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STAND AND JOIN COMMISSIONER RAMS LYNN IN[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2025 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.]
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE FOLLOW ALONG WITH ME.I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL ROLE CHAIR MACHA.
HERE, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT COMMISSIONER LOGAN CANNON HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE THIS EVENING.
WE WILL NOW MOVE ON TO PUBLIC COMMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR A PUBLIC COMMENT, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
THE JOURNAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR OR A CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A.
SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING, DO WE HAVE ANYONE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ON THE ITEMS, ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, OR ANY ITEM NOT APPEARING ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.
WE WILL NOW CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MOVE ON TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION.
UNLESS A COMMISSIONER CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUEST SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES ITEMS ONE THROUGH THREE.
ALL ITEMS WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS AN ITEM IS REMOVED.
FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO YOU WANT ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS WISH TO REMOVE AN ITEM? IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO REMOVE ANYTHING FROM? OKAY, HEARING NONE, MAY I PLEASE HAVE A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
SECOND, A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MANLEY AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MANLEY.
EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTE.
UH THREE WITH THREE ZERO WITH COMMISSIONER CARDENA ABSTAINING.
WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARING SCHEDULED FOR THIS EVENING.
THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THEN STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM.
THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
AFTER ALL HAVE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTIONS IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE LECTERN.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU'LL FIND THE SPEAKER CARDS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.
THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGE BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
OH, YOU ALREADY CHANGED THE TIME TO FIVE.
I WAS JUST GONNA NOTE THAT UH, TONIGHT'S FIRST PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS CONSIDER AND PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING AN ORDINANCE APPROVING ZONE CHANGE 25 0 0 0 3 TO ADD CHAPTER 18.65 TO TITLE 18 AND AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF TITLE 18 FOR CONSISTENCY WITH CHAPTER 18.65
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OF THE LAHABRA MUNICIPAL CODE.HAVE WE RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE FROM THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.
MADAM CHAIR, DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES, WE DO.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR AND GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
I AM THE ASSOCIATE PLANNER HERE AT THE CITY CURRENTLY.
CURRENTLY THE APPLICATION REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS FOR THE USES OTHER THAN SEASONAL COMMERCIAL SALES LOTS IS NOT CODIFIED.
BECAUSE OF THE LIMITED REGULATIONS CURRENTLY IN PLACE, STAFF HAS TYPICALLY INTERPRETED ANY EVENT THAT IS SUPPLEMENTARY TO THE MAIN BUSINESS, IS SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF A SPECIAL EVENT.
STAFF PROCESSES THESE SPECIAL EVENT REQUESTS BY REQUIRING APPLICANTS TO FILL OUT AND SUBMIT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
HOWEVER, THE REQUIREMENTS ARE NOT CODIFIED WITHIN THE LA HABER MUNICIPAL CODE, MAKING IT DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE BY THE CITY'S CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION.
THIS UPDATE AIMS TO MODIFY AND CODIFY THE EXISTING REQUIREMENTS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS, UH, TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE AND BUSINESS FRIENDLY WHILE SETTING STANDARDS AND CONDITIONS TO MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS TO RESIDENTS AND CITY SERVICES.
STAFF DETERMINED THAT ESTABLISHING A NEW CHAPTER TO CODIFY THESE REQUIREMENTS WOULD CREATE CLEAR AND EASY TO FOLLOW GUIDELINES FOR FUTURE STAFF AND APPLICANTS LOOKING TO HOST A SPECIAL EVENT TO FURTHER INFORM THE PROPOSED CONTENTS OF THE ZONE CHANGE, STAFF RESEARCHED THE SPECIAL EVENT REGULATIONS OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS, INCLUDING ANAHEIM BREA, BUENA PARK, FULLERTON GARDEN GROVE, AND WHITTIER.
STAFF FOUND THAT THESE JURISDICTIONS HAVE SIMILAR CODIFIED PROCESSES FOR REVIEWING SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS WHILE PRIORITIZING PUBLIC SAFETY AND ORDER.
STAFF FOUND THAT MANY OF THESE REGULATIONS ARE SIMILAR TO THE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED IN THE CITY OF LAHABRA SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT APPLICATION, INCLUDING HAVING AN INCREASED REVIEW TIMELINE FOR LARGER EVENTS LIMITING THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT A BUSINESS HOLDS EACH CALENDAR YEAR AND HAVING SPECIAL REGULATIONS FOR SEASONAL COMMERCIAL SALES LOTS.
BROADLY SPEAKING, A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WILL BE A PERMIT THAT REQUIRES EITHER AN ADMINISTRATIVE OR DISCRETIONARY APPROVAL FOR ANY ORGANIZED TEMPORARY ACTIVITY GATHERING OR SERIES OF ACTIVITIES TAKING PLACE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OR IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UH, TYPICALLY STAFF RECEIVES REQUESTS FOR A VARIETY OF SPECIAL EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT INCLUDE GRAND OPENINGS, CAR MEETS HOLIDAY PROMOTIONAL EVENTS, AND BACK TO SCHOOL AND TOY DRIVES.
STAFF IDENTIFIES TWO TYPES OF SPECIAL EVENTS, SMALL AND LARGE.
BOTH OF THESE EVENT TYPES ARE ISSUED AT THE DISCRETION OF A LOCAL JURISDICTION, ARE APPROVED UNDER A SET OF CONDITIONS AND REQUIRE AN APPROVAL AUTHORITY TO MAKE CERTAIN FINDINGS TO APPROVE THE PERMIT.
LARGE EVENTS ARE DEFINED AS SPECIAL EVENTS THAT INCLUDE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING.
IT COULD INCLUDE 250 MORE ANTICIPATED ATTENDEES HAS AN EVENT DURATION OF MORE THAN FIVE OR MORE DAYS.
IT INVOLVES THE TEMPORARY REMOVAL OF MORE THAN 25% OF THE AVAILABLE ONSITE PARKING.
IT INVOLVES THE CLOSURE OF ONE OR MORE PUBLIC STREET OR USES AN INFLATABLE STRUCTURE LARGER THAN 200 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR LARGE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS WILL BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND DECISIONS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
LARGE SPECIAL EVENTS SHALL BE SUBJECT OR SHALL BE SUBMITTED AT LEAST 90 CALENDAR DAYS PRIOR TO THE DESIRED EVENT DATE TO ALLOW FOR SUFFICIENT TIME FOR REVIEW NOTICE AND TO APPROVE THE PERMIT.
AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, THE LARGE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS ARE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AT A NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING, STAYING CONSISTENT WITH OTHER DISCRETIONARY PERMIT TYPES THAT ARE DECIDED ON AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION LEVEL.
THERE WILL BE A 10 DAY NOTICE TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 300 FEET OF THE PROPOSED EVENT AND THE NOTICE WILL BE PRINTED IN THE OC REGISTER.
SMALL SPECIAL EVENTS ARE DEFINED AS ANY EVENT THAT DOES NOT QUALIFY AS A LARGE SPECIAL EVENT.
THESE WILL TYPICALLY INCLUDE HAVING FEWER THAN 250 ANTICIPATED ATTENDEES.
A DURATION OF FOUR OR LESS DAYS USES LESS THAN 25% OF THE AVAILABLE ONSITE PARKING FOR THE EVENT AND IT INVOLVES NO CLOSURE OF PUBLIC STREETS.
THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY FOR SMALL SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS SHALL BE THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS.
DECISIONS OF THE DIRECTOR MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY MANAGER.
SMALL SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS SHALL BE SUBMITTED AT LEAST 45 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DESIRED EVENT DATE.
SMALL SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS WILL BE AVAIL OR WILL BE ABLE TO BE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY, DECISIONS OF THE DIRECTOR MAY BE APPEALED TO THE CITY MANAGER WITHIN 10 DAYS OF THE APPROVAL.
BOTH SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT TYPES WILL NEED TO MAKE THE SAME FINDINGS TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY WITH THE INTENT OF THE NEW CHAPTER.
THESE FINDINGS INCLUDE ENSURING THAT THE SITE IS PHYSICALLY SUITABLE FOR THE EVENT WITHOUT DETRIMENT TO THE USE OR ENJOYMENT OF THE PROPERTY OF OTHERS LOCATED WITHIN THE VICINITY OF THE SITE.
THE EVENT PROVIDES SUFFICIENT OFF STREET PARKING.
THE SITE IS ADEQUATELY SERVED BY STREETS OR HIGHWAYS.
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THE EVENT WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH ANY APPRO OTHER APPROVED EVENT OR CITY SERVICE.THE EVENT COMPLIES WITH APPLICABLE CODE REQUIREMENTS.
THE EVENT WOULD NOT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC PEACE, HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE AND THAT THE EVENT IS NOT SUBJECT TO ANY GROUNDS OF THE DENIAL.
AS IT CURRENTLY STANDS, ALL BUSINESSES ARE LIMITED TO FOUR SPECIAL EVENTS PER CALENDAR YEAR.
STAFF IS PROPOSING TO UPDATE THIS STANDARD TO ALLOW FOR A MAXIMUM OF 12 SPECIAL EVENTS PER CALENDAR YEAR WITH A MINIMUM OF 30 DAYS IN BETWEEN EACH EVENT.
HOWEVER, TO DISCOURAGE BUSINESSES FROM TREATING SPECIAL EVENTS WITH OUTDOOR SALES AS AN EXTENSION OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PRIMARY BUSINESS, ON A MORE PERMANENT BASIS, STAFF PROPOSES TO RESTRICT EVENTS WITHOUT OUTDOOR SALES TO A MAXIMUM OF FOUR EVENTS CONTAINING OUTDOOR SALES PER CA PER CALENDAR YEAR.
THIS RESTRICTION WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH OUR CURRENT ZONING CODE PROVISIONS THAT REQUIRE ALL BUSINESSES TO OPERATE ENTIRELY WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING TO PROVIDE FLEXIBILITY TO BUSINESSES THAT MIGHT WANT TO HOST MORE THAN 12 SPECIAL EVENTS.
THE ZONE CHANGE WILL PERMIT ADDITIONAL EVENTS SUBJECT TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
FEES FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT ARE CURRENTLY $32 FOR A SMALL SPECIAL EVENT AND $517 FOR A LARGE, UH, SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT APPLICATION MATERIALS FOR ALL SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT TYPES ARE THE SAME BUT CAN VARY DEPENDING ON THE SCALE AND TYPE OF EVENT.
IN ADDITION TO THE NEW CHAPTER, THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE INCLUDES UPDATES TO ZONING CODE SECTION 18.04030 TO UPDATE AND ADD DEFINITIONS SECTIONS 18.3 TO UPDATE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR TEMPORARY SIGNAGE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND TABLE 18 0 6 0 4 0 A.
THE LAND USE MATRIX TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE AND INTENT OF THE NEW CHAPTER.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE THIS ZONING CODE UPDATE.
STAFF ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
BUT THIS TIME I'LL ASK THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
SO JACOB, UNDER, UNDER THE CURRENT REGULATIONS AND GUIDELINES AND THE WAY WE DO STUFF RIGHT NOW, UM, ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY GOES TO THE STAFF OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO REVIEW EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY SUCH AS STREETS AND PARKS ARE APPROVED BY THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
IS THAT STILL THE CASE OR DOES THIS AMEND THAT THAT THAT THOSE TYPES OF EVENTS WOULD NOW COME TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL? THAT WOULD STILL BE THE CASE.
THIS CODE UPDATE IS UM, GONNA SPECIFICALLY BE FOR EVENTS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEN ANY EVENTS THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW ALRIGHT, BECAUSE SOME OF THE LANGUAGE IN HERE, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST SAYS ON PUBLIC STREETS AND IT REALLY DOES AS PART OF THE DEFINITION.
YOU COULD, YOU COULD READ IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.
THAT'S, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE A QUESTION? UH, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY? SURE.
THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL EVENT IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY DEFINES SPECIAL EVENT TO STATE THAT IT'S AN EVENT THAT OCCURS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND OR IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO IT MUST BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OR IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
I GOT ONE MORE QUESTION AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT.
SO THE, THE DEFINITION SAYS PRI PRIVATE PROPERTY OR IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, THAT WOULD IMPLY THAT AN EVENT THAT TAKES PLACE TOTALLY ON THE STREET WOULD ALSO HAVE TO COME TO THE COMMISSION UNDER THAT DEFINITION.
RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS THAT ARE ON ONLY THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
UM, WE DO HAVE LARGER FESTIVALS IN THE CITY THAT OCCUR ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
HOWEVER, THEY'RE ON OTHER PROPERTIES AS WELL THAT AREN'T PRIVATE OTHER CITY OWNED PROPERTIES SUCH AS PARKS.
WELL, THE, YEAH, BUT THAT'S OKAY.
SO, SO FOR EXAMPLE, SO THIS WOULD NOT AFFECT THE CITRUS FESTIVAL.
SO THAT'S, I'M JUST, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S CLEARLY UNDERSTOOD.
'CAUSE THE, UM, CITRUS FAIR TAKES PLACE A HUNDRED PERCENT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, CORRECT? THEY NOT, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO PRIVATE PROPERTY INVOLVED IN IT.
AND THE SAME THING WITH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE TAMALE FESTIVAL ALL TAKES PLACE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
THAT PROJECT, THOSE, THOSE EVENTS WOULD CONTINUE TO GO THROUGH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.
THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION.
AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, WE DO HAVE AN EXEMPTION, UM, WITHIN THE CODE JUST TO EXEMPT ANY ACTIVITIES OR EVENTS THAT ARE SPONSORED, HELD, OR CONDUCTED BY OR ON BEHALF OF OR IN COORDINATION WITH THE CITY.
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THANK YOU JACOB.CURRENTLY, THE, ARE YOU AWARE, ARE THERE BUSINESSES, PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE CITY? I MEAN, ARE WE PROCESSING, UM, MORE THAN 12 SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS FOR AN INDIVIDUAL, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS OWNER OR PROPERTY OWNER CURRENTLY JUST LOOKING AT LIKE THE, KIND OF THE ALLOWANCES, UM, AND JUST KINDA CURIOUS ON THE HISTORY AND THE BACKGROUND OF THAT.
UM, SO WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYONE COME IN FOR 12 EVENTS PER YEAR.
WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF APPLICANTS COME IN WHO WISH TO HOST MORE THAN FOUR PER YEAR, AND WE THOUGHT THAT GRANTING THEM THE FLEXIBILITY TO MAYBE HAVE AN EVENT ONCE A MONTH.
UM, AGAIN, NOT CONTAINING OUTDOOR SALES, UM, WOULD JUST BE MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY AND WOULD, UM, STILL BE CLASSIFIED AS A SPECIAL EVENT, UM, OPPOSED TO JUST A REGULAR LIKE OPERATING PROCEDURE.
WHAT, WHAT TYPES, LIKE WHAT CAN YOU GIMME AN EXAMPLE? UM, WE SEE A LOT OF CAR SHOWS.
AND JUST LIKE CAR MEETUPS, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT IT'S MOSTLY, I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AMOUNT ALLOWED, I, I JUST WANT A LITTLE, LITTLE CLARIFICATION ON THE FOUR SPECIAL EVENTS WITH OUTDOOR SALES PER CALENDAR.
SO THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT COUNT FROM THE 12, OR IS IT 12 AND THEN FOUR WITH OUTDOOR SALES PER CALENDAR CALENDAR, OR IS IT NO MORE THAN FOUR WITHIN THE 12 EVENTS PER CALENDAR YEAR? THE INTENT WOULD BE THAT THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF SPECIAL EVENTS YOU CAN HAVE IS 12 PER CALENDAR YEAR.
FOUR OF THOSE COULD BE, UM, WITH OUTDOOR SALES.
JACOB, COULD YOU SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME? YES.
SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF EVENTS, SPECIAL EVENTS THAT YOU COULD HAVE PER CALENDAR YEAR IS 12.
FOUR OF THOSE 12 EVENTS, UM, COULD CONTAIN OUTDOOR SALES AND THE LANGUAGE LIKE IT, IS IT PROPERTY LIKE SITE SPECIFIC OR IS IT, UH, APPLICANT SPECIFIC? I BELIEVE WE DO IT BASED OFF OF BUSINESSES.
SO, YOU KNOW, I I LIKE YOU BACK TO THE CAR SHOW AS AN EXAMPLE.
LIKE IF, IF I OPERATE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF CAR SHOWS IN LA HABRA, UM, LLC AND I REACH MY LIMIT, MY CAPACITY FOR A SPECIFIC SITE, I, I'VE, I'VE DONE 12 CAR SHOWS, YOU KNOW, AT OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE, NOW I JUST NEED TO FIND ANOTHER LOCATION AND I CAN KEEP DOING MORE.
THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, AS LONG AS IT'S, IF YOU'RE OPERATING OUT OF A DIFFERENT SITE, IT WOULD BE ASSUMED THAT THAT BUSINESS AT THAT SITE WOULD BE THE ONE HOSTING IT.
UM, AND SO THEN THEY WOULD BE USING THEIR 12 EVENTS TO HOST YOUR CAR SHOW AND, AND TYPICALLY WHAT THE CITY IS SEEING CURRENTLY IS IT'S, IT'S MORE OF LIKE THAT CONCENTRATED USE IS SPECIFICALLY ON SITES, NOT LIKE APPLICANTS COMING IN TRYING TO DO STUFF ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE KIND OF SEEING FOR THOSE? THAT'S CORRECT.
WE SEEM TO HAVE THE SAME APPLICANTS COME IN TO HOST MULTIPLE EVENTS ON THEIR SAME SITE.
AND WE WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE, LIKE FROM A STAFF LEVEL, WE WOULDN'T ANTICIPATE AS THESE RESTRICTIONS OR THE LANGUAGE BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR THAT THERE'S SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THE LANGUAGE FOR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE PEOPLE TO, TO BE CREATIVE AND FIND A LOOPHOLE AROUND THESE LIMITATIONS.
THAT'S NOT A CONCERN THAT WE HAVE AT THIS TIME THAT THAT'S A POSSIBILITY WITH ANY LAW FINDING.
UM, BUT MAYBE AS PIGGYBACKING ON YOURS, SO YOU KNOW, THE, A LOT OF, UM, NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS HAVE EVENTS IN, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE BUSINESS SO THAT NOTHING PREVENTS THEM FROM STILL BEING ABLE TO DO THAT OR DOES IT HAVE TO BE RELATED TO THE BUSINESS ACTIVITY OR IS THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, LIKE, UM, THE WOMEN'S CLUB WANTS TO HAVE A GARAGE SALE AT SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS AND THEY PUT EVERYTHING OUT AND GET A SPECIAL EVENT PLAN AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THE PROPERTY OWNER IS THE ONE WHO'S APPLYING FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S ON THE PROPERTY OWNER'S PROPERTY, THEY MAY BE APPLYING ON BEHALF OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.
BUT THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO GIVE THEM THAT OKAY.
PERMISSION BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY GOT ALL THE LIABILITY.
SO BECAUSE, AND THAT PROPERTY, THE, THE, UM, PERMITS ARE TIED TO THE PROPERTY AND NOT NECESSARILY THE ORGANIZATION RIGHT.
CURRENT CURRENTLY THERE'S NO LIKE LIMITS LIKE THIS IN PLACE WHATSOEVER.
CURRENTLY IT'S LIMITED TO, TO FOUR PER YEAR.
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IT THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CODE IS OUTDOOR SALES, WHICH HAS MADE IT VERY DIFFICULT TO DO CODE ENFORCEMENT ON THESE ENFORCEMENT.NONSALES TYPE EVENTS BECAUSE ALL THE CURRENT REGULATIONS ARE IN MAY IMPACT IN PUBLIC ARE IN THE BUSINESS LICENSE SECTION.
THEY'RE NOT IN THE ZONING SECTION.
SO DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT CRITERIA AND THOUGHT WENT INTO THAT AT THE TIME.
UH, JACK, COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT SAYS WHAT, WHAT SE WHAT ARE SEP FINDINGS? PLEASE? LET'S, I THINK YOU WANT ONE TOO FAR, ISN'T IT DEFINED? THERE YOU GO.
SO PRESUMABLY ANY APPLICATION THAT COMES TO THE COMMISSION, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE FINDINGS THE COMMISSION HAS TO MAKE.
SO STAFF WILL DO THE STAFF REPORT AND ALL OF THAT, THE NORMAL PROCESS.
BUT, UM, ONE THAT KIND OF POPPED OUT AT ME IS PROVIDE SUFFICIENT PARKING.
DO WE HAVE A STANDARD FOR HOW MUCH PARKING? IS IT EVENT BASED? IS IT, SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A CAR SHOW, PRESUMABLY THEY'VE USED UP ALL THE PARKING SPACES TO HAVE THE CARS THAT ARE ON DISPLAY.
DO THEY, ARE THEY REQUIRED TO HAVE MAKE AN AGREEMENT OFFSITE WITH SOMEBODY ELSE TO HAVE PARKING OR, YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT KIND OF WORK? YES, THEY WOULD NEED TO SHOW THAT.
AND SOME OF IT MAY BE BASED ON HISTORICAL, UM, EVIDENCE.
SO IF THEY'RE DOING IT FOR THE SECOND TIME, THEY'RE HAVING A CAR SHOW AND THE FIRST TIME THEY DID A CAR SHOW, IT OVERFLOWED ONTO MANY ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAD THOSE PROPERTIES PERMISSION.
THEN THE NEXT TIME THEY COME IN WE WOULD SAY, WELL, LAST TIME YOU HAD A CAR SHOW, YOU NEED THIS MANY PARKING SPACES.
SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT SUBJECTIVE, BUT IT, IT IS SHOWING US THAT FOR THAT TYPE OF EVENT, THERE'S ENOUGH PARKING SPACES FOR, FOR THE BUSINESS ITSELF AND THEIR SPECIAL EVENT AND IT'S NOT IMPACTING THE PARKING OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES.
AND WE MAY, MAY MIGHT BE IN THERE AND I MISSED IT, BUT, UM, CURRENTLY UNDER THE GUIDELINES WE USE, IF IT'S IN A, IF IT'S IN A STRIP MALL OR SOMETHING AND IT'S ONE OF THE BUS, ONE OF THE TENANTS IN THAT MALL, THEY GOTTA GET THE PERMISSION OF EVERYBODY THAT SHARES WITH THAT.
IS THAT STILL PART OF THE DEAL? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WRITTEN AS A REQUIREMENT.
WELL, I SAID IT'S, IT'S KIND OF BEEN A GUIDELINE WE'VE USED FOR YOUR, IT'S NOT WRITTEN DOWN ANYWHERE IN THE CODE.
ANYTHING THAT'S NOT WRITTEN DOWN WE PROBABLY DIDN'T LOOK AT.
UM, BUT AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO ALLOW THE EVENT.
SO IF IT'S A STRIP CENTER, THERE'S ONLY ONE PROPERTY OWNER IN MANY TENANTS, SO IT'S NOT THE TENANTS, IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO ALLOW THE EVENT.
SOMETIMES IT'S MULTIPLE OWNERS, IT'S NOT ALWAYS ONE OWNER THAT OWNS THE WHOLE STRIP MALT IN EVERY CASE FOR THE LOCATION, THERE'S ONLY ONE OWNER OF A SINGLE LOCATION THAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR.
I MEAN, WE CAN GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THIS.
I JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, I'M JUST CURIOUS YEAH.
ALRIGHT, GOT, I GOT, I GOT ONE MORE THOUGHT.
UM, AND, AND I DON'T, WE MIGHT BE GETTING INTO SOME WEEDS HERE, BUT RECENTLY THERE WAS, THERE WAS A CAR SHOW, UH, IN THE CITY AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IF THIS IS NECESSARILY WHERE, WHERE YOU KNOW, THESE WHERE CAN AND CANNOTS WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, STATED, BUT, UM, IT WAS A SINGULAR, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A, NOT A STRIP MALL, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A, A BUSINESS THAT KIND OF OWNED, YOU KNOW, THE, THEIR WHOLE LITTLE CORNER, THE PARKING'S ALL THEIRS, BUT THEY BLOCKED OFF, UM, LIKE CERTAIN, UH, DRIVEWAYS COMING OFF PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, MAIN STREETS GOING IN AND OUT OF THEIR PARKING LOT.
JUST THE DECISION THAT THEY MADE, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT VEHICLES THERE AND COULDN'T, COULDN'T GET IN, COULDN'T GET OUT, OUT.
AND IT, IF YOU WEREN'T REALLY ATTENTIVE, YOU, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE NOTICED MAYBE THAT THERE WAS A CAR SHOW GOING ON.
YOU MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT IT'S JUST, I CAN, IT'S A NORMAL DAY.
I CAN JUST GO TO THIS BUSINESS AND AND SHOP FOR, FOR WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, ARE THESE TYPES OF THINGS, I MEAN I I THINK ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WAS A SITE PLAN.
UM, AND, AND THIS IS I GUESS WHERE, WHERE CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES IN WHEN WE SEE THINGS LIKE THAT HAPPEN.
BUT IS THAT, MAYBE THIS IS A RELATED QUESTION THAT DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, INFLUENCE ANYTHING THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT IN A WAY.
BUT, UM, IS, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT, UM, THERE'D BE CASES WHERE WE CAN JUST BLOCK OFF, YOU KNOW, EGRESS AND, AND SO TYPICALLY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE WILL HAVE A SITE PLAN THAT'S SUBMITTED AND RE REVIEW REVIEWED.
UM, BUT ON TOP OF THAT, THERE'S USUALLY A CONDITION THAT'S PUT ONTO THESE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT STATES THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BLOCK THE RIGHT OF WAY OR, UM, RESTRICT ANY ACCESS THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE DETRIMENTAL TO, YOU KNOW, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I ACTUALLY DO HAVE A QUESTION THAT I, THAT I'VE FORGOTTEN.
I WAS, UH, GOING BACK TO THE PROPOSED COSTS FOR THE SMALL SEP IN THE LARGE SEP, HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS? BECAUSE
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32 AND 517, YOU KNOW, SO HOW DID WE COME UP WITH THE NUMBER, UM, FOR THOSE FEES? I'LL TAKE THAT ONE.THAT IS THE FEE THAT IS CURRENTLY APPROVED IN OUR MASTER SCHEDULE OF FEES.
THE CITY JUST ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH AN OUTSIDE CONSULTING FIRM TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL OF OUR PERMITTING FEES.
AND THIS WILL ACTUALLY GIVE US A REALLY GREAT EXAMPLE OF PROCESSING MULTIPLE SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS SO WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT IS THE TRUE COST OF ISSUING THAT PERMIT.
BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT COVERS THE COST OF THE STAFF TIME WITHIN IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT SUBSIDIZING THESE PERMITS UNLESS THE COUNCIL CHOOSES TO SUBSIDIZE THEM.
AND I GUESS ON, ON THAT NOTE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LARGE SAP AND A AND A SMALL SAP, ONE OF THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES OBVIOUSLY IS, IS THE SIZE, RIGHT? SO IT'S LIKE OVER TWO 50 OR UNDER TWO 50, AND THEN THE DURATION, SO FIVE DAYS OR MORE, FOUR DAYS OR, OR LESS.
WELL, A WEEKEND EVENT OR A ONE DAY ON THE WEEKEND EVENT, A SATURDAY CAR SHOW OR, OR A SATURDAY SUNDAY EVENT.
UM, THOSE ARE ALWAYS GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN FOUR, FOUR DAYS AS WELL.
HOW DO WE DETERMINE, UM, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE REALITY OF WHAT ARE THE ANTICIPATED ATTENDEES? I MEAN, IF I'M GONNA RUN A A, A CAR SHOW, I'M JUST CERTAINLY GONNA SAY IT'S A SMALL EVENT.
I'M NOT GONNA HAVE MORE THAN 250 PEOPLE THERE.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER PAY $42 THAN 500 AND WHATEVER IT IS.
UM, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME.
I MEAN, I'M GONNA BE THERE FOR TWO DAYS.
I'M, IT'S GONNA BE 25% OF PARKING, WHATEVER IT IS.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE STANDARD FOR WHAT WE EXPECT THE REALITY OF THEIR ANTICIPATED ATTENDEES TO ACTUALLY BE? THAT'S A REALLY GREAT QUE QUESTION COMM MR. MANLEY.
AND AS CODE ENFORCEMENT FALLS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS PLANNING, CODE ENFORCEMENT WOULD GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE EVENT.
AND IF IT'S EXCEEDING WHAT WAS ANTICIPATED, WE WOULD NOTE THAT WE WOULD TRY AND WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO MITIGATE ANY IMPACTS TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
WE'RE NOT GONNA GO IN AND SHUT IT DOWN, BUT THEN WE'RE GONNA, YOU KNOW, THAT IS GOING TO BE IN THEIR HISTORY.
AND WE'VE GOT A PART OF OUR CODE THAT SAYS THAT IF YOU DIDN'T OPERATE IN ACCORDANCE TO YOUR PREVIOUS PERMIT, YOU HAVE A THREE MONTH, THERE'S SOME AMOUNT OF TIME BETWEEN WHEN YOU CAN APPLY FOR ANOTHER ONE, I BELIEVE.
IS THERE SOME COMMON SENSE KIND OF YEAH.
IT'S GROUNDS FOR DENIAL OF A FUTURE ONE.
AND, AND SOME JUST, I MEAN, DISCRETION, LIKE DOES STAFF HAVE THE LEEWAY TO, TO LOOK AT THIS APPLICATION AND SAY THERE'S JUST NO WAY THAT THIS IS REALLY GONNA BE UNDER 250 IN, IN OUR ESTIMATION AND, AND KIND OF MAKE THAT CLAIM AT THE APPLICATION PHASE? OR IS STAFF REALLY KIND OF REQUIRED TO TAKE THE APPLICANT'S WORD FOR IT? I THINK THEN WE'D BE LOOKING AT THE FIRST BULLET POINT HERE AND WHETHER THE SITE IS PHYSICALLY SUITABLE FOR THE EVENT.
AND IF STAFF DETERMINES THAT IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY SUITABLE FOR THE EVENT, THEN IT WOULD BE A REASON TO DENY THE PERMIT, WHICH FUNNELING THEM TO LIKE A, A LARGE SEP WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE AT THAT POINT.
POTENTIALLY NOT UNLESS THEY'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THE EVENT WITH WHATEVER NEW SITE PLANNER INFORMATION THAT THEY PROVIDE THE CITY.
CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION REGARDING THAT? HOW WOULD THE CITY FOLLOW UP ON SITUATIONS UN DENIAL BECAUSE OF A PREVIOUS EVENT THAT THEY HAD? WAS IT, YOU ME, YOU MENTIONED CODE ENFORCEMENT GOING OUT, IS IT ALSO NEIGHBORS CALLING, HAVING ISSUES WITH PARKING? ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT YOU TRACKED IN ORDER TO DENY FUTURE? YES, BUT YOU BRING UP A REALLY GOOD POINT.
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT WHEN THE PUBLIC SEES AN EVENT LIKE THIS THAT IS IMPACTING THEM NEGATIVELY, THAT THEY DO EITHER CALL THE POLICE NON-EMERGENCY NUMBER OR CONTACT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION THAT ON THE WHOLE, WE DON'T GO AROUND, UM, PATROLLING FOR THIS TYPE OF THING.
AND SO IT'S REALLY HELPFUL WHEN THE COMMUNITY HELPS US KNOW WHERE THESE THINGS ARE HAPPENING.
I GUESS AS A FOLLOW UP TO THAT, I GUESS WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GOING INTO THE FREE RIDER ARGUMENT HERE.
SO IT WOULDN'T JUST BE THE CITY SUBSIDIZING SOME OF THESE PERMITS.
IT WOULD BE SOME OF THE LARGER EVENT PEOPLE SUBSIDIZING SOME OF THE SMALLER EVENT PEOPLE.
BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE EVENTS WHERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE DIFFERENCE IS 32 TO 517, RIGHT? AND, AND YOU ALSO HAVE CASES BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, CODE ENFORCEMENT ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE YOU'RE OUT PATROLLING, YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE REPORTED.
SO IN THE EVENT FOR INSTANCE, THAT, THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE OR ACTORS WHO ARE HAVING THESE EVENTS THAT WOULD BE DEFINED AS SPECIAL
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EVENTS BUT AREN'T GETTING PERMITS, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THAT? IS THAT EVEN A, I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN FOR ME, ESPECIALLY AS SOMEBODY WHO WORKS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE THE GOOD ACTORS, WHO WOULD BE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO REQUIRED TO PAY THE PERMIT FEE.RIGHT? SO I GUESS I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SO MUCH A QUESTION AS ME VOICING THE CONCERN.
WELL, I THINK WE'RE GETTING INTO WHERE WE'RE HAVING COMMENTS.
WE SHOULD, SHOULD MAYBE FINISH, WE SHOULD DO THAT.
CLOSE THE HEARING AND THEN GOT IT.
I THINK WE GOTTA OPEN THE HEARING FIRST.
SO THEN LET ME PUT MY GLASSES BACK ON.
WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL HEAR FIRST FROM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED ZONE CHANGE OR ITEM ONE.
MY NAME'S BETINA VOSS, I AM MANAGER, MANAGER AT MAGNOLIA.
SORRY, CAN YOU SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? I'M SORRY.
LAST NAME V AS IN VICTOR, OS AS IN SAM.
SO I'M MANAGER AT MAGNOLIA VINTAGE AND WE DO APPLY FOR, UM, SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS.
RECENTLY WE HAVE OCCASION TO HAVE, UM, CAR SHOWS AND WE WERE HOPING TO GET AN, THE, UM, PERMITS, UM, THE ALLOTMENT, UM, ADDED TO THE ALLOTMENT BECAUSE, UM, WE ALSO HAVE TWO SELLING EVENTS A YEAR.
WE HAVE TWO BOUTIQUES WHERE WE DO SELL AT THE CAR EVENTS WE DON'T SELL AT, BUT IT INCREASES OUR SALES BECAUSE WE ARE A VINTAGE MALL.
SO OUR VENDORS THAT ARE SELLING IN THERE, THEY, UM, SELL MORE ON THOSE DAYS BECAUSE WE HAVE LOTS MORE PEOPLE AND THAT INCREASES THE REVENUE AND WHICH INCREASES THE CITY TAXES.
AND SO OUR SELLING ACTIVITIES WOULD PLAY INTO THOSE, UM, 12 ALLOTTED PER YEAR.
WE WOULDN'T HAVE THEM WHEN IT'S COLDER WEATHER OUTSIDE OR HOLIDAY MONTHS BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BE BUSY SO THEY WON'T BE ATTENDED AS WELL.
BUT WE ARE, UM, HOPING TO HAVE THE AMOUNT ALLOWED.
AND WE HAVE, WHEN I HAVE, UM, SUBMITTED THE PERMITS, WE HAVE THE SITE PLAN, WE HAVE ALL OF THE, UM, PERMISSIONS FROM THE DANCE STUDIO, WHICH IS NEXT DOOR.
UM, THEY ALLOW US, SO I GO THROUGH IT WITH HER.
THE DATES THAT WE WOULD HAVE EVENTS, IT'S BEEN ON THE LAST SUNDAY OF THE MONTH FOR THE LAST THREE MONTHS.
UM, AND OURS IS IN THE BACK, SO IT'S NOT IN THE CARS THEMSELVES DON'T IMPACT THE PARKING OUT FRONT.
OUR EVENT IS IN A BACK LOT, NOT EVEN A PARKING LOT, BUT REALLY JUST A BACKYARD THAT HAS ASPHALT ON IT,
SO IT, IT DOESN'T, UM, INCUR ANY MORE PARKING.
AND UM, WE DO ABIDE BY THE RULES.
WE GET THE LOVELY EMAIL THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T INFRINGE ON ANYBODY'S WALKWAY AND WE DON'T, AGAIN, OUR EVENTS, THE CAR SHOWS ARE IN THE BACK AND EVEN OUR SELLING EVENTS ARE IN THE BACK.
UM, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING OUT FRONT AND UM, OUR PARKING LOT IS SUCH THAT IT'S ARTHUR'S AND IT'S THE DANCE STUDIO AND IT'S HARBOR FREIGHTS.
SO WE CAN'T REALLY, AND WE DON'T, THIS IS MY PARKING LOT AND YOU CAN'T PARK HERE.
DANCE PARENTS PARK IN OUR, IN FRONT OF OUR STORE ALL THE TIME.
AND THERE'S NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL.
WE HOPE THAT THEY WILL COME IN AND SHOP WITH US
SO THAT IS JUST, UM, I MIGHT BE OUT OF TIME BY NOW, BUT UM, I JUST WOULD APPRECIATE THE CONSIDERATION TO HAVE SOME MORE EVENTS THAT BENEFIT, UM, OUR SALES, OUR BUSINESS.
WOULD ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO COME AND SPEAK IN, IN FAVOR? OKAY, NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED ITEM.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN HEKA AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I CAN'T REALLY SAY THAT I'M AGAINST OR FOR, I WOULD JUST REALLY LIKE A LOT MORE CLARIFICATION.
AS YOU KNOW, MY NAME IS MARIE LAGA.
DO YOU WANT ME TO SPELL MY LAST NAME? LAV AS IN VICTOR, EAGA.
I AM THE PRESIDENT, CEO OF THE LAHABRA CHAMBERS.
WE, AND MY FIRST PRIMARY QUESTION WOULD BE, IS MY FOUR TO 12 ON THE BUSINESS OR IS IT ON THE CHAMBER?
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SO THAT WOULD BE A POINT OF CLARIFICATION THAT I WOULD NEED.WE DO GRAND OPENINGS, THEY'RE INSIDE AND OUTSIDE BASED UPON THE SIZE OF THE BUSINESS.
UH, AND WE ARE TRYING TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE.
SO WE PREFER TO BE INDOOR AND OUTDOOR AND GET A LITTLE VISIBILITY FOR THE BUSINESS OWNERS.
WE DO THE LUNCH MOB, SAME THING.
WE GET A LARGE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE, BUT PRIMARILY INDOORS.
SO WE HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS GOING ON TO PROMOTE OUR BUSINESSES AND, UM, SHOPPING IN LA HABRA AND DOING THE VARIOUS ACTIVITIES THAT WE DO IN ADDITION TO THE CITRUS FAIR AND THINGS THAT ARE BENEFITING THE CHAMBER FINANCIALLY.
UM, SO THAT IS MY, MY POINT IS MORE CLARIFICATION THAN IT IS FOR OR AGAINST AT THIS POINT.
I JUST WOULD REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THEN, UM, I WASN'T IN READING THE MATERIAL, I DIDN'T SEE WHERE IT SAID IT ONLY PERTAINS TO PRIVATE PROPERTIES.
SO MY QUESTION IS, HOW ARE YOU REGULATING WHAT GOES ON ON PRIVATE PROPERTIES AND DOES THAT MONEY GO TOWARD THE OWNERS OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OR HOW IS THIS WORKING? I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING, I JUST NEED MORE CLARIFICATION ON A LOT OF ASPECTS OF CLARIFY THE QUESTION I DON'T UNDERSTAND.
UM, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR CLARIFICATION ON THE QUESTION.
SO THE, THE FIRST QUESTION IS TO CLARIFY WHETHER THE PERMIT APPLICATION, WHETHER IT APPLIES, WHETHER IT ATTACHES TO THE ACTUAL BUSINESS OR WOULD THE CHAMBER HAVE TO APPLY? YES.
UM, AND I'M GONNA, THAT'S, I'M JUST CLARIFYING THE QUESTION AND I'M NOT GONNA ANSWER IT RIGHT.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION IS, LET ME MAKE SURE THAT I UNDERSTAND IT AND THAT I DO IT JUSTICE.
IT'S THAT, IS IT A REGULATION QUESTION? LIKE HOW WE'RE REGULATING WHETHER IT HAPPENS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND WHERE THAT MONEY GOES? YES.
OR IT, AND IT SOUNDED LIKE THERE MIGHT BE A SECOND QUESTION IN THERE AS WELL IS WHETHER IT APPLIED, APPLIED ONLY TO PRIVATE PROPERTIES? YES.
SO, UH, BECAUSE OFTENTIMES I WILL WANT TO DO A PROJECT OR A EVENT AND THE QUESTION IS WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY? WHAT, WHAT STEPS DO I NEED TO TAKE IN ORDER TO GET, SO THAT, THAT IS ALWAYS A CLARIFICATION ASPECT OF WHAT WE DO AND HOW WE DO IT.
EVEN WITH REGARD TO THE CITRUS FAIR, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, WELL WHO OWNS, LET'S SAY FOR EXAMPLE, CORONA DANCE STUDIO OR, AND THAT'S WHERE WE PUT OUR STAGE.
I'M NEVER QUITE SURE WHO OWNS WHAT AND WHAT PROCEDURE NEEDS TO BE DONE.
AND SO THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION.
AND THEN LET'S SAY I'M DOING A LARGE EVENT AT, UM, GROCERY OUTLET WITH THE CAR SHOW THAT $500 PERMIT, DOES THAT GO TO THE BUSINESS OWNER OR IS THAT, HOW IS, WHAT IS THAT FIVE, WHATEVER IT WAS, FEE BEING UTILIZED.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY QUESTIONS.
I JUST NEED MORE CLARIFICATION AND THEN I CAN TELL YOU IF I'M FOR OR AGAINST, 'CAUSE I DON'T REALLY KNOW RIGHT NOW AND, AND I HAVE A POINT OF ORDER WHO WANTS TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION AND WHO SHOULD ANSWER IT? WE DON'T NEED TO ANSWER IT DO NOW OR SHOULD WE WAIT UNTIL WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC? YEAH, WE DON'T NEED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
JUST, YEAH, I, I I WANNA TAKE THE REST OF THE QUESTIONS.
I WROTE DOWN YOUR QUESTIONS AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE DISCUSS THEM.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DO IT IN THE RIGHT ORDER.
SO I'M NOT IGNORING THE QUESTIONS WE'RE GONNA GET THE NO, I UNDERSTAND.
AND I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GO ABOUT TRYING TO GET MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT, WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED TONIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
ANYONE ELSE WANT TO SPEAK COMING UP PLEASE? I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE PARTICIPATE.
I'M A OWNER OF A HUNDRED PERCENT CHIROPRACTIC.
CAN YOU PLEASE SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? SURE.
IT'S C-H-I-R-A-G, LAST NAME PATEL, P-A-T-E-L.
UH, OWNER OF A HUNDRED PERCENT CHIROPRACTIC AND ALSO A BOARD MEMBER WITH LA HABRA CHAMBER.
UH, A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS, AND AGAIN, WHETHER I'M IS FOR OR AGAINST, I DON'T KNOW, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME HERE, SO I'M LEARNING THE TRADE.
UH, ONE OF MY QUESTION IS HOW LONG WILL IT TAKE FOR CD TO GET, GET THE PERMIT APPROVED OR DENIED? UM, I KNOW FOR A BIG EVENT, UM, I BELIEVE THERE WERE THREE MONTHS AHEAD, BUT FOR SMALL EVENTS YOU'RE ASKING FOR 45 DAYS.
UM, SOMETIMES THESE EVENTS ARE PRETTY SHORT PERIOD.
UM, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, A LOT OF TIMES I DO HOST AN EVENT IN COLLABORATION WITH, UH,
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ANOTHER BUSINESS AND, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY GUESTS I'M A, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, RECEIVING OR, UM, WHETHER I'M GONNA HAVE MANY OR NOT.BUT I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S A SMALL GUEST COUNT.
BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THAT, AND UH, DO I NEED TO UH, UH, SEND A PERMIT OR REQUEST A PERMIT FOR CERTAIN EVENTS THAT I HOST? UH, A LOT OF MY EVENTS ARE INDOOR AND SOMETIME LIKE HOSTING A BLOOD DRIVE, UH, IT'S ON THE PRO IS OUTSIDE THE PROPERTY.
UM, HOW DOES ALL THAT WORK? I I, YOU KNOW, I WANNA ANOTHER POINT OF ORDER HERE BECAUSE I THINK THESE QUESTIONS ARE VERY GOOD QUESTIONS AND I, AND WHILE I KNOW IT ISN'T WITHIN OUR PURVIEW OR WE WE'RE REALLY NOT SUPPOSED TO GO BACK AND FORTH, BUT I THINK THAT THESE WOULD BE GREAT QUESTIONS TO CLARIFY JUST, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE MAKE MAKE SENSE.
FOR INSTANCE, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING, MAYBE WE COULD APPLY IT AND THEN SEE, MAKE THAT KIND OF LIKE THE CASE STUDY, RIGHT? IF HE WAS GOING TO HAVE A BLOOD DRIVE AT HIS ANYHOW.
SO WOULD WE HAVE TO CLOSE THIS, GO BACK TO QUESTIONS TO STAFF? HOW, HOW WOULD WE PROCEED? YOU CAN LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN IF YOU WANT.
YOU CAN LEAVE PUBLIC COMMENT OPEN AND ASK STAFF TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED.
AND IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU WANNA ALLOW PEOPLE TO VOICE THEIR POSITIONS FURTHER BEYOND THAT.
WELL, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I'D LIKE TO HONOR THEIR QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THEM ARE PRETTY GOOD QUESTIONS.
UM, SO I'D I'D, I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO OPEN IT THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UNLESS YOU HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.
I'M SORRY THAT I LEFT YOU STANDING THERE.
A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS ALREADY BEEN ASKED, SO THANK YOU.
GOOD EVENING, MICHELLE BARNIER.
UM, MY QUESTIONS ARE JUST THE SAME.
I'M NOT AT FOR OR AGAINST EITHER.
UM, BUT IN THE PAST, UM, WE DID THE LA HABRA ART WALK, WE DID IT OVER AT THE UM, CORNER BAKERY IN BETWEEN CORNER BAKERY AND CHIPOTLE.
AND SOMETIMES WE HAD 20 PEOPLE SHOW UP AND SOMETIMES WE HAD LIKE 75.
SO IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, UM, VAGUE I GUESS YOU CAN SAY.
AND THAT WAS DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH, YOU KNOW, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS.
AND THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE WE'VE BEEN SWITCHED WHERE THEY SAID, OH, WE CAN'T DO THE EVENT OVER THERE.
WE HAVE TO DO IT ON, YOU KNOW, AT THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, OR THEY MOVED US HERE TO THE CITY HALL, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT IS JUST TOO VAGUE FOR ME.
WHAT IF THAT HAPPENS AGAIN? AND THAT HAPPENED QUITE A FEW AND WE DID THIS FOR LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, EIGHT YEARS AND WE HAD EVENTS FROM MAY TO SEPTEMBER ONCE A MONTH.
YOU KNOW, WE HOPE TO CONTINUE THAT.
BUT THEN ARE WE GETTING A PERMIT WITH THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM ARE GETTING A PERMIT WITH THE UH, DEPOT THEATER? 'CAUSE WE DID QUITE A FEW OVER THERE AND THEN WE MOVED AROUND, LIKE SHE SAID TO A GROCERY OUTLET.
SO THAT'S PUBLIC AND THAT'S PRIVATE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, VAGUE ON THE, IN THAT POINT.
SO, AND THEN, UM, I KNOW IT WAS DISCUSSED WHAT THE PENALTIES ARE, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE PAPERWORK, SO I'M THINKING OF THAT ALSO.
AND THEN THIS ALSO FALLS UNDER GARAGE SALES HOUSES THAT HAVE FREQUENT GARAGE SALES.
DOES THAT APPLY? AND THEN WE DO EVENTS AT THOSE, THE HISTORICAL HOUSES AS WELL.
DOES THAT APPLY? AND WE'RE NOT EVEN SELLING ANYTHING AT THOSE EVENTS.
SO THERE, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S TOO MUCH GIVE IN IT.
SO THESE ARE JUST QUESTIONS THAT I'M THINKING THAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST.
AND THEN WORKING WITH OTHER NONPROFITS.
SO SAY IF THERE'S FOUR OF US NONPROFITS, 'CAUSE I'VE WORKED WITH THE WOMEN'S CLUB AND WE DID A BIG EVENT, DOES THAT APPLY? YOU KNOW, AND ON THEIR PROPERTY AND I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY.
NO, MICHELLE, I JUST ASK IF YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT ONE.
I'M NOT CLEAR WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE DOING STUFF AT HOUSES.
SO IS THIS, IS THIS LIKE A HOME TOUR WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BUNCHES OF HOUSES? YEAH, SOMETHING, SOMETHING.
SOMEBODY SAID SOMETHING LIKE, DID LIKE A A UH, ONE OF THE OLDER HOUSES HERE IN LA HARBOR, HER HOUSE IS LIKE 120 YEARS OLD.
SHE WANTED TO CELEBRATE THE HOUSE BEING OLD.
DOES THAT COUNT? WE DIDN'T HAVE SELLERS.
IT WAS JUST AN EVENT TO CELEBRATE THE HOME.
DOES THAT APPLY AS WELL? AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WERE PARKED ON WALNUT, SO THAT'S PUBLIC AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE THE PARKING ON HER PROPERTY, SO THAT'S VAGUE AS WELL.
SO THOSE ARE JUST MY QUESTIONS TO GO FORWARD.
I, WE CONFIRM WITH STAFF, BUT SELLING ISN'T THE KEY AT WHAT MAKES IT
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OF AN EVENT.YOU CAN HAVE AN EVENT THAT'S JUST, BUT THAT'S THE CASE.
PEOPLE THERE TO COME TO A GRAND OPENING OR WHATEVER THAT'RE NOT NECESSARILY BUYING, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY ANYTHING FOR IT TO BE A SPECIAL EVENT.
SO YOU'RE GETTING A PERMIT, A 12 MONTH PERMIT FOR THAT? OR IS IT YOU'RE HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT TO, FOR LIKE A GRAND OPENING, RIGHT? WELL LIKE FOR YOUR EXAMPLE FOR THE HOUSE, YOU'RE BASICALLY HAVE, IT'S NOT NORMAL TO HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE SHOW UP AND DO SOME SORT OF A TOUR IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO THAT'S SPECIAL AND THAT'S WHY IT'S A SPECIAL PERMIT.
CAN WE ACTUALLY GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT HAS PROPOSED SMALL SEP DEFINED AND THERE'S ALSO AFTER THAT ONE OR BEFORE THAT ONE, THERE'S A PROPOSED LARGE SEP FINE DEFINED BECAUSE IT SAYS HERE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL OF THEM.
SO, UM, SPECIAL EVENTS, SMALL MEANS A SPECIAL EVENT THAT INCLUDES ANY OF THE FOLLOWING, FEWER THAN 250 ANTICIPATED ATTENDEES.
IS A LITTLE VAGUE BECAUSE THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE 20 PEOPLE, THAT COULD BE TWO PEOPLE.
UM, SO IT WOULD SEEM TO ME THAT MAYBE THAT MAYBE, MAYBE IT'S JUST THE SLIDE LANGUAGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE LANGUAGE EXACTLY AS IT IS IN THE, THE THE CHANGE.
BUT WELL, YEAH, THE, THE EVENT WOULD HAVE TO MEET ANY OF THAT CRITERIA AND, AND I'M SURE IT'S MORE LENGTHY IN THE LANGUAGE, IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT SO EVERY EVENT IN THE CITY THAT HAS MORE THAN TWO, LESS THAN 250 PEOPLE IS NOT A SMALL SEP.
EVERY EVENT IN THE CITY THAT'S LESS THAN FOUR DAYS IS NOT A SMALL SEP.
SO IS THAT EVENT USING LESS THAN 25% OF AVAILABLE ONSITE PARKING? I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD MEASURE ONSITE PARKING FOR A PRIVATE RESIDENCE AND THAT EVENT WASN'T CLOSING IN ANY PUBLIC STREETS.
SO I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT EVENT WOULD EVEN BE DEFINED AS A SPECIAL EVENT.
UM, AND ESPECIALLY COMMISSIONERS, I APOLOGIZE THIS SLIDE IS INACCURATE AS TO THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN.
UM, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE SPECIAL EVENT, LARGE SPECIAL EVENT, LARGE.
SO THERE WE'VE GOT THE DEFINITION FOR A SPECIAL EVENT.
LARGE, ANY EVENT THAT DOESN'T MEET THESE CRITERIA IS A SMALL EVENT.
SO I, I FEEL LIKE, AND THESE ARE ALL ORS, SO IT CAN BE ANY OF THESE.
SO THE SLIDE WITH THE SMALL EVENTS IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME THINGS.
IT'S NOT AN INCLUSIVE LIST OF EVERYTHING.
BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? UM, STAFF? WHAT'S THE DIFF IF I MAY? UM, IT'S NOT REALLY BIG.
UM, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE IN DEFINITION BETWEEN A SPECIAL EVENT SMALL AND I'M JUST GONNA SAY, YOU KNOW, A A A FRIENDS AND FAMILY GATHERING.
SO I MEAN, YOU SAID ANYTHING NOT HERE.
SO A, A BIRTHDAY PARTY IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD.
WE HAVE A LIST OF EXEMPTIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE ORDINANCE AND THEY, UM, START IN SECTION SEVEN OF THE ORDINANCE.
AND IT SAYS THAT GATHERINGS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY THAT DO NOT INVOLVE AMPLIFIED SOUND AUDIBLE BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE, TEMPORARY STRUCTURES OR THE SALE OF GOODS AND SERVICES TO THE PUBLIC AND ARE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY.
FOR INSTANCE, THAT'S EXEMPT FROM THIS.
YOU'RE DOING SOMETHING COMPLETELY INSIDE THAT'S EXEMPT IF, UM, INSIDE THE HOUSE OR INSIDE THE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE IF THE BACKYARD IS INSIDE THE STRUCTURE, NOT THE, NOT THE BACKYARD, THEN SO SOME, THE CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES BY AND SEES THAT THERE'S 50 PEOPLE IN THE BACKYARD.
ARE THEY GOING TO CITE THEM WITH A LIKELY THAT WOULD RECEIVE A CITATION? NOT BECAUSE IT IS A SPECIAL EVENT OR A LARGE EVENT, BUT BE BECAUSE OF OTHER, THE IMPACT OF THAT EVENT SUCH AS NOISE OVER THE ALLOWED AMPLIFIED SOUND? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE AMPLIFI AMPLIFICATION.
BUT IF THERE'S NOT A COMPLAINT, AS I SAID, WE DON'T GO AROUND PATROLLING THE CITY LOOKING FOR THESE TYPES OF EVENTS.
WOULD IT BE, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF I READ OUT WHAT THE EXEMPTIONS WERE? NO, IT WOULD NOT.
UM, THE LAST, THE LAST POINT AND I'LL, I'LL LEAVE SURE.
IS WHAT IF A, AN EVENT IS MOVED AS WELL? SO SOMETIMES A, LIKE I SAID, OUR EVENT WAS MOVED FROM, YOU KNOW, UH, A SHOPPING CENTER TO CITY PROPERTY AND THAT'S IN A SMALL AMOUNT OF TIME.
SO THAT KIND OF LEAVES IT A LITTLE VAGUE AS WELL.
SO I'M, I JUST CLEARLY WANT CLARIFICATION 'CAUSE WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE BUSINESS FRIENDLY, YOU KNOW, HAVING THESE BUSINESSES COME HERE, LIKE BETTINA'S BUSINESS, WE ALL WERE ON, MOST OF US WERE ON THAT PROP, YOU KNOW, PROJECT WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE MOVED FROM ONE PLACE TO
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ANOTHER.LET'S MAKE SURE THAT HER BUSINESS THRIVES SINCE WE MADE SUCH A BIG MOVE.
SO THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF JUST TONIGHT.
ALRIGHT, MICHELLE, MICHELLE, SORRY, I'M NOT, I'M NOT FOLLOWING THAT.
SO YOU, YOU MOVE MOVING EVENTS.
I GET THAT BECAUSE EVERYONE'S A SEPARATE EVENT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING MOVED DURING ONE WEEKEND YOU MOVED YES.
FROM ONE SITE TO ANOTHER SITE TO THE SAME EVENT OVER TWO DAYS FROM YES, WE WERE MO ORDERED TO MOVE FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER 'CAUSE SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED.
THAT, AND THAT HAD HAPPENED TWICE TO US.
DID THAT SOMETHING HAVE BEEN A FAILURE TO RECEIVE, LIKE, TO GET SOME SORT OF NO PERMIT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO, BECAUSE NOTHING LIKE THAT THAT, WELL THAT SEEMS LIKE THE UNUSUAL CASE TO ME.
SO MAYBE WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT.
BUT THE TYPICAL, IF YOU GET IN A PERMIT FOR AN EVENT, THE PERMIT IS GOOD WITH US FOR THE SITE YOU'VE APPLIED FOR THE EVENT ON, BUT THEN THAT WOULD MOVE WITH US, RIGHT? THAT WOULD ASSUME NO, IT DOESN'T MOVE IT GO IS PROPERTY SPECIFIC.
SO WHO, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHO MOVED IT, WHO DECIDED TO MOVE IT? WAS IT LIKE THE CITY SAYING, CITY STAFF, SOMETHING'S GOING ON OVER HERE, WE NEED YOU TO MOVE OVER CITY.
YEAH, THAT WAS THE CASE BECAUSE YOU WERE ON CITY PROPERTY AND SO NO, WE'RE ON, UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY AND IT DIDN'T CONTINUE.
SO SOMEBODY FROM CITY STAFF SAID, HEY, LET'S JUST DO IT OVER HERE.
THEY'RE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, COOL.
AS LONG AS IT GETS FIGURED OUT.
BUT WOULD THAT FALL UNDER, I, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE THAT FALLS 'CAUSE I'M STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT HAPPENED.
SO IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE WAS GOING ON FOR LIKE A, IT WAS THE TILE THAT WAS ON THE FLOOR THAT HAD TO FIX IT AND IT WAS THE ONLY TIME THAT COULD HAVE THE PEOPLE FIX IT AND WE DIDN'T WANNA CLOSE THE EVENT, SO WE MOVED IT TO THE DEPOT THEATER.
SO YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY OPEN THE EVENT THERE OR YOU JUST MOVED THE LOCATION BEFORE THE EVENT STARTED? YEAH, THE VAN WAS MOVED, THE LOCATION WAS MOVED.
UM, I THINK AT THIS POINT, UM, WE'VE GOT THE QUE THANK YOU MS. BARNIER.
UM, LET'S GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AGAIN AND, UM, I'M GONNA CALL ON THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
I HAVE A QUESTION, UH, MADAM CHAIR IN REGARDS TO A QUESTION THAT WE HEARD REGARDING PROCESSING TIME.
UM, YEAH, I THINK THAT THAT IS, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
UM, WHAT I'M SEEING HERE IS THAT THE 90 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DESIRED EVENT DATE, OBVIOUSLY DIFFICULT FOR FOR ANYBODY TO PLAN SOMETHING NOT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, IF A WEEK BEFORE THE PROJECT WOULD BE THE APPLICATION WOULD BE DENIED OR, OR NOT.
UM, IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE THAT SPEAKS TO THE PROCESSING TIME THAT THE APPLICANT, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE, UM, THAT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL FOR THEM IN PLANNING PURPOSES? I DON'T KNOW ABOUT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, BUT I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROCESS OF THE WAY OF THIS WAY THIS WORK, SO THE BIG DELINEATOR BETWEEN SMALL AND LARGE, SMALL IS HANDLED BY THE STAFF INTERNALLY, LARGE COMES BEFORE US FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND THERE WAS A SLIDE, THERE'S A SLIDE DIFFERENT PROCESS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO LEGAL ADVERTISING, WHICH IS WHY THE FEE IS MORE EXPENSIVE AND MORE TIME AND STAFF NEEDS TIME TO PREPARE THE REPORT.
SO IT'S GONNA TAKE LONGER THAN A WEEK BEFORE YOU WANT TO DO IT.
AND IF YOU REALLY WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET DENIED IF YOU'RE PLANNING AN EVENT THAT BIG, YOU NEED TO START A FEW MONTHS OUT SO YOU HAVE TIME TO, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH STUFF IF THERE'S ISSUES THAT COME UP DURING THE APPLICATION PROCESS.
YEAH, I, I GET THAT AND MAYBE WE COULD GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT KIND OF WALKS THROUGH THE, THE TIMELINE.
SO WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SEE HAPPEN IS FOR A, A BUSINESS OWNER TO, YOU KNOW, TURN IN THIS APPLICATION 90 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THEIR DESIRED DATE, AND THAT'S THREE MONTHS AND YOU KNOW, FOR TWO MONTHS, MAYBE NOTHING.
UM, IT, IT, THERE'S NOT SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS MADE.
AND THEN YOU GET INTO THAT THIRD MONTH, THEY'RE 30 DAYS OUT FROM THEIR EVENT, AND THAT PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN SCHEDULED.
OBVIOUSLY THEY WOULD KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN GONNA BE SCHEDULED FOR A CERTAIN DATE, BUT THAT'S REALLY GONNA HANDCUFF THEM ON IS, IS THAT EVENT REALLY GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT? UM, I KNOW THAT STAFF'S HANDS ARE, ARE TIED ON, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN.
I I DEFINITELY SEE THAT ALL THE TIME, BUT IT DOES MAKE IT DIFFICULT, UM, WITHOUT THEM HAVING ANY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF ASSURANCE OF YOU, HEY, GIVE, GIVE US 90 DAYS, BUT THIS PUBLIC HEARING COULD HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WEEK OF YOUR EVENT, UM, WHICH WOULD BE TERRIBLE PLANNING FOR EVERYBODY.
UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE COULD DO TO AVOID THAT OR TO HELP IMPROVE THAT.
I, I'M, I'M, I'M STRUGGLING TO SEE, I'M, I'M TRYING TO PICTURE IT ON A CALENDAR, RIGHT? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CALENDARING IS REALLY IMPORTANT NOT JUST TO, YOU KNOW,
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TO PLANNING A BIG EVENT.AND THE REASON THEY NEED TO COME UP WITH 90, YOU KNOW, A PLAN 90 DAYS AHEAD OF TIME IS BECAUSE THERE ARE MULTIPLE EVENTS IN THE CITY, THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER THINGS GOING ON THAT THE CITY HAS TO, YOU KNOW, BALANCE IT WITH IT.
AND I GET WHY, WHY A, AN APPLICANT WOULD HAVE TO GIVE 90 DAYS AT LEAST.
BUT WHAT I'M NOT UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THE CONCERN THAT THE APPLICANT ISN'T GETTING NOTIFIED SOON ENOUGH? THAT'D BE MY CONCERN.
LIKE, SO I, I'D FEEL BETTER IF THERE WAS SOMETHING, LIKE THE APPLICANT WOULD HAVE A DECISION MAYBE 30 DAYS OUT OF THE DESIRED DATE, RIGHT? SO 30 DAYS OUT, THEY WOULD KNOW IF THE EVENTS WOULD GO OR NOT.
SO THEY COULD CERTAINLY, AND THAT WOULD DEPEND ON WHEN THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, NOT NECESSARILY GO GO.
I THINK IT, YEAH, BECAUSE IF YOU SHOW UP, IF YOU SUBMIT THE APPLICATION, UH, TWO WEEKS BEFORE WE HAD TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THE ADVERTISING THAT'S LEGALLY REQUIRED.
STAFF DOESN'T HAVE TIME TO REPAIR, PREPARE THE REPORT.
I MEAN, THERE'S CERTAIN TIMEFRAMES THAT ARE AT A MINIMUM.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT 90 DAYS THE MAGIC NUMBER, BUT IF SOMETHING YOU NEED TO DO IN ADVANCE, YEAH, MAYBE I'M NOT BEING CLEAR THOUGH.
LIKE I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THE 90 DAYS.
AS LONG AS THAT APPLICANT'S GONNA GET AN ANSWER IN 60 DAYS.
SO THEY HAVE THE LAST 30 DAYS TO REALLY LIKE HONE IN ON OKAY, THE EVENT'S GONNA HAPPEN.
THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY CONCERN.
MY CONCERN ISN'T LET THE APPLICANT, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE A, A A 30 DAY WINDOW TO 30 DAYS BEFORE THEIR EVENT TRY TO GET STAFF TO EXPEDITE PROCESSING THIS.
I'M SAYING IF, IF STAFF NEEDS 90 DAYS TO GET THIS TO A DECISION, THEN LET'S HAVE THE APPLICANT DO IT 120 DAYS OUT.
SO THERE'S THAT 30 DAY BUFFER WHERE THE APPLICANT KNOWS.
BECAUSE DEPENDING ON THE EVENT, I MEAN, I, I COORDINATE DIFFERENT EVENTS.
I WOULD WANT MORE THAN 30 DAYS NOTICE YEAH.
TO KNOW THAT THE EVENT'S HAPPENING OR NOT.
IF I HAD AN EVENT THAT GOT CANCELED, UM, OR YOU KNOW, IT WAS DECIDED THAT IT COULDN'T HAPPEN WITH 30 DAYS NOTICE, SOMETIMES THAT'S NOT GONNA BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.
SO THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE ON ME.
LIKE, THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I THINK YOU'RE SAYING, COMMISSIONER RAMSON.
OKAY, THEN SIX MONTHS OUT I SHOULD BE SUBMITTING MY APPLICATION.
BUT THERE'S STILL NO GUARANTEE AS FAR AS I'VE READ THAT STAFF WOULD EVEN NECESSARILY TOUCH IT.
BUT I, I'LL GIVE YOU A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE.
SO WE HAD THE SANTA'S FARM CHRISTMAS TREE LOT FOR 40 YEARS.
WELL, NO, I'M JUST SAYING WE HAD THAT A LOT AND HE KNEW HE WANTED TO BE OPEN, YOU KNOW, THANKSGIVING WEEKEND, HE WOULD SUBMIT HIS APPLICATION IN JULY.
SO THERE WAS PLENTY OF TIME FOR IT TO GET REVIEWED.
YOU'D HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
THE THE PUBLIC HEARING CAN HAPPEN A LONG TIME BEFORE THE EVENT ACTUALLY.
SO I, I THINK JUST BECAUSE AN APPLICATION GETS TURNED IN, THE STAFF IS GOING TO ACT ON IT EFFICIENTLY.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA JUST THROW IT IN THE CORNER BECAUSE I GOT 60 DAYS TO PLAY WITH IT.
NO, I, THAT'S, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
BUT THAT'S, WHATEVER, THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION ON THAT.
SO I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ANSWERED ALL OF THE AUDIENCE'S QUESTIONS THOUGH, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD, UH, GO BACK AND LOOK AT, ACTUALLY I THINK SONIA HAS SOMETHING TO SAY HERE.
I I JUST WANNA ADD FOR THE RECORD.
TYPICALLY WHEN WE LOOK AT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, IT'S A COORDINATED REVIEW.
IT'S NOT ONE PERSON REVIEWING THE APPLICATION.
SOMETIMES BUILDING AND SAFETY ENGINEERING, SOMETIMES FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND SOMETIMES IN THESE SPECIAL EVENTS THEY NEED TO PULL PERMITS.
AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY NEED TO SUBMIT CERTAIN DETAILED INFORMATION.
THERE'S THAT BACK AND FORTH THAT OCCURS BETWEEN STAFF AND THE APPLICANT.
I THINK THERE'S A SPECTRUM OF DIFFERENT APPLICATION REQUESTS.
IF AN APPLICATION COMES TO US SOONER, WE TRY TO PROCESS AS THEY COME IN, THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS IN A TIMELY MANNER.
AND IF, OBVIOUSLY THE MORE DIFFICULT OR MORE DETAILED REQUESTS MAY TAKE LONGER TIME TO PROCESS.
I JUST REMIND THE COMMISSION THAT WHEN WE VIEWED OTHER CITIES AND RESEARCHING OTHER CITIES, THE 45 DAY PRIOR TO PROCESSING THE APPLICATIONS, NOT UNCOMMON.
IT WAS ACTUALLY, UM, TRUE FOR THE CITY OF BREA AND ALSO FOR THE CITY OF WHITTIER.
UM, THE CITY OF, UH, ANAHEIM ACTUALLY REQUIRES 180 DAYS PRIOR, SO WE'RE NOT TOO FAR FROM WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS DO.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THE COMMISSIONS DISCUSSED THIS, BUT WE'VE GONE OVER THE EXEMPTION SECTIONS WHERE ESPECIALLY EVENT PERMITS ARE NOT ADDRESSING INDOOR EVENTS.
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DON'T INCLUDE GARAGE SALES.THIS IS EXPRESSLY LISTED IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AND WE'VE DEVELOPED A DEFINITION WHICH LIMITS IT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WAS DESCRIBING EARLIER IN THE DISCUSSION.
I, I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.
I I, I DON'T KNOW, AND I MIGHT JUST BE THE OUTLIER UP HERE AND, AND I'M FINE BEING THAT AND YOU KNOW, I, I I DO AND I DON'T LIKE BRINGING OTHER CITIES IN AS AN EXAMPLE.
I UNDERSTAND THAT IT, IT HELPS, YOU KNOW, SET SOME PRECEDENT FOR, FOR NEIGHBORING CITIES AND WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE AND WHAT'S NOT.
I WAS, I WAS RUNNING A LARGE, WHAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE CONSIDERED A LARGE SEP IN WHITTIER, AND WE TURNED IN OUR APPLICATION MORE THAN 90 DAYS IN ADVANCE AND, AND WE DIDN'T GET A DECISION UNTIL A WEEK AND A HALF PRIOR TO THE EVENT.
AND THAT'S JUST, I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
AND I THINK FOR, YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT TO HAVE SOME ASSURANCE, UM, AND, AND MAYBE, MAYBE NO CITY DOES THIS.
UM, AND, AND THEN I, IN THAT CASE, I'M, I AM THE OUTLIER.
UM, BUT THAT WOULD JUST BE CONCERNING FOR ME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TWO WEEKS OUT FROM, FROM OUR EVENT THERE WONDERING IS IT EVEN GONNA BE A GO OR NOT? AND THAT WAS JUST A TERRIBLE PLACE TO PUT, YOU KNOW, A BUSINESS OR AN APPLICANT OR SOMEBODY IN, AND THAT'S JUST WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID.
I I I WANT TO, I I YOU'RE NOT AN OUTLIER.
I THINK WE'RE ALL, WE ALL SHARE THAT CONCERN AND, UM, I'M GONNA DIRECT YOU TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
UM, ON PAGE 11 WHERE IT'S ACTION ON APPLICATION, IT SAYS THE DIRECTOR SHALL RENDER HIS, HER DECISION ON AN APPLICATION FOR A SMALL SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT WITHIN 10 BUSINESS DAYS OF THE CITY'S RECEIPT OF AN APPLICATION THAT COMPLIES WITH REQUIREMENTS OF THIS CHAPTER.
SO IT LOOKS LIKE THERE IS SOME SORT OF REQUIREMENT THERE FOR ACTION ON THE APPLICATION.
AND THIS ONE HERE IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SMALL SPECIAL EVENT.
SO I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S AN ANALOG FOR THE LARGE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT I'M JUST, I HAVEN'T FOUND YET.
BUT LET'S SEE, ADDS TO ACTION ON APPLICATION.
THEN THERE'S TIMING OF APPLICATION, APPLICATION INVESTIGATION FINDINGS.
MADAM CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO ASSIST? YES.
I WOULD LIKE YOUR ASSISTANCE THERE.
TWO SECTIONS THAT I BELIEVE ADDRESS THE CONCERNS YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING.
THE FIRST IS ON PAGE 10 AND IT'S IN SECTION 18.6 5.120.
AND THAT STATES THAT FOLLOWING THE RECEIPT AND PROPER FORM OF AN APPLICATION FOR A LARGE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT, THE SECRETARY OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL FIX A TIME AND PLACE OF PUBLIC HEARING THEREON.
BUT, AND THEN ON PAGE 11 IN THE SAME SECTION, YOU WERE JUST REFERRING TO SUBSECTION B OF 18.6 5.140 SAYS THAT NO LATER THAN THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, AFTER THE CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL RENDER ITS DECISION ON AN APPLICATION FOR A LARGE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
SO NORMALLY I BELIEVE YOUR GUYS' CODE, THE CITY'S CODE PROVIDES 30 DAYS FOR MOST DECISIONS FROM WHEN YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING HERE.
THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS KIND OF TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT, RECENT JUST DELIBERATIONS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND STAFF WILL HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
AND IF AT THE CONCLUSION OF THAT PUBLIC HEARING, YOU HAPPEN TO GO AGAINST WHAT STAFF IS SAYING THAT YOU HAVE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING TO FULLY DECIDE KIND OF LIKE WHAT YOU SAW TONIGHT WHERE WE BROUGHT BACK THAT RESOLUTION.
THAT'S THE SOLE RATIONALE FOR GIVING YOU UNTIL THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING, WHICH WE'RE THINKING WOULD PROBABLY BE A MAXIMUM OF 21 DAYS, IF IT'S A A FIVE WEEK MONTH OR FIVE TUESDAY MONTH OR FIVE MONDAY
UM, BUT THE 90 DAYS WAS ALSO THE MATH THAT WENT INTO IT WAS TIME FOR STAFF TO PROCESS TIME TO SCHEDULE A PUBLIC HEARING, TIME TO HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING, THE EXTRA TIME IN THE EVENT THE COMMISSION GOES AGAINST STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND ALSO THE APPEAL PERIOD.
SO BOTH THE 90 DAY PERIOD AND THE 45 DAY PERIOD TRY TO CONTEMPLATE ANY POSSIBLE SCENARIO HAPPENING SO THAT IF SOMEONE IS UNHAPPY WITH THE RE THE DECISION OF EITHER THE DIRECTOR OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEY ALSO HAVE TIME TO APPEAL IT.
AND IT DOES FOR A LARGER EVENT, IT WOULD BE PUT, PUTTING IT PRETTY TIGHT.
BUT THAT'S ALSO WHY PEOPLE COULD CONSIDER SUBMITTING BEFORE THOSE 45 AND 90 DAY REQUIREMENTS.
AND THAT'S JUST THE FLOOR, THAT'S JUST THE MINIMUM.
BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE PLANNING LARGE EVENTS, YOU WANNA PLAN PRETTY FAR AHEAD.
I, I HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS AND I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO DISCUSSION, BUT IF ANYBODY ELSE DOES,
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PLEASE I DO.'CAUSE I'M NOT QUITE SURE WE ANSWERED ALL OF OF THE AUDIENCE'S QUESTIONS.
SO MARIE ASKED ABOUT THE CHAMBER DOING MULTIPLE EVENTS AT MULTIPLE LOCATIONS AND HOW THAT COUNTED IF IT COUNTED AGAINST THE CHAMBER OR IF IT AGAINST THE BUSINESSES.
THE WAY, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THE ORDINANCE IS YOU'D HAVE TO GET IT A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT AT EACH LOCATION.
SO IT'S THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS TO GET IT NOT THE CHAMBER.
SO IT DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT THE CHAMBER, HOW MANY EVENTS YOU HAVE, AS LONG AS THE PROPERTY OWNER'S GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS ON THEIR PROPERTIES.
UM, YOUR LUNCH MOB, I MEAN, YOU'RE JUST GUYS ARE GETTING TOGETHER INSIDE A RESTAURANT FOR LUNCH.
I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S, THAT DOESN'T EVEN APPLY.
UM, AND THEN I WAS WAS YOU GOT AN, YOU HAVE ANOTHER ONE HERE ABOUT ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WHAT, WHAT WAS, MAYBE I HEARD THAT ONE WRONG AND IT'S, UM, I THINK THE, THE QUESTION WAS THAT WAS PATEL, UM, PATEL'S QUESTION ABOUT, UM, LIKE THE BLOOD DRIVES THAT HE HAS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND, AND THINGS OF THAT SORT.
SO THAT'S STILL, YEAH, OR MARIE HAD A QUESTION ON LIKE, WHERE'S THE MONEY GO FOR THE PRIVATE PROPERTY STUFF? I, LET'S, DO YOU WANNA ANSWER THAT QUESTION FOR MR. PATEL OR BECAUSE IT, I THINK THAT'S EXEMPTED, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE EXEMPTIONS I WAS LOOKING FOR.
WHAT PAY IS IT, IN ANY EVENT, UM, PRIOR TO APPLYING FOR THESE EVENTS, THEY WOULD PROBABLY BE TOLD THAT THEY EITHER WERE EXEMPT OR NOT, CORRECT.
THE EXEMPTIONS ARE LIST LISTED ON PAGE FIVE OF THE ORDINANCE.
YEAH, SO I THINK LIKE THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKING ABOUT PARTIES AND STUFF, THAT IF PEOPLE'S HOUSES WOULD FALL UNDER THE EXEMPTION THAT'S, YOU KNOW, EVENTS CON CONDUCTED ENTIRELY WITH AN ENCLOSED BUILDING OR FACILITY OR PART OF THE NORMAL OR CUSTOMARY OPERATIONS OF THE PROPERTY.
SO BIRTHDAY PARTIES, WHATEVER, OR A NORMAL USE OF THE PROPERTY IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
SO THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE ANY KIND OF SPECIAL PERMIT THAT, SO I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS.
AND MR. PATEL WAS TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, BLOOD DRIVES AND THINGS AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE IT FALLS UNDER THE EXEMPTION OF GATHERINGS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, PROPERTY THAT DO NOT HAVE, DO, DO NOT INVOLVE AMPLIFIED SOUND, AUDIBLE BEYOND THE PROPERTY LINE.
TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, THERE'S A SALE OF GOODS AND SERVICES AND THEY'RE NOT VISIBLE FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THERE SEEM TO BE A, A PRETTY BIG AMOUNT OF EXEMPTIONS HERE.
WE DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THE FEES GO AND THAT'S TO THE CITY, CORRECT.
AND WHAT WAS THE OTHER QUESTION? YEAH, I THINK THE, THE FEES, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT THOSE ARE PROCESSING FEES, THOSE ARE REAL COSTS TO THE CITY THAT NEED TO BE REIMBURSED AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE NUMBERS COME FROM.
UM, MS. VOSS SPOKE ABOUT, UM, JUST IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE OF CURRENTLY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I WAS UNDERSTANDING HER CORRECTLY.
I CURRENTLY HER, SHE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE LIMITED ON WHAT WHAT THEY CAN DO.
AND THIS PROPOSAL BEFORE US WOULD ALLOW THEM TO HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THESE TYPES OF EVENTS.
AND, UM, MICHELLE ASKED ABOUT GARAGE SALES, UM, THAT'S COVERED UNDER A DIFFERENT ORDINANCE THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS ORDINANCE.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE FROM THE AUDIENCE.
DID ANYBODY, DID WE MISS ONE? DID ANYBODY HAVE A QUESTION WE DIDN'T ANSWER? YEAH, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY WAS HEARD.
I, I, UM, UNLESS THERE'S MORE DISCUSSION.
IS THERE, IS THERE MO IS THERE A MOTION OR IS THERE AN MADAM CHAIR? JUST TO CLARIFY, I THOUGHT YOU LEFT THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN, DID YOU? SHE CLOSE CLOSED.
I LIKE IT THAT YOU KEEP ME ON MY TOES.
I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PRESENCE.
UM, THERE'S NO REASON TO DO THAT.
SO THAT WOULD BE A CASE WHERE YOU'RE ASKING PERMISSION AND NOT FORGIVENESS, WHICH IS A GOOD, GOOD WAY TO OPERATE SOMETIMES.
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OKAY.WE JUST, YEAH, WE, WE, WE HAVEN'T, WE KNOW, WE HAVEN'T REVISITED MY, MY OUTLIER SCENARIO, BUT I I COULD JUST BE AN OUTLIER.
I I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT TIMELINE THOUGH, IF THIS IS KIND OF GONNA GO AGAINST WHAT I WAS SAYING BEFORE, BUT IF A APPLICANT CAME TO THE CITY WITH WHAT WOULD BE LIKE A LARGE SEP, YOU KNOW, 80 DAYS OUT, WOULD WE JUST, WOULD WE NOT EVEN PROCESS IT? JUST, HEY, WE, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING, PERIOD.
OR WOULD IT BE PROCESSED AND THE APPLICANT'S JUST AWARE, HEY, WE MIGHT NOT GET TO THIS IN TIME.
WHAT DO WE DO THEN? FORTUNATELY THE CODE AND OUR PRACTICE ALLOWS ME TO WAIVE THAT IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION THAT WE CAN ACT ON IT.
SO THERE'S BEEN MANY, MANY, MANY TIMES WHERE WE'VE PROCESSED IN SHORTER TIMEFRAMES THAN WHAT'S HERE.
BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU GAVE, YOU TURNED IN AN APPLICATION WAY AHEAD OF TIME AND IT STILL TOOK A LONG TIME.
FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THAT, THAT'S NOT OUR ANTI, IT'S NOT BEEN OUR PRACTICE AND NOT WE ANTICIPATE.
UM, BUT IT CAN BE REALLY CHALLENGING 'CAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE COME IN ASKING FOR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT THE DAY OF THE EVENT.
SO WE NEED TO SET, YOU KNOW, SOME GUIDE GUIDELINES THERE, BUT WE REALLY DO TRY AND WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS WE CAN ON THOSE.
I WOULD IMAGINE, AND I WOULD IMAGINE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY LIKE THE CHAMBER IN AND PEOPLE THAT ARE ORGANIZED AND USED TO DOING EVENTS LIKE THIS THAT ARE GONNA FALL ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE GUIDELINES ARE AND IF THE GUIDELINES ARE 90, THEN THEY'RE GONNA BE IN LINE WITH THOSE.
BUT W WOULD IT, I MEAN, WOULD IT BE BENEFICIAL TO JUST HAVE THAT NUMBER OUTTA THE GATE BE HIGHER THAN 90? JUST TO GIVE A BETTER BUFFER FOR JUST THE, THE PRACTICALITY OF THESE EVENTS AND BECAUSE THE CITY IS GONNA BE DILIGENT IN PROCESSING THEM, BUT JUST LOOKING AT WHAT'S IN, YOU KNOW, WHAT IT TAKES HERE.
I MEAN THAT'S, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
THAT'S ABOUT TWO MONTHS PROBABLY OF, OF OF WORK JUST RIGHT HERE.
SO WE'RE GETTING INTO LIKE THAT 30 DAY WINDOW WHERE IF THEY, YOU KNOW, SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION IN 90 DAYS OUT, THEY'RE REALLY GONNA HAVE, YOU KNOW, A MONTH TO KNOW YAY OR NAY.
BUT IF, AND, AND, AND THEY, THE NOTHING PROHIBITS THEM, LIKE COMMISSIONER RAMSON SAID THEY COULD SUBMIT IT SIX MONTHS IN ADVANCE.
UM, YEAH, BUT IF THEY SAW, YOU KNOW, ONE 20 OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT WAS FOUR MONTHS, THEN MAYBE THAT WOULD JUST MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPIER.
CITI HAS MORE TIME TO KIND OF PROCESS IT AND THEN THAT APPLICANT MIGHT GET A DECISION 60 DAYS IN, IN ADV, YOU KNOW, ADVANCE OF THEIR EVENT, WHICH WOULD CERTAINLY BE BENEFICIAL FOR THEM.
BUT I, I MEAN IF YOU GUYS ARE JUST SUPER COMFORTABLE WITH 90, BUT THAT'S FROM THE STAFF SIDE AND MAYBE NOT NECESSARILY FROM, YOU KNOW, THE EVENT PLANNER SIDE.
I MEAN THE EVENT PLANNER, TO ME, I, I WANT AS MUCH NOTICE OF OF YAY OR NAY AS POSSIBLE.
GET TO THIS, GET TO STAFF, YOU KNOW, ASAP, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, INCREASING THAT NUMBER TO ONE 20 MIGHT BE MORE HELPFUL FOR, FOR EVERYBODY.
I WOULD HAVE TO SAY I AGREE WITH YOU.
EVEN TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, I LIKE TO PLAN MY KIDS' BIRTHDAYS SIX WEEKS IN ADVANCE AND HOW MANY PEOPLE EXACTLY RIGHT.
DEPENDING, BUT THIS TIME I DID IT ONLY FOUR WEEKS AND THE PEOPLE DIDN'T OR CAN MAKE IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
SO TO ME IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO PLAN AHEAD SIX WEEKS IN ADVANCE SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT AWARENESS OF THE EVENT AND SEE, HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SHOW UP.
I PLAN SOME OF MY OUTFITS SIX WEEKS IN ADVANCE.
I I'M JUST SAYING, SO I, I AM DON'T BE ENOUGH NOTICE THAT YOU NEED NOTICE.
I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
I, YEAH, I, I THINK WHAT I WOULD BE INCLINED TO DO, UM, IF I'M ABLE TO IS UM, MAKE A MOTION JUST IN INCREASING THE 90 TO ONE 20 AND THE 45 TO 60.
UM, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT, IN MY EYES MAKE, MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPIER DOWN THE ROAD UNLESS THERE'S SOMETHING UNFORESEEN FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE THAT IN DOING SO, WOULD WOULD JUST BE REALLY DUMB.
NO, I, I SEE THAT M UM, COMMISSIONER RAMON WANTS TO SAY SOMETHING.
WELL, IF THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS WANNA DO, THAT'S FINE, BUT I, I DISAGREE.
SO
WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? I, I'M THINKING THE TIMEFRAMES ARE, OR FINE THE WAY THEY'RE WRITTEN AS DIRECTOR KIM POINTED OUT, UM, THERE, THERE NUMEROUS TIMES WHEN STAFF MAKES EVERYTHING GO FASTER BECAUSE OF URGENCY OR SOMETHING THAT'S COME UP AND THEY WORK WITH, WITH EVERYBODY.
AND I ALSO THINK THAT PART OF IT IS YOU'RE KIND OF ASSUMING THE APPLICANT DOESN'T KNOW TILL THE 90 DAYS OUT.
IF THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THE PROCESS AND IT'S NOT GONNA WORK OUT, STAFF'S GONNA TELL THEM WAY EARLY IN THE PROCESS.
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NOT GONNA BE A VACUUM WHERE THEY DON'T WORK WITH THE APPLICANT AND SAY, NO, WE JUST DENIED IT 'CAUSE WE WEREN'T HAPPY WITH IT.IT, THERE WOULD'VE BEEN MANY MONTHS OF BACK AND FORTH ASKING QUESTIONS, CLARIFY THIS, TELL US WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
SO THE, THE APPLICANT REALLY, IF IT'S NOT GONNA WORK, THE APPLICANT'S GONNA KNOW WAY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS ANYWAY.
NOT, NOT TO WHEN THE DECISION'S RENDERED THE A OFFICIALLY, BUT THE APPLICANT COULD GET A DENIAL AT THE PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? YEP.
AND THAT, THAT COULD, I MEAN, HOW LONG ON OUR SCREEN RIGHT THERE, ROY, HOW LONG DO YOU THINK THAT PROCESS TAKES? IF, IF THEY HAVE TWO WEEKS TO APPEAL IT TO CITY COUNCIL? BUT I MEAN, 10 DAY NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING.
I MEAN, HOW QUICKLY DO YOU THINK FROM THAT APPLICATION GOING INTO THE DESK AT CITY HALL, ARE WE GETTING TO THAT 10 DAY NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING? REALISTICALLY, THE 10 DAY PUBLIC HEARING FOR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE LARGE OR THE SMALL? THE LARGE.
SO AS, AS, AS SONYA POINTED OUT THERE, THERE IS A PROCESS, SO WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES INTO TO THE CITY, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CIRCULATES THE PLAN TO ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT HAVE TO, TO REVIEW PLANS, FIRE, POLICE, PUBLIC WORK, ANYBODY THAT MAY BE INVOLVED, THAT THAT'S PART OF THAT PROCESS PERIOD.
BECAUSE IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT COMES IN, IT GETS SENT OUT THE NEXT WEEK, A MEETING SET UP, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE TIME TO RESPOND AND GIVE COMMENTS BACK.
SO YOU KNOW HOW LONG THAT PROCESS TAKES.
DEPENDS ON HOW COMPLICATED THE PROPOSAL IS.
IF IT'S A REAL SIMPLE ONE, IT'S GONNA GO PRETTY QUICKLY.
BUT IF IT GOES TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND THEY COME BACK WITH, THEY HAVE LOTS OF CONCERNS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, WE NEED YOU TO TELL, GIVE US MORE INFORMATION OR DO THIS, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA LENGTHENING IT, LENGTHENING IT OUT.
ARE YOU TALKING LIKE A MONTH YOU THINK? I I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A MAGIC NUMBER.
IT'S, IT DEPENDS EACH ON, ON EACH APPLICATION.
SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A VALID POINT THAT IT'S, IT'S GOING TO MAYBE TAKE LONGER FOR SOME PEOPLE THAN OTHERS, BUT IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S TAKING LONG BECAUSE IT'S SITTING ON SOMEBODY'S DESK.
NO, AND, AND THAT'S, I I IT IS TAKING TIME BECAUSE THERE'S THE GIVE AND TAKE AND THE BACK AND FORTH AND THE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU CAN'T BLOCK THE PUBLIC STREET OR YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE HAVE A FIRE ISSUE OR, OR YOU CAN'T DO THIS BECAUSE IT'S AN A DA ISSUE OR WHATEVER, WHATEVER THOSE ISSUES ARE, YOU KNOW, IT IS GONNA COME OUT IN THAT INITIAL, UM, RESPONSE.
AND AT, AT THAT POINT, STAFF'S GONNA LET THE APPLICANT KNOW, WE GOT ALL THESE QUESTIONS YOU NEED TO ANSWER.
AND IF THERE'S, SO, LIKE, IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN THERE THAT'S A DEAL KILLER, THEY'RE GONNA KNOW RIGHT AWAY.
YOU AND IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA TELL THE APPLICANT, THIS AIN'T GONNA WORK GUYS BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALL THESE MAJOR REGULATIONS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, YOU CAN'T MEET THEM WITH WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S, IT'S A PROCESS.
I MEAN THIS IS MAKING ME FEEL EVEN STRONGER ON, ON WHERE I STAND.
I THINK I, I THINK WHAT I'M HEARING IS, YOU KNOW, REALISTICALLY IT'S, IT'S A MONTH, UH, COULD BE QUICKER, COULD BE LONGER BEFORE WE GET TO THE 10 DAY NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING, AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE ANOTHER MONTH FROM THAT POINT TO GET TO THAT HEARING.
AND SO WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO THIS TWO MONTH TIMEFRAME WHERE, AND THEN THE APPEAL PROCESS TOO, BUT WHERE, OKAY, NOW WHERE APPLICATION GOES IN AND TWO MONTHS LATER AND A DECISION IS RENDERED, UM, IT'S, IT'S TOO LONG FOR ME.
I, IT'S, I DON'T, IT MAKES ME UNCOMFORTABLE.
SO I I WOULD MAKE A MOTION PROBABLY ONE THAT COMMISSIONER RAMSON WOULDN'T SUPPORT
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 25 DASH ZERO THREE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE, SOME PEOPLE GATHERED HERE, WISH WE WERE, I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LAHABRA, CALIFORNIA RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN OR ORDINANCE APPROVING ZONE CHANGE 25 DASH 0 0 3 TO ADD CHAPTER 18.65 SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS TO TITLE 18 ZONING AND AMEND SECTION 18.0 4.030 TERMS DEFINED OF CHAPTER 18.04.
DEFINITIONS SECTION 18.0 6.040 LAND USES OF CHAPTER 18.06 ZONES ESTABLISHED ZONING, MAP BOUNDARIES AND LAND USES.
AND SECTION 18.2 3.090 SIGN REGULATIONS TEMPORARY SIGNS OF CHAPTER 18.23 SIGN STANDARDS OF TITLE 18 ZONING
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FOR CONSISTENCY WITH CHAPTER 18.65 AND MAKING A DETERMINATION THAT THE ORDINANCE IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT KNOWN AS CA PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 1 5 3 7 8 B FIVE AND 1 5 0 6 1 B THREE OF THE CA GUIDELINES JUST WITH TWO MODIFICATIONS.ONE, THE APPLICATION FOR A LARGE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE CITY 120 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DESIRED EVENT DATE.
AND FOR A SMALL, UH, SEP, THE APPLICATION BE SUBMITTED 60 DAYS PRIOR TO THE DESIRED EVENT DATE A SECOND.
A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY COMMISSIONER MANLEY AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER CARDENAS.
EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.
MOTION PASSES, UM, THREE TO ONE WITH COMMISSIONER RAMSON VOTING NO, ITS FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ITEM IS DULY NOTICE PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 25 DASH THREE TO IMPLEMENT A SIGN PROGRAM FOR A VEHICLE SERVICE STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE LOCATED AT SEVEN 50 NORTH HARBOR BOULEVARD.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FOR THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.
AND DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES WE DO.
UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR AND GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
AGAIN, MY NAME IS JACOB LINGA, UM, AND I'M THE ASSOCIATE PLANNER HERE AT THE CITY ALL AS YOU MENTIONED, THE PROJECT IS LOCATED ON THE EAST SIDE OF NORTH HARBOR BOULEVARD, JUST SOUTH OF EAST WHITTIER AVE, AND CONSISTS OF A SINGLE PARCEL OF POINT 45 ACRES.
THE SITE IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION TO BUILD AN APPROVED AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATION AND CONVENIENCE.
STORE APPROVAL FOR THESE STRUCTURES WAS OBTAINED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.
UNDER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 22 DASH OH THREE.
THE SITE IS SURROUNDED BY A VARIETY OF COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, SINGLE AND MULTI-UNIT RESIDENCES, AND A SMALL PARK TO THE WEST PURSUANT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION NUMBER 22 DASH 41 FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 22 DASH OH THREE.
THE PROPERTY OWNER IS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A SIGN PROGRAM FOR THE PROPERTY AND RECEIVE APPROVAL PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF ANY SIGN PERMITS.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING SIGN STANDARDS THAT DEVIATE SLIGHTLY FROM THE MUNICIPAL CODE STANDARDS, WHICH TRIGGERS THE NEED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THE UNIQUE SET OF STANDARDS FOR THE PROJECT SITE.
THE SIGN PROGRAM CONSISTS OF THREE SIGN TYPES.
THE GAS STATION CANOPY SIGNS A FREESTANDING SIGN AND TWO WALL SIGNS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO INSTALL TWO CANOPY SIGNS ALONG THE GAS STATION CANOPY FASCIA THAT CONSISTS OF A VINYL FACE.
THE CANOPY FASCIA WILL FEATURE TWO 7.07 SQUARE FOOT CHANNEL LOGOS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH FACING SIDES CONSTRUCTED OUT OF INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED VINYL.
THE CANOPY FASCIA AND LOGOS WILL INCORPORATE REGIONALLY AND NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED LOGO COLORS.
THE EXISTING 22 FOOT TALL FREESTANDING SIGN LOCATED ON THE CORNER OF HARBOR BOULEVARD AND WHITTIER AVE IS PROPOSED TO BE UPDATED TO BETTER MATCH THE DESIGN OF THE APPROVED CONVENIENCE STORE.
THIS PROPOSED DESIGN DEVIATES FROM THE MUNICIPAL CODE BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET FOR PYLON SIGNS.
THE PROPOSED SIGN DESIGN WILL CONSIST OF INTERNALLY ILLUMINATED ALUMINUM CABINETS WITH FORMED POLYCARBONATE PHASE GAS PRICES WILL BE DISPLAYED USING A 10 INCH ILLUMINATED RED, GREEN, AND WHITE LEDS.
THE TOP THIRD OF THE SIGN WILL BE UPDATED TO ADD THE TENANT LOGOS AND INCORPORATE THE SAME REGIONALLY AND NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED LOGO COLORS.
THE DECORATIVE FRAMING WILL INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE EXISTING SIGN TO 22 FOOT BY SIX SIX INCHES BY SEVEN FOOT FIVE INCHES FOR A TOTAL SIGNED AREA OF 97.28 SQUARE FEET.
THE INCREASE TO THE SIGN WILL NOT HAVE AN IMPACT ON ANY TRAFFIC SITE LINES AND WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH ANY OVERHEAD POWER LINES.
THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TWO TENANT WALL SIGNS ALONG THE NORTH AND WEST FACES OF THE APPROVED CONVENIENCE STORE.
THESE SIGNS CONSIST OF ILLUMINATED CHANNEL LETTERS AND INCORPORATE REGIONALLY AND NATIONAL NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED LOGO COLORS.
THE THESE TWO SIGNS DEVIATE FROM THE DESIGN STANDARDS OF THE LAW OF OUR MUNICIPAL CODE, WHICH ALLOWS FOR A WALL'S HEIGHT TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 15% OF THE TOTAL WALL HEIGHT THAT THE SIGN IS LOCATED ON.
DUE TO THE SIZE AND DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED AND APPROVED CONVENIENCE STORE STAFF DETERMINED THAT THE
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PROPOSED SIGN STANDARDS WOULD COMPLEMENT THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND AREN'T STILL AN APPROPRIATE SIZE FOR THE STRUCTURE AS PROPOSED.THE NORTHERN FACING SIGN WILL BE ALLOWED TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 16% OF THE RESPECTIVE WALL HEIGHT WHILE THE WESTERLY FACING WALL SIGN WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 17% OF THE RESPECTIVE WALL HEIGHT.
THE NORTH FACING SIGN C WILL BE A MAXIMUM OF 3.25 FEET HIGH BY 16.25 FEET WIDE FOR A TOTAL OF 30.54 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL DISPLAY SQUARE FRONT FOOTAGE.
THE NORTH FACING SIGN AGAIN WILL BE ALLOWED TO BE A MAXIMUM OF 16% OF THE RESPECTIVE WALL HEIGHT.
THE WESTERLY FACING SIGN D WOULD BE A MAXIMUM OF 3.25 SQUARE FEET HIGH BY 10.7 FEET WIDE FOR A TOTAL OF 20.56 SQUARE FEET IN TOTAL DISPLAY SQUARE FOOTAGE.
AND THIS WALL SIGN WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE THE MAXIMUM OF 17% OF THE RESPECTIVE WALL HEIGHT.
THE PROPOSED SIGN PROGRAM PROVIDES DESIGN SPECIFICATIONS THAT WOULD PROVIDE ORDER UNIFORM D AND ORDERLY PLACEMENT OF MULTIPLE SIGNS ON THE SITE THAT WAS APPROVED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND OPERATION OF A GAS STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THIS PROJECT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
THANK YOU AND STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS.
AT THIS TIME I'LL ASK PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS NOW.
WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL HEAR FIRST FROM ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROS PROPOSED PROJECT.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK, I DIDN'T FILL OUT A PAPER, BUT, UH, MY NAME IS DAVID BERRY.
I'M JUST BASICALLY HERE, UH, TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE SEEN THE PROJECT, UH, WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO COMPLETION.
AND, UH, BASICALLY THE, UM, AS JACOB MENTIONED, THE PYLON SIGN IS EXISTING AND, UH, STAFF REQUESTED THAT WE, UM, KIND OF DRESS UP THE POLES, UH, ON IT TO MATCH THE BUILDING.
WE HAD PLANNED ON, YOU KNOW, REFACING IT.
UM, BUT WE HAD A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, UM, TREATMENT TO IT, BUT THEY ASKED US TO KIND OF MATCH IT MORE TO THE BUILDING AND WE HAVE NO PROBLEM OBLIGING AND, UM, UM, WE'VE GOT THE CANOPY LOGOS AND THE BUILDING LOGOS.
I, I THINK IT'S A NICE PACKAGE.
THANK YOU MR. BERRY, FOR BRINGING YOUR BUSINESS TO LA HABRA.
UM, NOW WE WILL HEAR FROM THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED ITEM.
IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM NOW AND ADDRESS THE COMMISSION.
NO, WE'LL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND I'LL CALL ON THE PLA PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FOR DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA, MAKING THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 25 DASH 0 0 1 3 TO IMPLEMENT ASSIGNED PROGRAM FOR AN AUTOMOBILE SERVICE STATION AND CONVENIENCE STORE, LOCATED AT SEVEN 50 NORTH HARBOR BOULEVARD.
AS PER THE APPROVED PLANS AND SUBJECT TO CONDITIONS AND MAKING THE DETERMINATION THAT THE PROJECT IS EXEMPT FROM THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT PURSUANT TO SECTION 1 53 1 11, CLASS 11 ACCESSORY STRUCTURES OF THE CQA GUIDELINES.
A MOTION HAS BEEN MADE BY MYSELF AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RAMS. LYNN, EVERYONE PLEASE ENTER YOUR VOTES.
MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO AND THIS WILL BECOME FINAL AND 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF THIS EVENING? THERE ARE NO COMMENTS FROM STAFF.
ANY COMMENTS FROM COMMISSIONERS? I'M EXCITED YOU'RE GETTING CLOSE.
I HAD TO RETURN A RENTAL CAR RIGHT, RIGHT THERE, UH, ON WOODIER BOULEVARD.
AND I, I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH GAS AND I, I DIDN'T APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, THE PROXIMITY OF GAS STATIONS NEARBY.
UM, I I HAD TO GO FURTHER THAN I WOULD'VE LIKED.
IT'S A GOOD, UM, THE OTHER ONE, RIGHT? IT'S JUST FAR, IT'S JUST TOO FAR.
I I'VE BEEN EXCITED WAITING FOR YOU GUYS TO OPEN UP AS WELL, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO TAKE TIME TO LIKE, COMPLIMENT THE STAFF ON THE, THE GRAPHICS.
AGAIN, THEY JUST KEEP GETTING BETTER EVERY TIME.
YOU GUYS ARE KILLING IT WITH YOUR STAFF REPORTS BECAUSE LIKE THAT, THE, THE LEGEND, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE NOW I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT EVERYTHING CORRESPONDED THE BIG A, B, C, D, AND E THAT WORKED FOR ME.
UM, I AM VERY VISUAL, SO THANK
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YOU.THAT MAKES EVERYTHING WAY BETTER.
MAYBE WITH THE TIMING STUFF, A CALENDAR, LIKE IF I COULD SEE THE CALENDAR, I COULD UNDERSTAND BETTER.
'CAUSE I DO THE SAME THING WHEN, YOU KNOW, AS AN ATTORNEY I HAVE TO CALENDAR.
IT HELPS ME TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE, THE DATES.
BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I'M JUST HAPPY TO SEE PEOPLE PARTICIPATING TODAY.
I'M VERY GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL THAT EVERY, THAT, EVERYBODY THAT SHOWED UP TODAY, THANKS.
THERE BEING NO FURTHER BUSINESS BEFORE THE COMMISSION.
THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED TO MONDAY, OCTOBER 13TH, 2025.