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[ CALL TO ORDER: Council Chamber INVOCATION: City Attorney Jones PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE: Mayor Espinoza ROLL CALL: Mayor Espinoza Mayor Pro Tem Medrano Councilmember Gomez Councilmember Lampkin Councilmember Nigsarian]
EVENING.I WILL NOW CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LA HARBOR OF, UH, MARCH 17TH, 2025.
LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT IT IS 6:30 PM AND THAT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT.
THE INVOCATION WILL BE GIVEN BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY DICK JONES, FOLLOWED BY THE FLAG SALUTE THAT WILL BE LED BY ME, IF YOU WILL.
ALL PLEASE RISE, ASK YOU TO PLEASE, UH, BOW YOUR HEADS.
UH, UH, DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, WE COME BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING WITH GRATITUDE IN OUR HEARTS.
WE'RE SO GRATEFUL TO LIVE IN THIS WONDERFUL COUNTRY AND TO LIVE IN THIS VERY SPECIAL CITY OF LAHABRA.
WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THOSE WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY, OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE PUBLIC WORKS, AND ALL THE EMPLOYEES WHO CONTRIBUTE SO MUCH TO MAKING LIFE IN LAHABRA SPECIAL.
WE ASK YOU TO BLESS OUR COUNCIL THIS EVENING WITH WISDOM AND INSIGHT THAT IS THE ACT THIS EVENING.
THEY DO SO WITH INTEGRITY AND A SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL OF LAHABRA.
WE SEE THESE THINGS IN THY NAME.
PLEASE TURN AND FACE OUR NATION'S FLAG.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
UH, WILL THE CITY CLERK PLEASE CALL? ROLE? YES.
ARE THERE ANY CLOSED SESSION ANNOUNCEMENTS? UH, THERE'S NO CLOSED SESSION ANNOUNCEMENTS, UH, THIS EVENING REGARDING ACTIONS REGARDING THE CITY COUNCIL.
HOWEVER, I DO HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT THIS EVENING AND AS IS REFLECTED IN ITEM SIX OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
I HAVE ANNOUNCED THE CITY COUNCILS ENCLO SESSION OF PUBLICLY THAT I'M NOW RETIRING AFTER 40 YEARS AS A CITY ATTORNEY.
UH, I'VE ATTENDED ALMOST 1000 CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS, UH, AND IT'S BEEN A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE.
KEITH COLLINS IS HERE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT THIS EVENING.
HE WOULD BECOME YOUR NEW CITY ATTORNEY AND WOULD REPRESENT YOU GOING FORWARD.
UH, I WILL STILL CONTINUE TO BE A BIG PART OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN MY HOME FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS NOW.
UH, BUT AGAIN, UH, I HAVE ENJOYED THIS EXPERIENCE.
I DO SO WITH HUMILITY AND A SENSE OF, UH, GRATITUDE FOR THE CITIZENS OF LAHABRA AND THE CITY COUNCIL, ALLOWING ME FOR 40 YEARS TO BE YOUR CITY ATTORNEY.
WE WILL NOW GO TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.
PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHEN ADDRESSING THE LA HABRA CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD BEFORE LEAVING THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.
GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH THE TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
UNLESS OTHERWISE, MODIFIED BY THE MAYOR OR CHAIR SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA.
PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING.
AGAIN, A REMINDER, THIS IS FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK AND MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE APPROACH THE DAIS, UH, THE PODIUM, AND, UH, PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND MAYOR FOR C CLARIFICATION, NOT ONLY CONSENT CALENDAR, BUT ANY OTHER, ANY OTHER ITEMS, CATEGORY ON THE AGENDA, INCLUDING PUBLIC HEARINGS.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO COME TO THE POLL ROOM? SEE NONE.
[ CONSENT CALENDAR: Senate Bill 1439 ("SB 1439") amended Government Code Section 84308 to expand the regulation of campaign contributions in excess of $250 from donors involved in certain matters before the legislative body. If the donor has a matter pending before the agency, and the official received a campaign contribution from the donor in excess of $250 in the prior 12 months, the official must publicly disclose the contribution and cannot in any way participate in the decision of the matter. The donor also has a duty to disclose the contribution on the record. In the 12 months following the decision, a local official cannot receive campaign contributions in excess of $250 from a donor with an economic interest in the governmental decision. Public officials are encouraged to closely track all campaign contributions which collectively exceed $250 in any 12-month period from any single source. All matters on Consent Calendar are considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion unless a Councilmember, City staff member, or member of the audience requests separate action or removal of an item. Removed items will be considered following the Consent Calendar portion of this agenda. Public comment shall be limited to three (3) minutes per individual, with a total time limit of 30 minutes per item that has been removed for separate discussion, unless otherwise modified by the Mayor. Speaking time may not be granted and/or loaned to another individual for purposes of extending available speaking time, and comments must be kept brief, non-repetitive, and professional in nature. ]
CONSENT CALENDAR.ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER, CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUEST SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED.
ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE MAYOR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOANED TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN
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NATURE.THE CONSENT CALENDAR INCLUDES CITY COUNCIL ITEMS ONE THROUGH NINE.
ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT, UH, YOU STAFF WOULD WISH REMOVED? NONE, MADAM MAYOR.
ANY ITEMS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD WISH REMOVED? YES, MADAM MAYOR, I LIKE ITEM SIX PULLED.
IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT THE AUDIENCE WOULD WISH REMOVED? EVENING.
MICHELLE BRE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SEVEN PULLED.
I WILL NOW CALL FOR ACTION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM SIX AND SEVEN THAT WERE REMOVED.
MAY I HAVE A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEMS NUMBER SIX AND EIGHT, YOUR HONOR.
SECOND SIX AND SEVEN, CORRECT.
COUNCIL MEMBER SERIAN SECONDED.
WILL THE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE? MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
[ CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION:]
START, WE'LL START WITH, UH, CONSIDERATION ITEM NUMBER SIX.WHAT, WHAT'S THE ITEM? JIM, YOU WANNA READ IT? YES.
UH, SO ITEM NUMBER SIX IS A, UH, RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO AMEND, UH, THE CURRENT AGREEMENT WITH SERVICES, UH, FOR SERVICES WITH THE, UH, JONES AND MAYOR LAW FIRM TO, BASICALLY WHAT IT DOES IS, UH, IT ASSIGNS A NEW CITY ATTORNEY TO THE CITY AND DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY WITH, UH, CITY ATTORNEY DICK JONES'S, UH, RETIREMENT ANNOUNCEMENT.
WELL, JIM, UH, UH, DICK, YOU CAN'T GO.
I, I WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO, I I PULLED THE ITEM INTENTIONALLY BECAUSE I, I WANNA TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR MANY, MANY YEARS OF SERVICE IN OUR COMMUNITY.
YOU HAVE DEEP ROOTS IN OUR COMMUNITY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY WHO DOES MORE FOR OUR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS HERE IN THE CITY.
UH, MORE PEOPLE, UH, UH, SO MANY ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED IN, NOT ONLY WITHIN LA HABRA, BUT I'M TALKING JUST A, A HUGE SPAN OF OTHER CITIES AND EVERY, EVERYWHERE YOU'RE A PERSON OF HIGH INTEGRITY, AND I'VE KNOWN YOU FAR LONG BEFORE, UH, YOU WERE THE CITY ATTORNEY.
YOU ACTUALLY WERE MY GRANDFATHER'S ATTORNEY MANY YEARS AGO, EVEN BEFORE YOU STARTED WITH, WITH THE CITY OF LAHABRA.
AND YOU'VE ALWAYS HAD A VERY SPECIAL PLACE IN THE, OUR, THE GOMEZ FAMILY AND ALL OF OUR HEARTS, AND I KNOW I SPEAK FOR, FOR THE COUNCILMEN.
I KNOW OTHER, OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE GONNA SAY SOMETHING, BUT DICK, UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE MISSED.
YOU HAVE HUGE SHOES TO FILL IN, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA BE BACK PERIODICALLY, UH, TO FILL IN FOR KEITH COLLINS, UH, WHEN HE'S GONE.
BUT I JUST, UH, AGAIN, WANT TO THANK YOU.
AND WHAT I'M GONNA DO IS, UH, IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS, I, I JUST GOTTA DIG IT OUTTA THE ARCHIVES POST, THE INTERVIEW THAT YOU AND I DID ABOUT 14, 15 YEARS AGO, RECAPS, UH, YOUR YEARS ON THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE MEMORY, UH, HIGHLIGHTS THAT YOU HAD.
YOU LEAVE A TREMENDOUS LEGACY.
YOU CAN LEAVE HERE IN RETIREMENT WITH YOUR HEAD HAUL, HEAD HELD HIGH BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS SERVED OUR COMMUNITY WELL.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THE COUNCIL THAT WOULD WISH TO SAY A FEW WORDS? YES.
UH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU, DICK, FOR YOUR, UH, YOUR GENEROSITY, YOUR FRIENDSHIP AND YOUR, UH, WORDS OF WISDOM THROUGHOUT THE, UH, COURSE OF TIME.
YOU, WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED, YOU WERE THE, UH, THE SECOND PHONE CALL I GOT, UH, FROM, UH, FROM CITY STAFF, THE FIRST BEING FROM JIM SADRO, AND YOU WERE THE SECOND PHONE CALL.
AND FROM THAT DAY ON, UH, NOT ONLY PROFESSIONAL, BUT UH, PERSONAL AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT A GREAT GENTLEMAN YOU ARE.
AND, UH, ONE OTHER THING I GUESS WE HAVE YOU TO THANK FOR KEEPING GOMEZ OUT OF, UH, JAIL BACK WHEN HE WAS A KID, HUH? BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN THE FAMILY ATTORNEY BACK THEN.
IS THAT WHAT IT IS?
THAT WAS JUST A JOKE FOR ANYBODY.
BUT, UH, ANYHOW, THANK YOU DICK.
AND JUST KNOW THAT THE, UH, THE, THE, THE APPLAUSE WAS NOT, UH, GLAD YOU'RE LEAVING.
WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU SINCERELY.
SO SPEND TIME WITH JUDY AND, UH, AND HEY, HAVE FUN.
LEMME JUST SAY VERY BRIEFLY THAT WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS, IS DONE SO MUCH FOR THE CITY AS A LAWYER, BECAUSE YOUR EXTREME COMPETENCE, YOUR INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE, AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE HAS BEEN INVALUABLE FOR THIS CITY AND FOR THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE.
MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT, YOU'RE ONE OF THE BEST PEOPLE I KNOW IN TERMS OF YOUR HEART AND YOUR LEVEL OF INTEGRITY AND YOUR GENEROSITY.
I MEAN, I SERVE WITH DICK ON THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, BOARD OF DIRECTORS AS WELL, AND I CAN JUST TESTIFY THAT THIS MAN HAS SO MUCH FEELING AND HEART FOR THIS ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND GIVE SO MUCH OF HIMSELF TO THIS COMMUNITY ABOVE AND BEYOND HIS PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE.
SO FOR ALL OF THAT, DICK, THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR FRIENDSHIP.
MAYOR, JUST WANTED TO SAY, UH, THANK YOU.
UM, WE DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO MEET EACH OTHER, UH, OR NOT MEET EACH OTHER, BUT SPEND A LOT OF TIME TOGETHER.
BUT IN THE TIME THAT WE DID SPEND TOGETHER, UH, I WANNA APPRE, I WANNA THANK YOU AND AND EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION FOR THE INTRODUCTION YOU GAVE TO ME TO THE CITY.
UM, WHAT WAS SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THAT IS NOT JUST YOU EXPLAINING YOUR ROLE
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AS THE ATTORNEY FOR THE CITY, BUT UM, SHARING WITH ME THE VALUE OF HAVING SOMEONE, AN ATTORNEY IN THE CITY WHO'S ACTUALLY DEEPLY INVESTED IN THE CITY.AND SO, UH, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
I ALWAYS BOASTED AND ALWAYS BRAGGED ABOUT THAT.
UH, WE'RE, OUR CITY IS UNIQUE IN THAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY MANAGER GREW UP IN THIS AREA.
YOU WENT TO WHITTIER COLLEGE, YOU KNOW, YOUR FATHER DELIVERED, UH, HE WAS A MILK, MILK MAN, MILKMAN AND DELIVERED.
AND WE'D TALK ABOUT THE LITTLE HOME DAIRY.
YOU AND GOMEZ CAN REMEMBER EVERYTHING FROM WAY BACK WHEN.
AND WE'D SIT BACK THERE IN THE COUNCIL CLOSED SESSION ROOM AND, UH, TALK ABOUT THE HISTORY OF LA HAR.
AND IT WAS ALWAYS THE STORIES THAT I ALWAYS LOOKED FORWARD TO HEARING OF THE OLD DAYS IN LA HAR AND THE ORANGE GROVES AND ALL, YOU KNOW, AND I ALWAYS TOLD EVERY OTHER CITY I GO, OUR, OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR CITY MANAGER HAVE MORE OF A VESTED INTEREST IN OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY GREW UP HERE.
THEY WANT THE BEST FOR OUR CITY.
AND THEY WILL ALWAYS BE THINKING ABOUT THAT, THE CARING ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY.
AND SO I WAS ALWAYS GRATEFUL TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY, THE CITY MANAGER.
SO, UH, WE STILL HAVE THE CITY MANAGER,
I KNOW YOU WILL ALWAYS BE HERE.
AND, UH, WE'RE JUST GRATEFUL FOR, UH, THE SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE PROVIDED.
AND, AND, UM, WE KNOW THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE FAR.
I'M HOPING THAT YOU'LL GET BORED OF, UH, RETIREMENT AND YOU'LL COME BACK AND YOU'LL BE AS INVOLVED AS YOU WERE, OR IF NOT, UH, AT LEAST INVOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITY.
SO THANK YOU IMMENSELY FOR YOUR SERVICE, UH, TO OUR COMMUNITY, AND, UM, WE WISH YOU WELL ON YOUR RETIREMENT.
A LITTLE QUICK STORY, AND THAT IS MY DAD DELIVERED MILK IN THE EL COMPO AREA, AND HE DID IT BEFORE THERE WAS PAVED ROADS.
IT WAS ALL DIRT ROADS IN THOSE DAYS.
SO IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THAT IS IN INCRED.
SEE, THAT'S A STORY THAT WE'D LOVE TO HEAR.
AND, AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY, WELL, MAYBE HE WAS BORN WITH A SILVER SPOON IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT NO, YOUR, YOUR FATHER BOUGHT ITS FIRST HOME ON A GI BILL, CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND WORKED VERY HARD IN PICO RIVERA WITH THAT, WITH, UH, UH, BITTERSWEET MOMENT THAT I, UH, WITH GREAT SADNESS, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE CITY APPROVE APOLOGY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.
MARY, YOU NEED TO CALL ON PUBLIC TESTIMONY.
I WOULD INVITE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC SHOULD THEY WISH TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS ITEM, TO PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
UH, AGAIN, UH, BITTERSWEET MOMENT WITH GREAT SADNESS.
I MAKE THE MOTION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR TO THE AGREEMENT FOR CITY ATTORNEY SERVICES WITH JONES AND MAYOR, UH, DESIGNATING KEITH COLLINS AS THE CITY ATTORNEY WITH BRITTANY ROBERTO AS THE ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ON SECOND.
WE WILL NOW GO TO ITEM SEVEN, WHICH IS TO RECEIVE AND FILE THE ANNUAL REPORT ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CITY OF LA HARBOR GENERAL PLAN FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR 2024.
DO YOU WISH A STAFF REPORT? YES, IF WE COULD HAVE A STAFF REPORT, PLEASE.
UM, COUNCIL MEMBER, DIRECTOR OF C MIC ON WORKING
SO, UM, CALIFORNIA STATE LAW REQUIRES THAT EVERY CITY AND COUNTY IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA PREPARE AND ADOPT A COMPREHENSIVE LONG-TERM VISION FOR THE CITY.
THAT'S CALLED THE GENERAL PLAN.
IT OUTLINES BASICALLY THE FUTURE PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF OUR CITY.
THE LAST TIME WE UPDATED IT, THE DOCUMENT COMPREHENSIVELY WAS BACK IN 2014, AND WE UPDATED THE LAND USE ELEMENT, THE, WHICH WE REFER TO AS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT ELEMENT, THE CIRCULATION, THE HOUSING, THE CONSERVATION, OPEN SPACE, NOISE, AND SAFETY.
AND THEN BACK AGAIN IN, UM, UH, TWO, LET'S SEE, I'M SORRY.
AND THEN, UH, BACK AGAIN IN 20, UM, 20, 22 SEPTEMBER, WE ADOPTED OUR HOUSING ELEMENT.
THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS ON A DIFFERENT CYCLE.
IT'S ADOPTED EVERY EIGHT YEARS.
AND THEN, UM, ANNUALLY WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REPORT TO BOTH THE OFFICE OF PLANNING AND RESEARCH FOR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, AS WELL AS THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA'S HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT.
HOW WE'RE DOING ON ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING OUR GENERAL PLAN.
SO YOU HAVE A LONG GENERAL DOCUMENT ATTACHED TO THIS STAFF REPORT THAT REALLY LAYS OUT EVERYTHING THAT'S IN OUR GENERAL PLAN AND
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HOW WE'RE DOING ON THOSE ITEMS. IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFIC IMPLEMENTATION MEASURES I CAN ADDRESS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE, BUT NOT, NOT ONE QUESTION.KIM, SINCE WE'RE HERE, UH, DIDN'T PLAN ON YOU BEING UP HERE, BUT SINCE YOU ARE, UH, WITH, UH, WITH THE GENERAL PLAN AND WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, THE COMMUNITY ZONING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, MORE AND MORE, UH, AS I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL NOW STARTING MY SEVENTH YEAR, UH, I'VE NOTICED THAT THE STATE, UH, CONTINUES TO, UH, WHAT I SAY IS INFRINGE ON OUR LOCAL CONTROL.
UH, BUT, UH, OUR, OUR CONTROL CONTINUES TO DWINDLE, SO TO SPEAK, WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN ISSUES, WHETHER IT BE ZONING AND, UH, OTHER, UH, MUNICIPAL CODE ISSUES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
AND THE HOUSING ELEMENT REALLY REFLECTS HOW THE CITY IS MOVING FORWARD WITH IMPLEMENTING THOSE THINGS FROM UNDER STATE LAW.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS, IF I MAY? MADAM MAYOR? SO, UH, SUSAN MIGHT BE A GOOD OPPORTUNE TIME TO MENTION ABOUT THE ARENA NUMBERS AND THE FACT THAT, UH, WHAT OUR ARENA ALLOCATION HAS BEEN FOR THIS CYCLE, UM, WHAT RENA IS, AND THEN HOW WELL WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS MEETING THOSE GOALS.
RENA STANDS FOR THE REGIONAL HOUSING NEEDS ASSESSMENT AND EVERY EIGHT YEARS AS PART OF THIS WHOLE PROCESS, THE SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA ASSOCIATION OF GOVERNMENTS ALLOCATES A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RENA UNITS TO EACH CITY, AND WE NEED TO PROVIDE FOR LOCATIONS WHERE THOSE UNITS COULD BE DEVELOPED.
THEY'RE PROVIDED ON A RANGE OF INCOME LEVELS.
AND FOR THE CITY OF LA HABER, WE RECEIVED AN ALLOCATION OF 804.
THERE ARE MANY OF OUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD NEIGHBORS THAT RECEIVED THOUSANDS OF UNITS.
WE RECEIVED SUCH A SMALL NUMBER, UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TRANSIT IN OUR CITY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF JOBS IN OUR CITY.
AND, UM, JUST BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF HOUSING THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW AND THE PACE THAT WE'RE AT, AS AND WITH A ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT, WE REPORT ON HOW WE'RE DOING AS FAR AS PERMITTING PROJECTS.
SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE HAVE TO RUN BY BY THE ESTATE IS HOW MANY SITES DO WE HAVE AND DO WE HAVE ENOUGH SITES TO ACCOMMODATE THESE UNITS? AND THEN THE SEC SECOND THING IS ANNUALLY WE REPORT ON HOW ARE WE DOING, YOU KNOW, OUR GOALS AND POLICIES THAT ARE IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT, HELPING CREATE THESE UNITS.
THE CITY IS NOT REQUIRED TO BUILD THESE UNITS AS OF, UM, THIS 2024, AND THESE ARE ISSUED PERMITS.
SO THESE AREN'T ENTITLEMENTS THAT ARE APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED THEIR BUILDING PERMITS OR UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
WE HAVE, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE 270 UNITS THAT HAVE BEEN PERMITTED.
AND OF THOSE 129 OF THEM FALL WITHIN OUR LOW INCOME UNIT, LOW INCOME AMOUNT.
AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE ABLE TO COUNT THE ACCESSORY DWELLING UNITS THAT ARE CREATED WITHIN OUR CITY, FOR THE MOST PART AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR THE LOWER INCOME BRACKET.
SO WE'RE DOING REALLY WELL IN, UM, THAT AREA.
AS FAR AS VERY LOW INCOME, WE'VE PRODUCED FIVE UNITS, UH, MODERATE INCOME.
WE PRODUCE 12 UNITS AND ABOVE MODERATE INCOME, WHICH IS BASICALLY ANYTHING THAT'S JUST OUT ON THE GENERAL MARKET.
NOW, I KNOW YOU, YOU'RE AWARE THAT WE'VE GOT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE.
THEY JUST HAVEN'T RECEIVED THEIR BUILDING PERMITS YET.
SO WE HAVE A COUPLE PROJECTS ON WHITTIER THAT ARE ABOUT 40 UNITS.
THOSE ARE IN THE, IN THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.
WE KNOW ABOUT THE WESTRIDGE PROJECT THAT'S UNDER REVIEW AND IS GOING THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS.
SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE QUEUING UP, BUT THESE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED, SO BUILDING PERMITS TO BE BUILT.
I DO HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION THEN TO BUILD ON WHAT JOSE WAS TALKING ABOUT.
ISN'T IT TRUE THOUGH, COMPARED TO THE WAY IT WAS SOME YEARS BACK AND THE WAY IT IS NOW, OUR ABILITY TO CONTROL PARKING, SETBACKS, DENSITY, ALL THESE THINGS NOW IS INCREASINGLY BEING TAKEN OUT OF OUR HANDS AND GIVEN TO, INTO THE HANDS OF SACRAMENTO? IS THAT, IS THAT A FAIRLY FAIR STATEMENT? I THINK I'D RATHER HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY OPINE ON THAT THAN MYSELF AS THE DIRECTOR, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF OPINION VERSUS BRI, BRITTANY CAN RESPOND.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
I WOULD SAY YES, THAT THE STATE IS TAKING A LOT OF THAT OUT OF YOUR HANDS, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF PROJECT IT IS.
YOU'LL HAVE A PROJECT TONIGHT THAT YOU'LL HEAR IN A FEW MINUTES ABOUT THAT'S DENSITY BONUS.
AND UNDER DENSITY BONUS LAW, YOU'RE EXTREMELY LIMITED IN WHAT YOU CAN IMPOSE ON THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THEY HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY IN THE STANDARDS FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
THE PHILOSOPHICALLY SACRAMENTO IS CERTAINLY TAKEN STEPS LEGISLATIVELY TO TAKE MORE AND MORE POWER AWAY FROM LOCAL CONTROL AND LOCAL DECISION MAKING AND SEND IT BACK TO THE STATE FOR STATEWIDE CONSIDERATION.
AND, AND, AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE IS A TWO-EDGED SWORD.
SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MEET OUR ARENA OBLIGATION FOR LOW INCOME HOUSING, LARGELY DUE TO PERMITTING A DU, UH, PROJECTS IN THE, MAINLY IN THE BACK OF HOMES IN IN TOWN.
WELL, THAT'S A REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE.
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STANDARDS AND BASICALLY MANDATED THAT CITIES HAVE TO ALLOW A DU CONSTRUCTION IN RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.AND THE ANCILLARY PROBLEMS THAT HAS CAUSED IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, LA HARES INCLUDED IN THAT, IS NOW THERE'S INSUFFICIENT PARKING AT A RESIDENTIAL UNIT THAT HAS A BRAND NEW LIVING UNIT IN THE BACKYARD, FOR INSTANCE, RIGHT? OR A CONVERTED GARAGE.
UM, SO IT PUTS MORE PRESSURE ON PARKING ON CITY STREETS.
THAT CREATES A DIFFERENT DYNAMIC, BUT THERE'S NO ABILITY FOR THE CITY TO NOT PERMIT THOSE ADUS FROM BEING BUILT.
WE CAN CREATE CERTAIN STANDARDS AND WE CAN CREATE CERTAIN PERMITTING PROCESSES, BUT WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, TO SAY NO.
NOW, ON THE FLIP SIDE, THAT HAS CREATED MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE COMMUNITY FOR VERY LOW INCOME HOUSING CATEGORY THAT FAMILIES CAN BENEFIT FROM FOR CHILDREN GROWING UP, FOR INSTANCE, NEEDING A PLACE TO LIVE ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY OR, UM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS A, UH, ELDERLY RELATIVE THAT WANTS TO STAY ON THEIR PROPERTY WITH THEM.
UM, BUT IN SOME CASES THEY'RE RENTED OUT, THEY'RE RENTAL INCOME PROPERTIES.
AND SO WE DEAL WITH THE, THE AFTER EFFECT OF THAT.
UH, WE GET CALLS EVERY DAY FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT BEING UPSET ABOUT TOO MUCH TRAFFIC ON THE STREETS, PARKING OVERNIGHT, OR TRAFFIC, UH, YOU KNOW, PATTERNS IN, IN NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND IT'S LARGELY BECAUSE WE'RE ALLOWING MORE UNITS BEING BUILT IN A GIVEN NEIGHBORHOOD THAN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR.
AND THERE'S REALLY NO WAY AROUND THAT ANYMORE.
AND IT'S A, IT IS A CONSTANT CHALLENGE FOR US, AND WE TRY TO REGULATE IT THE BEST WE CAN.
THANK YOU BRITTANY, AND THANK YOU SUSAN.
AND, OH, I JUST, I JUST, AND THE GOVERNOR, THE GOVERNOR HAS MANDATED THAT THIS, UM, THIS HOUSING HAS TO BE BUILT BY 2029, IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.
THE CURRENT HOUSING CYCLE, OR WE'RE IN, IS 2021 THROUGH 2029.
AGAIN, THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE TO BUILD THE HOUSING, WE JUST HAVE TO PROVIDE THE ZONING FOR IT.
HOWEVER, BASED ON THE ANNUAL REVIEW, THERE'S CERTAIN PENALTIES.
IF CITIES AREN'T MEETING THOSE GOALS, WHAT KIND OF PENALTIES THEY, WELL, IT'S, IT'S NOT FINANCIAL PENALTIES, SO I THINK I MIGHT HAVE USED THE WRONG WORD, BUT YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DO ADDITIONAL STREAMLINING BASED ON HOW MUCH AFFORDABLE UNITS YOU'VE CREATED, YOU'VE PRODUCED, AND HOW MANY TOTAL UNITS YOU'VE PRODUCED TOWARDS ARENA AS OF THE LAST CYCLE.
WE STILL WERE NOT SUBJECT TO EITHER OF THOSE STREAMLINING PROVISIONS.
WE'LL SEE AFTER THE REVIEW OF THIS ONE, WHETHER WE ARE, UM, SUBJECT TO ANY OF THEM.
BUT THOSE STREAMLINING PROVISIONS, THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC TO THE ANNUAL PROGRESS REPORT.
THERE ARE OTHER STREAMLINING PROVISIONS LIKE THE DENSITY BONUS THAT YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT TONIGHT THAT ARE JUST ANOTHER SECTION OF STATE LAW THAT SEPARATE FROM THE ANNUAL REVIEW.
AND TO PUT THINGS IN PERSPECTIVE IN THE LAST CYCLE, OUR ARENA NUMBER FOR LA HABRA WAS, I WANT TO SAY LESS THAN 20, CORRECT? OR LESS THAN 30 UNITS.
SO IN OTHER WORDS, A CITY AT THE, AT THAT TIME, AND THIS WAS MAYBE EIGHT OR NINE YEARS AGO, HAD TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT ZONING FOR 20 OR 25 UNITS TO BE BUILT SOMEWHERE IN TOWN WAS NOT A PROBLEM FOR THE CITY, RIGHT? THAT NUMBER JUMPED FROM 20 OR 25 TO 804.
AT THE SAME TIME, I'M AWARE OF CITIES AROUND US THAT HAD ARENA NUMBER OF IN THE HUNDREDS GOING TO INTO THE THOUSANDS IN, IN CASE IN ONE CASE OF A CITY IN ORANGE COUNTY, IT WENT UP TO OVER 10,000 UNITS THAT THEY HAD TO PROVIDE ZONING FOR IN THEIR COMMUNITY FOR NEW UNITS.
IT DIDN'T MEAN THAT THE CITY ITSELF HAD TO BUILD THOSE UNITS, BUT THEY HAD TO FIND ZONING TO ALLOW SOMEBODY WHO MIGHT BE INTERESTED, A DEVELOPER, A PROPERTY OWNER OR WHOMEVER TO BE ABLE TO HAVE ZONING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THOSE UNITS.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR ARENA NUMBER WILL BE FOR THE NEXT CYCLE.
YOU KNOW, IF IT FOLLOWS THIS LAST PATTERN, IT COULD GO FROM 804 TO SOMETHING EVEN HIGHER.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE STATE'S GONNA END UP WITH THAT.
I, I MEAN, AND, UH, MAYOR, YOU, I KNOW YOU'RE HEAVILY INVOLVED WITH SCAG, THAT'S A MAJOR TOPIC OF CONVERSATION AMONGST ELECTED OFFICIALS IN SCAG.
THAT'S THE GREAT UNKNOWN, UM, OF WHERE, WHAT THE STATE WILL REQUIRE OF US NEXT TIME AROUND.
BUT FOR NOW, WE'RE MAKING GOOD PROGRESS TOWARDS THE UNITS, THE STATE'S ALLOCATED TO THE CITY AS FAR AS AT LEAST PERMITTING THOSE UNITS TO BE BUILT.
UM, BETTING ON A PROPERTY OWNER OR A DEVELOPER COMING TO THE CITY.
AS THE HOUSING ELEMENT GOES THROUGH THE, UM, INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, IT'S A LOT OF ANGST FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEING, UH, CONSIDERATION OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF USES THEY MAY NECESSARILY HAVE IN PLACE AT THE CURRENT TIME.
ALSO, A LOT OF ANGST FOR NEIGHBORS AS THEY LOOK AT THE POTENTIAL FOR INCREASED DENSITY AND DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSING OR WHATEVER.
UH, BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY DOES NOT EXIST WITHIN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THAT'S PART OF THE REALITY OF THIS CHANGING TIME.
AND DURING THIS HOUSING CYCLE, WE WERE FORTUNATE IN THAT WE ALREADY HAD ENOUGH PROPERTIES WHEN THE, WITHIN THE CITY THAT WERE DESIGNATED BY THE GENERAL PLAN AND BY ZONING TO MEET OUR ARENA OBLIGATION, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO AND REZONE ANY PROPERTIES AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY JONES IS SPEAKING ABOUT.
UM, AND YOU'LL SEE EVEN IN THE REPORTS THAT WE WROTE THAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE EACH NIGHT, BOTH OF THOSE SITES ARE NOT DESIGNATED BY, UH, THE CITY TO MEET OUR ARENA ALLOCATION.
SO THEY'RE ADDITIONAL UNITS THAT ARE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THE SITES THAT WE HAVE.
THEY ALMOST END UP BEING, UM, LIKE A BANK OF UNITS IN CASE ONE OF OUR SITES THAT WAS DESIGNATED TO MEET OUR ARENA DOESN'T GET
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CONSTRUCTED WITH UNITS OR ENOUGH UNITS THAT, UH, THAT WE PROPOSED.THEY STILL, THE TWO SITES THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE TONIGHT BOTH HAVE OUR GENERAL PLAN DESIGNATED AND ZONE FOR HOUSING.
SO THEY'RE CONSISTENT WITH OUR GENERAL PLAN.
THEY JUST WEREN'T SPECIFIC SITES THAT WE IDENTIFIED TO MEET THAT ARENA ALLEGATION.
I WILL NOW INVITE THE PUBLIC TO TESTIFY.
UH, PLEASE, UH, PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MICHELLE BARNIER, 2 4 1 WEST PAT WOOD.
SO THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HEAR.
WHETHER THESE ARENA, UH, NUMBERS WE'RE GONNA ADD TO OUR ARENA, THESE TWO PROJECTS TONIGHT, WE'RE GONNA ADD TO OUR ARENA NUMBERS.
SO WHAT I'M HEARING IS NO, THAT IT'S EXTRA THAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE BUILDING, RIGHT? AND UH, TWO, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING AS A PLANNING COMMISSIONER THAT JUST CAME OFF THE COMMISSION OF THE LAST FIVE YEAR, EIGHT YEARS, WE PRETTY MUCH MET ARENA NUMBERS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO.
SO THESE TWO PROJECTS I'M INTERESTED IN, AND I WANNA HEAR MORE ABOUT THE WESTRIDGE PROJECT THAT SAYS HERE THAT IT WAS DEEMED COMPLETE JANUARY, 2024.
CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THAT? IT'S NOT AGENDA, IT'S, IT'S NOT AGENDIZED, SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE DISCUSSING THAT.
IT'S NOT AGENDIZED, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DISCUSSING THAT.
IF THE CITY MANAGER WOULD LIKE TO, I, I CAN ANSWER THE, UM, QUESTION ABOUT THE WESTRIDGE PROJECT.
THE PROJECT APPLICATION WAS DEEMED COMPLETE.
THE PROJECT IS NOW BEING REVIEWED, SO NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE APPLICATION WAS DEEMED COMPLETE AS SUBMITTED TO THE CITY.
AND OUR STAFF ARE REVIEWING THAT NOW.
THE ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS, EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT PROJECT AS RESPECT WITH THE RENA QUESTION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP, THE UNITS, THESE TWO PROPERTIES, AND THIS IS REALLY KIND OF, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THESE PROJECTS BEFORE THE HEARINGS ARE COMING UP, BUT SINCE THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, THE TWO PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED FOR TONIGHT FOR HOUSING, EVEN THOUGH THOSE UNITS, THOSE PROPERTIES WERE NOT IN THE, UH, CITY'S DESIGNATED AREAS THAT WE ANTICIPATED HOUSING TO BE BUILT, ANY UNITS THAT ULTIMATELY GET BUILT ON THOSE SITES AND PERMITTED WILL ABSOLUTELY COUNT TOWARDS ARENA NUMBERS JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE PROPERTIES.
WE IDENTIFIED THE UNITS AS PERMITTED AND CONSTRUCTION ABSOLUTELY COUNT TOWARDS ARENA NUMBERS.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S A CLARIFICATION ON THAT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? SEE NONE? UH, MAY I HAVE, UH, THE, I'LL CALL FOR THE COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND OR ACTION? UH, MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO, UH, MAKE A, UH, MOTION, UH, THAT THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVE AND FILE THE ANNUAL REPORT ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA GENERAL PLAN FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2024 AND AUTHORIZE THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO FORWARD THE DOCUMENT TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF PLANNING AND RESEARCH AND THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 6 5 4 0 0.
WOULD THE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE? MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
[1. A DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT (PUD2M24-0002) TO CONSTRUCT 22 DWELLING UNITS (TOWNHOMES) AT 300 SOUTH WALNUT STREET (ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NUMBER 298-066-16) That the City Council introduce the first reading of ORDINANCE NO. 2025-__ ENTITLED: AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT (PUD2M24-0002) TO CONSTRUCT A 22-UNIT RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX (TOWNHOMES) (INCLUDING FOUR UNITS FOR SALE TO MODERATE-INCOME HOUSEHOLDS) AT 300 SOUTH WALNUT STREET (ASSESSOR’S PARCEL NUMBER 298-066-16), AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD2M24-0002) IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT (CEQA) PURSUANT TO SECTION 15332, CLASS 32: “INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS” OF THE CEQA GUIDELINES.]
TO PUBLIC HEARINGS.THE UM, NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS PUBLIC HEARINGS.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE MAYOR OR CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
ITEM NUMBER ONE IS TITLED A DULY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT PUD TWO M 24 DASH 0 0 2 TO CONSTRUCT 22 DWELLING UNITS, TOWN HOMES AT 3 0 0 SOUTH WALNUT STREET, ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NUMBER 2 98 DASH 0 6 6 DASH 16.
THANK YOU OUR, HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE WITH REGARDS TO THIS ITEM? UH, NO PUBLIC CO CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED.
AND WE'LL PROCEED WITH A STAFF REPORT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR ASHLEY TH SENIOR PLANNER.
THIS SITE CONSISTS OF A 1.36 ACRE PARCEL THAT WAS DESIGNATED FOR MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT DURING THE 1993 GENERAL PLAN UPDATE.
HOWEVER IT CON IT CURRENTLY FEATURES A GRANDFATHERED NON-CONFORMING INDUSTRIAL BUILDING THAT WAS LAST OCCUPIED BY KILLIAN FIRE SPRINKLER CORPORATION IN 2021.
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SURROUNDED BY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON ALL SIDES.THE APPLICANT HAS PROPOSED TO DEMOLISH THE EXISTING BUILDING AND CONSTRUCT A TOWN HOME COMPLEX CONSISTING OF 22, 2 AND THREE BEDROOM FOR SALE UNITS.
THE SITE PLAN CONSISTS OF SIX BUILDINGS OF THREE AND FOUR UNITS EACH WITH ACCESS TO AND FROM WALNUT STREET TO THE WEST.
THE APPLICANT HAS OPTED TO UTILIZE A 10% STATE DENSITY BONUS AND ALLOCATE FOUR OF THE UNITS TO BE SOLD TO MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS PER THE DENSITY BONUS LAW.
TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS ARE SUBJECT TO ONE AND A HALF PARKING SPACES FOR RESIDENCE AND NO REQUIREMENT FOR A GARAGE OR GUEST PARKING.
THE APPLICANT WILL, HOWEVER, PROVIDE TWO ATTACHED GARAGE SPACES PER UNIT.
ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE THREE DEDICATED GUEST PARKING SPACES ALONG WITH AN A DA ACCESSIBLE GUEST SPACE AT THE CENTER OF THE SITE BY THE PICNIC AREA.
AS SHOWN HERE, THE COMPLEX INCLUDES COMMON OPEN SPACE AREAS THAT ARE SHOWN IN PINK AND PRIVATE PATIOS IN FRONT OF EACH UNIT SHOWN IN GREEN.
THE COMMON AREAS INCLUDE A SHADE STRUCTURE, BARBECUE GRILLS, AND COMMUNITY SEATING ARRANGEMENTS.
I THE LANDSCAPING AROUND THE SITE FEATURES A VARIETY OF TREES AND SHRUBS THAT ARE WELL SUITED FOR THE LOCAL CLIMATE.
THE EXISTING SEVEN FOOT TALL CMU WALL ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY OF THE PROPERTY WILL REMAIN AS IS.
HOWEVER, THE SIX FOOT TALL FENCES ALONG THE NORTHERN AND SOUTHERN BOUNDARIES, UH, WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH SIX FOOT TALL CMU WALLS.
AS PART OF THIS CONSTRUCTION, THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE FEATURES SPANISH MEDITERRANEAN INFLUENCED DESIGNS WITH TAN EXTERIORS, CLAY S TILE ROOFING, AND WROUGHT IRON ACCENTS FOR AESTHETIC VARIETY BUILDINGS.
ONE, THREE AND FIVE WILL BE FINISHED IN SHERWIN-WILLIAMS WHITE SNOW STUCCO.
MEANWHILE, BUILDINGS TWO, FOUR AND SIX WILL BE FINISHED IN A SLIGHTLY DARKER ALPACA COLOR.
THE PROPOSED 22 UNIT TOWNHOME PROJECT WILL REDEVELOP THIS SITE WITH A MULTI-UNIT RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX AS ENVISIONED BY THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING DESIGNATION, WHILE ALSO INCLUDING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMPONENT.
THIS DEVELOPMENT EXCEEDS THE MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SIDES AND THE REAR OF THE LOT BY FIVE FEET AND PROPOSES A TWO STORY DESIGN WHERE THREE STORIES ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THIS PROJECT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
UM, DO ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF? YES, MA'AM.
MAYOR, UH, IF YOU CAN JUST ADD CLARITY ON WHAT DO YOU REFER TO AS ONE AND A HALF PARKING SPACES? THAT'S ONE OF MY QUESTIONS ACTUALLY.
SO, UH, ACCORDING TO THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW, UM, THERE ARE SEPARATE MODIFIED, WELL NOT MODIFIED, UM, SEPARATE PARKING REQUIREMENTS WHERE TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS ARE SUBJECT TO JUST ONE AND A HALF SPACES.
THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO BE GARAGED, UM, THEY JUST NEED TO BE ON THE SITE.
MEANWHILE, THE CITY'S PARKING REGULATIONS REQUIRE, I BELIEVE, TWO DESIGNATED GARAGE SPACES PLUS ANOTHER HALF SPACE TO BE SHARED, I GUESS WITH ANOTHER UNIT SOMEWHERE ON THE SITE.
AND EXCUSE MY INTERRUPTION, I JUST WANNA KNOW WHAT IS A HALF SPACE? IS THAT A MOTORCYCLE OR IS THAT NO, A A HALF SPACE.
UM, IT REALLY, TECHNICALLY IT ROUNDS UP.
SO IF THERE ARE TWO UNITS THERE, THOSE TWO UNITS SHARE AN EXTERNAL SPACE THAT'S NOT GARAGED, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND, AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, UM, CAN YOU ADD MORE INSIGHT TO THE TWO WALLS THAT ARE GONNA BE BUILT, THE CMU WALLS? CAN YOU ADD MORE INSIGHT AS TO WHAT THEIR PURPOSE IS? YES.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A QUESTION THAT YOU WOULD ANSWER OR THE DEVELOPER TO ANSWER, BUT, UM, I'LL, I'LL LET THE DEVELOPER, UM, CHIME IN.
BUT JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CURRENTLY THEY ARE TWO, UM, CHAIN LINK FENCES THAT HAVE REALLY DETERIORATED BEYOND REPAIR AND TO PROVIDE PRIVACY AND SECURITY.
UM, THE DEVELOPER IS GONNA GO AHEAD AND REMOVE THOSE FENCES AND THEN RECONSTRUCT CMU WALLS THAT MATCH WHAT'S CURRENTLY AT THE REAR OF THE SITE, TO BE CLEAR.
A BLOCK WALL, SORRY, YES, A BLOCK WALL.
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WILL THAT WALL HAVE A ANTI GRAFFITI TARD ON IT? UM, WE, I'LL I'LL LET THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT WE WOULD POSSIBLY LOOK INTO VINES IN SOME SORT OF LANDSCAPING TO DETER THAT, UM, OFF THE BAT.BUT I WILL LET THE, THE APPLICANT ANSWER THAT IN FRONT OF DETAIL.
AND IS IT CORRECT THAT THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY INTO ONE EIGHT WAY OUTTA THAT PROJECT? THAT'S CORRECT.
IT'S, UH, THERE'S ONE, A SINGLE AXIS ALONG WALNUT STREET.
SO BACK LONG, LONG BEFORE I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL UP TO THE NORTH, THERE'S A PROPERTY THERE.
THE CITY OPENED UP THAT WAS ACTUALLY GONNA BE SECOND STREET, AND THE CITY WENT AHEAD AND DEEDED THAT PROPERTY OVER, UH, TO THE HOMEOWNER THERE BECAUSE THEY DECIDED THERE WAS NOT GONNA BE ANY, UM, FURTHER DEVELOPMENT THERE.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? AND THAT, WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY IN THE PLAN TO BE SECOND STREET THERE.
I WILL LET MY DIRECTOR CHIME IN ON THAT ONE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I THINK THAT'S A QUESTION BETTER ANSWERED BY EITHER OUR CITY ENGINEER OR OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR.
ARE THEY HERE? ARE THEY HERE? THEY'RE, THEY'RE HERE.
I WASN'T HERE WHEN THAT HAPPENED.
AND SO I DO NOT, I WASN'T, I WAS IN THE HERE, I WASN'T HERE EITHER, IT WAS LONG BEFORE I WAS THERE, BUT, BUT HERE.
BUT, UH, I REMEMBER THAT, UH, THAT, THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE, THEY, THEY DEEDED THAT PROPERTY OVER A PORTION OF THAT OVER TO THE HOMEOWNER.
NORMALLY WHEN A CITY OR PUBLIC AGENCY DOES NOT NEED THE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD VACATE IT TO THE NEAREST OWNER OF THE PROPERTY.
SAY THERE'S AN ALLEY THAT ONLY PRIVATE P ONLY, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS ARE USING IT, WE DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE.
WE VACATE IT BECAUSE IT'S A COST TO THE PROPERTY TO THE CITY TO MAINTAIN IT IF IT'S ONLY USED BY A CERTAIN PERSON OR A CERTAIN USE.
SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN AT THE TIME THERE WAS NO NEED FOR THE EXTENSION OF SECOND STREET, THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN IDEAL FOR BOTH THOSE PROPERTIES TO BE USED AS A SECOND EXIT FOR THIS PROJECT.
HOW LONG AGO WAS, WHO KNOWS WHAT IT WAS? IT WAS 30 OVER 30 SOME YEARS AGO.
SO AT THE TIME PROBABLY IT WAS NOT DEEDED FOR RESIDENTIAL, THAT SAME PROPERTY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
SO THERE WAS NO NEED FOR AN ENTRY OR AN EXIT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, UH, FROM THIS COUNCIL TO THE STAFF? OKAY, I DO.
JUST ONE QUICK ONE TO GET, UH, BACK UP HERE.
OH, DID MY WIRE COME? OH, MY WIRE STILL WORKING.
DOES EVERY ELEMENT OF THIS APPLICATION, UH, COMPLIANT WITH R THREE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE? YES, IT IS.
THEY MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS, THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS, UM, LOT COVERAGE, EVERYTHING, UM, ASIDE FROM WHAT THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW IS TAKEN CARE OF, WHICH IS JUST THE PARKING.
AND THE APPLICANT IS TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW ON THIS? CORRECT.
LEMME JUST CLARIFY THAT ALSO THE WIDTH OF A FEW OF THE BELT, UM, PATIOS THAT ARE IN THE, ON THE PROJECT, SO IT'S PATIOS ARE BEING REDUCED IN SOME MANNER, BUT WE'RE MEETING, WE'RE, THE PROJECT IS FAR EXCEEDING OUR OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
IT'S JUST THE PATIOS ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW THAN USUAL AS WELL AS THEY'RE COMPLYING WITH THE STATE DENSITY BONUS, UM, PARKING STANDARDS.
IN FACT, THEY'RE PROVIDING 15 MORE SPACES THAN ARE REQUIRED UNDER STATE LAW.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS OR THE APPLICANT DOES, BUT THIS, UH, APPLICATION WHEN INITIALLY MADE WAS FOR A THREE STORY STRUCTURE AND THEN THEY REDUCED IT VOLUNTARILY, I SUPPOSE, TO TWO STORIES.
IS THAT TRUE? UM, PRIOR TO THE FORMAL SUBMITTAL, UH, WHEN THEY DID A PRELIMINARY REVIEW, THEY HAD PROPOSED THREE STORIES AT THE REAR OF THE SITE, UM, ALONG THE EASTERN BOUNDARY.
BUT THEN WHEN THEY DID THEIR FORMAL SUBMITTAL, IT WAS JUST DOWN THE TWO STORIES.
I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND I I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN ANSWER IT, BUT I I MAYBE OUR CITY MANAGER CAN ANSWER IT.
THE, UH, THE ZONING FOR THIS AREA IS R THREE.
AND HOW LONG HAS THAT ZONING BEEN IN EFFECT SINCE 1993 WHEN THE GENERAL PLAN CHANGED? THE ZONING WOULD'VE BEEN CHANGED AT THE SAME TIME.
SO OVER 31 YEARS AGO, CORRECT? CORRECT.
BEFORE THAT IT WAS INDUSTRIAL.
ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE WILL NOW HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT SHOULD THEY WISH TO ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL, UH, FOLLOWED BY ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PO PROJECT.
GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR ESPINOZA.
I'M A PARTNER WITH BENANI DEVELOPMENT.
UM, JUST LIKE TO SAY WE'RE EXCITED TO BE BACK IN THE CITY, UM, A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO.
WE JUST BUILT RIGHT DOWN THE STREET VEARA, WHICH WE THINK IS A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT, UM, WORKED WELL WITH THE CITY THROUGHOUT THAT PROJECT.
AND WE FEEL THE SAME ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
WE THINK THIS IS A GREAT PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF LA HABA.
WE'RE EXCITED TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT AND, UH, WE'RE HOPING FOR APPROVAL.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
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HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.IS MR. MR. ESMAN TASMAN? SEMAN SEMAN? YEAH, MY APOLOGIES.
UM, WHAT, UH, WHAT WILL EACH UNIT BE, UH, BE AT MARKET RATE? UH, HOW MUCH WILL IT BE BEING SOLD FOR? AT THIS POINT, WE DON'T KNOW 'CAUSE THE MARKET'S FLUCTUATING SO MUCH, WHICH INTEREST FOR HIGH INTEREST RATES, LOW INTEREST RATES.
JUST BY THE TIME WE BUILD THIS, WE'RE PROBABLY A YEAR AND A HALF OUT, TWO YEARS OUT BEFORE WE START SELLING UNITS.
UM, I WOULD SAY SOMEWHERE, IF I GAVE YOU A BALLPARK RANGE SOMEWHERE, PROBABLY IN LIKE THE 700,000 TO 800,000 RANGE, SOMEWHERE IN THERE.
AND THE, UH, THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, I GUESS THERE'S FOUR OF THEM.
HOW MUCH WILL THOSE BE GOING FOR? MORE OR LESS? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE FROM THE CITY STAFF.
'CAUSE THEY SET THOSE PRICES BASED ON AN ALGORITHM THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO GO BY.
UH, AND, UH, SO WELL ACTUALLY MIRANDA, IF YOU WANT TO ANSWER THAT, BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH.
UM, AGAIN, AS CHRIS SAID, A LOT OF IT IS GOING TO DEPEND ON SOME FACTORS.
WHEN THEY ACTUALLY ARE READY TO SELL THE UNITS, WE WILL BE WORKING ON A CALCULATION THAT WILL BE ATTACHED TO HIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AGREEMENT.
I JUST NEED TO GET SOME NUMBERS FROM HIM AND IT'S TOO EARLY TO DO THAT FOR US TO DO THE CALCULATION.
BUT FOR EXAMPLE, THE, UH, PROJECT THAT, UM, WE HAVE GOING ON IMPERIAL, THOSE AFFORDABLE UNITS RIGHT NOW ARE BEING LISTED FOR 400 AND BEING 60 436,000.
SO IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE POTENTIALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT, BUT IT'S BASED ON THE INCOMES AND HOUSING CALCULATIONS AND WE'RE JUST NOT THERE YET.
AND, UH, UH, A FEW MORE QUESTIONS IF I MAY.
SO I NOTICED ALONG THE, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THE SETBACKS IN THIS AREA, UH, THE, UM, I'M GOING ON THE ASSUMPTION HERE BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY ZONED IN R THREE AND IT HAS BEEN FOR 31 YEARS, ESSENTIALLY BY VIRTUE OF, UH, OF THE STATE ZONING LAWS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
CITY COUNCIL LEARNING, CITY COUNCIL REALLY HAS NOT MUCH SAY, AND OF COURSE YOU AS A DEVELOPER ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF AND, AND RIGHTFULLY SO OF YOUR, UH, YOUR DENSITY BONUSES, UH, WHICH ALLOWED YOU TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.
UH, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY MEET CITY STANDARDS, BUT YOU CAN MEET THE STATE STANDARD, WHICH IS FINE IN LIGHT OF THAT, UM, ALONG THE, UH, THE NORTH END, UH, AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A SIX FOOT BLOCK WALL, I, AND I KNOW IT'S NOT ADDRESSED HERE AS FAR AS SIGHT LINES, BUT MY CONCERN FOR RESIDENTS ALONG THE NORTH SIDE REGARDLESS, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF COVER.
AND I WOULD ASK, UH, BECAUSE I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA MAKE TWO ASKS HERE OF YOU GUYS, AND OF COURSE YOU CAN SAY NO AND I THAT IS WHAT IT IS.
UH, FOR SOME SHRUBBERY OF SOME SORT TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND THE SIX FEET JUST TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THOSE RESIDENTS TO THE NORTH OF THAT.
AND I THINK IT'S ONLY TWO HOMES, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, AND, AND WHERE APPLICABLE TO THE SOUTH, I SEE THE SHRUBS THERE.
MY OTHER ASK IS THIS, AS A GOOD STEWARD OF THE COMMUNITY OF ABRA, WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL TWO AFFORDABLE UNITS, UH, FOR THIS, UH, FOR THIS PROJECT? UH, TO ANSWER YOUR FIRST QUESTION, THE THE PROPERTY ACTUALLY ACTUALLY SITS BELOW THE BACK, THE, THE EAST SIDE AND NORTH SIDE.
SO IT SITS LOWER THAN THOSE PROPERTIES.
SO THE SIX FOOT BLOCK WALL WILL ACTUALLY BE LITTLE HIGHER ON OUR SIDE THAN THEIR SIDE.
WE WILL BE ADDING VINES AND SHRUBS ON THAT SIDE TO, UH, TO BEAUTIFY THE, THE PROPERTY.
UM, I DON'T SEE THAT BEING AN ISSUE.
THERE IS ALREADY AN EXISTING BLOCK WALL HALF HALFWAY DOWN THAT NORTH SIDE.
IT'S ACTUALLY A RETAINING WALL.
SO WE'RE ACTUALLY REPLACING THAT FOR, UH, FOR THE HOMEOWNER'S ACT THAT WAS OUT THERE YESTERDAY.
SO, AND THEN REGARDING, REGARDING AFFORDABLE UNIT, UM, WE WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO GO THAT DIRECTION.
UM, WE'RE ALREADY PROVIDING FOUR, FOUR WHEEL UNITS ON A 22 UNIT PROJECT.
UM, WE JUST, WE COULDN'T MAKE THIS PROJECT WORK IF WE WENT TWO MORE UNITS.
YEAH, JUST BEING TOTALLY HONEST, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
NOW THESE ARE, THESE ARE, UH, ATTACHED GARAGES, CORRECT? CORRECT.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE FROM HAVING A, A GARAGE VERSUS CARPORTS THERE NOW WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE CONVERTING THESE OVER, UM, IF THEY'RE JUST GARAGES INTO LIVING SPACES.
IF THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THAT AND THEY WILL NOT USE IT OR THEY'LL USE IT JUST FOR STORAGE AND THEREFORE IT IMPACTS THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES OF THAT.
UH, WOULD YOU CONSIDER MAKING CARPORTS THERE INSTEAD OF, UH, ATTACHED GARAGES? UH, NO.
UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE BUYING, UM, TOWN HOMES, THEY PREFER THE SIDE-BY-SIDE GARAGES 'CAUSE IT LEADS RIGHT INTO THEIR RESIDENCE.
UM, AND ACTUALLY THE GARAGES ARE MAINTAINED AND MAIN MAINTAINED BY THE, UM,
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CCNRS, UM, AND THE HOA THAT WILL BE OVERLOOKING THIS PROPERTY.SO IT'S WITHIN THE CC ANDRS THAT THE GARAGES AREN'T ALLOWED FOR STORAGE.
THEY'RE ONLY ALLOWED FOR PARKING OF CARS WHO WILL BE CONDUCTING, UM, INSPECTIONS OR HOW, HOW WILL THAT BE POLICED TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE BEING USED FOR PARKING SPACES AND NOT STORAGE.
THAT'S UP TO THE HOA COMMITTEE MEMBERS THAT IS MADE UP OF THE RESIDENCE, THE RESIDENT.
SO IF THEY DECIDE, WELL, WE WANNA USE IT FOR STORAGE, THEN THEY COULD, UH, IF THEY WOULD AMEND THE, IF THEY AMEND THE CCNRS, AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CITY OF LAHABRA.
UM, BECAUSE THE C THE CCNRS ARE RECORDED DOCUMENT THAT GETS RECORDED AND REVIEWED, UH, THROUGH THE CITY OF LAHABRA.
A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED, UH, ASKED AND ANSWERED, UH, FROM WHAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE, BY THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
I GUESS I WANT TO ADD ON TO THAT QUESTION OF PARKING.
ARE YOU RELYING ON THE HOA TO ALSO ENFORCE THE, UH, VISITOR PARKING AREAS? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A BIT CONCERNED ABOUT FOR RESIDENTS IN LA HARE AS FAR AS A BUNCH OF CARS PARKING ON THE RE ON THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS.
ARE YOU GONNA SOLELY RELY ON HOA TO ENFORCE THAT, TO ENSURE THAT IT'S JUST VISITORS PARKING THERE AND NOT SOMEONE'S THIRD OR FOURTH OR FIFTH VEHICLE? YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, IN OUR CCNRS, WE DO HAVE VERBIAGE IN THERE THAT REGULATES ONSITE PARKING THAT, UM, 24 HOURS A CAR CANNOT BE PARKED ON SITE FOR LONGER THAN 24 HOURS OR IT'S TOWED.
UM, AGAIN, THAT IS MANAGED BY THE HOA, UM, SO HOA WILL HAVE TO POLICE THE ONSITE PARKING, UM, ONCE IT'S DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT.
BUT THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THE CCNRS THAT DIRECTLY ADDRESSES THE ONSITE PARKING.
IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UH, I DO HAVE ONE, JUST ONE VERY SIMPLE ONE.
I KNOW THAT, UH, MAYOR PRO TE MADANO HAD BROUGHT UP THE, UH, THE TOPIC OF SHRUBS ON THE NORTH SIDE.
WILL THESE BE MA MATURE SHRUBS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG IT TAKES THOSE SHRUBS TO GET TO THE MATURE LENGTH, BUT, UH, WE, WE GENERALLY, WE GENERALLY, WELL YOU SEE THE, YOU SEE THE LANDSCAPE DOCUMENT THERE.
UM, WE GENERALLY, JUST BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH THAT WE ONLY HAVE WHEN YOU PUT IN SIDEWALKS AND SO FORTH WITH THE PATH OF TRAVEL, WE GENERALLY USE VINES THAT GROW ALONG THE BLOCK WALLS.
UM, I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING GRAFFITI.
UM, BEFOREHAND WE GROW VINES ON BLOCK WALLS FOR THAT VERY REASON, UM, TO HELP WITH THAT.
AND THEN EVERYWHERE WE HAVE SOME MORE SPACE THAT WE CAN FIT A MATURE TREE, WE ARE PLACING A MATURE TREE IN THIS PROPERTY.
AND NOW AT THIS TIME, ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT, I'D ASK 'EM TO PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM AND PROVIDE THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS.
SEE NONE THEN I WILL ASK THOSE WHEN THE PUBLIC WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD, UH, PROVIDE THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS.
I'M NOT EXACTLY OPPOSED TO THE PROJECT.
MY SUGGESTION IS WHAT WE'VE DONE BEFORE AND WHAT WE DID WITH THE PROJECT ON ELECTRIC, JUST A COUPLE FEET DOWN THE STREET, UM, ON WALNUT, IS THAT WE DID PUT IT, WE MADE IT A REQUIREMENT THAT ALL PARKING FOR GARAGES BE EMBEDDED INTO YOUR APPROVAL TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE.
UM, MY OTHER REQUEST IS THAT WE HIT MORE ON THE LOW INCOME SIDE FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
IT IS IN THE GENERAL PLAN THAT YOU GUYS JUST APPROVED TONIGHT.
IF YOU, UH, IF WE ADD IT TO LOW INCOME, THAT WILL HIT MORE CLOSER TO THE RESIDENTS OF LAHABRA.
AND MIRANDA CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT LATER.
BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DE DEFINITELY NEED TO DEEM SOMETHING IN THIS PROJECT SINCE WE'VE ALREADY HIT ABOVE MODERATE, MODERATE AND VERY LOW.
AND THE NUMBERS ARE HERE FOR EVERYBODY TO LOOK AT.
SO, AND ALSO MY LAST QUESTION IS, I NOTICED THAT THE PROPERTY IS IN ESCROW.
DO WE KNOW WHO THE OWNER IS GONNA BE AFTER IT'S OUT OF ESCROW? DO WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION? IS THAT, IS THAT IT? MM-HMM
UH, WELL, I WILL ASK ALSO FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ON THAT.
I, UH, ASKED THE DEVELOPER TO COME UP AND ANSWER THAT QUESTION, ANSWER THE QUESTION REGARDING ESCROW AFTER ESCROW, UM, AFTER ESCROW WOULD BE IN AN LLC, WHICH WILL BE A BENANI DEVELOPMENT COMPANY LLC, THROUGH THE COURSE OF DEVELOPMENT.
THEN ONCE THE HOMES ARE SOLD, UM, TO THE COMMUNITY, THEN WE NO LONGER ARE A PART OF THAT PROPERTY AND IT BECOMES THE OWNERSHIP OF THOSE OWNERS THAT BUY THE TOWN HOMES OF THE PROPERTY AND MANAGED BY THE HOA THAT WOULD BE IN PLACE AT THAT POINT IN TIME.
WITH RESPECT TO THE QUESTION ABOUT, UM, THE TYPE OF HOUSING, SUSAN, IF I COULD ASK YOU TO COME TO THE PODIUM REALLY QUICKLY.
SO THIS PROJECT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY HOUSING
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ORDINANCE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.COULD YOU MAYBE EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT OF HOW THAT ORDINANCE WORKS AND HOW DEVELOPERS CHOOSE WHICH TYPE OF INCLUSIONARY HOUSING THAT THEY PUT INTO THEIR PROJECT? SURE.
UM, THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING REQUIREMENTS HAVE A BIT OF A SLIDING SCALE AND WHAT YOU CAN PROVIDE FOR, FOR SALE HOUSING, FOR MARKET RATE, IT REQUIRES FIF, UH, FOR, FOR SALE HOUSING IS 15% AT MODERATE INCOME LEVELS FOR RENTAL HOUSING, IT CAN GO DOWN TO 9% AT VERY, AT LOW INCOME LEVELS.
BUT IT'S A WHOLE SLIDING SCALE THAT BASED ON HOW THEY SEE THE PROJECT MOVING FORWARD, UM, AND THEIR PRO FORMA, WHAT'S GONNA WORK IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BUILD THEIR PROJECT, THEY GET TO DECIDE WHAT, WHAT AMOUNT OF HOUSING WE, WE AS A CITY, WHEN WE ADOPTED THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, JUST DECIDED HOW MUCH AT EACH INCOME LEVEL WOULD BE REQUIRED.
SO, LIKE I SAID, AT MODERATES 15, I BELIEVE AT LOW INCOME IT IS 9% AND IT'S, IT'S A SLIDING SCALE FROM THAT, DEPENDING ALSO WHETHER IT'S, UM, EXCUSE ME, FOR RENT OR IF IT'S, UM, FOR SALE.
IN ADDITION, THERE'S ALSO THE OPTION THAT SOME BUILDERS HAVE CHOSEN OR SOME DEVELOPERS HAVE CHOSEN WHERE THEY CAN PAY AN IN LIE FEE INSTEAD OF PROVIDING THE UNITS ON SITE.
SO THERE, THE WAY THAT THE INCLUSIONARY ORDINANCE WAS ADOPTED, IT GAVE, UM, DEVELOPERS A REALLY WIDE RANGE OF WAYS THAT THEY, THEY CAN MEET, MEET THAT ORDINANCE.
SO IF I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY, A DEVELOPER CAN LOOK AT THE CITY'S ADOPTED INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE AND BASED ON THEIR PROFORMA OF WHAT THEY THINK THEY NEED FOR THEIR PROJECT TO MAKE IT PENCIL, THEY CAN CHOOSE THE TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THEY WANT TO PROVIDE ON SITE.
OBVIOUSLY THE INCENTIVE IS IF THEY WERE TO PROVIDE A LOWER INCOME PRODUCT, THEY'D HAVE TO BUILD FEWER UNITS.
SO THE PENALTY TO BUILDING MODERATE HOUSING IS THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE MORE UNITS AND THAT'S A TRADE OFF THAT THEY HAVE TO DECIDE TO MAKE, OR THEY COULD SIMPLY PAY THE CITY A FEE AND AND THAT SATISFIES THEIR THEIR RESPONSIBILITY AS WELL.
AND PER OUR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE FOR, FOR SALE, WE REALLY ONLY GIVE THEM THE OPTION OF MODERATE INCOME, 15% MODERATE INCOME.
WE DON'T PROVIDE THEM WITH A LOWER INCOME.
LOWER INCOME FOR SALE HOUSING UNITS CAN BE DIFFICULT TO FIND FOLKS WHO CAN QUALIFY FOR THOSE UNITS.
MIRANDA'S BEEN WORKING REALLY HARD ON THE OLSON PROJECT AND QUALIFYING PEOPLE FOR THOSE MODERATE INCOME UNITS.
IT'S, IT'S A BIT OF A CHALLENGE THE LOWER YOUR INCOME GOES FOR THOSE FOR SALE UNITS.
UM, LEMME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ADD TO THAT.
THAT'S, IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY THAT WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, WHICH WAS THE CITY'S FIRST TIME EVER DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, IT WAS TO DESIGN A CERTAIN DEGREE OF FLEXIBILITY AND OPTIONALITY IN THAT FOR THE DEVELOPERS TO WORK WITH, WITH STAFF AND THE COUNCIL ON TRYING TO MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS? CORRECT.
AND THE WAY THAT THEY CAN GET MORE AFFORDABILITY IS THEN AS, AS YOU SEE IN THIS PROJECT, THEY, UM, ARE TRYING TO BUILD UNDER THE STATE'S DENSITY BONUS ORDINANCE, WHICH WE'VE ALSO ADDED INTO OUR ZONING CODE.
AND UNDER THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE MORE AFFORDABILITY WITH THAT BECOMES MORE WAIVERS, FEWER PARKING SPACES.
UH, THERE'S A LOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A BIT OF GIVE AND TAKE THERE.
THE MORE AFFORDABLE YOU GET EVEN LESS RESTRICTIVE AS OUR CODE ON THOSE PROJECTS.
AND THE ONLY LAST COMMENT I'D HAVE, MADAM MAYOR, IS PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL TAKING THE DECISION TO CREATE AN INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, THERE WAS NO CITY RULES FOR DEVELOPERS TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
THAT WAS A CITY CODE REQUIREMENT, CORRECT, SUSAN? CORRECT.
THAT CAME ON BOARD BECAUSE CITY COUNCIL WANTED TO HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT WERE PROPOSING PROJECTS TO BE ABLE TO START ADDING UNITS THAT WOULD BE AT SOME LEVEL OF AFFORDABILITY FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND IT WAS JUST THAT, UH, MR. CITY MANAGER IS, UH, WHEN WE, UH, I, MOST OF US WERE HERE WHEN WE PASSED THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE WAS JUST THAT, WAS THAT IF THE STATE WAS GONNA ENCUMBER US, SO TO SPEAK AND NOT GIVE US A SAY, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD A SEAT AT THE TABLE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT COULD NOT AFFORD HOMES.
AND THAT'S WHY WE VOTED THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE IN.
SO YEAH, AND IT DOESN'T, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T GO UNNOTICED, UH, THAT, UH, THAT WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO HIT THAT, THAT LOWER INCOME MODEL.
UH, THE UNFORTUNATE PART TO THAT IS THAT CITIES DO NOT BUILD HOUSES.
GOVERNMENT DOES NOT BUILD HOUSES.
WE ARE AT THE WHIM OF THE STATE FOR ONE, AND I'LL CONTINUE TO SAY THAT, UH, BUT ALSO AT THE, UH, AT THE WHIM OF DEVELOPERS AND, UH, THEY HAVE THE, UH, THE MASTER PLAN, SO TO SPEAK, TO BUILD AND, UH, WE GET A LITTLE BIT, UH, UH, OF A SEAT AT THE TABLE AT THAT.
SO, AND, AND TO CLARIFY THE COMMENT ABOUT HOW WE'RE DOING TOWARDS MEETING OUR MODERATE INCOME LEVELS VERSUS OUR, UM, LOWER INCOME LEVELS.
AS I MENTIONED WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE ANNUAL REPORT, WE ARE ACTUALLY DOING BETTER AT MEETING OUR LOW INCOME LEVELS BECAUSE OF THE ADUS AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF MODERATE INCOME UNITS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN PERMITTED.
AND THESE ARE ALL WITHIN THE OLSON PROJECT, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT.
WE'VE ONLY PERMITTED 12 MODERATE INCOME UNITS THAT HAVE ACTUALLY RECEIVED THEIR BUILDING PERMITS TO MOVE FORWARD.
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SO WHAT WAS THE INCOME, REMIND ME, WHAT WAS THE INCOME LEVEL IN THE ARENA NUMBERS THAT WE'RE RIGHT NOW BEHIND? IS IT THE VERY LOW INCOME? UM, IT, FOR VERY, VERY LOW.WE HAVE, UM, ARENA ALLOCATION OF 192.
THAT'S, THAT'S GONNA BE PERMANENT SUPPORTIVE HOUSING, THAT TYPE OF PROJECT.
TYPICALLY A 100% AFFORDABLE PROJECT.
UM, FOR MODERATE, WE WERE ASSIGNED 130 UNITS, AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE 12 AND FOR ABOVE MODERATE INCOME UNITS, WE'RE JUST, ARE GENERALLY THOSE MARKET RATE UNITS.
UM, WE ARE ASSIGNED 366 AND WE'VE PERMITTED 124.
SO IN, TO ANSWER MS. RAINIER'S QUESTION, WE'VE ACTUALLY MET OR EXCEEDED OUR LOW INCOME ALLOCATION OF UNITS IN TOWN ALREADY IN OUR ARENA, AND WE'RE WORKING TOWARDS OUR MODERATE, IT'S THE VERY LOW INCOME, WHICH IS A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT HOUSING PRODUCT TO TRY TO BUILD THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING AT LEAST ENOUGH SUCCESS WITH RIGHT NOW.
THAT TYPICALLY NEEDS A LOT OF SUBSIDY IN ORDER TO
IT'S A HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED HOUSING PRODUCT THAT WOULD REQUIRE STATE FUNDING OR SOME SITE OF SUBSIDY OR SOME SORT OF LAND DISCOUNT TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT PROJECT DONE.
AND THEN IS BASICALLY THE ENTIRE PROJECT'S, A VERY LOW INCOME PROJECT IS LIKE, UH, SUPPORTIVE HOUSING FOR FOLKS WHO ARE HOMELESS, FOR INSTANCE, COMING OUT OF SHELTERING THAT IS REALLY READY TO TAKE THAT NEXT LEVEL OF HOUSING.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT PRODUCT IN, IN THE COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW.
AND IT'S, IT'S VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.
A COUPLE OF THE PROJECT SITES WE'VE LOOKED AT HAVE BEEN PROHIBITIVELY EXPENSIVE AS FAR AS WHAT THAT WOULD COST.
AND WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A PARTNERING AGENCY OR DEVELOPER THAT WOULD BUILD THAT KIND OF PRODUCT AND A LANDOWNER THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO SELL.
AGAIN, IS THERE ANYONE THAT WOULD WISH TO SPEAK IN THE PUBLIC, IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROPOSED PO PROJECT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD AND PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS? ALL RIGHT.
QUESTION, DISCUSSION, INTERACTION.
UM, I, I WILL JUST START OFF AGAIN.
I, I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
AGAIN, WE, WE CONTINUALLY HEAR PROBLEMS, NOT ONLY THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS ABOUT PEOPLE, UH, THE PARKING ISSUE OUT IN THE STREET.
AND I THINK ONE WAY THAT THE COUNCIL, UH, CAN CONTROL THAT A LITTLE MORE, UH, BETTER IS TO DO CARPORTS THERE RATHER THAN GARAGES.
AND, UH, THAT WAY WE ENSURE THAT IT'S NOT BEING, UH, USED FOR STORAGE OR IS IT NOT BEING USED FOR A SECOND, UH, ANOTHER DWELLING ONTO THAT WHERE PEOPLE WILL LIVE INSIDE THAT GARAGE.
SO, UM, THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE.
IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? NO, I'D HAVE TO, UH, I'D HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT, UH, COUNCILMAN GOMEZ.
AND PARKING CONTINUES TO BE A PROBLEM.
UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'M, I'M, I'M GONNA GET ON ON MY SOAPBOX HERE.
WHEN I, UH, WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED TO CITY COUNCIL JUST A LITTLE OVER SIX YEARS AGO, I THOUGHT SOMETHING THAT REALLY WASN'T, I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH ZONING.
I WASN'T FAMILIAR WITH SOME OF THE STATE LAW'S, GENERAL PLAN, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
UM, BUT, UH, LO AND BEHOLD, UH, THE STATE CONTINUES TO TELL US HOW WE HAVE TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, NOT JUST WITH BUILDING DEVELOPERS HAVE A RIGHT TO BUILD.
THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE MONEY AND DO WHAT THEY DO.
THEY PROVIDE A, A, A, AN ACTUAL RESOURCE THAT WE NEED.
I'VE ALWAYS SAID THE CITY OF LAHABRA IS BUILT OUT, AND WE ARE, WE ARE, WE ARE BARELY MEETING OUR ARENA NUMBERS AS IT IS.
UM, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SAY, AND I FORGOT MY HANDCUFFS AT HOME.
UH, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, 'CAUSE I WAS GONNA HOLD UP MY HANDCUFFS AND JUST TELL PEOPLE THAT WE ARE HANDCUFFED.
UM, AND I HAVE HANDCUFFS 'CAUSE I'M A POLICE OFFICER.
SO JUST REST ASSURED IT'S MY FULL-TIME JOB.
UM, AND I WANNA MAKE SURE RESIDENTS ALIKE KNOW THAT IT'S NOT JUST WITH HOUSING, IT'S WITH OTHER THINGS.
PROP 36 THAT WE JUST PASSED JUST LAST NOVEMBER, WHICH ACTUALLY PUT A CAP ON, ON, ON SOME CRIMINAL ELEMENTS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE HERE IN THE STATE.
WHY? BECAUSE WE FINALLY WERE ABLE TO VOTE THAT IN AND GOT RID OF PROP 47.
THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE NEED TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES ON.
AND I'M HOPING THAT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AS THE YEARS GO BY.
UM, I'VE ALWAYS SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PLENTY OF LAND, UM, IN THE DESERT COMMUNITIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, YOU KNOW, WHERE YOU CAN BUILD ON, NO OFFENSE TO THE DESERT COMMUNITIES, BUT BECAUSE WE ARE BUILT OUT IN OUR CITIES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT, UH, THAT WE ARE, UH, THAT WE, IT'S GETTING CROWDED HERE.
IT'S GETTING CROWDED EVERYWHERE.
UH, IF, UH, IF YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN THROUGH, UH, SOUTH LOS ANGELES, UH, RECENTLY, OR OTHER AREAS OF LOS ANGELES, WEST LOS ANGELES, I HAVE, 'CAUSE IT'S PART OF MY JOB.
UH, AND, UH, IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH AT FIVE IN THE MORNING, THERE IS ZERO PARKING IN THESE COMMUNITIES.
UH, AND UH, AND THAT'S A WHOLE OTHER THING.
SO I SAY THIS AND I GET ON MY SOAPBOX
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FOR THIS, FOR PEOPLE TO SAY, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH, AND TALK TO SACRAMENTO.HONESTLY, PEOPLE TALK TO SACRAMENTO.
UH, I DON'T CARE IF YOU VOTE ME IN HERE IN AGAIN OR NOT.
WHAT I'M AFTER IS TO SEE CHANGE WITHIN THE STATE TO GIVE US, AS CITY COUNCILS ARE POWER BACK.
ALL RIGHT? NOT JUST WITH THIS ISSUE WITH A LOT OF ISSUES.
UNDERSTAND SOMETHING AS WELL THAT THIS HAS BEEN ZONED RESIDENTIAL SINCE 1993, WELL BEFORE ANY OF US WERE EVER ON CITY COUNCIL.
UH, SO THAT IS WHAT IT IS, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING OUT IN TV LAND, AS I ALWAYS SAY, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO VOTE THE RIGHT PEOPLE INTO YOUR STATE ASSEMBLY, YOUR STATE SENATE, AND OF COURSE OUR GOVERNOR.
OKAY? BECAUSE THEY MAKE THESE DECISIONS FOR US.
ONE SIZE FITS ALL, DOESN'T FIT FOR LAHABRA, DOESN'T FIT FOR WHITTIER, DOESN'T FIT FOR ROLAND HEIGHTS, FOR BRAY AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
WE EACH HAVE OUR SPECIAL COMMUNITIES, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AFTER.
I'VE BEEN TALKING FOR YEARS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF LOCAL CONTROL FOLKS WHO KNOW THIS, THIS WIRE IS TERRIBLE.
I JUST STOP TOUCHING IT, I SUPPOSE.
AND WE KNOW WHERE SACRAMENTO STANDS WITH THIS.
WE KNOW THEIR IMPERATIVE IS FOR MORE HOUSING, THREE AND A HALF MILLION HOUSES IN CALIFORNIA IN THE SHORT TERM.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF NIMBYISM TOO.
IT'S, IT'S A PEJORATIVE TERM WHERE, NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
ME PERSONALLY AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M ELECTED TO REPRESENT THIS COMMUNITY.
63,000 PEOPLE IN THESE SEVEN SQUARE MILES.
IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER WHAT I THINK ABOUT WHAT, WHAT THE REST OF THE STATE NEEDS.
BUT I'M HERE TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF LAHABRA.
YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THAT SAID, WE KNOW WE HAVE TO ZONE FOR THESE 804 HOUSES.
WE KNOW THEY'RE GONNA GET BUILT, BUT LACKING LOCAL CONTROL, WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHEN, WHERE, HOW, AND WHY.
AND THE DENSITY BONUSES AND ALL THESE THINGS, OF COURSE, TRIP US FROM THAT LEVEL OF CONTROL.
HOWEVER, THIS PROJECT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT ALL, ITS I'S DOTTED AND IT'S T'S CROSSED.
WE'RE NOT ABOUT TO ENGAGE IN LITIGIOUS BEHAVIOR BY SAYING, OH, WELL, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA ADD THREE OR FOUR MORE CAR TRIPS.
WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE DMT COUNT MEASURED AS LESS THAN THE SIGNIFICANT.
WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, ALRIGHT, WITH THE CARPORT IDEA INSTEAD OF GARAGES.
BUT I WANNA KNOW WHAT IMPACT THAT'S GONNA HAVE ON THIS PROJECT.
I ALSO DON'T WANNA INVITE LITIGATION OVER THIS.
I WANNA KNOW IF THAT'S DOABLE, IF THAT'S MANAGEABLE.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA COME FROM THE APPLICANT OR THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE STAND WITH THAT.
I WOULD THINK YOU'D TURN TO THE APPLICANT AND SEE WHAT THE VI HOW THIS AFFECTS THE VIABILITY OF THE PROJECT ITSELF.
I WOULD JUST REMIND THE A OR LET THE APPLICANT KNOW OF SOME HISTORY.
WE HAD A PROJECT OUT IN MONTE VISTA, VERY BIG PROBLEM WITH PARKING OUT IN THE AREA.
AND, UH, HE WAS WILLING TO GIVE US ACTUALLY MORE PARKING SPACE IN THAT AREA.
EVEN THOUGH HE WAS ABLE TO GET BONUS PARKING OVER THERE.
HE WAS ABLE TO TO, TO WILLING TO WORK WITH US.
SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, IS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO WORK WITH US? UH, WELL REALLY QUICKLY, JUST, UH, IF I CAN ANSWER YOUR CONCERN, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ AND MAYOR PRO TEM, UM, WHEN I HAD MENTIONED THAT, UM, FOR THE R THREE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, UM, TWO AND THREE BEDROOM UNITS REQUIRE TWO CAR GARAGE SPACES, WHICH, UM, SINCE THE, THE APPLICANT IS TECHNICALLY USING THE STATE DENSITY BONUS LAW, THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO GARAGES, BUT THEY STILL ARE TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE R THREE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
AND THEN, UM, AS THE DEVELOPER ALSO MENTIONED, THAT'S THE USE OF THE GARAGE SPACES FOR VEHICLE USE WOULD BE ESTABLISHED IN THE CCNRS, WHICH ARE REGULATED BY, BY THE CITY ITSELF.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF SET IN STONE IN THAT SENSE.
BUT I'M GONNA LET THE APPLICANTS, UM, FILL IN SOME FOR MORE INFORMATION.
AND BEFORE HE SPEAKS TOO, I WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT I UNDERSTAND HOW HOAS WORK.
I WAS THE PRESIDENT OF ONE FOR 20 YEARS, SO I KNOW THAT, THAT HOAS HAVE, THE TITLES ARE, ARE DEED RESTRICTED.
SO FOLKS JUST CAN'T IGNORE THE CC R WITHOUT SUFFERING SIGNIFICANT PENALTIES UP TO INCLUDING TRUE, ESSENTIALLY FORECLOSURE ON THEIR HOMES.
SO I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT THE HOA NOT HAVING TEETH 'CAUSE I KNOW DARN WELL THAT THEY DO.
BUT NOW IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT UNDER R THREE, UH, HE'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A GARAGE OR HE SIMPLY DOESN'T NEED TO, YOU KNOW, UH, MAKE US HAPPY BY SAYING CARPORTS INSTEAD OF GARAGES.
WHICH ONE IS, I BELIEVE YOU SAID PARKING SPACES OVER? NO, NO, THEY'RE, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO GARAGE SPACES RES LIKE THE RESIDENCE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO GARAGE SPACES FOR THE R THREE DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS.
WELL, IS THAT A CARPORT OR IS THAT HAS TO BE ENCLOSED GARAGE ENCLOSED.
GARAGE ENCLOSED GARAGE, CORRECT.
WELL, IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER THAT.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUE.
THAT WOULD, ALRIGHT, WELL LET ME ASK THE APPLICANT.
WOULD HE BE WILLING TO PUT A CARPORT? WELL, AGAIN, IT'S
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A REQUIREMENT.THE ONLY, THE ONLY, THE ONLY WAY THAT COULD HAVE RECRUITED WOULD BE TO GO SOME SORT OF I GOT IT.
YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE A CODE, YOU'D HAVE TO SOMEWHAT EXEMPT THE CODE AND MAKE, SEEK SOME SORT OF A VARIANCE, WHICH IS NOT PRACTICAL IN THIS SITUATION.
ARE THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? UH, THEN I GUESS WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PROVIDE MORE PARKING SPACES THERE IN SOMEWHERE? WE WOULD NOT BE WILLING TO PROVIDE MORE PARKING SPACES.
WE EXCEED THE PARKING BY STATE LAW.
WE'RE PROVIDING 48 PARKING SPACES ON SITE.
I THINK THEY'RE PROVIDING MORE THAN R THREE REQUIRES, ACTUALLY.
UH, MAY I HAVE A MOTION? IS ANYONE GOING TO YEAH, YOU KNOW, I WILL.
I'M JUST NAVIGATING BACK FROM THE STAFF REPORT AND WHEN I DO THAT, I HERE, WHERE IS IT? ALRIGHT, I'LL MOVE TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
CITY CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCED THE FIRST ALL THE CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCED THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025 TO BE DETERMINED ENTITLED IN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY OF LA HARBOR, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING A PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT.
THAT'S PUD TWO M 24 TRIPLE ZERO TWO, TO CONSTRUCT A 22 UNIT RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX TOWN HOMES, INCLUDING FOUR UNITS FOR SALE TO MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS AT 300 SOUTH WALNUT STREET.
THAT'S ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NUMBER 2 9 8 DASH 0 6 6 DASH 16 AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECTIVE CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT CQA PURSUANT TO SECTION 15 3 32, CLASS THREE TWO INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OF THE CQA GUIDELINES.
IS THERE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND IT FOR THE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE.
FOUR FOUR YES VOTES WITH THE NO VOTE BY COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ.
[2. A DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT (PUD2M24-0001) TO CONSTRUCT 21 DWELLING UNITS (APARTMENT HOMES) AT THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY ADDRESSED AS 920 WEST LA HABRA BOULEVARD (ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NUMBER 298-011-021) AND AN INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AGREEMENT WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF ORANGE FOR RESTRICTION OF TWO UNITS TO BE LEASED TO MODERATE-INCOME HOUSEHOLDS That the City Council: A. Introduce for first reading ORDINANCE NO. 2025-__ ENTITLED: AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT (PUD2M24-0001) TO CONSTRUCT 21 DWELLING UNITS (APARTMENT HOMES), INCLUDING TWO AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR RENT TO MODERATE-INCOME HOUSEHOLDS, ON A 1.59 ACRE LOT AT THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY ADDRESSED AS 920 WEST LA HABRA BOULEVARD (ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NUMBER 298-011-021), AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS, AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT (PUD2M24-0001) IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT (CEQA) PURSUANT TO SECTION 15332, CLASS 32: "INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS" OF THE CEQA GUIDELINES; and, B. APPROVE AN INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AGREEMENT WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF ORANGE FOR TWO MODERATE-INCOME RENTAL UNITS AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AGREEMENT.]
IT'S STA YES.THE SECOND AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA IS TITLED A DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT PUD TWO M 2 4 0 0 1 TO CONSTRUCT 21 DWELLING UNITS, APARTMENT HOMES AT THE PROPERTY CURRENT ADDRESSED AS CURRENTLY ADDRESSED AS 9 2 0 WEST LAHABRA BOULEVARD, ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NUMBER 2 98 DASH ZERO ONE DASH 0 2 1, AND AN INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AGREEMENT WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF ORANGE FOR A RESTRICTION OF TWO UNITS TO BE LEASED TO MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS.
ARE THERE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE, UH, RECEIVED ON THIS ITEM? UH, YES.
TWO PUBLIC EMAIL COMMENTS WERE RECEIVED FROM LISA BAKER AND COPIES OF THOSE HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER.
WE WILL NOW ASK FOR A STAFF REPORT.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ESPINOSA, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.
I'M A CONTRACT PLANNER WITH THE CITY OF LAHABRA.
UH, THE PROJECT LOCATION IS ON THE SOUTHERN PORTION OF THE OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE, UH, CHURCH SITE.
IT IS, UH, SURROUNDED TO THE NORTH BY THE, UH, CHURCH SITE ITSELF.
UH, TO THE EAST ARE THE MONTE VISTA APARTMENTS.
TO THE SOUTH IS GUADALUPE PARK AND TO THE WEST ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES ALONG WALKER AND THEN FURTHER NORTH ON MARION.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO DEVELOP 21 APARTMENT HOMES.
UH, THE SITE WILL TAKE ACCESS OFF OF WALKER.
UH, AS YOU ENTER TO THE SITE, YOU'LL BE, UH, MOVING ON TO, UH, PRIVATE STREETS.
UH, THE FIRST THING THAT WILL BE DENOTED IS, UH, COLORED AND, UH, UH, UH, PAVED, UH, UM, FORGIVE ME, COLORED AND STAMPED, UH, CONCRETE.
UH, THERE'S A, UH, CUL-DE-SAC TURNAROUND, UH, AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THEN THE UNITS ARE BASICALLY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE AND, UH, IN THE CENTER AS WELL.
UH, THEY'RE GROUPED INTO TWO UNITS, UH, FOUR UNITS, FIVE UNITS, AND SIX UNIT.
UM, APARTMENT BUILDINGS EXISTING RIGHT NOW TO THE EAST AND THE WEST ARE, UH, EXISTING BLOCK WALLS.
THE APPLICANT PROPOSES TO INSTALL SIX FOOT,
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UH, SPLIT FACE BLOCK WALLS ALONG THE NORTH AND SOUTH BORDERS.THE SITE IS REQUIRED TO HAVE THREE PARKING SPACES PER UNIT, AS WELL AS A HALF PARKING SPACE FOR ALL OF THE VISITOR SITES.
THAT NETS OUT TO, UH, 42 PARKING SPACES FOR THE UNITS AS WELL AS THE, UH, VISITOR SITES, UH, VISITOR SPACES AS WELL.
UH, THE RED CARS DENOTE, UH, THE PARKING FOR RESIDENCES.
EACH UNIT HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE, AND ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS PARKING THROUGHOUT THE SITE FOR RESIDENCES AND INCLUDING, UH, ACCESSIBLE, UH, PARKING AS WELL.
AND THEN THEY HAVE ALL 11, UH, UH, VISITOR PARKING SPACES INCLUDED ON SITE AS WELL.
SO THE SITE IS PARKED PER STANDARD, YOU SAY PER STANDARD, PER CITY STANDARD.
SO, UM, UH, TITLE 18 REQUIRES, UH, THEM TO HAVE THREE PARKING UNITS PER UNIT, UH, AND A HALF PARKING UNIT FOR VISITORS.
AND SO THEY'VE MET ALL THAT REQUIRED PARKING, 73 UNITS OR PARKING SPACES ON SITE IN TOTAL.
UH, WE WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE, UH, THE BORDERS AS WELL.
UM, TO THE EAST ARE THE MONTE VISTA APARTMENTS.
UH, THE, UH, GRAPHIC HERE SHOWS WHAT THAT CONDITION WILL LOOK LIKE.
UH, THEY ARE ABOUT 10 OR 11 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROPERTY LINE AT THAT LOCATION.
UH, THE MONTE VISTA APARTMENTS SIT ABOUT FIVE OR SIX FEET HIGHER, UH, THAN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AND SO THEY'RE PROPOSING ABOUT A FIVE FOOT RETAINING WALL.
UH, AND THERE'LL BE ABOUT TWO OR THREE FEET OF LANDSCAPING.
AND THEN THE EXISTING MONTE VISTA APARTMENT BLOCK WALL WILL REMAIN WHERE IT'S AT ON THE WESTERN EDGE.
UH, WE HAVE, UH, ONE SINGLE FAMILY UNIT AT NINE 60 WALKER AVENUE.
UH, AND THERE WILL BE UNITS ABOUT 15 FEET AWAY FROM THAT UNIT, UH, 15 FEET AWAY FROM, FROM BUILDING TO BUILDING.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING, UH, UH, A LARGE, UH, COLUMN FERN.
UH, THEY'RE ABOUT, UH, THREE OR FOUR FEET WIDE AT, UH, FULL MATURITY.
UM, HE'S GONNA GROUP THEM ALONG THAT ENTIRE, UH, LOCATION.
THEY'LL BE ABOUT NINE OR 10 FEET WHEN THEY'RE INSTALLED TO PROVIDE SCREENING, UH, AT THAT LOCATION.
AND THEY REACH A HEIGHT OF, UH, 14 TO 15 FEET WHEN THEY'RE FULLY MATURE IN ABOUT TWO OR THREE YEARS, AS WELL AS LANDSCAPING.
THE APPLICANT HAS MET, ACTUALLY EXCEEDED ALL OF THE, UH, OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS.
UH, THEY ARE PROVIDING, UH, SITE-WIDE, 11,500 SQUARE FEET OF COMMON OPEN SPACE.
UH, THEY ARE ALSO PROVIDING ALMOST 6,000 SQUARE FEET OF PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
UH, THEY HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT THE PRIVATE OPEN SPACE, WHEN IT'S ON THE GROUND, IT NEEDS TO BE 250 SQUARE FEET.
UM, EVERY UNIT HAS 250 SQUARE FEET AT LEAST.
UH, SOME UNITS ON THE EASTERN PORTION TO THE NORTH AND TO THE SOUTH ACTUALLY HAVE 450, 460 SQUARE FEET OF, UH, PRIVATE OPEN SPACE.
AND THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING 2000 AND, UH, 111, UH, UH, SQUARE FEET OF COMMON OPEN SPACE THAT'S GONNA BE PROGRAMMED FOR THE COMMUNITY.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON THE NEXT SLIDE.
THAT'S ABOUT FOUR TIMES, FIVE TIMES WHAT'S REQUIRED.
SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A, A SIGNIFICANT LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT THE SITE.
UM, AGAIN, ALONG THAT UNIT TO THE WEST, THOSE FOUR UNITS TO THE WEST, THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THOSE COLUMN FERNS THAT ARE GONNA BE NINE OR 10 FEET AT INSTALLATION, AND THEN HIGHER LATER ON.
UH, AND THEN JUST NICELY LANDSCAPED THROUGHOUT WITH, UM, PLANTS THAT ARE SUITED FOR THE, UH, THE ENVIRONMENT IN THAT PROGRAM.
COMMON SPACE, THEY'RE PROPOSING PASSIVE SEEDING AREAS AS WELL AS, UH, SHADE COVER, UH, WITH LANDSCAPING AND TREES.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE SIX, ABOUT 19 SQUARE FOOT, UH, UM, RAISED PLANTERS FOR GARDENING OR VEGETABLES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UH, THEY ALSO HAVE, UH, SEATING FOR OUTDOORS FOR EATING AS WELL, A BARBECUE GRILL.
AND THAT SPACE WILL BE COVERED BY A, UH, MODERN OPAQUE METAL GAZEBO.
WANNA WALK THROUGH THE ELEMENTS OF THE, UH, OF THE DESIGN.
UH, I'VE LEFT UP HERE JUST THE SIX UNIT COMPLEX AGAIN.
THERE'S TWO, THERE'S FOUR AND THERE'S FIVE AND SIX.
BUT JUST BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, UM, YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT, UH, THEY'VE MET ALL OF THE, UH, SPANISH, UH, DESIGN ELEMENTS.
THEY HAVE, UH, UM, PIPING ELEMENTS.
THEY HAVE, UH, BROUGHT IRON LIGHTING ELEMENTS.
THEY HAVE BALCONIES, UH, THROUGHOUT, UH, AT VARIOUS UNITS.
WOODEN SHUTTERS AS WELL, AS WELL AS, UH, DECORATIVE
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TILE.UH, THE ENTRANCES ARE ARCHED ELEMENTS, UH, AND COVERED.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BUILDING HAS A MASSING AND ARTICULATION THAT'S DONE WITH BOTH POP OUTS AND WITH COLOR TO PROVIDE VISUAL INTEREST.
THE APPLICANT IS ALSO PROPOSING, UH, TWO UNITS TO BE AFFORDABLE AT THE MODERATE INCOME LEVEL.
THIS IS NOT A DENSITY BONUS, THIS IS JUST BASED OFF OF THE CITY'S INCLUSIONARY ORDINANCE.
UH, FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT, UH, THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET 9% OF THEIR UNITS THAT NETS OUT TO JUST UNDER TWO.
SO YOU ROUND UP IT'S TWO UNITS.
UH, THEY'VE IDENTIFIED THOSE UNITS HERE.
UH, AND THOSE WOULD BE AVAILABLE AGAIN AT THE MODERATE INCOME LEVEL.
UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ITEM, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS AS WELL AS THE APPLICANT IS HERE AS WELL.
AND, UH, REPRESENTATION FROM THE CHURCH.
UH, DO ANY OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS OF THE STAFF? I, I DO.
UM, AGAIN, THIS, THIS PROJECT AGAIN OFFERS, UH, ONE WAY IN AND ONE, UH, ONLY, UH, ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
HAVE WE LOOKED AT, UH, ADDING AN ADDITIONAL EXIT THROUGH? I KNOW IT'S NOT REQUIRED, BUT HAVE WE LOOKED AT IT THROUGH MONTE VISTA? UH, IT'S NOT POSSIBLE THROUGH MONTE VISTA.
AGAIN, MONTE VISTA IS ABOUT FIVE OR SIX FEET HIGHER.
UH, AND IT'S RELATIVELY CLOSE, ABOUT 11, 12 FEET AWAY FROM THE PROJECT.
SO YOU JUST COULD NOT CREATE AN ENTRANCE THERE.
UH, IF WE GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER BACK, YOU'LL SEE, I'M SORRY FOR CLICKING SO MUCH, BUT, UM, UH, IT, IT ABUTS AGAINST MONTE VISTA.
THERE'S APARTMENTS THAT RUN ALONG THE, UM, THAT EASTERN WALL AND, UM, THERE'S A BLOCK WALL THERE.
SO MONTE VISTA'S NOT AN EXIT, UH, OR A SECOND EXIT.
AND, UH, TO THE NORTH IS THE CHURCH SITE WITH THE FIELD.
SO THAT WOULDN'T BE A SECONDARY EXIT EITHER.
UM, BUT WHAT IT DOES DO IS IT'S A FIRE DEPARTMENT APPROVED CUL-DE-SAC.
IT PROVIDES, UH, A TURNAROUND FOR EMERGENCY ACCESS VEHICLES AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, ALSO IF SOMEONE WERE TO PULL INTO THE DEVELOPMENT, NOT KNOWING THAT IT'S THERE, MAYBE SOMEONE'S VISITING THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UH, THAT CUL-DE-SAC GIVES THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO TURN AROUND QUICKLY AND EXIT WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE ENTIRE SITE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? YES.
OH, ACTUALLY, UH, ACTUALLY NO, IT WOULD BE FOR THE, UH, FOR THE APPLICANT OR FOR THE ARCHDIOCESE.
I DO HAVE A, I'M GONNA ASK ONE OF THE, UH, THE DEVELOPER.
THE DEVELOPER OR THE ARCHDIOCESE, SIR? I'M SORRY.
UH, A CONSULTANT TO THE DIOCESE OF ORANGE DEVELOPMENT CONSULTANT.
I'M ACTUALLY, I'M QUITE SURPRISED BY THE WHOLE PROJECT BEING AT THE ARCHDIOCESE, UH, BECAUSE IT, UH, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A HUGE INCONVENIENCE TO THE, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE, QUITE AN INCONVENIENCE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT, SO TO SPEAK, SURPRISE BEYOND BELIEF.
BUT THAT BEING SAID, UM, THESE ARE ALL RENTAL UNITS, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
ONLY TWO OF THEM ARE GONNA BE LOW INCOME, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT.
UH, NOW TO CLARIFY THE RECORD, THE MODERATE INCOME.
MODERATE INCOME, SORRY ABOUT THAT.
UH, DO WE KNOW WHAT THESE ARE GONNA, UH, RENT OR LEASE FOR? I WOULD DEFER TO STAFF WHO PROBABLY HAS THAT ANSWER.
I, I DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT THE MODERATE INCOME UNITS OR THE OTHER UNITS? UH, THE OTHER UNITS AND THE, AND THE MODERATE.
SO THE DEVELOPER, YEAH, THE DEVELOPER NEEDS TO ANSWER BRANDON, ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE NON MODERATE UNITS.
SO THE MODERATE INCOME UNITS WILL BE RESTRICTED TO 30% OF THE HOUSEHOLD'S INCOME AND THE, UH, THE REGULAR UNITS, I, I HONESTLY DON'T RECALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, SO WHATEVER THE MARKET WILL BEAR WHATEVER WHATEVER'S MARKET AND FAIR AND, UH, EACH, EACH DWELLING WILL BE A DIFFERENT, UH, A DIFFERENT RATE.
RIGHT, BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ALL SAME SIZE.
THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT THERE.
THREE OF 'EM PLANS, THREE DIFFERENT SIZES.
THEY'RE GENERALLY SIMILAR IN SIZE.
UM, THREE BEDROOM, AND THEN ONE IS A THREE BEDROOM WITH A LOFT.
JUST ANOTHER QUESTION IN, IN REFERENCE, THE ARCHDIOCESE, AND I MAY BE GETTING IT OVER MY HEAD HERE, AS FAR AS WHAT THE ARCHDIOCESE HOLDINGS ARE THROUGHOUT THE, UH, THE COUNTY, THROUGHOUT THE STATE, THROUGHOUT THE WORLD FOR THAT NATURE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PLACES WHERE THE ARCHDIOCESE CAN SELL A PIECE OF LAND OR DEVELOP A PIECE OF LAND THAT WOULDN'T, UH, INCONVENIENCE OUR, OUR RESIDENTS THAT YOU KNOW OF? WELL,
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IF, IF I MAY, YES.SO THE DIOCESE OF ORANGE IS LOOKING AT ALL THE PROPERTIES ACROSS THE ENTIRE DIOCESE, WHICH IS ALIGNED WITH THE COUNTY BOUNDARIES AND LOOKING AT, UM, UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES THAT WE CAN USE TO CREATE AN INCOME STREAM TO PROVIDE MORE SERVICES TO THE, THE PARISH MEMBERS AND THE, THE PUBLIC AT LARGE.
SO WE ARE LOOKING AT SITES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTY, INCLUDING THE HARBOR.
I DON'T WANT TO GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE.
COUNCIL MEMBER LAKIN? YES, MA'AM.
UH, I'M TRYING NOT TO GET IN TROUBLE MYSELF.
IT'S ACTUALLY FOR THE QUESTION FOR A DEVELOPER, ACTUALLY.
SO I'M LOOKING AT, UM, THESE LETTERS FROM RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA AND, AND, AND I'VE EVEN BEEN IN THAT AREA.
AND THERE, THERE'S SOME SERIOUS CHALLENGES WITHIN THAT AREA, THOSE, THOSE STREETS TO THE WEST.
MY CONCERN IS, AND HOPEFULLY YOU CAN ALLEVIATE THESE CONCERNS, IS THAT HOW THESE RENTALS WILL BE UTILIZED AND WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER CONSTITUTE TO BE A RENTAL, FOR EXAMPLE.
UH, AND, AND, AND THE QUESTION I'M, WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, ARE THESE PROPERTIES GONNA BE USED FOR LIKE OVERNIGHT STAYS FOR EVENT PLANNING, THINGS THAT ARE OCCURRING WITHIN THE, THE CHURCH PEOPLE STAYING FOR 15 DAYS? THAT'S MY CONCERN.
THAT'S GONNA ADD TO THAT PROBLEM.
ARE THERE GONNA BE ANY EVENTS THAT ARE GONNA BE OCCURRING THAT ARE COINCIDING WITH WHO'S STAYING AT THOSE RENTALS? AND LET ME ADDRESS THAT PLEASE.
SO THIS PROJECT IS DESIGNED TO PROVIDE RENTAL HOUSING FOR PEOPLE TO BE, YOU KNOW, A YEAR PLUS A YEAR LEASE TO START AND BEYOND.
IT'S JUST LIKE ANY OTHER APARTMENT COMPLEX HAPPENS TO BE OWNED BY THE DIOCESE, BUT IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT'S, THERE'S NO, UM, RESTRICTION THAT THE, THE RENTERS ARE THE RENTERS.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY PEOPLE WHO, WHO, WHO ARE PART OF THE CHURCH.
IT MIGHT BE, WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
UM, AND SO THIS IS AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WHERE WE ARE GOING TO FIND PEOPLE THAT WANNA CALL A HABER HOME WHO WANT A BEAUTIFUL NEW NEIGHBORHOOD AND ARE WILLING TO RENT THERE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE A TYPICAL APARTMENT COMPLEX, IT'LL BE EXTENDED AFTER THAT.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT FOR CHURCH EVENTS, IT'S NOT SHORT TERM IS TRADITIONAL APARTMENT LIVING.
AND, AND HOW WOULD YOU ENFORCE THE PARKING IN THAT, IN THAT, IN THAT UNIT, OR, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT IN THAT PROPERTY.
SO THE, THE, THE PROJECT OR THE APARTMENTS WILL BE PROFESSIONALLY MANAGED BY A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT GROUP, WHICH WILL ENFORCE THE PARKING BOTH IN TERMS OF, UM, UH, UH, PERMIT PARKING AND ALSO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT HAS PERMIT PARKING.
SO WE, OUR PEOPLE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED AND THEY'LL BE NOTIFIED OF THAT.
AND THE CITY ENFORCES THAT YOU PARK IN THE STREETS, AND FRANKLY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WON'T PARK IN OUR, IN OUR COMMUNITY EITHER.
AND IF I CAN, THERE ARE 74 PARKING SPACES HERE.
UM, UNLIKE THE LAST PROJECT THAT YOU SAW, UM, THERE IS NO STATE DENSITY BONUS WE'RE REQUESTING HERE.
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, YOU TALKED ABOUT YOU CONTROLLING THINGS.
WE HAVE FOLLOWED YOUR ZONING AND FOLLOWED YOUR RULES.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY VARIANCES, NOT ASKING FOR ANY, UM, STATE DENSITY.
WE ARE GIVING YOU THE CONTROL.
THIS IS WHAT THE CITY ASKED FOR WHEN THEY ZONED THAT PROPERTY AND GENERAL PLAN THAT PROPERTY.
AND WE FOLLOWED THOSE RULES TO THE T AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE PART OF THE CITY.
HAS THERE BEEN ANY DISCUSSION BETWEEN YOU AND THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA TO MAYBE HEAR SOME OF THEIR CONCERNS? YES.
SO WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING LAST YEAR, UM, AND MADE OURSELVES AVAILABLE.
I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UM, AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION THERE WAS, THERE WAS THINGS BROUGHT UP WHICH WE APPRECIATED.
UM, NO ONE HAS CONTACTED US, THE CHURCH OR MYSELF SINCE THEN, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY AVAILABLE.
UM, I, I DO WANNA SAY THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS IN TERMS OF THE PARKING THAT EXISTS TODAY.
THERE WAS A PARKING ISSUE AS, AS THEY DESCRIBED, I'M JUST NOT DESCRIBING THIS FROM THE, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE.
THERE ARE SOMETIMES CONCERNS WITH PARKING CHURCH ISSUES.
I THINK THAT IT, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE CHURCH IS MORE THAN WILLING TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE, BUT THIS IS A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT EXISTING CONDITIONS.
I ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE MIRRORS OF THIS PROJECT TODAY.
IF THE CITY WANTS THE CHURCH, WHICH WE'RE WILLING TO DO TO TALK TO THE RESIDENTS ABOUT ISSUES, ABOUT INTERACTION, THAT'S NO PROBLEM.
BUT THAT'S NOT THIS PROJECT TONIGHT.
THIS PROJECT TONIGHT IS A DEVELOPMENT PROJECT WE'RE BRINGING FORWARD TO YOU THAT MEETS YOUR CODE 100% AND GIVES YOU THE CONTROL YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
AND, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP, AND BY NO MEANS AM I PENALIZING THE DEVELOPER, UM, BECAUSE OF CURRENT CONDITIONS, BUT I THINK THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO IS COMMUNICATE AND, AND COMMUNICATION IS ALWAYS KEY.
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YOU KNOW, MISCONCEPTIONS.IT ELIMINATES A LOT OF THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE WITH THESE PROPERTIES AND THE CURRENT RESIDENTS THAT ARE THERE.
UM, SO I, I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS NOT TO, YOU KNOW, SWING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM YOU, UH, SOME OF THE WAYS IN WHICH YOU ARE MITIGATING SOME OF THE CONCERNS THEY HAVE WITHOUT, AGAIN, PENALIZING YOU.
MY ONLY LAST QUESTION IS, IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT MAY BE BOUGHT UP BY THE RESIDENTS IS TRASH ISSUES.
UH, HAVE YOU, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CONSIDERATIONS OF HOW TRASH WOULD BE PICKED UP? I, I SEE YOU HAVE THE TRAFFIC CIRCLE THERE.
WHICH THAT'S NOT, WOULDN'T BE JUST FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES, BUT ALSO THE, I WOULD ASSUME ADDRESS TRASH BEING PICKED UP AS WELL.
SO, SO EVERY UNIT HAS ROOM IN THE GARAGE FOR THREE CONTAINERS, LANDSCAPING OR GREEN WASTE, RECYCLE AND TRASH.
AND THOSE WILL BE BROUGHT OUT TO THE, THE STREET AND THE TRASH TRUCK WILL BE ABLE TO CIRCUMNAVIGATE THIS PROPERTY THAT THE TURNAROUND, YOU CAN SEE THERE.
IT'S COME, THEY'RE GONNA COME BY AND PICK UP THE, THE TRASH JUST LIKE THEY DO EVERYWHERE ELSE.
UM, YOU MADE THE STATEMENT THAT, UH, YOU WERE, AS THE DIOCESE WAS LOOKING AT ALL THE PROPERTIES AND, UH, YOU WERE HIGHLIGHTING UNDERUTILIZED PROPERTIES AND THAT THE REASON WHY YOU'RE DOING THIS, THIS PROJECT IS TO BENEFIT PARISHIONERS.
CAN YOU PEEL AWAY AT THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE AND HOW THAT WILL BENEFIT YOUR PARISHIONERS? AND I, I, I DON'T THINK I CAN, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT, BUT CERTAINLY FATHER CAN.
UM, BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CHURCH IS LOOKING FOR A WAY TO HELP FUND PROGRAMS ACROSS THE DIOCESE AND, UH, BE ABLE TO DO MORE FOR THE PARISHIONERS ACROSS THE DIOCESE.
SO IT'LL BE SPECIFICALLY FOR LAHABRA RESIDENTS OR THE LAHABRA PAR OLG IS WHAT I'M SAYING? YES, YES AND NO.
THERE'S, THERE, THERE IS A PORTION THAT WILL BE SPECIFICALLY TO THE, TO OUR LADY GUADALUPE LAHABRA.
AND THERE IS A PORTION THAT WILL BE, UH, DIOCESE WIDE.
MY QUESTION, AND, AND MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS, I UNDERSTAND THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THIS PROPERTY IS ACTUALLY DONATED BY, UH, MARY CHRIS MARK, AND IT WAS DONATED TO THE DIOCESE WITH A SPECIAL INTENTION.
CAN SOMEBODY, UH, ELABORATE THAT, UH, A LITTLE BIT MORE? I, I, IF I MAY, I BELIEVE THAT, UM, MARY DONATED FUNDS TO BUILD A SHELTER IN THAT LOCATION.
THE PROPERTY HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN OWNED BY THE DIOCESE OF
IT WAS NOT, IT WAS NOT OWNED BY MARY, I DON'T BELIEVE.
WE CAN CONFIRM THAT, BUT I DON'T YOU BELIEVE THAT'S THE CASE? THERE'S NO LEGAL LOT THAT UNTIL THE, UNTIL THE LOT LINE ADDRESS, WHICH WE JUST DID, THERE WAS NO LEGAL PARCEL THAT COULD HAVE BEEN OWNED.
SHE WOULD'VE HAD TO OWN THE ENTIRE PROPERTY.
AND YOU'RE TELLING ME SHE DID NOT THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? UH, THAT'S CORRECT.
SO SHE MADE A DONATION WITH THE, UH, DREAM THAT SOMEDAY THAT WOULD BECOME MARY'S HOUSE.
I KNOW IT WENT TO HER COUNSEL YEARS AGO AND IT WAS DENIED IF I, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, LONG BEFORE I WAS ON HERE.
WELL, THE ZONING AND THE JOURNAL PLAN WERE CHANGED FOR THAT REASON, I BELIEVE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT EVER GOT BUILT.
OBVIOUSLY IT DIDN'T GET BUILT.
AND MAYBE, UM, ONE OF THE PRESSURES HERE WHO'S BEEN WITH IN THE PARISH FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, BUT MAYBE HE CAN SPEAK TO THAT POSSIBLY.
I THINK SCOTT WAS KIND OF NODDING AND, YEAH.
DO YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING SCOTT? I'M SORRY.
WELL, ACTUALLY WE'LL GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT IN A MINUTE.
RIGHT NOW I'M STILL THE DEVELOPER.
YEAH, I THINK HE WAS GONNA, I THINK HE WAS GONNA ANSWER A QUESTION THOUGH.
I KNOW, BUT WE GOTTA GO THROUGH THE PROTOCOL.
IF I MAY ASK ONE, ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION.
I KNOW YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE, YOU ARE LOOKING AT OTHER SITES.
I BELIEVE THAT WAS A QUESTION I WAS ASKED BY COUNCILMAN MURANO.
HOW MANY OTHER SITES ARE BEING DEVELOPED IN ORANGE COUNTY CURRENTLY? FIVE.
WE'RE IN PLANNING STAGES AND ENTITLEMENT LIKE WE ARE HERE.
NOTHING'S BEING PHYSICALLY BUILT YET.
I WANNA BE VERY CLEAR WITH YOU THAT ANSWER THAT, UH, THAT LEADS TO ANOTHER QUESTION.
SO FIVE OUT OF HOW MANY PIECES OF PROPERTY THAT ARE ABLE TO BE BUILT ON? WELL, THE DIOCESE IS LOOKING AT EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY AND DETERMINING WHERE THE, THE, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE FOR HOUSING, WHETHER THAT BE, LIKE, IN THIS CASE IT'S, IT'S A FALLOW PIECE OF LAND.
IT'S, IT'S NOT BEING UTILIZED.
UM, AND THAT, THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND, AND WE HAVE A SITE IN IRVINE WHERE THERE'S NOT A CHURCH BUILT.
SO WE'RE GONNA BUILD HALF RESIDENTIAL AND HALF A NEW CHURCH.
WE HAVE ANOTHER SITE IN SANTA ANA WHERE WE'RE, WE'RE HELPING THE, THE PARISH PURCHASE ENOUGH PROPERTY TO MAKE A, A PROPERTY BIG ENOUGH FOR THE CHURCH AND HAVING A PIECE OF THAT BE RESIDENTIAL AS WELL.
AGAIN, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMIC ENGINE TO HELP ALL THIS STUFF HAPPEN.
ANY PROPERTIES IN SOUTH ORANGE COUNTY THAT ARE BEING, UH, CONSIDERED THE SAME WAY.
UM, WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME, BUT NONE THAT ARE ACTIVE.
IRVINE IS SORT OF ALMOST SOUTH ORANGE COUNTY, BUT MORE CENTRAL, NOWHERE FURTHER SOUTH THAN IRVINE THEN ARE BEING AFFECTED LIKE THIS.
AND ONE LAST QUESTION, UM, IN THE DESIGN PROCESS, WHY WASN'T, UH, THIRD STREET USED AS THE EXIT INSTEAD OF WALKER? THERE'S,
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THERE'S LEGAL ACCESS FROM WALKER ONTO THE PROPERTY.UM, WE HAVE OFFERED AND HAVE, AND GET INCLUDED IN THE PLAN A EMERGENCY VEHICLE VEHICLE ACCESS UP TO THIRD STREET.
UM, BUT FRANKLY, LOOKING AT THAT, WE CONSIDERED THAT.
WE HEARD THAT FROM SOME RESIDENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY MEETING.
UM, ALL WE'RE REALLY DOING IS JUST PUTTING TRAFFIC ONTO THIRD STREET.
THAT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR WALKER.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL THE SAME.
UM, WE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAID THEY DIDN'T NEED THE ACCESS.
WE FELT THAT REALLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO WAS TO HAVE THAT, THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS JUST IN CASE THERE WAS AN ISSUE.
AND WE'RE PUTTING A WATER LINE THERE, UM, TO HELP BENEFIT THE NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WATER LINE THAT CIRCULATES US RIGHT NOW.
IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN DEAD END FOR 72 YEARS THERE.
AND WATER QUALITY'S NOT GREAT.
THIS IS GONNA MAKE THAT BETTER.
ARE THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND WE WILL HEAR, UH, WE WILL NOW ASK THE PUBLIC, ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO IS, UH, WOULD WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD AND PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ESPINOZA AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS FATHER WILLIAM GOLDEN AND I'M THE PAROCHIAL ADMINISTRATOR OF OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE CHURCH.
SO MY ADDRESS IS 900 WEST LAHABRA BOULEVARD.
AND AS WE ALL KNOW, OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE PARISH HAS BEEN AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA SINCE 1947.
OUR PARISH AND OUR PARISHIONERS PROVIDE INNUMERABLE SERVICES AND SUPPORT NOT ONLY TO CATHOLICS, BUT ALSO IN OUTREACH MINISTRIES.
SCOTT MILLER IS VERY MUCH INVOLVED WITH THAT, AND WE ARE DELIGHTED TO BE A PART OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA AND CONTINUE TO BE A PART OF IT FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
THIS APARTMENT PROJECT WILL PROVIDE FUNDING TO SUPPORT THE CHURCH AND ITS GOOD WORKS FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS.
OUR PROJECT RECEIVED A UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THIS CITY.
THE PROJECT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S ZONING AND GENERAL PLAN.
THE PROJECT WILL PROVIDE 21 FAMILIES WITH A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO CALL HOME IN OUR GREAT CITY.
WE WILL BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR AND THIS PROJECT WILL BE A GREAT NEIGHBOR BOTH TO THE CHURCH AND OUR NEIGHBORS.
AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT THIS PROJECT BE SUPPORTED AS A WONDERFUL PROJECT FOR OUR CITY.
IF, IS THERE ANYONE WISHING ELSE TO, TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT? PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ESPINOZA AND COUNSEL.
MY NAME IS SCOTT MILLER, 1171 CITRUS DRIVE IN LAHABRA.
I'M CURRENTLY THE INTERIM BUSINESS MANAGER AND DIRECTOR OF OUTREACH FOR OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE CHURCH.
IT WILL PROVIDE A SUSTAINABLE REVENUE STREAM FOR OUR PARISHS TO DO THE WORKS THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS BENEFIT OUR DIOCESE OF ORANGE THAT FULLY SUPPORTS AND HAS RECENTLY BEEN REALLY SUPPORTING OUR OWN IMPROVEMENTS AND UPGRADES TO OUR PROPERTY AT 900 WEST LAVER BOULEVARD.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT? ALL RIGHT, SEE NONE THEN.
I WILL ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROPOSED POD PROJECT TO PLEASE COME FORWARD TO THE PODIUM OR PROVIDE US WITH THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS AGAIN.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE PROPOSED POD PROJECT? YES.
I LIVE AT 1000 WEST LA HOVER BOULEVARD.
IT IS THE CORNER HOUSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE STREET, UM, UH, WEST SIDE.
AND, UM, I, MY UNDERSTANDING THE EXEMPTION 32 DOESN'T EXEMPT, UH, IT'S, IT'S DEPENDENT ON TRAFFIC, UH, MINIMAL ENVIRONMENTAL TRAFFIC, UM, DISTURBANCES OR WHATEVER.
AND THEY NEVER DID A TRAFFIC REPORT.
THEY REZONED THE PROPERTIES FOR THE CHURCH AND THEY DIDN'T REZONE AND SEE IF THEY HAD ENOUGH, UM, UM, PARKING SPACES NOW BECAUSE THEY'RE CUTTING THE PROPERTY UP AND THEN THEY DIDN'T SPECIFY IF THEY'RE STILL GONNA USE THE, THE SCHOOL AND WHAT THAT'S GONNA HAVE ON, UM, THE NEIGHBOR, THE IMPACT IT'S GONNA HAVE ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN NONE OF THAT.
AND IT'S, UM, IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON THAT, UM, EXEMPTION, UM, IF IT'S NOT GONNA IMPACT THE RESIDENTS.
SO MY QUESTION IS, UM, ARE WE GONNA HAVE A TRAFFIC STUDY? UH, COULD WE ANSWER THAT QUESTION? UH, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE.
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OF A TRAFFIC STUDY, UH, A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS PERFORMED, UM, AND THE CRITERIA THAT IT HAD TO MEET, ONE OF THE CRITERIA THAT IT HAD TO MEET WAS THAT, UH, IT WAS NOT IN EXCESS OF 200 DAILY TRIPS.UM, AND THE TRAFFIC GENERATED FROM THIS PROJECT WILL BE ABOUT 151 DAILY TRIPS.
UH, ALSO, UM, IN TERMS OF PEAK HOUR TRIPS, UH, THERE'S A CRITERIA OF NOT EXCEEDING 50.
UH, THIS PROJECT GENERATES 22 BETWEEN MORNING AND EVENING PEAK HOUR TRIPS.
SO IT'S ROUGHLY HALF OF, UH, LESS THAN HALF OF, UH, WHAT THE CRITERIA WOULD BE.
THAT WOULD KICK IT UP TO ANOTHER LEVEL OF TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WOULD LOOK AT LEVEL OF SERVICE IMPACTS.
AND BEFORE THAT WOULD KICK IT UP TO ANOTHER LEVEL OF SOME OTHER TYPE OF ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW.
SO TRAFFIC STUDY WAS PERFORMED, IT WAS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, THE RESULTS OF THAT, AND THAT WAS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE, UM, UH, THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW AS WELL.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THIS PROJECT? PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
NOW, MIND YOU, I SAID FIFTH, I'M NOT ON MARIAN, BUT I KNOW WHAT HAPPENS ON MARIAN AND I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY.
UM, I HAD A FAMILY MEMBER THAT, UM, HAD A MEDICAL EMERGENCY.
HE'S HAD IT LIKE TWO YEARS AGO, AND I STILL GET EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT.
UM, I WAS CALLED THAT SOMETHING WAS HAPPENING TO MY SON, SO I WENT, I HAD TO PARK TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM WHERE THEY LIVED BECAUSE CARS WERE PARKED ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.
THIS IS FIVE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, SO THERE'S CARS THERE, AND THE FIRE TRUCK WAS BLOCKING.
HE JUST GOT ENOUGH ROOM TO GET, GET IN THERE, OKAY? FOR THEM TO GET OUT.
HIS MOTHER-IN-LAW HAD TO MOVE HER CAR OUT OF THE DRIVEWAY SO THE PARAMEDIC COULD GO IN THERE SO HE COULD GET OUT.
AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO ROOM.
YOU GOT TWO CARS PARKED ON THE CURB AND ONLY ONE CAR CAN GO.
THAT'S A LAWSUIT IN THE FUTURE.
OKAY? ANOTHER TIME I PARKED MYSELF ON, ON MARION 'CAUSE I WENT TO A FUNERAL.
UM, I ASKED SOMEBODY IF I COULD GO WITH HIM.
SO WE WENT TO THE GRAVE SITE, WE WENT TO THE RECEPTION.
HE DROPPED ME OFF AT MY CAR ON MARION.
HE WAS ABLE TO PARK IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I WATCHED.
AND SO HE COULDN'T GET ONTO MARION TO GO NORTH BECAUSE THERE'S A CAR COMING.
AND SO HE WAITED FOR THAT CAR TO GO BY.
THEN HE APPROACHED THE HABER BOULEVARD.
THERE'S A CAR TRYING TO GET IN.
WELL, GUESS WHAT? YOU CAN'T, THERE'S CARS PARKED ON THE CURB AND THEN SOMEBODY CAN'T GO IN BECAUSE HE'S TRYING TO GET OUT.
OKAY, WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF THERE'S A FIRE? THE FIRE TRUCKS ARE GONNA TRY TO GET IN AND EVERYBODY'S TRYING TO GET OUT.
YOUR PURPOSE IS TO PROTECT US.
THAT'S NOT EVEN HAPPENING TO THE RESIDENTS ON MARIAN.
IT'S ONLY GONNA GET WORSE IF WALKER GETS OPEN AND ALL THE TRAFFIC HAS TO GO ON ION.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO TELL YOU.
I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A RIDICULOUS SITUATION.
I BELIEVE THAT THE DIOCESE HAS TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN ENTRANCE AND EXIT ON THEIR PROPERTY, NOT THE OVERFLOW TO GO ON MARION.
SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS WE'RE THEY'RE NOT BEING PROTECTED.
HELLO, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL? OH, I'M SLIGHTLY TALLER.
UM, MY NAME'S CRYSTAL WALRUS AND I LIVE AT 9 81 WALKER AVE.
SO I AM ON THAT LITTLE SPUR OF WALKER.
UM, I AGREE WITH THE SAFETY CONCERNS.
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WHO'S DRIVEN DOWN MARIAN AND WALKER AND THIRD HAS SEEN THE LEVEL OF IMPACT, UM, ON ANY REGULAR DAY OF, UM, PARKING ALONG THE CURBS.AND THEN, UH, CHURCH TRAFFIC ESPECIALLY, UM, WHICH IS GREATLY HEIGHTENED ON DAYS WHERE THE CHURCH HAS ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES OCCURRING.
UM, AND WE ARE EVEN MORE IMPACTED BY, UH, CHURCHGOERS NOT WANTING TO DEAL WITH THE INS AND OUTS OF THE CHURCH PARKING LOT AND PARKING ON OUR STREETS.
ADDITIONALLY, UM, IT WAS MENTIONED THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS DONE, A TRAFFIC MODEL WAS RUN USING A BLACK BOX FROM NOT AROUND HERE, UM, DOING CALCULATIONS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD IMPACT OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE EBBS AND FLOWS OF THE CHURCH DYNAMICS AND THE CHURCH TRAFFIC.
IT DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MULTI-FAMILY HOUSEHOLDS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR STREET.
AND IT CERTAINLY DID NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH FIRE HAVING TO, IF THEY COME DOWN, WALKER BACK UP INTO A DRIVEWAY TO TURN AROUND.
WE HAVE AGING MEMBERS IN THE COMMUNITY.
WE HAVE CHILDREN, SORRY,
AND I THINK I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU ALL AS CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, UM, YOUR DUTY TO PROACTIVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR CITIZENS AND OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? HELLO, MAYOR? YES, CITY COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS ELIZABETH FARINO AND I'VE LIVED, UM, I LIVE AT 1000 WESTLAW HARBOR BOULEVARD.
SO IT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE STREET GOING IN.
I'VE LIVED THERE SINCE 1981 AND I'VE JUST SEEN EVERYTHING GET WORSE, WORSE AND WORSE AND WORSE.
UH, THE TRAFFIC IS REALLY BAD IF THE CHURCHES ARE BUILT.
THE CHURCH IS BUILDING ALL THE, UM, THESE HOUSING, THEY HAVEN'T EVEN CONTROLLED THEIR OWN PARKING AND, UM, CAR SITUATION EVERY SINGLE DAY.
UH, THE OTHER DAY I WAS COMING IN THROUGH THE HARBOR BOULEVARD TRYING TO MAKE A RIGHT.
THERE WAS A CAR PARKED IN THAT LITTLE SPACE, AND I HAVE PICTURES, THE LITTLE SPACES THAT WHERE YOU HAVE, UH, THE HANDICAP GO AND THAT LITTLE SPACE.
I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LAW THAT PASSED IN JANUARY THAT YOU COULDN'T PARK A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF, OF FOOTAGE ON A CROSSWALK OR IN A CROSSWALK.
UH, WE, WE HAVE TWO CARS ON EACH CORNER AND THE SPACE IS BARELY ENOUGH FOR, AND THERE'S NO ROOM IF THERE'S A PEDESTRIAN.
YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IF THE, IF YOU'RE COMING OUT OF, UM, MARION AND TO MAKE A RIGHT OR TO A LEFT, YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE IF THERE'S PEDESTRIANS COMING BECAUSE IT'S A HAZARD.
THE STREET IS SO NARROW, LIKE THEY WERE SAYING, YOU CAN'T PARK ANY, ANY STREETS.
YOU HAVE TO WAIT PHYSICALLY, WAIT FOR ONE CAR TO GO, SO THE OTHER ONE CAN GO PAST THE, UH, UH, GOING AND COMING TRAFFIC.
SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW, IF THEY'RE BUILDING ALL THESE BUILDINGS AND THEY'RE GONNA MAKE ALL THIS MONEY, WELL THEN GET A, A BUILDING STRUCTURE.
WHY DON'T THEY, YOU KNOW, A BUILDING STRUCTURE SO THEY DON'T IMPACT US.
AND THEN THE SAME THING IS FIND, FIND ANOTHER WAY OUT.
WHY DOES IT ALWAYS HAVE TO BE WITH US THAT, UM, THE DIOCESE HAS A HOUSE AND IT'S ACROSS THE STREET FROM OUR HOUSE.
THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN VACANT FOR SO LONG, THEY RENT IT OUT OR THEY LET THE, UM, GARY CENTER USE IT.
IF THEY NEED MONEY, WHY DON'T THEY FIX IT AND RENT IT OUT? THAT HOUSE HAS BROUGHT RATS.
WE'VE HAD RATS IN OUR HOUSE BECAUSE THEY JUST USE IT AS STORAGE.
IF THEY WANT THE INCOME, THAT'S A HOUSE.
IT'S BEEN THERE, SUPPOSEDLY IT BELONGS TO THE CHURCH.
WHAT ARE THEY DOING? THEY JUST LET THE GARY CENTER BORROW IT.
BUT THEN WE'RE IMPACTED BECAUSE IT, IT GETS OVERGROWN.
PEOPLE COME AND GO DROP STUFF OFF AND IT'S, IT'S, THEY LET IT GO.
THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS.
COME AND LIVE AT MY HOUSE AND YOU'LL SEE THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS.
IS THERE ANYONE WHERE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
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GOOD EVENING, UH, TO Y'ALL.UM, MY NAME'S JOSE FLORES AND I LIVE DIRECTLY NEXT TO THIS PLANNED PROJECT IN NINE 60.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON THE RECORD SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED THAT I HAD CLARIFIED BEFORE.
UM, UH, THE GENTLEMAN DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND SPOKE ABOUT SOME OF THE CONCERNS.
AND MY BIGGEST QUESTION THERE IN THAT TIME WAS ALSO THIRD STREET AS AN ENTRANCE AND EXIT.
MAYBE YOU'D HAVE ABOUT 60 HOMES LESS AFFECTED.
UM, I ALSO COME ON BEHALF OF MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET WHO'S ELDERLY.
AND HIS CONCERN WAS THAT WE HAVE, UM, DIRT THAT'S POSSIBLY GONNA BE MOVED AND WE'RE AFRAID FOR OUR FOUNDATIONS, FOR BOTH OF OUR HOMES DIRECTLY NEXT TO THE PROJECT.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS STATED WAS THAT I WAS GONNA GET CERTAIN TREES, MAYBE PUT ON THE PROPERTY.
I THINK I WAS PROMISED A HIGHER MATURE TREE, LIKE A HIGHER HEIGHT.
SO JUST IF THAT COULD BE PUT ON THE RECORD.
ANOTHER THING WAS, I THINK I HAVE SIX HOMES THAT ARE LOOKING INTO MY HOME NOW FOR NOW AND EVER I MOVED INTO THAT RESIDENCE AND I'M COMPLETELY CONFLICTED BECAUSE I WANTED MY SON TO GO TO OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE AND HE DID AMAZING, UH, EDUCATION AND, AND I LOVE THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT AND I LOVE THE CHURCH FOR THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WAS A BALCONY, UH, BALCONIES.
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE FACING INTO MY HOUSE ADDITIONALLY FROM THE WINDOWS, I MEAN BALCONIES ONTO MY PROPERTY.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA BE THAT ON THE RECORD.
AND, UM, I INVITE MY NEIGHBORS TO COME UP AND SPEAK IF THEY HAVE ANY CONCERNS.
ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS THAT I BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST, AND IF ANYBODY'S WATCHING AND THEY LOST, YOU KNOW, THEIR DAUGHTER DURING SOME OF THESE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS THAT THEY'VE HAD AT LAHABRA HIGH SCHOOL, SOME OF THE STUDENTS THAT WERE INVOLVED ARE CONDOLENCES TO THOSE POOR PEOPLE.
UM, I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST THAT IF THIS PROJECT GOES IN, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE YOUR STUDIES AND YOU HAVE YOUR RULES, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK A LIGHT, UH, SIGNAL, UH, TRAFFIC LIGHT AT THE EXIT THERE ON MARY AND LAHABRA BOULEVARD WOULD BE SOMETHING TO DEFINITELY CONSIDER.
UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LIGHTED UH, CROSSWALK THERE, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE SO, UH, IMPORTANT FOR EVERYBODY.
I KNOW, FATHER, GOD BLESS YOU, AND GOD BLESS OUR COMMUNITY, UH, SAYS THEY WANT TO BE GOOD CITIZENS.
JUST LIKE MY NEIGHBORS HAVE SAID IN THE PAST.
UM, SNEAK OUT OF MASS MAYBE, UH, 10 MINUTES BEFORE, PASS IT ON IF YOU COULD.
AND JUST TO SEE THE TRAFFIC AND TO SEE THAT SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT DRIVE OUT NOW THAT SPEAKS VERY HIGHLY OF FATHER AND AND THE NEW PRIEST WE GOT RIGHT FROM THE CHRIST CATHEDRAL, THAT HE'S VERY LIKED AND BRINGING PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER ORANGE COUNTY TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS GREAT.
THE MORE PEOPLE WE HAVE, UH, BLESSING OUR COMMUNITY, THE BETTER.
BUT SOMETIMES IT, THE TRAFFIC IS RIDICULOUS THERE.
AND, UH, I I THINK WE'VE EXTENDED MASS, UH, DIFFERENT TIMES OR DIFFERENT HOURS, UH, THAT, THAT'S REALLY ALL I WANT TO SAY IS I'M THE VOICE OF A FEW OF US.
I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONES THAT IS MOST IMPACTED BY THIS PROJECT.
UM, PLEASE TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MAYBE, UH, THAT TRAFFIC SIGNAL AND THE VOICES OF THE REST OF OUR COMMUNITY MEMBERS HERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT ONE 10 SOUTH MARION NEAR LAHABRA BOULEVARD.
AND I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE TRAFFIC, THE SAFETY, THE IMPACT.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST THE HOUSING.
I MEAN IT, IT'S GREAT, BUT IT'S GONNA BRING MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT STREET.
THERE'S ONLY ONE IN AND ONE OUT.
I MEAN, HAVE THEY CONSIDER COMING THROUGH THEIR CHURCH THROUGH THEIR DRIVEWAYS INSTEAD OF MARION STREET? I MEAN, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY AND I AM IMPACTED WITH THE TRAFFIC EVERY SUNDAY.
AND I UNDERSTAND BECAUSE I MEAN, IF YOU TRY TO COME IN OR LEAVE DURING MASS HOURS, IT'S HARD.
SO WE HAVE TO KEEP AN EYE ON OUR TIME.
OH, LET'S LEAVE RIGHT BEFORE THEY EXIT OR LET'S COME IN RIGHT AFTER THEY, I MEAN, SO THOSE ARE THE LITTLE, THOSE ARE THE IMPACTS.
BUT I'M THINKING THERE'S GONNA BE 20 MORE HOUSING.
HOW MANY CARS WOULD THAT BE? MORE THAN 40 SOMETHING VISITORS.
I MEAN, AS THERE IS, I HAVE AN AUNT THAT LIVES RIGHT ON MARION STREET DOWN THE STREET, AND IF I TRY TO GO TO HER HOUSE, I CANNOT PARK ON THE STREET.
SO I CAN JUST IMAGINE THE IMPACT
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WITH MORE APARTMENTS IN THERE.IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? I WOULD ASK IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE HAVE ONE MORE COMING UP.
UH, I GREW UP ON THE PROPERTY ON OUR LADY GUADALUPE, SPENT PROBABLY MORE THAN A THIRD OF MY LIFE GOING TO SCHOOL THERE WITH MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE PALACIOS, THE MORENOS, THE HERNANDEZ IS, SO I KNOW THE AREA VERY, YOU KNOW, INTIMATELY, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY.
SO MY CONCERN WAS DEFINITELY THE TRAFFIC.
SO WHAT I DID WAS I SAT OUTSIDE SEVERAL MASSES AND ESPECIALLY, UM, ASH WEDNESDAY.
AND I WENT TO THE EIGHT O'CLOCK, THE 12 O'CLOCK, THE THREE O'CLOCK, AND THE SEVEN O'CLOCK WHILE THE EIGHT O'CLOCK DIDN'T SHOW ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN PAR IN CARS COMING THROUGH MARION THE NOON, UM, MASS, WE GOT THERE 15 MINUTES BEFORE WHEN WE STAYED, 15 MINUTES AFTER WAS 25 CARS WENT DOWN.
TH THREE O'CLOCK WAS 42 CARS WENT DOWN MARION.
AND THEN AT SEVEN O'CLOCK THERE WAS 70 CARS.
CARS WENT DOWN MARION BY 6 45, 60 CARS HAD GONE DOWN.
MARION IN ADDITION TO THE 70 BY SEVEN O'CLOCK, 4 24 CARS HAD GONE DOWN IN THAT FROM SEVEN O'CLOCK TO SEVEN 15.
SO ALTOGETHER 154 CARS WENT DOWN MARION JUST FOR ASH WEDNESDAY FOR SEVEN O'CLOCK.
SO AFTER WE WERE DONE, WE LEFT 20 MINUTES AFTER THE, THE ARRIVAL OF SEVEN O'CLOCK.
WE WENT THROUGH THE PARKING LOT OF THE CHURCH.
SO THEY'RE NOT UTILIZING THEIR WHOLE OWN APARTMENT, THEIR OWN PARKING SPACES.
SO WE SAT THERE THE WHOLE TIME.
WE COUNTED PARISHIONERS ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU'LL BE SHOCKED AT THE NUMBER OF PARISHIONERS THAT CROSSED THE STREET FROM THE LA HABRA HIGH SCHOOL AREA.
UH, CROSSING LA HABRA BOULEVARD, 164 PEOPLE CROSSED LA HARBOR BOULEVARD TO GET TO MASS AT THE SEVEN O'CLOCK MASS.
WITHIN 20 MINUTES, WE WITNESSED FOUR PEOPLE ALMOST GET HIT IN THE CROSSWALK.
AND WE SAW FOUR PEOPLE JAYWALK FROM ACROSS LA HARBOR BOULEVARD, CLOSE TO THE, THE, UM, THE GAS STATION.
THOSE ARE A LOT OF NUMBERS, GUYS.
SO MY THING IS I WANT THE SCHOOL TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR PARKING.
AND WE CAN ASK THEM TO BE GOOD STEWARDS AND UTILIZE THEIR OWN PARKING, HAVE A CROSSWALK, SOMEBODY TO HELP IN THE CROSSWALK, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE STEWARDS ON THE STREET OF MARION TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE PARKING ON MARION AND THEY DIRECT THE CARS BACK INTO THE, THE, THE PROPERTY OR TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING PARKING COMING THROUGH, UM, LA HARBOR BOULEVARD ONTO THE PROPERTY.
WE ALL KNOW HOW THIS GOES WITH ANY KIND OF EVENT.
WE ALL HAVE DONE THIS, RIGHT? IT'S FIESTA, UM, CITRUS FAIR, ALL OF THESE THINGS.
AND WE ALL HAVE AGREEMENTS IF WE KNOW THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
WE HAVE AGREEMENTS WITH THE CITY AND WE TRY AND SET THAT UP.
WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE WITH AASA.
WE'VE DONE THAT BEFORE ACTUALLY WITH THESE EVENTS WITH OLG.
WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAD, UM, EXPLORERS COME OUT AND HELP WITH, UM, THE TRAFFIC, GETTING PEOPLE ACROSS.
WHAT I'M ASKING IS FOR OLG TO BE GOOD STEWARDS AND TO CREATE A, A PROGRAM SO THAT THE, THE COMMUNITY FEELS SAFE TO CROSS THERE.
AND FROM DOING THIS, WHAT I DISCOVERED WAS THERE WAS A KID THAT WAS HIT NOT EVEN A COUPLE FEET FROM THE SCHOOL.
IT WAS ON MONTE VISTA ON THE HARBOR BOULEVARD, NOT EVEN TWO MONTHS AGO.
WHAT ARE WE DOING APPROVING THIS AND NOT PUTTING SOME KIND OF SAFETY MEASURES FOR THE SCHOOL? THAT'S ONE.
AND MY LAST ONE IS WE DID A LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT AND I KNOW THAT THE SCHOOL OWNED THE PROPERTY FROM THE BACK WALL TO THE RAILROAD TRACKS.
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT LAST PROPERTY WHEN WE DID THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT? DOES THE GUADALUPE PARK ABSORB INTO THE CITY? WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT ALSO? SO THOSE ARE THINGS I HOPE YOU GUYS CONSIDER TONIGHT.
MAYBE WE CONTINUE THIS PROJECT AND RAKE OUT THE, THE PARKING ISSUES AND TRAFFIC ISSUES AND COME BACK THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, UNACCEPTABLE TO ASK FOR.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ALL RIGHT, I WOULD ASK, UH, YOU ONE MORE.
DO YOU HAVE ONE MORE? I THINK SHE'S COMING UP.
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SOUTH MARION STREET.AND I WOULD LIKE TO BRING AWARENESS TO THE FACT THAT THE CHURCH DOES NOT BRING RESPONSIBILITY WHEN IT COMES TO THEIR PARKING.
UM, EVERY SUNDAY THE CHURCH GOERS LIKE TO PARK ON THE STREETS OF MARIAN AND LEAVING ME AND MY VISITORS NOT TO COME TO MY HOUSE BECAUSE THERE'S NO PARKING AT ALL FOR THEM TO COME IN.
UM, ANOTHER THING IS THAT SINCE CHURCH, THERE'S MANY MASSES THROUGHOUT THE DAY ON SUNDAY, IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME TO LEAVE MY PROPERTY OR TO ENTER MY DRIVEWAY DURING THOSE HOURS BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC THAT IS CAUSED FROM CHURCH IS ONGOING.
AND IT'S CONSISTENTLY FOR A COUPLE OF, I WOULD SAY, 30 MINUTES.
AND THAT GOES ON THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DAY, MAKING IT VERY HARD FOR ME TO LEAVE MY PROPERTY.
UM, I THINK THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY DURING THAT TIME, UH, THE 9 1 1 OR THE AMBULANCES WILL HAVE A HARD TIME COMING IN SINCE I ALREADY HAVE A HARD TIME LEAVING MY PROPERTY.
SO I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER THIS AS A REASON TO NOT APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.
I'D, I'D LIKE TO ALLOW THE APPLICANT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE, UH, A REBUTTAL TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS OR ISSUES BROUGHT UP.
AND THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UH, A COUPLE, UH, JUST SPECIFIC THINGS.
ONE, IN TERMS OF TRAFFIC, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS HERE TONIGHT, IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, LIKE, TRUST ME, I CANNOT ANSWER THOSE.
UM, BUT HE'S AVAILABLE IF YOU'VE GOT SOME TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
UM, MR. FLORES, WHO'S BEEN WONDERFUL, UM, BROUGHT UP THE BALCONIES.
AND, AND SO THEY'RE JUST ORNAMENTAL BALCONIES AND YOU CAN SEE THEM ON THE THING.
AND SO THERE, THERE ARE FOUR HOMES THAT BACK UP TO HIS PROPERTY.
WE ARE PUTTING, UM, POTTA, CARPAS, FERNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH.
WE'RE PLANTING 24 INCH BOX, WHICH WILL START OUT AT, I THINK IT'S EIGHT TO NINE FEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT WILL PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, GREAT PRIVACY.
WE DO UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT TO HIM AND, AND, AND HONOR THAT.
IN FACT, I HAD REACHED OUT AND ASKED IF HE WANTED THAT THE PLANTING ON HIS PROPERTY INSTEAD.
AND HE PREFERRED IT ON OURS 'CAUSE HE'S GOT CEMENT, WHICH IS NO PROBLEM AT ALL.
UH, LASTLY, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT.
THE LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT JUST SIMPLY CREATED A LEGAL PARCEL WHERE THIS IS GONNA BE, IT DID NOT CREATE ADDITIONAL PROPERTIES AND IT DID NOT CHANGE THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY BOUNDARIES.
IT RELATES TO THE, TO THE PARK.
SO I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE.
UM, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM AVAILABLE? AND AS I MENTIONED, UM, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER ENGINEERS HERE, IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS.
I, I, WELL, I HAVE, AM I ALLOWED TO ASK A QUESTION? YOU'RE THE MAYOR.
I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, I YOU'RE THE PROBLEM.
MAYOR, MAYOR, YOU CAN ASK WHEN YOU WANNA ASK.
YOU MAY SAY, AS MAYOR PROTE MIGHT SAY, YES,
UM, THERE IS NO BALCONY, BUT THERE IS A WINDOW OUT THERE FACING THAT AREA, CORRECT? YES.
SO IT MIGHT AS WELL BE A BALCONY, A WINDOW OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE, UH, YEAH, IF YOU CAN PUT THIS, WE, THE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB AND ASKED US FOR A CROSS SECTION SO WE COULD UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT.
UM, AND, AND THERE'S, THERE'S A, SO THE SORT OF SMALLER, UM, FERN INSIDE THE BIGGER ONE IS WHAT WE EXPECT IT TO BE WHEN WE PLANT IT.
AND THEN THEY GROW VERY, I THINK THEY GROW, UH, ONE TO TWO FEET PER YEAR.
AND IT'LL BE A SOLID WALL THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THERE.
SO IT SHOULD PROVIDE REALLY WONDERFUL PRIVACY.
DESERVES COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ.
YOU CAN ASK A QUESTION TO, YES.
UM, REAL QUICK HERE, UH, I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.
I GUESS I'LL WAIT FOR THE DISCUSSION.
I DON'T HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I WANTED DISCUSSION.
YEAH'S ONE, THE LONG DISCUSSION.
I, I, WELL, I, I KNOW, UH, YEAH, UH, THE GENTLEMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND ALL THAT STUFF, AND I STARTED THINKING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE REASON PEOPLE LEAVE COMMUNION RIGHT AFTER COMMUNION.
'CAUSE THEY WANNA GET OUT BEFORE THE TRAFFIC STARTS BUILDING UP.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I OBSERVED.
ANYONE ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO ASK? UH, COUNCIL MEMBER LAKIN ACT.
ACTUALLY, I'M GONNA WAIT FOR COMMENT.
UH, WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL CALL, ASK FOR COUNCIL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION, AND OR ACTION.
MAD MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO JUMP AHEAD, IF I MAY, WITH APOLOGIES.
'CAUSE I DO WANNA ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY QUESTION THAT COULD BE GERMANE TO EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.
SO, AND THIS IS SUCH A TOUGH SITUATION FOR ME PERSONALLY, AND I KNOW FOR THE WHOLE COUNCIL, BECAUSE I THINK THIS ENTIRE COUNCIL IS EXTRAORDINARILY SENSITIVE TO TRAFFIC, WHICH IS TERRIBLE IN THE CITY OF LA HABRA.
SAFETY AND SECURITY IS ANOTHER THING THAT'S HUGE FOR THE ENTIRE COUNCIL, NOT THE LEAST OF WHICH FOR THE THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH LEO BACKGROUNDS.
THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN VETTED BY LA COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT AND
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BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE FACING HERE IS, AS I JUST GOT THROUGH SAYING, NOT LONG AGO, WE REALLY PERSONALLY DON'T NEED ANOTHER HOUSE IN LA HABRA, BUT WE HAVE TO ZONE FOR 804 WITHIN THAT EIGHT YEAR PERIOD.
NOW, THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY IS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A PROJECT THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED WHERE ALL THE IMPACTS ARE MITIGATED, AND THERE IS, AND THE, THE PROJECT CONFORMS IN EVERY LEGAL OR TECHNICAL SENSE, MY QUESTION FOR HIM THEN IS, WHAT LIABILITY DO WE FACE? WHAT'S THE HYPOTHETICAL IN OUTCOME OF US SAYING NO WITHOUT GROUNDS? LET ME BEGIN BY SAYING, IF THERE IS, IF, IF YOU MAKE ANY DETERMINATION TO, TO DENY THE PROJECT THAT WITH RESPECT TO THAT LEGAL EXPOSURE, RATHER THAN DISCUSS IT ON THE DIOCESE, I WOULD DISCUSS THAT IN CLOSED SESSION SO WE CAN HAVE A MORE FULL THROATED CONVERSATION ABOUT THE POTENTIAL EXPOSURE.
UH, SECONDLY, WITH RESPECT TO THE PROCESS BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, UH, THIS PROJECT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I'LL DEFER TO STAFF, RESOLVE THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY'S STANDARDS AND THEREFORE MEETS THAT CRITERIA.
IF YOU FEEL YOU DON'T HAVE ADEQUATE INFORMATION, YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO BACK AND ASK THE DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, SUCH AS TRAFFIC OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE.
IF YOU FEEL THAT THERE'S INADEQUATE INFORMATION BEFORE YOU, IF YOU MAKE A DETERMINATION THAT YOU WANT TO DENY THIS PROJECT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE APPROPRIATE FINDINGS AND DIRECT STAFF TO DO SO.
THAT WOULD BEAT THE LEGAL STANDARD BY WHICH, UH, A DENIAL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
THAT I DON'T WANNA EDITORIALIZE WITH RESPECT TO THAT OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT IF THE COUNSEL WANTS TO GO THAT DIRECTION, I WOULD WANNA DISCUSS THAT IN CLOSED SESSION.
SO, I MEAN, THE PROBLEM HERE IS YOU'VE GOT A PROJECT THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH REQUIREMENTS, MEETS ALL THE STANDARDS, COMPLIANT WITH EVERY CODE AND ORDINANCE.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO AUTOMATICALLY PLUNGE THE CITY.
AND THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, INTO A LITIGIOUS SITUATION WITH OLG.
UH, I, I HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT SHOULD THIS PROJECT BE APPROVED, THAT THE CHURCH AND THE DIOCESE WILL MAKE EVERY POSSIBLE HUMANLY AND HEAVENLY EFFORT TO WORK WITH THE FOLKS THAT HAVE SPOKEN ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS AND THEIR FEARS FOR THIS PROJECT, HOW IT'S GONNA LOOK AND FEEL GOING FORWARD.
BUT I'LL SAY IN TERMS OF DELIBERATIONS, THAT I FAVOR THE PROJECT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE A CHOICE, IN MY OPINION.
I, UH, I THINK AS, AS, AS THE MERIT.
IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE, THE HOUSING ON ITS OWN, IT'S A VERY GOOD PROJECT.
THE DEVELOPER WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS.
HOWEVER, I'M VERY CONCERNED WITH THE SURROUNDING AREAS, HAVING BEEN THERE NUMEROUS TIMES.
UH, DROPPING, UH, LAUREN, LAUREN AND HER FRIEND OFF ON WALKER STREET.
IT, YOU CAN, CAN BARELY INCH THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UH, SPEND AN OPPORTUNITY IN CLOSED SESSION TO TALK TO OUR ATTORNEY AS TO WHAT THE LEGAL MODI, UM, RAMIFICATIONS ARE IF WE APPROVE THIS PROJECT.
UH, CONSIDERING THERE'S SOME SAFETY CONCERNS BROUGHT UP BY THE RESIDENTS, AS WELL AS THE FACT THAT UNDER STATE LAW, UM, IT APPEARS THAT THE APPLICANT HAS MET ALL THOSE STANDARDS.
I JUST WANNA HEAR BOTH SIDES OF IT UNDER CLOSED SESSION BEFORE I CAN MAKE A DECISION.
UH, COUNCIL MEMBER
SO, I, I, I WANNA FIRST, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE AND THANK ALL THOSE WHO ATTENDED TODAY TO HEAR BOTH OF THESE MATTERS.
UM, THESE ARE NOT EASY DECISIONS TO MAKE.
UM, THE WHAT YOU PROVIDED TO US WAS RESPECTFUL.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T FIND IN EVERY, UH, CHAMBER IN EVERY CITY.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST THING I WANNA DO.
AND, AND WITH THAT, ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE LISA KATA AND, AND LISA BAKER FOR PROVIDING THEIR WRITTEN, UH, COMMENT.
I ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH IT, READ IT.
AND IN THAT, HEARING THESE CONCERNS AND HEARING SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM THE DEVELOPERS, UH, WHAT MAKES THIS DIFFICULT IS THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO BALANCE STATE LAW, THE CONCERNS OF THE PUBLIC, BUT ALSO RESPECTING SOMEONE'S PROPERTY RIGHTS.
AND IF THAT PERSON IS MEETING ALL OF THE STANDARDS, ALL OF WHAT'S BEING ASKED OF US, WE HAVE TO ASK WHAT IS THERE, WHAT IS THERE FOR US TO DO HERE? UM, I SAY THAT ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT A LOT OF WHAT WAS CONTRIBUTED TO THIS CONVERSATION WERE CONCERNS THAT ARE ACTUALLY, IN SOME CASES, NOT EVEN RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
THESE, IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THERE'S ARE SOME, THERE ARE SOME ONGOING ISSUES THAT ARE OCCURRING, WHETHER THIS DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT OR NOT, WE HAVE SOME CONFLICT IN OUR COMMUNITY IN THAT AREA WITH PARKING.
AND IT'S MY HOPE, AS I SAID EARLIER, COMMUNICATION IS IMPORTANT.
AND I THINK THAT WE, YOU KNOW, AND I'M GONNA HOLD MYSELF ACCOUNTABLE TO THIS AS WELL, THAT MAYBE WE COULD HAVE PROBABLY HAD SOME CONVERSATIONS WELL BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS EVEN BILLED ABOUT
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SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE HAVE.WE HAVE TO COME TOGETHER AND ADDRESS NOT JUST THIS DEVELOPMENT, BUT ALSO THE ISSUES WITH WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN THERE, WELL BEFORE THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS EVEN PROPOSED.
UM, SO I JUST WANNA JUST LEAVE THOSE COMMENTS, UH, JUST, AND, AND, AND, AND HOPING THAT WHATEVER DECISION IS MADE TONIGHT, THAT WE DON'T LOOK AT THIS AS A CLOSING BOOK OR A CLOSING CHAPTER, BUT TO ACTUALLY OPEN UP CONVERSATION TO ADDRESS THINGS THAT ARE STILL GONNA BE THERE EVEN BEFORE OR AFTER, IF THIS, OR IF NOT, THIS DEVELOPMENT'S EVEN BUILT.
UM, I HEAR THAT THERE'S THE TRASH ISSUE AS WHAT WAS WRITTEN IN THE LETTER.
UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXCESSIVE PARKING, MAYBE THE PARKING LOT NOT BEING FULLY UTILIZED.
THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE CAN STILL HAVE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE OUTCOME OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE.
UH, MAYOR PRO TEM, DID YOU HAVE, UH, COMMENTS OR, YEAH, JUST SOME COMMENTS.
UH, JUST TO REITERATE WHAT I SAID EARLIER, WHEN IT CAME TIME TO THE FIRST PROJECT, I WISH I BROUGHT MY HANDCUFFS WITH ME.
UM, BUT, UH, JUST THE SAME IS, UH, IS TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER, UH, UH, LAMPKIN HAD, UH, HAD ALLUDED TO IS THAT THESE ARE THE TOUGH DECISIONS.
BUT, UH, THERE ARE SOME, UH, THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES, UH, THAT GO BEYOND, UH, THAT ARE TRAFFIC ISSUES, UH, AS WELL, TRAFFIC SAFETY ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.
NOW, I WILL SAY THIS, IT WAS A GENTLEMAN AND I, AND I, AND FORGIVE ME BECAUSE I FORGET HIS NAME, WHO LIVES ON MARION, WHO CAME TO US ABOUT PARKING ISSUES A FEW YEARS BACK.
WE TRIED TO, UH, WE TRIED TO HELP HIM OUT WITH THOSE PARKING ISSUES.
THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO AGAIN, OKAY? WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING ISSUES, BECAUSE HERE'S THE THING, REGARDLESS OF WHERE YOU ARE, NOT JUST WITH THIS PROJECT, WITH ANYTHING ELSE, ANYBODY CAN COME AND PARK IN FRONT OF MY HOME AT ANY GIVEN HOUR OF THE DAY DOES NOT MATTER.
UM, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE.
'CAUSE I'VE UPHELD A LAW FOR THE LAST 29 YEARS, ALL RIGHT? AND I'M STILL DOING IT.
IT BECOMES A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE.
ANYBODY CAN PARK IN FRONT OF ANY ONE OF OUR HOMES DURING THE DAY.
WE HAVE A PARKING ORDINANCE HERE IN LAHABRA.
ALL RIGHT? SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE PROPERLY ADDRESS THESE THINGS AND TO GO ALONG WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN LAMPKIN HAD SAID TO PROPERLY ADDRESS 'EM AT SOME POINT IN TIME.
BUT, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I STAND THE SAME AS, AS WHAT I HAD SAID EARLIER, UH, WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE, UH, THE PREVIOUS PROJECT IS THAT THE STATE CONTINUES TO TAKE, UH, UH, TO TAKE AWAY OUR LOCAL CONTROL, UH, WITH VARIOUS ISSUES.
I CAN GO ON AND ON, UH, WITH THAT AS WELL.
BUT THAT'S IT, MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
UH, WE, WE NEED A LOT OF COMMUNICATION AND I'M REQUESTING THAT, UH, IF WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE COUNCIL AT LEAST THREE, UH, THAT WE GO INTO CLOSED SESSION PRIOR TO MAKING ANY DECISIONS.
IS THERE ANY, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER THAT, LET ME, LET ME ARTICULATE WHAT, WHAT YOUR POSITION IS AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
IF THE COUNCIL SO DESIRES TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION, WE CAN DO SO BECAUSE THE POTENTIAL EXPOSURE TO LITIGATION, HOWEVER, TO DO SO REQUIRES A MOTION FROM THE, THE DIOCESE SECOND AND THREE AFFIRMATIVE VOTES TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
SECONDLY, LET ME INDICATE TO YOU, WITH RESPECT TO THE ACTIONS OF COUNCIL THIS EVENING, YOU REALLY HAVE THREE CHOICES.
YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADOPT THIS ORDINANCE THAT'S PRESENTED.
TWO, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO, UH, CONTINUE THIS MATTER AND ASK FOR MORE INFORMATION AND FURTHER INFORMATION THAT MAY AFFORD YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION.
YOU COULD DENY THE PROJECT, THE ORDINANCE, HOWEVER YOU MUST ARTICULATE THEN FINDINGS AND CONCLUSIONS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH, UH, LEGAL CRITERIA, WHICH BY THEIR STANDARDS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE DENIAL OF THE PROJECT.
SO THOSE ARE THE CRITERIA BEFORE YOU.
I'M SORRY, ARE YOU, I WAS GONNA ARTICULATE THE FACT WHY, WHY I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION FURTHER IS I LOOK BACK TO WHAT HAPPENED IN THE FIRES OF LAINA, WHERE THEY HAD ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT.
AND IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFICULT TO EVACUATE THE AREA IN THE LAINA FIRES.
IF I LOOK BACK TO PACIFIC PALISADES, WHERE THEY HAD ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT, AND THERE WAS A TRACTOR THERE, AND THIS LARGE TRACTOR WAS LITERALLY HAVING TO TRY TO MOVE THE VEHICLES OUT OF THE WAY.
AND I COULD SEE A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION ON WALKER STREET AND MARION STREET.
'CAUSE IT'S VERY, VERY NARROW THERE.
MY COMFORT LEVEL'S NOT THERE WHEN IT COMES TO ENTERING IN AND ENTERING OUTTA THIS AREA CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW.
I THINK THERE MAY BE A LIABILITY THERE.
THE ACTUAL PROJECT ITSELF, IT DID A VERY NICE JOB WITHIN THE PROJECT ITSELF.
OR IS THERE ANYONE, IF, IF I MAY ALSO, IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE MORE THING, AND MAYBE I MIGHT BE OUT OF ORDER IN, IN THE RULES HERE.
WE HAVEN'T HAD IN, UH, WE HAVEN'T HEARD INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN POSSIBLY HEAR INPUT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT IF, IF I MAY, COUNCIL MEMBER? 'CAUSE YOU'RE, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY.
THAT EXCEEDS THE BOUNDS OF A CLOSED SESSION TONIGHT WITH REGARD TO LEGAL LIABILITY THAT WOULD REQUIRE MORE INFORMATION FROM LA COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ON THAT.
SO ON THAT BASIS, I'M PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION TO SIMPLY CONTINUE, JUST CONTINUE THAT ADDITIONAL, BEFORE WE GO DOWN THAT
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PATH, WHY DON'T WE ASK THE STAFF TO INDICATE WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, AND SECONDLY, ARTICULATE WHAT THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS ARE WITH RESPECT TO THE ONES ONE ACCESS REQUIREMENT.UM, UH, SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF TOPICS HERE THAT ARE BOTH, UH, UH, SOME OF WHICH ARE OFFSITE, UH, RELATIVE TO CHURCH, UH, PARKING AND CHURCH EVENTS.
I'LL, I'LL LET THE CHURCH SPEAK TO THOSE IF THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY.
UH, THERE APPEARS TO BE AN EXISTING PARKING PROBLEM THAT EXISTS WITHIN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S, UH, AGAIN, UH, A STANDALONE ISSUE.
THE PROJECT AS DESIGNED HAS PROPOSED TO HOUSE ALL OF THE PARKING REQUIRED ON SITE.
UH, THE OTHER THING WITH RESPECT TO THE, UH, FIRE QUESTION THAT WAS JUST ASKED, UH, THIS PROJECT WAS REVIEWED MULTIPLE TIMES BY ORANGE COUNTY FIRE.
UH, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT, UH, THE REASON LIKE LA COUNTY, LA COUNTY, FORGIVE ME.
UM, THE, THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, RECENT FIRES IN LOS ANGELES.
THIS PROJECT, ALL THESE APARTMENTS ARE SPRINKLED, RIGHT? SO THEY, UH, THEY HAVE A FIRE SUPPRESSION, FIRE SAFETY SYSTEM BUILT WITHIN.
THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS DESIGNED, UH, THAT TURNAROUND THAT YOU SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS A REQUIREMENT OF ORANGE COUNTY FIRE, LA COUNTY FIRE, FORGIVE ME, I'M IN ORANGE COUNTY, I KEEP GOING.
AND WE TALK TO LA COUNTY FIRE ALL THE TIME.
UH, IT'S A REQUIREMENT OF LA COUNTY FIRE, UH, 26 WIDE, UH, UH, 26 FOOT WIDE STREETS THAT ARE CLEARED TO THE SKY, UM, TURNAROUNDS, HAMMERHEAD TURNAROUNDS SO THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL NOT HAVE A PROBLEM GETTING IN AND THROUGH THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY WILL ALSO BE INSTALLING ANOTHER FIRE HYDRANT, UM, AS WELL IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR, UH, UH, SAFETY AND FIRE SUPPRESSION AS WELL.
SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE REVIEWED AND REQUIRED AND PUT INTO THE PROJECT BY LA COUNTY FIRE.
UM, AND, UH, THOSE WERE OVER MULTIPLE REVIEWS.
THEY'VE LOOKED AT THIS, THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THEY'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT AND ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS.
I THINK MY CONCERN WAS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF ACCESS IN AND OUT BY, BY EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
AND THEY LOOKED AT THAT AS WELL.
THEY, THEY KNOW THE ROUTES, THEY KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THEY DID LOOK AT THE ACCESS IN, UH, THEY, THE DESIGN FOR THE CUL-DE-SAC WAS PICKED UP BY THEM.
AND AS WELL AS THE DESIGN FOR THE, UH, ENTIRE PROJECTS KIND OF REST WITH, UM, THEIR REQUIREMENTS AS A, UM, UH, A BUFFER.
AND, AND AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE SURE I'M BALANCING THE CONCERNS, WHAT THE CURRENT ISSUES ARE RIGHT NOW WITH, AT MY PENALIZING THIS PROPERTY OWNER FOR WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS THAT IS OUTSIDE THEIR CONTROL, UH, WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
I, I WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE SPARSING THAT.
SO, RIGHT, AND SOMEONE SAID IT EARLIER, I THINK THEY PUT IT PRETTY WELL.
THE PRIOR PROJECT MEETS EVERY, UH, ZONING, UH, STATUTORY REGULAR, UH, REGULATION REQUIREMENT THAT THE CITY HAS.
UH, IN MOST CASES IT EXCEEDS THOSE BY A FAIR, FAIR AMOUNT AS WELL.
UM, AND SO THERE'S, UH, THERE'S NOTHING THAT IS WITHIN THE PROJECT DESIGN THAT DOES NOT MEET CITY STANDARDS OR ZONING REGULATIONS OR TITLE 18.
UH, AND AGAIN, OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE REVIEWED AS WELL.
WE DO HAVE OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER HERE, I THINK THEY HAVE THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
THEY CAN TALK TO THAT BLACK BOX COMMENT THAT WAS MADE AND, AND TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HOW THAT GOES.
BUT, UM, ALL OF THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT.
THE TRACK OF IT HAS BEEN, UH, LOOKED AT.
THERE WAS A STUDY THAT THAT WAS DONE THAT'S INCLUDED, UM, UH, AS WELL.
SO, UM, IF THERE'S OTHER QUESTIONS, I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER THEM.
IF YOU NEED TO EXPOUND ON SOME OF THOSE TOPICS THAT EXIST OUTSIDE OF THE PROJECT, LIKE CHURCH EVENTS AND SOME OF THE PARKING IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THERE'S PEOPLE HERE WHO CAN TALK TO THOSE AS WELL.
MY, MY PERSONAL FEELING IS, AGAIN, MY COMFORT LEVEL IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR DIRECTLY AND ASK THE, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, DIRECT QUESTIONS.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE THIS AND ALSO TALK TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY ENCLO SESSION, UH, REGARDING THIS MATTER.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW, I, I CANNOT SIMPLY APPROVE THIS ITEM THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
I NEED, I NEED TO GET MORE INFORMATION FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS OUR ATTORNEY ENCLO SESSION AT A LATER DATE.
WE WILL GO INTO CLOSED SESSION.
LET, LET ME REPORT OUT A CLOSED SESSION.
UH, WE HAD A CLOSED SESSION WITH THE APPROPRIATE STAFF PRESENT AS WELL.
UH, NO DECISION WAS MADE IN CLOSED SESSION.
ANY DECISION WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE, UH, IN THE PUBLIC FORUM AT A, AS A PART OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS.
SECONDLY, WE DID DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL EXPOSURE TO THE, UH, POTENTIAL FOR LITIGATION AND THE CURRENT STATE OF THE LAW WITH RESPECT TO THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.
AND THAT WAS SO ARTICULATED IN CLOSED SESSION.
AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THE MATTER NOW COMES BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FURTHER DELIBERATION OR DIRECTION.
UM, SO NOW WE'VE HAD THE QUESTION, THE COUNCIL QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION,
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AND ACTION.DO YOU, IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION IN QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? YES, MA'AM.
SO THE FIRST THING I'M GONNA SAY IS, UH, IT'S PRETTY GOOD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THIS, THIS, THIS BREAK.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE STIMULATED BY SOME VERY PASSIONATE CONVERSATION, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE DON'T DO OFTEN ENOUGH IS TAKE A PAUSE TO REALLY REFLECT ON WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED HERE.
SO NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THAT TIME TO DO THAT, UM, WE BRING IT BACK TO WHAT'S AT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WHICH IS THIS DEVELOPMENT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES THAT MANY OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE BOUGHT UP THAT UNFORTUNATELY ARE NOT RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF.
BUT WHAT WE CAN SAY IS, IS THAT THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BREWING, I'M PRETTY SURE FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS, IF NOT YEARS.
AND WE'VE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER, UM, TO THE DEVELOPERS AND TO THE CHURCH.
UH, I HOPE THAT THIS IS A MOMENT FOR YOU TO REALLY SEE THAT WE REALLY HAVE SOME REALLY BIG CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS, UH, THAT GO BEYOND THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT HAS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CAUSED PEOPLE TO HAVE SOME, SOME SEDIMENTS ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT ITSELF, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE, THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES.
THESE ARE SOME CONCERNS THAT THE RESIDENTS FELT LIKE THEY HAVEN'T, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD ON.
AND SO I HOPE, HOPE THAT WE CAN USE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO REACH OUT AND TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
UM, I, I'VE PERSONALLY HEARD FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR CITY STAFF WHO ESSENTIALLY REITERATED SOME OF THE, UM, UH, APPROVALS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT GAVE.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA HEAR ANYTHING DIFFERENT FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, UM, IF WE DELAY THIS.
UM, THEY'VE MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY'VE OFFERED THIS, UH, THIS TURNABOUT, WHICH WAS NOT REQUIRED TO DO, BUT THIS IS WHAT THEY'VE CHOSEN TO DO TO TRY TO ALLEVIATE THAT.
AND I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS CAN EVEN BENEFIT FROM THAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO BACK OUT NOW, THEY CAN GO ALL THE WAY TO THE END OF THE BLOCK, MAKE THE U-TURN.
IT, IT'S, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE THREE POINT TURN INTO SOMEONE ELSE'S DRIVEWAY.
SO THESE ARE JUST THE THINGS THAT, THAT COME TO MIND FOR ME IN, IN, IN, IN MAKING A, A MORE INFORMED DECISION AND HOPE THAT YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE RESIDENTS THERE TO ADDRESS THE OTHER ISSUES NOT RELATED TO THE DEVELOPMENT.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO, UM, DISCUSS? OH, GO AHEAD, MAYOR PROAM MADRAN, OR WHO ELSE? GO AHEAD.
UH, THE SAME, DO YOU REITERATE WHAT, UH, COUNCILMAN LAKIN HAD SAID? YEAH.
THERE, THERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES AND ANYBODY THAT TELLS YOU OTHERWISE, AND I'LL, AND I'LL CAUTION YOU, ANYBODY THAT TELLS YOU OTHERWISE WOULD BE LYING TO YOU.
OKAY? UM, LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE VOTES, UH, WHEN I RAN SIX YEARS AGO, IS TO DO THE JOB OF THE PEOPLE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY WAS NOT EXPOSED TO ADDITIONAL LIABILITY, UH, FOR ANY ONE, UH, ISSUE OR ANY ONE PROJECT.
UH, FORMER PLANNING COMMISSIONER CAN TELL YOU THE SAME THING.
CURRENT PLANNING COMMISSIONERS CAN TELL YOU THE SAME THING.
THIS IS AN ISSUE, UH, THAT, UH, THAT'S ALLOWED.
UH, AND THEY'VE, UH, THEY'VE COMPLIED BY LAW, UH, WITH EVERYTHING THEY'VE HAD TO DO.
BUT I DO WANNA SAY ALSO, UH, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE ARCHDIOCESE, FOR THE, UH, PARISH OF OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE IS TO LISTEN TO GUILLERMO, LISTEN TO THELMA, LISTEN TO CRYSTAL, TO ELIZABETH, TO JOSE, TO JESSE, TO MICHELLE, AND TO RUDY, UH, AND, UH, AND DO THEIR, THEIR ISSUES, UH, BECAUSE THEY ARE, THESE ISSUES ARE GONNA CONTINUE REGARDLESS.
I THINK, UH, BECAUSE I, I KNOW I'VE BEEN UP AND DOWN THAT STREET.
I VISITED YESTERDAY FOR THIS PURPOSE, UH, YEAH.
AND TO THE, TO THE, TO THE DEAD END ON WALKER AND BACK.
AND I PEERED OVER THE FENCE AND WENT ON THE OTHER SIDE AND DID MY DUE DILIGENCE, UH, UH, DOWN UNDER THE RAILROAD TRACKS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH AS BEST I COULD.
UH, BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT, UH, THAT YOU LISTEN TO, IT'S NOT JUST YOUR PARISHIONERS AND IT'S NOT, IT GOES, IT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND PARISHIONERS.
THESE ARE, UH, RESIDENTS OF LAHABRA, AND THESE ISSUES HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROPERLY DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO THANK YOU TO OUR STAFF, UH, FOR CLARIFYING THE ISSUE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
HOW THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR, UH, THAT THIS, UH, IS NOT AN ISSUE.
UM, AND, UH, AND FOR OUR RESIDENTS.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IT, FOR ME PERSONALLY, IT MAY NOT, I'M, IT MAY NOT BE THE NEWS YOU WANNA HEAR FROM ME PERSONALLY.
UH, BUT, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S THE UNFORTUNATE PART OF DOING WHAT I DO, IS, UH, THAT I'VE GOTTA STAND BEFORE YOU, UH, TO MAKE THOSE TOUGH DECISIONS.
AND, UH, I'M NOT GONNA, I'M NOT GONNA, UH, COWER FROM THAT, JUST THE SAME, UH, BECAUSE, UH, TO DO OTHERWISE, UH, WOULD MEAN THAT WE'D HAVE TO HAVE DICK JONES BACK AND IN COURT AND, UH, PAY HIM A, A, AN OBSCENE AMOUNT OF MONEY TO DEFEND THE CITY IN SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARY, IN MY OPINION.
SO IS THAT PARTICULARLY WRONG? NO, NOT AT ALL.
NO, ALL, ALL KIDDING ASIDE IN IN THAT REGARD THOUGH.
BUT I'VE HEARD YOU, UH, AND, UH, AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING I TAKE LIGHTLY.
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UH, SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.AND I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO THIS, UH, EXTENSIVELY TO BEGIN WITH.
I'LL, IN THE INTEREST OF BREVITY, I'LL SIMPLY SAY THAT I AGREE A HUNDRED PERCENT WITH COUNCIL MEMBER LAMPKIN AND, UH, MAYOR PRO TEM MADANO, COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ.
UM, AGAIN, I, I, I, MY COMFORT LEVEL ISN'T THERE, UH, WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I, I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT DIALOGUE WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD PROJECT.
UH, THEY, THEY WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS, UM, TO ARTICULATE IT TO, UH, PUT IN THOSE EXTRA STAFFING, UH, I'M SORRY, THOSE AFTER CON EXTRA SAFETY MEASURES ON THE PROJECT.
UH, I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO TALK TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT IT, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S GONNA GO THAT WAY.
UH, AND THEN, UH, AFTER CONSULTING WITH OUR ATTORNEY, HE DID, UM, GIVE US, UH, HIS OPINION ON THE LEGAL OR, UH, RAMIFICATIONS THAT CAN, UH, HAPPEN.
UM, IF THIS PROJECT IS DENIED.
UH, YES, IT IS, UH, IT IS SOMETHING HEAVY ON OUR HEART.
I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT LIVE THERE ON THAT STREET.
UM, AND WHAT, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF THEY'RE NOT HERE, WE HEARD THE REPORTS.
WE HEARD IT FROM OUR EXPERTS THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF.
UM, SO IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE LA DEPARTMENT WOULD'VE HAVE, UH, REPORTED OUT TO US.
UM, AND, AND AS WE HEARD THE DISCUSSION AND THE CONVERSATIONS, IT, THE, UM, AT THE END, MORE OF THE FRUSTRATION WAS TAKING PLACE WITH WHAT WAS ALREADY HAPPENING, UH, WITH THE CHURCH, WITH THE PARKING.
UM, IT'S NOT ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
THE PROJECT'S A, A WONDERFUL PROJECT.
IT'S JUST MORE OF A COMMUNITY MEETINGS OR NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS THAT THE CHURCH NEEDS TO HAVE WITH THE RESIDENT MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE THEY ALLEVIATE THE ISSUES AS MUCH AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN WITH WHAT IS TAKING PLACE THERE.
UH, BUT THE PROJECT IS WONDERFUL.
UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE ITS DUE DILIGENCE.
THE STAFF HAS DONE THE DUE DILIGENCE, AND I BELIEVE WE ARE READY FOR ANY ACTION THAT WE CAN, UH, HAVE, UH, FROM.
AND I WOULD ASK IF THERE IS A MOTION, THERE SHOULD BE TWO MAYOR, BE TWO, JUST BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS.
I WOULD MOVE TO INTRODUCE THE FIRST READING OF ORDINANCE NUMBER 2025, ENTITLED AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF LA HARBOR, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING, UH, A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PERMIT, PUD TWO M 24 DASH TRIPLE ZERO ONE TO CONSTRUCT 21 DWELLING UNITS, APARTMENT HOMES, INCLUDING TWO AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR RENT TO MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS ON A 1.59 ACRE LOT AT THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY ADDRESSED AS NINE 20 WESSEL HARBOR BOULEVARD, ASSESSOR'S PARCEL NUMBER 2 9 8 DASH ZERO ONE DASH 0 21.
AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT PUD TWO M 24 DASH ZERO ONE IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, CA PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 5 3 3 2, CLASS 32 INFILL DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS OF THE CQA GUIDELINES.
IS THERE A SECOND? I WILL SECOND IT.
WOULD THE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE? COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ, I'M WAITING FOR YOUR VOTE PLEASE.
MOTION CARRIED FOUR ONE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ VOTING.
NO, MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE AN IOC EXCLUSIONARY HOUSING AGREEMENT WITH THE ROMAN CATHOLIC BISHOP OF ORANGE FOR TWO MODERATE INCOME RENTAL UNITS AND AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE ALL DOCUMENTS RELATED TO THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING AGREEMENT.
I'LL SECOND BUT THE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE.
MOTION CARRIED FOUR ONE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ VOTING.
[1. CONSIDER APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONERS AND ALTERNATES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION That the City Council: A. Consider and appoint one individual to the Planning Commission to fill an unscheduled vacancy with a two-year term that will expire on March 31, 2027, and up to two individuals to serve as alternates; and, B. Consider and appoint two individuals to the Community Services Commission to fill two 3-year terms that will expire on March 31, 2028, and up to two individuals to serve as alternates.]
ON TO THE CONSIDERATION ITEM.ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE MAY REQUEST TO ADDRESS THE LAHABRA CITY COUNCIL ON ANY CONSIDERATION ITEM PRIOR TO THE LAHABRA CITY COUNCIL TAKING A FINAL VOTE ON THE ITEM.
PUBLIC COMMENT SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER CONSIDERATION ITEM, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE MAYOR OR CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOANED TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
AND THE CONSIDERATION ITEM IS ENTITLED CONSIDER APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONERS AND ALTERNATES TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION.
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THANK YOU VERY MUCH.I WILL BE PROVIDING THAT REPORT AS DIRECTED BY CITY COUNCIL.
STAFF INITIATED THE ANNUAL COMMISSION RECRUITMENT TO FILL ONE UNSCHEDULED VACANCY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND TWO VACANCIES ON THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION.
A TOTAL OF SEVEN APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED WITH ONE APPLICANT WITHDRAWING FROM THE SELECTION PROCESS PRIOR TO THE INTERVIEWS.
THE REMAINING SIX APPLICANTS WERE THEN INTERVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL AT A SPECIAL MEETING HELD ON MONDAY, MARCH 3RD.
AT THIS TIME, CITY COUNCIL SHOULD CONSIDER AND APPOINT ONE INDIVIDUAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO FILL AN UNSCHEDULED VACANCY WITH A TWO YEAR TERM THAT WILL EXPIRE ON MARCH 31ST, 2027 AND TWO INDIVIDUALS TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION TO FILL TWO THREE YEAR TERMS THAT WILL EXPIRE ON MARCH 31ST, 2028.
CONSIDERATION SHOULD ALSO BE GIVEN TO A 0.2 ALTERNATES ON EACH COMMISSION SHOULD AN UNSCHEDULED VACANCY OCCUR PRIOR TO NEXT MARCH.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS.
I WOULD ASK, UH, IF THE COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS? NO, MA'AM.
UH, MADAM MAYOR, I'M SORRY, NOT A QUESTION, BUT A A WELL A QUESTION, BUT ONLY FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AGAIN, I NEED TO ASK HIM IF I SHOULD DO ONE OF TWO THINGS BECAUSE ONE OF THE APPLICANTS IS A FAMILY MEMBER.
UH, I WAS NOT THERE FOR THE INTERVIEW AND I LEFT THE DAIS WHEN SHE WAS INTERVIEWED.
SO THE QUESTION IS, SHOULD I REMAIN HERE AND ABSTAIN IF, IF SOME ACTION COMES BEFORE THE COUNCIL OR SHOULD I REMOVE MYSELF? TWO THINGS.
ONE, YOU'RE NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED TO ABSTAIN BECAUSE UNLESS THAT PERSON'S A DEPENDENT, IT DOESN'T MEET THE CRITERIA FOR A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.
SECONDLY, YOU ARE WELCOME TO, TO ABSTAIN IF YOU SO DESIRE.
IF YOU ELECT TO ABSTAIN, I WOULD HAVE YOU TO LEAVE THE DAIS COMPLETELY.
IF I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN, I SHOULD LEAVE THE DA.
AND THEN ALSO THERE'S ANOTHER APPLICANT THAT I HAD A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH DURING THE LAST CAMPAIGN.
I WAS ALSO NOT PRESENT FOR THE INTERVIEW.
IT WAS A BUSINESS RELATIONSHIP.
AND YOU RECEIVED ECONOMIC BENEFIT FROM THAT RELATIONSHIP.
YOU HAVE TO BE THE BENEFICIARY OF THE ECO, OF THE ECONOMIC RELATIONSHIP.
WELL, BUT I DIDN'T, I WASN'T THERE FOR THE INTERVIEW, SO I COULDN'T VOTE AGAIN.
IF YOU, IF YOU WANNA ABSTAIN, YOU CAN.
YOU CERTAINLY CAN ABSTAIN, BUT THEN YOU SHOULD LEAVE THE DIOCESE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTION? ARE YOU REMAINING AT THE DIOCESE THEN? COUNCIL MEMBER? I DON'T HAVE TO DO IT FOR ALL OF IT.
JUST IF THOSE, THOSE CANDIDATES COME UP, I THINK I HAVE TO LEAVE IT.
WHO, IF SOMEBODY MAKES A MOTION FOR SOMEBODY I CAN'T BE HERE FOR THEN I'LL LEAVE.
ARE THERE ANY MORE COUN UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? ALL RIGHT.
UH, I'LL INVITE THE PUBLIC TO TESTIFY OR TO PLEASE GIVE THEIR NAME AND, UH, NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.
SEEING NONE, I WILL ASK THE COUNCIL FOR, UM, I'M OPENING THE NOMINATIONS TO APPOINT ONE INDIVIDUAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO FILL AN UNSCHEDULED VACANCY WITH A TWO YEAR EXPIRING MARCH 31ST, 2027.
MADAM MAYOR, MADAM MAYOR, IF I CAN, I'D LIKE TO, UH, NOMINATE LINDSAY LAFE FOR PLANNING COMMISSION.
MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE GINGER LOGAN CANNON.
MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO NOMINATE GINGER LOGAN CANNON.
ARE THERE ANY MORE NOMINATIONS? ALL RIGHT.
WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? A MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS.
I LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS AND CAST A UNANIMOUS BALLOT.
WE ONLY HAVE ONE POSITION THAT WE'RE, WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE, SO WE HAVE TO VOTE.
SO, UM, WE WILL ASK THE COUNCIL TO, LET'S SEE, VOTE FOR, UM, LINDSAY LEBRI.
WELL, I WOULD DO, I ALWAYS SAY YOU HAVE TWO CANDIDATES.
HAVE THE, THE CLERK CALL THE ROLE ON EACH OF YOU VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO CONDUCT A ROLL CALL? VOTE THEN FOR EACH? YES.
CONDUCT A ROLL CALL VOTE AND WHOEVER GETS THREE VOTES WINS.
UH, THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE FOR LINDSAY LEBRI.
SO THOSE VOTING IN FAVOR OR IN FAVOR OF THAT PERSON THEN LINDSAY? SO, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NIXON.
YOU SEE WHAT WE DO IS WE GO DOWN THE ROW AND WE, WE CANDIDATE, ALL WE NEED TO DO IS CALL THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
AND YOU VOTE EITHER FOR ONE OR THE OTHER CANDIDATE.
IT'S CALLED COUNCIL MEMBER LAKIN, FOR EXAMPLE.
SO COUNCIL MEMBER LAMBKIN, UH, MY NOMINATION IS GONNA BE FOR GINGER.
UH, BUT WHO ARE YOU VOTING FOR? LINDSAY OR GINGER? GINGER.
I AM VOTING FOR GINGER LOGAN CANNON MAYOR PROAM MADANO,
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UH, FOR LINDSAY LEFEBRE AND MAYOR ESPINOZA.SO UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR GINGER LOGAN TO FILL AN, THERE'S ACTUALLY THREE THREE TO ONE.
THREE TO ONE VOTE FOR GINGER TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION BILL THE UNSCHEDULED VACANCY ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH THE TWO YEAR TERM EXPIRING.
I DIDN'T, AND NOW THAT'S, THAT'S WE DO, WE NEED AN ALTERNATE? YOU CAN, IF YOU SO DESIRE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, MAKE LINDSEY, UH, LE LERE, UH, AS AN ALTERNATE.
I'LL SECOND, I SECOND THAT MOTION.
ALRIGHT, LET'S CALL MAYOR PRO MADANO.
I'D LIKE TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS FOR A, UH, UNANIMOUS, UH, VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR? SHE APPOINTED FOUR ONE.
NOW WE WILL GO TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICE COMMISSION TO FILL ONE THREE YEAR TERM EXPIRING.
UM, IF YOU WANNA PROCEED WITH THIS, IT'S TWO, THREE YEAR TERMS, TWO, THREE YEAR TERMS. I THINK THIS IS, UH, RHONDA'S.
YOU CAN DO 'EM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.
OR THERE'S TWO VACANCIES WITH THREE YEAR TERMS. WELL, MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY BE ALLOWED, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO APPOINT, UH, CARRIE SEARCH IN ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS AS COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS.
AND CASSIE UNANIMOUS VOTE FOR THAT POSITION.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE, UH, UH, MS, UH, SCHMIDT FOR THE SECOND POSITION.
CLERK LIKE TO MAKE A NOMINATION TO CLO CLOSE NOMINATIONS AND CAS UNANIMOUS VOTE THERE A SECOND.
IS THERE, UM, WHAT DID I SAY? YEP, I'LL SECOND.
IS THAT IT? NO ALTERNATES THERE.
WE NEED ONE ALTERNATE IF YOU WANT TO ONE ALTERNATE.
WELL, WE ONLY HAVE ONE MORE PERSON LEFT.
MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, NOMINATE, UH, MANUEL MUR MIRANDA FOR, UH, THE ALTERNATE POSITION.
OH, FOR ALTERNATE ON THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION, CORRECT? CORRECT, YES.
COMMUNITY SERVICES MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE NOMINATIONS AND CAST THE UNANIMOUS.
CONGRATULATIONS TO CARRIE ZURICH, DENISE SCHMID AND MANUEL MIRANDA.
ALL RIGHT, WE ARE DONE WITH THAT, WE GO TO
[ MAYOR'S COMMUNITY CALENDAR:]
THE MAYOR'S COMMUNITY CALENDAR.WE'RE GOING TO GET YOUR DOGS AND CATS UP TO DATE ON THEIR VACCINES AT THE LOW COST MOBILE CLINIC TO BE HELD THIS FRIDAY, MARCH 21ST FROM 5:00 PM UNTIL 6:00 PM AT THE LA HARBOR COMMUNITY CENTER.
1 0 1 WEST LA HARBOR BOULEVARD.
UH, THE MOBILE CLINIC WILL BE OFFERING VARIOUS VACCINES AND MICROCHIPPING FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT THE LAHABRA ANIMAL CONTROL AT 5 6 2 3 8 3 4 2 5 2.
AND WE HAVE THE 2025 SUMMER JOB FAIR.
IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE CITY OF LAHABRA, THE COMMUNITY SERVICE DEPARTMENT IS HOSTING A HIRING FAIR FAIR TO RECRUIT PART-TIME SUMMER RECREATION STAFF.
STAFF ON SATURDAY, APRIL 5TH FROM 9:00 AM UNTIL 12:30 PM AT THE LA HARBOR CITY HALL, 1 1 0 EAST LA HARBOR BOULEVARD.
PLEASE SUBMIT AN ONLINE APPLICATION TODAY FOR MORE INFORMATION.
PLEASE CONTACT COMMUNITY SERVICES AT 5 6 2 3 8 3 4 2 0 0.
AND WE HAVE THE LA HARBA POLICE DEPARTMENT.
CITY CITIZENS ACADEMY APPLICATIONS ARE NOW BEING ACCEPTED FOR THE LA HARBA POLICE DEPARTMENT CITIZENS ACADEMY TO BE HELD EVERY THURSDAY FROM APRIL 10TH UNTIL MAY 15.
ATTENDEES WILL LEARN ABOUT ALL ASPECTS OF POLICE OPERATIONS, SUCH AS PATROL, TRAFFIC, SWAT, CANINE UNIT, ANIMAL CONTROL, AND MORE.
FOR MY INFORMATION, PLEASE CONTACT LAUREN WEISS AT LWYS E@LAHARBACA.GOV, OR VISIT THE LA HARBOR CA.GOV.
AND WE HAVE THE SENIOR DANCE AND SENIOR DANCERS ARE IN FULL SWING.
JOIN US ON SUNDAY, APRIL 13TH FROM 2:00 PM UNTIL 4:00 PM AT THE LA HARBA COMMUNITY CENTER.
1 0 1 WEST LA HARBA BOULEVARD.
ENJOY AN AFTERNOON OF LIVE MUSIC, DANCING, RAFFLES AND DINNER.
PRE-REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED AND THE COST TO ATTEND
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IS $12 PER PERSON.RESERVE YOUR SPACE IN PERSON AT THE LA HARBOR COMMUNITY CENTER OR BY PHONE BY CALLING (562) 383-4200.
JOIN US FOR THE ANNUAL EGG NIGHT TO BE HELD ON FRIDAY, UH, APRIL 18TH AT 7:00 PM UNTIL 8:00 PM AT LA BONITA PARK.
1 4 4 0 WEST WHITTIER BOULEVARD.
THE EVENT IS OPEN TO USE AGES SEVEN THROUGH 13.
THE COST IS $15 PER CHILD AND PRE-REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED.
FOR MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE CONTACT THE COMMUNITY CENTER AT 5 6 2 3 8 3 4 2 0 0 EXTRAVAGANZA.
THE 2025 SPRING FAMILY EXTRAVAGANZA WILL BE HELD ON SATURDAY, APRIL 19 FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL NOON.
AT LA BONITA PARK, 1 4 4 0 WEST WHITTIER BOULEVARD WRISTBANDS PRESALE IS $6 PER PERSON AND EIGHT PER PERSON ON EVENT DAY.
FOR MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE CONTACT COMMUNITY CENTER OR CALL 5 6 2 3 8 3 4 2 0 0.
AND WE HAVE THE LOVE LA HABRA.
THE LOVE LA HABRA IS A CITYWIDE DAY OF SERVICE TO HELP THOSE IN NEED AND IMPROVE OUR CITY.
PLEASE JOIN US ON SATURDAY APRIL 26TH.
TIME AND LOCATION WILL BE TO BE DETERMINED.
SEE SOMETHING IN THE CITY THAT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED, OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO NEEDS HELP, SUBMIT IT THROUGH THE LOVE LA HARBOR.COM.
FOR MORE INFORMATION, PLEASE CONTACT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, 5 6 2 3 8 3 4 2 0 0 COMMISSION MEETING.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETS ON THE SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAY OF EACH MONTH AT 6:30 PM IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER.
THE COMMUNITY SERVICE COMMISSION MEETS ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH AT 6:30 PM AT THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER.
WATER CONSERVATION CALIFORNIANS ARE STILL BEING ASKED TO CONSERVE WATER IRRIGATION IS LIMITED TO THREE TIMES PER WEEK WITH NO MORE THAN 15 MINUTES WATERING PER STATION AND NO RUNOFF OR TURNOFF IRRIGATION PRIOR TO AND FOLLOWING THE FOLLOWING RAIN.
PLEASE NOTE THAT LAWN AND IRRIGATION IS PROHIBITED BETWEEN 10:00 AM AND 4:00 PM AS IS THE WASHING OF HARD SURFACES SUCH AS SIDEWALKS AND DRIVEWAYS.
DO YOUR PART AND HELP US CONSERVE OUR MOST PRECIOUS ASSET.
FOR MORE INFORMATION AND TIPS ON HOW YOU CAN CON HELP CONSERVE WATER, PLEASE CONTACT THE LA HARBOR PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AT 5 6 2 3 8 3 4 1 7 0.
AND NOW WE HAVE COMMENTS FROM THE COUNCIL.
WHEN DID I BEGIN? LAST TIME? IT WAS OVER HERE, RIGHT? WELL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER IF I MIGHT.
[ COMMENTS FROM STAFF:]
MAYOR FROM A QUICK COMMENT FIRST.SO YES, JUST WANTED TO, UM, THANK DICK FOR ALL THE TIME HE HAS BEEN WITH THE CITY.
UM, YOU KNOW, DICK JONES WAS ONE OF THE FIRST PEOPLE I MET WHEN I STARTED WITH THE CITY OVER 20 YEARS AGO.
AND HE CAME DOWNSTAIRS AND FOUND ME IN THE BASEMENT AT CITY HALL WHERE OUR OFFICE WAS.
AND HE SAID, SO YOU'RE THE NEW.
HE GOES, SO YOU'RE THE NEW FINANCE DIRECTOR? I SAID, YEAH.
HE GOES, ARE YOU GONNA BE TROUBLE OR ARE YOU GONNA BE OKAY? I GO, I'M PROBABLY GONNA BE TROUBLE.
AND SO GOT TO KNOW DICK FROM AN EARLY POINT IN MY CAREER.
UM, AND THEN I GOT TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT DICK OVER THE YEARS.
AND THE FACT IS THAT HE HAS BEEN EFFECTIVELY AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY LONGER THAN MOST EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY WORKING HERE ANYMORE.
IN FACT, I DUNNO IF MEL'S STILL HERE.
MEL PROBABLY LEFT, HE PROBABLY CHECKED OUT FOR A WHILE, BUT I THINK DICK AND MEL PROBABLY STARTED AROUND THE SAME TIME TOGETHER 40 PLUS YEARS AGO.
UH, FOR THE CITY, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE THAT CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, SPENDING 40 YEARS IN ONE PLACE AND, AND SERVING ONE COMMUNITY.
I THINK LOOKING BACK AT THE TIME, I'VE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH DICK.
YOU KNOW, THE THINGS I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN, KNOWN FROM HIM IS THAT, UM, HE'S PATIENT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND DICK WAS WISE, UM, AND HE WAS ALWAYS CALM, ESPECIALLY WHEN ALL HELL WAS BREAKING LOOSE AROUND CITY HALL.
AND HE'D SAY, OKAY, IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN, LET ME HELP YOU THROUGH THAT.
BUT ALSO, HE WAS A TEACHER AND A COUNSELOR, RIGHT? TO, UH, NOT JUST STAFF, BUT THE COUNCIL MEMBERS.
YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER SEEING IN FACT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER LAMBKIN IS THE NEWEST ONE.
I'D SEE DICK IN IRAQ WITH BRAND NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND REALLY START WORKING WITH THEM FROM DAY ONE ABOUT HOW, HOW CAN WE HELP YOU ACHIEVE WHAT YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE? AND HOW CAN WE HELP YOU MAKE YOU THE BEST COUNCIL MEMBER YOU CAN BE? AND, YOU KNOW, WAS THAT APPROACH, I THINK ALWAYS MA MADE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS FEEL WELCOME, UH, TO THE CITY.
AND, AND SO I THOUGHT I LEARNED A LOT FROM THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, HE PROVIDED US WITH GUIDANCE, HE PROVIDED US WITH CLARITY.
AND THE BEST THING I'VE GOTTEN FROM MY RELATIONSHIP FOR ALL THESE YEARS WITH DICK IS HIS FRIENDSHIP.
YOU KNOW, DICK WAS SOMEONE THAT I COULD COMMISERATE WITH WHEN THEY WENT PARTICULARLY BAD OR LAUGH WITH WHEN, WHEN SOMETHING FUNNY HAPPENED.
AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS APPRECIATED THAT AND IT'S GONNA BE, KEITH COLLINS
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IS A GREAT ATTORNEY.I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE A REALLY GOOD CITY ATTORNEY.
UH, DICK'S DONE A GREAT JOB TEACHING KEEF, BUT NO ONE'S GONNA BEAT DICK JONES AND THAT'S JUST ONE OF A KIND AND STUFF.
SO DICK, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE EARNED A WELL-DESERVED RETIREMENT, ENJOY IT.
AND BEING THAT YOU'RE A LAHABRA RESIDENT, UM, AS LONG AS YOU DON'T TURN INTO A GADFLY, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE HAVING YOU HERE AS A RESIDENT.
[ COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS:]
AZARIAN.IN LIGHT OF HIS ENORMOUS CONTRIBUTIONS, THE GIFTS OF HIS TIME, ENERGY, GENEROSITY, AND INTELLECT, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, MADAM MAYOR, THAT THE COUNCIL INSTALL A MEMORIAL TILE IN DICK JONES.
HONOR IN FRONT OF COUNCIL CHAMBERS.
IS THAT, DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL OR NO? ANYBODY OPPOSED? EXCUSE ENOUGH.
UH, WHAT WE SAW TONIGHT WAS HEAVY LIFTING, I THINK, UH, ON BEHALF OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, I JUST HOPE IT SHOWS TO FOLKS HOW HARD IT IS TO MANAGE THE RISK BENEFIT ANALYSIS WHEN THESE WEIGHTY ISSUES COME UP.
HOW DO WE BEST REPRESENT THIS COMMUNITY? HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THE LAW? HOW DO WE KEEP THE CITY OUT OF TROUBLE? HOW DO WE ALSO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR ALL OF US? I THINK Y'ALL SAW THAT OVER THE THREE HOUR MEETING.
WE WORKED HARD TONIGHT TO DO THAT, AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT IT'S OUR CONTINUING PLEDGE AND COMMITMENT TO KEEP DOING EXACTLY THAT.
SO ENOUGH OF THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A LITTLE ON THE LATE SIDE, TWO THINGS, 5K BIGGEST CROWD EVER.
I THINK I'LL LET MY MY FELLOW COLLEAGUES TALK MORE ABOUT THAT IF THEY LIKE, BUT I HAD A GREAT TIME.
SECOND THING IS, I GOT TO DO READ ACROSS AMERICA AT EL CERRITO ON MARCH 7TH, AND I HAD THE ENORMOUS PRIVILEGE AND HIGH HONOR OF READING LOLA AND THE TROLL, WHICH WAS GREAT.
THE TROLL WOUND UP BEING NICE.
I HAD A WONDERFUL TIME AND I LOVED DOING THAT EVERY YEAR.
I'M GONNA TURN IT OVER TO, UH, MAYOR PROAM.
DICK, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.
YOU'VE BEEN VERY KIND TO ME AND TO MY FAMILY AND OF COURSE, UH, TO, UH, STAFF HERE.
UH, I'M GONNA MISS YOU, UH, PROBABLY BE GIVING YOU A CALL FROM TIME TO TIME JUST TO CHECK UP ON YOU.
YEAH, WHY NOT? THERE'S A FEW GOOD PLACES.
I'D, I'D OFFER TO BUY YOU A BEER, BUT I KNOW YOU DON'T DRINK, SO THAT'S OKAY.
UH, YOU KNOW, A SODA OR WHATEVER IT IS.
UH, A CUP OF, UH, CUP OF HOT CHOCOLATE, I DON'T KNOW.
BUT YOUR COMPANY WOULD JUST BE NICE.
AND, UH, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, EVENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU ARE CONCERNED, UH, 5K, WHAT A GREAT JOB.
THANK YOU TO KELLY AND CREW KIM.
APPRECIATE YOU GUYS PUTTING THAT ON THE CENTENNIAL 5K.
IT WAS, UH, WELL PUT TOGETHER THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, THE PEOPLE RUNNING THE EVENT.
UH, WERE, WE'RE VERY PLEASED AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND, UH, WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UH, WE THANK THE REST OF THE STAFF AS WELL.
OUR SAFETY CONTINGENT, OF COURSE, OUR CHIEF, OUR CHIEF WHO NOT ONLY KEPT US SAFE AND THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE LABBER POLICE DEPARTMENT, BUT HE, HE ALSO RAN AS WELL.
MANY PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE THAT.
HEY, LIKE I TOLD YOU THAT DAY CHIEF, I COULDN'T RUN.
HEY, YEAH, YOU GOT MY VOTE, YOU KNOW, ALL IS GOOD.
UH, HE RAN IT AND, UH, AND HE FINISHED IN A PRETTY DECENT TIME FROM WHAT I, WHAT I UNDERSTAND.
SO, UH, THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT RAN AS WELL.
UH, THE COMRADERY THAT, UH, THAT THEY SHOWED HERE AMONGST OUR, UH, CITY STAFF GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND, AND THAT THEY PUT THIS COMMUNITY FIRST.
UH, ALSO READ IT, UH, EL CERRITO, UH, FOR, UH, READ ACROSS AMERICA.
MY BOOK WAS, UH, WHY, UH, WHY DRAGONS LOVE TACOS
UH, THEY JUST DON'T LIKE 'EM WITH HOT SAUCE APPARENTLY.
BUT, UH, THE KIDS HAD A GREAT TIME AND I HAD A GREAT TIME.
I ACTUALLY HAD THE HONOR OF DOING THAT AGAIN, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT EVERY YEAR.
UH, AND A FEW SCHOOLS HAD ASKED, UNFORTUNATELY, I COULDN'T DO, UH, THE OTHER SCHOOLS BECAUSE I HAD OTHER COMMITMENTS.
UH, BUT EL CERRITO, UH, UH, WAS, I WAS ABLE TO, TO BE THERE FOR THEIRS.
SO THANK YOU TO, UH, EL CERRITO AND THE LA HABER CITY SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UH, I HAVE A DODGER GAME IN ABOUT FIVE HOURS, SO I AM, I'M, I'M SEEING
UH, SO MUCH OF WHAT DICK JONES DOES FOR THE COMMUNITY STAYS UNDER THE RADAR SCREEN.
HE'S ONE OF THE MOST HUMBLE MEN I I KNOW.
AND I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S TRULY BEEN AN HONOR, UH, TO GET TO KNOW YOU, YOUR FAMILY, AND PARTICULARLY, UH, YOUR, YOUR LATE SISTER THAT PASSED AWAY.
I'M GOT, I GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO SIT DOWN AND, AND TALK TO HER AT GREAT LENGTH.
AND, UH, YOU'RE JUST, UH, AN AWARD-WINNING ATTORNEY AND JUST GOT A MOST CARING HEART.
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OF A CARING COMMUNITY.YOU'RE THE MOST CARING MAN, AND YOU'RE CERTAINLY GONNA BE MISSED.
AND, AND I'M GONNA SAY GOODBYE, BUT WE'LL SEE YOU LATER.
WELL, HARPER'S BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME, THOUGH.
I HAVE TO ADMIT, UH, SENIOR DANCE YESTERDAY WAS TREMENDOUS.
I HAVEN'T GOT TO DANCE A COUPLE TIMES WITH SOME OF THE SENIORS, SO IT WAS, IT WAS A COOL, UH, THE DINOSAUR SAFARI EXHIBIT.
THE MAYOR AND I WENT OVER THERE AND SAW THAT CAME ALL THE WAY FROM OMAHA, NEBRASKA.
THAT IS LIKE THE, BY FAR, THE BEST OF THE BEST, UH, EXHIBITS I'VE EVER SEEN AT THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.
REMEMBER, I'M THE FIRST RECIPIENT OF THE KIDS WHACK AND FORTH GRADE.
WE'VE COME FROM THOSE DAYS WITH PLAYING WITH JUST STYROFOAM, UH, CONTAINERS AND STUFF.
UM, LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO, UH, ADJOURN IN THE MEMORY OF COREY NOONA.
UH, HE'S A YOUNG MAN THAT PASSED AWAY ON HACIENDA ROAD AND WHITTIER BOULEVARD ON HIS MOTORCYCLE.
I GOT TO ATTEND HIS MEMORIAL SERVICE ON FRIDAY, AND MY CONDOLENCES GO OUT TO HIS FATHER, JOE.
UH, HIS MOM, ANNETTE, UH, BROTHER JORDAN AND HIS DAUGHTER, UH, GIANNA.
UM, LIKE, LIKE I SAID, THE, THE FUNERAL WAS JUST THAT ONE, ONE LAST THING.
I ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO GO OUT AND DO THE 100 THINGS TO DO IN LA HABRA.
I'M ON A QUEST TO GET 'EM ALL DONE.
AND, UH, I'M LEARNING JUST GOING OUT THERE, SEEING SOME OF THOSE THINGS I HAD NOT SEEN BEFORE.
GO DODGERS, COUNCIL MEMBER LAKIN.
UH, I FIRST WANNA START OFF BY, UH, AGAIN, THANKING THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT AND, UM, EXPRESSING YOUR VIEWS AND WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO YOU.
UM, I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO ATTEND COUNCIL MEMBERS, NOT JUST WHEN THERE IS SOMETHING AT STAKE DIRECTLY RELATED TO THEM, BUT JUST TO COME AND SAY HELLO OR JUST TO BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
WE HAD THESE RESIDENTS SHOW UP TODAY, AND THEY WERE HEAVILY INVOLVED IN ENGAGING IN SOME VERY CIVIL CONVERSATION WITH THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT.
UM, DICK JONES, WANT TO THANK YOU.
UM, I KNOW WE DIDN'T GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER WELL, BUT AGAIN, THE FACT THAT YOU WELCOMED ME INTO THIS CITY AND, UH, AS JIM DID MENTION, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME AND WHAT I WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH.
UH, A COUPLE OF EVENTS THAT I WENT TO, UH, IT WAS, AGAIN, YOU HAD ANOTHER BUSY TWO WEEKS.
UM, I GOT TO GO TO THE, I ALSO GOT TO GO TO THE NEW DINOSAUR EXHIBIT OVER AT THE LA HABER CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.
I WENT ON OPENING DAY AND, UH, I REALLY HIGHLY ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO, UH, GO AND SEE IT.
UM, WE USUALLY THINK ABOUT THE BIGGER MUSEUMS AND HOW MUCH THEY HAVE TO OFFER AND THE, THE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN LEARN KINESTHETICALLY AND IN VISUALLY.
BUT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE, THIS IS RIGHT UP THERE WITH THEM.
SO I HIGHLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO CHECK THAT OUT.
UM, I GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO GO SEE THE LEGO ROBOTICS EPIC BUILD SHOWCASE OVER AT, UH, EL CERRITO ELEMENTARY.
UM, THAT WAS A BIG DEAL FOR ME BECAUSE GROWING UP, UM, ONE OF MY FIRST TOYS WAS A LEGO SET.
AND, UH, I ACTUALLY PLAYED WITH LEGOS ALL THE WAY UP SINCE I WAS 19 YEARS OLD.
UH, IT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY KEPT ME OUT OF TROUBLE GROWING UP IN SOUTH LA PLAYING WITH LEGOS WITH MY TWIN BROTHER IN THE GARAGE.
THAT'S WHAT KEPT US FROM GETTING INVOLVED IN ALL THE OTHER SHENANIGANS AND THINGS GOING ON IN MY COMMUNITY.
UM, I ALWAYS LIKED TO THINK THAT IN, IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, LEGOS KIND OF SAVED MY LIFE.
SO I HAD TO GO SEE THIS, UH, SHOWCASE OF THESE VERY TALENTED, UM, UH, THIRD GRADERS ALL THE WAY UP TO SIXTH GRADERS BUILDING SOME VERY DYNAMIC, UH, STRUCTURES THERE.
UM, I GOT TO GO TO THE, UM, RIBBON CUTTING OF THE PHANTOM PRO OVER AT THE PHANTOM PROJECT.
UM, UH, IT WAS A RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY THAT WAS PUT ON BY THE LA HABRA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
AND IT WAS, UH, TO COMMEMORATE OR CELEBRATE A, A, A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN THE PHANTOM PROJECT AND THE LA HABER ARTS ASSOCIATION.
UH, I, I, I REALLY ENJOYED THAT COLLABORATION.
WHAT, UM, THERE WAS ALSO, I ALSO GOT TO ATTEND ANOTHER RIBBON, RIBBON COUNTY CEREMONY, A REOPENING OR RE GRAND OPENING OF THE GROCERY OUTLET.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, THERE WAS THREE OF US THAT WERE THERE, UH, JAMES GOMEZ AND JOSE MADANO THAT WERE THERE.
AND AGAIN, GOOD TO SEE GREAT COLLABORATION BETWEEN ALL THESE DIFFERENT ENTITIES WITHIN THE CITY SUPPORTING ONE ANOTHER.
UH, I GOT TO GO TO THE FINDING EMO EX UH, FINDING EMO PLAY OR MUSICAL AT ARITA, UH, ARITA ELEMENTARY.
UH, GOT TO SEE SOME VERY TALENTED KIDS AGAIN, ALL THE WAY UP TO SIXTH GRADE PERFORMING.
AND THEN, UH, THE 5K CENTENNIAL.
UM, I GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO RUN THAT.
AND, UH, YET ANOTHER BIG DEAL FOR ME BECAUSE I THINK BACK TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD I GREW UP IN, UM, IF YOU WOULD'VE ASKED ME BACK WHEN I WAS FIVE, 10, EVEN 15 YEARS OLD, WOULD I EVER SEE MYSELF RUNNING A 5K IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD I LIVED IN? YEAH.
UH, WE RUN FROM DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS I GREW UP IN, YOU KNOW, AND IT WASN'T ANYTHING GOOD.
AND SO WHAT'S VERY TOUCHING ABOUT THIS IS AS I WAS RUNNING THROUGH THAT 5K, WHAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT 5K AND ANY OTHER RUN THAT I'VE DONE RATHER BE A HALF MARATHON?
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A FIVE WAS AS I WAS RUNNING BY, I'M, I'M RUNNING BY PEOPLE THAT I ACTUALLY MET, PEOPLE THAT ACTUALLY KNOW THE COMMUNITY SERVICES STAFF, THE LA HABER POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE PUBLIC WORKS PERSONNEL THAT WERE OUT THERE, THAT TOUCHED ME A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY THAN, THAN ANY OTHER RUN THAT I'VE DONE TO KNOW THAT THIS WERE, THESE WERE FELLOW, YOU KNOW, UH, STAFF MEMBERS.THESE WERE RESIDENTS, COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
AND TO SAY, AS I'M RUNNING BY, NOT ONLY, HEY, THANK YOU FOR BEING OUT HERE, BUT I'M SAYING TO MYSELF, I KNOW THAT PERSON.
AND SO I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED IN THIS, IN THIS.
AND NOT JUST THAT, BUT THANK THE STAFF THAT PUT THAT TOGETHER.
I WAS GONNA PUT THIS IN AN EMAIL THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PROBABLY ABOUT TWO, THREE PAGES LONG, BUT, UH, JIM SAID, YOU MIGHT WANNA JUST EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS, YOU KNOW, AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, IT MIGHT COME OFF A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
AND SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CREATING THAT VERY SPECIAL AND MEMORABLE MOMENT FOR ME.
I THINK, UH, MAYOR PRO, I, I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT, DEL, WAS THAT, UH, YOU, UH, YOU RAN IT WITH YOUR HAT BECAUSE NOBODY WOULD'VE RECOGNIZED ME.
SEE, PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE YOU RAN IT WITH YOUR HAT.
YOU, YOU DO A FEW MORE OF THOSE AND A FEW MORE OF THESE TOURS AT THE SCHOOLS, AND YOU'RE GONNA BE THE NEW MR. LAHABRA.
IS MR. LAHABRA
DON'T, NO, THE BEAR, DON'T POKE THE BEAR
BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE MAYOR, I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS.
AND YOU'RE HAVE A TREMENDOUS HONOR COMING THIS WEEKEND AND WOMAN OF THE YEAR, NOT ONLY FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT OF, UH, BLANCA PACHECO.
SO WE HONOR YOU AND CONGRATULATE YOU, AND ALSO CARRIES FOR THE WAR THAT YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING, UH, THIS WEEKEND.
THERE IS ONLY ONE ROSE ZA THANK CARRIES.
UM, YEAH, DICK, I'M, WE'RE GONNA MISS YOU.
I, I, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN HERE NOW, WHAT, 24 YEARS GOING ON, 25 YEARS.
BUT, UM, NO ONE CAN COMPETE AGAINST YOU, AND I'VE JUST ENJOYED EVERY TIME THAT I'M HERE ON THE COUNCIL AND HAVING YOU ON THE ROTARY CLUB AS WELL.
I MEAN, MEETING YOU THERE AND HAVING LUNCH WITH YOU AT THE ROTARY CLUB AS WELL.
UM, SO I AM JUST, I'M HOPING THAT PERIODICALLY YOU WILL ATTEND THE ROTARY CLUB AS WELL, BECAUSE, UM, IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH.
IT'S, IT'S SO MUCH FUN WHEN WE HAVE THE CAMARADERIE AMONGST ALL OF THEM.
I KNOW SUSAN KIM IS ON THE ROTARY AS WELL, AND IT'S JUST NICE TO GET TOGETHER.
THAT'S NOT BUSINESS, IT'S JUST INFORMAL AND YOU SOCIALIZE.
SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU'LL BE ATTENDING THAT.
UM, OFTEN I, UM, ALSO ATTENDED THE 5K, BUT I DID NOT RUN BECAUSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO I ACTUALLY WALKED, BUT I DIDN'T GET BACK UNTIL AFTER THE AWARDS WERE GIVEN OUT.
SO I SAID, I WON'T BE ABLE TO DO IT THIS TIME.
I GO, LAST YEAR I DID WALK HALF OF IT, AND I GOT THERE ON TIME, BUT THIS TIME I SAID, I'M NOT GONNA WALK.
BUT, UH, THE FOLLOWING YEAR I WILL DO THAT AS WELL.
UM, I ALSO READ ACROSS AMERICA, UH, DAY, I, I WAS AT THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM FOR THAT PARTICULAR READING, UH, AND, AND I DID NOT READ ONE BOOK.
BECAUSE THERE WAS BOOKS ON DISPLAY AT THE TABLE.
UH, BUT THEY, AFTER I READ THE BOOK AND I GO, DO YOU WANT IT? I, WELL, MAYBE IT WAS GOOD.
I SAID, DO YOU WANNA HEAR ANOTHER ONE? THEY SAID, YES, YES, THAT ONE, THAT ONE.
AND SO I GOT THAT ONE, AND I READ THAT ONE, AND THEN THEY GO, OH, AND THAT ONE.
AND BY THE TIME I KNEW I HAD READ SIX BOOKS, WE HAD GONE WAY OVER THE TIME THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE.
BUT IT, IT JUST ELATED ME BECAUSE THEY WERE INTERESTED IN HEARING STORIES AND READING AND GOING, THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE THING WAS ABOUT.
AND, AND OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE OBVIOUSLY HEARD STORIES AND ALL THAT, THAT THEY KEPT ASKING FOR ANOTHER AND ANOTHER, AND ANOTHER.
SO I, I WASN'T GONNA STOP UNTIL THE STAFF SAID, IT'S TIME FOR US TO GO.
AND, AND SO IT WAS SIX BOOKS THAT I HAD FINALLY READ.
BY THAT TIME, I ALSO ATTENDED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS A COUNCIL MEMBER NAZARIAN THE FREEWAY INSURANCE RIBBON COUNTY THAT WE HAD AS WELL.
UH, IT WAS WELL ATTENDED, AND I WAS GLAD THAT WAS THERE.
WE HAD SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM ASSEMBLY PACHECO AND, UH, SENATOR BERG, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN YES, UH, LAST, LAST MONDAY, I DID FLY OUT TO SACRAMENTO, UH, TO RECEIVE THE AWARD FOR, UH, THE 64TH DISTRICT, UH, AND, AND WALK THE FLOOR, UH, AS, UH, ALONGSIDE, UH, ASSEMBLYWOMAN PACHECO AS I RECEIVED THE, UH, WOMAN OF THE YEAR AWARD FOR THE ENTIRE, UM, ASSEMBLY DISTRICT.
THERE WAS 80 WOMEN THAT WERE BEING RECOGNIZED, AND 64TH DISTRICT, OF COURSE, WE WERE TOWARDS THE END.
BUT IT WAS JUST A, IT WAS AWESOME TO HEAR THE STORIES OF ALL THE OTHER LADIES THAT WERE BEING, UH, RECOGNIZED.
AND, UM, IT'S AN EXPERIENCE THAT I WILL NEVER, NEVER FORGET.
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I'M GRATEFUL, UH, FOR, UH, THE RECOGNITION THAT I RECEIVED AT THAT TIME.AND THEN, UH, TO COME BACK HOME AND JUST PINCH MYSELF AND THINK, WOW, THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN.
THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN TO EVERYONE.
AND, AND THIS, UH, THIS WEEKEND IT'LL BE MYSELF AND, AND, UH, CARRIE ZURICH THAT WILL BE RECOGNIZED.
SHE'S BEING RECOGNIZED FOR OUR CITY.
AND SO CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU ON THAT AS WELL.
UH, I ALSO ATTENDED THE CENTENNIAL MEETING, AND IT WAS, UH, THIS LAST WEEK, AND IT WAS A GREAT MEETING.
I, I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, ONE THING CAME TO MIND ABOUT THE WOMEN'S PARK, THE, THE PARK, UH, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO THE RIBBON CUTTING.
AND I THOUGHT, OH, WOULDN'T IT BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE LIBRARY THERE AS WELL? AND I DID, UH, TALK TO ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF THE WOMEN'S CLUB AND SHE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT? WE'LL, UH, REPLENISH IT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE WE GET IT DONATED FROM HOME DEPOT OR THEY GET IT, BILL, BECAUSE YOU JUST WANT THE KIDS TO READ.
AND WHAT A PERFECT PLACE WHEN YOU HAVE THE BENCHES THERE AND THE PLAYGROUND AND THE SHADE AND, AND, AND HAVE THEM COME OUT AND SOCIALIZE AND GRAB A BOOK FROM THE LITTLE LIBRARY THERE AS WELL.
SO I WOULD, UH, RECOMMEND THAT.
AND UNLESS I THINK I, UH, YES, THANK YOU.
HE NEVER SAYS THAT TO ME, BY THE WAY.
WELL, YOU SEE HOW FAST THAT WAS.
WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THE ROSE WITHOUT HESITATION.
AND I DID ATTEND THE, UM, THE CALIFORNIA LEAGUE OF MEETING ADVANCE ADVANCING EQUITY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, THAT WAS A TWO HOUR MEETING.
UH, AND SO IT'S BEEN A BUSY, BUSY, UH, LAST TWO WEEKS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ADJOURN, OF COURSE, IN COREY S BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO, I WAS REQUESTED TO ADJOURN IN DAVE MYERS.
HE IS THE FOUNDER OF HILLS FOR EVERYONE WHO HAS PASSED AWAY.
DAVE GREW UP IN LA HARBOR, HIKING THROUGHOUT THE PUENTE, CHINO HILLS IN THE MID, MID SEVENTIES.
AFTER WATCHING ONE TOO MANY RIDGE LINES LEVELED AND ONE TOO MANY STREAMS BUR BURIED UNFILLED.
DAVE DECIDED TO SAVE THESE HILLS BY AUDACIOUSLY AND SUCCESSFULLY PROMOTING THE IDEA OF A STATE PARK AND CHINO HILLS.
DAVE NOT ONLY DESIGNED THE PARK, BUT ALSO LED THE FIGHT TO FEND OFF AN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT AND MULTIPLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.
CHINO HILLS STATE PARK NOW ENCOMPASSES OVER 14,100 ACRES WITH ANOTHER 2000 IN THE WORKS.
THE PARK SITS AT THE JUNCTURE OF LOS ANGELES, ORANGE, SAN BERNARDINO, AND RIVERSIDE COUNTIES AS AN ANCHOR PARCEL FOR OTHER CONSERVATION EFFORTS.
THE PARK IS NOW PART OF A 28,000 ACRE COMPLEX OF CONSERVED LAND, FOLLOWING HIS DIRECT WORK WITH A HILLS FOR EVERYONE.
DAVE WENT ON TO ESTABLISH THE WINLAND CONSERVANCY THROUGHOUT HIS VISION, THOUGH, THOUGH HIS VISION, THROUGH HIS VISION OF BOLDNESS, HE KEPT THE BEAUTY OF WILDLANDS AND WILDLIFE ALIVE IN THE HEART OF ONE OF THE MOST, UH, URBANIZED REGIONS ON THE PLANET.
SO I THINK HE IS A, A PERSON THAT DESERVES A LEGACY RECOGNITION IN LA HARBOR AS WELL, BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT HAVE THESE HILLS FOR HIKING AND WHAT ONE PERSON CAN DO, UH, WITH A VISION THAT THEY HAVE.
SO IN MEMORY OF DAVE MYERS AND CORO, CORY NOONA, WE ADJOURN THIS MEETING.