Sep 23, 2024 Planning Commission

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OKAY,

[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 2024 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.]

AT THIS TIME, THE MEETING WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER AND I'LL INVITE YOU ALL TO PLEASE STAND AND JOIN COMMISSIONER CARDENAS IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, STAND UP, PUT YOUR HEAD OVER YOUR HEART PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WHICH ASSESS ONE NATION UNDER GOD WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

PLEASE BE SEATED.

WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLE CHAIR MANLEY? HERE.

VICE CHAIR MACHA.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER CARDENA.

HERE.

COMMISSIONER GOMEZ HERE.

COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND HERE.

SO MUCH BETTER THAN I COULD SEE YOUR NAME.

OKAY, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS EVENING.

PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH THE TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

THE JOURNAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA.

PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A.

SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING.

OKAY.

DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, OR ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT APPEARING ON THE AGENDA THIS EVENING? OKAY.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUESTS SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED.

ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.

PUBLIC COMMENT SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE AND TWO.

ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED.

FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM? OKAY, COMMISSIONER RAMSON, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO HAVE AN ITEM REMOVED? OKAY.

HEARING NONE, MAY I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND.

MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MACHA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARDENAS.

EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTE.

I'M MOTION PASSES.

FIVE ZERO.

OKAY, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.

THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.

THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THEN STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM.

THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.

REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.

AFTER ALL HAVE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTIONS IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.

IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT, FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE LECTERN.

WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU WILL FIND THE SPEAKER'S CARDS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.

WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.

THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGE BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.

PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

TONIGHT'S FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH SIX TO REMODEL THE BUILDING IN SITE FOR AN EXISTING DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT CHICK-FIL-A LOCATED AT 18 0 1 WEST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.

DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.

MR. CHAIR, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.

FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT DON'T KNOW ME, MY NAME IS SONYA

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I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU WITH THIS PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH ZERO SIX.

THE PROPOSED PROJECT BEFORE YOU INVOLVES A COMPREHENSIVE REMODEL TO THE EXISTING BUILDING IN SITE THAT IS CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY LA HABER'S, CHICK-FIL-A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT.

THE PROJECT SITE IS SHOWN HIGHLIGHTED WITH THE RED BORDER.

AS YOU CAN SEE, CHICK-FIL-A IS LOCATED WITHIN THE LARGER LA HABRA MARKETPLACE SHOPPING CENTER TO THE NORTH OF THAT SHOPPING CENTER AND ACROSS COYOTE CREEK.

THERE IS AN EXISTING RAISING CANES RESTAURANT, BLACK BEAR DINER, AS WELL AS SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND APARTMENTS TO THE EAST.

THERE IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL STRIP SHOPPING CENTER.

HERE YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, UM, THE OTHER PORTION OF THE MARKETPLACE TO THE SOUTH AND ACROSS IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.

THERE ARE TWO OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS WHICH INCLUDE BOTH THE PALM COURT SHOPPING CENTER AND THE WEST RIDGE PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER.

FINALLY, IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST ACROSS BEACH BOULEVARD, THERE IS AN EXISTING COMMERCIAL CENTER WHICH IS ANCHORED BY THE CITY'S TRADER JOE'S BURLINGTON COAT FACTORY AND CVS PHARMACY.

THE AS PROPOSED, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ADD 544 SQUARE FEET AND THIS AREA IS SHOWN SHADED IN PURPLE.

THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDES THE CONSTRUCTION OF TWO DETACHED CANOPIES TO ENHANCE THE EXISTING DRIVE-THROUGH THESE CANOPIES ARE SHOWN, HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW.

LASTLY, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO ADD A NEW THREE BIN TRASH ENCLOSURE, WHICH IS DEPICTED IN THE AREA WITH THE DASH RED LINES TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE.

I'D JUST LIKE TO WALK THROUGH SOME OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING DESIGN CHANGES.

THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE FACADE TO MATCH THE OVERALL NEW LOOK OF THE LA HABA MARKETPLACE SHOPPING CENTER, WHICH INCLUDES, UM, A PALETTE WITH BOTH A BASE WHITE BACKGROUND, GRAY TONES, AS WELL AS THE, UH, CLOTH CANOPIES AND TOPPED OFF WITH THE A CORNICE TREATMENT.

THIS IS THE ELEVATION WITH THE MAIN ENTRANCE.

THE PICTURE ABOVE SHOWS THE EXISTING CHICK-FIL-A ELEVATION, AND THE PICTURE BELOW SHOWS THE PROPOSED, UH, FACADE IMPROVEMENT.

THIS IS THE OPPOSITE, UM, SIDE OF THE BUILDING ON THE EAST SIDE.

AGAIN, A PHOTO AT THE TOP SHOWING THE EXISTING BUILDING CONDITION AND THE RENDERING BELOW SHOWING THE PROPOSED FACADE REMODEL.

THIS IS THE VIEW OF CHICK-FIL-A UM, FROM IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.

AGAIN, UM, THE PHOTO ABOVE SHOWING THE EXISTING CONDITION AND THE PROPOSED FACADE IMPROVEMENT BELOW.

AND, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THIS IS THE REAR ELEVATION WHICH FACES THE INTERIOR OF THE SHOPPING CENTER, UM, WITH THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ELEVATIONS SHOWN ON THE SLIDE.

STAFF EVALUATED BOTH THE PARKING AND ONSITE CIRCULATION PER THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL CODE.

A DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT REQUIRES A MINIMUM EIGHT PARKING SPACES FOR EACH 1000 SQUARE FEET OR A TOTAL OF 32 SPACES WITHIN THIS LEASE AREA RESERVED FOR CHICK-FIL-A THEY ARE PROVIDING A TOTAL OF 38 SPACES, WHICH IS THEY'RE EXCEEDING THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT BY SIX SPACES, AND THIS INCLUDES TWO 80 DA PARKING STALLS.

AND JUST AS A NOTE, THE CHICK-FIL-A BUSINESS IS ALSO, UM, PART A PARTY OF THE

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THE PROPOSED DESIGN REVIEW BEFORE YOU IS INTENDED TO HELP PROVIDE THE UPDATED SHOPPING CENTER DESIGN.

UM, THE ADDITION WILL ENABLE THE, THE BUSINESS OPERATOR TO OFFER MORE EFFICIENT DRIVE THROUGH AS WELL AS THE PROPOSED ONSITE TRAFFIC.

STRIPING AND CANOPIES WILL HELP WITH THE OVERALL DRIVE THROUGH EXPERIENCE.

THE LANDSCAPING WILL CONTINUE TO ENHANCE THE EXISTING STREET FRONTAGE AND THE LEASE AREA.

AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WE ARE REQUIRING THE APPLICANT TO SUBMIT A FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN, WHICH WE'LL NEED TO DEMONSTRATE AND MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE NUMBER OF TREES, SHRUBS, AND THE REQUIRED MINIMUM AREA FOR THE PARKING PARKING LOT AREA.

AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT.

STAFF IS PROPOSING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH OH SIX AS STATED IN THE TITLE BLOCK STAFF'S HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SONYA.

AT THIS TIME I WILL TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU.

UM, COMMISSIONER CARDENAS.

SO TO CLARIFY, CURRENTLY WE DON'T HAVE, UM, A NUMBER AS TO HOW MANY TREES THEY'RE GONNA ADD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THEY PROVIDED PRELIMINARY LANDSCAPE INFORMATION.

THEY'VE BEEN CONDITIONED TO REQUIRE ONE TREE FOR EVERY 20 LINEAL FEET OF FRONTAGE, AND THEY DO HAVE EXISTING TREES THAT WILL HELP MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.

THEY'RE ALSO REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ONE TREE FOR EVERY 10 PARKING SPACES WITHIN THE PARKING LOT AREA.

AND A MINIMUM 7% OF THE SITE NEEDS TO BE LANDSCAPED WITHIN THE PARKING LOT AREA.

STAFF WILL VERIFY ALL OF THOSE THINGS AS PART OF THE FINAL LANDSCAPE PLAN.

OKAY, GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER GOMEZ? I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

UH, COMMISSIONER RAMS? YES.

UM, KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON THE LANDSCAPING, SO THAT WHOLE CENTER HAS BEEN UNDERGOING A MAJOR REHAB OF THEIR LANDSCAPING CHANGING TO MORE, UM, WATER TOLERANT PLANTS.

HAVE THEY ALREADY DONE THAT AT THIS SITE OR IS THAT PART OF THE REMODEL WHERE THEY'RE GOING? SO THERE'S BEEN EXISTING UPGRADES TO THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING.

THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPE PLAN WILL STILL BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE MODEL WATER EFFICIENCY REQUIREMENTS THE CITY'S ADOPTED AS PART OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIRMAN MACHA, THIS IS GONNA SOUND LIKE AN ODDBALL QUESTION, BUT IT'S ME.

SO ARE, IS THERE ANY, IS THERE ANY SORT OF REQUIREMENT FOR THEM TO INCLUDE BOTH FEMALE AND MALE TREES? MEANING IF THEY'RE PLANTING TREES? THE REASON I ASK THIS IS BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN A LOT OF CIRCLES ABOUT HOW MUNICIPALITIES HAVE BEEN PLANTING ONLY MALE TREES AND IT HAS RESULTED IN A RISE OF POLLEN LEVELS.

SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT WAS A THING THAT WE COULD REQUIRE.

UM, WE HAVE NOT MADE THAT TYPE OF REQUIREMENT THAT, THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL.

UM, AT THE PLANNING STAGE REVIEW, WE CERTAINLY CAN CONSULT WITH THE APPLICANT'S LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT OR DESIGNER AND CONSULT WITH, UM, THE CITY WORKS WITH TRUE NORTH WHO HELPS US, ASSIST US WITH OUR LANDSCAPE PLAN CHECKS TO VERIFY THE INFORMATION.

BUT THERE IS NO STRICT REQUIREMENT FOR MALE AND OR FEMALE TREE TYPE SPECIES.

I I TOLD YOU IT WOULD BE ODDBALL.

SO .

THANK YOU SONYA.

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT THIS TIME, SO WE'LL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UH, IS THERE ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ITEM? IF SO, I'LL INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD.

SONIA IS THE, IS THE APPLICANT HERE? I BELIEVE WE DO HAVE AN, UH, JUST IN CASE REPRESENTATIVE.

YEAH, I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO COME UP, BUT JUST IN CASE WE NEED YOU.

COOL.

UM, SO LAST CALL FOR ANYONE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM.

OKAY.

AND NOW WE'LL HEAR FROM ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED ITEM IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION AND COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.

OKAY.

SO SEEING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR ANY DISCUSSION OR

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ANYBODY WANNA YEAH, MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT, IF HE IS PERFECT IN THE AUDIENCE AS A POINT OF ORDER, LIKE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CLOSED.

IS IT OKAY, CITY ATTORNEY IF I JUST OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN? YES, MR. CHAIR, IF YOU CAN DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE PERFECT.

OKAY.

SO WE'LL, WE'LL REOPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I JUMPED THE GUN ON THAT.

SORRY.

COMMISSIONER SLAND.

AND WE WILL YEAH, GO AHEAD.

ASK AWAY.

CAN YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT THOSE SIRENS? YEAH, .

GOOD.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.

SO I NOTICED WE'RE DOING EXTENSIVE REMODELING TO THE, TO THE KITCHEN AREA IN THE INSIDE.

SO I'M, I'M ASSUMING THE GOAL IS TO SPEED UP THE TIME SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT AS LONG IN IN, IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.

HAVE YOU GUYS DONE A STUDY TO SAY HOW MUCH SHORTER THE TIME AND THE WAY IT'S GOING TO BE AS A RESULT OF ALL THIS REMODELING? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

UH, FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME IS DEVIN EMMONDS.

I AM THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF CHICK-FIL-A SO I WORK FOR A COMPANY CALLED 4G DEVELOPMENT.

IS THAT MIC, IS THAT MICROPHONE ON VERONICA YOU HEAR? IS IT OKAY? SORRY.

I'LL SPEAK INTO IT MORE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

MY NAME IS DEVIN.

I WORK FOR A COMPANY CALLED 4G DEVELOPMENT.

SO WE'RE THE APPLICANT ON BEHALF OF CHICK-FIL-A.

SO WE'RE MORE OF A DESIGN CONSULTANT AND PERMIT EXPEDITER.

UM, TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, I'M NOT SURE IF WE HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER OF HOW MANY SECONDS FASTER IT IS, BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT CHICK-FIL-A IS OFTEN EXAMINING WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THINGS LIKE THE ECONOMY OF MOVEMENT WITHIN THE KITCHEN AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DISTANCE THAT FOOD HAS TO TRAVEL FROM PREP TO COOKED TO PLATED IS A LOT SHORTER.

SO WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF SUCCESS IN GENERAL WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS ACROSS THE BOARD, ESPECIALLY IN THE WEST REGION.

UH, BUT I, I'M AFRAID I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT NUMBER FOR YOU.

SO WAS THERE ANY QUEUING ANALYSIS DONE WHATSOEVER, OR AS FAR AS YOU'RE AWARE FROM A, FROM A QUEUING STANDPOINT, THERE'S NO ACTUAL CHANGES TO THE PHYSICAL DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE LAYOUT.

SURE.

WE ARE JUST FOCUSING ON PUTTING THE CANOPIES UP TO PROVIDE SHADE AND COVERAGE FROM THE ELEMENTS FOR OUR TEAM MEMBERS AND CUSTOMERS.

AND THEN ADDITIONAL STRIPING TO KIND OF DELINEATE THE LANES A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR SAFETY FOR CUSTOMERS AS WELL.

UM, THEN FROM THAT ADDITIONAL, THAT ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST REFERENCING IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, LOCATION OF FOOD GOING OUT, WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO AND YEAH, SO WITH THE EFFICIENCIES THAT WE PROPOSE, THERE'S ABOUT 544 SQUARE FEET OF IMPROVED BUILDING AREA.

UM, AND WITH THAT, FROM THE OVERALL LAYOUT OF THE SITE AND FROM THE PARKING, WE DON'T SEE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ANY NECESSARILY LARGE JUMP IN THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS COMING THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH.

ALL WE SEE HAPPENING IS THAT THEY GET THROUGH THE DRIVE THROUGH A LITTLE BIT QUICKER, WHICH WILL KEEP THEM FROM BACKING UP INTO THE, THE, THE ROADWAY OR THE DRIVE AISLE.

OKAY.

YEAH, IF I CAN PIGGYBACK ON THAT, UH, THE KIND OF, THE REASON I ASKED THAT QUESTION IS 'CAUSE HISTORICALLY WE HAVE HAD ISSUES, UH, WITH THE CARS BACKING UP INTO THE DRIVEWAY JUST JUST NORTH OF THE FACILITY.

AND WE MADE A SPECIAL ARRANGEMENTS, I BELIEVE IT WAS DURING COVID AND WE PUT CONES AND EXTRA PEOPLE OUT AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.

AND I NOTICED WHEN I WENT BY THERE TODAY, THE CONES WERE STILL OUT.

ARE WE STILL HAVING ISSUES WHERE WE NEED TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THE CONES BECAUSE OF THE BACKUP RIGHT NOW? SO THAT'S MORE OF AN OPERATION STANDPOINT FROM DAY TO DAY THE WAY THAT THEY'RE IMPACTED WITH THE NUMBER OF CARS AND TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE.

CUSTOMERS DRIVING OFF OF THE CHICK-FIL-A PARCEL, OUR TEAM MEMBERS THAT ARE WALKING AROUND TAKING ORDERS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

UM, SO WHAT I, WHAT I CAN SPEAK TO IS THE HOPE FOR THIS REMODEL IS THAT THOSE THINGS ARE NO LONGER NEEDED.

UM, GIVEN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE SITE, WE CAN'T DO MUCH TO EXTEND THE ACTUAL DRIVE THROUGH LANES ANY FURTHER THAN THEY ARE.

AND SO THE HOPE HERE IS THAT THE EFFICIENCIES IN THE KITCHEN ARE GONNA SPEED UP THE PROCESS AND KEEP THE LINE FROM BACKING OUT.

OKAY, SO YOU'RE NOT ANTICIPATING MORE PEOPLE JUST GETTING PEOPLE THROUGH FASTER.

CORRECT.

BECAUSE THE OTHER THING I NOTICED, AND I CAN'T SAY THIS FOR SURE, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER IT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE REDUCED THE NUMBER OF OVERALL SEATS INSIDE THE RESTAURANT WITH THE REMODEL.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

SO THE NUMBER OF SEATS OVERALL HAS REDUCED, I BELIEVE THE LAST THING THAT STAFF HAS ON RECORD FROM A PLANNING COMMISSION STANDPOINT IS ABOUT 82 TOTAL SEATS AND WE'RE DROPPING TO 54.

WOW.

I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE ACTUAL NUMBER, BASED ON THE LAST REMODEL AND THE WAY THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING, THAT IT IS ACTUALLY 82 INSIDE.

I THINK IT'S CLOSER TO THE 60 65 RANGE.

UM, BUT YEAH, SO OVERALL NUMBER OF SEATS INSIDE IS DECREASING, GIVEN AGAIN, SOME OF THE CONSTRAINTS WITH THE SITE AND WANTING TO, UH, COMPLY WITH SOME OF THE CITY CODES IN, IN ESPECIALLY THE, THE WAY THAT THE FACADE LOOKS.

UM, SO WITH THE BUMP OUT ON THE INTERIOR SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT, WE'RE NEEDING TO SHIFT OUR MAIN DISTRIBUTION PANEL FOR ELECTRICAL AND PUTTING FREEZER COOLER OTHER EQUIPMENT IN THE KITCHEN AREA.

UM, SO WITH THAT, IT'S LOSING A COUPLE OF SEATS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE STILL KEEP EVERYTHING UP TO DATE, BUT WE ALSO DON'T SEE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE ABILITY FOR A CUSTOMER TO FIND A SEAT WHEN THEY GO INSIDE.

DO DO YOU HAVE ANY DATA OF THE PERCENTAGE OF PEOPLE THAT SIT IN

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BUT ACROSS THE BOARD SINCE COVID, WE'RE SEEING CLOSER TO 60% IN THE DRIVE THROUGH 40% OVERALL INSIDE THE RESTAURANT.

YES.

LIKE THE, THE, THE IMPORTANT PART OF THAT IS LIKE 60 40 DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO US, UNLESS TO YOUR QUESTION, LIKE THAT'S A DECREASE FROM MAYBE BEFORE COVID.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S AN INCREASE OVERALL ACROSS THE DRIVE-THROUGH INDUSTRY INCREASED.

YEAH.

SO OPPOSITE PRE COVID.

SO INCREASE TO THE DRIVE-THROUGH DECREASE TO INSIDE.

MM-HMM.

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SO IT'S KIND OF BEEN A SHIFT IN THE BUSINESS WATER, CORRECT.

CORRECT.

SO WE CAN, SO CHICK-FIL-A IS COMFORTABLE REDUCING THAT EXACTLY.

INTERIOR SEATING TO THAT POINT.

EXACTLY.

AND THEN A, I GUESS A THIRD FACET OF THAT WOULD BE THIRD PARTY DELIVERY.

THINGS LIKE GRUBHUB, DOORDASH, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

PEOPLE A LOT LESS ARE GOING AND GETTING THE FOOD THEMSELVES AND ASKING SOMEONE TO GET IT FOR 'EM.

AND, AND, AND THAT KIND OF TIES BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE REDUCING THE PARKING SPACE ISN'T, ISN'T REALLY AN ISSUE BE IF THEY'VE REDUCED THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING .

RIGHT.

SO DOPE .

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

THAT WAS ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAD.

ABSOLUTELY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

ANY OTHER COMMISSIONERS HAVE QUESTIONS? UM, EMMONDS, MR. EMMONDS? NO.

OKAY.

ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? GO, GO AHEAD.

YEP.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

MY UNDERSTANDING, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE I READ SOMEWHERE WHERE THERE'S NOT GONNA BE OUTSIDE SITTING OR LIMITED.

UH, THERE IS STILL GOING TO BE OUTSIDE SEATING.

I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW THERE'S 28 TOTAL SEATS OUTSIDE AND WITH OUR IMPROVEMENTS THERE'S ACTUALLY GONNA BE 32.

SO WE'RE INCREASING SEATING BY FOUR SEATS.

OKAY.

OR SORRY, 34 6 SEATS.

GOT IT.

THANKS.

YEP.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEP.

UM, OKAY, AT THIS POINT WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND, UH, WE'LL GO BACK TO DISCUSSION AND OR A MOTION.

I, UH, I I'M COMFORTABLE.

UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK GO AHEAD.

I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA HABER, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING DESIGN REVIEW 23 DASH OH SIX TO REMODEL THE BUILDING AND SITE FOR AN EXISTING DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANT LOCATED AT 1 8 0 1 WEST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.

AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 0 1 CLASS ONE, EXISTING FACILITIES OF THE CA GUIDELINES.

MOTION'S BEEN MADE.

DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I SECOND.

OKAY.

MOTION MADE BY VICE CHAIR MACHA, SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND.

EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU'RE GONNA STICK LIKE A MALE FEMALE TREE THING IN THERE.

, I HAVE NO IDEA.

THERE'S MALE AND FEMALE TREES.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HECK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I DON'T THINK I WANNA KNOW.

MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO AND IT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE AND 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL FINAL .

OKAY, WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO TONIGHT'S SECOND PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.

DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 24 DASH 0 0 8 TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION, LAHABRA MONTESSORI SCHOOL AT 300 SOUTH BEACH BOULEVARD.

DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.

MR. CHAIR, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? GOOD EVENING.

UH, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, CARLOS MOREIRA, ASSOCIATE PLANNER, AND I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT TO YOU THE STAFF REPORT FOR CONDITIONING USE FROM A 2 4 0 0 0 8, UH, TO PERMIT OR ESTABLISH AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION AT 300 SOUTH BEACH BOULEVARD.

UH, SO ALLOW ME TO ORIENT YOU ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

UH, IT IS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF BEACH BOULEVARD AND SAN JOSE AVENUE.

UH, TO THE NORTH WE HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROFESSIONAL BUILDING, WHICH CURRENTLY HAS GENERAL RETAIL AND A MEDICAL OFFICE TO THE EAST.

WE HAVE A SINGLE UNIT DWELLING, UH, TO THE IMMEDIATE SOUTH.

UH, WE HAVE MULTI-UNIT DWELLING AND TO THE WEST ACROSS FROM BEACH BOULEVARD, WE HAVE MORE SINGLE UNIT DWELLING.

SO THIS IS THE SITE PLAN AS WHERE IT CURRENTLY STANDS.

THIS IS THE, UH, DRAWING, THIS IS THE PROPOSAL, UH, FOR THE SITE PLAN, UH, WHICH INCLUDES, UH, AN ADDITIONAL 920 FOOT SQUARE FOOT OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND AREA AND A REDUCTION IN THE OVERALL AMOUNT OF SPACES FROM 18 TO 12 SPACES.

MOVING ON TO THE FLOOR PLAN, THIS IS THE CURRENT SITE AS IT STANDS, AND THIS IS THE PROPOSAL, UH, WHICH INCLUDES THE, UH, CONVERSION

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UH, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A TENANT IMPROVEMENT AT THE SITE, UH, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A VACANT, UH, OFFICE SPACE, UH, CURRENTLY OCCUPIED BY ONLY ONE TENANT, WHICH IS A CHIROPRACTIC OFFICE.

UM, THEY AGAIN TEND TO RECONFIGURE THE PARKING LOT IN THE OUTDOOR AREA, UH, REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF SPACES.

AND THEN, UH, LATER THEY DO INTEND TO IMPROVE THE SITE.

AS IT STANDS, IT'S NOT IN THE GREATEST CONDITION.

THEY DO INTEND ON IMPROVING THE SITE, UH, THE EXTERIOR.

SO THE SITE IS LOCATED ON AN EXISTING, UH, R FOUR MULTI, UH, UNIT DWELLING.

UH, IT'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING USE.

UH, THIS R FOUR ZONE DOES ALLOW FOR AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION IN THAT ZONE, PROVIDED IT IS APPROVED VIA A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

AND THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH SEVERAL LAND USE OR GENERAL PLAN POLICIES.

SO THE CURRENT MONTESSORI SCHOOL OPERATES AT TWO 30 SOUTH, UH, IDAHO STREET.

IT'S CURRENTLY BEEN IN OPERATION SINCE 2014.

THE APPLICANT IS INTENDING TO MOVING THEIR LOCATION TO THE PROPOSED SITE AT 300 SOUTH BEACH BOULEVARD.

UH, THEIR CURRENT OPERATIONS, UH, THEY DO NOT INTEND TO CHANGE.

UH, THEY INTEND ON KEEPING THEM FROM 7:00 AM TO 6:00 PM UH, MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

THEY CURRENTLY HAVE A STAFF OF ABOUT EIGHT AND FULL-TIME AND PART-TIME STAFF.

AND THE SCHOOL CURRENTLY SERVES, UH, GENERALLY BETWEEN 40 TO 50 STUDENTS AT ANY GIVEN TIME THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL YEAR.

UH, AND THE PEAK DROP OFF AND PICKUP TIMES, UH, ARE AT 8:00 AM AT 9:00 AM WHICH ARE CONSISTENT WITH TYPICAL, UH, WORK SCHEDULES FROM THE PARENTS.

UM, AND SO TOUCH MORE ON THE PARKING SITUATION, UM, AND HOW WE AS STAFF, UH, EVALUATED AND CALCULATED THE, UH, PARKING, UH, PER THE ZONING CODE.

UH, CURRENT PARKING REQUIRES 0.2 SPACES PER, UH, LICENSE CAPACITY.

LICENSE CAPACITY FOR THIS USE IS 50.

SO PROVIDED THE MATH, UH, WE CALCULATED THAT THIS SITE, UH, REQUIRES 10 SPACES.

UH, THE OVERALL SITE WILL HAVE 12 SPACES TO ACCOMMODATE FOR THE EXISTING USE, UH, FOR THE CHIROPRACTIC OFFICE.

UM, ADDITIONALLY, UH, AS I STATED, UH, THAT'S THE CURRENT LAYOUT AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED CHANGES, UM, THE DUE TO SOME OF THE, UH, ZONING, UH, FOR THE PARKING, IT DOES REQUIRE A 20 FOOT THROAT, WHICH DID REQUIRE, UH, SOME CHANGES THAT WOULD ELIMINATED SOME OF THE EXISTING, UH, EXIT TOWARDS THE ALLEY, WHICH, UH, NECESSITATED A U-TURN, UH, TO ENTER AND EXIT TO, UH, THE SAN JOSE AVENUE.

AND SO WE AS STAFF LOOKED AT THE PARKING AND CIRCULATION AND TOGETHER WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER AND DETERMINED THAT THE SITE, UH, WAS SUFFICIENT, UH, AND IT COULD SUPPORT, UH, THE INTENDED USE, UH, FOR THE PARKING.

SO STAFF ALSO PUT CONDITIONAL, UH, ADDITIONAL SPECIFIC CONDITIONS, UH, ON THE USE, UM, THAT THEY SHALL COMPLY WITH THE FEDERAL AND STATE, UH, REQUIREMENTS, AND THAT THEY WILL ATTAIN, UH, THE CHILDCARE LICENSE.

UH, THE PEAK OF THE HOURS OF OPERATION WILL LIMIT IT TO 7:00 AM TO 6:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

AND THE OUTDOOR AREA WILL, THE PLAYGROUND AREA WILL ONLY REMAIN, UH, AVAILABLE DURING BUSINESS OPERATIONS AND THAT THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN SERVED SHALL NOT EXCEED 50, WHICH IS WHERE THEY'RE CURRENTLY AT RIGHT NOW.

UH, AGAIN, THE BUSINESS, UH, THE APPLICANT, WHICH ALSO INTENDS TO BE THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER, UH, SHALL COMPLY WITH THE NOISE ORDINANCE.

UM, AND THEN THE PROPERTY OWNER, UH, WILL SUBMIT, UH, THE DETAILS FOR THE PROPOSED FENCING FOR THEIR, UH, PROPOSED OUTDOOR PLAYGROUND AREA.

SO THAT BEING SAID, STAFF DOES RECOMMEND THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE CONDITION USE PERMIT TWO FOUR DASH 0 0 8 TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE AN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION LOCATED AT 300 SOUTH BEACH BOULEVARD.

AT THIS TIME, STAFF IS HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU, CARLOS.

YES, SIR.

UH, AT THIS TIME I WILL TURN THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU.

UM, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT.

I DID HAVE A QUESTION I I WANTED TO CLARIFY.

SO RIGHT NOW THEY DON'T HAVE THE CENTER WHERE THEY'RE SHARING IT, THEY WOULD BE SHARING IT WITH ANYBODY

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AND THERE'S NO ISSUES THAT YOU IDENTIFIED WHERE THERE'S THAT DUAL PARTNERSHIP WITH THAT OFFICE AND THE DAYCARE? NO.

UM, SO THE CURRENT PARKING ZONING, UH, REQUIRES FOUR SPACES PER A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

UH, THE PER CURRENT USE FOR THE CHIROPRACTOR DOES NOT EXCEED THAT.

FURTHERMORE, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE CURRENT TENANT, WHICH IS A CHIROPRACTOR, AND THEY'VE RECEIVED, UH, A WRITTEN NOTICE SAYING THAT THEY, UH, WOULD ALLOW, UH, THE SHARED SPACE AND THAT THE CHIROPRACTOR ONLY HAS ONLY REQUIRES ABOUT TWO SPACES, AND MOST OF WHICH, UH, IS BY APPOINTMENT ONLY.

UH, SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT WOULD REQUIRE, UH, UH, CUSTOMERS COMING IN.

IT'S HIM AND HIS, HIS, UH, APPOINTMENTS.

COMMISSIONER CARDENAS? YES.

UM, REGARDING THE 10 PARKING SPACES THAT THAT BUSINESS HAS, I NOTICED ONE OF THEM WAS A DA, IS THAT CORRECT? YES.

SO THAT'S OUT OF THE 10.

SO NINE FOR, FOR ANYBODY AND THEN ONE SPECIFICALLY FOR A DA, CORRECT? YES.

GOT IT.

THANK YOU.

COMMISSIONER SLAND.

SO I GOT A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, SO I'M TRYING TO FORMULATE THE, WHICH WAY TO GO FIRST HERE.

SO YOU, YOU, UH, COULD YOU SHOW BACK THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE FLOOR PLAN ON THE INTERIOR AND NOW WITH THE COLOR? SO, SO THEY'RE THE AREAS IN WHITE, THEY'RE NOT CHANGING OR THEY'RE NOT USING, I MEAN, ARE THEY USING THE ENTIRE AREA? CORRECT, YES.

OKAY.

SO THE 10 PARKING SPACES WAS FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING THAT'S BOTH USERS TOGETHER, IT'S 12 OVERALL SPACES, 12, 10 EXCUSE BOTH OVERALL FOR BOTH USERS.

OKAY.

CORRECT.

AND THAT, AND THAT, THAT'S OUR BASED ON NUMBER OF STUDENTS, RIGHT? THE ONE SPACE PER, I FORGOT WHAT PER LICENSE CAPACITY YES.

FOR FOUR STUDENTS OR WHATEVER IT IS.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND THEN ALSO YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, KIND OF THEIR PROPOSING OTHER SITE IMPROVEMENTS.

WHAT, CAN YOU ELABORATE THAT ON A LITTLE BIT? WHAT SITE IMPROVEMENTS THEY'RE PROPOSING? JUST BEAUTIFICATION OF THE BUILDING.

UM, RIGHT NOW, UH, THE SITE IS NOT IN THE GREATEST CONDITION.

UM, AND SO THEY DO INTEND ON, UH, RENOVATING THE BUSINESS AND, AND MAKING IT LOOK PRESENTABLE, ESSENTIALLY MAKING IT LOOK LIKE A SCHOOL.

UH, AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, IT'S, NO, I MEAN, THERE ARE CURRENT FACILITIES, WELL, WELL KEPT UP IN A VERY NICE LOOKING FACILITY, RIGHT.

SO I ASSUMED THEY WOULD WANT TO CARRY THE SAME, UH, QUALITY AS THEY MOVE.

SO.

ALRIGHT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR NOW.

THANK YOU.

VICE CHAIRMAN HITA, I'M TRYING TO, I MEAN, IS IS THERE OUTDOOR SPACE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE BY THE SITE MAP WHERE THE OUT OUTDOOR SPACE, IF WE COULD GO OVER THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL.

SURE.

AGAIN, SO I SEE WHERE THERE'S PARKING.

MM-HMM.

.

AND SO THIS LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN THE ONE ON MY IPAD.

THE OUTDOOR SPACE IS WHERE LIKE WITH THE JUNGLE GYM AND YOU KNOW, A PLACE FOR THE KIDS TO PLAY.

WHERE WOULD, THAT WOULD BE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE PARKING LOT.

THAT WHERE THE STRIPES? NO, UH, IF YOU LOOK IN, THERE'S LIKE, IT'S LIKE A PRETTY BIG BOX RIGHT THERE TOWARDS THE SOUTH AT THE END, AT THE END OF THE ROW PARKING, CORRECT? YES.

CORRECT.

YEAH.

HERE, IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE TELLING ME? UH, YEAH, YOU POINT, POINT, IF YOU ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT, YOU CAN SEE IT SAYS PLAYGROUND.

IT'S JUST A REAL SMALL FONT AND HARD TO READ.

BUT YEAH, IT'S THAT, THAT RECTANGLE GOT IT.

NEXT TO THE, NOW I CAN READ IT NOW THAT I ZOOMED IN SMALL FONTS.

NO, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT REALLY QUICK.

OKAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH CARLOS.

UH, APPRECIATE IT.

WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

UM, ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE TONIGHT THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ITEM, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW.

GOOD EVENING.

GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS MANOJA.

I'M THE, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT FOR US TO HEAR YOU FOR WHATEVER REASON TONIGHT, THAT MICROPHONE IS REALLY QUIET.

IF YOU COULD PLEASE MAYBE STATE, CAN YOU HEAR ME? THAT'S MUCH BETTER.

COULD YOU PLEASE SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? UM, VERA COHN MANO.

SO I'M THE APPLICANT.

SO WE HAVE BEEN RUNNING THIS SCHOOL FOR 10 YEARS NOW AND WE HAVE BEEN SERVING

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AND WE GET BABIES AS YOUNG AS FOUR MONTHS.

SO, UM, NOW WE HAVE ESTABLISHED HERE IN HABRA AND NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO MOVE BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO MOVE, BUT WE HAVE TO MOVE.

SO WE HAD BEEN LOOKING FOR A SUITABLE PLACE MM-HMM.

CLOSE TO THE CURRENT LOCATION FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS.

SO WE ARE VERY BLESSED TO FIND THIS PLACE WHICH IS CLOSE TO THE CURRENT LOCATION, WHICH IS NOT IN A SHOPPING COMPLEX.

IT'S SAFE FOR OUR KIDS.

SAFETY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR US, AND WE'LL MAKE THIS PLACE LOOK VERY BEAUTIFUL.

WE HAVE INDOOR SPACE TOO FOR OUR KIDS TO PLAY INSIDE OUTDOOR TOO.

THAT'S ONE CONCERN WE HAD IN THE CURRENT PLACE.

AND THE PARKING WELL IN THE CURRENT PLACE, WE ONLY HAVE SEVEN PARKING SPOTS HERE WE HAVE MORE.

UM, SO I THINK THIS IS THE BEST PLACE AND IN HUB, RIGHT? IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO FIND A PLACE THAT IS SUITABLE FOR A PRESCHOOL.

SO WE FOUND IT AND IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THE CURRENT PLACE AND IT'S VERY SAFE FOR OUR KIDS.

SO WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND DO THE, I MEAN THE TLC INSIDE, NOT MANY MUCH, BUT TO PAINT.

AND THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF TO BE DONE.

GREAT.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

UM, ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ITEM? THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.

IF YOU COULD JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.

NO PROBLEM.

UM, MY NAME IS BRANDON RENTE.

MY LAST NAME IS R-E-N-T-E.

UM, MY TWO CHILDREN CURRENTLY ATTEND THE HABER MONTESSORI PRESCHOOL.

UM, I'M ORIGINALLY FROM THE ISLANDS OF HAWAII AND IT IS REALLY HARD FOR US TO FIND.

OUR FAMILY IS THE ONES THAT RAISE OUR CHILDREN.

AND I CAN SAY I HAVE TWO, I HAVE AN INFANT WHO'S 10 MONTHS AND I HAVE A SON WHO'S TWO AND A HALF.

UM, THEY'VE BOTH BEEN GOING THERE SINCE WE WERE FIVE MONTHS OLD.

AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT MS. MANOJA AND MS. ADAM HAVE BECOME AN EXTENDED FAMILY TO US.

UM, I'M ALSO HERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF, I LIVE RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO THE PRESCHOOL.

MY BEDROOM WINDOW FACES THEIR DRIVEWAY.

UM, AND I CAN SAY I WORK FROM HOME TWO TO THREE DAYS A WEEK.

AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, I HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUES AS FAR AS THE NOISE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, THEY'RE VERY RESPECTFUL.

I LIVE IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AT 300 SOUTH IDAHO STREET.

UM, AND JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT CHILDCARE IS SO ESSENTIAL, UM, WITHIN MY CULTURE AND RAISING OUR CHILDREN, THAT IT WAS A BLESSING IN DISGUISE FOR US TO FIND SOMETHING SO CLOSE.

AND ALSO SOMEBODY THAT CARES FOR OUR CHILDREN THE WAY THAT WE CARE FOR OUR CHILDREN.

UM, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT AS A PARENT.

I'M NOT SURE IF YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND, BUT IT'S JUST TO LEAVE YOUR SOMEBODY, YOUR CHILD WITH SOMEBODY IS A VERY HARD TASK TO DO.

UM, THAT TRUST HAS TO BE BUILT.

AND FROM DAY ONE FROM OUR TOUR, UM, THE SCHOOL HAS BEEN NOTHING BUT OPEN.

UM, WE TOURED OVER SIX OR SEVEN DIFFERENT SCHOOLS FROM WHITTIER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO LAMADA.

AND WE COULD NOT GET THE MONTESSORI OUT OF OUR HEAD.

THAT'S KIND OF JUST HOW WE KIND OF VIEW THEM.

AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT THE EVENTS THAT THEY PUT ON MY SON LOVES THE SCHOOL, AND IT'S JUST, I THINK IT'S JUST A BLESSING FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO FOR ME, I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY HOPE YOU GUYS ACCEPT THIS, UM, TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS FOR THE SCHOOL AND OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL GREATLY BENEFIT THEM.

UM, 110% I WORK LOCALLY.

UM, I WORK FOR A NON-PROFIT AND I KNOW HOW MUCH COMMUNITY OUTREACH IS.

UM, SO I'M JUST HOPING THAT THIS, THIS KIND OF HELPS FOR THEM.

SO I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH MR. RENTY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THOSE WORDS.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

ANYONE ELSE IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM? UM, MY NAME IS ASHLEY BEALS.

B-E-A-L-S.

UM, MY TWO CHILDREN ATTEND MONTESSORI AS WELL.

UM, BUT MY SON HAS SOME BEHAVIORAL ISSUES, SO IT'S ALWAYS ISSUES FINDING A GOOD FIT AND THEY'RE VERY LOVING, VERY ACCEPTING AND HE LOVES TO GO TO THE SCHOOL.

SO DOES MY DAUGHTER.

THEY ALWAYS TALK ABOUT EVERYBODY IN THE SCHOOL.

AND I THINK PERSONALLY I THINK THIS WOULD BE BETTER.

MY MOM IS DISABLED, SO HAVING HER ASSIST ME TRYING TO GET THE KIDS TO THAT DAYCARE AT THE CURRENT LOCATION, IT IS A BIT MORE DIFFICULT, BUT THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE EASIER FOR HER.

SO I THINK THAT ALSO HELPS IF THERE'S ANY PARENTS WHO ARE DISABLED AS WELL, I THINK IT WOULD OPEN UP MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THEIR CHILDREN AS WELL.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND FOR SHARING THOSE WORDS.

APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE WISHES TO

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AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE ITEM.

OKAY.

I THINK SEEING NONE, WE'LL JUST CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT.

UM, UNLESS WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF COMMISSIONERS, UM, I HAVE SOME COMMENTS THAT MAY GENERATE SOME QUESTIONS LATER.

I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE YET.

SHALL WE DISCUSS MS. CITY ATTORNEY, WHAT SHOULD WE DO? , UH, MR. CHAIR, TO THE EXTENT THERE ARE QUESTIONS I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THEY BE ASKED NOW AND THAT YOU GUYS, THE COMMISSION DOES NOT HAVE THEIR DISCUSSION AND DELIBERATION UNTIL ALL THOSE QUESTIONS.

OKAY.

SO LET'S, LET'S LEAVE THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC HEARING.

I'M SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF.

UM, LET'S LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN AND MAYBE POSE SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.

COMMISSIONER SLAND.

OKAY.

UM, I HAVE, I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE PARKING LOT LAYOUT.

I I THINK THIS IS A GREAT USE AND A GREAT LOCATION AND I'M TOTALLY IN FAVOR OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO HERE.

I JUST DON'T THINK THE PARKING LOT IS DESIGNED, IS GOING TO WORK.

UM, CARLOS, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE, TO THE SLIDE WHERE IT SHOWS THE EXISTING, EXISTING PARKING STRIPING CONFIGURATION, PLEASE? THAT'S HOW IT CURRENTLY IS, UH, RIGHT NOW.

OKAY.

IT'S, AND IF YOU, FOR THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS, IF YOU'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG MY RAMBLINGS, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PLAN AND YOU LOOK ON YOUR TABLET AT THE PROPOSED PLAN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS HAS BASICALLY FLOWED THROUGH, UM, CIRCULATION.

SO IF A CAR CAME IN OFF OF SAN JOSE STREET, THEY'D GO THROUGH THE PARKING LOT AND THEN GO OUT ON THE, ON THE SOUTH END AND THEN OUT THE ALLEY SO THAT IT'S, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, UM, WHICH, WHICH ALSO WORKS.

I, I JUST DON'T THINK IT WORKS AS WELL.

I, I UNDERSTAND WHY THAT DESIGN HAS COME UP.

I'M SURE THE STAFF AND THE APPLICANT HAVE ALL WORKED CLOSELY TOGETHER AND PROBABLY WITH THE, UM, MR. PLOTNIK BE WHILE HE WAS STILL HERE, BUT I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY GOING TO WORK.

I DON'T THINK THAT'S A, A CAR MANEUVER THAT REAL PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DO WHEN THEY'RE IN A HURRY IN THE MORNING DROPPING OFF THEIR KIDS.

'CAUSE THAT'S A VERY SKINNY PLACE TO TURN AROUND.

IT'S GONNA BE A THREE POINT TURN IF YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AT, AT BEST, PROBABLY.

YEAH.

SO WHAT'S PREDICATED THIS IS, I, AS I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND IT, IS THERE'S A SECTION OF THE CODE THAT REQUIRES A 20 FOOT THROAT COMING IN OFF OF A STREET SO THAT THEY'VE SHIFTED THE PARKING SPACES BACK AND CLOSED OFF THE 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY AT THE BACK WHERE YOU COME OUT.

IS THAT ACCURATE, CARLOS? LIKE THAT'S WHAT KIND OF PROMPTED THE SHIFT? CORRECT.

AND I ADDRESSED IT IN A LATER, UH, SLIDE.

UM, SPECIFICALLY TOUCHING ON PARKING.

IT'S A SECOND BULLET POINT FOR LOBBY MUNICIPAL CODE 18 14 0 7 DELTA ONE BRAVO AN UNOBSTRUCTED 20 FOOT DRIVE THROAT SHALL BE PROVIDED AT INCHES AND EXITS FROM THE PARKING AREA TO ANY PUBLIC STREET, IN THIS CASE SAN JOSE AVENUE, WHICH NECESSITATES THE REMOVAL OF THE EXISTING, UH, UH, ALLEY EXIT.

SO THAT KIND OF RIGHT.

PUSHED IT FORWARD.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S THE THREAT.

SO THERE'S A, BUT THERE'S ANOTHER CODE SECTION THAT THAT'S THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE BASING THIS ON IS WHEN YOU GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO BRING THE SITE UP TO ALL CURRENT CODE STANDARDS.

TO THE EXTENT, TO THE EXTENT PRACTICAL, I'M NOT SURE THIS IS THE MOST PRACTICAL SOLUTION TO BRING THIS SITE UP, UP TO PAR.

UM, THE, THE 20 FOOT THROAT CODE REQUIREMENT IS BASED ON CARS NOT BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK OR BLOCKING THE STREET WHILE PEOPLE ARE, ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, PULLING IN AND OUT OF THOSE FACES IMMEDIATELY CLOSE TO THE STREET.

IN THIS CASE, SAN JOSE STREET IS A VERY LOW TRAFFIC STREET WITH A VERY LOW TRAFFIC VOLUME.

AND THERE SEEMS TO BE QUITE A DISTANCE FROM, UM, BEACH BOULEVARD TO THIS DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE THAT IF CARS BACKED UP ON THE STREET A LITTLE BIT WHILE SOMEBODY WAS PULLING OUT THERE.

I DON'T THINK, I THINK THAT'S LESS OF A PROBLEM THAN PEOPLE TRYING TO TURN AROUND IN THE PARKING LOT IN THIS CONFIGURATION AND GET OUT.

SO I GUESS THAT'S A TRADE OFF THING.

UH, IT, IT IS.

AND, AND I MEAN ON ONE HAND THE, THE DIFFICULTY IN THE PARKING LOT IS MORE OF A PRIVATE PROBLEM

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I WOULD BE ONE WAY THAT I WOULD LOOK AT IT.

UM, I MEAN THAT INCONVENIENT, THREE POINT U-TURN, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ANYBODY OUTSIDE OF, YOU KNOW, THEIR STUDENTS AND PARENTS.

RIGHT.

UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY TRUE.

YEAH.

BUT IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE PA WAY PEOPLE REALLY DRIVE IS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DRAW THINGS ON PIECES OF PAPER THAT LOOK GOOD AND THEN THERE'S THE WAY PEOPLE DRIVE MM-HMM.

AND THEY'RE GONNA GO TO WHATEVER'S THE EASIEST AND MORE CONVENIENT.

SO THEY'LL, THEY'RE GOING TO BLOW THROUGH THOSE PARKING SPACES AND GO THAT WAY ANYWAY.

'CAUSE THOSE PARKING SPACES PROBABLY WON'T BE FULL.

AND IF THE CONCERN ABOUT BACKING OUT DURING THE PEAK TIMES, I THINK COULD BE ALLEVIATED BY PARKING, BY MARKING THOSE FIRST TWO PARKING SPACES AS STAFF PARKING.

'CAUSE THE STAFF WOULD GET THERE FIRST BEFORE THE, THE PARENTS COME AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT LEAVING TILL AFTER THE PARENTS PICKED EVERYBODY UP AT THE END OF THE DAY.

SO I WHICH SPACES COMMISSIONER RAMSEY ON THE, UM, THE BOTTOM OF YOUR DRAWING ON YOUR TABLET? MM-HMM.

.

CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE OTHER DRAWING, CARLOS OF THE PROPOSED PARKING LOT.

THANK YOU.

SO SEE IT ON THIS ONE AT THE TOP.

YOU GOT THAT BIG 20 FOOT WHITE SPACE.

MM-HMM.

WITH NOTHING IN IT.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

SO IF, IF, IF THOSE WERE TWO PARKING SPACES AND THOSE WERE THE STAFF PARKING, ONCE THE STAFF GOT THERE EARLY IN THE MORNING, IT'S UNLIKELY THEY WOULD BE BACKING OUT WHILE THE PARENTS ARE COMING IN, DROPPING THE KIDS OFF.

LIKE IN IN THAT THROAT AREA IN THAT, AT THE END OF THAT ROW.

AT THE, AT THE TOP, YEAH.

ON THE LEFT SIDE OR THE RIGHT SIDE.

ON, ON, ON THE RIGHT SIDE IN THAT.

BUT IN THAT THROAT, BUT IN THAT ROW.

AND THEN THAT OPENS UP OUR SPACE AGAIN AT THE BACK OF THAT ROW SO THE CARS CAN GO BACK OUT TO THE ALLEY BECAUSE ON THE DIAGRAM IN FRONT OF US, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'VE KIND OF DESIGNATED THOSE BOTTOM FOUR, BOTTOM RIGHT FOUR SPOTS AS STAFF.

RIGHT.

SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M CLEAR, I SAID THROAT AND YOU SAID ROW , SO I'M, I'M, YEAH.

SO TECH TECHNICALLY THE, THE, THE TWO WHITE BOXES AT THE TOP ARE CALLED THE THROAT, CORRECT? RIGHT.

AND IS THAT WHERE YOU'RE PROPOSING? SO I, I, SO I'M PROPOSING THE THROAT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE BE STRIPED WITH PARKING SPACES AND SHIFT EVERYTHING UP AND, AND LEAVE AN OPEN SPACE AT THE BACK THAT'S WIDE ENOUGH FOR THE CARS TO GET OUT.

AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, A, A VARIANCE OF SORTS TO THE CODE REQUIREMENT? NO, BECAUSE THE COMMISSION CAN MAKE THEIR DECISION BASED ON THE CODE REQUIREMENT THAT SAYS TO THE EXTENT PRACTICAL MM-HMM.