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OKAY.[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING MONDAY, JULY 28, 2025 5:00 P.M. LA HABRA CITY HALL ATRIUM CONFERENCE ROOM 110 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD]
THIS TIME, THE SPECIAL MEETING WILL PLEASE COME TO ORDER.WILL THE AUDIENCE PLEASE STAND AND JOIN? COMMISSIONER MANLEY IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
READY TO BEGIN, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE, A NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH THE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLL CHAIR MACHA.
HERE, COMMISSIONER LOGAN CANNON.
HERE, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT VICE CHAIR RAMSON HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO THE STUDY SESSION.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE STUDY SESSION.
UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
TONIGHT'S STUDY SESSION ITEM IS THE LAHABRA BOULEVARD SPECIFIC PLAN UPDATE.
DO WE HAVE A, OH, SORRY, GO ON.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION? NO.
UH, CITY STAFF WANTS TO THANK YOU FOR ATTENDING THIS SPECIAL MEETING FOR THE LAVA BOULEVARD SPECIFIC PLAN, UH, UPDATE.
I'M JOINED BY LISA FROM MIG AND ROGER DALE, UM, I'S ECONOMICS, UH, CONSULTANT.
SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT YOU WITH UPDATED INFORMATION BASED ON THE MOST RECENT COMMUNITY INPUT WE'VE RECEIVED THROUGH OUR SURVEY AND THE OUTREACH OUTREACH THAT WAS CONDUCTED, UM, THESE PAST MONTHS.
SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO LISA.
THIS IS REALLY MEANT AS KIND OF A LAST TIME WE TALKED TO YOU.
UM, WE WAS BEFORE, IT WAS BEFORE GOING TO THE PUBLIC ON, UM, FOR SOME COMMUNITY PUBLIC WORKSHOPS ABOUT SOME IDEAS THAT WE'RE GONNA PROPOSE.
AND YOU KNOW HOW THAT WAS REALLY KIND OF CONVERSATIONAL.
THIS HAS THAT SAME, THAT SAME KIND OF TENOR.
THIS IS REALLY MORE ABOUT CONVERSATION WHERE WE NOW ARE IN THE PROCESS.
WE'VE HAD SOME COMMUNITY, UM, ENGAGEMENT, WE'VE DONE SOME TECHNICAL STUDIES, AND WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING.
AND WE HAVE, WE'RE FORMULATING THIS IDEA OF A PREFERRED PLAN.
AND IN THE PREFERRED PLAN IN TERMS OF LAND USE AND, UM, INFRASTRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE ARE GETTING READY TO WRITE THE SPECIFIC PLAN.
AND WHY WE'RE COMING TO YOU NOW IS THAT WE'RE GONNA FLOAT SOME IDEAS BY YOU ABOUT THAT PREFERRED PLAN TO JUST GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND YOUR THOUGHTS.
UM, WE WOULD RATHER HAVE CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS NOW THAN, UH, HAVE US WRITE THE WHOLE THING AND THEN BRING 'EM TO YOU IN PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU GO, NOPE, I DON'T LIKE THAT.
WE'D RATHER HEAR ABOUT IT NOW,
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
UM, AND I WELCOME YOU TO, UH, PARTICIPATE AS WE GO THROUGH.
SO HERE'S THE AGENDA PROJECT UPDATE.
WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT WHAT WE'VE HEARD JUST MORE RECENTLY, UM, AND THEN SOME OF THE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES AND THE NEXT STEPS.
THIS IS JUST SAYING WE WANNA HEAR WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE.
SO THE LAST TIME WE MET WAS OVER IN, THROUGH HERE, RIGHT ON MARCH 24TH.
AND THIS IS, THIS IS WHERE WE WERE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND SHOULD WE BE TAKING THESE IDEAS.
YOUR INPUT WENT AND WHAT THE CITY COUNCILS, AND THEN WE ULTIMATELY WENT TO A WORKSHOP AS WELL AS A SURVEY.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE IN THAT FAR RIGHT CORNER.
WE'RE IN THAT RED SQUARE, UM, WHERE I'M UPDATING BOTH YOU AND THE CITY COUNCIL.
THIS IS THE NEXT STEPS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.
WE'LL GO INTO DRAFTING THE SPECIFIC PLAN OVER THE SUMMER AND FALL.
THEN THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS.
IN THIS CASE, WE KNOW IT'S IN THE EIR.
UM, AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE'D ANTICIPATE, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARINGS BEING IN THE SPRING.
SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
SO THIS POP-UP WORKSHOP IS THE SPRING FAMILY EXTRAVAGANZA, AND IT WAS HELD TO BONITA PARK ON APRIL 19TH, RIGHT BEFORE EASTER.
UM, THE IMAGES ARE FROM WHAT YOU SEE HERE, YOU CAN SEE THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF KIDS AND FAMILIES PARTICIPATING.
AND THEN WE TOOK THAT SAME INFORMATION, THAT SAME, UH, WORKSHOP INFORMATION AND WE PUT IT ONLINE.
THEY PUT IT ONLINE AND WAS UP ONLINE FOR ABOUT A MONTH.
WE HAD OVER 175 PARTICIPANTS AT THE WORKSHOP.
AND THOSE ARE PEOPLE WHO WENT THROUGH AND ACTUALLY PARTICIPATED IN MOST OF THE UM, UH, PLACES.
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WERE ASKING THEM TO SELECT AND MAKE CHOICES.THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE, SOME OTHER PEOPLE CAME IN, BUT THEY WERE JUST LIKE, DO ONE THING AND LEFT.
AND SO WE KIND OF DIDN'T COUNT THEM EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE SOME OF THEIR INFORMATION, IT'S LIKE IT WASN'T ENOUGH.
UM, AND THEN WE HAVE ABOUT 265 PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY TOOK THE SURVEY.
SO THAT'S ABOUT 440 ISH, UM, PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED.
THAT'S A HUGE NUMBER FOR A SPECIFIC PLAN.
SO WE DID, HAD A REALLY GOOD TURNOUT GETTING PEOPLE'S OPINIONS ON THE IDEAS THAT WE BROUGHT TO THEM AT THAT TIME.
IN, UM, APRIL, UH, UH, MARCH AND APRIL WHEN WE WERE HERE BEFORE WE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THREE DIFFERENT, UM, KIND OF LIKE CATALYST SITES OR AREAS THAT WERE KIND OF MORE, UM, IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT RATHER THAN THE WHOLE CORRIDOR ITSELF.
WE TALKED ABOUT VILLAGE SQUARE, CULTURAL CORE, AND THE HARBOR GATEWAY.
THAT'S WHAT WE TOOK TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT HAS SENSED OVER THE TIME NOW CHANGED INTO WHAT THE SPECIFIC PLAN IS.
'CAUSE THE SPECIFIC PLAN NEEDS TO LOOK AT THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR, NOT JUST THOSE THREE AREAS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT WE NOW HAVE SIX DIFFERENT DISTRICTS STARTING IN THE VERY FAR WEST.
WE HAVE IDAHO STREET RESIDENTIAL, AND THEN HARBOR GATEWAYS ALL THE WAY ON THE EAST.
TODAY'S PRESENTATION, WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT EACH ONE OF THESE DISTRICTS.
WE'RE GONNA BE TALKING ABOUT SOME LAND USE IDEAS, AS WELL AS SOME, UM, ROADWAY INFRASTRUCTURE IDEAS, UH, WITH YOU ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
SO IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME PATTERN, JUST SIX TIMES.
AND THE INFOR INFORMATION'S CHANGING A LITTLE BIT FOR CIRCULATION WISE.
UM, THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE IS THIS IS CONSIDERED A DOWNTOWN MAHA AVENUE.
WE'LL BE, UH, UH, EXCUSE ME, DOWNTOWN MAHA.
OUR NAME IS THAT AVENUE, UH, DOWNTOWN LAHABRA.
WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND THEN WE HAVE THE TWO, UH, ON THE TWO SIDES, IT'S MORE OF A GATEWAY, UM, LAND, OR EXCUSE ME, UH, ROADWAY CHANGES AND STUFF, DEALING MORE WITH GATEWAY AND ENTRANCE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF SETTING THIS UP ON THIS MAP ITSELF.
THESE GREEN LINES RIGHT THROUGH HERE ARE, UM, UH, BIKE IMPROVEMENTS AND THESE BLUER ONES.
UM, THOSE ARE, UM, UH, NEW, POSSIBLY NEW ROADWAY CONNECTIONS.
WHEN YOU ADD THIS MAP TO THIS MAP, YOU GET THIS MAP
SO THIS IS A LAYERING OF THEM ALL TOGETHER.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE SEEING FOR THE REST OF THIS KIND OF PRESENTATION.
SO THE FIRST NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE IDAHO STREET RESIDENTIAL.
AS YOU CAN SEE, HERE'S IDAHO STREET, HERE'S LAHABRA, AND THEN MONTE VISTA IS OVER ON THE FURTHER EAST.
IT IS PRIMARILY LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.
IT IS PRIMARILY HAS MEETINGS AND LANDSCAPING, AND IT HAS SIDEWALKS AND IT'S COMMUNITY SPACES.
IT'S, IT'S ON THE, AS YOU KNOW, IS ON THE FURTHEST WEST.
IT HAS A VERY DISTINCT DIFFERENT KIND OF CHARACTER THAN THE OTHER PARTS OF THE HOVER BOULEVARD.
AND IN THIS AREA, OUR VISION FOR IT IS THAT WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO PRESERVE THAT LOW DENSITY AND INTENSITY OF RESIDENTIAL.
WE'RE GONNA PROVE BY AND PE UH, PEDESTRIAN SAFE, UH, SAFETY AND WALKABILITY.
BUT THIS AREA IS REALLY GONNA BE SERVING AS KIND OF THE WELCOMING TO THE CORRIDOR.
IT'S GONNA BE AS PEOPLE DRIVE ALONG OR WALK THROUGH, UM, THE HUBBER BOULEVARD.
THIS AREA IS GOING TO BE SETTING THEM UP THAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO A NEW AND DIFFERENT DISTRICT.
AND THAT WOULD BE THE, THE HUBBER BOULEVARD CORRIDOR SPECIFIC CLIENT AREA.
SO THIS AREA THAT'S GONNA BE, IT'S A LOT OF ITS FUNCTION.
WE'RE GONNA BE REALLY LOOKING AT MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING THE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT THEY HAVE NOW.
UM, AND THEN, UM, UH, HAVING THEM SERVE AS THAT KIND OF TRANSITION.
AND SO THIS IS WHAT THIS IS TELLING US ABOUT THAT WE'RE, THERE IS SOME DIS IN THIS CURRENT PART, IT'S REALLY KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ARE, WHICH SAME AS THAT, THE SAME AS THE MAP.
BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE PROPOSING, UM, A A LITTLE BIT OF SOME HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO BE USED IN CERTAIN PLACES, IN CERTAIN AREAS TO, UM, BRING MORE ROOFTOPS TO THE AREA.
AS WE KNOW FROM, UM, ROGER DALE'S ANALYSIS, WHEN YOU HAVE MORE ROOFTOPS, IT ACTUALLY HELPS SUPPORT BUSINESSES 'CAUSE YOU HAVE MORE SPENT THE, THE ABILITY MORE PEOPLE HAVE SPENDING MORE MONEY.
SO, UH, FROM THE CIRCULATION PERSPECTIVE, AND ON THIS PIECE, AS YOU CAN TELL, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGES.
UM, THERE MAY HAVE SOME NORTH, THEY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF NORTH SOUTH CONNECTORS, BUT IT'S REALLY KIND OF JUST MORE FOCUSING ON ACCESS TO THE, UM, BIKE BIKE IMPROVEMENTS.
THE SECOND AREA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT TODAY IS THIS VILLAGE SQUARE, WHICH IS THE RED, YOU GUYS, WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT BEFORE.
HILLCREST, LAHABRA AND WALNUT ARE, ARE OUR, UM, BOUNDARIES.
THIS AREA, AS YOU KNOW, HAS VACANT LAND, HAS VACANT COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS THAT ARE THERE.
AS I WAS TELLING THE CITY COUNCIL, EVERY TIME I DRIVE BY THE SITE, THE PLANT ARMY GOES, OH MY GOD, LOOK
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AT THAT SITE.YOU CAN DO SO MUCH STUFF WITH IT.
UM, THAT IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY AT CATALYST, BUT THERE ISN'T ANY PUBLIC SPACE IN THAT.
AND WE KNOW FROM WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY IS THAT THAT NORTH GATES COM, UH, STORE THAT WAS THERE KIND OF ACTUALLY SERVED AS A LITTLE BIT OF A COMMUNITY OR SPACE, UM, THAT PEOPLE WOULD SEE THEIR NEIGHBORS AND SEE OTHER PEOPLE IN THAT AREA.
AND SO NOW THEY WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT KIND OF, NOT NECESSARILY A GROCERY STORE USED, BUT THAT KIND OF COMMUNITY FEEL IN THIS AREA AS WELL.
SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE SOME OF THE VISION IS ABOUT ENHANCING THAT LOCAL CHARACTER, REALLY LOOKING TO CREATE A SENSE OF PLACE.
MAYBE THERE'S A LITTLE PIECE OF THAT LARGER SITE THAT WE COULD HAVE SOME SORT OF PUBLIC PLAZA OR SOME SORT OF THE GREEN SPACE THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR PEOPLE TO GATHER A LITTLE BIT.
BUT, AND THEN WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT INCREASING PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY, ENHANCING THE STREETSCAPE.
BUT REALLY AND TRULY A LOT OF IT, WE'RE LOOKING AT PRIORITIZING LONG-TERM DEVELOPMENT ON THAT SITE.
NOT USES THAT ARE GONNA TRANSITION EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS TO REALLY THINK ABOUT HOW DO WE RETHINK THAT GREAT CATALYTIC SITE, UH, AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
SOME OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN CHANGES AND THAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT IS, FOR EXAMPLE, RIGHT NOW IT IS, UM, UH, DESIGNATED FOR NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL, JUST YOUR PLAIN OLD NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL.
UM, AND WE'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT IF WE INCREASE THAT THE DENSITY OR THE INTENSITY OF USE.
AND THE IDEA BEHIND THAT IS THINKING IF THEY'RE GONNA ALLOW FOR MORE INTENSITY OF USE THAT WE, YES, THE BUILDINGS MAY BE A LITTLE BIT BIGGER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT MAYBE IN EXCHANGE WE COULD GET SOME PUBLIC SPACE AND MAYBE THERE'S THAT TRADE OFF THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN THERE.
AND THEN OF COURSE, THEN WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT WHAT IF WE, RIGHT NOW IT'S COMMERCIAL.
WHAT IF WE, WE THINK ABOUT MAKING THIS A MIXED USE SITE AS OPPOSED TO A COMMERCIAL SITE WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE SOME RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF LIKE FERMENTING IN OUR HEADS.
AND, AND YOU MAY COME OUT, BUT WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOU TO TELL US YOUR OPINIONS AS WE GO THROUGH.
OR EVEN AT THE END ABOUT LIKE, THAT DON'T LIKE THIS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO HEAR.
SO THAT'S THE LAND USE CHANGES FOR THIS.
WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CIRCULATION, WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT RIGHT HERE.
THERE'S LIKE, UH, A CROSSWALK UPGRADE, A HIGH VISIBILITY CROSSWALK UPGRADE, BETTER BIKES ALIGNING IN THROUGH HERE.
SO THAT'S REALLY KIND OF FOCUSING ON WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS PART OF THE CORRIDOR.
CLASS THREE BIKE TRAFFIC, CALMING FEATURES AND IMPROVED CROSSWALKS, UM, SO THAT PEOPLE CAN GET ACROSS THE STREET SIMILAR SAFELY AND EASILY.
THE THIRD SECTION IS THE COMMERCIAL CORE.
AND THE COMMERCIAL CORE PRETTY MUCH LINKS THE VILLAGE SQUARE TO THE CULTURAL CORE, WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THE CULTURAL CORE LAST TIME.
THIS IS A REALLY KIND OF LONG, LONG SKINNY PIECE.
UM, BUT IT IS, IT WOULD BE THE GLUE THAT'S KIND OF HOLDING THE, THE TWO, UH, THE CORE TOGETHER, CORE PIECES TOGETHER.
HERE AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE ER IS ON THE TOP.
LA HABRA BOULEVARD'S IN THE MIDDLE AND WEST FIRST IS DOWN ON THE LOWER PART OF THIS.
WHAT I DO WANNA POINT OUT TO YOU, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN UM, SOME OF THE OTHER PLACES IS THAT, UM, IF THIS IS LA HABRA, HERE'S AN ALLEYWAY RUNNING RIGHT BEHIND IT, RIGHT BEHIND THESE HOUSES.
UM, THE WAY THAT THE SPECIFIC PLAN IS READS NOW IS THAT THESE PARCELS ARE DESIGNATED MIXED USE, BUT IF IT'S, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT THEM CAREFULLY, YOU'LL SEE THAT THESE ARE ALL RESIDENTIAL PARCELS.
THEY'RE ALL RESIDENT, THEY'RE BUILT WITH RESIDENTIAL USES.
THE RESIDENTIAL USES ACTUALLY MATCHED THE STREET PATTERN ACROSS THE STREET AND ACTUALLY MATCHED THE, THE HOUSING ITSELF MATCHES MANY OF THE STUFF THAT'S ACROSS THE STREET TOO.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, I'M JUST GO TO, LET ME GO BACK PAST AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK.
ONE OF THE THREE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS ON THESE THREE PARCEL SETS OF PARCELS OVER BY ABOVE THE ALLEY, WHAT IF WE TAKE THEM OUT OF THE MIXED USE COURT DESIGNATION? I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY, THE PREVIOUS, UM, SPECIFIC PLAN PUT THEM IN MIXED USE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WAY WE WOULD'VE THOUGHT AT THAT TIME.
IT WAS BECAUSE THE IDEA WAS THAT, OH, IF THERE'S A REALLY GOOD PROJECT COMING IN, WE CAN, WE CAN BRIDGE THE, THE ALLEY, WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
THERE'LL BE THIS GREAT MIXED USE PROJECT.
BUT OVER THE TIME, MIXED USE HASN'T COME IN.
SO WHAT ABOUT OUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT IF WE TAKE THESE OUT OF MISUSE AND PUT THEM BACK INTO RESIDENTIAL SO THAT THEY ACTUALLY DEAL COMPLETE THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY A PART OF? SO I'M GONNA SKIP BACK AND GO BACK TO THE VISION PART.
UM, AS WE TALKED ABOUT IT IS THE CONNECTION.
UM, SOME OF THE THOUGHTS IS TO PROVIDE MORE COMMUNITY GATHERING SPACES, PRIORITIZE LOCAL BUSINESSES AND SMALL
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BUSINESSES IN THAT LONGER QUARTER AND HAVING A RETAIL DESTINATION SPUR ON A LOCAL KIND OF A LOCAL PERSPECTIVE.SO AS I SAID, ONE OF THE EARLY FIRST THOUGHTS IS CHANGING THOSE THREE KIND OF BLOCK SEGMENTS INTO RESIDENTIAL AS OPPOSED TO MIXED USE.
UM, AND THEN, UM, JUST REALLY KEEPING THE OTHER DESIGNATIONS THE SAME, BUT REALLY KIND OF WORKING ON ENHANCING THEIR VIABILITY AND LOOKING AT THOSE, UH, THE, UM, DESIGNATIONS IN AND OF THEMSELVES.
WHAT WHAT MIGHT WE BE ABLE TO DO TO ENCOURAGE, UM, MORE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THOSE LINES? AND THIS IS ONE OF THE OTHER CONCEPTS THAT WE HAVE, IS THE IDEA OF A NEW MIXED USE DESIGNATION.
AND THAT NEW MIXED USE DESIGNATION RIGHT NOW, YOUR CURRENT MIXED USE, IT ALLOWS YOU FOR BOTH RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL TO BE DEVELOPED ON THE SAME SITE.
OUR NEW MIXED USE DESIGNATION WOULD PLAY WITH THE IDEA OF YOU CAN DO TRADITIONAL MIXED USE LIKE THAT, OR YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO BUILD A, BUILD AN ALL, ALL, UM, RESIDENTIAL PROJECT OR EVEN AN ALL COMMERCIAL PROJECT.
AND THE IDEA THAT MIXED USE, THAT NEW MIXED USE, UM, DESIGNATION WOULD ALLOW FOR THE ECONOMICS AND THE MARKET TO COME INTO PLAY MORE IF THE MARKET IS REALLY DRIVING THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AWAY FROM A MIXED USE DESIGNATION, LETTING THAT ACTUALLY HAPPEN.
SO YOU ACTUALLY DO SEE THE DEVELOPMENT AS OPPOSED TO MANDATING THE MIXED USE.
THAT SAID, MIXED USE MIGHT BE THE
AND YOU CAN PROBABLY SEE THAT, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER IDEA.
WE'RE ALSO BRIEFLY TALKING ABOUT, AND THIS GOES ACROSS TO ALL, ALL ACROSS THE BOARD, BUT WHAT ABOUT IF WE REDUCE SOME OF THE PARKING STANDARDS AS CITY STAFF HAS, CAN TELL YOU THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THAT THEY'LL HAVE A BUSINESS COME TO THEM AND WANNA BE THERE.
BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY YOUR ORDINANCE IN THE SPECIFIC LINE IS WRITTEN IS YOU HAVE TO MAP, MAKE THAT PARKING.
SO IF YOU NEED PER THE WHATEVER LIST OF THE CODE SAYS YOU NEED 10 PARKING SPACES, BUT IF YOU'RE ONLY REALLY ABLE TO PRODUCE FIVE, THAT BUSINESS HAS TO GO AWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN'T BUILD IT OR THEY CAN'T BE THERE.
SO WE'RE SAYING, WHAT IF WE STRATEGICALLY LOOK AT THE PARKING STANDARDS AND IS THERE A WAY, IF THAT'S GOING TO, IF THAT'S HOLDING A DEVELOPMENT, WHAT CAN WE DO TO OFFSET SOME OF THAT OR TO CHANGE SOME OF THOSE PARKING STANDARDS STILL SO THAT PARKING IS MADE AVAILABLE AND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE PARKING, YOU KNOW, UH, PARKING OCCURRING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS OR IN OTHER PLACES.
SO HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN? BUT IS THERE A POSSIBILITY TO RIGHT SIZE PARKING AS OPPOSED TO, UM, SOME OF YOUR LARGER PARKING STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE? NOW, SOME OF THE CIRCULATION WISE, THERE'S A COUPLE MORE THINGS GOING ON ON IN THIS CORRIDOR, AS YOU SAID.
HERE'S ANOTHER, UM, IN THIS LITTLE DISTRICT, HERE'S ANOTHER HIGH VISIBILITY, A CROSSWALK.
YOU HAVE BOTH ERNA AND FIRST TO HAVE A NEW BIT.
HAVING THE CLASS, UH, THE CLASS THREE BIKE SYSTEM, UM, AND SOME OTHER TRAFFIC CALMING FEATURES THROUGHOUT THE CORRIDOR.
WE KEEP HEARING, UM, OVER THE NEED FOR SLOWING TRAFFIC DOWN, MAKING IT MORE WALKABLE, MAKING THE CORRIDOR, UM, BETTER FOR BIKES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THIS IS KIND OF A, A MOTIF, NOT A MOTIF, BUT AN IDEA THAT GETS CARRIED ALL THE WAY THROUGH A THEME THAT GETS CARRIED ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
AND YOU HEAR ME TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO TO DECREASE, UM, TO INCREASE SAFETY AND, UM, UH, AND INCREASE SOME OF THE CONFLICTS THAT WE SEE AT THIS POINT.
THE NEXT, UM, DISTRICT THAT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT IS THIS CULTURAL CORE.
WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT IT LAST TIME FROM EL CENTRO PARK DOWN TO PORTOLA PARK.
IT GOES REALLY NORTH AND SOUTH A A LOT MORE, AS YOU CAN SEE HERE.
RIGHT NOW MAINE KIND OF TERMINATES IN A, A, UH, CUL-DE-SAC.
AND THIS IS NOW USED FOR PARKING ACROSS THE WAY IS ORANGE AND IT STOPS AS WELL.
AND WE'RE, AND THE REASON WHY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT IS 'CAUSE WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT POSSIBLE CHANGES.
SO BOTH OF THOSE, I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TO YOU AT THIS POINT, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS IS THAT THERE'S LIMITED ACCESS BETWEEN THE PARTS.
IT'S HARD TO GET FROM ONE PART TO THE OTHER.
AND RIGHT NOW THE GREEN OF THE PARKS ARE REALLY KIND OF OFF THE CORRIDOR AND WE'RE TRYING TO LIKE, FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING SOME OF THAT GREEN AND HOW TO BE, BRING SOME OF THAT OPEN SPACE CLOSER TO IT BEING USED, UH, AND AND TO BE USED THROUGH THE CORRIDOR AS NARROW SIDEWALKS.
UM, WE HAVE VERY LIMITED STREET, UH, STREET FURNITURE.
SO IT'S NOT REALLY CONDUCIVE TO PEOPLE WALKING FROM ONE PARK TO THE OTHER PARK OR EVEN FROM CITY HALL TO SOMEWHERE ELSE BECAUSE THERE'S, IT'S NOT JUST NOT REAL COMFORTABLE, BUT WE HAVE A GOOD THING, WHICH IS THE ESTABLISHED, UM, CIVIC CENTER BOTH ACROSS, UM, THE HARBOR BOULEVARD FROM HERE AND, AND THE CITY HALL COMPLEX IN AND OF ITSELF.
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ONLY THAT, THE CORRIDOR HAS, UH, EXCUSE ME, NOT THE CORRIDOR THE DISTRICT HAS.UM, IN THE FURTHER SOUTH YOU HAVE THE MUSEUMS AND THE THEATERS.
YOU HAVE A LOT OF REALLY GOOD CULTURAL ART STUFF GOING ON, CAPITALIZING ON THAT AND REALLY MAKING THAT THE DESTINATION.
SO THAT IN THE END OF THIS, UH, WHEN WE'RE DOING THIS SPECIFIC PLANT, THE CULTURAL CORE IS REALLY GONNA BE THE FIRST CATALYST SITE.
IT'S GONNA BE THE BIGGEST STEP INTO THE, UH, FUTURE ABOUT WHAT, HOW THINGS THAT ARE CHANGING AND WHERE THEY'RE GOING.
SO SOME OF THE VISION IS A REALLY VIBRANT AND WALKABLE COMMUNITY WITH HIGH QUALITY DESIGN, ENHANCED STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS.
STREET SCAPE ELEMENTS MEANS LIGHTING, DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, SEAT SEATING, STUFF LIKE THAT.
AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.
AND THEN LINKING, TRULY LINKING THE EXISTING PARKS AND THE EXISTING GREEN SPACES TO NOT ONLY HALAL HARBOR BOULEVARD, BUT TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE, UH, CORRIDOR ITSELF.
FROM THE LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, WE TALKED ABOUT THE LA WE TA, UM, AND THAT WAS LIKE THIS REALLY HIGHLY INTENSIFIED GREEN SPACE COMMERCIAL SPACE.
AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE IMAGES OF IT.
AND THAT COMMUNITY, IT REACTED REALLY WELL TO THAT.
THEY THOUGHT THAT WAS, THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD IDEAS.
SO THERE IDEAS THAT IF WE'RE GONNA, UM, HAVE THIS ALLAY AND THIS GREEN SPACE, HOW ARE WE GONNA COORDINATE THAT WORK MORE, BETTER, MORE EFFECTIVELY? AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I TALKED ABOUT ORANGE AND MAIN STREET, WHAT ABOUT IF WE USE PUNCH ORANGE THROUGH TO LA HABER BOULEVARD AND MAIN STREET, TURN IT IN FROM A PARKING LOT TO ACTUALLY THIS ALLAY.
SO YOU'RE USE USING THIS GREEN SPACE TO CONNECT THE PARK DOWN THROUGH TO LA HARBOR BOULEVARD.
AND THEN ACROSS THAT STREET FROM ANOTHER, UM, PERSPECTIVE OF LAND USE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDING IN SOME LOWER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AS WELL AS MIXED USE.
MIXED USE IS REALLY A GOOD USE IN THE SENSE THAT IT ALLOWS, HAS LOTS OF REALLY GOOD BENEFITS.
PEOPLE WHO TEND TO LIVE IN MIXED USE TEND TO DRIVE A LITTLE BIT LESS, THEY TEND TO WALK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UM, PEOPLE WHO HAVE MIXED USE ARE ALSO USUALLY ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE A TAD BIT MORE, UM, INCOME AND THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, SPENDING IT A LITTLE BIT BETTER.
SO IT'S GOT A LOT OF REALLY GOOD, GREAT THINGS ABOUT MIXED USE.
THE I, BUT THE PROBLEM WITH MIXED USE IS IF YOU HAVE IT ONE MIXED USE STRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT AND YOU HAVE LIKE FOUR OR FIVE BLOCKS BEFORE YOU GET THE OTHER, THERE IS NO SYNERGY, THERE'S NOTHING.
AND THERE'S REALLY NO INCENTIVE FOR THE PERSON LIVING IN THIS MIXED USE COMPLEX TO DRIVE TO WALK TWO OR THREE BLOCKS TO GO TO THE OTHER ONE AND MAYBE PICK UP AND GO TO THE ICE CREAM STORE OR WHATEVER IT IS THERE THAT SYNERGY IS LACKING.
SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT FOCUSING THE MIXED USE AND PUTTING IN PLACES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE SO YOU GET ALL THE BENEFITS OF IT WITHOUT SOME OF THE DOWNSIDES BECAUSE THERE IS DOWNSIDES OF THE, OF MIXED USE.
'CAUSE IT TENDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DENSITY AND INTENSITY.
SO IT'S TAKING THAT AND ORGANIZING 'EM SO THAT IT'S NOT THROUGHOUT THE QUARTER ITSELF, BUT IT MAKES SENSE WHERE THEY ARE.
AND IT'S SO THAT YOU GET THE BENEFITS, UH, TO THAT THIS WOULD BE THE INITIAL INVESTMENT, THIS IS THE ROADWAY INVESTMENT.
THIS IS A BIG CHANGE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE WOULD START IT IN THE CULTURAL CORE TO SAY WE ARE THE, THE CORRIDORS IS HERE, WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO NEW LIFE.
WE'RE MAKING THIS NEW WAY AND HERE'S SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I LOVE THAT.
UM, THERE WERE TWO THAT WERE PRESENT, TWO IDEAS THAT WERE PRESENTED THROUGH THE COMMUNITY IN, AT THE WORKSHOP AND THEN THE SURVEY, UM, THE WORKSHOP ONE PEOPLE CALL IT.
WE REALLY LIKE THIS IDEA CONCEPT BETTER THAN THE SECOND.
AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
THIS CONCEPT IS THE IDEA OF DIAGONAL PARKING OR ANGLED PARKING.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, WE'VE CHANGED THE ROAD.
EXCUSE ME, HERE'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE NOW.
FOUR LANES, CHANGING IT TO TWO LANES, HAVING DIAGONAL PARKING OR ANGLED PARKING.
EMPHASIZE THE STREET, THE CROSSWALKS.
WE'RE GONNA PUSH OUT THE SIDEWALKS A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO YOU HAVE DINING, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ALSO HAVE SOME BIKE FACILITIES AND YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE JUST MORE SPACE, BETTER, WIDER SIDEWALKS.
THE OTHER ALTERNATIVE, UH, TO THIS WAS THE IDEA THAT SIMILAR BUT IT WOULD BE PARALLEL PARKING.
UH, THAT WAS ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE WORKSHOP AND IT ITSELF.
AND THE, AND THE, UM, SURVEY PEOPLE IN THE SURVEY TENDED TO LIKE THE PARALLEL PARKING BETTER THAN THIS.
SO AT FIRST, WHEN WE FIRST CAME OUTTA THE WORKSHOP, THIS WAS LIKE HANDS DOWN WINTER, LONG WAY EVERYBODY, NOT EVERYBODY, BUT MOST PEOPLE WERE CHOOSING THIS.
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WASN'T UNTIL THE SURVEY THAT THE OTHER ONE STARTED TO COME UP.SO NOW WE'RE REALLY KIND OF THINKING THIS IS STILL OUR, PROBABLY OUR LEAD, BUT WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SAME KIND OF CONCEPTS BUT NOT HAVE THE DIAGONAL PARKING OR THE ANGLE PARKING.
SO WE'LL BE WORKING WITH THAT A LITTLE BIT.
ARE THERE, DO PEOPLE GIVE THEIR REASONS WHY THEY PREFER THE PARALLEL PARKING? 'CAUSE I COULD TELL YOU WHY I PREFER THIS TO THE PARALLEL PARKING.
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS JUST EASIER.
THEY'RE NOT INTERESTED IN BACKING UP ON THOSE STREET.
UM, WE DID GET A FAIR NUMBER OF COMMENTS ABOUT THEY DON'T WANT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF LANES BECAUSE THEY'RE USING LAVA BOULEVARD TO GO BACK AND FORTH AS FAST AS THEY CAN.
I THINK I'M THE ONLY COMMISSIONER THAT ACTUALLY LIVES IN THIS AREA.
THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY DIRECTLY AFFECTED BY ANY OF THIS.
AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, I WALK THIS STREET ALL THE TIME.
I FREQUENT THESE COFFEE SHOPS.
I, YOU KNOW, SO I KNOW THAT PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, I KNOW METHODOLOGY MM-HMM
BUT I COULD TELL YOU AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THAT AREA, THIS IS THE PREFERRED PLAN, NOT WHAT EVERYBODY'S USED TO.
BECAUSE I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT WANTS TO REDUCE THE SPEED ON THE HABER BOULEVARD.
I DON'T WANT YOU DRIVING 60 MILES PER HOUR ON THE HABRA.
I DON'T, AND I KNOW PEOPLE, PEOPLE DRIVE 70 MILES PER HOUR EVEN BY A POLICE STATION
LIKE WHAT? CAN'T DO THAT HERE.
AND WE HAVE A SCHOOL, YOU DO HAVE A SCHOOL AND YOU HAVE KIDS WALKING ACROSS THIS STREET, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A LIBRARY CHILDREN, THERE'S A, THEY CAMP LIKE, RIGHT? AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONNECTING PARKS, THE PARKS, YEAH.
THEY'RE GONNA BE GOING ACROSS TOO, RIGHT? WE AGREE WITH YOU.
UM, ONE OF THE CONCEPTS IN THIS AREA IS THE IDEA OF PARK ONCE, AND WE WOULD PROBABLY DO THIS IN THE CULTURAL CORE.
FIRST THE IDEA OF PARK ONCE IS THAT YOU PARK YOUR CAR IN A PUBLIC PARKING LOT AND THEN YOU WALK TO THE ICE CREAM STORE OR YOU WALK TO PIZZA AND THEN YOU WALK TO THE DRY CLEANERS.
AND THEN, SO YOU DON'T MOVE YOUR CAR EVERY TIME YOU'RE CHANGING A LOCATION.
SO AS YOU PARK ONCE AND THEN YOU WALK AROUND, UM, WE WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE A PARK ONCE PARKING LOT TO START OFF.
UM, AND THE REASON WHY WE'D HAVE A PARKING LOT, 'CAUSE SURFACE PARKING LOTS ARE EASIER THAN STRUCTURE, BUT THE IDEA IS EVENTUALLY YOU'RE GONNA GO TO A PARKING STRUCTURE THAT THAT WOULD THEN FREE UP SOME OF THE LAND THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING USED AS PARKING LOTS TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
IT CAN BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S HELPING THIS YOUR, THIS CULTURAL COURT BE VIBRANT AND YOU'RE PUTTING THE PARKING IN A PARKING STRUCTURE, BUT PARKING STRUCTURES TAKE A WHILE AND THEY'RE MORE EXPENSIVE.
SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT THERE'S A FIRST PHASE WHERE IT'S A PARKING LOT AND THEN YOU EVENTUALLY GO TO A PARKING STRUCTURE.
SO WE'RE NOW DOWN TO THE WASHINGTON MIDDLE, WHICH IS THE LARGEST, PHYSICALLY THE LARGEST, UM, CORE, OR EXCUSE ME, DISTRICT.
AND THIS IS THE ONE IN PURPLE HAS WASHINGTON MIDDLE AS THEIR, AS YOUR PRIMARY THING.
AND YOU CAN SEE HERE BY ALL OF THESE, UM, DIFFERENT, THERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT, UM, UH, CROSSWALK CONFIGURATIONS.
THIS ONE IS A NOT ONLY CROSSWALK UPS, RIGHT? THERE'S A CURB EXTENSION.
SO WE'RE PULLING OUT, AGAIN, A LITTLE BIT OF CURB EXTENSION.
AND THIS DISTRICT WE'RE REALLY KIND OF FOCUSING ON, UM, SAFETY, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL AND TEENAGERS AND TEENAGERS ARE TEENAGERS AND THEY, YOU KNOW, CUT ACROSS THE STREET, YOU KNOW, AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF.
SO HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE STUDENTS, THE FAMILIES PICKING UP THEIR KIDS? HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE KIDS WAITING FOR THE BUS? HOW DO YOU MAKE IT SAFER FOR THE KIDS THAT ARE WALKING? SO, BUT IN ADDITION, FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF AUTOMOBILE USES.
YOU HAVE MEDIANS, YOU HAVE LIMITED PEDESTRIAN PARKING AND THE LACK OF SHADE AT THE TRANSIT STOPS.
THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE KIND OF PICKING UP AND HEARING ABOUT IS LIKE WE AND THE TRAFFIC, UM, CONSULTANTS ARE SAYING IS, IF YOU REALLY WANNA IMPROVE PUBLIC TRANSIT AND RIDERSHIP, YOU NEED TO MAKE IT MORE COMFORTABLE TO ACTUALLY WAIT FOR THOSE BUSES.
SO YOU AREN'T STANDING OUT IN THE, YOU KNOW, 90 DEGREE WEATHER IN THE BLA IN THE SUN.
WHAT IF THEY HAD SHADE STRUCTURE? SO THINKING ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT, SOME OF THE VISION FOR THIS MIDDLE OF WASHINGTON, IT'S ALL ABOUT, AS I SAID, IT'S REALLY ALL ABOUT PEDESTRIAN SAFETY AND WALKABILITY, SLOWING THE VEHICLE SPEED, ENCOURAGING MORE MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, BRINGING MORE ROOFTOPS INTO THIS ONE PART OF THE CORRIDOR SO THAT YOU HAS INCREASES THAT BUYING POWER NEIGHBOR.
BUT THERE'D BE THE RETAIL USES WOULD BE MORE NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING KIND OF USES RATHER THAN LARGER REGIONAL DESTINATION KIND OF USES.
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SCENARIO AGAIN, WHERE YOU HAVE A WHOLE BUNCH OF THESE RESIDENTIAL UNITS THAT ARE ACTUALLY BUILT AS RESIDENTIAL THAT ARE CURRENTLY MIXED USE.AND WE'RE SUGGESTING THEY GO BACK TO BEING DESIGNATED RESIDENTIAL SO THAT IT WOULDN'T BE ENCOURAGING THE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS TO TAKE OVER FROM THAT.
AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT, UM, MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND MIXED USE, UM, DESIGNATIONS IN AND AROUND THIS AREA.
THEY EACH HAVE THEIR OWN SETS OF RULES AND THIS WAS NOT, UM, AN UNCOMMON SITUATION FOR SPECIFIC PLANS WHEN YOUR SPECIFIC, WHEN THE SPECIFIC PLAN WAS WRITTEN.
WE WERE VERY, WHEN, YOU KNOW, I EVEN WROTE THESE, WE WERE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED TO HAPPEN.
SINCE THEN, WE'RE A LITTLE MORE THINKING ABOUT MARKET DRIVEN.
AND WE'D ALSO PROPOSE, LIKE YOU SAID, SOME MORE RESIDENTIAL UNITS COMING IN TO IT AS WELL.
WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR THE, UM, AND I TOUCHED ON IT REAL BRIEFLY BEFORE, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INCRE, THE IMPROVING THE CROSSWALKS.
WE'RE ALSO IMPROVING THE, THE BIKES COMING ON BOTH SIDES AND THEN THE BETTER LINKAGES BACK OVER HERE INTO THE, BACK INTO THE CULTURAL CORE AS WELL.
BUT REALLY AND TRULY MORE THAN ANYTHING, MCPHERSON EXTENDING THIS, THE BULB, EXTENDING THE ROADWAY OUT TO MAKE THAT A SHORTER STREET SO THAT THE KIDS WHO ARE CROSSING THAT STREET ARE NOT, IT'S NOT CROSSING QUITE SO WIDE.
THE LAST, UM, AREA THAT WE WANNA TALK ABOUT IS THE HARBOR GATEWAY.
AND I TOLD YOU AT THE LAST MEETING, UM, AND I'LL SAY, WE'LL SAY IT AGAIN, THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND KOA WHO ARE TRAFFIC CONSULTANTS ON THIS PROJECT ALL SAY, AND WE ALL ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE LANE CONFIGURATION AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS AT THE, THE HA HARBOR INTERCHANGE WORK.
AND IT'S NOT LIKELY THAT WE'RE GONNA BE CHANGING INTO THAT BECAUSE WHAT IF YOU CHANGE ANY OF THE ROADWAY CONFIGURATIONS AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD HAVE IMPACTS, NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THE WAY THE TRAFFIC IS MOVING THROUGH AND NOT, AND THERE WAS NOT NECESSARILY IMPACTS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE.
THE IMPACT WERE NEGATIVE OR IMPACTS THAT ARE NEGATIVE.
AND WE WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE THEM.
IT WASN'T LIKE, OH, WE'LL SLOW THE TRAFFIC, BUT WE'LL GET THESE OTHER BENEFITS.
IT'LL BE LIKE, THIS WOULD MESS IT UP.
SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE ROADWAY AND INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES THERE, THEY ARE MUCH MORE MINOR AND NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT A FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE.
SO HERE WE HAVE, UM, AS YOU CAN TELL, HERE'S HARBOR AND LA HARBOR.
THIS IS STEARNS, THIS IS ERNA.
WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT ERNA IN A BIT.
UM, THAT'S WHAT THIS KIND OF, UM, THE DISTRICT LOOKS LIKE CURRENTLY HAS A LOT OF AUTO USES THAT.
IT'S A REALLY WIDE THOROUGH AFFAIRS.
THERE'S VACANT LAND, THERE ARE VACANT BUILDINGS.
YOU HAVE THE FORMER DEALERSHIP SITES, WHICH AGAIN, ANOTHER GREAT SITE BUT HAS NOT YET BEEN DEVELOPED.
YOU HAVE, UM, ON SOME OF THE OTHER SHOPPING CENTERS, THEY'RE BEING REDONE.
SO THERE'S MORE, UM, POTENTIAL WITH THAT TOO.
BUT EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD, THEY'VE HAD THESE, UH, OPEN VACANCIES, THERE HASN'T BEEN A REAL BIG PUSH, UM, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.
SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHY AND WHAT IS THE BEST KIND OF ATTRACTOR TO MAKE SOME OF THAT CHANGE.
WE'RE LOOKING AT RE-IMAGINING AND REPURPOSING THE VACANT AND UNDERUTILIZED LAND.
LIKE WE ARE SEEING THIS AS MORE AS A SUB-REGIONAL DESTINATION SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD COME TO THE AREA, COME TO THIS, THEY WOULDN'T DRIVE HALF HOUR, 40 MINUTES TO GET HERE, BUT THEY MAY DRIVE 15 MINUTES TO GET TO THIS SITE.
IT'S A SUB-REGIONAL DESTINATION OF GOODS OR SERVICES OR SOMETHING ELSE LIKE THAT IN THE SPOT.
WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE BUS STOPS.
WE'RE LOOKING TO IMPROVE THE GATEWAY CONCEPT OF ADDING IN MORE, UH, UH, IN, UH, GATEWAY SIGNAGE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE IT ON THE, THE, I'M NOT, NOT SHOWING YOU THE IMAGE OF WHEN I GET TO THE IMAGE, I SHOWED THE IDEA OF A GATEWAY IMAGE ON BOTH SIDES OF BOTH ON THE VERY FAR WEST AND THE VERY FAR EAST IS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE PERHAPS AN OVER THE ROADWAY SIGN THAT SAYS YOU'RE ENTERING THE HABER BOULEVARD CORRIDOR.
MAYBE THERE'S SOME OTHER SIGNAGE, MONUMENTAL ART KIND OF PIECES THAT ARE SAYING YOU'RE NOW IN THE LOW HABER BOULEVARD CORRIDOR TELLING PEOPLE IT'S A DIFFERENT PLACE AND A DIFFERENT HAS A DIFFERENT CHARACTER.
THE BOTH OF THOSE GATEWAYS, THAT'S GONNA BE SOME OF THEIR INTENTION IS TO, IS TO, UM, HIGHLIGHT THAT AS WELL AS TO PROVIDE SOME DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW TO GO DOWN
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INTO THE CORRIDOR TO GET TO THESE OTHER, LIKE TO THE CULTURAL CORE.SO IT'S, IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF WAY FINDING, HELPING PEOPLE GET OFF OF HARBOR BOULEVARD AND GET OFF, EXCUSE ME, GET OFF HARBOR BOULEVARD AND COME INTO, INTO THE CORE ITSELF.
HERE'S AN, HERE'S THE PICTURE.
THIS IS IN, THIS IS IN THE GAS CO, UH, GASLAND CORD IN SAN DIEGO.
BUT THAT'S ONE OF THOSE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE THE SIGNAGE MIGHT BE OVER THE WHOLE, UH, WHOLE STREET.
THE COMMUNITY HAD, UM, MIXED WHEN WE ASKED THEM ABOUT WHAT TYPE OF SIGNAGE, UM, THEY LIKE, THEY BASICALLY LIKE THEM ALL
UM, BUT SO WE GET, HAVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT THAT.
CURRENTLY, RIGHT NOW, MOST OF THE, UM, AREA FROM A LAND USE PERSPECTIVE IS COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY AS WELL AS HAVING SOME MIXED USE.
WE'RE REALLY KIND OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT ABOUT THAT NEW MIXED USE CATEGORY THAT WOULD ALLOW MIXED USE COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL.
AGAIN, ALLOWING THAT, UM, THE MARKETING, THE MARKET AND NOT MARKETING, BUT MARKET AND ECONOMICS TO DICTATE WHAT'S GOING ON HERE A LITTLE BIT MORE.
SO IT'S GIVING US, ALLOW SOME FLEXIBILITY.
AS WE SAID BEFORE, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE, THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A WHOLE LOT OF CHANGE ON, UM, AT THE HARBOR AND HARBOR IN ITSELF.
BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHAT IF WE EXTEND EARN A THROUGH? WAIT A MINUTE, I SEE YOUR NO, BUT WAIT A MINUTE.
I'VE LIVED ON THAT STREET FOR 27 YEARS.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE MY MIND.
UM, ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS IS MAYBE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A ROAD.
WHAT IF IT'S JUST OPEN FOR BIKES AND PEDESTRIANS THAT I LIKE AND SO WILL MY NEIGHBORS.
AND THE REASON WHY IS PROBABLY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME.
YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT PEOPLE DRIVING, BUT YOU WANT ACCESS.
YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE TO WALK ALL THE WAY AROUND, RIGHT.
ESPECIALLY IF THIS TURNS INTO SOMETHING THAT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO.
SO THAT'S THE IDEA IS IT'S REALLY COMMON IN SPECIFIC PLAN WORLD AND IN PLANNING THE TYPE OF PLANNING I DO, WHEN YOU HAVE REALLY LARGE PARCELS LIKE THAT, YOU INTRODUCE, YOU WANNA BREAK THEM UP TO HAVE THEM SMALLER, BE ALMOST SMALLER BLOCKS SO THAT IT KIND OF RESEMBLES MORE OF THE STREET PATTERN AROUND IT AND NOT THIS REALLY MASSIVE PARCEL.
SO THAT'S THE PIPE WHERE NO ONE'S WEDDED TO THIS, BUT IT'S LIKE, THERE'S JUST AN IDEA.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND THEN OF COURSE THEN, UM, IMPROVING YOUR, UH, A CROSSWALK THERE AS WELL.
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE STERNS JUST CLOSED OFF, BUT I KNOW THAT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN.
BUT MAN, I WOULD LOVE JUST STERNS NO ACCESS FROM, FROM HARVARD BOULEVARD AND JUST EXTEND OUT THAT WHOLE, ALL THAT DEVELOPED PART INTO AN ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICT OR WHATEVER YOU'RE CALLING IT, THE, THE GATEWAY, THE HARBOR GATEWAY.
BUT DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? LIKE IF STERNS WAS BLOCKED OFF AND THEN ALL OF THIS, ALL OF THESE, SO YOU'RE MOVING UP INTO HERE TOO.
YEAH, LIKE ALL OF THOSE, IT'S JUST EXTENDED ALL THE WAY THROUGH MAYBE A PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW, THAT SERVICES ALL THE SURROUNDING AWESOME BUSINESSES THAT YOU GUYS ARE GONNA BRING IN
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALL THINK ABOUT AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THIS AT ALL.
IT'S INTERESTING FOR US TO HEAR.
SO, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THAT WAS A MORE OF A BIGGER, BIGGER KIND OF CHANGE.
IT'S LIKE, WHAT IF WE DO THIS? AND WE'VE CERTAINLY HEARD YOUR, WE'VE HEARD YOUR OPINION.
UM, SO WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER, I'M GONNA, WE'RE GONNA SWITCH GEARS IN A SECOND.
IS THERE ANYTHING YOU ELSE YOU WANNA TELL ME ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT INCREASING RESIDENTIAL, THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTIAL USES BEING, UH, MOVING, UH, BEING, PRIORITIZING MIXED USE, BUT PUTTING IT IN STRATEGIC PLACES RATHER THAN ACROSS THE BOARD, UM, IN ALLOWING THOSE PARCELS NORTH OF THE ALLEY TO RETURN TO THE RESIDENTIAL? IS THERE ANYTHING YOU GUYS WANNA TELL ME BEFORE WE SWITCH GEARS? I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S A GREAT USE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF A WEIRD MOVE TO MAKE THE MIXED USE IN THE BEGINNING ONLY BECAUSE I KNOW THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT JUST DIDN'T SEEM LIKE IT WAS EVER GONNA GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
UM, BUT I, YEAH, SO IT, IT SEEMS IT MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO GO BACK TO RESIDENTIAL.
IT'S JUST THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT FITS THE HOW WOULD THAT BENEFIT THE FAMILIES? HOW WOULD THAT BENEFIT THE FAMILIES IF IT GOES BACK? YEAH.
WELL, TECHNICALLY, UM, IF YOU'RE, THEY COULD BE A NON-CONFORMING USE.
THAT MEANS IF THEY, THEY DON'T GET TO EXPAND, THEY DON'T GET TO EXPAND THEIR EXISTING, USE THEIR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE OR, UM, IF IT BURN DOWN, THERE'S CERTAIN ARRAY YOU CAN BRING IT BACK.
SO BECAUSE THE USE MIGHT NOT MATCH THE PROPOSED DESIGNATION, IF IT GOES BACK TO RESIDENTIAL THAT CAN STAY WITH IT, THERE ISN'T THE DEVELOPMENT PRESSURE TO HAVE THEM, UM, CHANGE.
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AND THEN THE POTENTIAL FOR THE NON-CONFORMING USE IS GONE.AND I WOULD SAY, UM, THE WAY THAT MIXED USE IS SHOWN ON THEIR WHERE GOES, GOES ACROSS THE ALLEY TO THE ACTUAL STREET, IT CREATES SOME ISSUES WITH WHAT ARE YOU FRONTING ON RIGHT NOW? ARE WE GONNA HAVE SINGLE HOUSE SET FRONT ON A WALL? YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
BECAUSE THAT'S THE BACK OF A PROJECT THAT'S OFF OF LAVA BOULEVARD, OR IS IT GOING TO BE HOUSE IS FRONTING HOUSES, WHICH IS HOW IT IS RIGHT NOW.
AND SEEMS TO MAKE, MAKE SOME SENSE.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE IT THAT WAY SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE, SAY IF SOMEONE WAS ABLE TO CONSOLIDATE YOU OF THE PARCELS, BUT NOT ALL OF THEM, AND YOU'VE GOT THIS WEIRD CUTOUT, BUT IT'S PERMITTED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE PRESENT FOR MM-HMM
UM, AND WE KIND OF KNOW HOW THAT GOES ON SOME DECISIONS AND YOU KNOW, REALLY SAYING, NO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO OPEN UP ONTO ITSELF AND THEN MOHARA BOULEVARD, THE BUSINESSES ARE GONNA OPEN ONTO ITSELF.
WE'RE NOT GONNA SHUT ANYONE OUT.
EITHER WAY IT WOULD BE LIKE, MY HOUSE IS RIGHT HERE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM MY HOUSE.
ALL THOSE HOMES, THE PLOTS ARE LITERALLY MIXED USE, WHICH MEANS THEY COULD PUT IN, I DON'T KNOW, WITH SOME EXCEPTIONS THEY COULD BECAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A KARATE SUIT ACROSS THE STREET FROM HOUSE.
YOU KNOW, BUT THE, THE FACT IS THEY'RE ALL HOUSES.
THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL RESIDENTIAL, BUT IT, WHAT IT FRONTS SOME, WHAT IT OPENS UP TO IS MY HOUSE AND ALL MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSES.
SO IT, IT JUST, IT WAS LIKE A WEIRD KIND OF DESIGNATION THAT JUST DIDN'T REALLY MAKE SENSE.
BUT THE, ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ALLEY, IT MAKES SENSE.
RIGHT? THE ALLEY THEN IS YOUR CUTOFF, LIKE WHERE MEMOS AND ALL THOSE GUYS ARE.
THAT TOTALLY MAKES SENSE, ESPECIALLY IF WE GET TWO STORIES.
CAN WE DO TWO STORIES? DEPENDS ON THE CODE'S WRITTEN.
COME JOIN US, COME BACK TO SCHOOL, FORGET LUCK, COME BACK TO THAT.
AND LIKE I SAID, I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS A LOT BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU LIVE THERE.
I WALK AROUND AND I'M A LOOKY-LOO AND TOTALLY NOISY, NOSY ABOUT, AND NOISY NOSY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
ANY OTHER THOUGHTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD? OKAY.
ROGER DALE, THE MADISON DALE GROUP.
HE WILL TALK ABOUT, UH, IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES.
AND AS LISA MENTIONED, I'M WITH THE NA DALE GROUP.
WE DO ECONOMIC CONSULTING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH TWO MAJOR PARTS OF THE PROJECT.
EARLY ON WE DID A, A MARKET FEASIBILITY STUDY TO LOOK AT WHAT DEMAND THERE MIGHT BE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT, RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL IN THE AREA.
AND WE, AS PART OF THAT, WE ALSO DID OUTREACH TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS AND DENSITIES MIGHT MAKE INVESTMENT IN THIS AREA FEASIBLE FOR THEM.
AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY'S DRIVING THE VISION, BUT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE VISION THAT WE CREATE FOR THE AREA IS GONNA BE FEASIBLE AND END UP AND THINGS ACTUALLY CHANGING THE WAY YOU WANT THEM TO CHANGE.
SO A LOT OF TIMES IF A PLAN HAS GOT UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS IN IT AS FAR AS WHAT THE MARKET IS, THAT'S, THAT'S WHEN YOU SEE THINGS NOT REALLY CHANGE OVER TIME BECAUSE IT, IT HASN'T TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT WHAT'S REALLY GONNA INCENTIVIZE NEW INVESTMENT.
AND PART OF THE, THE RATIONALE FOR THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT LISA DESCRIBED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT DISTRICTS AND WHERE THE DENSITIES MIGHT GO UP OR CHANGE OR WHERE THEY MIGHT NOT CHANGE AT ALL OR EVEN GO DOWN, THAT WAS PARTLY A, A REFLECTION OF THE, THE FINDINGS WE HAD FROM OUR MARKET STUDY AS WELL AS THE INPUT WE GOT FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
SO THAT PART OF THE WORK IS DONE.
WHAT I'M MOSTLY GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT IS THE SECOND PART OF OUR WORK, AND IT'S NOT DONE YET, WE'RE REALLY JUST STARTING IT, IS LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTATION TOOLS, WAYS, JUST FROM AN ECONOMIC INCENTIVE STANDPOINT THAT THE PLAN CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN TERMS OF ATTRACTING PRIVATE INVESTMENT.
AND REALLY IF, AND I'LL KIND OF START WITH THAT.
UM, REALLY WE SEE THAT THIS TYPE OF A PLAN IS A, IS A TREMENDOUS TOOL FOR INCENTIVIZING AND ATTRACT, ATTRACTING PRIVATE INVESTMENT.
BUT OFTENTIMES THAT REQUIRES UPFRONT INVESTMENT FROM THE PUBLIC SECTOR TO, TO CREATE THE OPPORTUNITIES.
AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS ARE.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT, THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A PLAN THAT IS JUST A COST TO THE CITY.
THERE'S, THERE'S A, A PAYOFF FROM IT, BUT THERE, THERE'S SORT OF AN UPFRONT PART OF IT IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER INVESTMENTS THAT THE CITY CAN MAKE.
AND SO THE SECOND PART OF OUR IMPLEMENTATION TOOLKIT, IF YOU WILL, IS LOOKING AT WHAT OUR FUNDING SOURCES AND FINANCING STRATEGIES OR MECHANISMS FOR THE PART OF THIS THAT THE CITY WOULD BE POTENTIALLY INVESTING IN.
SO IN TERMS OF WAYS THAT, UH, A SPECIFIC PLAN CAN INCENTIVIZE
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PRIVATE INVESTMENT, THE, THE FIRST PART I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IS THE FACT THAT WE'VE DONE A MARKET ANALYSIS.WE'RE COMING UP WITH A VISION THAT'S IN SYNC WITH WHAT, UH, THE MARKET IS CALLING FOR.
AND THAT THAT HAS A, HAS A IMPACT, IMPACT ON HOW IMPLEMENTABLE AND HOW SUCCESSFUL THE PLAN WOULD BE IN ATTRACTING, UH, NEW DEVELOPMENT AND, AND THINGS THAT WOULD TRANSFORM THE WAY THE COMMUNITY LOOKS IN CONSISTENT WITH YOUR VISION.
UH, THAT WOULD INVOLVE NOT ONLY ZONING, BUT ALSO DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE THINGS LIKE PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND, UH, OTHER THINGS THAT AFFECT THE COST TO A DEVELOPER FOR DEVELOPING IN THE AREA.
AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE DRIVING THE VISION AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE COMING UP WITH WITH POLICIES ARE AT LEAST SUPPORTIVE OF THE IDEA OF FEASIBLE PROJECTS THAT, UH, FROM A INVESTMENT PERSPECTIVE, PART OF THE OTHER BENEFIT OF HAVING A SPECIFIC PLAN IS THAT IT CREATES A WAY TO STREAMLINE DEVELOPMENT, APPROVAL AND PROCESSING, INCLUDING, UH, CQA OR EIR STREAMLINING.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE DOING AS PART OF THIS PLAN THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO BE, UH, A POWERFUL TOOL FOR ATTRACTING INTEREST FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY.
UH, AS I MENTIONED, THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE INFRASTRUCTURE OR PLACEMAKING INVESTMENTS.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, LISA DESCRIBED THE PARK ONCE CONCEPT WHERE YOU HAVE LIKE CENTRALIZED PARKING IN DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, WHETHER IT'S LOTS OR ULTIMATELY STRUCTURES, PARKING STRUCTURES.
THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE POTENTIALLY AN, AN EXPENSE TO THE CITY OR TO SOMEONE.
AND, BUT BY CREATING THOSE THAT MIGHT ALLOW FOR SOME FLEXIBILITY ON THE PARKING STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, AND AGAIN, THAT CAN HAVE A HUGE IMPACT ON HOW FINANCIALLY, UM, ATTRACTIVE THE AREA IS FOR NEW INVESTMENT.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE ARE AREAS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED IN THE SENSE THAT THE, THE BUILDINGS MAY STAY THE SAME AND THE THE PLAN IN FACT ENCOURAGES THAT IN SOME AREAS.
AND SO WE, BUT WE AT THE SAME TIME WANT TO HAVE TOOLS TO ENCOURAGE REINVESTMENT IN EXISTING BUILDINGS SO THAT THEY ULTIMATELY KIND OF GET UP TO THE, THE LOOK AND STANDARD OF, OF NEWER DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA.
AND SO WE'LL BE INCLUDING TOOLS AND FUNDING SOURCES FOR THAT AS WELL.
WE ALSO LIKE TO SAY THAT THESE PLANS ARE A, IT IS A PLANNING EFFORT.
IT'S A LAND USE PLAN, BUT IT'S ALSO POTENTIALLY AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY FOR THE CITY TO HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN.
AND SO AS PART OF THAT WILL BE OUTLINING DIFFERENT CONCEPTS AS FAR AS A MARKETING AND BRANDING, UH, POSITION FOR THIS PART OF THE CITY AND HOW YOU CAN KIND OF MARKET THIS AS A, AS AN OPPORTUNITY FROM A BUSINESS PERSPECTIVE.
AND THAT COULD ALSO INCLUDE PROGRAMMING, LIKE SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, OTHER THINGS THAT WOULD ATTRACT PEOPLE TO THE AREA, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE, THE GATEWAY AREA THAT, UM, LISA DESCRIBED THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE A, A REGIONAL OR SUB-REGIONAL DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY TO, TO COME TO.
AND THAT CAN ALL BE PART OF A MARKETING MESSAGE.
AND THEN FINALLY, I'LL MENTION THAT THIS WOULD INCLUDE POTENTIALLY PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE IDEA OF PUBLIC PARKING STRUCTURES OR, OR SPACES THAT WOULD, UH, CREATE LESS NEED FOR PRIVATE INVESTMENT IN PARKING AND, AND THEREFORE MAKE, UH, DEVELOPMENT MORE ATTRACTIVE OR FEASIBLE.
SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THIS WOULD INVOLVE SOME LEVEL OF UPFRONT PUBLIC SECTOR INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY.
UH, BUT EVEN THAT WE, WE NEED TO LOOK FOR WAYS THAT THE CITY WOULD ACTUALLY FIND THAT FEASIBLE TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT.
AND ULTIMATELY WE'D LIKE TO THINK OF THIS AS, AS NOT JUST A COST, BUT A COST BENEFIT, UH, EQUATION WHERE YOU'RE MAKING UPFRONT INVESTMENTS BUT THEY COME BACK TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF NOT ONLY THE JUST ACHIEVING YOUR VISION FOR THE WAY THE AREA LOOKS, BUT ALSO, UH, PROPERTY TAX AND OTHER INVESTMENTS THAT INCREASE THE CITY'S REVENUE OVER TIME.
SO THE CATEGORIES, AND AGAIN, THIS WORK IS NOT DONE YET.
THIS WILL BE A ESSENTIALLY A CHAPTER OF THE SPECIFIC PLAN THAT WE'LL BE WORKING ON IN THE COMING WEEKS AND MONTHS.
BUT THE CATEGORIES OF FUNDING SOURCES WE'RE LOOKING AT WILL BE CITY RESOURCES INCLUDING, UH, GENERAL FUND AND CIP INVESTMENTS, UH, OUTSIDE GRANTS, FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL AGENCIES THAT PROVIDE GRANTS TO, UH, SPECIFIC TO AREAS OR CATEGORIES OF INVESTMENTS THAT WOULD BE RELEVANT TO THIS PLAN.
FOR EXAMPLE, UH, BICYCLE AND ACTIVE PEDESTRIAN INFRASTRUCTURE.
THERE ARE, THERE ARE SPECIFIC BUCKETS OF FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR THOSE, AND WE'LL BE KIND OF IDENTIFYING WHICH ONES MIGHT ESPECIALLY APPLY HERE.
LOOKING AT WAYS THAT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY CAN HELP TO FUND, UH, THE, THE VISION FOR THE AREA.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS THAT MIGHT INCLUDE OPEN SPACE.
SO CREATING A, A MIXED USE PROJECT THAT WOULD HAVE A CENTRAL COURTYARD OR PARK OR
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SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE KIND OF IN THE PUBLIC REALM.AND THAT CAN BE REQUIRED AS PART OF A, A DEVELOPMENT STANDARD.
BUT ALSO WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE SOMEHOW THERE HAS TO BE KIND OF A, A TRADE OFF THERE THAT TO MAKE THAT FEASIBLE FOR A PROJECT, MAYBE THERE HAS TO BE HIGHER DENSITY AND THE PARTS OF THE PROJECT THAT ARE DEVELOPED AROUND THAT PUBLIC SPACE.
AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT, UH, LOOKING AT, UH, DEVELOPMENT IMPACT FEES AND THE WAY THAT THOSE, THOSE CAN BE FINANCED.
UH, ONE IDEA THAT WE DISCUSSED WHEN WE MET EARLIER TODAY WITH CITY COUNCIL WAS, UH, STAFF HAS MENTIONED TO US THE CITY OF TUSTIN AS AN EXAMPLE, HAS A PARKING IN LIEU PROGRAM WHERE A, INSTEAD OF A PROJECT HAVING TO PROVIDE PARKING ON SITE, THEY CAN PAY INTO A, A, A FUND ESSENTIALLY WHERE THE CITY WILL ALLOW THAT PARKING TO DEVELOP SOMEWHERE OFFSITE AT A COST THAT'S MORE AFFORDABLE TO THE PROJECT, BUT AT THE SAME TIME ACHIEVES WHAT THE CITY REQUIRES IN TERMS OF HAVING ADEQUATE PARKING FOR THE DIFFERENT SUB AREAS OR DISTRICTS AT THE PLAN.
UH, LAST THING I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT ARE DISTRICT BASED TOOLS, AND THESE ARE WAYS THAT WHEN YOU ANTICIPATE THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO INCREASE YOUR PROPERTY TAX BASE OR THE OVERALL BUSINESS ACTIVITY IN AN AREA, THERE ARE WAYS TO TO ASSESS THAT REVENUE IN THE FUTURE AND HAVE IT BE A, A, A STREAM OF FUNDS THAT YOU CAN NOW FOR EXAMPLE, INVEST IN A A, A BOND TO PROVIDE UPFRONT INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL BE PAID BACK THROUGH THAT INCREASE IN TAX VALUE OVER TIME.
ONE OF THE, SOME OF THE TOOLS THERE ARE LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPE DISTRICTS, UH, PBIS OR PROPERTY BASED IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS, UH, COMMUNITY FACILITY DISTRICT, AND THEN A, A RELATIVELY NEW IDEA CALLED THE ENHANCED INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING DISTRICT OR EIFD.
THIS IS A, A TOOL THAT ALLOWS A CITY TO DESIGNATE AN AREA WHERE THE, THE FUTURE INCREMENT OF PROPERTY TAX WOULD BE A REVENUE STREAM THAT YOU CAN BOND AGAINST OR PROVIDE PROGRAMS WITH AND SO FORTH.
I, I, I WOULD KIND OF CAUTION, OH, THAT'S, THAT IS A PRETTY MAJOR UNDERTAKING TO GET AN EIFD.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT IT, NOT NECESSARILY GONNA RECOMMEND IT HERE, AND IT'S, THERE ARE CHALLENGES BOTH JUST AS COSTLY JUST TO INVESTIGATE THE FEASIBILITY OF IT, BUT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT IT, IT REQUIRES OTHER AGENCIES TO GIVE UP THEIR PRO PROPERTY TAX INCREMENT TOO, WHICH IS NOT ALWAYS A EASY THING TO DO.
IT KIND OF REPLACES WHAT USED TO HAPPEN WITH REDEVELOPMENT AGENCIES EXCEPT IT'S MORE OF A VOLUNTARY THING, WHICH IS OF COURSE HARDER TO GET YOUR PARTNER AG AGENCIES TO, TO, TO BUY INTO REALLY QUICK.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT WE GET SOME OF OUR LOCAL MONEY BACK FROM SAY, LIKE COUNTIES AND STUFF? IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING IT? THEORETICALLY IT COULD, BUT IT'S, IT'S VOLUNTARY.
SO WHAT IT BASICALLY IS, IF YOU SAY SOME BUILDS A NEW SHOPPING CENTER THAT'S GONNA INCREASE THE PROPERTY TAX REVENUE AND INSTEAD OF THAT GOING TO THE CITY'S GENERAL FUND AND ALL THE OTHER DISTRICTS AND AGENCIES THAT GET PROPERTY TAX SHARES, THAT INCREMENT GOES TO THAT EIFD AND THAT BECOMES A, A STREAM OF MONEY THAT CAN FUND, FOR EXAMPLE, PAYING, MAKING PAYMENTS ON A BOND THAT BUILT UP STREET IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS THAT.
SO YOU PRIMARILY WHAT YOU WOULD GET IS, IS YOU WOULD BE DEDICATING THE CITY'S INCREMENT OF THAT PROPERTY TAX FROM THE NEW DEVELOPMENT VALUE IDEALLY.
AND WHAT YOU WOULD'VE GOTTEN BACK IN THE DAYS OF REDEVELOPMENT AGENCIES, YOU WOULD'VE ALSO GOTTEN THE COUNTY SHARE OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ZERO AND OTHERS THAT NOW CAN VOLUNTARILY GIVE THAT TO YOU, BUT IN MOST CASES THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT REALLY IN THEIR INTEREST TO DO THAT.
SO, SO I'M SAYING IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT, IT IS NOT AS POWERFUL AS WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE, BUT IT IT, IN SOME PLACES THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR IT.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK INTO IT AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW YET IF IT'S REALLY GONNA MAKE SENSE HERE.
SO THAT IS KIND OF AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT OUR SECTION OF THE PLAN WILL LOOK LIKE, LIKE LOOK LIKE.
GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR OTHERWISE TURN IT BACK OVER TO LISA.
UM, ALRIGHT, YOU CAN PUSH THE BUTTON NEXT BUTTON FOR ME.
SO NEXT STEPS IS JUST TRULY THIS.
WE, AS I SAID EARLIER TONIGHT, WE ARE HERE REALLY JUST HERE IF YOU GUYS HAVE MAJOR, NOT EVEN MAJOR, BUT IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE'D RATHER KNOW ABOUT IT NOW, LIKE OPENING UP, UM, RNA
WE'D RATHER HEAR ABOUT THEM NOW, UH, RATHER THAN WAITING FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS AND GO, OH MAN, WE SHOULD HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT.
UM, SO IF YOU HAVE OTHER COMMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WE ARE HERE TO LISTEN.
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FROM THAT BASED ON YOUR INFORMATION, THE COUNCIL'S INFORMATION, WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND SOLIDIFY WORKING ON THE PREFERRED PLAN A LITTLE BIT MORE.
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THAT COME OUT.UM, AND THEN WORKING WITH CITY STAFF.
AND THEN AT THE SAME POINT THEN WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE WRITING THAT SPECIFIC PLAN.
SO THIS WAS JUST LIKE A LITTLE, KIND OF LIKE A PRAIRIE DOG, POP OUR HEAD UP, WHERE DO YOU GUYS THINK, WHERE ARE YOU GOING? AND THEN WE'LL GO BACK DOWN AND THEN FINISH, DO SOME OF THE WORK, AND THERE'LL BE A NUMBER OF MONTHS BEFORE YOU REALLY START HEARING US COME BACK OUT AGAIN.
IT'S TIME FOR US TO, TO, YOU KNOW, PUT ON OUR SEAT BELTS AND STAY IN OUR SEAT.
UM, BIRCH FORD USED TO BE THERE.
I REMEMBER BECAUSE THEY WERE REALLY, REALLY BAD NEIGHBORS AND THEY WOULD SPEED UP AND DOWN ERNA AVENUE WITH THEIR CARS, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR EMPLOYEES.
THERE ARE CHILDREN WHO HAVE DIED IN THE PAST 27 YEARS ON THAT STREET BECAUSE OF, AND THEY'VE BEEN HIT AND RUNS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO, AND IT'S, IT'S A SLEEPY RESIDENTIAL.
WELL, EXCEPT FOR ALL THE FIREWORKS, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS, THESE ARE SMALL STREETS.
THE ONES THAT ARE INTERSECTING THEM INTERSECTING ERNA SOMETIMES BECAUSE OF THE PARKING AND, YOU KNOW, THE STREETS ARE NARROW AND YOU CAN ONLY GO ONE STREET AT A TIME.
SO JUST, THAT WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE ONE OF THE BEST STREETS TO OPEN UP, UM, BECAUSE THEN IT JUST MAKES A POTENTIAL FOR SAFETY DISASTERS EVEN GREATER IN THAT AREA.
IF IT WAS, IF WE HAD THE, IF THE ROADS WERE WIDER, IF THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, STOP SIGNS EVERYWHERE, IT'D BE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S JUST NOT THE WAY IT IS.
RNA IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE WILL, YOU KNOW, AND YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE WHEN YOU CROSS THE, THE STREET BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO LOOK BEYOND THE, THE CARS.
IT'S NOT ME BEING LIKE, GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU KNOW,
BUT YOU WOULD BE OPEN TO PEDESTRIAN BIKES? OH, YEAH.
BECAUSE THIS, SO THE ONLY, LIKE THE WEALTHY ARE NOT THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO LIKE TO RIDE BIKES AND WALK, LIKE, YOU KNOW.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME PEOPLE, I DON'T EVEN OWN A CAR TECHNICALLY.
I, AND I MAY HAVE ACCESS TO CARS, BUT I DON'T OWN ONE.
I'M A, I WALK AROUND AS MUCH AS I CAN AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD WHO RIDE THEIR BIKES MM-HMM
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, WALK EVERYWHERE.
THEY GO TO THE LITTLE
SO THERE, THERE'S A WHOLE OTHER DEMOGRAPHIC OF PEOPLE WHO WALK.
YOU KNOW, WALK UP AND DOWN THE, THE SIDEWALKS AND, YOU KNOW, USE THEIR BICYCLES TO GET EVERYWHERE.
AND I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE THAT PEDESTRIAN ACCESS, THE ACCESS RIGHT THERE AND THE, THE BIKE ACCESS.
UM, WE'VE SEEN BIKES ON SIDEWALKS ALONG AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, PURELY THEY'RE THERE BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY 'CAUSE THEY FEEL SAFER.
UM, IF THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER COMMENTS, WE CAN CLOSE, WE, I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR INPUT, UM, AS WE MOVE THROUGH TO THE NEXT PHASE.
I DO HAPPEN TO HAVE A COMMENT.
SO, UM, THERE'S AN AREA IN LA WHERE WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS ABOUT GOING, AND YOU ALWAYS, WHEN YOU GET OFF YOUR CAR, YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS.
AND THIS AREA IS CALLED, UM, POWER GATEWAY.
WHICH IS REALLY SIMILAR TO THIS NAME.
SO JUST PUTTING IT OUT THERE AS A, I, I KNOW PEOPLE ARE NOT GONNA GET CONFUSED, BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD THINK OF A DIFFERENT NAME.
IT CAN BE A LITTLE HA GATEWAY OR GATEWAY BOULEVARD, BUT I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
THAT, BUT THAT'S NOT, THAT'S AN EASY CHANGE.
ANYTHING ELSE? I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE A LARGER MEETING.
I WILL SIT DOWN AND, UM, YOU MAY PROCEED WITH THE THIS SESSION.
THIS TIME I'LL ASK THE CLIENT COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF OR THE CONSULTANT.
UM, WE'LL NOW OPEN THE MEETING FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM.
IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO COMMENT ON THE LAHA BOULEVARD SPECIFIC PLAN UPDATE? UM, THERE'S NOBODY HERE, SO WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING THE STUDY SESSION? SINCE THIS IS A RECEIVE AND FILE ITEM, NO FURTHER ACTION IS REQUIRED AND WE WILL NOW ADJOURN THIS SPECIAL MEETING AND WE, AND CONVENE IN THE COUNCIL CHAMBER FOR OUR REGULARLY SCHEDULE.