED THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH QUEUING ANALYSIS FOR THE PROJECT.
UM, THIS PROCESS STARTED IN ABOUT NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER.
UM, WE WERE CONTACTED BY THE APPLICANT, UM, WE COORDINATED WITH MICHAEL PLOTNICK CITY'S TRAFFIC MANAGER ON WHAT WE WERE GONNA STUDY.
UM, WE DECIDED WE WERE GONNA DO SIX DAYS OF SURVEYS, THREE SITES TWO DAYS AT EACH SITE.
UM, ONE BEING A WEEKDAY AND ONE BEING A SUNDAY.
UM, SO WE DID LOOK AT WEEKDAY AND WEEKEND CONDITIONS BASED ON THE AFOREMENTIONED SITES.
UM, WE FOUND A MAX OF 13 CARS AND THAT WAS ONLY FOR LIKE A FIVE MINUTE INCREMENT OVER THE SIX DAYS.
UM, THE AVERAGE QUEUE I SHOULD MENTION, UM, I'M NOT SURE IF I PUT THAT EXPLICITLY IN THE, IN THE STUDY, BUT MOST OF THE QUEUES WERE IN THE EIGHT TO NINE VEHICLE RANGE.
UM, SO THAT'S EVEN LESS THAN WHAT WE SAW.
AGAIN, THE MAX WAS 13 CARS OVER A FIVE MINUTE INCREMENT OVER THE SIX, THE SIX DAYS OF SURVEY.
SO, UM, 17 CARS, UM, IN THE DRIVE THROUGH CONFIGURATION.
ABSOLUTELY THERE SHOULD BE PLENTY OF STACKING FOR THIS.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT MEASURES THAT HAVE BEEN FULLY, UH, DISCUSSED THE FIVE ITEMS TO, TO KIND OF PREVENT ANY QUEUING ISSUES ONTO CHESTNUT OR EVEN WHITTIER.
UM, IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THERE'S ADEQUATE ONSITE BARKING, UM, STACKING, YOU CAN EVEN STACK SIX ADDITIONAL CARS COMING IN FROM WHITTIER SIX PLUS THE SEVENTEENS 2323 OVER THE 13.
THAT'S PLENTY OF STACKING IN MY OPINION.
CAN WE, DO WE HAVE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THE TIME? EACH SPEAKER HAS FIVE MINUTES, HOWEVER YOU CAN ALLOW ADDITIONAL TIME AS THE CHAIR.
I THINK TO BE FAIR TO THE APPLICANT, I I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
UM, 'CAUSE I'M GONNA MONOPOLIZE SOME OF THE TIME AND ASK A QUESTION.
THE Q ANALYSIS THAT YOU GUYS CONDUCT, DOES THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION LIKE THE LOCATION OF LIKE MENU BOARDS, ORDER, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ORDER, WHATEVER KIOSK, UM, DOES THAT IMPACT LIKE YOUR ANALYSIS AT ALL? ARE WE JUST COUNTING CARS? LIKE I FEEL LIKE THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THE PUZZLE? IT, IT, IT IS PART OF THE PUZZLE, BUT THE QUEUES, UM, THEY, THEY CAN BE MEASURED FROM, FROM ANY POINT, FROM FROM WHERE YOU PICK UP TO THE, THE, UM, THE UH, MENU BOARD OR TO THE BACK OF THE QUEUE.
BUT FOR ANY ONE OF THE SITES, THE MAX WAS, WAS 13, NEVER MORE THAN 13 CARS, NEVER MORE THAN 13 ON ALL THOSE DIFFERENT OCCASIONS.
YOU GUYS HAVE QUESTIONS OF HIM? GET BACK TO MR. ANI.
GO AHEAD MR ANI, WE'LL GIVE YOU AN EXTRA 10 SECONDS.
UH, WELL, SO I'LL JUST, WITH THE LIMITED TIME I'LL RUN THROUGH THE PRESENTATION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ALL SEEN THE EXISTING ELKS LODGE BUILDING.
UH, THIS IS A PICTURE OF WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE AND, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE, UH, THIS IS A BUILDING RENDERING OF WHAT, UH, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IS GONNA LOOK BETTER.
JUST TURN THE MIC A LITTLE BIT SO WE PICK YOU UP BETTER.
UM, AND THIS IS A, UH, A RENDERING OF THE BUILDING DESIGN OF WHAT'S PROPOSED, UH, AT THE PROPERTY.
UH, SO I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE IF SONIA MENTIONED, UM, THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE, UM, THE HEIGHT OF PRIVACY WITH THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY TO THE NORTH AND OF COURSE, OKAY.
YEAH, THE RED POINTERS DON'T WORK.
UM, SO THE LANDSCAPE HEDGE ALONG NORTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS GONNA BE EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT TO PROVIDE COMPLETE PRIVACY BETWEEN
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THE TWO PROPERTIES.UM, LOOKS LIKE SONIA COVERED THESE.
SO ONE OF THE, THE CONVERSATION POINTS AT THE LAST HEARING WAS CAN WE PROVIDE SIGNAGE AT THE WHITTIER BOULEVARD DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE? AND WE WERE GONNA PROPOSE A NEW SIX FOOT TALL, UH, MONUMENT SIGN.
AND THE LOCATION OF THAT IS GOING TO BE AT THE, UH, ENTRANCE OF THE WHITTIER BOULEVARD ENTRY ON THE EAST SIDE.
AND THE FUNCTION OF THAT MONUMENT SIGN IS GONNA BE TO DIRECT CUSTOMERS TO UTILIZE THE WHITTIER BOULEVARD DRIVEWAY.
MR. ANI, YOU THINK YOU COULD FINISH IN THREE MINUTES? I THINK SO.
UM, SO THE FUNCTION OF THE DUAL LANE DRIVE THROUGH AT THE PROPERTY IS GONNA BE TO EXPEDITE ORDERS FASTER.
UH, MOST OF THE COMPARISON STARBUCKS ONLY HAVE ONE MENU BOARD, SO IT TAKES LONGER FOR STARBUCKS TO FACILITATE THOSE QUEUES.
WE'LL BE ABLE TO EXPEDITE ORDERS FASTER AT THE PROPERTY.
I DID REVIEW, UM, THE OTHER DRIVE-THROUGH QUEUES IN THE CITY OF LAHABRA AND, UH, COUNTED WHAT THEIR QUEUING STACK WAS.
OUR PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF LAHABRA WITH REGARD TO STARBUCKS IS GOING TO HAVE THE LARGEST QUEUE, UH, BETWEEN OUR PROPERTY AND THE OTHER FOUR COMPARISON STARBUCKS PROPERTIES.
I THINK THE, THE SECOND HIGHEST BEHIND OURS WOULD HAVE 13 AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, UH, BEACH AND WHITTIER BOULEVARD.
UH, ANOTHER IMPORTANT, UH, NOTE THAT I'D LIKE TO MENTION IS STARBUCKS IS BASICALLY CONSIDERING THIS A TWEENER STORE.
SO THERE IS THE EXISTING LOCATION AT BEACH AND WHITTIER AND THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER LOCATION AT LA HARBOR AND HARBOR.
SO THOSE ARE ONE MILE AND 1.6 MILES RESPECTIVELY FROM OUR LOCATION.
SO THERE IS GONNA BE SOME CANNIBALIZATION OF SALES AND THEY'RE NOT EXPECTING THE SAIL AT THIS LOCATION TO BE AS BUSY.
SO DEAN JUST, UH, TOUCHED ON THE LSA TRAFFIC ENGINEERING AND UH, MICHAEL PLOTNICK HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
SO I I I WON'T REITERATE THAT AND I JUST SPOKE TO PEACH WHITTIER.
UM, YEAH, SO I'LL, I'LL JUST CONCLUDE WITH, UM, FROM THE INITIAL DESIGN OF THE PROPERTY, OUR INTENTION HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO OVERBUILD THE DRIVE-THROUGH QUEUING HERE.
UH, WE COULD HAVE ABSOLUTELY GONE WITH, UH, A DRIVE-THROUGH LANE THAT WOULD'VE TED ABOUT 11 TO 13 VEHICLES, BUT THE INTENT WAS TO OVERBUILD AND PROVIDE THE 17 VEHICLES TO ENSURE THAT OUR PROPERTY WILL ACCOMMODATE THE REQUISITE VEHICLES INSIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINES.
UH, SO I'LL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION AND UH, BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSIONERS MAY HAVE.
YEAH, I THINK IN THE INTEREST CITY ATTORNEY, IN THE INTEREST OF JUST THE CONTINUING THE PUBLIC HEARING, MAYBE WE JUST CONTINUE THAT AND THEN IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS FROM THE COMMISSIONER TO REVISIT WITH THE APPLICANT, WE CAN DO SO AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
WOULD THAT BE FAIR? UM, IT'S IN YOUR DISCRETION WHEN YOU WANNA ASK THE APPLICANT QUESTIONS CHAIR, BUT YOU CAN DO IT NOW OR WAIT UNTIL AFTER YOU HEAR RESIDENT COMMENTS, BUT STILL AS PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
ANYBODY ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT? OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED, UM, ITEM.
AGAIN, IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, JUST PLEASE COME FORWARD AND IF YOU COULD JUST STATE AND SPELL YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.
I, THEY DID PROVIDE SPEAKERS CARDS AHEAD OF TIME.
WE HAVE SEVEN SPEAKERS, UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE DID NOT GIVE ME THEIR SPEAKERS CARD.
UM, I CAN CALL THEM ONE AT A TIME.
IF YOU DIDN'T TURN IN A SPEAKER CARD, YOU CAN DO THAT WHILE WE HEAR FROM THE FIRST SEVEN.
AND IF YOU WANT VERONICA JUST TO BEGIN CALLING THEM, THAT'D BE GREAT.
UM, JESUS, YOU BEING CHAIR COMMISSIONERS.
I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ATTEND IT, BUT HERE WE GO.
I WAS PAYING THE HOUSE, SO THAT'S KIND.
I GOT A LITTLE BIT OF WHITE ON MY HAIR AND I DON'T GOT BIFOCALS AS I REFUSE TO SAY I'M OLD.
DO WE HAVE A PRESENTATION? DO WE HAVE, YES.
DO WE HAVE ANYTHING FROM YOU HERE IN FRONT OF US? YES YOU DO.
SO THE ONLY THING I DID PUT DOWN IS STARBUCKS PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
AND THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE LEGAL.
SO THE FIRST THING I HAVE IS, THE MAIN THING FOR US WOULD BE THE LEGAL ASPECT OF IT.
IT IS A PRIVATE STREET FROM WHITTIER ALL THE WAY TO THE BACK.
HOW IS IT IF A CASE, THERE'S A CAR ACCIDENT, WHICH IN THE PAST WE HAD A PERSON MAKE A U-TURN AT THE VERY END OF THE STREET AND HIT THE ONE OF THE FENCES, RESIDENT FENCES.
AND OF COURSE THAT DIDN'T GO VERY WELL, BUT TRIPPING, FALLING, ANYTHING LIKE THAT, HOW'S THIS GONNA BE ADDRESSED NOW THAT STARBUCKS IS MOVING IN?
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SO FOR LEGAL, YOU KNOW THE VERY WELL THAT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF ATTORNEY YOU HAVE, WHO DO YOU KNOW AND EVERYTHING AND HOW IT WORKS.SO OUR CONCERN IS ACCIDENTS AGAIN, U-TURNS TRIPPING OR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT HAPPEN.
HOW'S THAT GONNA TAKE CARE OF US IN THE LONG RUN? BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE A GOOD ATTORNEY, YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY SOMETHING HAPPENED DOWN THE STREET AND WE'RE ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
IT CAN HAPPEN NOW, BUT WHEN THERE'S A CORPORATION INVOLVED, THINGS HAPPEN DIFFERENTLY.
THE OTHER THING THAT I I REALLY LIKE TO SAY IS I, MYSELF AND SOME OF THE RESIDENTS, WE ACTUALLY SAY, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A BIG QUOTE, CORPORATION MOVING IN AND WE HAVE ENOUGH STARBUCKS, WE HAVE NOT ONCE SAID, WE'RE POSING THE STARBUCKS.
WE CAN CONTINUE TO ASK THE OWNER AND EVERYTHING TO NOT HAVE EXIT AN ENTRANCE ON CHESTNUT STREET.
OUR MAIN CONCERN ON THAT ONE IS GONNA BE EMERGENCY ACCESS.
AS PLANNING COMMISSION STATED EARLIER, IF A CASE I DRIVE UP A CHESTNUT AND EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN TO A STARBUCKS KNOWS, ESPECIALLY THE ONE THAT HE, UM, RONNIE MENTIONED ON BEACH AND WHITTIER, THEY HAVE CONES.
THEY'RE NOT APPLIED, THEY HAVE MINIMAL STAFF THERE.
WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT, GETTING THE COFFEE OUT OR GO STRAIGHT OUTTA CONE.
IF I'M A MANAGER, GET THE COFFEE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE CONE.
SO AS FAR AS THAT, IF A PERSON DRIVES UP CHESTNUT, NO MATTER WHAT, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE A U-TURN IF IT'S CLOSED OR NOT.
SO THAT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT'S OPEN OR NOT.
AND A MATTER OF FACT, IT MIGHT EVEN IMPOSE MORE IF IT'S OPEN BECAUSE IF I'M A, I'M A, I'M NOT SAY TYPICAL STARBUCKS DRIVER, I'M IN THERE, I WANT TO GET IN LINE, I'LL CUT IN LINE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, I MIGHT FLIP A BIRD, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE CUPCAKE OR SOMETHING.
HEY, SORRY I CUT YOU IN LINE, BUT I GOT MY STARBUCKS.
THE SECOND THING IS WE DO HAVE, WE'VE ASKED, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'RE ASKING AS RESIDENTS, BUT I'M A LITTLE BIT KIND OF LOOKING BACK AT THE WHOLE PICTURE WHEN MCDONALD'S WAS REMODELED WHEN YOU GUYS ACTUALLY APPROVED THE RESIDENTS ON THE OLD STEVE'S CHEVROLET BUILDING, AND A LOT OF NEW BUSINESSES HAVE ENTERED THE LITTLE STRIP MALLS AND ADDED MORE VEHICLES, THE LONGEST STRETCH OF A INTERSECTION FROM A LIGHT TO A LIGHT IS CYPRUS ALL THE WAY TO HARBOR.
NO ONE'S CONDUCTED A STUDY THAT WE NEED, ANOTHER TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE.
HOW ARE WE AS RESIDENTS GONNA GET OUT? AND CURRENTLY, AS I PUT DOWN RIGHT HERE, YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF, OF STREETS THAT PEOPLE ARE NOT AWARE OF.
NORTH AND SOUTH OF CHESTNUT, STONE, WOOD, STONE, WOODS ONLY EXITING GOING SOUTH MAPLE STREET, ONLY EXITING, GOING NORTH.
SO THEN AGAIN, NOW WE'RE ADDING THE MAGNOLIA RESIDENCE.
SO AS WE'RE ADDING ALL THIS, THAT STRIP IS JUST GONNA GET MORE TIGHTER AND TIGHTER.
RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY, I CERTAIN NOW WHERE WE CAN EVEN PULL INTO OUR OWN STREET OR EXIT.
SO THE THING IS, I WANNA MAKE SURE I STILL OPPOSE AND DO NOT APPROVE THE EXTER ENTRANCE ON CHESTNUT.
THEREFORE, AS A RESIDENCE, WE DO NOT OPPOSE THE BUILDING OF STARBUCKS AS A BIG CORPORATION.
AND ITS REPUTATION OF JUST PLANTING AND NOT BEING CONSIDERATE, IMPACTED.
IT CAUSES JUST WANT TO ENSURE THAT ACCIDENTS ARE PREVENTED, HAVE OUR MINIMAL LIFESTYLE CHANGE, A MINIMAL LIFESTYLE CHANGE TO US, RIGHT? NO NOISE IMPACT, EXHAUST, SMELL TRAFFIC, AND ALL CONSIDERING THE ISSUES IS OVERLOOKING ALL THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON OTHER STREETS.
SO ALL I'M ASKING IS, IT'S VERY SIMPLE TO COME UP HERE AND TALK, BUT PUT YOURSELF IN OUR SHOES.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS VERY MINIMAL.
HELLO, MY NAME'S TOM TOWNSEND.
UH, ME AND MY WIFE KATHY HAVE OWNED THE APARTMENTS NORTH OF THE PROJECT SINCE 1982.
UH, WE, UH, WE ARE AGAINST THE STARBUCKS PROJECT THAT WE BELIEVE SOME CONDITIONS THAT HAVE WERE PROPOSED TO RODNEY,
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MR. RODNEY, IN ORDER TO FULLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT.THESE CONDITIONS INCLUDE CLOSING THE CHESTNUT ENTRY AND EXIT INTO STARBUCKS, STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING.
AND TWO, TO PROVIDE A, A NEW MY EYES AREN'T RIGHT BLOCK WALL BETWEEN OUR PROPERTIES.
THAT WOULD INCLUDE A CUSTOM GATE ON OUR SIDE BECAUSE OUR GATE, UH, EXISTING GATE IS ATTACHED TO THE WALL, SO IT WON'T, IT WON'T FIT IN COMMUNICATION WITH RODNEY.
UH, THESE CONDITIONS WERE NOT IN A FULLY MET, SO THEREFORE WE CANNOT SUPPORT THE STARBUCKS PROJECT.
REGARDING ELIMINATING THE CHESTNUT STREET ENTRY EXIT WAS BROUGHT UP SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS AT THE APRIL MEETING.
ADDITIONALLY DETAILED, WE WILL PROVIDE TONIGHT BY OTHER CHESTNUT STREET OWNERS, RESIDENTS, MY WIFE AND CA MY WIFE KATHY, WILL ADDRESS THE BLOCK WALL FROM THERE ON OUT.
UM, AND I WANNA ADDRESS THE NORTHERN PERIMETER WALL, UM, THAT OUR PROPERTY SHARES WITH THE STARBUCKS PROPOSED PROPERTY.
UH, WE ARE LAHABRA BUSINESS OWNERS WHO HAVE LIVED ON THE PROPERTY FOR 40 PLUS YEARS AND RENT OUT TWO ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS AT THE PUBLIC CLEARING IN APRIL.
I BROUGHT UP OUR CONCERN WITH THE NEGATIVE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OURSELVES, OUR TENANTS, AND OUR RENTAL BUSINESS DUE TO THE INCREASED NOISE LEVELS, VEHICLE EMISSIONS, ET CETERA.
SEVERAL COMMISSIONERS AT THAT MEETING RECOMMENDED CONSIDERING A CONDITION TO ALLOW THE NORTHERN PER PERIMETER WALL TO BE INCREASED FROM SIX FEET TO EIGHT FEET.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENT OWNERS, INCLUDING OURSELVES AND MR. ANI, THE PROPERTY OWNER APPLICANT.
MR. ANI AT ONE POINT AGREED TO INCREASE THE WALL TO EIGHT FEET, WHICH WE AGREED TO.
IN ADDITION TO REPLACING OUR GATE, THE TOWNSENDS, IN FACT, AGREED TO THE WALL.
IF, REGARDLESS OF THE CONCERN OF OUR CONCERNS, THE ONLY RESOLUTION TO WAS TO DEMO THE CURRENT WALL AND ERECT A NEW EIGHT, UH, FOOT BLOCK WALL, UM, TO REDUCE NOISE AND REDUCE THE LEVELS OF EMISSION.
UH, WE THEN RECEIVED ANOTHER COMMUNICATION FROM MR. ANI THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO INCREASE, UH, ADD A NEW BLOCK WALL, BUT INSTEAD HE WAS GOING TO ADD ON TO THE EXISTING 60-YEAR-OLD WALL.
UH, TOM AND I WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF BUILDING ON TOP OF A 60-YEAR-OLD WALL.
SO NOW, AS OF NOVEMBER 17TH, MR. ANI HAS AGREED TO REPLACE THE ENTIRE WALL WITH A SIX FOOT WALL AND A NEW CUSTOM GATE.
NOW, AS NOTED BY THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE IMPORTANT DRIVE-THROUGH POINTS, WHICH NOTE THAT STARBUCKS PROPERTY INCLUDES A DUAL LANE DRIVEWAY, SO TWO LANES WITH TWO OUTDOOR MENU SPEAKER BOARDS.
ADDITIONALLY, THAT PROPERTY WILL INCLUDE THE LARGEST DRIVE-THROUGH LANE QUEUE STACKING FOR STARBUCKS IN THE CITY OF LAHABRA, WHICH CAN ACCOMMODATE UP TO 17 VEHICLES IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANES AND ACCOMMODATE UP TO 23 VEHICLES ON THE PROPERTY.
THESE ITEMS REPRESENT THE POTENTIAL VEHICLE VOLUME AND ARE EXACTLY THE REASON THAT THE TOWNSENDS AS THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THE STARBUCKS DEVELOPMENT, CANNOT FULLY SUPPORT THE PROJECT.
WE BELIEVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR US AND OUR TENANTS WILL SUFFER DUE TO THE CLOSE PROXIMITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT TO OUR RESIDENCES.
THIS CONCERN CONTINUES TO BE JUST WHAT THE IMPORTANT DRIVE-THROUGH POINTS.
NOTE IN HAVING DUAL DRIVE-THROUGH LANES, DUAL OUTDOOR MENU BOARDS AND UP TO 17 VEHICLES IN THE QUEUES, SPEWING VEHICLE EMISSIONS WITH ADDITIONAL NOISE OF IDLING VEHICLES AND TWO MENU BOARDS GOING AT ANY ONE TIME.
ALL THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 13 FEET FROM OUR LIVING RESIDENCES.
WE HOPE A WALL WILL MITIGATE OUR CONCERNS AND WE ASK FOR AN EIGHT FOOT WALL BE BUILT, INCLUDING REPLACING OUR CUSTOM GATE THAT IS CURRENTLY ATTACHED TO THE EXISTING WALL.
WE ORIGINALLY AGREED TO A SEVEN FOOT SEVEN, SIX, OR EXCUSE ME, A SIX FOOT, SIX INCH WALL.
BUT AFTER FURTHER REVIEW AND RESEARCH, WE ASK TO HAVE AN EIGHT FOOT WALL.
WE UNDERSTAND THAT INCREASING THE WALL HEIGHTS REQUIRES A VARIANCE APPLICATION THAT COMES WITH A COST TO THE APPLICANT.
IN REVIEWING THE STAFF REPORT INFORMATION, IT STATES THE STAFF PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THEY'LL REQUIRE FINDINGS FOR A VARIANCE FOR A WALL HIGHER THAN SIX SIX HIGH CANNOT BE MADE FOR THIS PROJECT.
WE ASK WHY WE BELIEVE THAT THE FACT THAT OUR RESIDENTS AND RENTAL BUSINESS IS A MERE 13 FEET FROM THE PROJECT WARRANTS THAT IT
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IS AN EXCEPTIONAL AND EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCE TO ALLOW FOR THE VARIANCE.WE ASK THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TAKE OUR REAL LIFE CONCERNS WITH OUR QUALITY OF LIFE AND PRIVACY TO REQUIRE AN EIGHT FOOT NORTHERN PERIMETER BLOCK WALL.
ADDITIONALLY, SINCE I NOW KNOW I HAVE FIVE MINUTES, UM, I ALSO WANTED TO ADD TO ABOUT, UM, THE NOISE IMPACT REPORT, WHICH I'VE READ THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT TIMES, AND IT INCLUDES, UH, THE, IT IT INCLUDES RELATED NOISE SOURCES TO BE, UM, VENTILATION AC SYSTEMS AND THE, AND THE DRIVE THROUGH SPEAKER SYSTEMS. THE STUDY DID NOT REFERENCE THE POTENTIAL OF 17 VEHICLES IDLING IN THE QUEUE, WHY THEY WAIT THEIR ORDERS, UH, AND, UH, AND WAITING IN LINE.
I ALSO WANTED TO ADD THAT THE NOISE STUDY STATES THEY PUT A RECEIVER FOR THEIR STUDY AT OUR RESIDENT AT 8 29 CHESTNUT STREET, AT THE PRI AT OUR PRIVATE OUTDOOR LIVING AREA, BACKYARD FACING THE SITE.
WE DO NOT RECALL A COMPANY ASKING PERMISSION TO ENTER OUR BACKYARD LIVING AREA IN ORDER TO PLACE A RECEIVER FOR THE STUDY.
WE HAVE A SIX FOOT PRIVATE GATE.
WE NEVER ASKED PERMISSION TO ENTER THE PROPERTY TO PLACE A RECEIVER FOR THE STUDY.
THIS IS VERY CONCERNING TO US.
WE DO NOT BELIEVE THE NOYCE STUDY FAIRLY OR ACCURATELY REPRESENTS THE AMOUNT OF NOISE THAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE GENERATED FOR THIS STARBUCKS PRO, UM, PROJECT.
CAN I SAY ONE OTHER THING? BECAUSE I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT SOMETHING WAS NOTED THAT THE RESIDENTS HAD SPOKEN TO THE OWNERS OF THE 6 0 1 EAST WHITTIER BOULEVARD MEDICAL BUILDING AND THAT WE'VE BEEN KEEPING THEM IN THE LOOP.
I I ONLY SPOKE TO MY OPTOMETRIST WHO HAS A SUITE THERE, SO WE NEVER TALKED TO THE OWNER.
SO IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD WANNA ASK MR. ANI IF HE'S HAD THAT CONVERSATION.
UM, AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN HERE AND WAITING PATIENTLY.
YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF EVERYONE'S WELLBEING, I I'M GONNA CALL FOR A FIVE MINUTE RECESS SO THAT IF WE NEED TO GET TO THE RESTROOM OR JUST STRETCH OUR LEGS, WE CAN DO SO.
I MEAN, THIS IS EVERYONE'S LIVELIHOODS AND WELLBEING.
I DON'T WANNA JUST RUSH THROUGH THIS JUST TO RUSH THROUGH IT.
I THINK WE CAN SURVIVE FIVE MINUTES LATER THIS EVENING.
SO WITH THAT, UM, WE'LL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 7 55.
WE WILL, UH, WE'LL RESUME, WE'LL GET BACK ON THE RECORD AND IF WE COULD PLEASE CALL OUR NEXT SPEAKER, DEANNE ZAMARANO.
MY NAME IS DEANNE ZAMARANO, Z-A-M-O-R-A-N-O.
AND I AM THE MOST NEWEST RECENT RESIDENT, UM, AT THE CHESTNUT ESTATES.
WE HAD MOVED THERE ORIGINALLY BECAUSE IT WAS A PRIVATE ROAD, QUIET, VERY MINIMAL TRAFFIC.
AND I JUST WANT TO VOICE MY CONCERN TODAY BECAUSE WITH THE STARBUCKS, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF THE OPPOSITE WHERE IT BRINGS IN MORE TRAFFIC AND LIKE MY OTHER NEIGHBORS WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC AND THE SAFETY OF OURSELVES AND FOR OTHER PEOPLE COMING IN
UM, AND ALSO I WANTED TO BRING UP SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY MINIMAL TALKED ABOUT EARLIER IS IN REGARDS TO THE DAMAGE TO THE STREET.
I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION DOES START, UH, THERE'S GONNA BE BIG TRUCKS PROBABLY FOR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER CONSTRUCTION THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE.
AND OUR STREET'S REALLY NARROW.
AND I, I TALKED TO RODNEY ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, VERY BRIEFLY OF WHERE ARE THEY GONNA PARK? ARE THEY GONNA BE GOING IN OUR STREET, OUT OUR STREET? IS THERE, ARE THEY GONNA MAKE U-TURNS? I WAS TOLD THAT THEY ARE INSTRUCTED NOT TO PARK, UM, ON OUR STREET OR IN FRONT OF OUR HOUSES.
UM, SO I'M JUST WASTING MY CONCERNS.
I I WAS JUST QUESTIONING WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY IS THE, UH, PLAN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT? UM, BECAUSE THAT WILL DEFINITELY PROBABLY DAMAGE OUR STREETS WITH THE, WITH THE BIG TRUCKS.
AND THEN ALSO I KNOW IT WASN'T, I MEAN, IT WAS BROUGHT UP BRI VERY BRIEFLY IN REGARDS TO, YEAH, IF THE STREET IS DAMAGED WITH THE ONGOING TRAFFIC, US RESIDENTS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE THE ONES TO PAY FOR IT WHEN ACTUALLY WE ALREADY PAID FOR IT A COUPLE YEARS AGO.
I WASN'T THERE YET, BUT MY NEIGHBORS ALREADY PAID FOR A NEW ROAD.
SO WITH THIS NEW ONCOMING TRAFFIC, IF ANYTHING WERE TO HAPPEN TO IT BECAUSE OF THAT, WE'RE AGAIN RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
SO I JUST WANT TO VOICE MY CONCERNS.
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YOU SO MUCH.MR. WOOD, I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMETHING UP HERE FROM YOU AS WELL, CORRECT? YES.
I LIVE AT NINE 40 CHESTNUT STREET.
I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION REGARDING THIS MATTER.
OUR GENERAL CONCERN HERE IS HOW THIS PROJECT MAY NEGATIVELY IMPACT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE ARE NOT AGAINST STARBUCKS, WE'RE AGAINST THE PERIPHERAL ISSUES THAT MAY OCCUR.
I WANNA READ SOMETHING THAT I RECEIVED.
NOW, WHEN I SAY STARBUCKS, IT MIGHT HAVE COME FROM RODNEY, BUT IT'S THE SAME THING.
THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEERS DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED DRIVE-THROUGH LANE FOR 17 VEHICLES WILL BE SUFFICIENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED THE ATTACHED QUEUING AND PARKING ANALYSIS THAT ANALYZES THE QUEUING FOR THREE COMPARATIVE SITES.
BASED ON THESE EXAMPLES, THE ANALYSIS CONCLUDED THAT OVERFLOW ONTO CHESTNUT STREET WILL BE UNLIKELY.
THEREFORE, THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER DOES NOT BELIEVE THERE IS A REASONABLE JUSTIFICATION TO REQUIRE THE APPLICANT TO CLOSE OFF THE DRIVEWAY ALONG CHESTNUT STREET.
MOREOVER, THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER WOULD PREFER THAT THE APPLICANT RETAIN AND OFFER THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY FOR PRIVATE USE BECAUSE SUCH A CLOSER MAY RESULT IN AN INCREASE IN UNSAFE U-TURNS FROM EASTBOUND DRIVERS ON WHITTIER.
IN THE EVENT THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH EXCEEDS 17 VEHICLES, THE APPLICANT IS EXPECTED, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A REAL STRONG WORD, BUT THAT'S WHAT'S IN THERE.
THE APPLICANT IS EXPECTED TO IMPLEMENT THE DRIVE-THROUGH MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THE CITY'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER ALSO RECOMMENDED A CONDITION OF APPROVAL REQUIRING AN EVALUATION OF THE DRIVE-THROUGH AND ONSITE CIRCULATION.
AFTER SIX MONTHS, HE INFORMED THE APPLICANT AND RESIDENTS THE SIX MONTHS WOULD NEED TO ALLOW TRAFFIC CONDITIONS TO NORMALIZE AFTER THE RESTAURANT OPENS.
SHOULD THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S EVALUATION REVEAL UNDUE IMPACTS WHICH REMAINS UNDEFINED ON CHESTNUT STREET.
AFTER SIX MONTHS, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED TO ALLOW THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY TO BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED EXCEPT FOR LIMITED ACCESS FOR THE CITY'S TRASH AND OR UTILITY SERVICE.
IN A SEPARATE DOCUMENT WE RECEIVED, IT STATED STARBUCKS CONDUCTED A PROJECT SALES REPORT AND FOUND THIS LOCATION IS NOT EXPECTED TO BE BUSY AS THERE'S A STARBUCKS LOCATED AT HARBOR AND EAST LA HARBOR BOULEVARD LESS THAN ONE MILE AWAY, AND A STARBUCKS LOCATED AT BEACH AND WHITTIER.
THAT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.6 MILES AWAY.
YOU'VE HEARD ALL THIS, IT'S WRITTEN.
NOW I'M GONNA REREAD AN IMPORTANT SENTENCE THAT I'M GONNA FOCUS ON.
SHOULD THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEERS EVALUATION REVEAL UNDUE IMPACTS ON CHESTNUT STREET AFTER SIX MONTHS, THE APPLICANT HAS AGREED, WHICH I'M ASSUMING IS STARBUCKS, TO ALLOW THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY TO BE PERMANENTLY CLOSED EXCEPT FOR LIMITED ACCESS FOR THE CITY'S TRASH AND OR UTILITY.
NOW, MY QUESTION ON THIS IS IF STARBUCKS IS WILLING TO CLOSE THE DRIVEWAY, IF THERE IS AN UNDUE IMPACT, AND I'D LIKE TO BE THE ONE TO DEFINE THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, WE CAN PUT IT IN THERE.
THIS TERM NEEDS A DEFINITION AFTER SIX MONTHS.
WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT THROUGH SIX MONTHS OF PROBLEMS FOR A SOLUTION? THE FACT THAT STARBUCKS IS WILLING TO CLOSE THE DRIVEWAY ONTO CHESTNUT STREET PERMANENTLY MEANS THEY KNOW THEY CAN OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS WITHOUT THAT DRIVEWAY IF THEY'RE WILLING TO CLOSE IT PERMANENTLY.
WELL, PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE STREET KNOW THE SOLUTION, CLOSE THE DRIVEWAY FROM OPENING DAY ONE.
STARBUCKS KNOWS FROM THE ABOVE QUOTES HOW TO SOLVE THE BACKUP PROBLEM, WHICH THEY CLAIM PROBABLY WILL NOT OCCUR WHEN ARGUING WOULD, WILL OCCUR.
BUT WHY NOT BE PROACTIVE AND CLOSE THE DRIVEWAY PRIOR TO THERE BEING PROBLEMS? NOW ANOTHER NOTE, SIDE NOTE THERE IS THAT AT ONE POINT RODNEY CLAIMED THAT AT THE CITY HALL MEETING I HAD AGREED TO ALLOW STARBUCKS TO HAVE THE CHESTNUT DRIVEWAY OPEN.
WHAT I SAID WAS, IF I WAS A BUSINESS OWNER, I WOULD WANT AS MUCH ACCESS TO MY BUSINESS AS POSSIBLE.
I'M OPPOSED TO THAT DRIVEWAY BEING OPEN.
IF THAT WAS CLOSED FOR BOTH IN AND OUT, MOST OF THE PROBLEMS THAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM US WOULD BE ELIMINATED.
AND THEN ONE LAST THING, UH, IT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT IF WE HAVE AN ISSUE, WE CAN CALL THE CITY.
THE CITY ISN'T A PERSON, THE CITY'S JUST A BUILDING.
IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT, WE NEED A NAME AND A PHONE NUMBER OF WHO WE CALL AND SAY, HEY, WE HAVE A PROBLEM DOWN HERE, AND GET SOMEBODY TO TAKE CARE OF IT.
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HAD THREE MINUTES, I WAS GONNA HAVE TO FLY THROUGH IT.ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU MR. WOOD, I APPRECIATE IT.
NEXT SPEAKER, LAUREL MARTINEZ.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY? HI, UH, THANK YOU CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS FOR WELCOMING US AND ALLOWING US TO ADDRESS YOU.
MY NAME IS LAUREL MARTINEZ AND I LIVE AT 9 6 1 CHESTNUT STREET WITH MY HUSBAND, 20.
YOU HAVE THE, UM, WE HAVE A COPY OF YOURS AND YOUR HUSBAND'S IN FRONT OF US.
I AM RESPONDING TO THE PHRASE THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY I HIGHLIGHTED AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY.
TONIGHT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE MENTION OF OUR CONCERNS REGARDING THE SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS HERE ON CHESTNUT, AS WELL AS THE SAFETY OF STARBUCKS CUSTOMERS AND EMPLOYEES.
AS YOU HAVE HEARD OR WILL HEAR, ALL OF THE RESIDENTS ARE ASKING THAT THE CHESTNUT STREET ENTRANCE AND EXIT FOR STARBUCKS NOT BE USED AT ALL IF ALLOWED TO BE IN USE, IT WILL NOT ONLY CREATE MUCH MORE TRAFFIC ON OUR STREET, WHICH IS A PRIVATE DEAD END STREET, BUT IT WILL ALSO BE A SAFETY ISSUE DUE TO THE DIFFICULTY OF TURNING LEFT ON WOODIER BOULEVARD.
AS ALL OF US WHO LIVE ON CHESTNUT KNOW, MAKING A LEFT TURN, ESPECIALLY AT PEAK HOURS.
AND I INVITE YOU TO DO THAT, COME AND MAKE THAT TURN IS A CHALLENGING AND OFTEN DANGEROUS TASK AT BEST.
I AM SINCERELY CONCERNED AND WORRIED ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF CUSTOMERS EXTINCT FROM CHESTNUT TO THEN TURN LEFT ON WOODIER BOULEVARD.
WE DO NOT HAVE A LANE TO TURN INTO AND WAIT IN AS WE CAUTIOUSLY CONTINUE OUR TURN.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, LIKE A HOLDING LANE.
THE PROPOSED STARBUCKS TRAFFIC HAS BEEN COMPARED TO MCDONALD'S JUST DOWN THE STREET, WHICH DOES NOT HAVE AN EXIT STREET AS THIS IS A, THAT IS A DEAD END SUCH AS CHESTNUT.
BUT THERE IS A HOLDING LANE THERE, A MUCH MORE ROOM FOR MANEUVERING.
WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN OUR STREET TO MAKE U-TURNS ONCE THEY TURN ONTO CHESTNUT AND CAN'T MERGE INTO THE ORDER LANE AND OR CHANGE THEIR MINDS.
IT IS A TIGHT, THIS IS OUT THE NOTES, IT IS A TIGHT TURN RIGHT THERE.
YOU SEE THE STREETS WIDER AS IT GOES UP.
YOU'RE GONNA GO UP THE STREET TO THE PRIVATE RESIDENCE AND MAKE YOUR U-TURN.
I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE DONE IT
I REMEMBER THAT FROM LAST TIME.
AS FAR AS WE UNDERSTAND, CARS ENTERING STARBUCKS, IF ALLOWED TO ENTER ON CHESTNUT, COULD POSSIBLY BLOCK TRAFFIC EITHER ENTERING CHESTNUT STREET ITSELF OR EXITING.
AND THAT WOULD ONLY TAKE THREE CARS TO CAUSE THE PROBLEM OF US NOT BEING ABLE TO ENTER OR EXIT OUR OWN PROPERTY.
THIS, OF COURSE, WOULD DIRECTLY IMPACT ALL OF US WHO LIVE HERE CLOSING THIS INTEREST WOULD ELIMINATE ANY TRAFFIC HINDERING RESIDENTS ENTRANCE TO THEIR PRIVATE STREET.
THIS IS A SOLUTION THAT WE ALL DO FAVOR.
SO IT DOES NOT REALLY SEEM TO BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
I AM FEARFUL ABOUT THE INCREASED RISK OF POSSIBLE ACCIDENTS WITH THE ADDED TRAFFIC FROM STARBUCKS.
WE KNOW THE DANGER OF TRYING TO MAKE THIS LEFT HAND TURN AND ADDING MORE TRAFFIC TO OUR STREET JUST INTENSIFIES OUR RISK AND ADDS TO THE POSSIBILITY OF ACCIDENTS.
THERE IS A SAFER WAY TO EXIT STARBUCKS.
YOU EXIT ON WOODIER BOULEVARD GOING WEST AND MAKE A U-TURN AT CYPRUS.
THIS ELIMINATES THE USE OF CHESTNUT STREET AS AN EXIT.
WE AS RESIDENTS OFTEN DO JUST EXACTLY THAT.
AND JUST OFF THE RECORD TOO, WE'RE NOT SO CONCERNED ABOUT QUEUING, QUEUING.
WHETHER IT'S SIX OR 16 OR 23, IT'S THE EXITING ONTO WOODIER BOULEVARD.
THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG CONCERN FROM CHESTNUT.
I I I URGE YOU TO, TO GO THERE AND AT PEAK HOURS AND TRY TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN.
THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO OUR CONCERNS AND NOTING THEM.
I LIKE YOUR FONT, MR. MARTINEZ.
NICE AND FOR MYSELF,
OKAY, MY NAME IS, UH, TONY MARTINEZ.
UH, LAST NAME MARTINEZ, M-A-R-T-I-N-E-Z.
I LIVE WITH MY WIFE LAUREL AT 9 6 1 CHESTNUT STREET.
AS THIS PROJECT MOVES FORWARD, ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS OF THE HOMEOWNERS IS THE TRAFFIC ENTERING ONTO CHESTNUT STREET AND HOW TO LIMIT THIS.
CHESTNUT STREET IS A DEAD END PRIVATE ROAD AND IS MAINTAINED AT THE EXPENSE OF THE HOMEOWNERS.
MORE TRAFFIC ON OUR PRIVATE STREET WOULD MEAN MORE MAINTENANCE ON THE ROAD AT THE HOMEOWNER'S EXPENSE.
WE WOULD HOPE THAT BOTH THE APPLICANT RODNEY AND STARBUCKS WOULD PROVIDE SUFFICIENT SIGNAGE TO HELP WITH THIS ISSUE.
UM, AND IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED TO BE A, A SIGN RIGHT AT, UH, THE TWO POINTS.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA SAY, BUT PRIVATE ROAD, DO NOT ENTER
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BOTH ON A SIGN, UM, ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.EAST AND WEST SIDES LOCATED AS YOU ENTER ONTO PRIVATE PROPERTY, BE BEGINNING AT 1820 AND 1821 CHESTNUT STREET AS WELL AS THE DEAD END STREET SIGN.
UH, OR A SIGN THAT SAYS NOT A THROUGH STREET, SO THAT PEOPLE WOULDN'T, WOULDN'T PROCEED DOWN THAT ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO IT OR HOW IT WOULD BE DONE.
UM, WE WOULD HOPE THAT BOTH THE APPLICANT AND STARBUCKS WOULD ABSORB THE COST OF SUCH SIGNAGE AND NOT EXPECT THE HOMEOWNERS TO PAY.
WE AS HOMEOWNERS WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO BE INVOLVED WITH WAYS TO HELP CONTROL EXCESS TRAFFIC ON OUR STREET.
WE HOPE THAT BY WORKING WITH RODNEY, STARBUCKS AND THE CITY OF LAHABRA, WE COULD COME TO COME UP WITH A WAY THAT WOULD HELP NOT ONLY THE HOMEOWNERS ON CHESTNUT ON CHESTNUT STREET, BUT ALSO HELP RODNEY ANI STARBUCKS AND THIS CITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
YOU KNOW, AND IF IT GOES THROUGH AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT CLOSING A CHESTNUT OFF.
IF THAT HAPPENS, THEY WOULD, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SIGN THAT SAYS NO ENTRANCE ON STAR ON CHESTNUT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED MR. MARTINEZ.
DO WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER? NO CARDS WERE SUBMITTED.
IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED ITEM? OKAY, SO CITY ATTORNEY, WE WILL NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING IF WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT WITH ANY QUESTIONS.
SO MAYBE WE'LL DO THIS AT THIS TIME IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD, UH, WITH ANY SORT OF REBUTTAL, WE CAN HEAR FROM YOU NOW, MR. ANI.
SO, UM, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS MENTIONED BY THE RESIDENTS AND I'LL GO IN REVERSE SEQUENCE.
UH, SO STARTING WITH, UH, TONY MARTINEZ'S COMMENT, UH, REGARDING CHESTNUT STREET AND, UH, THE INCREASE, UH, OF VEHICLES, UH, AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE RENDERING, UM, A MAJORITY OF THE VEHICLES ENTERING THE PROPERTY, YOU'RE GONNA ENTER FROM WOODIER BOULEVARD.
WOODIER BOULEVARD IS, UH, THE MAIN HIGHWAY AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, THE TRAFFIC ENTERING CHESTNUT STREET IS GONNA BE ANCILLARY.
AND THE DRIVEWAY, UH, OF OUR PROPERTY IS LOCATED, UM, BEFORE THE CHESTNUT STREET RESIDENCE.
SO, UH, MOST OF THE VEHICLES OR ALL OF THE VEHICLES SHOULD BE ENTERING OUR PROPERTY FROM THE DRIVEWAY BEFORE THEY EVEN GET INTO THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
UM, I WAS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR ABOUT TONY'S COMMENT REGARDING NEW SIGNS.
UM, SONYA DID MENTION THAT WE, AS THE APPLICANT ARE GOING TO PROVIDE PAY FOR AND INSTALL FOR THE DO NOT ENTER PRIVATE, UM, UH, PRI PRIVATE PROPERTY SIGNS, UH, WHICH WILL BE, UH, SORRY, MY LASER POINTER DOESN'T WORK.
UH, THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE PROPERTY WHERE THE TWO TREES ARE, THERE WILL BE ONE PLACED OVER THERE, RIGHT? RIGHT WHERE THAT SIX FOOT WALL KIND OF BECOMES THREE FOOT RIGHT IN THERE.
YES, I BROUGHT A LASER POINTER, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW.
AND THEN, AND THEN MAYBE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THAT AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER'S, UM, APPROVAL.
NOW, LOOK, IF, IF THE RESIDENTS WOULD LIKE TO PUT MORE SIGNAGE ON THEIR PROPERTIES, I'M WILLING TO WORK SOMETHING OUT WITH THEM.
I, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THAT'S NEVER BEEN SOMETHING THAT THEY BROUGHT UP, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE WILLING TO DO THAT IF, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO.
I BELIEVE THEY DO HAVE TWO EXISTING SIGNS THERE, BUT THEY'RE VERY SMALL AND THEY'RE NOT VERY VISIBLE.
SO IF THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PROPOSE AND INSTALL SOME MORE, UH, VISIBLE, PROMINENT SIGNAGE, UH, I'D BE OPEN TO THAT.
UM, IN ADDITION, UM, TONY MENTIONED THE CONCERN ABOUT VEHICLES COMING ONTO THEIR PRIVATE STREET.
I MEAN, IT'S ALL OF OUR PRIVATE STREETS.
MY PORTION OF CHESTNUT STREET IS A PRIVATE STREET AS WELL, AND I'M SHARING THAT WITH THE RESIDENCE.
AND, UM, I HAVE SPOKEN TO MICHAEL PLOTNICK AND BECAUSE IT'S A PRIVATE STREET AT THE DISCRETION OF THE RESIDENCE, IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO INSTALL A NEW GATE, UM, PROVIDE STREET STRIPING AND STREET DELINEATORS, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE ALL OPTIONS THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO FURTHER PREVENT ANY UNAUTHORIZED VEHICLES FROM ENTERING ONTO THE, THE PRIVATE STREET OF THE RESIDENCE.
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REGARDING LAUREL'S COMMENT AND, UH, YOU KNOW, QUOTE, DANGER OF MAKING A LEFT TURN ONTO WHITTIER BOULEVARD, I CAN HONESTLY TELL YOU I'VE BEEN TO MY PROPERTY AT LEAST 50 TIMES ALL VARIOUS HOURS THROUGHOUT THE DAY, INCLUDING THE PEAK HOURS IN THE MORNING AND THE PEAK HOURS IN THE AFTERNOON.AND WHEN I EXIT MY PROPERTY FROM CHESTNUT AND I COME TOWARDS WHITTIER BOULEVARD, I'M ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT TURN.
IT HASN'T BEEN A PROBLEM FOR ME.
YOU JUST NEED TO OBEY TRAFFIC LAWS, RIGHT? SO FIRST, IF VEHICLES ARE GONNA STOP AT THE INTERSECTION AND IT'S SAFE, YOU PROCEED FORWARD.
SECONDLY, WHEN ALL THE VEHICLES TRAVELING WESTBOUND ON WHITTIER BOULEVARD HAVE ALL TRAVELED AND IT'S CLEAR YOU MAKE A LEFT TURN, UH, AGAIN, DONE THIS AT AT LEAST A COUPLE DOZEN TIMES HASN'T BEEN A SAFETY CONCERN, UH, REGARDING DAN'S COMMENT AND, UM, THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
UH, I DID BRING THAT UP, UH, ON MY PRESENTATION, UH, JUST DUE TO TIME RESTRICTIONS, I WASN'T ABLE TO GET INTO IT IN MUCH DETAIL.
BUT ESSENTIALLY, UH, WE ONLY HAVE TWO MITIGATION STEPS, WHICH I BELIEVE MICHAEL PLOTNICK TOUCHED ON, WHICH IS STARBUCKS POSITIONING A TEAM MEMBER TO EXPEDITE THE ORDERS AND ALSO JUST THE TEMPORARY CLOSURE OF THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY IF NECESSARY.
UM, NOW SOMETHING THAT I, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE AND IS REALLY IMPORTANT IS STARBUCKS IS NOW WILLING TO CLOSE THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY ENTRY IF IT'S WARRANTED AND NECESSARY.
THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE HEARING PREVIOUSLY.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE WORKED ON FOR A FEW MONTHS WITH STARBUCKS AND WITH MICHAEL PLOTNIK AND DISCUSSED THIS BACK AND FORTH.
AND SO IN, IN PROVIDING THIS AS A WRITTEN CONDITION OF THE PROJECT, WE'RE ESSENTIALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, GONNA COVER OUR BASES, IF YOU WILL.
THERE IS NO DATA THAT WE HAVE COLLECTED FROM THE QUEUING ANALYSIS AS WELL AS THE ANALYSIS OF THE OTHER STARBUCKS PROJECTS IN THE CITY THAT WOULD SUGGEST THAT OUR DRIVE-THROUGH IS NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE THE VEHICLES THAT ARE GONNA, AND CUSTOMERS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING TO THE PROPERTY.
IT WOULD TAKE, AND, AND I, I WANNA SHOW THIS TO YOU GUYS.
LET'S SEE, WHERE IS IT? SO THIS IS THE, UH, THE SITE PLAN OF THE DRIVE THROUGH MANAGEMENT PLAN.
AND MAYBE YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL WHERE YOU SEE THOSE TWO BOLT COLORED GREEN ARROWS AT THE E AT THE BASICALLY OUTER PORTION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE.
YOU CAN ADD ONE MORE VEHICLE TO THE CHESTNUT STREET ENTRY, WHICH WOULD BE 18 VEHICLES.
WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE 19 VEHICLES, UM, COME TO, AT MINIMUM OF 19 VEHICLES COME TO THE PROPERTY FOR TRAFFIC TO START SPILLING OUT ONTO CHESTNUT STREET AND CREATING A PROBLEM THERE.
SO OUT OF THE THREE STARBUCKS LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE PROVIDED IN OUR QUEUING ANALYSIS, AND I WANNA P PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE COLOR ON THAT.
IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE THREE LOCATIONS, THEY ARE ALL AT SIGNALIZE INTERSECTIONS AND THE VEHICLES TRAVELED PER DAY AT ALL.
THOSE INTERSECTIONS ARE SUBSTANTIALLY BUSIER THAN OURS.
SO WE RAISED THE BAR SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN OUR PROPERTY HERE.
UM, SO, SO TO CLOSE ON THAT NOTE, AND AS DISCUSSED WITH MICHAEL AND DISCUSSED WITH DEAN, WE DON'T FORESEE, UM, THE, THE QUEUING OF THIS PROPERTY BEING AN ISSUE NOW IN REGARDS TO THE CHESTNUT STREET, UH, DRIVEWAY EXIT, UM, REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THAT IS GOING TO BE FOR CUSTOMERS THAT ARE GOING TO UTILIZE THE OUTDOOR PATIO, UH, AS WELL AS, UH, THERE IS GONNA BE A PICKUP WINDOW OFFERED AT THE BILLING.
UM, SO THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, PRIMARILY LIKE A CONVENIENCE FUNCTION OF CUSTOMERS PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT, GOING TO THE PICKUP WINDOW OR SITTING IN THE OUTDOOR PATIO.
THEY WILL BE ABLE TO EXIT OFF WHITTIER BOULEVARD, OF COURSE, AND THEN THEY WILL ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO EXIT OFF OF CHESTNUT STREET.
THE MEETING THAT I HAD WITH THE RESIDENTS, TO ME IT SEEMED LIKE WE, WE HAD A CONSENSUS ON THAT.
THERE WASN'T, UH, ANYTHING MENTIONED TO THE CONTRARY AFTER WE DISCUSSED THIS.
UH, THIS IS DONE AT, AT MANY OTHER RESTAURANT DRIVE THROUGH LOCATIONS, I'M SURE THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
UM, THE LAST POINT REGARD IN RESPONSE TO DAN DAN'S COMMENTS IS HE SAID, WELL, IF THERE
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IS GOING TO BE ISSUES AT THE PROPERTY, WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT SIX MONTHS TO ADDRESS THAT? SO I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL PLOTNICK AND WITH STARBUCKS.UM, MICHAEL WILL BE OVERSEEING THE PROPERTY IF THERE IS ANY TRAFFIC ISSUES, AS HE IS THE CITY OF LA HARBOR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
AND WHAT MICHAEL HAD COMMUNICATED TO US IS IF THERE ARE ISSUES BEING SEEN PRIOR TO SIX MONTHS, THAT CAN BE BROUGHT TO HIS ATTENTION AND HE IS WILLING TO ADDRESS IT SOONER IF AND WHEN NECESSARY.
UM, DEANNA HAD A COMMENT REGARDING CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES AND, UM, HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE MANAGED DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, SO IF YOU SEE ON CHESTNUT STREET WHERE YOU HAVE THE, UH, MARKINGS FOR THE THREE PARKING SPACES BY THE STOP, WE ARE GONNA BE DIRECTING THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TO, TO ALL PARK IN THAT AREA.
UM, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY NEED FOR ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES TO TRAVEL FURTHER.
THEY WILL, WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
UH, I I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WE DO HAVE AN EXISTING DRIVEWAY OFF CHESTNUT STREET AND THEY CAN MAKE A THREE POINT TURN TO COME IN AND OUT OF THERE, UM, WHERE NECESSARY.
UH, SO KATHY HAD A COMMENT REGARDING, UM, THE NEW CONCRETE MASONRY WALL.
AND SO I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THIS.
AFTER THE LAST HEARING, THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT, UM, AND A RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO CONSTRUCT TO DO EIGHT FOOT TALL, UM, SOLID MYSTERY, UH, WALL ALONG THE NORTH PERIMETER THERE.
UH, AFTER THE HEARING, WE, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS SPOKEN TO STARBUCKS, WE'RE OKAY WITH DOING THAT.
THE EIGHT FOOT CONCEPT WAS ACCEPTABLE TO US, AND IT'S ACCEPTABLE TO STARBUCKS.
UM, I BELIEVE KATHY HAD A FOLLOW-UP CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY, AND APPARENTLY, UM, IT, IT IS NOT PERMITTED FOR US TO CONSTRUCT AN EIGHT FOOT TALL CONCRETE MASONRY WALL.
THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT THAT WE ARE PERMITTED PURSUANT TO THE HABER CODE IS SIX FEET, SIX INCHES, AND WE ARE AGREEING TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING WALL ALONG THE NORTH PERIMETER AND CONSTRUCT A NEW SIX FOOT SIX INCH WALL.
NOW WE'RE TAKING A STEP FURTHER IN FRONT OF THE NORTH WALL.
WE ARE GONNA BE PLANTING, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S OVER 75 OR 80 FEET, UH, LINEAR FEET OF, UH, LANDSCAPE HEDGE THAT WILL BE EIGHT FEET AND TALL, UH, ALL ALONG THE NORTH PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTIES PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PRIVACY AND NOISE REDUCTION.
SO ON THAT POINT, I MEAN, IF, IF YOU WOULD LIKE FOR US, YOU KNOW, TO DEFER TO THE COMMISSION AS TO WHAT YOU GUYS FEEL IS APPROPRIATE, UM, FROM THE PROPERTY UNIT STANDPOINT, WE CAN WORK WITH YOU GUYS.
EITHER WAY, WE CAN CONSTRUCT, UH, AN EIGHT FOOT WALL.
I'M NOT CERTAIN HOW THAT WOULD WORK.
AND I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, POSSIBLE BASED OFF OF THE HABER CODE, BUT WE ARE WILLING TO CONSTRUCT, UM, THE MAXIMUM PER PERMITTED WALL HEIGHT, WHICH IS SIX FEET, SIX INCHES.
UH, ANOTHER POINT THAT KATHY MADE IS, UM, SHE FELT THAT SOMEBODY WAS AT HER PROPERTY REGARDING NOISE STUDY.
UM, OUR SOUND ENGINEER DID NOT STEP FOOT ON HER PROPERTY.
UM, WHAT ESSENTIALLY THE NOISE STUDY IS IT'S NOISE MODELING THAT THE SOUND ENGINEER DOES, AND THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE STUDY.
SO THEY TAKE THE LOCATION OF THE HVAC UNITS ON THE ROOF AND THE LOCATION OF THE MENU SPEAKER BOARDS, THEY TAKE THE MODEL SPECIFICATIONS, AND THEN BASED ON THAT THEY DO AN ANALYSIS OF WHAT THE PROJECTED NOISE IS GONNA BE BASED OFF THE LOCATION OF THE HVAC UNITS AND THE MENU SPEAKER BOARDS.
UH, ONE ADDITIONAL THING THAT I MENTIONED IN THE LAST HEARING IS THE MENU SPEAKER BOARDS WILL HAVE AUTOMATIC VOLUME CONTROLS, SO THEY WILL ADJUST TO THE AMBIENT NOISE AND, UH, KEEP THE, THE NOISE LEVEL FOR THE MENU SPEAKER BOARDS LOWER AS PART OF THE TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS.
UH, TOM HAD MADE A COMMENT, AND I I JUST TOUCHED ON THIS, REGARDING A NEW WALL AND GATE.
SO IN SUMMARY OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE PROVIDED, WE DID MENTION THAT WE WOULD CONSTRUCT A NEW WALL, UM, AND WE ARE WILLING TO PROVIDE A NEW GATE FOR THE TOWNEND RESIDENTS.
AM I, AM I OKAY ON TIME? HURRY UP, MR. IVANI.
UH, SO THERE WAS A FEW POINTS REGARDING THE, UM, THE CHESTNUT STREET MAINTENANCE, AND I HAVEN'T GOTTEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THAT.
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IN REGARDS TO THE SOUTHBOUND PORTION OF CHESTNUT STREET, UM, I'M OKAY FROM THE PROPERTY AND STANDPOINT OF RESEALING THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PARKING LOT.UH, WE ALWAYS WANT KEEP OUR PROPERTIES VERY WELL MAINTAINED AND LOOKING VERY NICE.
SO, UH, IF THE COMMISSION WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE CHESTNUT STREET SOUTHBOUND PORTION THAT WE OWN TO BE RESEALED EVERY FIVE YEARS, THAT'S FINE.
SINCE WE'RE ON THAT, I'LL ASK A QUESTION.
CAN, YOU KNOW, IT CAME UP EARLIER THIS PHRASE WITH CONSENT FROM THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT, MR. ANI, HAVE YOU COMMUNICATED WITH THAT OTHER PROPERTY OWNER ACROSS THE STREET? HAVE YOU NOT, UM, WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING SIGNS THERE, WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE RES STRIPING AND RESEALING THE OTHER SIDE, UM, OF CHESTNUT ON THEIR SIDE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
I'VE SPOKEN TO THE BROKER, I GUESS, AS A BROKER AT THAT PROPERTY AND I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER DIRECTLY.
UM, BUT HOPEFULLY ONCE WE GET ENTITLEMENT APPROVAL AND WE MOVE TO CONSTRUCTION PLANS, I WILL ABSOLUTELY, UM, MAKE EVERY EFFORT TO GET IN TOUCH WITH HIM AND SPEAK TO HIM, UH, REGARDING THE NORTHBOUND PORTION, UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE HE HAS RESEALED IT FOR, FOR A LITTLE WHILE, SO HOPEFULLY HE'LL BE OPEN TO THAT.
UH, I'M WILLING TO PAY FOR THE COST TO RESEAL THE NORTHBOUND PORTION OF THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY AS WELL AS JUST A GESTURE OF GOODWILL.
YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, UH, IN REGARDS TO OTHER POINTS? I DON'T WANNA SOUND REPETITIVE.
I THINK I'VE BASICALLY COVERED IT BASED OFF THE COMMENTS PROVIDED.
UM, SO I'LL LEAVE IT OPEN TO THE COMMISSIONERS IF YOU, LET'S SEE IF ANYONE HAS QUESTIONS OF YOU.
UM, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ, ANYTHING FOR MR. IVANI? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR, YOU WOULD BE PAYING FOR THE NEW WALL IN THE NEW GATE, CORRECT? YES, THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THE RESEALING OF THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET, JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT BELONGS TO THE OTHER PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER FOR THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IN NORTHBOUND? YEAH.
COMMISSIONER CARDENAS, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW WOULD A WORKER THERE, LET'S JUST SAY I'M WORKING THERE AND HOW WOULD I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALREADY 17 CARS AND I NEED TO CLOSE? UH, YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF A WORKER IN STARBUCKS WHEN THE DRIVE THROUGH IS OVER CUED WHEN WE'VE HIT THAT CAPACITY OF 17 CARS? I MEAN, I DON'T, I THINK THE QUESTION COMES FROM THIS PLACE OF WE'RE NOT, I I THINK ONE OF THE RESIDENTS MADE A GOOD POINT, YOU KNOW, GET THE COFFEE OUT, NOT COUNT 17 CARS, YOU KNOW, EVERY FIVE SECONDS.
SO WHAT WOULD BE A TRIGGER POINT? MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK AS LIKE, SPEAK THROUGH THAT FOR THE STAFF WHEN, IF THE, YOU KNOW, IF STARBUCKS IS OPERATING THERE, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THAT CASE, RIGHT? IS THAT YEAH.
YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS WE CAN DO.
THERE'S GONNA BE A COMPLETE VIDEO CAMERA SYSTEM PLACED ALL THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY, INCLUDING THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
SO THAT'LL PROVIDE VISUAL REPRESENTATION AND THAT CAN BE MONITORED.
UH, THE SECOND THING IS, UH, WE CAN IMPLEMENT SENSORS.
SO IF IT DETECTS THAT A VEHICLE HAS BEEN, UH, IN THE 16TH AND 17TH POSITIONS FOR A CERTAIN DURATION OF PERIOD OF TIME, THAT'LL ALERT THEM TO SAY, HEY, THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE HAS GOTTEN BUSIER.
NOW YOU SEE, SEND OUT A TEAM MEMBER.
UM, SO WITH THE, THE SENSOR AND THE VISUAL VERIFICATION, THAT SHOULD BE ADEQUATE FOR THEM TO ADDRESS IT.
W WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT YOUR POSITION AND THAT OF STARBUCKS IS THAT THAT CHESTNUT ENTRANCE REMAINS OPEN? Y YOU, THAT'D BE YOUR PREFERENCE.
WELL, IT, I WOULD HESITATE TO USE THE WORD PREFERENCE.
IT, IT'S WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO START WITH.
AND THE REASON BEING IS BASED OFF OF THE EXPERT OPINION OF MICHAEL PLOTNIK AND DEAN AND HOW THEY EXPLAINED, UH, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT TO US, UH, AND WE WENT OVER THIS IN GREAT DETAIL, UM, WITH BOTH OF THEM IS THEY, THEIR STRONG RECOMMENDATION WAS THAT WE START WITH THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY ENTRY OPEN THAT'S GONNA PROVIDE OPTIMAL SITE CIRCULATION THAT WILL BE MONITORED, UM, BY STARBUCKS AND IT'LL BE MONITORED BY THE CITY OF HABA TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
YEAH, AND, AND I DIDN'T MEAN FOR THAT TO BE A TRICK QUESTION.
UM, IF, IF YOU DIDN'T WANT THAT ENTRANCE OPENED, I MEAN, YOU COULD HAVE SUBMITTED THE PLANS ACCORDINGLY.
FAIR? WELL, I'VE SPOKEN TO MICHAEL PLOTNIK ABOUT OUR OPTIONS IN
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THAT REGARD AND, UM, WE DID GO OVER THE PROJECT WRITTEN CONDITIONS REGARDING THE DRIVE THROUGH AND, UH, MICHAEL STRONGLY RECOMMENDED THAT WE KEEP THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY OPEN AND HE'S DONE THIS SUCCESSFULLY AT OTHER PROPERTIES.AND HE SAID IF AND WHEN IT'S NECESSARY, UM, IF THE MITIGATION MEASURES ARE NOT ADEQUATE, THEN YES, AT THAT TIME HE WOULD DO A QUEUING ANALYSIS AND IF IT'S WARRANT WARRANTED, THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY ENTRY WOULD BE CLOSED.
UM, AND, AND YOU DIDN'T WANNA SAY THE WORD PREFERENCE, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE NEUTRAL.
UH, YOU'RE ASKING MY MY PERSONAL OPINION, I'M NEAR THE APPLICANT.
UM, I, I MEAN, I, I WOULD BE INCLINED TO LISTEN TO THE EXPERT TRAFFIC ENGINEERS THAT DO THIS, YOU KNOW, BUT TO OPERATE THE RESTAURANT THAT'S NOT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER'S PLACE.
I MEAN, WHAT'S THE BEST OPERATION OF THE RESTAURANT THERE? UH, IN TERMS OF THE BEST OPERATION OF THE RESTAURANT, I ABSOLUTELY THINK IT WOULD BE TO KEEP THE DRIVEWAY OPEN.
AND, AND I, AND I THINK, I THINK THAT'S THE ANSWER I I THOUGHT YOU WOULD HAVE.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT DRIVEWAY OPEN, YOU HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN MAKING SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS.
UH, IF THE STAFF THERE IS KIND OF DERELICT IN MONITORING THAT TO COMMISSIONER CARD'S QUESTION, THEN THAT DRIVEWAY COULD BECOME CLOSED.
AND THAT'S NOT IDEAL FOR YOU OR THE OPERATION.
STARBUCKS CAN MAKE THE, THE SITE WORK WITHOUT THE CHESTNUT STREET DRIVEWAY ENTRY.
UM, AND, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE OVER THAT WITH STARBUCKS AND WITH MICHAEL PLOTNICK.
IT'S A MATTER OF ANALYZING, UH, THE, THE SEQUENCE AND THE SITE CIRCULATION.
SO THIS CONCEPT HAS BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT IN DEPTH WITH MICHAEL PLOTNICK AND STARBUCKS OPERATIONS, UM, QUITE A BIT.
AND, UH, I'VE SPOKEN TO DEAN, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER AS WELL.
AND AGAIN, THEIR VERY STRONG RECOMMENDATION IS YOU DON'T START WITH CLOSURES AND THEN ANALYZE OPENING UP LATER.
YOU START WITH KEEPING THE DRIVEWAY OPEN AND THEN WHEN, WHEN, IF, AND WHEN THE MITIGATION EFFORTS WARRANT IT, YOU IMPLEMENT IT.
NOW WE ALSO HAVE TO TAKE INTO CONTEXT, WE DID A VERY IN-DEPTH, BROAD QUEUING ANALYSIS FOR THOSE THREE OTHER STARBUCKS SITES.
AND WE HAVE LOOKED AT THE OTHER LAHABRA, UH, STARBUCKS LOCATIONS AS WELL.
WE'RE NOT FINDING THAT ANY OF THE SITES HAVE MORE THAN 13 VEHICLES.
AND FOR OUR PROJECT TO OVERFLOW, IT WOULD NEED TO BE 19 VEHICLES.
SO WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF A BUFFER AT THIS SITE.
NOW WE'RE ALL PLANNING FOR THE WHAT IF THE MOST LIKELIHOOD EVENT HERE IS GOING TO BE THAT THIS, THIS SITE IS GONNA OPERATE JUST FINE AS MANY OF THE OTHER STARBUCKS DO.
UM, BECAUSE THE DEMAND FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH IS NOT GONNA BE THAT BIG.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE NOW THAT INCLUDES THE DRIVEWAY ENTRY CLOSURE IF NECESSARY.
AND THAT IS A PROJECT CONDITION AND IT CAN BE ENFORCED BY THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, UH, EXCUSE ME, THE, THE CITY OF LAVER TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW MR. NIA, I THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE SPOKEN TO IT EARLIER, UH, THE Q MANAGEMENT FOR THE WHITTIER AND BEACH LOCATION? YES, I DO.
COULD YOU SHARE THAT WITH ME? SURE.
SO THIS IS AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE INTERSECTION OF WHITTIER BOULEVARD AND BEACH BOULEVARD.
UM, IF WE WERE GONNA COMPARE THIS TO OUR SITE, THE CO-TENANCY AT THIS INTERSECTION IS, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY STRONGER.
THEY HAVE THE GROCERY OUTLET, ALBERTSONS CHASE BANK.
AND THE IN-N-OUT BURGER RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
IN ADDITION, THE TRAFFIC AT THIS INTERSECTION IS SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER THAN OURS, BASED OFF WHERE DOES THAT TH YEAH, THE 13 NUMBER IS, IS WOULD THE 13TH CAR BE WHERE THAT SILVER CAR IS RIGHT ABOVE THE THREE? YES.
COMMISSIONER CARDENAS, ANYTHING ELSE? OH, YES, FOLLOWING UP.
BUT WITH MY QUESTION, YOU MENTIONED IT'S A POSSIBILITY TO INCLUDE SENSORS, SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S RIGHT NOW INCLUDED? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK WITH STARBUCKS OPERATIONS TO SEE IF THEY INCLUDE THAT.
I'M, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE I EITHER WAY, BUT I'M HAPPY TO CONFIRM IT AND IF, LIKE, WE'RE HAPPY TO INCLUDE IT.
THE VIDEO CAMERA SYSTEM IS, UH, WE MAY BE ABLE TO PUT SENSORS ON THE VIDEO CAMERAS AS WELL.
UM, BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE AN ACTUAL, UH, STREET SENSOR IS, IS WHAT THEY CALL IT, IT WOULD BE IMPLEMENTED IN THE DRIVE-THROUGH LANE.
IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SIMILAR CONCEPT.
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NOW AND YOU GO INTO THE PARKING GARAGE AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A PARKING SPACE, HOW DOES IT TELL YOU? RIGHT.SO THAT'S BASED OFF OF THE CAR BEING PARKED THERE IN THE SENSOR.
UM, SO I, I'M NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR STARBUCKS, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, IF THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD LIKE US TO IMPLEMENT THAT, WE CAN, UH, IN TERMS OF PUTTING THAT AS A CONDITION OF THE PROJECT, WE SURE IS WHAT I MEANT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER ROJAS IONS.
WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE IS READY TO JUMP INTO A MOTION AT THIS POINT.
I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN AT THIS A WHILE.
I'M HAPPY TO FACILITATE ANY DISCUSSION.
MURRAY, YOU WANNA START US OR, I I WANNA KNOW, PRIOR TO THIS PROJECT, AND THIS MAY BE A QUESTION FOR EITHER THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER OR SOMEBODY ON STAFF, BUT PRIOR TO THIS STARBUCKS PROJECT, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE WERE ALREADY PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC ON THIS STREET, OR THAT SEEMS TO BE MY SENSE, I DON'T WANNA MAKE ANY ASSUMPTIONS, BUT WHAT MEASURES WERE BEING TAKEN TO DETER THE TRAFFIC ENTERING ONTO THE PRIVATE STREET BEFORE? UM, SO WHAT WAS BEING DONE BEFORE AND HOW IS THAT GONNA BE? I MEAN, IS WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW OVER AND ABOVE WHAT WAS BEING DONE BEFORE? AND I KNOW THIS IS LIKE THE PART OF THE MEETING WHERE IT CAN TURN INTO LIKE A BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, US AND THE AUDIENCE.
AND I DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO BRING MR. PLOTNIK FORWARD.
UM, MAYBE TO ADDRESS FROM THE CITY'S PERSPECTIVE, WHAT, WHAT DID WE KNOW ABOUT CHESTNUT BEFORE ALL OF THIS? I THINK THAT'S THE HEART OF HER QUESTION BEFORE ALL THIS, NOTHING REALLY.
IT'S A STATE HIGHWAY, IT'S A BUSY STREET LIKE BEACH BOULEVARD, IMPERIAL HIGHWAY HARBOR JUST GETS A LOT OF CARS AT THIS PARTICULAR INTERSECTION.
IT HASN'T REALLY EVER BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION THAT WE NEEDED TO PAY ANY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO IT.
DO ANYTHING MITIGATE ANY MEASURES IF THEY WOULD'VE BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION? LIKE MAYBE THERE'S A LOT OF COLLISIONS.
DO WE NEED TO DO A SAFETY STUDY? DO WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO CALTRANS BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON THERE? WE WOULD'VE DONE SO, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION.
AND I KNOW THAT ELKS LODGE HAS BEEN CLOSED FOR A LITTLE BIT, BUT I, WHEN IT WAS OPERATING, I DON'T THINK WE WERE GETTING THAT MUCH TRAFFIC.
AND I WASN'T, I CERTAINLY WASN'T GETTING CALLS EVERY DAY THAT THEY NEED A SIGNAL OR ANYTHING ELSE.
COMMISSIONER GOMEZ? I I HAD A QUESTION TOO, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT.
AND I'M LOOKING AT A GOOGLE MAP AND, AND THE EXAMPLE THAT WE WERE SHARED IN, IT PRETTY MUCH LOOKS THE SAME.
LIKE I'M LOOKING AT HOW IT'S GONNA BE STRUCTURED WHERE THERE'S TWO ENTRANCES, ONE ON CHESTNUT AND ONE ON WHITTIER.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS, WOULDN'T IT JUST BE THE SAME AS JUST A DIFFERENT BUSINESS THAT IS NOW GOING TO BE OPERATING THERE? OR IS IT BECAUSE IT'S STARBUCKS AND THERE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE TRAFFIC BECAUSE THERE'S STILL AN OPENING ON BOTH SIDES? THE, THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS A NEW BUSINESS.
IT'S GOING FROM A, WE'LL CALL IT A CLUB.
WHICH ONE'S GONNA GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC? TYPICALLY A COFFEE HOUSE IS GONNA GENERATE MORE TRAFFIC, SO YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE CARS GOING THERE ON TRIPS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NECESSARILY ANY LESS SAFE, MORE SAFE THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST GONNA ATTRACT MORE VEHICLES THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WHICH IS WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWS.
IS CALTRANS, WOULD THEY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A TURNING LANE OR A TURNING LIGHT AT CHESTNUT AND WHITTIER OR STONE WOOD AND WHITTIER? WOULD THAT BE A CALTRANS ISSUE? MM-HMM.
THAT WOULD BE A, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE JURISDICTION FOR THE STATE HIGHWAY WHITTIER BOULEVARD, THEY WOULD ULTIMATELY WARRANT AND JUSTIFY IF THEY NEED TO PUT A SIGNAL.
IF YOU'VE BEEN ON IMPERIAL HIGHWAY, THERE'S A SIGNAL GOING ON RIGHT NOW AT WALNUT.
AND THAT'S FROM ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO.
UM, YOU GUYS HAVE THOUGHTS, COMMENTS BEFORE WE, I HAVE A FEW THOUGHTS.
I, I, I'M, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN AT IT AND I WAS THE CHAIR DURING THAT FIRST, UH, HEARING IN APRIL.
AND I JUST WANNA SAY THAT I DO APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THE APPLICANT HAS TRIED, UM, TO MEET ALL OF THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS AND NEEDS ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHETHER,
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UM, HE'S DEFERRED TO THE CITY ON WHETHER OR NOT TO CLOSE CHESTNUT, BUT HE'S TRIED EVEN ON THE WALL.SO, YOU KNOW, HE WAS WILLING TO DO THAT, BUT OF COURSE DEFERRED TO THE CITY'S AND THE CITY'S RULES ON THAT.
'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN.
APPLICANTS AREN'T TYPICALLY AS, UM, FLEXIBLE WITH SOME OF THESE AND WILLING TO JUST STEP UP AND REALLY TRY TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY.
UH, AND IT IT'S GOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TRYING TO BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR.
AND I, I SEE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I ALSO APPRECIATE THE RESIDENTS' CONCERNS, AND THEY'RE VERY VALID.
YOU'RE DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE, THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT YOUR WAY OF LIFE THAT'S GONNA BE CHANGED WITH THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, AND THAT'S VERY REAL.
AND I AM VERY EMPATHETIC TO THAT AS WELL.
BUT ULTIMATELY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN THESE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SET AND IT'S CLEAR THAT THE APPLICANT WANTS TO FOLLOW THOSE CONDITIONS AND HAS DONE EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO MAKE SURE THAT HE'S, YOU KNOW, ADDRESSING THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS AND FOLLOWING WHAT THE CITY HAS, UH, PROVIDED AS GUIDELINES AND CONDITIONS TO FOLLOW.
SO, I, I JUST, MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CARDENA, ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY.
I, UM, YEAH, I MEAN, THE FIVE OF US UP, UP HERE, WE, WE ALL LIVE HERE AS WELL.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS, I MEAN, WE'RE AS INVESTED IN LAHABRA AS, AS EVERYBODY ELSE, PROBABLY MORE SO BECAUSE WE SPEND A LOT OF LONELY EVENINGS HERE WHEN Y'ALL ARE NOT HERE WITH US.
UM, AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE LAHABRA THE BEST PLACE POSSIBLE FOR US, FOR YOU, FOR OUR FAMILIES.
AND ONE OF THE PHRASES THAT WE USE A LOT IN PLANNING IS, IS IT THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF A LOCATION? AND, AND THAT'S A, AN INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, I THINK PHRASE, HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHAT'S THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE OF ANY PARTICULAR SITE? AND IT CAN BE TRICKY BECAUSE AS A CITY, WE, WE, WE CAN, AND WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW, HAND PICK WHAT BUSINESSES WANT TO DO BUSINESS IN CERTAIN PLACES.
UM, AND SO, YOU KNOW, STARBUCKS, IF, IF STARBUCKS DOESN'T COME KNOCKING, YOU KNOW, TO TO DO BUSINESS HERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WOULD BE A SUITABLE PLACE WHERE THEY WOULD WANNA DO BUSINESS IN ANY OTHER BUSINESS.
UM, BUT WHAT WE CAN DO IS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS ARE, WHAT THOSE CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE, AND YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY STAFF DOES, I THINK A TREMENDOUS JOB OF PROCESSING, YOU KNOW, THESE APPLICANTS.
UM, MAYBE HEADING OFF SOME CONCERNS THAT MIGHT BE FACED, UM, BY THE RESIDENTS BEFORE THE RESIDENTS EVEN CAN VOICE THOSE CONCERNS.
UM, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE LAST HEARING WE HAD IN APRIL, I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT'S PLANS CAME TO US IN APRIL, AND THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THOSE PLANS BACK IN APRIL.
UM, MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME FIVE OF US, BUT WHOEVER IT WAS SAT HERE THAT NIGHT, I WAS HERE THAT NIGHT AND JUST DIDN'T FEEL THAT THOSE PLANS WERE WHAT I WOULD DETERMINE THE HIGHEST AND BEST USE AS THOSE PLANS WERE FOR THAT LOCATION.
AND SO WE CONTINUED THE ITEM AND WE'VE GONE, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH QUITE A BIT.
UM, I'M SURE MR. ANI AND ALL THE RESIDENTS HAVE CHESTNUT HAVE LOST MORE SLEEP ON THIS THAN, THAN US.
UM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY BEEN NAGGING AT US AND WE KNEW THAT THE PROJECT WAS COMING BACK TONIGHT.
AND I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MR. MARTINEZ THAT YOU SHARED, UM, THAT I WANT TO GO BACK TO IS, AND I HAVE YOUR STATEMENT IN FRONT OF US.
YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THAT WORKING BY WORKING WITH MR. ANI STARBUCKS AND THE CITY OF LAHABRA, WE COULD COME UP WITH A WAY THAT WOULD HELP NOT ONLY THE HOMEOWNERS ON CHESTNUT STREET, BUT ALSO HELP RODNEY ANI STARBUCKS AND THE CITY OF LAHABRA TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT.
I MEAN, I THINK THAT SAYS A LOT LIKE WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, LOUD AND CLEAR.
WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO STARBUCKS, WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO A CORPORATION.
WE'RE JUST VERY CONCERNED AS WELL.
YOU SHOULD BE AS RESIDENTS WHO DON'T WANT TO HAVE OUR WAY OF LIFE IMPACTED.
AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT COME IN HERE THAT DON'T HAVE THIS TYPE OF SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION, AND THEY JUST HAPPEN.
AND MAYBE THERE'S MODIFICATIONS THAT COULD OR SHOULD BE MADE AND, AND THEY'RE NOT MADE.
AND I FEEL LIKE THIS IS JUST SUCH A GREAT EXAMPLE TONIGHT AND THIS PROJECT IN ITS ENTIRETY OF HERE'S AN APPLICANT, A COMPANY LIKE STARBUCKS THAT COMES TO THE CITY OF LA HABRA AND SAYS, WE WANNA DO BUSINESS HERE.
AND THEY PICK A LOCATION THAT THEY THINK IS SUITABLE FOR THEM.
WE MAY WONDER, AND WE MAY QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IF WE THINK THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT LOCATION, JUST A MILE FROM ONE STORE AND A MILE FROM ONE STORE IN THE OTHER DIRECTION, THEY'VE ANALYZED THAT AND THEY DECIDED THAT THEY WANTED TO DO BUSINESS HERE.
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I I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS FOR ME AS A RESIDENT WHO SITS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, I, I TAKE PRIDE IN BUSINESSES WANTING TO DO BUSINESS IN LA HABRA, AND I THINK WE ALL DO SOMETIMES WHEN IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT TOO CLOSE FOR US, MAYBE THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES DIFFICULT OR IT'S NOT PERFECT AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS.BUT I, I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THAT SENTIMENT FROM, FROM MR. MARTINEZ WAS REALLY BEAUTIFUL.
LIKE A LOT OF TIMES THESE PROJECTS CAN FEEL LIKE A WIN AND A LOSS.
YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTS ON CHESTNUT FEEL LIKE IF THE PROJECT'S APPROVED, THEY LOST AND STARBUCKS WON.
AND I, I, I DON'T LOOK AT IT THAT WAY.
I, I FEEL LIKE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS TONIGHT, LAHABRA WON.
UM, AN APPLICANT CAME HERE WITH A PLAN TO DO BUSINESS, AND THAT PLAN WAS LOOKED AT DISSECTED, UM, MAYBE NOT THE SAME WAY THAT EVERYBODY IN THE ROOM WISH IT WOULD HAVE BEEN, BUT REVISIONS WERE MADE, CONVERSATIONS WERE, HAD A LOT OF THOUGHT WAS PUT INTO IT.
AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, I FEEL LIKE IT WOULD BE SO SHORTSIGHTED FOR ANY OF US TO SAY, WELL, THAT'S JUST A LOSS FOR ME.
I DON'T THINK ANY PROJECT IS PERFECT.
IF THIS PROJECT WERE PERFECT, UM, THE, ALL THE OPPOSITION THAT'S IN THE ROOM TONIGHT WOULDN'T BE HERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK THERE IS SUCH A THING AS A PERFECT PROJECT, BUT I THINK THE PROJECT FINALLY IS GOOD.
AND ONE OF THE RESIDENTS, I THINK MR. WOOD WAS ASKING FOR, YOU KNOW, A CONTACT, UH, AS CONCERNS MAY ARISE.
AND I, I WANTED TO SHARE THAT WITH YOU AND THE REST OF THE RESIDENTS.
I THINK SONYA LOUIE, WITH OUR PLANNING DIVISION AND MICHAEL PLOTNICK BEING READILY AVAILABLE TONIGHT AND THROUGH THE DURATION OF THIS PROJECT, UM, ARE TWO NAMES AND FACES THAT YOU COULD REFER TO.
AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO TO BE, YOU KNOW, THAT DILIGENT RESIDENT IF THE PROJECT WERE TO BE APPROVED TONIGHT.
UM, NOT TO POLICE IT, BUT TO HOLD, YOU KNOW, STARBUCKS AS A COMPANY WHO IS DOING BUSINESS IN OUR CITY, WHO WE LOVE, THAT WE LOVE SO MUCH, HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.
YOU KNOW, IF THE PROJECT IS APPROVED WITHIN THESE CONDITIONS, THEY NEED TO OPERATE WITHIN THOSE CONDITIONS.
AND IF MR. ANI AND HIS STAFF ARE NOT DOING SO, THEN THEY NEED TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.
AND THE WAY THAT THEY CAN BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE IS BY YOU SPEAKING UP.
AND IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE SIX MONTHS IN.
UH, AND WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, AND I BELIEVE THAT OUR STAFF IS REALLY DILIGENT ABOUT THAT.
SO ALL OF THAT, UM, I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO SAY AND IMPORTANT TO COMMUNICATE.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH ZERO FIVE AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 23 DASH ZERO THREE TO CONSTRUCT AND OPERATE A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT STARBUCKS COFFEE WITH OUTDOOR MENU BOARDS AT 5 41 EAST WOODIER BOULEVARD.
AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 0 3, CLASS THREE, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES OF THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL EQUALITY QUALITY ACT GUIDELINES.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND THAT.
MOTION MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ROJAS.
EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.
MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO AND IT'LL BECOME EFFECTIVE IN 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS THIS EVENING FROM STAFF? UM, YES.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE, UH, I APPRECIATE THE TIME WORKING WITH COMMISSIONER ROJAS, UM, AS IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING WITH YOU AND YOUR ROLE ON, ON THE COMMISSION, I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE THE, UH, COMMISSION AWARE.
AT YOUR NEXT MEETING WE'LL BE BRINGING SOME NEW STAFF MEMBERS TO PRESENT PROJECTS TO YOU.
YOU'D MENTIONED YOU'D LIKE A HEADS UP ON NEW INCOMING STAFF.
WE HAVE A NEW PART-TIME ASSOCIATE PLANNER, WHOSE NAME IS CARLOS MOR MOR, WHO WILL BE PRESENTING AS WELL AS ANOTHER CONTRACT PLANNER, DARRELL TAYLOR, WHO WILL BE PRESENTING ANOTHER ITEM.
SO WITH THAT, UM, STAFF HAS NO FURTHER COMMENTS.
THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ.
UH, COMMISSIONER CARDENAS, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR BEING HERE TO EXPRESS YOUR OPINION REGARDING THIS MATTER.
KNOW THAT YOU WERE HEARD TODAY, UM, AND THEN SIX MONTHS.
IF THERE'S ANY ISSUE, PLEASE LET US KNOW THAT THEY GAVE YOU TWO REFERRALS.
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WE'RE HERE.I LOVE WHEN PEOPLE ENGAGE THIS MUCH.
I LOVE LOOKING OUT THERE AND SEEING ALL OF YOU HERE CARING ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE I DON'T FEEL LIKE A LOT OF PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION.
I'M UP HERE BECAUSE I PAY ATTENTION, AND I WAS LIKE, OH, THIS SEEMS LIKE SOMETHING I'D LIKE TO DO.
UM, SO I REALLY APPRECIATE WHEN PEOPLE ARE ENGAGED AND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE CITY WHEN THEY TAKE THE TIME TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, UM, WHEN THEY TAKE THE TIME TO ENGAGE WITH BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN OUR CITY.
SO THAT, UM, I DEFINITELY WANNA PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THEY'VE ALREADY SAID AND HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING OUT HERE.
UM, AND THAT THERE ARE NO, WE ARE ALSO LAHABRA RESIDENTS, RIGHT? WE DON'T WANNA BE PITTED AGAINST EACH OTHER EVER.
SO KNOW THAT, THAT IT'S NOT WINS AND LOSSES, IT'S JUST THAT'S NOT WHAT IT IS FOR US UP HERE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO, UM, COMMISSIONER ROJAS SMART AS A WHIP ROOTED LIKE A TREE, IT HAS BEEN AN ABSOLUTE PLEASURE WORKING FOR YOU OR WORKING WITH YOU
SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.
UM, COMMISSIONER ROJAS, IT'S, IT'S SAD TO SEE YOU GO, UM, SPENT A LONG NIGHT.
WE SAVED A, A, A LONG NIGHT FOR YOU, SO WE GOT TO SPEND EVEN MORE TIME WITH YOU.
UM, YOU JUST ALWAYS, I, I THINK YOUR ROLE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WAS ALWAYS FUN TO JUST KIND OF SIT BACK AND WATCH, BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE YOU ALWAYS HAD A WAY TO JUST SIMPLIFY THINGS SOMETIMES THAT SEEMED COMPLICATED AND QUESTIONS AND THOUGHTS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF JUST STUFF OUT THERE AND, AND YOU WOULD JUST, YOU KNOW, PARAPHRASE YOUR THOUGHTS SUCCINCTLY AND, AND VERY WELL, AND I, I APPRECIATED THE HECK OUTTA THAT.
I'M GONNA MISS THAT AND MISS YOUR SMILING FACE, ALWAYS BEING HERE.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE TO LA HARBOR, AND I KNOW THAT I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE END OF THE WAYS THAT YOU'RE GONNA SERVE YOUR COMMUNITY, UM, AND ALL THE YEARS THAT YOU'LL BE HERE.
SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AND WE'LL THROW IT TO YOU.
UM, FIRST, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE PUBLIC FOR BEING HERE.
AND I WILL SAY, BECAUSE YOU SHOWED UP IS WHAT MADE THIS HAPPEN, IS WHAT MADE A LOT OF THESE CONDITIONS HAPPEN, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT WASN'T THE FIRST PROJECT WE SAW IN APRIL.
SO THERE, IT'S, IT MADE IT HAPPEN, WHICH IS GREAT THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SHOWED UP AGAIN BECAUSE WE CARE.
AND, UM, AS COMMISSIONER MAYA HAD MENTIONED, WE'RE ALL RESIDENTS HERE TOO.
UM, SO WE ALL WANT SOMETHING GOOD FOR NOT JUST US, BUT OUR KIDS AS WELL, AND OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, AND WITH THAT, I WANNA THANK THE STAFF.
UH, THE STAFF HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE, ALWAYS, UM, NO COMPLAINTS WHATSOEVER.
DEFINITELY STELLAR STAFF AND, UM, YOU GUYS DO GREAT WORK AND GREAT THINGS, AND YOU GUYS ARE ALWAYS, UH, ON TOP OF IT AND SOME OF THE MOST EFFICIENT, UM, PUBLIC EMPLOYEES THAT I HAVE DEALT WITH AND I DEAL WITH A LOT
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFICIENT AND VERY PROFESSIONAL, UM, PROFESSIONALISM ALWAYS.
UM, AND ALSO TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
UM, I KNOW HOW TO PICK THE LAST NIGHT FOR SURE.
IT'S, IT'S GREAT THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE CLOSURE WITH THIS PROJECT, SO THAT'S, THAT'S NICE.
AND YES, THANK YOU TO ALL MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS.
UM, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO GREAT.
AND UH, YES, IT'S NOT FOREVER.
I'M SURE I'LL BE SERVING MY COMMUNITY IN OTHER WAYS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT AS WELL.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED TO SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2024.