[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, OCTOBER 14, 2024 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.]
[00:00:12]
AT THIS TIME, THE MEETING WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER, AND I'LL INVITE THE AUDIENCE TO PLEASE STAND AND JOIN VICE CHAIR MECHA IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
READY? BEGIN BY PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT SOUNDS, ONE NATION UNDERGO INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL? ROLE CHAIR MANLEY.
AND LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER CARDENAS HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE THIS EVENING.
WE'LL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA.
PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A.
SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING.
DO WE HAVE ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, UH, ON THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, OR ANY ITEM THAT'S NOT APPEARING ON THIS EVENING'S AGENDA SCENE? NONE.
WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND WE'LL MOVE TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.
UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR A MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUEST SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVE ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE.
ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED.
DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM? NO.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WISHES TO HAVE AN ITEM REMOVED? SCENE NONE.
MAY I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY VICE CHAIR MACHA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND.
EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTE.
ROY, CAN YOU VOTE AND CONFIRM? THANK YOU.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.
THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THEN STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
AFTER ALL HAVE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTION IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE LECRON.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU WILL FIND THE SPEAKER'S CARDS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.
THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGE BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
TONIGHT'S FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR MODIFICATION 24 DASH 0 0 0 4 TO PUD PRECISE PLAN, 87 0 7 TO REMODEL AN EXISTING CAR WASH, BUILDING AND SITE LOCATED AT 4 0 1 EAST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID
[00:05:01]
NOT.MR. CHAIR, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
CHAIR ASH SAEED, SENIOR PLANNER.
UM, GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
SO, AS YOU MENTIONED, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 4 0 1 EAST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY, THE SITE OF THE EXISTING IMPERIAL CAR WASH IN JANUARY OF 1988.
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED PUD PRECISE PLAN 87 DASH ZERO SEVEN FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE CENTER, A CAR WASH AND QUICK SERVE RESTAURANTS AC ACROSS FIVE BUILDINGS ON THIS SITE.
IN AUGUST OF 1988, THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVED TENTATIVE PARCEL MAP 88 DASH 2 47 FOR THE SUBDIVISION OF THIS SITE INTO THREE NEW PARCELS.
PARCEL ONE CONSISTS OF BUILDING B, WHICH IS THE CAR WASH PARCEL TWO CONSISTS OF BUILDINGS A, C, AND D.
AND PARCEL THREE CONSISTS OF BUILDING E TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE IS THE ALLIANCE ENGINEERING CORPORATION BUILDING.
TO THE EAST IS THE GOODYEAR TIRE CENTER.
TO THE SOUTH IS A DRAINAGE CHANNEL.
AND TO THE WEST IS A VACANT BUILDING THAT WAS LAST OCCUPIED BY AN ARCADE.
THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED A REMODEL OF THE EXISTING CAR WASH BUILDING AND A REDESIGN OF THE SITE TO CONVERT THE CURRENT FULL SERVICE CAR WASH INTO A SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH.
THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE RAPIDS EXPRESS CAR WASH BUSINESS MODEL.
THE SCOPE OF WORK INCLUDES THE DEMOLITION OF APPROXIMATELY 2,700 SQUARE FEET OF THE EXISTING BUILDING.
THE ADDITION OF A 1000 SQUARE FOOT EXTENSION TO THE CAR WASH TUNNEL AND THE INSTALLATION OF 19 VACUUM STATIONS UNDER TWO CANOPIES.
ACCESS TO THE CAR WASH WILL BE THROUGH THE WESTERLY DRIVEWAY ALONG IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.
A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HAS BEEN INCLUDED TO INSTALL A STOP SIGN ON THE ROUTE FROM THE VACUUM STATIONS TO THE CAR WASH QUEUE.
THAT'LL MAINTAIN TRAFFIC FLOW, UH, FOR THE VEHICLES THAT ARE ENTERING, UH, THE QUEUE FROM IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.
AND THE REMAINDER OF THE SITE WILL RETAIN ACCESS FROM THE OTHER TWO DRIVEWAYS LOCATED ALONG IMPERIAL HIGHWAY AND FROM LESLIE STREET.
ALONG THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE SITE ARE SIX PARKING SPACES THAT'LL BE DEDICATED TO THE ADJACENT AUTOMOTIVE SERVICE CENTER AS PART OF AN EXISTING ACCESS AGREEMENT.
JUST SOUTH OF THAT ARE THREE SPACES FOR EMPLOYEE PARKING, MAINTENANCE, AND DELIVERIES.
SOUTH OF THAT ARE TWO A DA PARKING SPACES.
AND AS MENTIONED, THERE'S GONNA BE 19 DEDICATED VACUUM STATIONS WHERE CUSTOMERS CAN ALSO DRY AND DETAIL THEIR VEHICLES POST WASH.
AND LASTLY, THE NEW DOUBLE AISLE QUEING FORMATION HAS SPACE FOR EIGHT VEHICLES IN EACH LANE.
16 TOTAL LEADING TO THE PAY STATION.
THE, THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE SITE FEATURES A VARIETY OF TREES AND SHRUBS THAT ARE WELL SUITED TO THE LOCAL CLIMATE.
ALONG THE IMPERIAL HIGHWAY FRONTAGE WILL BE THE EXISTING QUEEN PALM TREES AT THE, AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE SITE ALONG THE WESTERN BOUNDARY AS WELL AS WITHIN EACH OF THE LANDSCAPE PLANTERS WILL BE BE BRISBANE BOX TREES.
AND LASTLY, THE SHRUBS AND GROUND COVER WITHIN THE PLANTERS INCLUDE BROOME LIKE SAGE WAX, LEAF PRI, AND CLARA INDIAN HAWTHORNE.
THE PROPOSED EXTERIOR IS CONSISTENT WITH THE RAPIDS EXPRESS CORPORATE DESIGN AND COLOR SCHEME, LIGHT GRAY AND DARK GRAY.
CMU FINISHING IS ALONG THE UPPER AND LOWER PORTIONS OF THE PERIMETER.
THE VEHICLE ENTRANCE TO AND EXIT FROM THE BUILDING ARE ACCENTED BY SILVER MESH.
THE NEW WINDOWS ALONG THE SIDE OF THE CAR WASH BUILDING WILL BE A TINTED GLASS AND THE REST OF THE RED METAL ACCENTS WILL BE FINISHED IN THAT RAPID, UH, RAPIDS EXPRESS RED COLOR.
AS MENTIONED, THIS IS A REMODEL AND REUSE OF THE EXISTING CAR WASH SITE AS ENTITLED BY AN EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THE REDESIGN OF THE CAR WASH BUILDING AND INSTALLATION OF THE VACUUM STATIONS WILL CONVERT THIS FULL SERVICE WASH INTO A SELF-SERVICE CAR WASH, WHILE ALSO IMPROVING THE SITE CIRCULATION.
[00:10:01]
THE MONUMENT SIGN AND BUILDING MOUNTED SIGNAGE WILL BE SUBMITTED AT A LATER DATE.UM, STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, APPROVE THIS PROJECT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
UH, I'LL TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS AT THIS TIME TO SEE IF THEY DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU.
UM, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YET.
CAN YOU, CAN YOU GO BACK A COUPLE OF FLIGHTS? SO THAT ONE RIGHT, THAT SLIDE RIGHT THERE, THAT AT THE, UM, SOUTH END, THAT HATCHED AREA.
WHAT'S, WHAT'S THAT REPRESENT? OH, WHICH PART? AT, AT THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE.
THAT HATCHED AREA BY THE DRIVEWAYS.
IS THAT SOME SORT OF A TRAFFIC CONTROL? OH, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TWO DRIVEWAYS, WHAT'S IN BETWEEN? I'M TALKING, UH, THE HATCHED AREA.
JUST AS YOU COME IN OFF THE STREET.
WHAT HATCHED? I, I CAN'T REALLY TELL.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RIGHT, OH, SORRY.
UM,
IS IS THAT GONNA BE STRIPED ON ON THE SIDE? IT'S, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE STRIPED, YES.
AND, AND WE AND YOU HAD A STOP SIGN ON THE EAST SIDE.
YEAH, LET ME PULL THAT UP FOR YOU.
BUT, BUT DO YOU HAVE AN, DO WE HAVE A STOP SIGN ON THE WEST SIDE AS WELL? NO.
SO IT'S BEEN CONDITIONED, UM, JUST AT THE CURRENT LOCATION BECAUSE THAT COULD REALLY, UM, OBSTRUCT OR CAUSE A BACKUP OF TRAFFIC GOING BACK ONTO IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.
UM, IF THERE'S AN EXCESS AMOUNT OF PEOPLE LEAVING THE VACUUM STATIONS AT ONE TIME GOING INTO THE QUEUE, UM, THERE'S REALLY NO OTHER NO REASON SPECIFICALLY TO ADD ANOTHER STOP SIGN.
BECAUSE WHAT, WHAT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE PEOPLE COMING OUT OF THE TUNNEL MM-HMM.
SO IT CAN BE, EXPLAIN TO ME A LITTLE BIT HOW THAT'S TAKEN CARE OF SO THAT WE'RE, WE DON'T HAVE A CONCERN THAT, RIGHT.
IF SOMEBODY IS GONNA PULL OUT OF THERE AND RACE ACROSS AND SOMEBODY COMING IN OFF OF IMPERIAL HIGHWAY AT 50 MILES AN HOUR AND GONNA
SO THEY'RE, WE COULD ADD A CONDITION FOR A STOP SIGN AT THAT, UH, AT THAT CAR WASH, EXIT THE DRIVE AISLE.
UM, BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT, THERE COULD BE, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING IN FROM IMPERIAL HIGHWAY AT THE SAME TIME AND THAT, UM, AS THEY PROCEED INTO THE QUEUING AISLE, IT COULD CAUSE A BACKUP AND, YOU KNOW, SOME, UH, SOME CONCERNS.
SO A STOP SIGN AT THE EXIT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA.
I'M NOT REALLY CONCERNED THAT ABOUT BACKING UP.
'CAUSE THE QUEUE LOOKS PRETTY LONG ENOUGH.
IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT INTERACTION OF CARS COMING IN OFF THE STREET, RIGHT? YEAH.
OTHERWISE YOU, I GUESS YOU COULDN'T TELL WHO WOULD YIELD FIRST.
SO, UM, WE COULD ADD A CONDITION FOR A STOP SIGN.
NO, THAT WAS ONLY QUESTION I HAD.
I HAVE NO QUESTIONS, ASH, THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT THIS TIME.
UM, SO NOW'S THE TIME THAT WILL OPEN, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND I WOULD ASK IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE THIS EVENING THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT, PLEASE.
TO COME FORWARD NOW THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
IF YOU COULD JUST PLEASE STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION.
IT'S, UH, V AS IN VICTOR, OND AS IN DAVID, ERA AS IN APPLE, HE AND I'M THE OWNER, UH, OF RAPIDS EXPRESS CAR WASH.
UM, THIS IS JUST TO TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT US.
WE'RE FAMILY OWNED BUSINESS LOCAL HERE IN, IN, UM, ORANGE COUNTY.
AND IF THIS IS APPROVED, THIS WILL BE OUR FIFTH LOCATION.
WE HAVE, UH, TWO IN THE CITY OF ORANGE, UH, ONE IN FULLERTON CLOSE BY WE'RE BUILDING RIGHT NOW, UM, IN ANAHEIM.
AND SO THIS WOULD BE OUR FIFTH.
UM, WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON, UH, PUTTING IN THE BEST IMPROVEMENTS, THE BEST EQUIPMENT, RUNNING OUR SITES WITH, UM, A LOT OF CUSTOMER SERVICE AND, UM, AND REALLY TAKING CARE OF THE CUSTOMER.
UM, AND OUR SITES ARE IMPECCABLY CLEAN AND THAT'S REALLY OUR DIFFERENCE COMPARED TO OTHER EXPRESS WASHES THAT YOU'VE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THROUGH.
SO, UM, I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.
OTHERWISE I CAN, I CAN SIT DOWN.
IF WE NEED TO CALL, CALL YOU BACK, UH, WE WILL DO SO.
BUT FOR NOW, THANK YOU SO MUCH, MR. VOER LEE.
[00:15:01]
ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM? OKAY.WE'LL, UH, MOVE TO ANYONE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE ITEM WOULD INVITE YOU TO COME FORWARD.
WELL, I THINK WE'LL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, AND I'LL TURN TO THE COMMISSION JUST FOR DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS AND OR MOTIONS.
I WANNA THANK COMMISSIONER RAMSON FOR BRINGING UP THE SUGGESTION THAT PERHAPS ANOTHER STOP SIGN WOULD MAKE SENSE.
I CAN SEE THAT WORKING AS, AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK THE APPLICANT FOR CHOOSING LAHABRA TO BRING YOUR BUSINESS TOO.
ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? YOU'RE GOOD? YEAH.
YOU OKAY? ASH, YOU'RE MAKING ME NERVOUS.
I WAS HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU OR, AND TO, UH, ADD A CONDITION IF YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE, UM, YEAH.
MAYBE WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW WE WOULD INCORPORATE THAT CONDITION INTO, UM, A RESOLUTION.
ASH, YOU WANT TO GIVE YOUR SUGGESTION AND WE'LL LET THE CITY ATTORNEY APPROVE THAT.
SO I BELIEVE THE CONDITION FOR THE EXISTING, OR, OR THE CURRENT STOP SIGN IS PROJECT SPECIFIC, PROJECT SPECIFIC CONDITION NUMBER SIX, WHERE IT SAYS A STOP, A STOP SIGN SHALL BE INSTALLED AT THE CROSS HATCH WALKWAY BETWEEN THE VACUUM AREA AND THE CAR WASH QUEUE LANES TO MAINTAIN TRAFFIC FLOW FOR PATRONS ENTERING THE QUEUE FROM THE WESTERLY IMPERIAL HIGHWAY INGRESS.
SO WE CAN ADD A ALONG, YOU KNOW, THE SIMILAR KIND OF VERBIAGE.
UM, A STOP SIGN SHALL BE INSTALLED AT THE CAR WASH, UM, TUNNEL EGRESS, UM, WHAT ELSE CAN I SAY? AT THE CAR WASH DRIVE TUNNEL EGRESS, UM, PRIOR TO THE DRIVE, PRIOR TO THE DRIVE QUEUING AISLE.
THAT SEEMS CLEAR ENOUGH TO ME, MS. TO THE ATTORNEY.
DOES THAT SOUND OKAY? UH, YES IT DOES.
IN THAT, IF, IN THAT CASE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, CALIFORNIA APPROVING MODIFICATION 24 DASH 0 0 4 TO PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD PRECISE PLAN 87 DASH ZERO SEVEN TO REMODEL AN EXISTING CAR WASH BUILDING AND SITE LOCATED AT 4 0 1 EAST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.
AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT A STOP SIGN WILL BE INSTALLED AT THE CAR WASH EGRESS PRIOR TO THE QUEUING LANES AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CA PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 0 1 CLASS ONE EXISTING FACILITIES OF THE CQA GUIDELINES.
IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND THE MOTION MOTIONS BEEN MADE BY MYSELF.
AND SECOND IT BY VICE CHAIRMAN HETCHER.
EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.
MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO AND THIS WILL BECOME FINAL IN 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
THANKS FOR COMING TO LAHABRA, MR. WANDERLY.
UM, TONIGHT'S FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 24 DASH 0 0 0 2 TO ESTABLISH AN OPERATED DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT SEVEN LEAVES CAFE WITH AN OUTDOOR MENU BOARD AT 1 0 1 WEST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.
MR. CHAIR, COULD WE PLEASE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? GOOD EVENING, CHAIR MANLEY MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION HERE TO PRESENT ON, UH, THE SEVEN LEAVES CAFE.
UH, IN 1995, THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A PUDS PRECISE PLAN, 1995 DASH OH TWO, WHICH ALLOWED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A WALGREENS DRIVE THROUGH PHARMACY AT THIS LOCATION.
THE SITE WAS VACANT BEFORE THAT.
THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE A NUMBER OF YEARS BEFORE THAT, BUT IT WAS VACANT FOR A WHILE.
UM, AT THAT TIME, UH, THE PUT PRECISE PLAN, UH, WAS UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF THIS SITE BEING ZONED AND IN THE GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATION OF BEING A-P-C-I-A PLANNED
[00:20:01]
COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL SITE.CURRENTLY THE ZONING IS R FOUR AND THE, UH, GENERAL PLAN IS, IS, UH, MULTIFAMILY.
SO AS IT SITS, THE BUILDING, THE USE AND THE PROPOSED USE ARE ALL NONCONFORMING USES.
THE CODE DOES DEAL WITH NON-CONFORMING USE IN THAT THE CODE REQUIRES THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE A NON-CONFORMING USE, WHICH YOU HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO DO, YOU CAN DO SO PROVIDED THAT IT DOES NOT EXPAND THE USE OR DOES NOT INTENSIFY THE USE AND DOESN'T EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT OF THE USE.
SO AS WE GET INTO THE PRESENTATION, WE'LL SHOW YOU HOW THE PROPOSED USE SATISFIES ALL OF THAT.
IT IS AT THE INTERSECTION NORTHEAST CORNER OF IMPERIAL AND EUCLID IMPERIAL HIGHWAY AND EUCLID STREET TO THE NORTH, ABOUT 300 FEET TO THE NORTH.
OUR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE IS JUST BEYOND THE ALLEY, AND THERE'S PARKING IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE.
TO THE EAST IS A SHELL GAS STATION.
TO THE SOUTH IS THE ORANGE COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL CHANNEL, AND TO THE EAST IS AN AUTO PARTS AND AUTO SERVICE BUSINESS.
THE SCOPE OF WORK THAT'S PROPOSED ON THE EXTERIOR IS RELATIVELY MINOR.
SOME MINOR FACADE IMPROVEMENTS, AS WELL AS SOME SITE IMPROVEMENTS TO BRING THINGS CURRENT.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, YOU CAN SEE IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THAT YELLOW BOX IS A NEW TRASH ENCLOSURE.
UH, THE BLUE ARE ACCESSIBLE WALKWAYS.
THERE'S AN ACCESSIBLE WALKWAY THAT'S PROPOSED TO TAKE, UH, PERSONS FROM IMPERIAL SIDEWALK INTO THE SITE AND INTO THE, UH, THE CAFE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING SIGN THAT WAS APPROVED AS PART OF THE PRIOR APPROVAL.
UH, IT'S 20 FEET HIGH AND A POLE SIGN THAT'S GONNA BE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT AS WELL.
AND THEN TO THE NORTH OF THE BUILDING, YOU SEE TWO PURPLE RECTANGLES.
CURRENTLY, THERE ARE CHAINLINK FENCES ON THE REAR OF THE BUILDING WITH SLATS IN THEM.
THOSE ARE GONNA BE REMOVED AND NEW MODERN HORIZONTAL FENCING WILL BE PUT IN PLACE.
UH, IT'LL BE COMING AN EQUIPMENT ENCLOSURE.
ALL THE EQUIPMENT WILL BE LOCATED ON THE GROUND.
SO THE SITE, UH, IS, UH, RESTAURANT USE.
UH, THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE EIGHT PER THOUSAND.
IT'S 1900 SQUARE FEET, UH, AS IT SITS.
THE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE FOR 15 SPACES.
THEY'RE PROVIDING 16, ONE OF WHICH WILL BE AN 80 D, A ACCESSIBLE SPOT THAT IS VAN ACCESSIBLE.
AND ALSO THAT THAT PORTION OF THE SIDEWALK THAT IT CONNECTS TO LANDSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING TO THE WEST AND TO THE NORTH.
THE LIST, THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE WILL REMAIN IN PLACE, UH, TO THE EAST AND TO THE SOUTH, UH, IS PROPOSED NEW LANDSCAPING PROJECTS CURRENTLY CONDITIONED.
UH, THEY'VE PROVIDED A CONCEPTUAL LANDSCAPE PLAN THAT MEETS ALL OF THE CITY STANDARDS IN TERMS OF, UH, PLANTING MATERIALS AND, UH, IS FURTHER CONDITIONED SO THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE, UH, WHAT'S REQUIRED IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING, WHICH WOULD BE, FORGIVE ME, 1 24 INCH BOX FOR EVERY 20 FEET OF FRONTAGE ALONG EUCLID AND ALONG IMPERIAL.
AND THEN 1 24 INCH BOX TREE, UH, FOR EVERY 10 PARKING SPACES.
SO THAT'S INCLUDED IN CONDITIONS NUMBER, UH, STANDARD CONDITION 4.22 AND SPECIAL CONDITION NUMBER 16.
YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
IT'S ALSO A REQUIREMENT THAT 7% OF THE PARKING AREA BE LANDSCAPED AND THEY'RE CURRENTLY PROVIDING 10%.
SO THEY MEET THAT STANDARD AS WELL.
THEY PROVIDED A QING ANALYSIS.
THEY LOOKED AT TWO SITES IN SANTA ANA, UH, ON MULTIPLE DAYS, UH, TWICE DURING THE WEEK AND ON THE WEEKENDS AS WELL.
IN THAT QUEUING ANALYSIS, THE MAXIMUM OBSERVED NUMBER OF VEHICLES THAT EVER QUEUED ACROSS ALL SITES WAS NINE.
RIGHT? THAT WAS NOT ON ONE PARTICULAR SITE, BUT ACROSS ALL SITES.
SO THEY HAVE QUEUING THAT STACKS FOR 11 VEHICLES.
SO THEY HAVE A SURPLUS OF TWO, UH, ON THIS LOCATION.
UH, THEY HAVE ALSO BEEN CONDITIONED TO INCLUDE A TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN SO THAT IF IT'S EVER BUSIER THAN THAT, UH, THEY WILL ALSO HAVE A STAFF COME OUT, TAKE ORDERS AND HELP MOVE THAT QUEUE ALONG.
1.39 STANDARD CONDITION AND ALSO SPECIAL CONDITIONS THREE, NUMBER TWO, NUMBER THREE, AND NUMBER EIGHT.
THIS IS THE CURRENT SET OF ELEVATIONS.
UH, THE MINOR FACADE IMPROVEMENTS
[00:25:01]
INCLUDE, UH, INCREASING THE WINDOW SIZE IN THE DINING AREA.UH, THERE IS A, ON THE, UH, WHAT WOULD BE THE WESTERN ELEVATION, THERE'S AN OLD DRIVE THROUGH ORDER WINDOW WHEN IT WAS A WALGREENS PHARMACY THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND FILLED IN WITH, UH, A BRICK VENEER TO MATCH THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
THEY'LL ALSO PLACE A MENU BOARD AT THAT LOCATION.
UH, AGAIN, TO THE NORTH, THE FENCING WILL BE REPLACED.
AND THEN THE OTHER FEATURE THAT IS, UH, A FACADE IMPROVEMENT WOULD BE THE, IT HAS TWO METAL SEAM ROOFS AND THE EAST WEST PORTION WILL BE BOXED OUT INTO A PARAPET SHAPE, SUCH THAT THE FINISHED BUILDING WILL LOOK WHAT YOU SEE HERE.
THERE'LL BE LARGE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT IN THE DINING AREA, VIEWING WINDOWS ON EITHER SIDE, THE FENCING THAT'S NOTED TO THE NORTH AND TO THE REAR.
UH, AND THAT CREATES A PLACE FOR SIGNAGE.
AND THEN THE, THE MENU BOARD ON THE, UH, EASTERN PORTION, THE COLOR SCHEME WILL BE OMEGA WHITE FOR MOST OF THE BUILDING.
AND THE ACCENT COLOR IS A METAL FRINGE COLOR, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE WITH THE ROOFING, AS WELL AS THE DOORS FOR THE TRASH ENCLOSURE.
THE FLOOR PLAN, EVERYTHING AGAIN, IS BEING BUILT WITHIN THE EXISTING 1900 SQUARE FEET.
SO NO EXPANSION OF THE FOOTPRINT.
UH, NO INTENSIFICATION OF THE FOOTPRINT.
UH, ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET WOULD BE DINING AREA, BUT MOST OF IT IS BACK OF HOUSE FUNCTIONS.
UH, YOU CAN SEE THE KITCHEN PREP, UH, AREA.
THEY WARM BASICALLY PASTRIES, UH, CROISSANTS AND CREL.
AND, UM, UH, THERE'S AN OFFICE AND ALSO SOME STORAGE SPACE IN THE REAR, ABOUT 1300 SQUARE FEET FOR THAT BACK OF HOUSE FUNCTION.
UH, 600 FOR THE DINING AND SEATING AREA.
AND THEN THEY PROVIDE TWO RESTROOMS THAT YOU SEE HERE IN GREEN.
THE RESTROOMS ARE SECURED WITH A, A KEY TO ACCESS.
SO NOT JUST ANYONE CAN WALK IN.
THESE ARE SOME INTERIOR CONCEPTS.
YOU'RE LOOKING, UH, DUE NORTH AT THE ORDERING COUNTER.
YOU ALSO HAVE THIS VIEW LOOKING TO THE EAST.
THAT WOULD BE LOOKING TOWARDS EUCLID THROUGH THE DINING ROOM.
AND THIS IS A VIEW OF THE, UH, ORDERING AREA AS WELL WITH THE RESTROOMS AROUND THE CORNER.
AND THIS IS LOOKING WEST TOWARDS THE PEP BOYS.
THIS IS A VIEW OF THE ELEVATION WITH THAT, UH, BOXED OUT PARAPET THAT YOU WOULD SEE FROM EUCLID AVENUE.
AND THIS IS THE CURRENT CONDITION OF THE SITE.
THERE'S BEEN SOME ACTIVITY ON THE SITE, SO IT'S BEEN FENCED AND, UH, NO ONE CAN ENTER RIGHT NOW.
UH, BUT THIS IS WHAT THE TRANSFORMATION WOULD LOOK LIKE.
SO YOU SEE THAT BOXED OUT PARAPET, THE NEW COLOR SCHEME AND THE ENHANCED WINDOWS.
AND THE, UH, THE MENU BOARD STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE A SEVEN LEAVES CAFE WITH A MENU BOARD.
AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY.
AT THIS TIME I WILL TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF THEY DO HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF YOU.
I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YET.
COMMISSIONER SLAND? YES, I DO.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE QUEUING? YEP.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT'S PLENTY LONG ENOUGH.
I'M, I'M, I, ARE THERE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS OR STRIPE EDGE OR SOMETHING SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW THE QUEUE WORKS? 'CAUSE IT'S, I DON'T SEE THAT HERE.
YEAH, THERE ARE, UM, CONDITIONS, UM, I HAVE TO LOOK 'EM UP.
THEY'RE GONNA BE CONDITIONED TO PROVIDE SIGNAGE THAT WHEN PEOPLE ENTER OFF OF IMPERIAL, THEY'RE FORCED TO GO TO THE RIGHT TO ENTER THE QUEUE.
UM, PEOPLE COMING IN FROM EUCLID, UH, WILL MOVE DIRECTLY INTO THE QUEUE.
UH, THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE THAT SAYS NO PARKING IF YOU'RE NOT, UH, A GUEST OR A CUSTOMER.
UM, SO, AND THEN THERE'LL ALSO BE STRIPING THAT SHOWS ARROWS POINTING PEOPLE TO THE DIRECTION OF THE QUEUE.
SO, SO THE ENTIRE QUEUE WILL HAVE BE STRIPED ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING? THAT'S RIGHT.
THERE'S GONNA BE A STRIPE THAT, THAT OKAY.
UH, ENCOMPASSES THE ENTIRE QUEUE.
AND THEN WHEN YOU ENTER OFF OF IMPERIAL, YOU'LL BE DIRECTED TO GO TO THE RIGHT SO THAT YOU CAN JOIN THE QUEUE.
SO HOW, SO HOW, ACTUALLY, HOW DOES THAT WORK COMING IN OFF OF, OFF OF IMPERIAL? 'CAUSE IT LOOKS, THE WAY IT'S DRAWN, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE ANOTHER CAR COULD PASS THE QUEUE THAT'S THERE TO GET AROUND TO THE END OF THE QUEUE.
IT LOOKED LIKE THEY'D BE HAVING TO CUT IN OR SOMETHING.
IS THAT, WELL, THAT'S A FAULT OF THE, UH, IS THAT JUST THE WAY IT, IT'S DIAGRAMMATIC AND NOT SCALED ACCURATELY OR? ABSOLUTELY.
THE VEHICLES ARE PROBABLY TWICE THE SIZE OF A CYBER TRUCK, SO,
[00:30:01]
OKAY.I THINK
DO YOU KNOW DARRELL, UM, THE DISTANCE FROM, I GUESS FROM THAT BUILDING WHERE THOSE CARS WOULD BE KIND OF, THOSE VEHICLES WOULD BE HUGGING TO, YOU KNOW, THE REAR OF THOSE PARKING SPACES.
DO YOU HAVE ANY, CAN YOU GIVE US ANY SENSE OF LIKE, THE DISTANCE THERE? UH, PARKING SPACE IS ROUGHLY, UH, 19 TO 20 FEET DEEP.
SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT DISTANCE, IT'S PROBABLY ANOTHER 20, 25 FEET BETWEEN, UH, THE, UH, WHERE THE QUEUING LANE WOULD BE AND THE PARKING STALL ENDS.
DID THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M LOOKING AT THE PLANS AND I CAN CONFIRM THAT IT'S 25 FEET FROM, I I MISSED THE, THE POINTS OF REFERENCE FROM, FROM THE END OF, OH, SORRY.
FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE, UM, SIDEWALK THERE.
ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING, TO THE FIRST PARKING SPACE, 25 FEET.
SO YEAH, THAT'S MORE THAN AMPLE ROOM.
SO, SO I GUESS THE, THE QUESTION IS, SO THAT'S THE ACCESSIBLE STALL DOWN THERE? YES.
THE ACCESSIBLE STALL IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE, UH, IMPERIAL HIGHWAY ENTRANCE.
CAN I, CAN I STAY ON THIS ROY? YOU CAN CONTINUE.
JUST 'CAUSE MY QUESTION'S RELATED SO WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE TURNS.
UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT OTHER ONE, DARRYL, TO THE QE? YEAH, THANK YOU.
SO THE, THE EXIT, THE EGRESS, YOU KNOW, FROM THE PARKING LOT ONTO IMPERIAL HIGHWAY THERE, THAT, THAT'S AN EXIT LANE, RIGHT? YES.
NOW VEHICLES THAT WOULD BE EXITING THERE WOULD BE COMING FROM WHERE, FROM THE PARKING LOT AREA, MOST LIKELY FROM PARKING.
SO IF SOMEONE'S PARKED AND THEY'RE DINING IN, THEY'D BACK OUT AND THEN THEY COULD EXIT OUT ONTO IMPERIAL OR THEY COULD GO OUT ONTO EUCALYPS.
SO TO ADD TO, I GUESS LIKE OUR PREVIOUS QUESTION, VEHICLES COMING IN OFF IMPERIAL AND THEY'RE GONNA GO, YOU KNOW, AROUND THAT CURB AND MAKE A RIGHT.
AND THEN THERE'S A VEHICLE LEAVING THE PARKING LOT AREA 25 FEET'S GOOD.
I THINK FOR TWO CARS, UH, ARE WE KINDA, ARE WE GONNA BE LOG JAMMED AT THAT POINT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT ACTUALLY DOES MAKE SENSE.
AND NOW I HAVE A QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FOR YOU OR FOR THE APPLICANT.
I MEAN, WHY CHOOSE THIS WAY TO CUE THE VEHICLES AND NOT HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH, BEGIN ON THE OTHER SIDE AND COME OUT THE OTHER WAY, HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH.
WHAT WOULD BE THE WEST SIDE OPPOSITE WAY? YEAH.
INSTEAD OF THE QUEUE BEGINNING WHERE YOU, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE INGRESS IS FROM EUCLID, WHY NOT HAVE THE CUBE BEGIN FROM THE INGRESS ON IMPERIAL HIGHWAY AND COMING BACK AROUND THE OTHER WAY.
UM, I THINK THE LOGIC WAS THAT, UH, THEY'RE TRYING TO FIT EVERYTHING WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT OF THE BUILDING.
IT JUST MADE SENSE THAT THAT ORDER WINDOW WAS THE PREVIOUS ORDER WINDOW WHEN THEY USED TO DO THINGS OUT A WINDOW, THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GONNA PUT THE MENU BOARD AND TO, TO RUN THE QUEUE THAT WAY AND RUN IT AROUND THE BUILDING.
THAT GAVE THEM MORE STACKING, I BELIEVE, IN THAT DIRECTION AS WELL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE WAS, BUT THEY ACTUALLY GOT MORE STACKING ON SITE BY DOING THE QUEUE THIS WAY AS WELL.
I GUESS BACK TO MY QUESTION, DO YOU THINK VEHICLES COMING IN OFF OF IMPERIAL TO LOOP AROUND AND GET INTO THE QUEUE, IS THERE 25 FEET? YOU KNOW, IS THAT, IS THAT WIDTH ENOUGH FOR ESSENTIALLY THREE VEHICLES? YOU KNOW, ONE IN THE, IN THE QUEUE, ONE GOING WESTBOUND OUT OF THE PARKING LOT HEADED TO IMPERIAL, AND THEN THE, THE VEHICLE THAT JUST CAME IN OFF OF IMPERIAL HEADED TOWARD THE QUEUE? I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
WHAT DO YOU THINK DARRELL? YEAH, I, THERE THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT OF A NEGOTIATION WHEN PEOPLE ARE BACKING UP THAT YOU'VE SEEN IN SOME PLACES, BUT I DON'T THINK IT CREATES THE TYPE OF INTERFERENCE TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT.
YOU'VE GOT 25 FEET, UM, A PARKING STALL IS ROUGHLY NINE FEET IN WIDTH.
THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH WIDTH FOR A VEHICLE.
TYPICALLY, VEHICLES ARE NARROWER THAN THAT.
BUT, UM, SO, UH, THERE MAY BE A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, SOMEONE WAITING FOR SOMEONE TO, TO MOVE INTO THE QUEUE BEFORE THEY BACK OUT, BUT IT WOULDN'T CREATE THE TYPE OF, UM, INTERFERENCE THAT I, I THINK THAT I HEAR YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT.
I, I, I, I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT PROBABLY IS, UM, IN TERMS OF, IS THE, UH, PRIMARY BUSINESS DRIVE THROUGH OR PEOPLE THAT COME IN AND SIT DOWN, WHAT'S KIND OF THE RATIO OF EACH TYPE CHAIR? WE NEED TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR AN ANSWER.
UM, WE, WE CAN DO THAT NOW BECAUSE EVEN DURING PUBLIC HEARING, WE CAN REFER TO STAFF FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS WE WANT, RIGHT? YEAH.
SO AT THIS POINT WE'LL FORMALLY OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND WE WILL HEAR FIRST FROM THE APPLICANT.
[00:35:01]
NEW MASTER.UM, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, COMMISSIONER ROY, WE HAVE MIX.
SO WE HAVE SOME STORES THAT, UM, ARE A WALK UP AND DRIVE THROUGH.
WE HAVE SOME STORES THAT ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, WALK-IN ONLY MM-HMM.
SO IT'S A MIXED USE, UM, FOR THIS AREA.
YOU KNOW, WE, WHEN WE MET WITH THE CITY, THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR COMMUNITY AND CREATING THAT SPACE FOR SOME OF THE HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS OR FOR ANYONE REALLY.
AND SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE A MIXED, MIXED USE.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, UH, WE HAVE A STORE THAT IS ALMOST IDENTICAL TO THIS LAYOUT IN SANTA ANA THAT WE DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY ON, AND IT'S A MIXED USE WHERE PEOPLE ARE FLOWING IN AND OUT.
THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS ACTUALLY IDENTICAL TO THE ONE WE HAVE IN SANTA ANA THAT WE OPENED IN MAY.
UM, SO WOULD, SO WOULD YOU SAY, CAN I JUST, CAN I JUST GET YOU A LITTLE, SORRY, ROY, CAN I GET YOU A LITTLE CLOSER TO THE MICROPHONE JUST SO WE CAN ALL HEAR YOU.
YOU, I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE LOW THERE, SO I GUESS MAYBE MY QUESTION WASN'T CLEAR.
SO IS IT LIKE 60% DRIVE THROUGH 20% DRIVE THROUGH? YEAH, I, YEAH, YEAH.
WE'RE, WE'RE, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY 60 40, 60 DRIVE THROUGH 40 WALK UP.
SO, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE HOURS, IT DEPENDS, BUT YEAH.
AND IN YOUR MARKET RESEARCH, I GET PRIMARILY, I I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE THE TRAFFIC THAT'S, THAT'S HEADING WESTBOUND OFF OF IMPERIAL PRIMARILY, BUT I THINK THERE'S, WHEN WE'VE DID OUR RESEARCH AND WE LOOKED AT EUCLID COMING DOWN DURING, ESPECIALLY DURING THE MORNING, EUCLID HAS A PRETTY STEADY FLOW AS WELL.
SO, YEAH, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE COFFEE AND TEA, BUT YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR BEST SELLERS IS OUR COFFEE, SO WE'RE CATCHING A LOT OF THE MORNING COMMUTE.
NO, I, NO, I THINK THIS IS AN EXCELLENT, UM, REUSE OF THIS SITE.
I, I, I I THINK IT'S A, A GOOD SERVICE.
I, I THINK WE'RE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S ALL GONNA WORK.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE, THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS.
UM, 'CAUSE I THINK WHAT THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS WERE ALLUDING TO IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S YOUR CHOKE POINT.
SO IF YOU GOT A CAR DRIVING IN A CAR IN THE DRIVE THROUGH LANE, AND THEN SOMEBODY BACKING OUTTA THE SPACE, IT AIN'T GONNA WORK.
IF EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME, WHERE OVER ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE ROOM ON THAT, ON THAT SIDE.
SO I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE QUESTIONS WE'RE ASKING.
YOU KNOW, WHY DIDN'T YOU CONFIGURE IT? JUST A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TO TRY TO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, NO, I, OR, OR LIKE ACCESSIBLE STALL, SO YOU ONLY HAVE ONE AND IT, IT'S GONNA BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR ANYBODY TO GET IN AND OUT OF IT BECAUSE OF THE ACTIVITY FROM THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT NEEDS TO BE MOVED TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION ON THE SITE SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU CAN BACK IN AND OUT OF IT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST THROWING THAT AS IT'S SOMETHING MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED.
AND I THINK, I THINK PART OF THE INTENTION OF THE, THAT LAYOUT WAS RELATED TO THE QUEUING TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BACKING INTO THE STREET AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO THAT WAS, BUT YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO COME TO THE CITY OF LAHABRA TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S A WIN FOR EVERYBODY.
I, I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, MONOPOLIZE YOUR TIME.
SO TO BE FAIR TO YOU, IF, IF YOU HAD ANY OTHER COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE OPENED PUBLIC HEARING, AND WE WILL, YOU KNOW, TURN TO ANYBODY IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT, MR. NEW MASTER, ANYTHING ELSE? I KNOW WE WENT STRAIGHT INTO QUESTIONS, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEEDED TO SHARE WITH US THIS EVENING? UH, I THINK I, I HIT MOST OF THE POINTS.
I MEAN, WE'RE SUPER EXCITED TO COME.
WE'RE A FAMILY BUSINESS, STARTED ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO.
WE'VE BEEN BUILDING AND GROWING IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA.
UM, WE JUST, LIKE I SAID, OPENED ONE, ALMOST AN IDENTICAL STORE IN SANTA ANA IN MAY.
UH, AND JUST VERY EXCITED TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY, UM, GETTING THE LOCAL SCHOOLS INVOLVED, THE LOCAL COMMUNITY.
SO WE'RE JUST SUPER EXCITED TO BE HERE AND, AND GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
HOW MANY LOCATIONS DO YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW? UH, IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA WE HAVE, UH, I THINK ABOUT 30.
SO THAT'S THROUGH LA AND ORANGE COUNTY.
AND THE CLOSEST ONE TO US, WOULD IT BE SANTA ANA, THE CLOSEST ONE TO YOU WOULD PRO OR TO US HERE WOULD PROBABLY BE FULLERTON.
WE HAVE ONE IN FULLERTON, UM, YEAH.
CLOSER TO CAL STATE FULLERTON.
WELL, IF WE HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU, WE MIGHT CALL YOU BACK, BUT THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO ANYBODY ELSE THAT'S HERE THIS EVENING.
WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL, UH, ASK ANYONE HERE THAT IS WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROJECT, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
NOW, CAN I CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING IF WE'RE GONNA GO BACK TO THE APPLICANT, CITY ATTORNEY, UH, MR. CHAIR, I'D RECOMMEND KEEPING THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO ENGAGE.
SO WE'LL JUST KEEP IT OPEN FOR NOW.
WELL, I'LL JUST TURN, I'LL TURN TO THE COMMISSIONERS AND, YOU KNOW, ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE? I, I'LL, I'LL KICK IT OFF BY SAYING I, I LIKE, I LIKE THE DESIGN A LOT.
I, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE PROBABLY ALL SEEN A LOT OF
[00:40:01]
OLD WALGREENS, UM, CONVERSIONS AND THIS ONE LOOKS REALLY, REALLY GOOD.SO I, I'M PLEASED WITH, WITH THAT.
UM, I, I'M, I AM A LITTLE BIT NERVOUS ABOUT THAT, JUST FLOW OF TRAFFIC.
UM, I KIND OF TEND TO LOOK AT THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE QUEUE ANALYSIS PAGE, I GUESS WAS THE ONE WHERE I WOULD LOOK AT THAT EXIT GOING ONTO IMPERIAL AND ALMOST FEEL LIKE THAT'S NOT EVER GONNA REALLY BE USED, ESPECIALLY DURING PEAK TIMES.
UM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, A CONCERN FOR ME IN SOME WAYS.
WHAT ABOUT YOU GUYS? I'M IN AGREEMENT.
I, I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS LOCATION.
I'M REALLY GLAD THAT YOU GUYS CHOSE LAHABRA TO BRING YOUR BUSINESS TO, UM, ONE, BECAUSE I LOVE YOUR PRODUCT AND, BUT ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS A GREAT USE FOR THE SITE.
BUT AGAIN, I'M LOOKING AT THAT EGRESS ON IMPERIAL AND I, AND I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE HOW IT WOULD EVEN BE USED.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE TO WEIGH THE, THE RISK OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, CARS BACKING OUT INTO THE BUSY STREETS.
BUT ALSO IT JUST, IT JUST DOESN'T, I, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF LOGICAL IS THE RIGHT WORD, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO ME TO BE THE WAY THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY DRIVE, THE WAY THAT THE DRIVE THROUGH QUEUE IS SET UP.
COULD COULD YOU GO BACK TO THAT PAGE THAT SHOWS US YES.
THE DRIVE THROUGH, PLEASE CLICKS.
SO WHEN, WHEN WE, YOU WERE GUYS WERE DESIGNING THIS, AND MAYBE THIS IS BACK TO THE APPLICANT, DID YOU LOOK AT THE QUEUE, UM, THE DRIVE THROUGH ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AS AN OPTION AND THAT WAS REJECTED BECAUSE IT DIDN'T WORK FOR OTHER ISSUES WERE CAUSED? OR DID YOU LOOK AT THAT AT ALL, OR? I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T HEAR.
YEAH, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, FLIPPING ASIDE, THIS IS TOBY OUR ARCHITECT.
TOBY, SPEAK MORE KIND OF THE PROCESS.
TOBY, IF YOU COULD JUST FOR US, PLEASE STATE YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD.
I'M THE DESIGN CONSULTANT ON THIS PROJECT, AND WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT THAT LAYOUT, BUT WE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, WILL CAUSE A STACKING ISSUE ONTO IMPERIAL.
SO I THINK IN OUR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN, WE DID INCLUDE THAT, THAT THAT CHOKE POINT THAT YOU MENTIONED WOULD BE JUST A ONE-WAY STREET, ONE-WAY DRIVE AISLE.
UM, AND IN SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES THAT'S ADJACENT TO THE, UH, THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY EMPLOYEES ONLY.
WHICH PARKING? I'M SORRY, WHICH PARKING SPOTS WOULD BE OCCUPIED BY EMPLOYEES ONLY? UM, ON THE SITE PLAN, I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, PARKING SPACES IS 15, 14, 13, AND 12.
SO, SO THE, THE FURTHER, YEAH, SO THE BOTTOM LEFT, THE ONES THAT CREATE THE, THE CHOKE POINT? YEAH.
IT'S REALLY THE ONE'S ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
THAT'S ADJACENT TO, AND THAT, AND THAT MAKES SENSE 'CAUSE THE EMPLOYEES WILL GET THERE AND THEY WON'T BE LEAVING.
BUT I DON'T THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE ISSUE WITH THE ACCESSIBLE STALL.
THE ACCESSIBLE STALL AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE CARS THAT ARE LEAVING THE PARKING LOT AREA FROM ANY OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE TRYING TO GO WEST ON IMPERIAL.
UM, I MEAN, THEY COULD COME OUT EUCLID AND COME SOUTH ON EUCLID AND THEN GO WEST ON IMPERIAL FROM THAT WAY.
I THINK THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A CHOICE.
UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AT BUSY TIMES, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE THEIR ONLY OPTION.
IF, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT.
UM, THAT'S MORE OF A, I THINK A, A FUNCTION OF THE, THE CONGESTION WITHIN THERE.
UM, IT'S JUST, IT'S HARD TO SAY WITH THAT SPACE THERE.
DID, DID WE DO ANY KIND OF AN ANALYSIS OF WHICH, YOU KNOW, A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS BASICALLY OF WHICH DIRECTION THE CARS WERE GONNA BE COMING FROM INTO THE SITE? MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, GREG WONG ON-CALL ENGINEERS FOR CITY OF LA HARBOR.
UM, MICHAEL WHO USED TO, UM, BE HERE, MICHAEL PONICK.
SO WE, WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS SITE PLAN OVER AND OVER LOOKING AT, ESPECIALLY CIRCULATION.
AND, UM, OUR, WE HAD, UH, SIMILAR CONCERNS ON THAT CHOKE POINT THAT, UH, COMMISSIONERS MENTIONED ESPECIALLY TWO-WAY TRAFFIC.
AND SO WE JUST RECEIVED A NEW, UM, PLAN LAYOUT THURSDAY WHERE THEY, THEY MENTIONED THEY HAD ONE WAY INSTEAD OF TWO WAY TRAFFIC ON THAT SOUTH AREA.
SO WE WERE, WE WERE OKAY WITH THAT, HAVING AS ONE WAY AND LIKE AS YOU MENTIONED, CHAIR
[00:45:01]
MANLEY TO HAVE THAT EGRESS TRAFFIC EXIT OFF OF EUCLID.MS. MR. WONG, I'LL STOP YOU THERE.
UM, JUST FOR SOME CLARITY, I, I KNOW THAT MR. WYNN ALLUDED TO THE ONE-WAY TRAFFIC, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THE REST OF THE COMMISSION'S UNDERSTANDING.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT DIAGRAM IN FRONT OF US, WHAT THE ONE-WAY WOULD LOOK LIKE.
WELL, THAT'S ACTUALLY PART OF THE CONDITION.
WE, WE NEEDED A SIGNING AND STRIPING PLAN SO WE COULD VALIDATE THAT IT MOTORS COMING IN AND OUT WILL UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS ONE WAY.
SO I THINK THAT'S STILL UNDER DEVELOPMENT, IF I'M CORRECT.
YEAH, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR A, A NEW SIGNING AND STRIPING PLAN THAT SHOWS THE ONE WAY, WHAT'S THE CONCEPT? CONCEPT? IT'S, UM, DO YOU HAVE THE CONCEPT WITH YOU OR IT'S RIGHT HERE.
WHAT THE F**K ARE WE DOING HERE THOUGH? MY GLASSES.
SO RIGHT NOW THEY'RE JUST SHOWING A ONE WAY IN THE SOUTH AREA, BUT WE NEED, WE, LIKE, WE NEED MEANING NOBODY COULD GO OUT THIS WAY.
AND SO WE, WE JUST NEED SOME SIGNS DRIVING TO SHOW PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE PARKED IN THIS AREA, THAT THEY CAN'T GO OUT THAT WAY.
I'LL SHOW YOU AWAY IN A SECOND.
UM, CAN YOU SEE THIS OKAY? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I MEAN, ONE WAY IN OR ONE WAY OUT AND WAY NOT DON'T COME THIS WAY, RIGHT? IT'S ONE WAY THAT DIRECTION.
AND THAT, YOU KNOW, OKAY, YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT MAKE, THAT MAKES SENSE.
DO WE NEED TO GET IT SO BA BASED ON THAT DRAWING THOUGH? SO IF IT'S ONE
AND NOW IT'S, WELL, THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, I WAS JUST, SINCE WE JUST RECEIVED THE, THIS CONS CONCEPTUAL PLAN, I WAS ALSO THINKING, WELL THERE'S, AS YOU GUYS MENTIONED, THERE'S KIND OF A EMPTY SPACE TO THE WEST.
MAYBE THEY COULD USE THAT TO PULL LIKE, UM, CARS IN THE DRIVE THROUGH WITH HEAVY ORDERS, MOVE THEM OUT OUTTA THE QUEUE, PLACE 'EM TO THE WEST SINCE THAT SPACE ISN'T BEING USED.
SO THAT COULD BE PART OF THEIR TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SINCE CARS NORTH, I'M, I'M NOT, I'M NOT, I'M NOT.
I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT.
SO YOU, ARE YOU SUGGESTING A, A DOUBLE DRIVE THROUGH LANE? NO.
IF YOU HAVE, IF VEHICLES HAVE LARGE ORDERS AND IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE TO PROCESS, INSTEAD OF MOVING THEM, LET'S SAY THEY'RE IN THE BLUE AREA, UHHUH,
SO MAYBE WE COULD SHIFT THEM OVER TO THE WEST AND MOVE 'EM THERE.
SO IF THERE'S THE HEAVY ORDERS AND THEY'RE CAUSING THE QUEUING PROBLEMS, MAYBE THEY CAN MOVE 'EM SINCE THAT SPACE ISN'T BEING USED.
MISS, THAT WAS JUST A THOUGHT.
I JUST THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, I WANNA PAUSE FOR A MOMENT.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T NEED TO GET ANYTHING ON THE RECORD.
WHEN, UM, THE CITY ENGINEER CAME FORWARD AND PRESENTED TO US THE NEW CONCEPTUAL PLAN, UH, MR. CHAIR, IF WE CAN JUST HAVE THE APPLICANT GIVE A COPY TO THE SECRETARY SO SHE CAN MAKE THAT PLAN PART OF THE RECORD AND SHE CAN REFLECT THAT IT WAS SHOWN TO THE COMMISSION DURING THE MEETING.
SO WHEN THE MEETING'S OVER, YOU CAN GET A COPY OF THAT TO HER, UH, MR. WONG.
I KNOW I, I CUT YOU GUYS OFF THERE, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T MISS THAT.
UM, SO TALKING ABOUT MAYBE A ADDING ADDITIONAL PARALLEL PARKING ON THE WESTERN PART OF THE PROPERTY, AND WOULD THAT BE ELIMINATING ANY OF THE OTHER PARKING IN MR. WONG? NO.
AND WOULD THAT BE SPECIFICALLY FOR KIND OF, YOUR COFFEE'S NOT READY YET? UM, OR IS THAT LIKE JUST TO MOVE THE QUEUE FORWARD, JUST KEEP ON HAVING THE QUEUE MOVING FORWARD? IF THERE'S ALAR, LIKE I SAID, A LARGE ORDER THAT'S GONNA, YOU KNOW, DISRUPT THE QUEUE, WE COULD PULL THOSE.
IF YOU COULD PULL THAT, THAT CUSTOMER SIDE.
NOW I JUST THOUGHT OF IT RIGHT NOW.
I HAVEN'T EVEN SPOKE WITH THE APPLICANT ABOUT IT,
WELL, THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT I SEE IS HOW, HOW DO WE GET THE VEHICLE BACK THERE? WELL, LIKE I SAID, IF THE VEHICLE AND THE QUEUE'S IN THE, WHAT ONE OF THEIR, UM, TRAFFIC MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS TO HAVE PEOPLE WITH TABLETS PLACE ORDERS FOR BACK OF THE QUEUE SO THEY'LL KNOW WHAT THE ORDERS ARE.
SO IF THERE'S A LARGE ORDER IN THE BACK OF THE QUEUE, THEY KNOW IT'S GONNA TAKE A WHILE TO PROCESS.
HOWEVER, IT'S GONNA BE HARD TO MOVE THE CAR OUT INTO THE PARKING LOT.
SO I WAS THINKING MAYBE YOU CAN MOVE 'EM OUT TO THE WEST.
DO WE, DO WE DO THAT AT ANY OF OUR OTHER LOCATIONS? IS THAT AN ISSUE?
[00:50:02]
CAN I GET YOU TO THE MICROPHONE PLEASE, MR. NEW MASTER? YEAH.UH, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION, THE IDEA OF USING THE TABLETS AT ANY OTHER LOCATION, IS THAT THE QUESTION? I I, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS MORE ABOUT LIKE QUEUING VEHICLES POST ORDER, CORRECT.
COMMISSIONER RAMS LAND OR BOTH? I'M NOT SURE.
IT SOUNDED LIKE, DO YOU USUALLY HAVE SOME SORT OF A SECONDARY QUEUE FOR, BECAUSE IT TAKES LONGER TO FILL THE ORDER, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING.
YEAH, I'LL, I'LL SAY FOR THE MOST PART, OUR ORDERS ARE DONE UNDER 60 SECONDS, EVEN IF IT'S A LARGE ORDER.
IN CASES WHERE, SO FOR EXAMPLE, OUR BROKER STORE IN, UH, WESTMINSTER, A VERY LARGE QUEUE, VERY HIGH VOLUME STORE, UM, SIMILAR TO PROBABLY WHAT YOU'VE SEEN IN NOW CHICK-FIL-A, WE COME OUT WITH AN IPAD ORDER AND THEY'RE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, PRODUCE THEM FASTER AND WE'RE JUST LITERALLY HANDING THE DRINKS OUT AS THEY APPROACH THE WINDOW.
SO, UM, ONE OF OUR, YOU KNOW, CORE VALUES IS SPEED.
SO, UH, WE HAVE THAT OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY AND, UM, OPERATIONAL FUNCTION RELATED TO THE IPAD USAGE.
DOES THAT ANSWER THE QUESTION OR? YES, IT DOES.
YEAH, THAT'S WHY I WAS COMMISSIONER CHAIR.
IF I MAY READ, UM, CONDITION OF APPROVAL EIGHT INTO THE RECORD JUST SO THAT YOU CAN CONSIDER IT AS YOU'RE MAKING THESE COMMENTS AND SEE IF IT'S SUFFICIENT TO REFLECT THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.
IT SAYS, PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMITS, THE APPLICANT DEVELOPER SHALL SUBMIT PLANS FOR SIGNAGE AND STRIPING DIRECTING THE CUSTOMER TRAFFIC IN A SAFE MANNER, SUBJECT TO REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE CITY ENGINEER OR DESIGNEE.
SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WANNA ADD TO THAT OR KE IF THAT WOULD RESOLVE THE CONCERNS THAT YOU HAVE.
THE, THE YEAH, THAT'S HELPFUL.
PROBABLY GUIDING OUR DISCUSSION.
UM, THANKS FOR SHARING THAT, BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
UM, COMMISSIONER GOMEZ, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS, VICE CHAIRMAN, HECHE, ANYTHING? NO, I JUST THINK THAT IT'S, IT'S TELLING THAT YOU ALREADY CAME UP WITH ANOTHER, UM, PLAN FOR THE STRIPING AND THE KNOW AND THE ONE WAY ONLY.
I MEAN, THIS IS CLEARLY SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE THOUGHT OF AS WELL.
AND I, 'CAUSE LOOKING AT IT THE WAY THAT IT IS NOW, IT JUST, IT DOESN'T MODEL THE WAY PEOPLE ACTUALLY DRIVE OR AT LEAST PEOPLE WON'T BE COMING OUTTA THAT, UM, EXIT ON INTO IMPERIAL HIGHWAY IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT THIS IS GONNA BE.
SO I THINK THAT IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH, UM, CONSIDERING THIS ALTERNATIVE, WOULD THE, THE WAY THE LANGUAGE OF THAT CONDITION THAT YOU JUST READ TO US, WOULD, WOULD THAT BE SUFFICIENT, UM, HAVING THAT IN PLACE ALREADY FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE ANY OF THE MODIFICATION REGARDING THE ONE WAY? OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD WANT TO INCLUDE IN LIKE A MODIFIED RESOLUTION? IN MY OPINION, THE WAY THAT THE CONDITION IS WRITTEN, IT GIVES THE ABILITY FOR THE CITY TRAFFIC ENGINEER USING HIS EXPERT ENGINEERING EXPERTISE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GONNA BE THE SAFEST MANNER.
SO IT KIND OF GIVES US THE ROOM FOR A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY ON HOW THE END QUEUE AND CIRCULATION WILL WORK ON THIS PROJECT THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK FORWARD WITH.
I THINK WHAT WE DEFINITELY SAW IN THIS PROJECT IS, UM, THE TRANSFORMATION OF THE EXISTING BUILDING INTO THIS NEW YO USE.
AND IT WAS THE OPINION OF STAFF THAT THE QUEUING DID NEED PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK, WHICH IS WHY THERE'S THIS CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
SO IT CAN BE FURTHER, YOU KNOW, REVISED SO THAT IT, IT WORKS WELL ON THE SITE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE RESTAURANT AND THE MENU BOARD, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT THAT WILL GET WORKED OUT UNDER THE EXPERTISE OF THE CITY ENGINEER AT A LATER DATE COMMISSION UNLESS YOU DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
COMMISSIONERS ARE, ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? I AM, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, BUT, BUT I, I STILL HAVE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE ACCESSIBLE STALL BECAUSE IT, IN THIS SCENARIO, IT'S REALLY NOT ACCESSIBLE TO SOMEBODY THAT REALLY NEEDS TO GET IN AND OUT OF IT.
'CAUSE IT'S GONNA BE CONSTANTLY BLOCKED WITH DRIVE THROUGH TRAFFIC AND, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S A 25 FOOT AISLE AND 10 FEET OF IT'S TAKEN AWAY FOR THE CARS IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
SO I'D REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT MOVED, YOU KNOW, FARTHER DOWN THE ROW.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A, A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF PROBLEMS BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE THE BUILDING CODE THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, HOW CLOSE IT HAS TO BE TO THE BUILDING, UM, YOU KNOW, FOR TRAVEL DISTANCE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THAT'S, BUT THAT NEEDS TO BE WORKED OUT TOO.
'CAUSE THAT WOULD AFFECT THE WHOLE ACCESS DOWN TO IMPERIAL HIGHWAY IF YOU MOVED IT DOWN TO THE, YOU KNOW, SAY TO THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROW OR THE MIDDLE OF THE ROW OR JUST SOMETHING.
SO IT'S OUT OF THE WAY OF THE QUEUE SO THEY CAN GET IN AND OUT.
'CAUSE I MEAN NOT, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU COULD GET YOURSELF SUED BY A, YOU KNOW, A, A DISABLED PERSON 'CAUSE THEY CAN'T GET INTO THE ACCESSIBLE STALL AND WHEN, WHEN WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN TO YOU.
[00:55:01]
OF MY CONCERN.WOULD POTENTIALLY A SIGN THAT SAYS DO NOT DR UM, DO NOT BLOCK A DA ACCESS HELP RESOLVE THAT.
I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE
I, I DON'T THAT'S YOU, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S IT.
IT, CONSIDERING HOW OFTEN THIS WOULD OCCUR, HOW OFTEN THE QUEUE WOULD BE FULL THAT EVERY SINGLE SPACE WOULD BE FULL WITH A CAR, YOU KNOW, THINKING THROUGH HOW, HOW OFTEN THIS WOULD HAPPEN WOULD POTENTIALLY THAT SIGN AT LEAST HELP ADDRESS THAT? IT, IT, I'M NOT, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SURE I, YOU KNOW, I TRANSPORT A DISABLED PERSON AROUND A LOT AND, AND IN A LOT OF PLACES WE GO, IT'S VERY CHALLENGING TO GET IN AND OUT OF SPACES, UM, WHEN IN THIS TYPE OF A SITUATION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU SO I, I DON'T KNOW.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WOULD WORK OR NOT.
I'M OPEN TO, I I THE SUGGESTION AND LOOK WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS.
IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THAT IS THE FRONT INTEREST TO THE BUSINESS.
SO ALL PEDESTRIANS WILL BE ENTERING THERE.
IT HAS TO BE CLOSE ENOUGH FOR THEM TO WALK.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN, IT, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE HAD MORE THAN ONE, IF WE HAD TWO A DA SPOTS? I KNOW IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT WOULD MAKE A DIFFERENCE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BECAUSE IF THE ONE WAS NOT ACCESSIBLE AT THE, AT THE TIME OF QUEUING, THERE WOULD AT LEAST BE THE TWO.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS RESOLVE IT.
I LEAVE IT UP TO YOUR EXPERTISE.
IS THAT THE ON, THAT'S THE ONLY ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING IS THAT FRONT ENTRANCE THERE? THAT'S RIGHT.
THERE'S A ENTRANCE TO THE REAR, BUT THAT'S FOR STAFF.
AND YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT THE, UM, THE COMMENT ABOUT A DA, IT DOES HAVE TO BE, UH, IMMEDIATELY ACCESSIBLE TO THE, TO THE ENTRANCE.
AND SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE CLOSE MOST LIKELY.
AND I'LL DEFER TO SOME OF THE ENGINEERS.
WE WOULD LIKELY HAVE TO HAVE AN A DA STALLED NEXT TO IT.
UM, THERE MAY BE SOME WAY OF, OF DESIGNATING SOME OF THOSE SPACES FOR OTHER USE SUCH AS STAFF PARKING TO KEEP PEOPLE OUT OF THAT LOCATION AND MINIMIZE THAT, THAT CHOKE POINT.
WHEREAS EVERYONE ELSE WOULD PARK ELSEWHERE ON SITE.
THE, THE GRADED OUT KIND OF PATHWAY FROM THE A DA STALL INTO THE BUILDING.
IS, IS THAT DENOTING STRIPE EDGE? YES.
THAT'S A DA STRIPE EDGE IS REQUIRED.
AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE SIGNAGE, MAYBE SOME LANGUAGE IN, IN, IN STRIPE STRIPING THE DO NOT BLOCK, UM, COULD BE PAINTED ON EITHER SIDE ADJACENT TO THAT GRADED OUT AREA.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, YOU SEE THAT AT DIFFERENT PLACES.
AND, UM, I I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, A CONDITION REQUIRING, YOU KNOW, STAFF MANAGEMENT OF THE LINE TO, TO FACILITATE THAT IS, IS REASONABLE IN ANY WAY.
SO, UM, COMMISSIONER SLAND? YES AND NO
SO THE, THE, THE FRONT DOOR INTO THIS BUSINESS IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING BASED ON THE DRAWING WE'RE LOOKING AT.
SO WHETHER THAT PATH OF TRAVEL IS ON THE LEFT OR THE RIGHT, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME DISTANCE FROM THE PARKING SPACE UP TO THE BUILDING.
IS THERE AN, IS THERE AN ELEVATION CHANGE? NO, IT'S FLAT FROM THE PARKING SPACE ALL THE WAY.
SO THERE, THERE'S NO NEED FOR THEM TO, TO HAVE TO USE THAT GRADED OUT, YOU KNOW, LINE THAT PATH.
THEY CAN GO, WELL THEY, IN FRONT OF A CAR THAT'S THERE BEHIND A CAR, THEY CAN GO ALL OVER 'CAUSE THERE'S NO RAMP THAT THEY NEED TO USE.
SO, SO IF THE ACCESSIBLE PATH AND THE SPACE WAS MOVED OVER TO, I MEAN WHAT PARKING SPACE? WHAT 11 MAYBE I'M, I CAN'T SEE THE NUMBER.
SO RIGHT NEXT TO THE A DA ROY IS 14.
SO IT COMES UP THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE BLOCKED 'CAUSE IT'S OVER IN THAT AREA WHERE WE HAVE ROOM.
BUT AGAIN, WE NEED TO CHECK THE BUILDING CODE TO SEE IF THAT REALLY STILL MEETS THE REQUIREMENT.
I'M JUST LOOK EYEBALLING IT AND SAYING IT LOOKS LIKE IT, BUT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THE A DA EXPERT.
THAT COULD BE ONE OF THOSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT A PREVIOUS MEETING WHERE WE COULD SAY MOVING THE A DA PARKING SPACE IS FEASIBLE BECAUSE AS YOU'RE SAYING IT MAY NOT BE FEASIBLE ACCORDING TO THE BUILDING CODE.
IT MIGHT BE SOMEWHAT SET BY THE BUILDING CODE.
IT IT, IT MAY BE, BUT IT'S NOT FEASIBLE IF PEOPLE CAN'T GET INTO IT EITHER,
I SAID I'M, I'M SAYING I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT EXCEPTIONS IN, IN THE BUILDING CODE AND I, WE DON'T HAVE THAT EU FOR US.
SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IF, IF I MAY, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE COMMISSION.
SO THE, THE, THE VEHICLE SHOWN CROSSING OVER THE PATH OF TRAVEL, IF THAT WAS ELIMINATED AS SUSAN SUGGESTED AND THERE WAS SIGNAGE TO KEEP CLEAR AND MAINTAIN
[01:00:01]
A PEDESTRIAN WALKWAY, IT WOULD STILL MEET THE, THE QUEUING ANALYSIS OF WHAT WAS NINE VEHICLES.'CAUSE YOU'RE OVER CAPACITY BY TWO VEHICLES RIGHT NOW THAT THAT WOULD NOT, I, WHILE I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER RAND'S COMMENT REGARDING MOVING THE PATH TO TRAVEL TO THE EAST FURTHER, I DO THINK THERE MIGHT BE DIFFICULTY IN MAKING THE CONNECTION TO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I JUST WANNA REITERATE WITH THE COMMISSION CONSIDER, UM, SIMILAR TO, UH, OUR LAST PROJECT, CHICK-FIL-A THEY, IT'S NOT UNCOMMON YOU SEE A PEDESTRIAN CLEARANCE AREA WITH SIGNAGE SPEAKING TO THAT KEEP CLEAR FOR PEDESTRIAN TRAVEL, UM, AND ELIMINATE THAT.
I THINK WHAT'S CONFUSING IS SHOWING THAT VEHICLE CROSSING THAT PATH TO TRAVEL THAT, THAT NOT BE CONTIN, UH, CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE QUEUE.
I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THE COMMISSION.
I MEAN, I, I UNDERSTAND EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL TRYING TO BE HELPFUL AND, AND, AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK.
AND, AND SOMETIME TRYING TO MAKE IT WORK FROM THE PODIUM WITHOUT ALL THE CODES IN FRONT OF YOU JUST DOES, DOESN'T WORK.
POTENTIALLY, MAYBE WE SHOULD CONTINUE THIS TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT IT AGAIN TO SEE IF THEY COULD RESOLVE SOME OF THESE ISSUES SO WE HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THE FINAL PLAN.
UM, JUST AS MAYBE A SUGGESTION, I ACTUALLY WOULD PREFER IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT YOU HAD RECOMMENDED, THAT WE COULD STILL APPROVE IT AND WITH THE CONDITION FOR APPROVAL MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME RATHER THAN DELAYING THIS PROJECT MORE IF THAT IS THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE THERE.
AND IT CAN, IF IT CAN BE CLARIFIED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT RATHER THAN DELAYING I'M IN AGREEMENT.
BUT I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASK A POINT OF ORDER AGREEMENT WHERE IN AGREEMENT THAT I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPROVING THE CONDITIONAL USE PER, UM, PERMIT.
BUT WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP? WOULD THEY BE COMING BACK TO US WITH A DESIGN REVIEW AND SHOWING US A DIFFERENT, IF, IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE, IF WE WERE TO CONTINUE AND GO FORWARD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IF YOU WERE TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE FOR THE CITY ENGINEER TO REVIEW THE QUEUING STUDY PER THAT CONDITION, NUMBER EIGHT THAT I MENTIONED.
AND THE CITY ENGINEER HAS HEARD ALL THE COMMENTS AT THE MEETING AND THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AS COMMISSIONER RAMSON SAID, BOTH FROM A BUILDING CODE PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE SAFE MANNER AS I READ IN THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT, UM, IT'S, THE POINT IS TO DIRECT CUSTOMER TRAFFIC IN A SAFE MANNER.
AND THAT WOULD NOT JUST BE THE QUEUE.
THAT WOULD BE FOLKS WHO NEED THE ACCESSIBLE SPACE.
ALL CUSTOMERS WOULD NEED TO BE ABLE TO ENTER THE SITE IN A SAFE MANNER.
AND WE WOULD DEPEND ON THE CITY ENGINEER TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION.
W WOULD THAT COME BEFORE US AGAIN AFTERWARDS? NO, NO.
IT'S LIKE, WELL THEN WHY ARE WE HERE? WELL, I, UH, I I, I LIKE, I LIKE PARTS OF THE PROJECT.
I LIKE, I LIKE A LOT OF THE PROJECT ACTUALLY.
UM, THERE'S JUST SOME, SOME PARTS THAT I DON'T THINK, FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE READY FOR TONIGHT.
UM, AND THAT'S DIFFICULT FOR, FOR ME TO SAY, UH, BECAUSE WE SIT HERE TONIGHT, YOU KNOW, DO WE PUSH IT FORWARD AND GIVE A LOT OF DISCRETION TO STAFF ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS AFTER THAT, UH, WITH THOSE CONDITIONS? THAT'S AN OPTION.
UM, THE COMMISSIONER GOMEZ IS IN FAVOR OF THAT.
UM, YOU KNOW, COMMISSIONER RAMSON, YOU EXPRESSED MAYBE CONTINUING THE ITEM ALTOGETHER.
UH, SO WE CAN KINDA LOOK AT SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT I WOULD AGREE ARE, ARE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO DECIPHER FROM THE PODIUM WITH A LOT MORE QUESTIONS ON CODE AND, AND SO FORTH.
OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WHEN STAFF IS REVIEWING THOSE, IF WE PUSHED FORWARD WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS CERTAINLY CAPABLE AND, UM, HAS THE EXPERTISE TO MAKE ALL THOSE CONSIDERATIONS, UM, WITH, WITHOUT US.
ANY OTHER FINAL THOUGHTS BEFORE WE MAYBE MOVE SOME ACTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? I, I WANT TO APPROVE THIS.
I WANT TO, I WANT THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD,
[01:05:01]
BUT I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE WHAT WE NEED IF IT'S NOT GONNA COME BACK BEFORE US, YOU KNOW, SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THIS MATTER UNTIL WE KNOW A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO ABOUT THE PARKING.I THINK THE, UM, TEAM'S TRAFFIC ENGINEER WANTED TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THIS TOPIC.
JUST YOUR FIRST AND LAST NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
UH, MY NAME IS DENNIS BILLADO.
I'M A CONSULTING TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
UM, I'M THE ONE THAT PROVIDED THE TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE CITY'S, UH, CONSULTING TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
UM, I HAVE PERSONALLY SAT AT A SEVEN LEAVES FACILITY FOR OVER A HUNDRED HOURS OBSERVING THE DRIVE-THROUGHS, AND IN PARTICULAR THE TWO IN SANTA ANA THAT ARE VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL.
ONE OF 'EM IS ACTUALLY THE REUSE OF A WALGREENS JUST LIKE THIS.
UM, THE ONE THING I'LL TELL YOU IS THAT THE, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THAT PLAN VASTLY OVERSTATES THE DEMAND.
THE AVERAGE DEMAND IS ONE CAR, LIKE ONE CAR IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND WHEN I SIT AND COUNT EVERY FIVE MINUTES, I'LL NOTE, UH, TWO THINGS.
HOW MANY CARS ARE SITTING BETWEEN THE PICKUP WINDOW AND THE ORDER BOARD AND HOW MANY CARS ARE BEHIND THE ORDER BOARD? 'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DON'T QUEUE OUT INTO THE STREET.
UM, I WILL SAY DARRELL ACTUALLY OVERSTATED, UM, THE MAX I'VE EVER OBSERVED OVER A HUNDRED HOURS WAS SEVEN CARS SIMULTANEOUSLY.
UH, HE SAID NINE BECAUSE I HAD SEEN, UH, FIVE BEHIND THE PICKUP WINDOW AND FOUR BEHIND THE ORDER BOARD, BUT THAT WASN'T AT THE SAME TIME
SO IT'S ACTUALLY SEVEN IS THE MOST I'VE EVER OBSERVED.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT 95% OF THE TIME THERE'S ONLY ONE CAR IN THE DRIVE THROUGH.
AND THE REASON IS, IS BECAUSE, UH, IT'S LITERALLY 60 SECONDS, UM, FROM WHEN SOMEONE PLACES THEIR ORDER AND DRIVES THROUGH AND PICKS IT UP WHEN, WHEN THEY GET TO THAT WINDOW, IT'S READY.
AND, UH, AND ALSO THEY HAVE A, UH, A VERY ROBUST, UM, APPLICATION AND APP ON YOUR PHONE THAT YOU CAN ORDER IN ADVANCE.
AND A LOT OF THEIR CU CUSTOMERS, UH, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.
SO THEY, THEY JUST GO RIGHT TO THE WINDOW AND PICK UP THEIR ORDER.
SO, UM, I THINK THAT, UM, I DID LOOK AT THE, UH, THIS ISSUE VERY CAREFULLY AT THE DIRECTION OF MR. WONG.
THIS, THIS AREA BEHIND THE, UH, THE A DA SPACE.
YOU ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THAT SPACE AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO THE, TO THE FRONT DOOR.
IT'S THE TITLE 24 REQUIREMENT.
SO THAT THAT PATH OF TRAVEL THAT, THAT YOU SEE IS, IS AS SHORT AS POSSIBLE.
UM, I DID DECIDE THAT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE A ONE-WAY AND A COUNTER-CLOCKWISE MOTION ON THAT SITE.
UM, THE, THE AISLE IS A LITTLE NARROW.
IT'S 25 FEET FROM THE BACK OF THE PARKING SPOT TO THE, TO THAT SIDEWALK.
UH, BUT WITHIN THAT 25 FOOT ENVELOPE YOU HAVE THE DRIVE THROUGH ITSELF AND THEN THE AISLE WAY COULD YOU FIT THREE CARS THROUGH THERE? IT'D BE PRETTY TIGHT.
SO I, I THINK THAT IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT IT'S, IT'S ONE WAY, UH, IN A COUNTERCLOCKWISE MOTION.
BUT, UM, I, I WILL TELL YOU THAT, UH, IN MY A HUNDRED HOURS OF OBSERVING, UH, SIX DIFFERENT SITES THAT THEY OPERATE, UH, ON AVERAGE THERE'S ONE CAR IN THE DRIVE THROUGH
ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM, UH, COMMISSION? UH, I JUST DON'T WANNA GET IT WRONG.
I, I DON'T WANNA GET IT WRONG AND PROVE SOMETHING AND THEN HAVE IT NOT TURN OUT THE WAY WE EXPECTED IT TO.
GO AHEAD, MR. NEW MASTER, NEW MASTER HAS A QUESTION.
UM, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, THERE'S A CONCERN FOR MORE INFORMATION.
CAN YOU, UH, HELP ME TO UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT THE PATHWAY WOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE, UH, WE WENT THROUGH, LIKE WITH THE PLANNING COMMITTEE, THE CITY ENGINEERS, OUR ENGINEERS THAT KNOW THE CODES THAT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AND PRESENTED THE BEST SOLUTION.
SO LIKE, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF IT IS POSTPONED, WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING TO SEE NEXT MEETING OR WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD PUT YOU AT EASE? SURE, I'LL START AND THEN I'LL LET THE REST OF THE COMMISSION JUMP IN AS, AS THEY SEE FIT.
UM, I THINK WE QUICKLY ACKNOWLEDGED THE CHOKE POINT, UH, FROM HERE AND FROM OUT THERE.
THAT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, STATED AND I THINK IT WAS ALREADY KNOWN ABOUT AS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF YOU SAID, AND THEN WE WERE SHOWED THE CONCEPTUAL, YOU KNOW, DESIGN, UM, FOR THE ONE WAY KIND OF TRAFFIC.
UM, I THINK THERE'S STILL QUESTIONS ABOUT, UM, THE FLOW OF A DA, THE PATHWAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHERE THAT PARKING STALL MAY BEST BE, UM, DESIGNED.
UH, WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE, UH, FOR THERE TO BE ANOTHER ONE? WOULD IT
[01:10:01]
BE APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TO BE MOVED OR RELOCATED? UM, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT I HEARD TONIGHT WAS POSSIBLY REVISITING SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, UM, AND THEN COMING BACK WITH MORE CLARITY AND ANSWERS TO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED.UM, BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION FOR THEIR THOUGHTS TO THAT IF THEY HAVE ANY.
I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, I ALSO HAVE THAT QUESTION BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE CONCEPT THAT YOU SHARED AS WELL AS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE CARS ARE WAY TOO BIG FOR THIS EXAMPLE THAT YOU SHARED WITH US.
SO IT DOES LOOK LIKE THERE'S GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET OUT OF THE EDA OR TO GET IN AND THEN IF THERE'S GONNA BE BACK IN AND EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL MENTIONED, I UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT'S COMING FROM, BUT I ALSO HAVE THAT QUESTION, LIKE WHAT DO WE EXPECT IT TO COME BACK TO? BECAUSE IF THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA FIGURE THAT OUT, THAT SPECIFIC AREA WHERE WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT, WHAT WILL BE THE DIFFERENCE IF THE CODE HAS BEEN SHARED, THE A DA RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE THERE REGARDING, LIKE THE ENTRANCE IS LITERALLY RIGHT IN FRONT FRONT OF IT.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT WE'RE EXPECTING FOR US TO THEN DELAY THIS PROJECT.
YEAH, I MEAN, ONE WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS IF, YOU KNOW, WE COME BACK AGAIN NEXT TIME AND, AND THE PAPER THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PASSED AROUND UP HERE IS ON A SCREEN AND WE, WE ALL GO HOME, YOU KNOW, THAT NIGHT AND SAY, OKAY, THAT LOOKS GREAT.
UM, MAYBE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
COMMISSIONER GOMEZ IS WE, WE SAW THAT, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? JUST WANNA CONTINUE IT OR NO, I I, I'M GOOD WITH WHATEVER THE, UH, MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION WANTS TO DO.
SO I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS ARE HAPPY WITH IT, THEN YOU KNOW, LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
I'M GONNA TRUST YOU GUYS
UM, OTHERWISE, 'CAUSE I MEAN, IF WE'RE GONNA APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND IT'S NOT GONNA COME BACK TO US SHOWING, YOU KNOW, SHOWING US THE CHANGES, I'M JUST GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO PUT OUR TRUST IN THE STAFF AND YOUR EXPERTISE TO GET IT DONE.
UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME PROJECTS WHERE WE REVISIT, YOU KNOW, BUT UM, IN THIS CASE, WE JUST HAVE TO TRUST YOU.
I, I SUPPOSE SO I GUESS THAT'S WHAT MY VOTE'S GONNA HINGE ON.
SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE FORWARD, UM, IS THERE ANY MODIFICATION? I KNOW, UH, DIRECTOR KIM, EARLIER YOU MENTIONED YOU KIND OF DIRECTED OUR ATTENTION TO THAT CONDITION.
UM, BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE HAD, IS EVERYTHING KIND OF COVERED UNDER THAT MISS CITY ATTORNEY, MR. CHAIR? AS THE DIRECTOR MENTIONED, THAT CONDITION DOES GIVE STAFF FLEXIBILITY, SO I BELIEVE IT DOES, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH ENTRUSTING STAFF TO DO THAT.
BUT IF YOU WANT TO FURTHER REVISE THAT CONDITION TO MAKE IT MORE SPECIFIC IN ANY WAY THAT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW, WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? COMMISSIONER RAMSON INTERVIEW? WELL, I, I MEAN, I TRUST STAFF COMPLETELY TO GET IT RIGHT, SO, BUT IT, IT IS NOT A PUBLIC FORUM, I GUESS IT YOU WE TRUSTING THE STAFF TO GET IT RIGHT.
AND SO NO, NO LANGUAGE FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THAT.
UM, DOES ANYBODY WANNA MAKE A MOTION? MR. CHAIR, CAN YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING PLEASE? THANK YOU, MISS CITY ATTORNEY.
YEAH, AT THIS TIME WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, UM, AND I'LL JUST TURN TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 24 DASH 0 0 0 2 TO ESTABLISH AND OPERATE A DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANT SEVEN LIAM CAFE, WITH AN OUTDOOR MENU BOARD WITHIN AN EXISTING LEGAL NON-CONFORMING BUILDING AND SITE LOCATED AT 1 0 1 WEST IMPERIAL HIGHWAY, AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 15 3 0 3, CLASS THREE, NEW CONSTRUCTION OR CONVERSION OF SMALL STRUCTURES OF THE SQA GUIDELINES.
MOTION'S BEEN MADE BY VICE CHAIRMAN MACHA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GOMEZ.
EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.
MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO AND THIS WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE IN 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS THIS EVENING FROM STAFF? NO
[01:15:01]
COMMENTS THIS EVENING.ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? COMMISSIONER GOMEZ? NO COMMENT.
COMMISSIONER SLAND? NO COMMENT.
I LOVE IT WHEN IT'S COLLABORATIVE LIKE THIS.
I LOVE WHEN THERE'S A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT AND I REALLY TRULY APPRECIATE THAT YOU BROUGHT IN ALL YOUR EXPERTS BECAUSE YOU ANSWERED A LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU PROBABLY WEREN'T EXPECTING.
AND I, AND I ALSO JUST WANNA KIND OF GIVE A BIG UPS TO MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I LEARN A LOT FROM YOU EVERY TIME THAT I WORK WITH YOU.
AND ALSO THANK YOU TO THE STAFF FOR PROVIDING EXCELLENT REPORTS.
YEAH, I WOULD JUST SAY I, I'VE, I'VE BEEN IN INCREASINGLY IMPRESSED WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE IMPROVED PRESENTATION OF THE STAFF REPORTS.
YOU GET ALL THE CREDIT TONIGHT, DARRYL.
YEAH, I'LL PASS HIM ALONG TO ASH.
TELL HIM WE SAID SANS HIM THOUGH NOW.
I MEAN, JUST RECENTLY THERE'S, I, I THINK BEN A HUGE IMPROVEMENT AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, WHY THAT IS OR, OR WHO SHOULD, YOU KNOW, BE DESERVING OF THE CREDIT, BUT IT'S GONNA BE YOU AND ASH BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE THE ONES, UM, YOU KNOW, MAKING THOSE PRESENTATIONS.
I'M SURE STAFF BEHIND THE SCENES, YOU KNOW, SONIA AND SUSAN HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT.
SO, UH, I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE VISUALS I THINK, ARE HELPFUL FOR US AND THE PUBLIC TO SEE THOSE GRAPHICS AND THE ANIMATION AND JUST TO KIND OF HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S HAPPENING.
I, I THINK IT GOES A LONG WAY IN CLEARLY PRESENTING THE PROJECT TO US.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE US.
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED TO OCTOBER 28TH, 2024.