Sep 09, 2024 Planning Commission

THE AUDIENCE TO PLEASE STAND AND JOIN.

AT THIS TIME, THE MEETING WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER, AND I WOULD ASK

[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9, 2024 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.]

COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

CAN YOU PUT YOUR HANDS ON YOUR HEART? A P PLEDGE, ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH WE STANDS, ONE NATION UNDERGROUND, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

PLEASE BE SEATED.

AND WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL? ROLE CHAIR MANLY.

COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND HERE.

OKAY, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

THE JOURNAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS A PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA.

PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A.

SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE TONIGHT THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON ANY ITEM? UH, THAT'S NOT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

I'M SORRY.

ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR OR ANY ITEM NOT APPEARING ON THE AGENDA? SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR AN AGENDA ITEM, NOW WOULD NOT BE THE TIME, BUT ANYTHING ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR OR UNRELATED TO THE AGENDA.

SEE, AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE'LL MOVE TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUESTS SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED, ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.

PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE.

ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED.

FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM? WE'RE GOOD.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I NEED TO ABSTAIN ON ITEM NUMBER THREE.

COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM ITEM NUMBER THREE.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO HAVE AN ITEM REMOVED? OKAY.

HEARING NONE, MAY I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.

MOTIONS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MACHA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARDENAS.

YOU DO FORGET ROY.

OKAY, SO MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO WITH COMMISSIONER RAMS ABSTAINING FROM ITEM NUMBER THREE.

NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.

THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THEN STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM.

THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.

REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.

AFTER ALL HAVE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTIONS IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.

IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE LECTERN OR YOU CAN TURN IT INTO ME.

WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU'LL FIND THE SPEAKER'S CARD ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.

WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.

THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGES BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.

PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS PER PER EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF,

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OKAY, BEFORE WE INTRODUCE THE FIRST ITEM, UM, WE HAVE TO EXCUSE VICE CHAIR MACHA FROM THE FIRST TWO ITEMS ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA.

SINCE SHE LIVES WITHIN 500 FEET OF THOSE PROJECTS, WE'LL GIVE VICE-CHAIRMAN MACHA TIME TO TEMPORARILY LEAVE THE ROOM AND WE WILL MAYBE COME GET YOU.

NO, WE'LL COME GET YOU WHEN WE ARRIVE AT THE THIRD ITEM ON THE AGENDA.

GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.

TONIGHT'S FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR DESIGN REVIEW 24 DASH 0 0 0 7 TO CONSTRUCT A 19 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STERNS AVENUE AND SUNSET STREET AT 1002 1010 AND 1026 EAST STEARNS AVENUE.

DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.

MR. CHAIR, AND COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CHAIR ASH SAYED, SENIOR PLANNER.

AS YOU MENTIONED, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STEARNS AVENUE AND SUNSET STREET AND CONSISTS OF THREE PARCELS TOTALING 0.93 ACRES.

WHAT USED TO BE THE BIRCH FORD DEALERSHIP UNTIL 2009 WHEN IT CLOSED WAS EVENTUALLY PURCHASED BY THREE SEPARATE BUYERS.

5 5 5 STAR DEVELOPMENT NOW OWNS THE PARCELS WHERE NEW PASSENGER CARS AND TRUCKS WERE ON DISPLAY.

A NA PROPERTIES OWNS THE PARCELS THAT WERE OCCUPIED BY THE FORD PARTS AND SERVICE DEPARTMENT AND GSJ STERN'S, LLC.

THE APPLICANT FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT OWNS THE PARCELS ON WHICH COMMERCIAL TRUCKS WERE ONES PARKED AND STORED TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE ARE SEVERAL APARTMENT COMPLEXES TO THE SOUTH IS A ROW OF LEGAL NON-CONFORMING SINGLE UNIT HOMES TO THE EAST IS THE NOW VACANT FORD SERVICE DEPARTMENT LOT AND TO THE WEST IS A RESIDENTIAL TRIPLEX.

EACH OF THESE PROPERTIES WERE DEVELOPED AT VARIOUS TIMES BETWEEN 1929 AND 1962.

THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED AN APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE SITE AS SHOWN HERE WITH 19 MARKET RATE RENTAL UNITS.

THE SITE PLAN INCLUDES AN 11 UNIT BUILDING ALONG THE NORTH SIDE AND TWO FOUR UNIT BUILDINGS ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY WITH ACCESS TO AND FROM STEARNS AVENUE TO THE NORTH AND SUNSET STREET TO THE WEST.

EACH OF THE UNITS FEATURES THE SAME OVERALL FOOTPRINT WITH A TWO CAR ATTACHED GARAGE AND 1,334 SQUARE FEET OF LIVING SPACE.

THE GROUND FLOOR OF EACH UNIT FEATURES THE TWO CAR GARAGE, A DEN AND A PATIO AREA.

THE TWO A DA UNITS HAVE A SLIGHTLY SMALLER DEN AND INCLUDE A HALF BATH ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

THE SECOND FLOOR INCLUDES THE KITCHEN, DINING AREA, LIVING ROOM, AND A FULL BATHROOM.

AND ON THE THIRD FLOOR ARE TWO MASTER SUITES WITH ATTACHED BATHROOMS. AS MENTIONED, EACH OF THE UNITS INCLUDES A TWO CAR ATTACHED GARAGE IN ADDITION TO SIX UNASSIGNED RESIDENCE SPACES AND FOUR EV CHARGING STATIONS AS REQUIRED BY THE CITY CODE.

THERE ARE ALSO NINE SPACES ON THE EAST END OF THE SITE RESERVED FOR GUEST PARKING, WHICH INCLUDE 180 DA ACCESSIBLE SPACE, WHICH SATISFIES THE PARKING REGULATIONS FOR A 19 UNIT RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX.

THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE SITE FEATURES A VARIETY OF TREES, SHRUBS, OR TREES AND SHRUBS THAT ARE WELL SUITED TO THE LOCAL CLIMATE CRATE, MYRTLE AND BRISBANE BOX TREES CAN BE FOUND ALONG THE SOUTHERN AND WESTERN PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.

ARBIT STANDARD TREES ARE PLACED ALONG THE NORTHERN FRONTAGE AND BY THE TRASH ENCLOSURE.

THE COMMON SPACE AREA FEATURES A VARIETY OF SHRUBS INCLUDING HEAVENLY BAMBOO, WIRE GLASS AND ENGLISH LAVENDER, AND THE ENTRANCES EACH FEATURE ROSEMARY TEXAS PRI AS WELL AS SHREDDED BARK GROUND COVER AS REQUIRED BY THE LA HABER BOULEVARD SPECIFIC PLAN.

THE ARCHITECTURE FEATURES A SPANISH INFLUENCE DESIGN WITH EARTH TONE STUCCO, A BROWN CLAY TILE ROOF WROUGHT IRON ACCENTS ON THE

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AWNINGS AND BALCONIES AND ARCH DESIGN ELEMENTS.

THE ELEVATION AT THE TOP IS OF BUILDING ONE AS SEEN FROM STEARNS AVENUE AND THE ELEVATION AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT IS THE VIEW OF BUILDINGS TWO AND THREE FROM THE INTERIOR DRY VILE AS REQUIRED FOR ALL MULTI-UNIT DEVELOPMENTS.

THIS APARTMENT COMPLEX FEATURES A 1,267 SQUARE FOOT COMMON OPEN SPACE AREA THAT INCLUDES A TRELLIS, PICNIC TABLES, BARBECUE UNITS, AND A CHILDREN'S PLAY AREA.

EACH OF THE UNITS ALSO INCLUDES A 114 SQUARE FOOT PRIVATE PATIO AREA ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND A 115 SQUARE FOOT PRIVATE BALCONY ON THE SECOND FLOOR.

AS I MENTIONED, THIS SITE HAS REMAINED VACANT FOR NEARLY 15 YEARS NOW.

THE PROPOSED 19 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX WILL REDEVELOP THIS SITE WITH AN ALLOWABLE USE AS ENVISIONED IN THE LA HUBBER BOULEVARD.

SPECIFIC PLAN.

STAFF RECOMMENDS THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THIS PROJECT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.

UM, BEFORE WE DO THAT, UM, WE DO HAVE ONE MODIFICATION TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TODAY, WHICH IS WHY I HANDED OUT THE REVISED RESOLUTION.

UM, IT WAS, IT WAS CONDITION NUMBER 18, UH, REGARDING A, UH, BACKGROUND CHECK FOR, UM, ANY OF THE POTENTIAL, UM, POTENTIAL TENANTS.

UH, IT'S BEEN REMOVED, UM, AND WORKED OUT WITH THE APPLICANT, SO THE REVISED RESOLUTION AND REVISED CONDITIONS ARE WITH YOU.

THANK YOU, ASH.

YEAH, I CAN CONFIRM THAT THE COMMISSION DID RECEIVE THOSE REVISIONS.

UM, AT THIS TIME I'LL JUST TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AND ASK IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU OR THE APPLICANT.

UM, WE'LL GO COMMISSIONER GOMEZ.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YET.

COMMISSIONER SLAND? YES, ASH ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, UH, BLOCK AT ALL, ALL ALONG ALLEY.

DOES HAVE THE OPENINGS IN AT ALL OR IS IT A SOLID ALL ACROSS? IT'S A SOLID BLOCK WALL.

UM, IT IS AFTER THE, AFTER THE DEDICATION FOR THE ALLEY.

UM, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A FIVE FOOT WIDE, LET ME, WELL, YOU COULD PROBABLY SEE IT KIND OF, BUT YES, ON THE, UH, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, THAT UH, LITTLE WHITE AREA, IF YOU LOOK AT, FOR EXAMPLE, UNITS 13 AND 14 UHHUH , UM, IT'S A FIVE FOOT WIDE WALKWAY.

SO BETWEEN THE BLOCK WALL FOR THE, THE PATIO AREA AND THE BLOCK WALL FOR THE, THE PROPERTY BOUNDARY, IT'S FIVE FEET.

SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONDITION VINES OR SOME SORT OF, UM, AESTHETIC RELIEF ALONG THE INTERIOR OF THAT WALL, THAT CAN BE DONE.

SO DOWN AT THE, UH, FURTHER MOST EAST SITE, LIKE THOSE ARE THE, UM, TRASH ENCLOSURES AT THE END OF THE PARKING LOT.

SO YEAH, AT THE, AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE SITE, THAT'S THE TRASH ENCLOSURE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER CARDENAS WHO MAINTAINS THE AREA OF WHERE THE BARBECUE IS AND THE PLAY AREA IS THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE MANAGEMENT TEAM FOR THE SITE.

GOT IT.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, ASH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I APPRECIATE IT.

UM, AT THIS TIME WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE PRESENT THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ITEM, WE'LL BEGIN THERE.

IF YOU'RE HERE AND YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

IF YOU COULD JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

MY NAME IS GREG JONES WITH JONES REAL ESTATE HERE IN LA HABRA.

AND FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK THE STAFF, UH, FOR WORKING WITH US ON THE DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT.

WE HAVE HAVE NOT HAD TO ASK FOR ANY VARIANCES, UH, AND WE THINK WE BROUGHT A REAL QUALITY PROJECT FOR WHAT'S YET TO COME IN THE OTHER PROPERTIES, UH, TO BE DEVELOPED.

SO WE, UH, LOOK FORWARD TO DOING THIS PROJECT.

WE'VE DONE SEVERAL PROJECTS IN THE CITY AND IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS I CAN ANSWER, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TO DISCUSS IT.

THANK YOU MR. JONES.

ANYONE ELSE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM? OKAY.

WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE ITEM.

SAME THING.

IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

WELL AT THIS TIME WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL GO AHEAD MR. RAMSON, BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS FOR MR. JONES.

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MR. JONES? YEAH, IF WE CAN GET YOU BACK UP THERE, THAT'D BE GREAT.

GOOD EVENING, ROY.

I LIKE THIS PROJECT.

IT'S, UH, DONE VERY WELL.

IT, UH, MEETS ALL OUR CODES AND THINK IT'S GONNA BE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.

BUT I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

SO WHY ARE WE NOT DOING THE MAP RIGHT NOW, CONCURRENTLY WITH THE THIS PLAN? BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PLANNING ON SELLING IT, WE'RE PLANNING ON USING THIS AS RENTAL HOUSING AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONCEPTUAL APPROVAL WAS GRANTED BEFORE WE SPEND THE MONEY ON THE CIVIL ENGINEERS TO DO THE MERGING OF THE LOTS AND THAT KIND OF STUFF.

SO THAT AFTER WORKING WITH SUSAN, SHE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN IN A TWO STEP PROCESS.

SO WHEN DO YOU ANTICIPATE YOU'LL START WORKING ON THE MAP? AS SOON AS YOU GET US APPROVAL, THEN WE WILL IMMEDIATELY KICK INTO THE SECOND PHASE.

OKAY, GREAT.

AND, AND SINCE THIS IS A, UM, AS YOU NOTED A A RENTAL SITUATION, DO YOU HAVE AN ONSITE MANAGER OR IS IT GONNA BE A IT'D BE AN ONSITE MANAGER.

ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. JONES? NO.

THANK YOU MR. JONES.

I THINK WE'RE GOOD.

WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.

UM, ANYBODY, ANY THOUGHTS? COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND? YEAH, I DO.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF, UH, CONCERNS ABOUT THE ALONG THE ALLEYWAY, UM, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, ON THE SOUTH SIDE, UM, THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE ANY KIND OF LANDSCAPING THAT WOULD KIND OF REDUCE THE HEAT SIGNATURE BACK THERE.

WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE BLOCK WALL, THE STUCCO WALLS AND THE SIDEWALK, THEY DO HAVE TREE WELLS.

UM, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, SOME VINE POCKETS AND, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF A, A HEDGE GROWING UP IN FRONT OF THE WALL JUST TO SOFTEN THE LOOKS FOR THE PEOPLE TO LIVE THERE AND, AND TO, AND TO COOL IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO DISCUSS, UM, WHETHER WE'D LIKE TO HAVE SOME VINE POCKETS ON THE ALLEY SIDE OF THE WALL.

UM, WE, WE HAVE CONDITIONS ON THERE REGARDING GRAFFITI AND, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S OUR STANDARD CONDITION AND, YOU KNOW, EASILY ENFORCEABLE.

BUT DO WE WANT TO CREATE A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE WHERE SOMEBODY'S CALLING ALL THE TIME SAYING WE GOT GRAFFITI, THAT'S SHOULD, WE CAN THINK ABOUT WHETHER WE HAVE SOME VINE POCKETS ON THAT SIDE OF THE WALL ALSO FOR, UM, TO GROW SOMETHING UP THERE TO MAKE IT NOT JUST A BIG CANVAS.

SO THAT'S ONLY COMMENT I HAVE.

YEAH, THAT'S, UH, I THINK THAT'S THE GOOD DISCUSSION.

COMMISSIONER SLAND, I I WOULD JUST ASK STAFF, UM, SONYA ASH, MAYBE SUSAN, FOR ANY RECENT DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR PROJECTS OR PROJECTS THAT MAYBE YOU'RE AWARE OF.

UM, I MEAN THAT'S NOT A STANDARD CONDITION BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T INCLUDED THAT RIGHT, ASH? UH, THAT'S CORRECT.

UM, WELL ALSO JUST A DISCLAIMER, THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN.

UM, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, UH, BEFORE THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN IS APPROVED FOR STAFF AND THE APPLICANT TO DISCUSS, UM, CERTAIN MODIFICATIONS.

OBVIOUSLY BRING UP, UH, GOOD POINTS REGARDING THE HEAT INDEX, UM, AND POSSIBLY SOME ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING ALONG THAT SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.

SO, AND, AND TO BE CLEAR RIGHT NOW, CONCEPTUALLY THERE'S NO CONDITION FOR ANY TYPE OF LANDSCAPING ON THAT SOUTHERN WALL PERIOD.

THAT'S CORRECT.

SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, PROPOSE ONE, UM, FOR POTENTIALLY SOME VINES OR SOME SORT OF PLANT MATERIAL TO BE UP ALONG THE, UH, THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THAT CMU WALL THAT'S ON THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP WITH SOME AESTHETIC AND HEAT RELIEF.

AND, AND TO THE SOUTH OF THAT WALL, THAT ALLEYWAY THERE THAT'S FULLY ACCESSIBLE FROM THE WEST TO THE EAST ALL THE WAY THROUGH, UH, FROM THE WEST, YES.

UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN DOWN THAT WAY TO THE EAST SIDE, BUT I WOULD ASSUME YOU COULD WALK ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

I WOULD ASSUME SO.

WHO WOULD MAINTAIN THAT, YOU KNOW, AND ON, ON THE, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I ASKED ABOUT WHETHER THE MANAGEMENT IS ON SITE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, WE DO KNOW WE HAVE GRAFFITI PROBLEMS IN THE CITY AND IT'S AN EVERYDAY KIND OF THING.

THE EAST DOES DEAD END INTO THE OTHER PARCEL, RIGHT? YEAH.

AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE EAST SIDE WOULD DEAD END MAYBE INTO THAT ADJACENT PARCEL ON THE EAST SIDE THERE.

UM, I GUESS COMMISSIONER RAMSON AND, AND THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, ONE CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IF WE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERED ADDING A CONDITION TO I GUESS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE WALL OR OR SOUTH FACING SIDE OF THAT, THAT WALL THERE, YOU KNOW, IS, IS THAT A, A MAINTENANCE ISSUE? UM, DO YOU SEE ANY CONCERNS WITH THAT COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND

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SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S THERE THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING ON A REGULAR BASIS TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO GRAFFITI.

AND RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE CONDITION'S WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST NEED TO GET IT PAINTED OUT WITHIN 24 HOURS IS JUST AS LONG AS THERE'S SOMEBODY THERE TO KEEP ON TOP OF IT, KEEP AN EYE ON IT.

UM, SO THAT, BUT ON THE, ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE SOUTH WALL , I, I JUST THINK THAT'S GONNA BE AWFUL HOT IN THERE WITH ALL, ALL THOSE HARD GLARY SURFACES, YOU KNOW, SHOULD TRY TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE LANDSCAPING IN THERE SOMEHOW.

SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WANTED TO ENTERTAIN A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ITEM, MAYBE THERE'S THREE VARIATIONS ON THE TABLE.

THERE'S THE VARIATION THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US THIS EVENING.

UM, A SECOND VARIATION COULD INCLUDE SOME TYPE OF CONDITION FOR VINE POCKETS OR, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES ON THE INSIDE OF THAT SOUTHERN WALL.

AND THEN MAYBE THE THIRD OPTION WOULD BE CONDITIONING FOR VINE POCKETS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE WALL STAFF.

IS THAT SOUND LIKE A REASONABLE KIND OF JUST LANGUAGE? YES, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S FINE.

I WOULD JUST ADD TO THE LANGUAGE TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE BECAUSE WE COULD FIND AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE LANDSCAPE PLANS THAT SOMETHING'S JUST NOT FEASIBLE AS FAR AS DOING THE VINE POCKETS, BUT THOSE ARE VERY REASONABLE LANDSCAPING THAT WE COULD CERTAINLY REQUIRE.

UM, I GUESS MAYBE TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ OR COMMISSIONER CARDENAS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE THREE OPTIONS, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU FEELING ABOUT, ABOUT EITHER OF THOSE? JUST THINKING OUT LOUD AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, THAT'S FINE.

I MEAN, MAYBE ROY WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, WE COULD JUST GO FROM THERE OR IF YOU WANT TO SHARE ANY THOUGHTS.

I'M, I DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON PARKING BEFORE WE MAKE A FINAL MOTION.

GO AHEAD.

YEAH, YOU WANNA ASK? YEAH.

SO I'M REVIEWING THE ITEM THAT YOU JUST HAVE ON THERE WITH PARKING, AND I ASSUME THERE'S PARKING NORTHEAST MAYBE.

AND THEN IN THE ALLEY, IS THERE ANY ISSUES THAT MAY COME UP WHERE IT COMES TO CONGESTING THE AREA? BECAUSE 19 UNITS IS A LOT OF UNITS, THE ASSUMPTION IS THAT THERE'S TWO VEHICLES PER UNIT.

THERE COULD BE FOUR OR SIX DEPENDING ON HOW MANY PEOPLE LIVE THERE, AND THERE'S ONLY VERY FEW VISITOR PARKING EXTRA SPOTS THAT ARE ON THERE.

SO WHAT IS IS, I WAS LOOKING AT THE REPORT AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN IMPACT ON THAT, THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY HEAR ABOUT.

UH, YES.

SO THE PARKING THAT'S BEEN PROVIDED ON THE SITE, UH, COULD WE GET THE PICTURE BACK UP? YEAH, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

UM, SO A, AS I HAD MENTIONED, UM, EACH OF THE UNITS HAS AN ATTACHED TWO CAR GARAGE, UM, AS WELL AS THERE ARE 10 SEPARATE TOTAL, UM, UNASSIGNED SPACES ON THE SITE, WHICH SATISFIES THE MINIMUM PARKING REQUIREMENT PER THE CODE.

UM, ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING ON TOP OF THAT.

AND BY THE WAY, THAT'S ASIDE FROM GUEST SPACES.

SO IF THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, GUESTS AND VISITORS, THEY'LL, THEY'RE GONNA USE THOSE, UM, NINE ADDITIONAL GUEST PARKING SPACES.

BUT ANYTHING ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S GONNA BE PARKING ALONG STEARNS AND ALONG SUNSET TO, UH, APPEASE THOSE MATTERS.

AND YOU DON'T FORESEE THAT CREATING AN ISSUE WITH EITHER DRIVING OR ALSO ONLY OR ISSUES POLLUTION OR WITH THE ALREADY EXISTING TENANTS OR NO, THAT'S OWNERS THAT LIVE IN THAT AREA'S THAT, THAT'S BEEN ANALYZED BY STAFF.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE THEY MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARD, WE WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO REQUIRE ANY MORE THAN THE MINIMUM STANDARD.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? GOING BACK TO THE POINT THAT, UM, YOU WERE MAKING, I COULD SUPPORT THE IDEA OF ADDING SOMETHING TO REDUCE SOME OF THE HEAT, WHETHER IT'S SOME SORT OF, UM, PLANTS, VINES.

WE, WE CAN POTENTIALLY, UM, ADD A CONDITION FOR THOSE VINES.

I, I, I DRAFTED ONE IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HEAR IT.

JUST LIKE FOR POINT OF RECORD CITY ATTORNEY, HOW WOULD WE INCORPORATE, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE THAT, WE ALSO, I THINK WE NEED TO INCORPORATE THE REVIS, THE REVISION AS WELL.

SO AGAIN, VINES SHALL BE INSTALLED ON THE INTERIOR FACE OF THE CMU BLOCK WALL ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY.

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SO, UH, YES, MR. CHAIR, YOU COULD, WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION COULD STATE THAT YOU'RE, UH, MOVING TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS PROVIDED BY STAFF THIS EVENING WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION AS PROPOSED BY ASH.

I WOULD JUST CLARIFY THAT SUSAN ALSO SUGGESTED INCLUDED, INCLUDING TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE IN ASH WHATEVER LANGUAGE ASH OR THE COMMISSION CHOOSES.

SO IF YOU WANNA GO WITH THE MOTION OR THE LANGUAGE THAT ASH PROVIDED, YOU CAN JUST SAY THAT AS PART OF THE MOTION OR IF YOU WANNA REVISE IT.

THAT'S UP TO THE COMMISSION.

ASH, COULD YOU GET THAT TO ME? UM, YEAH.

IS THAT POSSIBLE? YEAH.

COMMISSIONER RAMSEN, JUST FINAL THOUGHTS ON INTERIOR, IF THAT, IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THE COMMISSION, I CAN LIVE WITH THAT.

I, I WOULD THANK YOU PERSONALLY.

STILL LIKE TO SEE, I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU.

SOMETHING ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE WALL FOR GRAFFITI IF, IF I MAY ADD AS WELL.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERY CONDITION CITES THE ENFORCEMENT PERSON AND THE TIMING SO THAT THE VINES BE INSTALLED TO THE SATISFACTION OF THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PRIOR TO THE FINALIZATION OF BUILDING PERMITS.

SONIA, DO YOU THINK THAT THAT WOULD REQUIRE MAYBE REWORDING THE PROPOSED ADDITIONAL CONDITION? NO, I THINK WHAT ASH STATED AS FAR AS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE VINES WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE IF THE COMMISSION AGREES.

ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION CITY ATTORNEY.

YOU COULD STOP ME WHEN YOU NEED TO, UM, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, UM, THE REVISED VERSION THAT WE RECEIVED THIS EVENING, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING DESIGN REVIEW.

24 DASH 0 0 0 7 TO CONSTRUCT A 19 UNIT APARTMENT COMPLEX ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STERNS AVENUE AND SUNSET STREET AT 1002, 1010 AND 1026 EAST STERNS AVENUE ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NUMBERS 3 0 3 1 1 3 0 1, 0 2, AND ZERO THREE AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO, TO CONDITIONS WITH THE ADDITION, THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT VINES SHALL BE INSTALLED ON THE INTERIOR FACE AND THE EXTERIOR FACE, BOTH ON THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN SIDE OF THE SOUTHERN WALL.

THAT'S THE CMU BLOCK WALL ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY TO THE EXTENT FEASIBLE AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, KNOWN AS CQA PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 3 2, CLASS 32 INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OF THE CQA GUIDELINES.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND MOTIONS MADE BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER SLAND.

ASH MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO AND IT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE IN 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.

WE WE CANNOT GET VICE CHAIR YET, RIGHT? WE GOT ONE MORE ITEM.

GOOD EVENING, MR. TAYLOR.

WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO TONIGHT'S SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.

DULY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR DESIGN REVIEW 24 DASH 0 0 3 TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY DWELLING UNIT COMPRISED OF A SINGLE UNIT RESIDENCE WITH AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, ALSO KNOWN AS AN A DU AT ONE 14 SOUTH COLLEGE STREET.

DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.

MR. CHAIR, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? THANK YOU.

UH, DARRYL TAYLOR.

I'M A CONTRACT PLANNER ASSISTANT THE CITY WITH, UH, A NUMBER OF, UH, PLANNING PROJECTS.

UH, GOOD EVENING.

UP ON THE, UH, NORTHERN CORNER IS THE MAGNOLIA VILLAS PROJECT THAT WAS RECENTLY APPROVED.

AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

THE PROJECT IS SITUATED ON SOUTH COLLEGE STREET AT ONE 14.

IT'S CURRENTLY, UH, A, UH, VACANT LOT PROPOSED TO BE DEVELOPED AS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AND AN ATTACHED A DU, UH, TO THE REAR ARE SOME BUSINESSES THAT ARE RELATED TO TAX SERVICES.

UH, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES TO THE SOUTH IS ANOTHER RESIDENCE.

ACROSS THE STREET TO THE WEST IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

AND THEN

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THAT'S THE SITE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT.

PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.

THIS IS THE SITE PLAN SHOWING THE, UH, FLOOR PLAN OF THE STRUCTURE.

THERE'S LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN.

UH, THERE IS ALSO OPEN SPACE PROVIDED IN THE REAR ALONG THE EASTERN, UH, PORTION OF THE SITE.

THE A DU IS ACCESSIBLE FROM THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE SITE WITH A SEPARATE ENTRANCE, TAKES YOU INTO A LIVING SPACE WHERE THERE ARE TWO BEDROOMS. THERE IS A BATHROOM FACILITY, TWO BATHROOM FACILITIES, AS WELL AS A LAUNDRY FACILITY ON THAT GROUND FLOOR UNIT.

ALSO ON THE FIRST FLOOR, THE SINGLE FAMILY UNIT IS ACCESSED VIA A PORCH FROM THE FRONT OF THE, UH, OF THE, UH, STRUCTURE.

UH, YOU ENTER INTO A LIVING ROOM SPACE.

THERE'S A POWDER ROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

FROM THERE YOU GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WHERE YOU ENTER INTO A LARGE FAMILY ROOM.

THERE ARE THREE BATHROOMS AND TWO, THREE BEDROOMS AS WELL BEING A MASTER BEDROOM WITH, UH, BATH, A PICTURE OF SOME OF THE ELEVATIONS.

THIS IS ALSO IN THE SPECIFIC PLAN AREA, SO IT'S THE SPANISH STYLE AS WELL.

UH, THEY'VE INCORPORATED A NUMBER, NUMBER OF ELEMENTS SUCH AS, UH, DECORATIVE GARAGE DOOR, UH, CORNICES, DECORATIVE LIGHT FIXTURES.

AND AGAIN, THAT, UH, THAT PORCHED PORTICO ENTRY INTO THE MAIN RESIDENCE PROJECT MEETS ALL THE PARKING STANDARDS THAT ARE REQUIRED AS WELL.

IT HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE THAT IS, UH, 430 OR SO SQUARE FEET.

AND ALSO, UH, THERE'S ADDITIONAL, UH, PARK CO ON THE, IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE AS WELL.

STAFF RECOMMENDS APPROVAL.

I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY.

THANK YOU, DARRELL.

I'LL TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION JUST TO SEE IF THEY DO HAVE QUESTIONS OF YOU OR STAFF.

COMMISSIONER GOMEZ.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER CARDENAS? NO QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER RAMS? NO QUESTIONS.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU EITHER.

THANK YOU, MR. TAYLOR.

WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS THERE ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ITEM? OKAY, SCENE NONE.

WE WILL MOVE TO ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED ITEM.

YEAH, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

EVER TURN IT INTO A BACK AND FORTH IN A Q AND A, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY HEAR YOUR QUESTIONS AND YOUR CONCERNS.

MY NAME IS GEORGE ROSO AND OUR BUILDING IS, UH, TO THE REAR OF THAT PROPERTY AT 8 5 0 EAST LAHABRA.

SO, UM, DO YOU NEED A SPELLING ON MY NAME OR NOT? YES, IF YOU COULD.

MR. MONTEROSSO, M-O-N-T-E DOUBLE RSO MONTERO GEORGE, FIRST NAME.

AND YOUR, YOUR PROPERTY WAS AT 8 58 5 0 EAST.

SO YOU CAN ACCESS THE REAR OF OUR BUILDING THROUGH THE ALLEY.

WE HAVE, UH, UH, EMPLOYEE PARKING IN THE BACK, AND WE HAVE PARKING IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.

UH, WE'RE NOT TOO CONCERNED WITH THE FRONT, BUT THE REAR WOULD BE, UH, A CONCERNING IN REGARDS TO, UH, FIRST OF ALL, THE ALLEY, UH, HOW THEY'RE GONNA ACCESS THE OPENING TO THE A DU.

THERE'S TWO BARN DOORS THERE RIGHT NOW, SO DO WE HAVE ANY INFORMATION AS TO, IS IT A AUTOMATED DOOR? IS IT GONNA REMAIN A MANUAL OPENING DOOR? BECAUSE IF THEY OPEN IT, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'LL COME UP TO OUR PARKING SPACE, ONE OF A PARKING SPACE THAT'S THERE.

AND, UM, AND THEN GUEST PARKING, IF THERE'S EXTRA PEOPLE THERE, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD BE CONCERNING.

WE HAVE CAMERA SECURITY THAT ALERTS US WHEN SOMEBODY PARKS THERE WHEN, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO.

SO THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER CONCERN AS WELL.

AND THE SPACING BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND OUR BUILDING WHEN THEY DO CONSTRUCT OR OUR FENCE, HOW IS THAT GOING TO, UM, YOU KNOW, SHOW UP ON, YOU KNOW, IS IT ON THE DESIGN? BECAUSE WE HAVE, WE HAVE PLANTER, WE HAVE, UH, HEDGES THAT ARE RIGHT AGAINST THE, THE BLOCK WALL, AND I THINK THERE'S ALSO THEIR LANDSCAPING AS WELL.

SO WE JUST NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARITY ON THAT.

OKAY, PERFECT.

FOR THE SAKE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE, WE WON'T

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AND THEN IF WE WANT TO PURSUE THOSE WITH, UM, STAFF, WE'LL DEFINITELY DO SO.

MR. ROSO, ANYTHING ELSE? YOU STILL HAVE SOME MORE TIME IF YOU WANTED TO ADD ANYTHING, IF YOU'VE FORGOTTEN ANYTHING? NO, JASON, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE GOOD WITH THAT.

ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE ITEM? OKAY.

UM, I THINK AT THIS TIME WE COULD GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT OR STAFF FOR MAYBE SOME CLARIFICATION ON THOSE ITEMS IN THE LOCATION THAT MR. MONTE WAS SPEAKING OF.

THERE IS PROPOSED TO BE A BLOCK WALL.

THERE'S ALSO A LANDSCAPING, UH, FOR THE REAR YARD.

I'LL GO TO THAT SLIDE SO YOU CAN SEE IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.

COULD YOU BE A LITTLE AND BE AS SPECIFIC AS POSSIBLE MR. TAYLOR ON WHERE THAT BLOCK WALL WOULD BE? RIGHT.

SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A BLOCK WALL ALONG BOTH THE NORTHERN AND THE SOUTHERN BORDER, BORDER AS, AS WELL AS ALONG THE, UH, EASTERN BORDER, SO NORTH, SOUTH, AND EAST.

AND SO THAT, THAT GATE WON'T BE A FEATURE.

UH, MR. MONTE SPOKE UP, UH, IT WILL BE A, A FULL BLOCK WALL THERE AND YOU CAN SEE THE LANDSCAPING CONCEPTUALLY THAT'S PROPOSED.

THERE'S TREES AND GRASS.

AND THEN, UH, ALONG THE A DU THERE'S THE REQUIRED, UM, SEPARATION OF FOUR FEET.

AND I THINK THERE WAS A, A CONCERN MAYBE ABOUT ACCESS.

UM, BACK IN THERE.

IT'S, IT'S, I THINK IT'S HARD FOR ME TO REALLY SEE IT FROM THIS IMAGE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN.

BUT IF WE GO OUT A LITTLE BIT WHERE THAT SECOND ARROW IS ON THE BOTTOM, THAT'S THE ALLEYWAY THAT I, HE'S SPEAKING OF.

AND YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN THAT ALLEYWAY ALL WHERE, WHERE THE BOTTOM, THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER.

I CAN'T, UH, QUITE GET THE LASER POINTER TO SHOW IT MAYBE, BUT WE'LL BACK OUT HERE.

SO RIGHT WHERE THIS SECOND ARROW WOULD POINT RIGHT THERE.

UM, THAT'S THE ALLEYWAY THAT HE'S SPEAKING OF.

THE TAIL OF THE ARROW IS POINTING TO THE ALLEYWAY AND IT DOES DEAD IN THERE.

AND YOU, BUT THE WOULD NOT BE PARKING IN THAT LOCATION AND THE ALLEY IS COMING IN THERE FROM WHICH DIRECTION? IT'S COMING IN FROM THE EAST.

FROM THE STREET TO THE EAST.

I MEAN, IT JUST LOOKS FROM THIS OBVIOUSLY FROM THIS ARROW VIEW, IT JUST A LOT OF CONGESTION THERE.

SO WHERE THAT WHITE LINE IS, IS THE ALLEY THAT LEADS INTO THAT LOCATION.

THERE IS PARKING IN THE REAR OF THE TAX SERVICE BUSINESS.

UH, BUT THAT WOULDN'T BE AVAILABLE TO THE PROPOSED RESIDENCE FOR THAT UNIT.

SO CURRENTLY KIND OF ORIENT OURSELF TO THIS DIAGRAM HERE.

SO YOU COME IN OFF OF VALENCIA MM-HMM.

OR YOU COME FROM THE SOUTHERN SIDE OF THAT ALLEY EITHER WAY, RIGHT? YES.

EITHER OF THOSE ALLEYWAYS WILL LEAD YOU IN THERE.

YES.

AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU AT THIS POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS WAS TAKEN, BUT ON THIS PICTURE THERE'S SOME TYPE OF BIG CONTAINER THERE THAT YOU'D RUN INTO.

IS THAT ACCURATE? NO.

NO.

MR. TAYLOR, WHAT IS LIKE, WHAT IT'S REALLY HARD TO SEE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, I SEE THE, THE, OKAY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE THOSE TWO LITTLE WHITE CIRCLES TO THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE MONTERO BUILDING AND TO THE EAST SIDE, MM-HMM.

OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

DO YOU SEE THAT MR. TAYLOR? YEAH, I DO.

MM-HMM, .

CAN YOU GO FROM THERE AND LIKE TALK US THROUGH WHERE THAT ALLEYWAY IS GOING AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM THAT POINT OF REFERENCE? I ACTUALLY DROVE THAT ALLEY AND I TOOK ACCESS FROM THE EAST AND IT REACHES A DEAD END, RIGHT WHERE YOU SEE THE L AND THEN I EXITED TO THE SOUTH AND WENT TO THE, I'M FORGETTING THE STREET THAT'S FURTHER SOUTH.

AND THEN FROM THERE YOU CAN GO RIGHT AND THEN GO BACK NORTH OF COLLEGE, BUT I WASN'T ABLE TO GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH.

SO YOU MADE ACCESS THERE FROM THE EAST SIDE? FROM UH, I CAN'T SEE THE STREET NAME, BUT THE STREET TO THE EAST OF COLLEGE? YES.

VALENCIA.

UM, FURTHER THAN WHERE THAT ELBOW WAS AT.

AND I MEAN, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO ACCESS BASED OFF OF LIKE WHAT'S RIGHT HERE WITH THOSE STRUCTURES, VEHICLES, WHATEVER THE HECK THOSE ARE.

UM, BUT YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE ACCESS ALL THE WAY THROUGH THERE, UH, UH, TO THE ELBOW OF THAT ALLEY, AS YOU CAN SEE, WHERE THE GRAY AND THE WHITE STRIPE MAKE A, UH, A TURN TO THE LEFT, LEFT AND GO SOUTH.

I WAS ABLE TO GO SOUTH TO THE STREET TO THE SOUTHERN PORTION AND THEN MAKE A RIGHT AND GO NORTH OF COLLEGE AGAIN.

BUT I WAS NOT ABLE TO GO THROUGH,

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AND THAT ADJACENT PARCEL, WE'LL CALL IT THAT, THE MONTERO PARCEL, DOES THAT EXTEND ALL THE WAY SOUTH ADJACENT TO THE SOUTHERN LIKE BOUNDARY OF THE PROJECT PARCEL? UH, NO, IT DOES NOT.

THERE ARE RESIDENCES IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL, UH, THERE, UH, TO THE SOUTH OF THE, I LET ME REPHRASE THAT THEN.

SO TO THE EAST OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT PARCEL? MM-HMM.

IS DIRECTLY EAST OF THAT.

IS THAT PART OF THE MONTERO PARCEL? I BELIEVE IT IS, YES.

EXCUSE ME.

YEP, GO AHEAD.

GO AHEAD.

COMMISSIONER RAMSAY, SPECIFICALLY THE TWO BUILDINGS THERE THAT LOOK LIKE THEY HAVE BLUE ROOFS, WHAT PART, WHAT PARCEL IS THAT PART OF? THOSE ARE PART OF THE PRO THE PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO BY PLANNING COMMISSION.

SO THAT'S, SO THAT'S AN APARTMENT, THAT'S GONNA BE A FUTURE APARTMENT COMPLEX.

COMPLEX.

SO THAT STICKS DOWN FROM THE OTHER PROJECT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S NOT PART OF, UH, MR. MONTERO'S PROPERTY? MR. MONTERO'S PROPERTY IS THE, THE RECTANGULAR WHITE ROOFED BUILDING, CORRECT? CORRECT.

WITH THE PARKING LOT IN THE FRONT.

AND IS THAT PARKING BEHIND YOUR BUILDING OR IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY.

ALRIGHT.

NOW WAS THAT THE BLUE ROOF THINGS THAT WERE THROWING ME OFF? I DIDN'T KNOW.

YEAH, THE WERE THINGS ARE DEFINITELY THROWING ME OFF AS WELL.

SO THAT WAS PART OF THE, THAT'S PART OF, SO YOUR PARCEL AND THE SUBJECT PARCEL DON'T EVER ACTUALLY TOUCH, THERE'S THAT SPACE BETWEEN THEM JUST IN THE CORNER THERE, I SUPPOSE.

ALRIGHT.

THE MAGNOLIA VILLA VILLAS PROJECT WILL BE IN BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.

COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? ANYTHING THAT MAYBE WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE PUBLIC THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS OR ASK OR GET MORE CLARIFICATION ON? GO AHEAD.

AND I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

UH, THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IN REGARDS TO THE OPENING AND CLOSING OF ONE OF THE ITEMS THAT YOU SHARED.

IF IT WAS GONNA INTERFERE WITH, I BELIEVE PARKING.

IS THAT, WHERE IS THAT HERE? AND CAN THAT BE ADDRESSED? SO, UH, THE, THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT THE EASTERN BORDER OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION.

THE EASTERN BORDER OF THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION WILL BE A BLOCK WALL WITH LANDSCAPING.

IT ABUTS A PORTION OF THE MAGNOLIA VILLAS.

THE MAGNOLIA VILLAS IS A LARGE SQUARE THAT HAS A SMALL TAIL THAT RUNS SOUTH, THAT IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST, I'M SORRY, TO THE EAST OF THE, UH, PROJECT ON ONE 14.

SO HIS PROPERTY WOULD'VE, BUT MAGNOLIA VILLAS, BUT NOT THIS PROPERTY.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH.

OR YOU SEE THE BLUE MM-HMM, , THAT'S, THAT PORTION IS A PORTION OF MAGNOLIA VILLAS AND NOT A PART OF THIS PROJECT OR MR. MONTERO'S PROJECT.

WHAT, WHAT PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED ALL THIS CHAOS RIGHT BACK THERE.

WHO WAS THAT? THAT WASN'T US.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR CLARIFICATION? COMMISSIONER CARDENAS? UM, JUST TO CLARIFY, SO THERE'S TWO WAYS OF ENTERING THE LOCATION, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? NO, THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE.

THE ONLY ENTRY IS GOING TO BE FROM SOUTH COLLEGE AVENUE.

SO YOU CAN ONLY GET, YOU CAN ONLY GET IN FROM HERE ON COLLEGE? NO, THROUGH HERE, BUT THEN THIS ALLEY.

YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT JUST STOPPED.

THAT'S WHAT WAS CONFUSING.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY, SO JUST ONE WAY.

THAT'S CORRECT.

THEY'RE GONNA UTILIZE THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.

AND IT WOULD APPEAR LIKE THAT.

SO THERE, THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ACCESS TO THE REAR OF LIKE THAT MONTERO PARCEL ROY.

PARDON ME, SIR? I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO ACCESS, THERE'S NOT VEHICLE ACCESS TO THE, TO THE, TO SOUTH OF THE MONTERO PROPERTY.

I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S THE MAGNOLIA VILLAS, RIGHT? UM, I MEAN THAT, THAT L ALLEY IS WHERE YOUR VEHICLE ACCESS KIND OF ENDS, CORRECT? RIGHT? CORRECT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. TAYLOR.

APPRECIATE IT.

, I THINK THIS IS THE TIME WHERE WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR A, ANY THOUGHTS YOU GUYS OR EMOTIONS? GO AHEAD GUYS.

EMOTION.

MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDING AND APPROVING DESIGN REVIEW.

EMOTION MOTION OF A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, CALIFORNIA

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24 DASH 0 0 0 3 TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY DWELLING UNIT COMPRISED OF A SINGLE UNIT RESIDENCE WITH AN ATTACHED ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT, A DU AT 1 1 4 SOUTH COLLEGE STREET, AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT AND CONDITION, AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 0 3, CLASS THREE, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES OF THE SE A GUIDELINES.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.

MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARDENAS.

MOTION PASSES FOR ZERO AND IT'LL BECOME EFFECTIVE IN 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS, UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY, WE'LL, WE'LL, WELCOME VICE CHAIR MECHA BACK INTO THE ROOM FOR OUR NEXT ITEM.

OUR THIRD PUBLIC HEARING ITEM FOR THIS EVENING, DULY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR DESIGN REVIEW.

24 DASH 0 0 0 6 TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY DUPLEX AND TWO DETACHED SINGLE STORY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS, ALSO KNOWN AS ADUS AT 7 2 9 TO 7 3 1 WEST FOURTH AVENUE.

DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.

MR. CHAIR.

THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AREA, INCLUDING UC, BUFFALO GRASS, UH, SWEET BAY, LAUREL CUSHION, SPURGE, SILVER CARPET, GROUND COVER, UH, LITTLE GYM TREES, SWEET BAY, LAUREL, AND, UH, WILD CANYON.

COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A STAFF REPORT, MR. TAYLOR? YES.

THIS PROJECT IS AGAIN, A, A PROPOSED, UH, SINGLE FAMILY, IN THIS CASE, A DUPLEX AND, UH, TWO DETACHED, UH, ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS.

THIS IS FURTHER TO THE EAST ON LA HABRA.

SO WHERE WE SITU SITUATED CURRENTLY, IF YOU GO FURTHER EAST AND THEN GO SOUTH FROM THERE DOWN MONTE VISTA, UH, TO FOURTH STREET, JUST SOUTH OF THE TRAIN TRACKS DISLOCATED.

IT IS CURRENTLY, UH, SITUATED WITH THREE STRUCTURES, ONE OF THEM BEING, UH, QUITE DILAPIDATED AND BOARDED UP TO THE RIGHT IS, UH, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE TO THE NORTH WOULD BE THE PACIFIC RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY.

UH, ALSO RESIDENCES TO THE EAST.

AND THEN THIS IS THE PROPOSED SCOPE OF WORK AND LAYOUT FOR THE SITE.

THERE'S A 20 FOOT SETBACK FOR THE DUPLEX UNIT.

UH, THE DUPLEX UNITS WILL GO THROUGH THE FLOOR PLAN IN A LITTLE BIT, BUT THOSE ARE TWO STORIES.

UH, AS MENTIONED, THEY BOTH CONTAIN, UH, TWO CAR PARKING, UH, IN THE GARAGE.

AND THE DUPLEX IS SITUATED TO THE NORTHERNMOST PORTION OF THE SITE, UH, NEAREST THE PACIFIC RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY.

THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE FIRST UNIT, UH, ENVISIONS A BEDROOM ON THE FIRST FLOOR.

THE PARKING, AS I MENTIONED, UH, STAIRS TAKE YOU TO THE UPPER FLOOR OF THE RESIDENCE WHERE YOU HAVE THE LIVING SPACE, WHICH INCLUDES A FULL KITCHEN, UH, ADDITIONAL BATHROOMS AND BEDROOMS. THE FLOOR PLAN FOR THE SECOND UNIT IS EXACTLY THE SAME EXCEPT FLIPPED.

SO, BUT WE CAN SEE THAT HERE.

FOR UNIT TWO, THE PROPOSED A DU OR ATTACHED DETACHED ADUS ARE TO THE REAR, AS I MENTIONED, UH, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN ACCESS FROM, UH, THE FRONT AND THEY HAVE TWO BEDROOMS AS WELL AS, UH, TWO BATHROOMS, FULL KITCHENS AND LIVING SPACES, DINING SPACES.

BOTH FLOOR PLANS ARE THE SAME EXCEPT FLIPPED.

THERE IS A TRASH ENCLOSURE YOU CAN SEE TO THE FRONT OF THE SITE.

IT'S ON THE EASTERN PORTION OF THE SITE, I'M SORRY, THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE SITE.

NEAREST THE FRONT.

IT'S SCREENED WITH LANDSCAPING AND BLOCK WALL.

UH, THERE IS A PROPOSED BLOCK WALL THROUGHOUT THE SITE ON THE WEST, THE NORTH AND THE EAST PORTION OF THE SITE.

ACCESS IS TAKEN OFF OF FOURTH, FOURTH STREET.

THIS IS A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THEY PROPOSE AS WELL A NUMBER OF, UH, PLANTING MATERIALS THAT ARE WELL SUITED TO

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UM, FORGIVE ME, CANYON PRINCE WILD RYE AS WELL.

NEXT SLIDE.

SLOW SHOWS SOME OF THE, UH, THE, THE FEATURED LANDSCAPE TYPES.

THESE ARE THE ELEVATIONS FOR THE TWO STORY DUPLEXES ENTRANCES TAKEN, UH, FROM THE DRIVE AISLE.

UH, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, THE TWO DRIVEWAY, UH, FORGIVE ME, THE TWO GARAGE DOORS THERE.

THEY HAVE ALL OF THE FEATURES OF THE SPANISH STYLE ARCHITECTURE AS WELL AS A STONE'S WAINS COAT, UH, TILE ROOFING.

THEY HAVE WR IRON BALCONIES, WR IRON DECORATIVE LIGHTING, AS WELL AS CORNICES AND OTHER FEATURES AS WELL ARTICULATED MASSING THROUGHOUT THE A D THIS IS A, UH, FORGIVE ME, THESE ARE SOME, UH, COLOR RENDERINGS OF WHAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT LOOKS LIKE.

THE ADUS ARE SIMILAR.

THEY ARE SINGLE STORY, SAME ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, INCLUDING, UH, A STONE VENEER, RAINCOAT, DECORATIVE LIGHTING, AS WELL AS, UH, OTHER SPANISH ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES.

ENTRANCE IS TAKEN FROM THE PARKING IN THE, THE FRONT.

THERE ARE TWO PARKING SPACES IN FRONT OF THE, UH, A DU.

ONE IS AN ACCESSIBLE SPOT, AND THE OTHER ONE IS FOR THE A DU STAFF.

RECOMMENDS APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT AS I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, MR. TAYLOR.

AT THIS TIME I WILL TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU OR STAFF.

COMMISSIONER GOMEZ.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

NO.

COMMISSIONER CARDENAS? NO QUESTIONS.

COMMISSIONER SLAND, VICE CHAIRMAN HITA? NOPE.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THE MOMENT, MR. TAYLOR, EITHER.

SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE REPORT.

WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE WILL HEAR FROM ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ITEM.

PLEASE COME FORWARD NOW.

SO, SEEING NONE, WE WILL HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE ITEM.

PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.

HI, MY NAME IS, UM, PATTY MARTINEZ.

HI, MS. MARTINEZ.

HI.

AND EXCUSE ME, I'M KIND OF NERVOUS.

NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE.

YOU'RE OKAY.

YOU'RE DOING GREAT.

WELL, I LIVE A COUPLE HOUSES AWAY FROM THIS PROJECT, AND FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME EXPRESS MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL.

UH, WHEN I RECEIVED THE NOTICE, IT WAS VERY CONCERNING TO ME.

UM, THE TRAFFIC, IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL RIGHT THERE, BUT GO TO OUR STREET, THE TRAFFIC, WE HAVE ONE SIDE FOR PARKING.

UH, I CANNOT PARK, I CANNOT TAKE MY TRASH OUT TO TODAY.

I HAVE TO PARK IT IN FRONT OF MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THERE'S CARS THAT I HAVE PICTURES TO SHOW YOU.

BUT ANYWAY, IT IS SUCH A BIG PROJECT, I THINK FOR OUR LITTLE STREET.

IT'S AN OLDER STREET.

MY GRANDPARENTS BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY IN 1924.

AND SO IT'S AN OLDER NEIGHBORHOOD AS YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE SEEN THAT STREET.

AND SO AGAIN, WITH THE PLANNINGS, IT LOOKS FINE, BUT JUST IF YOU WOULD SEE IT FOR YOURSELF, IT'S JUST A BIG PROJECT FOR OUR STREET.

AND IT, IT'S JUST VERY CONCERNING TO ME WITH THE DEMOLITION THAT WILL TAKE PLACE AND JUST THE DISRUPTION.

UM, WE HAVE ENOUGH TRAFFIC FROM THE MONTE VISTA APARTMENTS.

AND THEN WALNUT, OUR, OUR STREET IS A THOROUGHFARE.

WE'VE ASKED FOR A SPEED BUMP.

UH, MANY TIMES I BACK OUTTA MY DRIVEWAY.

I ALMOST GET HIT.

SO, UM, I JUST NEEDED TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT I FEEL.

MS. MARTINEZ, I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE AND SHARING THAT WITH US.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? GOOD EVENING.

UM, YOU GOTTA BE REALLY CAREFUL TO BE ON THE VERY EDGE IF YOU WANNA EVER GO ANYWHERE.

MY NAME IS LAURA RODRIGUEZ.

I ALSO LIVE ON FOURTH.

I'M UP ON THE HILL.

UM, SAME CONCERNS AS PATTY.

THE PARKING IS OUT OF THIS WORLD RIGHT NOW.

UM, THERE'S CONSTRUCTION ON MONTE VISTA.

UM, ALL THE APARTMENTS THAT HAVE CARS, THEY'RE PARKING ON OUR STREET, BLOCKING PATTY'S DRIVEWAY, UM, PARKING IN ONE SPOT.

THERE'S LIKE BACK TO BACK THREE CARS, BUMPER TO BUMPER.

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UM, IT, LIKE PATTY WAS SAYING, IT'S BEAUTIFUL, BUT I FEEL LIKE FOUR UNITS IN THAT TINY SPOT IS JUST CRAZY.

UM, THE ACCESS OF THAT DRIVEWAY IS REALLY, REALLY SMALL.

UM, AND WE'VE ALSO, UM, YOU CAN ONLY PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

UM, THE BUSES, THE SCHOOL BUSES COME BY.

UH, THEY HAVE A PICKUP ON THE FAR CORNER THAT WOULD OBSTRUCT IF THERE WAS ANY CONSTRUCTION, ANY CRANES, ANY BULLDOZER, WHATEVER THEY NEED TO CLEAN THAT AREA OUT, THAT WOULD REALLY HINDER THE KIDS GETTING PICKED UP ON THE, ON THE OTHER CORNER RIGHT OVER THE HILL.

SO IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE CRAZY, UM, TO BUILD SUCH BIG UNITS IN SUCH A SMALL LITTLE COMMUNITY.

UM, WE HAVE EACH OTHER'S BACK.

WE'RE ALWAYS WATCHING EACH OTHER.

HEY, THIS IS GOING ON.

WE'RE WE, WE'RE A COMMUNITY.

UM, LIKE PATTY SAID, I'VE BEEN LIVING THERE FOR 21 YEARS.

UM, MY NEIGHBORS ARE MY BEST FRIENDS.

THEY CHECK ON OUR HOUSE, THEY CHECK ON OUR HEALTH.

UM, SO TO BUILD SOMETHING SO BIG IS GONNA, IS GONNA RUIN THAT COMMUNITY.

HMM.

THANK YOU MS. RODRIGUEZ.

ANYONE ELSE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO SPEAK AN OPPOSITION OF THE ITEM? OKAY, AT THIS TIME, I'LL JUST INVITE THE COMMISSION BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO HEAR, UM, MAYBE ASK ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF OR ANY TYPE OF RESPONSE FROM STAFF TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE PROPOSED.

I HAVE A QUESTION INITIALLY, UM, THERE WAS REFERENCE TO THERE'S ONLY PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S ONLY ONE PARKING, PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET OR THERE'S JUST ALWAYS, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST CARS THERE OR, OR, OR WHAT THAT MEANS.

MR. TAYLOR, DO YOU KNOW, UH, WHEN I WAS THERE, THERE IS PARKING ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET.

UH, IT WAS, UH, DURING TRASH PICKUP.

SO THE TRASH TRUCK WAS GOING, UH, TO THE EAST.

UM, IS THAT THE SOUTH OR THE NORTH SIDE OF THE STREET? UH, THE NORTH SIDE.

SO PARKING ON THE NORTH SIDE? NO PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE DUE TO, I DIDN'T SEE ANY CARS ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

MAYBE THERE'S NO NIGHTTIME PERMITS, OVERNIGHT PARKING OR ANYTHING FOR THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET.

I KNOW IT'S LIMITED IN VARIOUS AREAS.

IT'S A NARROW, IT'S A NARROW SUITE.

I DON'T WANT TO, THERE'S, YOU'RE GOOD.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO TURN THIS INTO A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH.

WE HAVE SOME DECORUM WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN, BUT I APPRECIATE YOU.

UM, JUST FOR THE REST OF THE COMMISSION, ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM, CLARIFICATION THAT WE WANTED TO GET FROM STAFF VICE CHAIR? I, I HAVE A QUESTION.

UM, BECAUSE AS A PARENT WHOSE CHILD RIDES THE BUS AND WHO SEES THE SORT OF, AND I ALSO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH NARROW STREETS.

, I REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT'S LIKE.

OLD NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S DO I? YEP.

TWO PER HOUSEHOLD, PER HOME.

OLD NEIGHBORHOOD STREETS, YOU KNOW, WHERE IN, IN SOME CASES YOU JUST CAN'T WIDEN 'EM AND, YOU KNOW, THAT SORT OF THING.

HAS THERE BEEN, I I, I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD THEY NEED TO TALK TO ABOUT COORDINATING THEIR CONSTRUCTION EFFORTS WITH BUS STOPS? BECAUSE I MEAN, THAT'S A HAZARD TO, YOU KNOW, KIDS, IT'S GONNA AFFECT TRAFFIC.

I MEAN THAT SORT, BUT WHO, WHERE, WHERE WOULD, WHO WOULD THEY TALK TO AT THE CITY ABOUT THAT? I MEAN, IT'S, THEY CAN DISCUSS THAT ISSUE WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.

I THINK ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THE PUBLIC STREET SHOULD BE REFERRED TO THEM.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS PURVIEW OVER.

ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO MENTION ABOUT THAT IS IT IS CONDITIONED SUCH THAT ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO TAKE PLACE ON THE SITE.

SO YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES, CRANES, OR OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD BE PARKED ON THE STREET.

SO THE DEMO, ALL THOSE ACTIVITIES SHOULD OCCUR ON SITE AND ALL OF THE CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS THAT WOULD NEED TO BE STORED WOULD ALSO BE STORED ON SITE DURING CONSTRUCTION.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? AND JUST ON THAT, IF, IF THE COMMUNITY HAS ANY CONCERNS WHILE THERE IS CONSTRUCTION, POLICE CONTACT OUR DEPARTMENT, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S BEING ENFORCED.

I, I ALSO WANTED TO JUST CLARIFY THE PARKING RESTRICTIONS IN LA HABRA, THE, IN GENERAL, GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S STILL PERMITS ARE GIVEN FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING.

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WHAT, WHAT'S THAT? I'M SORRY.

WE DON'T HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HERE.

UH, THERE MAY BE SOME PEOPLE WHO CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION BASED ON THEIR HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TONIGHT.

MAYBE MAYBE WHEN WE GET TO DISCUSSION IN A MOMENT, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

ANYTHING ELSE FOR STAFF? WE CAN, I DO, GO AHEAD.

CAN YOU PLEASE REMIND ME AGAIN AS TO THE BACK UNITS? WHERE'S THE PARKING FOR THAT OR HOW DO THEY GET THROUGH? UH, IT'S DIFFICULT TO SEE WHAT THE LASER POINTER, BUT IF YOU SEE WHERE THE DRIVEWAY AXIS IS, IF YOU DRIVE DIRECTLY NORTH, UH, TO THE AREA THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN THAT TEAL COLOR, THERE ARE TWO PARKING SPACES RIGHT THERE AND THERE.

MAYBE WE'LL GET A DIFFERENT VIEW.

THAT'LL HELP US MAYBE.

HERE, THERE WE GO.

THIS IS BETTER.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE PLAN.

THE TWO ARROWS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THE, UH, THE ADUS.

YEAH, THOSE WOULD BE THE TWO PARKING SPACES.

AND THAT THAT OPEN SPACE SOUTH OF THOSE TWO TRIANGLE ARROWS IS IS DRIVEWAY.

THAT'S ALL DRIVEWAY.

AND THIS PARCEL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS, IT'S LIKE 7,200 SQUARE FEET OR SOMETHING? 78.

OH EIGHT SOMETHING.

78 SOMETHING.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF? OKAY.

I THINK I, I'M GONNA CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UM, JUST TURN TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.

UM, I KNOW VICE CHAIRMAN MACHA BROUGHT UP A, A GOOD QUESTION REGARDING, YOU KNOW, PARKING PERMITS AND HOW THE CITY ISSUES THOSE.

AND I, I WOULDN'T CONSIDER MYSELF AN EXPERT.

UM, I HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THAT.

MAYBE COMMISSIONER RAMSON HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOWLEDGE ON THAT.

ARE YOU CI RE THEY, THEY WILL ISSUE WITH THEM, BUT IT DOESN'T GUARANTEE YOU A PLACE TO PARK.

IT JUST SAYS YOU CAN PARK ON THE STREET ANYWHERE IN THE CITY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT GETTING A TICKET.

AND GENERALLY THEY ISSUE 'EM TO PEOPLE NEAR THEIR HOUSE.

BUT AGAIN, THAT DOESN'T GUARANTEE.

AND MY LOOSE UNDERSTANDING IS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO SHOW LIKE A, AN ACTUAL NEED FOR THAT.

IF YOU HAVE A GARAGE THAT'S NOT BEING USED FOR PARKING.

UM, I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THE CURRENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT ARE.

I, I KNOW, I KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT THEY DON'T ISSUE IT TO EVERY HOUSEHOLD.

IF THEY FEEL THAT YOU HAVE A BIG ENOUGH DRIVEWAY OR IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH CAPACITY TO PARK THE VEHICLES FOR YOUR FAMILY OR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING ON YOUR PROPERTY, THEN THEY WON'T ISSUE YOU THE PERMITS.

BUT THAT THE MAXIMUM YOU CAN GET IS TWO.

SO I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GO WITH THIS IS THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT EVEN SINGLE FAMILY HOMES HAVE A LIMIT TO HOW MUCH STREET PARKING THEY'RE ALLOTTED, CORRECT? UH, NO.

I'LL ADD TO THAT ACTUALLY.

ANY VEHICLE THAT'S REGISTERED TO THE HOUSEHOLD CAN, LET'S SAY THE, THE, UH, DEPARTMENT ALREADY SAYS YOU HAVE A GARAGE, YOU CAN'T PARK IT.

THERE, YOU HAVE ONE PARKING LOT.

BUT THEN LET'S SAY I HAVE 10 REGISTERED VEHICLES IN THAT HOUSEHOLD, THAT CAN GIVE ME 10.

I JUST HAVE TO JUSTIFY IT.

SO IT GOES A LITTLE BIT TO THE ISSUE OF WHAT THEY WERE SAYING.

THAT COULD BE SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE LIVING HERE AND WHETHER THEY WOULD HAVE SIX VEHICLES TO REGISTER UNDER ONE SINGLE UNIT.

AND I ALSO WANT TO CAUTION THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT TALKING ABOUT THE PUBLIC STREET PARKING BECAUSE IT IS PUBLIC STREET PARKING.

THIS PROJECT MEETS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS, THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS, AND UNDER STATE LAW, IT'S PRETTY SPECIFIC FOR THAT.

THESE ARE THE MINIMUM AND WE CAN'T ASK FOR MORE.

I THINK THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE THOUGH IS THAT, THAT THESE DEVELOPMENTS ARE ACTUALLY ADHERING TO PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN A MUCH MORE STRICT MANNER THAN A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS.

THAT IS CORRECT.

THAT'S MY POINT.

UM, JUST FROM, FROM A STAFF STANDPOINT.

UM, I, I JUST HAVE A THOUGHT, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS REALLY A, A QUESTION FOR STAFF, BUT JUST MAYBE INFORMATIONAL.

UM, JUST THE WHOLE IDEA OF ADUS IS, YOU KNOW, A NEWER THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SEEING MORE AND MORE OF THOSE TONIGHT ACTUALLY.

UM, YOU, WHEN IT COMES, I GUESS TO OUR POSITION AS A CITY, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE ABLE TO DO AS THE CITY OF LAHABRA WHEN AN A DU, YOU KNOW, APPLICATION COMES BEFORE US, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS THE STATE KIND OF PROVIDED SOME GUIDANCE ON THAT FOR US? UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DISCRETIONARY IS ALL OF THAT?

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SO YOU'RE REVIEWING THIS AS A DESIGN REVIEW.

SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND YOU'RE NEED TO MAKE THE FINDINGS UNDER A DESIGN REVIEW.

THE MAJORITY OF A DU DO NOT COME BEFORE YOU.

THEY'RE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN SINGLE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.

AND SO THOSE JUST GO STRAIGHT TO BUILDING PERMITS AND STAFF CHECKS THEM TO MAKE SURE THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE BUILDING CODE AND THE ZONING CODE.

BUT NO ADDITIONAL APPROVALS ARE REQUIRED.

WHAT WOULD MAKE THIS ONE DIFFERENT? WHERE WE'D NEED TO REVIEW THE DESIGN BECAUSE IT'S A MULTIPLE FAMILY ZONE.

THANK YOU, .

THIS, THIS IS AN R TWO ZONE.

'CAUSE OF THE ZONING.

IF I MIGHT ADD, SO, UM, UH, TO TAG ON TO WHAT SUSAN WAS STATING ABOUT THE A DU REVIEW, UH, WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE WITHIN OUR, UH, LAJA MUNICIPAL CODE, WHICH MIRRORS STATE REGULATIONS FOR ADUS.

THAT INCLUDES RELAXED PARKING STANDARDS, UM, SO LONG AS THEY MEET ONE OF THE EXEMPTION REQUIREMENTS.

AND IN THIS CASE THEY DO.

SO I MEAN, WHAT I'M HEARING IN ALL OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO BE A LITTLE BIT CAUTIOUS AS A COMMISSION ON WHAT OUR ROLE HERE IN ALL OF THIS IS TONIGHT.

UM, SO MORE DISCUSSION, MORE THOUGHTS, UM, POSSIBLY A MOTION.

WELL, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT A MOTION, SO, WELL, JUST TO OPINE A BIT MORE, I WOULD GUESS IF, IF PEOPLE CAN'T MAKE UP THEIR MIND YET, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS PROJECT IS REALLY GONE A LONG WAY IN MEETING ALL OF THE, THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS, OR THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE EXEMPTIONS THROUGH STATE REQUIREMENTS IF THEY WOULD'VE APPLIED FOR THEM, BUT THEY, THEY DIDN'T.

SO I, I'D SAY THEY'VE DONE A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO MAKE IT FIT IN WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TO MEET OUR, OUR LOCAL CODES.

UM, THE, THE A-D-A-A-D-U, UM, SERVE A WHOLE NOTHER PURPOSE IN OUR CITY.

I MEAN, THESE, THESE ARE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

I MEAN, THESE, THESE HELP PEOPLE THAT, THAT FIND A PLACE TO LIVE THAT CAN'T AFFORD TO RENT A WHOLE HOUSE, YOU KNOW, THESE, THESE SMALLER HOUSES.

UM, SO GENERALLY SPEAKING, IF IT, IF IT'S JUST A, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CARS, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GONNA BE A FAMILY OF, YOU KNOW, WITH FOUR KIDS LIVING IN AN A DU, THEY'RE JUST NOT BIG ENOUGH TO HOUSE A FAMILY LIKE THAT TYPICALLY.

I'M NOT SAYING IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN, BUT TYPICALLY THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE DESIGNED FOR.

SO, AND THE DIFFICULTY, YOU KNOW, IN GETTING IN TO THAT WHOLE CAN OF WORMS IS IT, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.

UM, AND, AND THAT'S KIND OF, I THINK I, I MIGHT BE LANDING WHERE YOU ARE COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S DIFFICULT.

I KNOW, LIKE MAYBE FOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, UM, HOW MANY ADUS GET APPROVED JUST BY RIGHT.

UH, THAT DON'T COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION AND YOU WAKE UP ONE DAY AND YOUR NEIGHBOR IS BUILDING AN A DU AND YOU HAD NO IDEA THAT THAT WAS EVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

UM, I WILL SAY WHATEVER HAPPENS TONIGHT, JUST, UM, PARTICULARLY TO MS. MARTINEZ AND MS. RODRIGUEZ, UM, I BELIEVE THE DECISION TONIGHT IS, UM, FINAL, UNLESS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO IF, IF THIS WERE PROJECT WERE TO GO FORWARD TONIGHT, UM, AT SOME POINT IT WOULD GO BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY.

AND I THINK THIS IS JUST GOOD TO INFORM YOU.

I I KNOW YOU WERE NERVOUS HERE TONIGHT, MS. MARTINEZ, AND I APPRECIATE WE, I KNOW THAT I SPEAK FOR MY COLLEAGUES.

WE ALL APPRECIATE THE PUBLIC INPUT, UM, AND YOU BEING HERE.

SO JUST TO KIND OF INFORM YOU OF THE PROCESS FOR, FOR SOME PROJECTS, OUR DECISION IS FINAL FOR OTHER PROJECTS LIKE TONIGHT, UH, IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

UM, IT WOULD BE FINAL UNLESS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO, MR. CHAIR, JUST TO CLARIFY, ALL YOUR DECISIONS ARE FINAL UNLESS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, UNLESS APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS IS FINAL UNLESS SOMEONE APPEALS IT JUST LIKE MANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT COME BEFORE THE COMMISSION.

SO NOTHING WILL GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL UNLESS SOMEONE FILES AN APPEAL JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT IT'S NOT AUTOMATICALLY GOING TO GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

AND WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT APPEAL LOOK LIKE? THERE'S A PROCESS OUTLINED IN THE CODE, BUT THERE'S TYPICALLY, IT'S USUALLY IN WRITING SUBMITTED THE CITY CLERK.

IT'S 10 DAYS, VERONICA, BASICALLY, ALMOST AFTER EVERY SINGLE PROJECT YOU APPROVE, SHE SAYS, THIS DECISION WILL BECOME FINAL IN 10 DAYS UNLESS APPEAL TO CITY COUNCIL.

SO THAT PROCESS IS OUTLINED IN THE MUNICIPAL CODE AND WHAT, WHAT IT WOULD NEED TO INCLUDE, THERE'S FEES AND THEN IT WOULD GO IF APPEALED, IT WOULD GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BUT IF NOT, IT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING DESIGN REVIEW 24 DASH 0 0 0 6 TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY DUPLEX AND TWO DETACHED SINGLE STORY ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS AT 7 2 9 7 3 1 WEST FOURTH AVENUE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

UM,

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AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 0 3, CLASS THREE, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES OF THE SQL GUIDELINES.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.

MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY VICE CHAIR MACHA AND SECONDED BY CHAIR COMMISSIONER RAMS. EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO AND THIS WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE AND 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU AGAIN, MS. MARTINEZ AND MS. RODRIGUEZ FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.

TONIGHT'S FINAL HEARING E ITEM IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR MODIFICATION 23 DASH ZERO ONE.

TO AMEND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 90 DASH 57 TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A DRIVE THROUGH AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT, BARRIA GUADALAJARA, LOCATED AT 1100 EAST LAHABRA BOULEVARD.

DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.

MR. CHAIR, DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES, WE DO.

HOPEFULLY CARLOS CAN SAY THAT BETTER THAN I CAN.

YES, WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORT.

THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL .

ALRIGHT, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

EXPERIENCES AT ANY GIVEN TIME IS A MAXIMUM OF THREE VEHICLES.

UH, CARL MARRA, ASSOCIATE PLANNER, AND I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT THIS PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES MODIFICATION TO AMEND THE CUP TO ADD A DRIVE THROUGH AT THE BIDJARA, LOCATED AT 1100 EAST LAB BOULEVARD.

WHAT? ALL RIGHT.

SO, UH, ALLOW ME TO ORIENT YOU, UM, TO THE PROJECT.

SO, UH, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF EAST HARBOR BOULEVARD AND SOUTH HARBOR BOULEVARD.

UH, TO THE NORTH, UH, WE HAVE THE FORMER BIRCH FORD SITE, UH, TO THE IMMEDIATE EAST, WE HAVE A 76 GAS STATION.

UH, TO THE SOUTH WE HAVE THE REMAINDER OF THE FOUR PARCEL, UH, MULTI-TENANT, UH, SHOPPING CENTER KNOWN AS THE LITTLE HARBOR CENTER.

AND TO THE WEST WE HAVE A MULTI, UH, UNIT CONDOMINIUM COMPLEX.

SO HERE IS THE SITE PLAN, UH, FOR THE PROPOSED, UH, DRIVE-THROUGH.

UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THERE IS A MENU BOARD LOCATED AT THE SOUTH, UH, EAST CORNER.

AND NORTH OF THAT IS THE PICKUP SITE.

AND THAT'S WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED OR WHAT IS ACTUALLY EXISTING AT THE, UH, SITE AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW.

UH, SO A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY OF THE SITE, IT WAS BUILT IN 1955, UH, FOR MANY YEARS AND WENT THROUGH A SERIES OF GENERAL RETAIL, UH, TILL 1991.

WELL, IT, WHEN IT WAS APPROVED, UH, FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A RESTAURANT THERE.

AND THAT WAS, UH, GRANTED UNDER, UH, CUP NINE ZERO TECH FIVE SEVEN.

UM, AFTER THAT, UH, CUP, THE PROPERTY HAS UNDERGONE THREE, UH, RESTAURANTS, UM, AND THAT RESTAURANTS THAT STANDS NOW IS THE BEATER.

GUADALAJARA WAS GRANTED UNDER, UH, THAT CONDITION OF USE PERMIT.

UH, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY.

IT WAS A, UH, ROASTING CHICKEN FROM 1991 TO 2002, A JUAN POEO FROM 2002 TO 2021 AND THE B DL, WHICH WAS ACQUIRED IN 2021, UH, WHICH IS NOW, UH, APPLYING FOR THIS MODIFICATION FOR THEIR CUP.

SO A LITTLE BIT OF CHARACTERISTICS, THE OPERATE FROM NINE TO NINE DAILY.

UM, AND THEY, UH, STAFF FIVE TO SIX EMPLOYEES AT THE TIME OR TO MAN THE, UH, DRIVE THROUGH.

SO, UM, TO GUIDE YOU ON HOW THE DRIVE THROUGH OPERATIONS WORK, UH, EASTBOUND, UH, THEY COME ON FROM EAST LAW BOULEVARD, DRIVE SOUTH AROUND THE BUILDING, UH, ORDER THEIR FOOD DRIVE NORTH AND THEY EXIT BACK ONTO EAST HARBOR BOULEVARD.

THE APPLICANT IS NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION.

UH, IT'S AS IS, UM, THE VEHICLES CAN OR THE SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE A MAXIMUM OF FOUR VEHICLES.

UH, THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS CONDUCTED, UH, TO ASSESS THE, UH, IMPACT ON THE SITE.

UH, THE STUDY CONDUCTED BY LLG DID NOT FIND ANY REASON, UH, TO HAVE ANY CONCERN, UH, FOR THIS SITE THERE.

UH, THE PEAK THAT THE SITE

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UH, AND THE TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS, UH, RECOMMENDED BY THE CONSULTANT, UH, AND IT WAS FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER TO, UH, CONSIDER WHEN EXPERIENCING, UH, THE MAXIMUM OF, UH, MORE THAN THREE VEHICLES AT A TIME.

SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, STAFF RECOMMENDS PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO, UH, CONDITION, USE PERMIT 90 TECH FIVE SEVEN TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF THE DRIVE THROUGH LOCATED AT 1100 EAST LAB BOULEVARD.

AND WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'M HAPPY TO ASK OR ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.

THANKS, CARLOS.

I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

ONE, UM, SO NO CONSTRUCTION NEEDED, THAT DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW ALREADY EXISTS IN THE BUILDING, RIGHT? CORRECT.

IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY, UM, STRIPING REQUIRED OR ANY TYPE OF LIKE, DEMARCATION THAT'S REQUIRED? UM, I'M THINKING ABOUT LIKE THE QUEUING OF THE LINE.

UM, DOES, DOES THE CODE REQUIRE THAT? IS THAT IN PLACE FROM THE IMAGE THAT YOU SHARED? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S NO STRIPING OR ANY SORT OF, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZED QUEUING.

IS THAT, IS THAT ACCURATE? THAT IS ACCURATE.

COMMISSIONER.

UH, THERE'S NO CURRENT STRIPING, UH, IN PLACE AT THE SITE.

UH, THERE'S NO ZONE THAT REQUIRES STRIPING.

THAT IS A CONDITION THAT WE CAN ADD, UH, PER YOUR RECOMMENDATION SHOULD YOU, UH, RECOMMEND THAT.

JUST A THOUGHT.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL SEE IF THE REST OF THE COMMISSION HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR CARLA? IF, IF I CAN ADD, UM, JUST SO THE COMMISSION'S AWARE STAFF DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, STRIPING IS NOT A NECESSARY REQUIREMENT FOR THE RECOMMENDATION.

I JUST WANNA MAKE THE COMMISSION AWARE OF THAT BEFORE HEADING INTO ANY, UM, CONDITION OF APPROVAL.

YOU SAID IT'S NOT A NECESSARY REQUIREMENT, BUT IT COULD BE A CONDITION THAT THE COMMISSION WANTED TO ADD.

THE DRIVE THROUGH IS PRETTY SMALL, RELATIVELY SPEAKING, AND THEY DID NOT FEEL A NEED TO PUT ANY SPECIAL STRIPING TO DEMARCATE THE, THE QUEUE.

CARLOS, COULD YOU GO BACK TO JUST THAT? UM, YEAH, THAT, THANK YOU.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR CARLOS? COMMISSIONER GOMEZ? NO QUESTIONS.

UH, COMMISSIONER CARDENAS? NO QUESTION.

COMMISSIONER SLAND.

OKAY, SO WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY STRIPING DO WE HAVE SIGNAGE THAT DIRECTS PEOPLE IN THE DIRECTIONS OF THE GREEN ARROWS YOU'RE SHOWING ON THE NORTH WEST PORTION OF THE PROPERTY? THIS IS SIGN, UH, WISH YOU COULD SEE IT FROM THERE.

JUST DIRECTS DRIVE THROUGH, UH, IN THAT GENERAL DIRECTION.

UH, AND SO THE, UH, PATRONS WOULD JUST GO FOLLOW THAT SIGN AND THEY WOULD JUST FOLLOW IT AROUND THE, UH, BUILDING TOWARDS THE DRIVE THROUGH WINDOW, BUT THERE'S NO SPECIFIC STRIPING PLAN SAYS CONTINUE ALONG.

SO, SO IT'S SO UNDER OUT ON THE, ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE STREET BY THE SIDEWALK IS WHERE THE SIGN IS? IT SAYS DRIVE THROUGH OR IF YOU CAN SEE THERE'S LIKE THIS LITTLE TRIANGLE SHAPED UH OH, OKAY.

THE PLANTER.

THEY'RE SIMILAR, CORRECT? CORRECT.

IT'S IN THE PLANTER RIGHT THERE.

OH, OKAY.

UH, THAT'S WHERE IT DIRECTS PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH JUST WITH A, AN ARROW POINTING THAT DIRECTION AND THEN FIGURE IT OUT ON YOUR OWN AFTER THAT.

, IT'S KIND OF LIKE TROY'S BURGERS THOUGH, RIGHT? IN THE SAME CENTER? IT IS IN THE SAME CENTER AS TROY BURGERS.

IT'S IN THE SAME CENTER AS TROY'S BURGER.

AND WHICH, AND TROY'S BURGER ALSO HAS A DRIVE THROUGH, CORRECT? THEY DO.

AND THEY HAVE NO MARKING OR DEMARCATION.

I CANNOT CONFIRM THE CHOICE BURGERS EITHER.

I I CAN, I CAN CONFIRM THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE NO DEMARCATION, UM, BECAUSE I FREQUENT CHOICE BURGERS PROBABLY MORE THAN I SHOULD, UM, , BUT I'M JUST MAKING A COMPARISON TO THE TWO.

YES.

UM, ROY, DO YOU HAVE A THOUGHT? I'M HAVING A, IT'S OKAY.

BRAIN CRAMP SENIOR MOMENT OF WHERE TROY'S BURGER IS IS THAT'S THE OLD WHAT IT USED TO BE TACO ABOUT.

YES, YOU'RE RIGHT.

YES.

'CAUSE THAT HAS A DEDICATED DRIVE-THROUGH LANE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING.

I'M CONFUSED.

IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A WALL TO THE SOUTH OF TR CHOICE BURGERS THAT KIND OF LIMITS WHERE YOU CAN GO UNLIKE THIS ONE.

UM, 'CAUSE IT, IT IS THE SAME CONFIGURATION WHERE YOU'RE GOING ON THE WEST SIDE TO THE SOUTH SIDE, TO THE EAST SIDE, BUT ON CHOICE BURGERS THERE IS THE WALL THERE THAT STOPS YOU FROM GOING ANY FURTHER.

I THINK THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING THAT, UM, WHETHER THAT DRIVE THROUGH COULD BE USED BECAUSE IT HAD REMAINED THERE, EVEN THOUGH WHEN THE NEW CUP WAS APPROVED, IT WAS NOT APPROVED WITH THE DRIVE THROUGH.

BUT I THINK, UM, WHEN, IF YOU'VE GONE OUT TO THE SITE OF THIS LOCATION, IT IS PRETTY EASY TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU NEED TO GO.

UM, WE CERTAINLY COULD REQUIRE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE IF YOU FEEL THAT THAT'S NECESSARY, BUT I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THE DRIVE-THROUGH WAS ALREADY AN OPERATION.

THE DRIVE-THROUGH IS ALREADY AN OPERATION.

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SO THIS IS SOMEWHAT A CLEANUP OF THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT MODIFICATION IS PART OF THE CUP SO THAT IT'S EVIDENT THAT THIS DRIVE THROUGH IS PERMITTED.

IN ADDITION, WHEN IT FIRST OPENED, THERE WAS SIGNIFICANT BACKUP ON LA HAPER BOULEVARD.

SO IT WAS A CODE ENFORCEMENT CONCERN THAT CARS WERE BACKING UP ON THE HBAR BOULEVARD.

I THINK SINCE THEN, AS THEY'VE OPENED AND KIND OF IT'S NORMALIZED A LITTLE BIT, NOW WE SEE WHAT THE QUEUE ACTUALLY IS AND IT'S, IT'S FUNCTIONING QUITE WELL.

DID, DID WE HAVE TO DO ANY TYPE OF QUEUING ANALYSIS OR THERE WAS A Q ANALYSIS, UH, THAT THE APPLICANT DID, UH, WHICH WAS, UH, PROVIDED BY LLG.

AND IN THAT STUDY THEY TOOK A SURVEY OF THREE SEPARATE SITES, INCLUDING THE LAHABRA, UH, SITE, AND THEY TOOK LOOK, TOOK A LOOK AT TWO OTHER, UH, ADA LOCATIONS.

AND PER THE DATA PROVIDED BY LLG, UM, THEY DID, THEY DETERMINED THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH THERE COULD, CAN ACCOMMODATE THE ANTICIPATED QUEUING.

DO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE? UH, SPECIFICALLY FROM LIKE THE QUEUE STUDY? SO THEY SHOWED THAT THE SITE EXPERIENCES AT PEAK DURING 4:00 PM AND 7:00 PM AND THEY, BASED ON OBSERVATION ON TWO SEPARATE DAYS, UH, THEY SHOWED NO MORE THAN THREE VEHICLES AT ANY GIVEN TIME OR AT A MAXIMUM THAT THE SITE EXPERIENCES, UH, DURING PEAK HOURS.

UM, BUT NO MORE THAN, UH, FOUR WERE EVER OBSERVED, UH, AT ANY TIME DURING THE ANALYSIS OR DURING THE, THE OBSERVATION.

UH, BUT IT CAN'T ACCOMMODATE TO UP TO FOUR VEHICLES.

AND SO, OKAY.

YEAH, I'LL, SO INITIALLY THERE WAS SOME LIKE PUBLIC CONCERN, UM, AND THAT WAS REPORTED TO THE CITY.

AND WHAT I'M HEARING CITY STAFF SAYING IS SINCE LIKE THE INITIAL OPENING THAT'S KIND OF CALMED DOWN AND SUBSIDED, I MEAN THE TRAFFIC, LIKE YOU'D NEED WAY MORE THAN THREE CARS TO GET BACK ONTO LAHABRA BOULEVARD, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SAID IT HAPPENED ORIGINALLY.

AND SO THE STUDY INDICATES THERE WAS NEVER MORE THAN THREE OR FOUR CARS THERE AT PEAK TIME, WHICH I DON'T THINK PUTS 'EM ANYWHERE NEAR LAHABRA BOULEVARD EVEN WITHOUT SIGNS OR STRIPES.

SO THE PUR PURPOSE OF MEMORIALIZING IT WITH THE CUP, MODIFYING THE CUP TO INCLUDE THE DRIVE-THROUGH, IN THE EVENT THAT THIS DRIVE-THROUGH ISN'T OPERATING PROPERLY IN THE FUTURE, IT BACKS UP, FOR INSTANCE, THEN A, THEY'VE GOT A QUEUING PLAN IN PLACE FOR HOW THAT WOULD BE MANAGED, BUT ALSO IF STILL THERE WERE ISSUES WE COULD TAKE AWAY THEIR ABILITY TO HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH.

SO ONCE, ONCE WE APPROVE THIS, IT COULD CHANGE TO A DIFFERENT RESTAURANT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW? THAT IS CORRECT.

AND THEY, AND THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND THEY COULD HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC PATTERN? THAT IS CORRECT.

BECAUSE WE ARE APPROVING THE USE AND NOT THE OPERATOR, THE USE IN, IN DEFINITELY INTO THE FUTURE BASICALLY.

AND IF, AND IF WE WERE TO, YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THE ACTIVITY OF, YOU KNOW, OF THE BUSINESS KIND OF EXPLODED AND WE FOUND OURSELVES IN A, YOU KNOW, A TIME WHERE CARS HAD NO IDEA WHERE TO GO AND IT JUST WAS KIND OF CHAOTIC, UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO REVISIT? YES, BECAUSE IT'S APPROVED BY CUP, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UM, BRING THE CUP BACK TO YOU FOR MODIFICATIONS AS FAR AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.

IF THEY WERE TO BACK UP THOUGH ONTO THE STREET, THAT DOES BECOME A TRAFFIC VIOLATION THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED.

AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT CLEARLY NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THAT HAPPENING BECAUSE THE LAST THING I THINK THEY WOULD WANT TO DO IS COME BACK AND MODIFY THAT CUP AGAIN.

SO NOW WOULD'VE BEEN THE TIME TO ADDRESS ANY OF THAT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAD ANY CONCERNS ABOUT THAT AND THEY DIDN'T.

SO THAT'S GOOD.

UM, OKAY.

I THINK ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR CARLOS? WE STILL NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, SO LET'S DO THAT.

WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

THANK YOU SO MUCH, CARLOS.

APPRECIATE IT.

WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ITEM.

ANYBODY HERE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? OKAY, SEEING NONE, WE'LL HEAR FROM ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE ITEM.

SO I THINK NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME FOR US JUST TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR A MOTION FOR, I FEEL LIKE WE, WE TALKED THROUGH THAT PRETTY WELL.

YEAH, AND I'M, UH, I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH IT.

HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS? I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH THIS.

YEAH, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND EACH OTHER.

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IF, IF THIS TURNS INTO ANOTHER RESTAURANT SIX MONTHS FROM NOW, IT COULD BE NECESSARY.

I I MIGHT BE THE EXCEPTION.

I WOULD, I WOULD PREFER TO SEE IT STRIVED EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT NECESSARY RIGHT NOW TODAY.

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I, I GUESS IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT I DON'T THINK IT HURTS ANYTHING BEING THERE TO HELP DIRECT PEOPLE AROUND THE BUILDING TO WHERE, AND, AND SOME SIGNAGE SO THEY KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

SO I JUST, THAT'S MY THOUGHT.

I I I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU THERE ONLY THAT IT WOULD COST THE BUSINESS OWNER MORE TO STRIPE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS NOW.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS, AND THEY'VE JUST HAD TO FORK OUT MONEY FOR A CUP.

SO YOU WANNA BE MINDFUL OF THAT AS WELL.

BUT I TAKE YOUR POINT THAT THIS IS APPROVING THE USE AND NOT THE, THE BUSINESS OWNER.

I, I COULD GO EITHER WAY.

UM, I, I MEAN I I I'M THE FIRST ONE THAT BROUGHT UP THE STRIPING, SO I WAS, I WAS THERE.

UM, BUT AFTER HEARING EVERYTHING, I'M, I'M FINE WITHOUT IT.

I, I AM SENSITIVE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST THE EXPENSE OF THE BUSINESS.

UM, AND I'M ENCOURAGED TO HEAR THOSE NUMBERS, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY HAVE THREE OR FOUR CARS THERE AT PEAK TIMES, IT'S PRETTY CLEAR WHERE THOSE THREE OR FOUR CARS ARE GONNA GO, WHETHER THEY'RE STRIPING THERE OR NOT.

BUT I, BUT I, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SUPPORT A MOTION THAT, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS SOME STRIPING AS WELL.

UM, I GUESS I DON'T FEEL STRONGLY EITHER WAY.

COMMISSIONER GOMEZ OR COMMISSIONER CARDENAS? ANY THOUGHTS? VICE CHAIR, MACHA, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? I THINK THAT PART OF WHAT MAKES A DRIVE THROUGH WORK ISN'T JUST THE LANE AND DE DELINEATION, IT'S THE STAFF KNOWING HOW TO HANDLE A DRIVE THROUGH.

AND I THINK THAT WHEN BUSINESSES GO THROUGH THEIR GROWING PAINS AND LEARN HOW TO MANAGE THEIR DRIVE THROUGH WINDOWS, IT TAKES A LITTLE TIME.

UM, AND THAT MAY HAVE BEEN THE EXPLANATION FOR THE BACKUP ONTO LAHABRA BOULEVARD, AND THEY MAY HAVE FIGURED IT OUT BY NOW.

UM, SO, UM, YEAH, I DON'T, I MEAN, I DON'T, I'M NOT, I OPPOSED TO STRIPING OR THAT RES OR THAT CONDITION, I JUST WORRY ABOUT THE COST TO THE BUSINESS OWNER.

I'LL ADD THAT BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN WORKING ALREADY.

I DON'T SEE IT AS AN LIKE A NEED.

AND WE COULD, LIKE IT WAS STATED, WE COULD REVISIT IT IF IT DOES BECOME AN ISSUE.

SO I DON'T WANNA IMPOSE COST OR HAVING TO DO ADDITIONAL WORK BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY WORKING.

SO THAT'S KIND OF, I'M INCLINED TO, DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? I'VE SEEN THE BUSINESS PASS BY THAT STREET.

I'VE SEEN HOW IT FLOWS.

FOR RIGHT NOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S A NECESSARY, BUT IT COULD BE REVISIT LATER ON SO WE COULD MAKE A MOTION.

WE MIGHT GET TWO MOTIONS.

UM, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? TWO MOTIONS TO SOMEBODY ELSE? WANNA MAKE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION APPROVING A RESO TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING MODIFICATION 23 DASH ZERO ONE TO AMEND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 90 DASH 57 TO ALLOW THE OPERATION OF A DRIVE-THRU AT AN EXISTING RESTAURANT BAR AREA GUADALAJARA LOCATED AT 1100 EAST LAHABRA BOULEVARD AS PER THE APPROVED SITE PLAN AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 0 1 A CLASS ONE EXISTING FACILITIES OF THE CQA GUIDELINES.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.

MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARDENAS, CITY ATTORNEY.

CAN WE VOTE, SHOULD WE ENTERTAIN ANOTHER MOTION IF IT'S OUT THERE? UH, MR. CHAIR, YOU HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND, SO YOU SHOULD BE VOTING ON THAT MOTION.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S DO THAT.

MOTION PASSES 41.

AND THIS WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE IN 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.

DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF? I HAVE NO COMMENTS THIS EVENING.

ANY COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER GOMEZ? NO COMMENTS.