Nov 03, 2025 City Council

WOULD THE CLERK PLEASE CALL RO? YES.

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER LAMBKIN HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER NICK IAN HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ.

HERE.

MAYOR PRO TEM MEDRANO'S.

ABSENT.

MAYOR ESPINOZA HERE.

UM, THERE IS NO, NO CLOSED SESSION WITHHELD.

THAT'S CORRECT.

WE WILL NOW PROCEED WITH PRESENTATION.

[1. PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 10-14, 2025, AS "LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS AND SUPPORT PERSONNEL WEEK" IN THE CITY OF LA HABRA]

WILL NOT PROCEED TO PUBLIC COMMENTS.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, UNFORTUNATELY OUR, OUR, OUR MAYOR'S A LITTLE UNDER THE WEATHER, SO I WILL LEAD IT ALONG WITH THE REMAINING COUNCIL MEMBERS.

WE'RE GONNA BE PROCLAIMING THE NOVEMBER 10TH THROUGH THE 14TH, 2025 AS LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS AND SUPPORT PERSONNEL WEEK IN THE CITY OF LA HARBOR.

WILL OUR, UH, POLICE CHIEF ALSO JOIN US UP FRONT? CHIEF CO.

GO AHEAD, CHIEF.

THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

WE'RE REALLY, UH, BLESSED TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THANK OUR RECORDS BUREAU.

THEY ARE THE FACE OF THE DEPARTMENT.

MANY OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU SEE WHEN YOU GO TO THE FRONT COUNTER OR, UH, CALL ON THE PHONE.

UM, THEY DO, UH, VARIOUS TASKS THAT, UH, REALLY HELP US IN OUR WHEELS OF JUSTICE.

I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR BUREAU MANAGER, JENNIFER DEWAN, WHO'S GONNA SAY JUST A FEW WORDS.

THANK YOU, CHIEF.

UM, TONIGHT I HAVE A COUPLE OF OUR RECORDS PERSONNEL THAT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TO EVERYONE.

THIS IS A RECORDS, UM, SUPERVISOR KATHY, OR RECORD SPECIALIST STACY.

UM, A FEW OF OUR CADETS, RYAN, ANTHONY, JESUS, KAREN, AND SIMON OVER THERE.

UM, AND REALLY THE RECORDS DEPARTMENT IS THE TEAM THAT, LIKE THE CHIEF SAID, YOU SEE WHEN YOU WALK INTO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OR WHEN YOU CALL, UM, THEY HELP TAKE COUNTER REPORTS.

THEY ALSO, UM, TAKE THE PAYMENTS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, AND ANNUALLY THEY ALSO PROCESS OVER 7,000 POLICE REPORTS.

UM, THEY DO THE REPORTING TO DOJ, THEY DO THE ENTRIES INTO THE STATE AND FEDERAL DATABASES, AND THEY PROCESS OVER A HUNDRED, UM, PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS PER WEEK.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY DO FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND I REALLY WANNA TAKE THE TIME TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CHIEF FOR HIS LEADERSHIP AND SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AND TO COUNCIL FOR TAKING TIME TO RECOGNIZE THEIR HARD WORK AND SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

JENNIFER, ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE LA HOPPER CITY COUNCIL, WE'D LIKE TO AGAIN PROCLAIM IT TO LAW ENFORCEMENT RECORDS AND SUPPORT PERSONNEL WEEK.

WE WANT TO THANK YOU, YOU'RE A PART OF THE PIECE OF THE PUZZLE TO HELP OUR, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY HELP KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE.

YOU GUYS PLAY A VITAL ROLE IN KEEPING LAHABRA SAFE.

SO WE THANK YOU ON BEHALF OF ALL OF US AND OUR MAYOR, UNFORTUNATELY UNDER THE WEATHER.

SO, UM, CAN WE TAKE A PICTURE? MAYOR, WHY DON'T YOU STAND UP, MAYOR, STAND UP, PLEASE.

THERE YOU GO.

THAT WORKS.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CAN WE PLEASE GIVE 'EM A LOUD ROUND OF APPLAUSE, PLEASE? THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH.

[ PUBLIC COMMENTS: When addressing the La Habra City Council, please complete a Speaker’s Card before leaving the Council Chamber. General Public Comments shall be received at the beginning of the governing body meeting and limited to three (3) minutes per individual, with a total time limit of 30 minutes for all public comments, unless otherwise modified by the Mayor or Chair. Speaking time may not be granted and/or loaned to another individual for purposes of extending available speaking time, and comments must be kept brief, non-repetitive, and professional in nature. The general Public Comment portion of the meeting allows the public to address any item of City business not appearing on the scheduled agenda. Per Government Code Section 54954.3(a), such comments shall not be responded to by the governing body during the meeting.]

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THANK YOU, .

THANK YOU, MAYOR.

PUBLIC COMMENTS, WHEN ADDRESSING THE LA HABRA CITY COUNCIL, PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD BEFORE LEAVING THE COUNCIL CHAMBER.

GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

UNLESS OTHERWISE, MODIFIED BY THE MAYOR OR CHAIR SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOANED TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM OF CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A SUCH COMMENT, SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING.

IS THERE ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK? IF SO, PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR, UH, AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME IS JAMES LEE.

I LIVE AT 2140 SOUTH FERRELL COURT, LA HABER, CALIFORNIA 9 0 6 3 1.

I'M THE CO-FOUNDER OF SAVE LA HABRA, THE CITIZENS COMMITTEE THAT LED THE 2020 CAMPAIGN TO REC, PROTECT OPEN SPACES, ENSURE VOTERS AND NOT DEVELOPERS GUIDE OUR CITY'S FUTURE.

I'M ASKING THAT ITEM EIGHT BE REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR AND HEARD SEPARATELY.

THIS IS NOT A ROUTINE ADMINISTRATIVE ITEM.

IT AUTHORIZES A SPECIAL FAST TRACK AGREEMENT FOR LENNAR'S WESTRIDGE HILLS PROJECT.

MR. LEES, I'M SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION.

THIS SHOULD PROBABLY BE ADDRESSED DURING CONSENT.

CORRECT? AND NOT GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

IT NEEDS TO BE BEFORE CONSENT.

IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED FROM CONSENT.

KEITH, NO, IT'S OKAY FOR THESE COMMENTS TO PROCEED.

OH, FOR AT THIS TIME? YES.

I'M NOT SURE WHERE I LEFT OFF, BUT, UH, IT'S SIMILAR, UH, TO THE WELL THAT THIS PROJECT IS SIMILAR TO THE ONE THE COUNCIL REJECTED 2020, UH, AFTER OVERWHELMING PUBLIC OPPOSITION, OVER 75% OF THE HABERS VOTERS SUPPORTED THE INITIATIVE TO PRESERVE OPEN SPACES AND KEEP CONTROL OVER OUR CITY'S GROWTH DECISIONS.

LOCAL VOTING TO EXPEDITE THIS PROJECT NOW UNDER A PAY TO EXPEDITE DEAL, WOULD SEND THE WRONG MESSAGE TO THE RESIDENTS WHO ELECTED YOU.

THAT IS THE CITY'S SIDING WITH THE DEVELOPER AS OPPOSED TO THE COMMUNITY, THE STAFF, UH, THE, UH, THE STAFF REPORT ITSELF CALLS LENNAR'S PROPOSED SCHEDULE UNREALISTIC.

IT WOULD COMPRESS A NORMAL 18 MONTH BOW AND TIMELINE DOWN TO SEVEN MONTHS BY SHIFTING MAJOR PORTIONS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REVIEW TO OUTSIDE CONSULTANTS PAID THROUGH LENNAR'S REIMBURSEMENT FUNDS.

I URGE YOU NOT TO DO THAT, THE SPEND THE 11 EXTRA MONTHS AND ALLOW YOUR OWN CITY STAFF WHO KNOW THE SITE HISTORY, THE INFRASTRUCTURE, AND THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS TO CONDUCT THE REVIEW THOROUGHLY AND INDEPENDENTLY.

KEEP IN MIND THAT THE PROJECT DELAYS TO DATE WERE CAUSED BY LENNAR THEMSELVES BY NOT COMPLETING THE EXPANDED PROJECT DESCRIPTION ON TIME.

ONCE THIS PROJECT IS RUSHED, YOU CAN UNDO IT.

AN INCOMPLETE ENVIRONMENTAL RECORD OR OVERLOOK TRAFFIC OR SAFETY ISSUES WILL HAUNT THE CITY LATER, LONG AFTER DEVELOPER'S GONE, YOUR STAFF IS ACCOUNTABLE TO YOU AND THE PUBLIC OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS ARE NOT.

PLEASE PULL THE NUMBER EIGHT FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR, REJECT THE FAST TRACK ARRANGEMENT SO THE FULL COMMUNITY AND THE PLANNING AND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STAFFS HAVE A PROPER AND TRANSPARENT REVIEW.

THE PEOPLE OF LA HABER WANT CAREFUL STAFF LED ANALYSIS, NOT A DEVELOPER DRIVEN SHORTCUT.

THAN DEVELOPER TIMELINES.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME UP TO THE PODIUM AND PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

HI.

HI, MY NAME'S UM, MARYBELL LOPEZ, 1821 SOUTH FORD COURT.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

UM, I'M PROUD TO CALL LAHABRA MY HOME.

I ALSO HELPED TO CO-FOUND SAVE LAHABRA THE GRASSROOTS COMMUNITY EFFORT FORM BECAUSE SO MANY RESIDENTS LOVE THE CITY AND WANNA PROTECT ITS REMAINING OPEN SPACES.

SO TONIGHT I'M ASKING YOU TO ALSO PULL ITEM NUMBER EIGHT FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

FAST TRACKING THE WESTRIDGE HILLS PROJECT IS NOT A SMALL OR ROUTINE DECISION.

IT INVOLVES OVER 500 HOMES ON THE FORMER WESTRIDGE GOLF COURSE.

A PROJECT THIS COUNCIL ALREADY DENIED IN 2020 AFTER STRONG COMMUNITY CONCERN, IT DESERVES A FULL AND OPEN CONVERSATION, NOT A QUIET APPROVAL BURIED IN CONSENT.

MORE THAN 75% OF LA HABRA VOTERS SPOKE LOUDLY WHEN THEY VOTED TO ENSURE OUR COMMUNITY HAS A REAL VOICE AND DECISIONS THAT IMPACT OPEN SPACE APPROVING AND ACCELERATED PROCESSING AGREEMENT.

NOW, ESPECIALLY ONE FUNDED BY THE DEVELOPER RISKS, SENDING A MESSAGE THAT COMMUNITY VOICES MATTER LESS

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SO RUSHING THIS ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PROCESS DOESN'T JUST THREATEN ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTIONS.

IT THREATENS TRUST, TRANSPARENCY, AND OUR BELIEF THAT CITY GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE.

I RESPECTFULLY URGE YOU, DO NOT APPROVE THIS EXPEDITED AGREEMENT.

BRING THIS ITEM INTO THE LIGHT OF FULL PUBLIC REVIEW WHERE IT BELONGS.

OUR COMMUNITY HAS MADE ITS POSITION INCREDIBLY CLEAR.

WE WANT THOUGHTFUL PLANNING, NOT DEVELOPER DRIVEN SPEED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR PROTECTING DUE PROCESS IN LAHABRA.

HELLO, MY NAME IS CHRISTINE COOK, REPRESENTING 2001 SOUTH MANGRAM COURT, AND I AM JUST IN AGREEMENT WITH JIM AM MARIBEL.

UM, THIS EXPEDITION EXPEDITED AGREEMENT GIVES LENNAR ALL THE POWER.

IT DOESN'T GIVE THE CITY OF LA HABRA ANY POWER.

UM, MATTER OF FACT, THEY CAN TAKE AWAY THE EXPEDITION IF THEY WANT TO, IF PROBABLY THINGS ARE NOT GOING THEIR WAY, UM, 11 MONTHS.

WHY DO THEY NEED IT TO HAVE 11 MONTHS EARLIER? IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE STATE THAT IS GONNA CHANGE SOME LAWS AND HOW THEY SNEAK THEIR WAY INTO THE CITY, UM, AND PUSH THIS, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS AGREEMENT THROUGH, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT ANYWAY, UM, ALSO HAS LENNAR TERMINATED THE LAWSUIT WITH THE CITY? THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE AND JUST REALLY WANT, UH, OUR CITY TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING THE TRUSTED PEOPLE AND NOT JUST A BIG DEVELOPER WHO'S INTERESTED IN MAKING MONEY AND THEN LEAVING.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? HI, MY NAME IS, UH, BILL SANDERS.

I LIVE AT 1821 SOUTH HAGAN STREET IN LAHABRA.

LIVED IN LAHABRA FOR 45 YEARS.

UM, THIS, THIS, UH, WE'VE GONE DOWN THIS ROAD IN 2020.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE CITY, I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME.

EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THE CITY IS BECOMING HIGH DENSITY HOUSING.

I MEAN, EVEN NEXT TO THREE CALENDARS, THERE'S HIGH DENSITY.

I MEAN, IT'S 50 YARDS LONG.

SO THIS IS THE LAST, IF YOU LOOK AT A MAP, THIS IS THE LAST GREEN SPACE THAT WE HAVE IS THIS, UH, GOLF COURSE AREA.

AND THEY WANNA PUT FOUR OR 500 HOMES THERE, NONE OF WHICH ARE GONNA BE AFFORDABLE.

SO YOUR AFFORDABLE SIDE OF YOUR HOUSING'S GONNA, AND WHAT IS AFFORDABLE TODAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR HOMES THERE.

SO FOR WHO, NOT FOR THE PEOPLE YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD THESE HIGH DENSITY HOUSING FOR, OR WHATEVER, JUST TO, UH, SATISFY THE CITY OR THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA.

SO IT, IT'S INTERESTING THAT WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD EVERY THREE OR FOUR YEARS.

AND LENNAR, I THINK THE LAST I HEARD WAS SOON THE HELL OUT OF THE CITY.

OKAY? THEY'RE GONNA STOP NOW BECAUSE MAYBE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA DO 'EM A FAVOR.

UH, I JUST THINK IT'S, UM, WITH ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL, WITH WATER, WITH ALL THE CARS THAT THAT'S GONNA PRODUCE.

IF WE'RE LOOKING AT FOUR OR 500, YOU'RE LOOKING AT MINIMUM A THOUSAND CARS.

YOU, YOU GO IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SOME HOUSES HAVE FIVE CARS AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

LOOK AT, LOOK AT THE STREETS AROUND HERE.

CARS ARE PARKED ON THE STREET ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO PEOPLE DON'T JUST HAVE ONE CAR TODAY.

SO WE JUST ASK THAT YOU FOLKS LOOK AT THIS AS IT IS THE LAST OF THE GREEN SPACE AND THE COMMUNITY SPOKE.

UM, YOU KNOW, IT SPOKE IN 2020 AND LET YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT'S UP.

SO APPRECIATE YOU GUYS LISTENING TO ME.

THANK YOU MUCH.

ANNUAL, ANNUAL ALLOWABLE RENT ADJUSTMENT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? HELLO, MY NAME IS LINDA HUDAK.

I LIVE AT 1 0 0 1 WEST LAMBERT IN LAHABRA.

I AM, UM, I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF LAHABRA OFF AND ON FOR 60 YEARS.

I'M HERE TONIGHT TO RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO ADOPT A SPACE RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE FOR LAHABRA MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS OWN THEIR HOMES, BUT RENT SPACE BENEATH THEM.

THAT MEANS WE CAN FACE LARGE, UNPREDICTABLE RENT INCREASES WITH LITTLE PROTECTION.

A SPACE RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE WOULD KEEP RENTS FAIR AND AFFORDABLE WHILST ALLOWING PARK OWNERS TO EARN A FAIR RETURN ON THEIR INVESTMENT.

THIS TYPE OF ORDINANCE USUALLY INCLUDES FIVE KEY PROVISIONS THAT KEEP THINGS BALANCED FOR EVERYONE.

THIS LIMITS HOW MUCH RENT CAN INCREASE EACH YEAR, OFTEN TIED TO THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE CPI RISES 4% AND THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS ONLY 75% OF THE AMOUNT, THEN RENT COULD INCREASE NO MORE THAN 3%.

THIS KEEPS RENT INCREASES PREDICTABLE AND

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IN LINE WITH THE COST OF LIVING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PASS THROUGHS.

IF THE PARK OWNER MAKES MAJOR IMPROVEMENTS LIKE NEW ROADS OR SEWER SYSTEMS, THEY CAN TEMPORARILY PASS THOSE COSTS ONTO THE RESIDENTS.

BUT THOSE CHARGES MUST BE SPREAD OVER THE LIFE OF THE PROJECT AND LISTED SEPARATELY ON RENT STATEMENTS AND REMOVED ONCE THE COST HAS BEEN PAID OFF.

VACANCY CONTROL, THIS LIMITS HOW MUCH RENT CAN RISE.

WHEN A HOME CHANGES HANDS PROTECTING THE HOMEOWNER'S EQUITY AND RESALE VALUE, EVERY $100 RENT INCREASE CAN REDUCE A HOME'S VALUE BY ABOUT $10,000.

SO THIS PROTECTION IS VITAL FOR KEEPING HOUSING AFFORDABLE, FAIR RATE OF RETURN.

IF A PARK OWNER BELIEVES THEY AREN'T EARNING A FAIR RETURN, THEY CAN APPLY FOR AN ADDITIONAL RENT INCREASE.

BUT THAT MUST BE, BUT THAT MUST, BUT THEY MUST PROVE THAT WITH FINANCIAL DOCUMENTATION, AN IMPARTIAL RENT REVIEW BOARD OR HEARING OFFICER SHOULD REVIEW THOSE REQUESTS WITH THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE COURTS IF NEEDED.

IN SHORT SPACE, RENT STABILIZATION IS BALANCED, FAIR AND NECESSARY.

IT HELPS RESIDENTS REMAIN SECURE IN THEIR HOMES AND ENSURING PARK OWNERS A A ARE TREATED FAIRLY AS WELL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.

THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BRING PEACE OF MIND TO THOUSANDS OF MOBILE HOME RESIDENTS IN LAHABRA AND HELP PRESERVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT MAKES OUR COMMUNITY SO SPECIAL.

MY NAME IS MARYANNE MENDEL.

I ALSO LIVE IN FRIENDLY VILLAGE LAHABRA 1 0 0 1 WEST LAMBERT ROAD.

EXCUSE ME.

I HAVE BEEN A RESIDENT OF FRIENDLY VILLAGE LA HABRA FOR 20 YEARS.

I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU WHY A MOBILE HOME SPACE RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE IS NECESSARY NOT ONLY FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT WOULD BENEFIT ALL FOUR MOBILE HOME COMMUNITIES IN OUR CITY.

FRIENDLY VILLAGE IS A SENIOR COMMUNITY FOR RESIDENTS OVER 55 YEARS OLD, WE ARE MOST LIKELY RETIRED AND LIVE ON A FIXED INCOME.

IF WE ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO HAVE PURCHASED OUR MOBILE HOME AND HAVE NO MORTGAGE, OUR MONTHLY RENT AT A MOBILE HOME COMMUNITY, WE'LL BE CONSIDERABLY LOWER THAN ANY OTHER RENTAL SITUATION.

MOBILE HOMEOWNERS ARE IN A UNIQUE SITUATION.

WE PURCHASE OUR HOMES AND RENT THE LAND THAT IT SITS ON.

ALL LANDSCAPING AND HARDSCAPING OUTBUILDINGS, STORAGE SHEDS, IRRIGATION ARE 100% OUR RESPONSIBILITY.

IF WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE OUR HOMES TO A LESS EXPENSIVE COMMUNITY, WE WOULD FORFEIT ALL INVESTMENT IN EXTERIOR DECOR.

THAT INCLUDES AWNINGS, DRIVEWAYS, SIDEWALKS, AND FENCING.

ALL EXTERIOR ASPECTS OF OUR HOMES COME UNDER THE SCRUTINY AND REGULATIONS OF NOT ONLY THE COMMUNITY OWNERS, BUT HCD AS WELL.

THE DWELLINGS WE LIVE IN, DESPITE THEIR NAMES ARE NOT MOBILE.

MOVING A MOBILE HOME IS COSTLY AND NOT A VIABLE OPERATE OPTION.

WE MUST BUILD OUR BUDGETS AROUND FIXED INCOME AND RISING RENTS.

SACRIFICES MUST BE MADE IN ORDER TO STAY IN OUR HOMES.

THERE ARE 330 UNITS AT FRIENDLY VILLAGE.

THE SPENT RAISE SPACE RENT HAS GONE UP 50% IN 10 YEARS.

CURRENTLY WITH NO SPACE RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE IN PLACE.

SOME COMMUNITIES CAN RAISE OUR RENT EVERY 90 DAYS AND AS MUCH AS THEY CHOOSE, WE HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED OF A FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT RENT INCREASE EFFECTIVE JANUARY, 2026.

THIS IS A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT ABOVE THE CPI FOR THIS YEAR.

BEGINNING IN JANUARY, RENTS FOR NEW RESIDENTS MOVING IN WILL BE $1,654 PER MONTH.

WE ARE ASKING YOU TO PLEASE CONSIDER A SPACE RENT STABILIZATION ORDINANCE FOR LAHABRA, WHICH WILL ONLY APPLY TO MOBILE HOME SPACE RENT, WHERE MANY OF THE OCCUPANTS ARE LOW INCOME AND STRUGGLING TO SURVIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

10 OF HACIENDA HEIGHTS, AND THOUGH I DON'T LIVE HERE, I CAME HERE TO, UH, SEE WHAT GOES ON IN THESE MEETINGS PERSONALLY.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK DURING THIS PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION? YES, YOUR HONOR.

PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

HELLO, MY NAME IS NU LEE.

I'M A BOY SCOUT FROM HACIENDA HEIGHTS, TROOPS SEVEN 10.

SO, UM, I DON'T REALLY KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE ISSUES THE CITY IS CURRENTLY, UH, ADDRESSING, BUT I CAME HERE TO SEE, TO SEE WHAT'S HAPPENS DURING THESE MEETINGS.

AND, UH, COULD YOU SPEAK CLOSER TO THE MIC, MICROPHONE OR LIFT IT UP? UH, SO, UH, THANK YOU.

I'M A BOY SCOUT FROM TRIP SEVEN

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SO EVEN THOUGH I, UH, AM NOT VERY WELL, I DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS ISSUE, BUT ABOUT, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11, I'M, UH, I'M JUST WONDERING HOW YOU'RE GONNA DO THE APPROVE AWARD OF CONTRACT TO LESLIE GUNNER CAMBELL CONSTRUCTION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE ANNUAL SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS PROJECT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

THAT'S, SO, I'M JUST INTERESTED TO SEE HOW THAT'S ADDRESSED.

THAT'S IT.

THANKS.

WHAT ITEM IS THAT? YOU GOT IT? WHERE DO I PUT THIS? UM, YOU CAN GIVE IT OVER THERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON ITEM 11.

YOU CAN WISH TO PULL IT? NO.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE? WE

[ CONSENT CALENDAR: Senate Bill 1439 ("SB 1439") amended Government Code Section 84308 to expand the regulation of campaign contributions in excess of $250 from donors involved in certain matters before the legislative body. If the donor has a matter pending before the agency, and the official received a campaign contribution from the donor in excess of $250 in the prior 12 months, the official must publicly disclose the contribution and cannot in any way participate in the decision of the matter. The donor also has a duty to disclose the contribution on the record. In the 12 months following the decision, a local official cannot receive campaign contributions in excess of $250 from a donor with an economic interest in the governmental decision. Public officials are encouraged to closely track all campaign contributions which collectively exceed $250 in any 12-month period from any single source. All matters on Consent Calendar are considered to be routine and will be enacted by one motion unless a Councilmember, City staff member, or member of the audience requests separate action or removal of an item. Removed items will be considered following the Consent Calendar portion of this agenda. Public comment shall be limited to three (3) minutes per individual, with a total time limit of 30 minutes per item that has been removed for separate discussion, unless otherwise modified by the Mayor. Speaking time may not be granted and/or loaned to another individual for purposes of extending available speaking time, and comments must be kept brief, non-repetitive, and professional in nature. ]

WILL GO TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

UH, YES.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER, CITY STAFF MEMBER OR MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE REQUESTS SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED.

ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.

PUBLIC COMMENT SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE MAYOR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

THE CONSENT CALENDAR INCLUDES CITY COUNCIL ITEMS ONE THROUGH 19.

UH, IS THERE ANY ITEM THE STAFF WOULD WISH REMOVED? NO.

MADAM MAYOR, IS THERE ANY ITEM THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD WISH REMOVED? YES, MADAM MAYOR, ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, PLEASE.

IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT I WILL ABSTAIN AN ITEM EIGHT.

I'M SORRY.

IS THERE ANY ITEM THAT THE AUDIENCE WOULD WISH REMOVED? HI, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE, I'M SORRY, ITEM.

I'M SORRY.

UM, I'D LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM NUMBER 3, 5, 8 AND 11 PLEASE.

AND MORE DETAILS AND SIMPLER SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND.

THREE, FIVE AND EIGHT.

UHHUH AND 11.

ALRIGHT, THEN I WILL CALL.

IS THERE ANY OTHER ITEM THAT THE AUDIENCE WILL WISH REMOVED? WE ALREADY VOICED OUR OPINION.

MAYOR, MAY I ASK THAT WE TAKE ITEMS THREE, FIVE, AND 11 BEFORE ITEM EIGHT AND THEN I'LL LEAVE AFTER THAT? THAT SOUNDS GOOD.

, MAY I, UM, MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 3, 5, 8, AND 11.

I'LL SECOND THE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE.

MADAM

[ CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION:]

LET HAVE ITEM THREE AND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ CARRIED FOUR ZERO.

ALSO NOTING COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ'S RECUSAL FROM NUMBER EIGHT? YES.

ALRIGHT, WE COULD HAVE A REPORT ON ITEM THREE.

THANK YOU MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS THE ADOPTION OF THE BUILDING CODE THAT WAS INTRODUCED AT THE ME AT OUR LAST MEETING.

SO IT IS JUST, UM, ADOPTING AT THE CITY LEVEL, THE CODE THAT IS ADOPTED AT THE STATE LEVEL.

SO BRINGING THAT INTO OUR CITY CODE.

I CAN EXPAND ON THAT, BUT I KNOW WE DID A FULL REPORT AT OUR LAST MEETING.

THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THAT ORDINANCE TONIGHT.

SECOND READING.

I UNDERSTAND IT'S A SECOND READING.

THERE WAS A IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS BY THE COUNCIL? NO, I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

NO.

IS, ARE WE GONNA TAKE THESE SEPARATELY AND MAKE A MOTION ON THESE OR ACTUALLY I THINK WE NEED TO OPEN EACH FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

MM-HMM .

SO I WILL OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF THERE'S ANYONE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE COME FORWARD.

B NONE.

I WILL CLOSE THAT PUBLIC CLEARING AND ASK FOR ACTION.

MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER THREE.

SECOND.

DID THE, I'M SORRY.

WAS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER IAN DE CAN ABBOT? I'LL SECOND.

THANK YOU SIR.

WITH THE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE.

MOTION CARRIED FORWARD.

ZERO.

AND NOW WE HAVE ITEM FIVE.

THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

ITEM NUMBER FIVE IS

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THIS ONE IS FOR SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS.

BASICALLY IT'S TAKING THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN PLACE AND CODIFYING THEM IN OUR MUNICIPAL CODE.

UH, IS THERE ANY, UH, QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? NO MA'AM.

MAYOR, THEN I WILL CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING AND I WILL ASK, UH, DID YOU CALL FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS? MAYOR, I'M GOING TO INVITE THE PUBLIC TO TESTIFY TO PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH THEIR NAME AND THEIR NUMBERS SHOULD THEY WISH TO.

SEEING NONE.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR, I'D MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM NUMBER FIVE.

IS THERE A SECOND? AND I'LL SECOND THE, I'M SORRY.

SECOND MOTION CARRIED.

FOUR ZERO.

WE'LL NOW PROCEED TO ITEM 11.

UM, YES.

SO, UH, MADAM MAYOR, ITEM NUMBER 11 IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR ANNUAL SIDEWALK MAINTENANCE PROGRAM.

UM, IT'S AWARD A CONTRACT TO LESLIE GUNNER CAMPBELL CONSTRUCTION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE ANNUAL SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT.

THIS IS A PROJECT THAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR THIS, UH, FOR LAST FISCAL YEAR.

AND WE'RE GETTING AROUND TO, UH, CONSTRUCTING THE PROJECT THIS NEXT YEAR.

UM, THE AMOUNT, UM, BEING AWARDED WOULD BE $135,550.

THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.

I WILL ASK THE COUNSEL IF THEY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

NO MA'AM.

NO, MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PUBLIC.

PUBLIC.

YOU HAVE TO INVITE PUBLIC.

I'M PUBLIC.

I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE PUBLIC SHOULD THEY WISH TO TESTIFY TO PLEASE, UH, COME UP AND GIVE US THEIR NAME AND THEIR ADDRESS.

FEE NONE.

MAY I HAVE A MOTION? MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, THE AWARD OF CONTRACT TO LESLIE GUNNER CAMPBELL CONSTRUCTION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE ANNUAL SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENT PROJECT FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 25 AND CITY PROJECT NUMBER ONE R 25.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THANK YOU WITH THE COUNCIL, PLEASE VOTE.

AND NOW COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ WILL RECUSE HIMSELF.

MOTION CARRIED.

FOUR ZERO.

THE MILESTONES IN BOWMAN'S SCHEDULE, THE WEST WITCH HILLS PROJECT AND EIR IS ANTICIPATED TO BE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN MARCH OF 20 22 7.

YOU'LL NOW PROCEED TO ITEM EIGHT.

GOOD EVENING MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

SUSAN KIM, COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR LENNAR HOMES OF CALIFORNIA, HAS REQUESTED TO ENTER INTO A PROJECT PROCESSING AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT TO ALLOW NAR TO PAY FOR THE CITY TO AUGMENT IT STAFF IN ORDER TO SHORTEN INTERNAL PROCESSING TIMEFRAMES FOR THE WESTRIDGE HILLS PROJECT.

AS I WILL FURTHER DESCRIBE IN THIS REPORT, THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT WOULD CONTINUE TO ALLOW FULL PUBLIC REVIEW OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND WOULD NOT REDUCE ANY OF THE ASSOCIATED STATUTORY PUBLIC REVIEW TIMEFRAMES, INCLUDING THE RELEASE OF THE DRAFT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT REPORT OR EIR FOR A 45 DAY PUBLIC REVIEW PERIOD, PUBLIC NOTICING PUBLIC HEARINGS AND APPEAL PERIODS, THE WESTRIDGE HILLS PROJECT WOULD REPLACE THE EXISTING WEST WESTRIDGE HILLS GOLF COURSE WITH 534 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS CONSISTING OF 142 DUPLEXES AND 110 AFFORDABLE SENIOR APARTMENT UNITS FOR LOWER INCOME SENIORS AND 282 SINGLE UNIT DWELLINGS OR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, A CENTRAL LOCATED PRIVATE COMMUNITY CENTER FOR USE BY THE DEVELOPMENTS, RESIDENTS AND A HABITAT ENHANCEMENT AND CONSERVATION AREAS AND O OTHER OPEN SPACE AREAS.

THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS LOCATED ON THE SAME SITE AS THE PRIOR RANCHO LA HABRA PROJECT, WHICH WAS DENIED BY THE LA HABRA CITY COUNCIL ON NOVEMBER 2ND, 2020.

IN JANUARY, 2023, LENNAR SUBMITTED A PRELIMINARY APPLICATION FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT, WHICH FOLLOWING LENNAR'S SUBMISSION OF ADDITIONAL APPLICATION MATERIALS AND MULTIPLE REVIEWS WAS DEEMED COMPLETE IN JANUARY OF 2024.

IN APRIL, 2024, FOLLOWING A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, THE CITY COUNCIL SELECTED BOWMAN CONSULTING TO PREPARE AN EIR TO STUDY THE POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

BROMAN BOWMAN PROPOSED TO PREPARE AN EIR OVER AN 18 MONTH PERIOD FOR A NOT TO EXCEED COST OF JUST UNDER $220,000.

PURSUANT TO THE CITY'S MASTER SCHEDULE OF FEES, LENNAR IS REQUIRED TO PAY THE ASSOCIATED CONSULTANT COSTS TO PREPARE THE EIR PLUS 25% TO COVER STAFF MANAGEMENT OF THE CONSULTANT.

IN JUNE, 2024, STAFF RECEIVED A CHECK FROM LENAR TO COVER THESE COSTS AND KICKED OFF THE PREPARATION OF OF THE EIR IN JULY DUE TO DELAYS BY LENNAR PROVIDING THE NECESSARY TECHNICAL INFORMATION REQUIRED FOR THE PREPARATION OF THE EIR EXPANDED PRO.

PROJECT DESCRIPTION FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT WASN'T FINALIZED UNTIL AUGUST OF 20 25, 11 MONTHS LATER THAN ASSUMED BY BOWMAN'S 18 MONTHS SCHEDULE DUE TO THIS DELAY.

A, ACCORDING TO

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LENNAR WOULD LIKE TO SPEED UP THIS SCHEDULE, HOWEVER, STAFF DOES NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES OR FEAST STRUCTURE TO ACCOMMODATE THIS REQUEST.

THEREFORE, THE PROPOSED PROJECT PROCESSING AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO HIRE ADDITIONAL CONTRACT STAFF TO ASSIST CITY STAFF IN EXPEDITING THE PROJECT, AS WELL AS COVER THE COST FOR BOWMAN TO EXPEDITE ITS PROPOSED SCHEDULE.

LENNAR WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DIRECT COST OF THESE CONSULTANTS, PLUS 25% TO COVER THE COST OF THE MAN OF THEIR MANAGEMENT.

THE PROPOSED AGREEMENT REQUIRES LENNAR TO MAINTAIN A DEPOSIT WITH THE CITY OF AT LEAST $40,000 TO COVER THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONSULTANTS SELECTED TO EXPEDITE THE PROJECT.

IF LENNAR FAILS TO MAKE TIMELY DEPOSITS REQUIRED BY THE AGREEMENT, THE CITY MAY IMMEDIATELY TERMINATE THE EXPEDITED PROCESSING.

LENNAR HAS PROPOSED A SCHEDULE THAT WILL RESULT IN STAFF PRESENTING THE PROJECT AND THE AR TO PLANNING COMMISSION IN APRIL, 2026.

HOWEVER, AT THIS TIME, STAFF BELIEVES THAT PROPOSED SCHEDULE IS UNREALISTIC IF YOU APPROVE THE THE AGREEMENT BEFORE YOU TONIGHT, STAFF WILL WORK WITH THE CITY'S ON-CALL CONSULTANTS AND NAR TO IDENTIFY AN EXPEDITED SCHEDULE THAT CAN BE REASONABLY ACHIEVED IN THE EVENT THAT LENNAR DOES NOT CONCUR WITH THE SELECTION OF CONSULTANTS OR PROPOSED TIMEFRAME, LENNAR MAY TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT AT ANY TIME BY NOTIFYING THE CITY IN WRITING.

IN THE EVENT OF SUCH TERMINATION, THE CITY WILL TERMINATE ANY EFFORTS TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESSING OF THE PROPOSED PROJECT AND ANY PROCESSING CONSIDERATION FOR THE PROJECT WILL OCCUR WITH WITHIN THE CITY'S STANDARD PROCESSING TIMELINES.

AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? THERE ARE, YES, MADAM MAYOR.

UH, IS, IS THIS PROCESS CONSISTENT WITH PAST PRACTICE OF ANYONE WHO HAS REQUESTED TO EXPEDITE A PROJECT IN THE CITY OF LA HABRA SUCH AS THIS? IN MY TERM THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, WHICH IS ABOUT FOUR YEARS, WE HAVEN'T HAD TO EXPEDITE ANY PROCESS, ANY PROJECTS THIS WAY.

UH, ONE OF THE ISSUES WITH THIS PROJECT IS IT IS JUST A VESTING, TENTATIVE TRACK MAP, WHICH TYPICALLY THIS TYPE OF PROJECT WOULD BE MANY OTHER ENTITLEMENTS SUCH AS A GENERAL PLAN AMENDMENT, A SPECIFIC PLAN AMENDMENT, A ZONE CHANGE.

HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE STATE LAW THAT THEY'RE BRINGING THIS PROJECT UNDER THOSE, UM, THEY'RE CHOOSING NOT TO PROCESS THOSE ADDITIONAL ENTITLEMENTS.

AND SO BECAUSE OF THAT, THE COST TO PROCESS A MAP IS ONLY $7,000.

SO WE HAVE THAT PLUS A TWO $20,000 FOR THE EIR.

SO IT'S A REALLY LIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE HAVE TO SPEND ON THIS PROJECT.

SO IN ORDER TO BRING ON ADDITIONAL STAFF TO ASSIST US WITH THAT, THAT IS WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT.

THE PRIOR RANCHO THE HA ROAD PROJECT ALSO HAD A REIMBURSEMENT, UM, AGREEMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PROJECT.

AND UM, SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IN YOUR TIME, IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, IT JUST SO HAPPENS WE HAVEN'T HAD A A, A LARGE PROJECT LIKE THIS FOR SOMEONE TO MAKE THAT TYPE OF REQUEST IS, THAT IS CORRECT.

WHICH WOULD MAKE IT UNCOMMON, I GUESS I WOULD THAT IS CORRECT.

AS WELL AS OUR MASTER SCHEDULE OF FEES JUST DOES NOT ADDRESS EXPEDITING THIS TYPE OF PROJECT.

GOTCHA.

AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION IS, UM, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE BE, IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IN GENERAL WOULD BE AFFORDED TO ANYONE WHO WOULD MAKE A REQUEST LIKE THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS PROCESS? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE TO ANY PERSON WHO WOULD WANT TO TAKE ON A PROJECT LIKE THIS SIMILAR TO THIS AGREEMENT? A A SIMILAR AGREEMENT WOULD BE BROUGHT BEFORE YOU IF REQUESTED.

ALRIGHT, I'M JUST, YEAH, I MEAN WHAT DELL JUST ASKED WAS KIND OF THE THING I WAS GONNA ASK.

IF SOMEBODY ELSE WITH A LARGE SCALE DEVELOPMENTAL APPLICATION ASKED TO EXPEDITE, UH, IT'S DISCRETIONARY FOR YOU TO SAY YES OR NO OR I GUESS THE COUNCIL TO SAY YES OR NO, BUT THEY, THEY COULD ASK AND TYPICALLY IT MAY VERY WELL BE ALLOWED IF THEY'RE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

THEY WOULD NEED TO ENTER INTO THE AGREEMENT, WHICH STATES WHAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO, WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO IN ORDER TO BRING THE PROJECT FORWARD.

UM, AND AS I NOTED THIS WOULD BE USING THE CITY'S ON-CALL CONSULTANTS.

SO THERE ARE CITY CONSULTANTS THAT YOU, THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED AGREEMENTS WITH FOR THE CITY STAFF TO USE TO, UM, FURTHER EXPAND OUR STAFF RIGHT.

STAFFING HERE ON LARGER PROJECTS.

ALL RIGHT.

I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS WITH THIS TOO.

UM, IF WE WERE TO SAY NO, UH, WOULD THERE BE A DOWNSIDE OR A NEGATIVE IMPACT FOR THE CITY OF LA HARBOR AND YOUR DEPARTMENT? IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE DIDN'T EXPEDITE, IF WE SAID NO, WE'RE NOT GONNA ENTER INTO THIS THE LENNAR AGREEMENT, SO TO SPEAK AND YOU'RE JUST, WE'RE GONNA DO IT.

AS STAFF CAN, CAN, YOU KNOW.

WELL, WELL, STAFF AS I MENTIONED, IS A LITTLE BIT SHORT STAFFED ON THIS AND THE, UM, PROCESSING FEES THAT WE ARE REQUIRING FOR THE PROJECT IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR SCHEDULE DOESN'T QUITE COVER HOW MUCH TIME IT'LL ACTUALLY TAKE STAFF TO PROCESS THE PROJECT.

SO THERE IS THAT LITTLE CHANGE THERE.

BUT, UM, IF THE AGREEMENT IS NOT APPROVED, WE AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT, WE WOULD JUST CONTINUE PROCESSING THE PROJECT ACCORDING TO, UM,

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OUR SCHEDULE.

WOULD THAT SLOW DOWN OTHER FOLKS APPLYING FOR CS AND PLAN CHECKS AND ALL THE STUFF YOUR DEPARTMENT DOES? WE WOULD NEED TO BALANCE ALL OF THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE PROCESSING.

UH, WE DO HAVE SOME STATE MANDATED TIMEFRAMES THAT WE NEED TO FOLLOW AS FAR AS THE APPROVAL PROJECTS AND WE WOULD NEED TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO, UM, FOLLOW THOSE.

BUT IT WOULD, OVERALL IT WOULD PUT A BURDEN ON THE STAFF.

UH, AND AGAIN, THIS ITEM WE'RE DISCUSSING TONIGHT DOESN'T SIGNAL OR SUGGEST OR IMPLY ANYTHING FROM THE CITY OR BY THE CITY WITH REGARD TO THE MERITS OF THIS APPLICATION.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YES.

AND A FULL PUBLIC REVIEW WOULDN'T BE IMPACTED OR COMPROMISED IN ANY WAY WITH THIS AGREEMENT, WERE IT ACCEPTED? CORRECT.

DOES IT GIVE THE DEVELOPER, IN YOUR OPINION, ANY KIND OF EDGE OR LEVERAGE OR ANY POWER? I MEAN, ONE OF OUR GREAT SPEAKERS SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT GIVES THEM SOMETHING THEY DON'T HAVE NOW.

IS THERE ANY TRUTH TO THAT? I'M TRYING TO THINK OF A GOOD WAY TO PUT THIS, UM, TO RESPOND TO THAT QUESTION BECAUSE SOMEWHAT OPINION AND THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I'M NOT PRIVY TO AS FAR AS WHAT'S GOING THROUGH THE DEVELOPERS' MIND IN MAKING THIS CHOICE.

SO I THINK THAT'S A BETTER QUESTION FOR THE DEVELOPER RATHER THAN FOR CITY STAFF.

MAYBE I, CAN I ASK THE QUESTION THIS WAY? DOES THE DEVELOPER HAVE THE RIGHT TO PICK ANY OF THE CONSULTANTS YOU WOULD USE? NO.

YOU WOULD CONTROL THAT.

WHO, WHO GETS TO WORK ON THE PROJECT? WE WOULD PICK THE CONSULTANTS.

WE, THE LENNAR HAS A 10 DAY PERIOD TO, UM, REQUEST FOR US NOT TO USE THAT CONSULTANT.

IF THEY CAN FIND A CONFLICT OF INTEREST OR SOME OTHER REASON WHY THEY DON'T FIND THAT THAT CONSULTANT ACCEPTABLE.

BUT IT WOULD COME FROM THE CITY'S ON-CALL CONSULTANTS.

AND IF WE COULD NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE DEVELOPER ON WHO WE WANT TO USE FOR THIS PROCESS, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN? I THINK THAT WOULD BE A REASON TO TERMINATE THE AGREEMENT IF WE JUST CAN'T COME TO AGREEMENT ON WHO WE'RE GONNA USE.

JUST TO CONFIRM THIS ON-CALL LIST OF CONSULTANTS, THE CITY HAS USED THEM IN THE PAST, CORRECT? YES.

AND THEY WERE APPROVED THROUGH AGREEMENTS APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

SO THIS ISN'T JUST SOME RANDOM CHERRY PICKING, JUST RANDOM CONSULTING FIRM THAT WE'RE JUST PICKING OUT OF A HAT, THEN THIS IS, UH, WE'VE HAD PRIOR, PRIOR RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM ON OTHER PROJECTS.

CORRECT? WE HAVE SELECTED THEM TO SERVE AS ON-CALL CONSULTANTS.

SOME HAVE DONE WORK FOR US AND SOME HAVE NOT DONE WORK FOR US YET.

JUST TO, TO, TO FINISH UP, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR, MY INTEREST IS ALWAYS, OF COURSE TO DO WHAT BENEFITS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AND WHAT WORKS FOR THE CITY AND THE INTERESTS OF RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY.

SO, UH, IF YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT THIS WOULD, IT WOULD BE MORE BENEFICIAL AND, AND MORE EFFICIENT IN THE WAY THAT YOU HANDLE THE PUBLIC BUSINESS BY HAVING BAUMAN DO THIS KIND OF THING.

THAT'S, THAT'S A VERY PERTINENT THING.

RIGHT? AND, AND AGAIN, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT NOBODY MISCONSTRUES THIS AND THINKS THAT THIS SAYS ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT, ULTIMATELY WHAT JUDGMENT IS GONNA BE MADE ON THIS APPLICATION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IF IT, WHATEVER THAT DECISION IS, IF IT IS APPEALED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH IT, RIGHT? IS THAT ALL CORRECT? I WOULD STATE THAT STAFFS IS BENEFIT NEUTRAL ON THIS, THAT THERE ARE DEFINITELY PLUSES AND MINUSES TO CHOOSING TO ENTER THIS AGREEMENT, THE AGREEMENT'S BEFORE YOU BECAUSE THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED IT.

WHAT ARE THE MINUSES? UM, IT IS A VERY FAST PROCESS.

I, I, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE A DOWNSIDE, BUT I REALLY HADN'T CONSIDERED THAT.

YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT TOO FAST IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION? WE DON'T HAVE A SCHEDULE YET.

IF YOU CHOOSE TO ENTER INTO THIS AGREEMENT, WE'LL REACH OUT TO OUR ON-CALL CONSULTANTS AND WORK WITH THEM TO DETERMINE WHAT THE EXPEDITED SCHEDULE WOULD BE.

THE APPLICANT FOR INSTANCE, HAS ASKED OUR ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANT TO WORK, UM, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND HOLIDAYS ON THE PROJECT.

THAT MAY NOT BE ACCEPTABLE TO THEM.

SO THEY MAY NOT BE WILLING TO WORK THOSE HOURS.

SO THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE SOME TYPE OF COMPROMISE THERE.

WELL, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION, SUSAN.

WHO CONTROLS THE SCHEDULE AT THE END OF THE DAY? CITY STAFF.

CITY STAFF.

SO YOU DETERMINE HOW FAST THIS PROJECT WILL GO AND WHAT'S A REASONABLE TIMEFRAME? CORRECT.

WHETHER THE DEVELOPER LIKES THAT OR NOT? CORRECT.

CORRECT.

IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL STATE REQ LAW REQUIREMENTS.

SO WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE SCHEDULE WILL PROCEED AT THE PACE THAT YOU FEEL IS ACCEPTABLE FOR THIS PROJECT? YES.

AND I WOULD, WITH THAT COMMENT, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE HOUSING ACCOUNTABILITY ACT, THAT THIS PROCESS WAS, THAT THIS PROJECT IS BEING PROCESSED UNDER, DOES HAVE CERTAIN, UM, PENALTIES IF THE CITY ON PURPOSE SLOWS DOWN THE PROJECT AS WELL.

BUT THIS IS JUST THE APPLICANT ASKING TO EXPEDITE THE PROCESS, NOT CLAIMING THAT WE ARE SLOWING IT DOWN.

YOU HAD A LITTLE MORE TIME, LET'S JUST SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE CONTINUED THIS AND YOU DID MORE INFORMATION GATHERING, DO YOU THINK YOU MIGHT GET A BETTER HANDLE ON WHETHER THE NEGATIVES YOU MENTIONED MIGHT BE MORE SIGNIFICANT? NO, I DON'T THINK CONTINUING THE ITEM WOULD CHANGE MY VIEW OF THE PROJECT.

I KIND OF GET THE FEELING THAT THERE MIGHT BE MORE INFORMATION FORTHCOMING THAT COULD BETTER, UH, ILLUMINATE WHETHER THIS PROCESS IS BEING TRUNCATED IN SUCH A WAY THAT THERE'S A NEGATIVE COMPONENT TO IT OR IT'S GONNA BE PERFECTLY FINE.

WOULD IT, DO YOU THINK THERE'S A CHANCE THAT IF

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UH, MY ONLY CONCERN WAS, IS IT GOING TO SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS FOR ALL THE OTHER PERMITS AND CS AND, UH, YOU KNOW, PLANNING CHECKS THAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE, UH, ARE GONNA SUBMIT RNQ? UH, THAT, THAT'S MY WORRY IS, IS THIS GOING TO, IF WE DO NOT, IS THIS GOING TO SLOW THIS DOWN FOR THEM? BECAUSE I KNOW I HAVE RESIDENT MEMBERS THAT HAVE SAID THAT THEY'RE SUBMITTED A REMODELING AND THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT GOES SMOOTHLY.

AND, AND I, I KNOW I'VE, I'VE SENT IT ON TO YOU ALL, UH, JUST SO THEY COULD BE AWARE.

AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.

IS THAT GONNA SLOW DOWN? WILL STAFF, WILL THERE BE ENOUGH STAFF TO, TO CONTINUE THE FLOW OF THAT? AND THAT I WOULD SAY IS THE BENEFIT OF THIS AGREEMENT IS IT DOES BRING ON ADDITIONAL STAFF TO ASSIST WITH THE PROCESS SO THAT THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROCESSED CONCURRENTLY, UM, ARE NOT NECESSARILY IMPACTED IN THE WAY THAT THEY WOULD BE IMPACTED IF STAFF WAS HAVING TO PROCESS THIS ENTIRE PROJECT IN ADDITION TO OUR REGULAR LIST OF PROJECTS.

BUT THAT'S, THAT IS SOMEWHAT OF A BALANCE THAT OUR DEPARTMENT ALWAYS HAS TO WORK WITH BECAUSE THE, UM, CONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT CYCLE ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S CONSTANT.

AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS HAVING TO WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT RESOURCES FOR, UM, THE WORK THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

AND I SHOULD NOTE THAT IF COUNCIL APPROVES THIS AGREEMENT, IT'S STILL GONNA REQUIRE CONSIDERABLE STAFF OVERSIGHT OVER THE WORK PRODUCT OF THE CONSULTANTS.

SO IT DOESN'T, IT IS NOT LIKE THE CONSULTANTS ARE LET LOOSE TO WORK ON THEIR OWN.

THERE'S STILL GONNA BE A LOT OF DAY-TO-DAY MANAGEMENT OF THAT PROCESS.

IT'S JUST GONNA ALLEVIATE A LITTLE BIT OF THE STAFF BURDEN ON WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SOLELY WITHOUT CONSULTANT SUPPORT VERSUS BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL HELP.

THAT'S, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE.

ALRIGHT, ANY MORE QUESTIONS? NO, MADAM MAYOR.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SUE.

I WILL NOW OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND I'D ASK THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK, UM, IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO PLEASE COME UP AND PROVIDE US WITH THEIR NAME AND THEIR NUMBER.

HI, MY NAME IS JIM LEE.

AS I SPOKE EARLIER, I, I THINK OUR OBJECTIONS, THE THREE, UH, SPEAKERS THAT SPOKE EARLY STAND, BUT I THINK BASED UPON THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENTS, UH, UH, EXPLANATION, I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANT TO EMPHASIZE.

ONE IS THE SHORTNESS IS BASICALLY DUE TO THE DEVELOPER HIMSELF BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET THE EXPANDED PROJECT DESCRIPTION IN ON TIME.

SO THEY'RE ASKING YOU BASICALLY TO FIX THEIR PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T GET IT DONE IN TIME.

AND SO THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO ACCELERATE EVERYTHING TO MAKE UP FOR THAT PERIOD OF TIME.

I THINK IT'S ALSO APPEARS THAT THE, THE TAIL'S WAGGING THE DOG.

YOU ALL DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW LONG IT'S GONNA TAKE.

YOU WANNA PROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING, YOU KNOW, IT'S UNREALISTIC.

YOUR STAFF TOLD YOU IT'S UNREALISTIC, THE TIMELINE, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE WILL BE BE AND TO PROVE SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWING THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL.

I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IMPORTANT.

UH, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO SAY WAS, UM, WELL I THINK THE, THE LAST THING WAS THAT IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE DECIDE WE SHOULD NOT, WE SHOULD NOT MOVE IT AHEAD.

BECAUSE WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU SAY THAT THEY DON'T PICK IT IS THE STAFF THAT PICKS THE, THE, UH, UM, THE CONTRACTORS.

BUT REALITY IS THEY CAN SAY NAY TO ANY OF THE CONTRACTORS.

SO THEY ESSENTIALLY DO PICK THE CONTRACTORS BECAUSE THEY CAN TELL YOU THE ONES THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE.

SO I THINK THAT, AND AS WELL AS THESE OTHER ISSUES ARE VERY IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY THE FACT THAT YOU'RE NOT REALLY READY TO ACCELERATE IT.

YOU DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO DO IT.

THANK YOU AGAIN.

CHRISTINE COOK.

I, YEAH, I AGREE WITH JIM AGAIN.

LENNAR HASN'T PLAYED, UM, FAIR.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HONEST WITH THE CITY.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN HONEST WITH THE RESIDENTS.

THEY HAVE SHOWN THEIR TRUE COLORS OVER AND OVER.

AND I JUST FEEL THIS IS A, A HARD PUSH BY THEM.

IT'S A WAY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO GO AFTER THE CITY IF THEY DON'T GET THEIR WAY.

AND I DON'T LIKE A BULLY.

AND, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO DO THE FAIR.

YOU, THE CITY HAS A LOT OF PROJECTS GOING ON.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THE CITY.

I SEE THEM ALL THE TIME.

I SEE BUILDING EVERYWHERE.

WE NEED TO GIVE EVERYONE THEIR DUE TIME.

AND NO ONE ELSE IS ASKING FOR AN 11 MONTH BUMP ON AN 18 MONTH PROCESS.

IT'S, IT'S JUST TOO MUCH.

MAYBE THEY, YOU CAN REVISE IT, GIVE THEM THREE LESS MONTHS, I DON'T KNOW.

BUT 11 MONTHS OUT OF 18 IS, IS RIDICULOUS.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

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GOOD EVENING.

UM, MICHELLE BARNIER, UH, ACTUALLY PLANNING COMMISSIONER THAT WAS ON THE PROJECT.

YOU GUYS ALL KNOW, UM, WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS IT LOOKS LIKE THE COST IS GONNA HIT THE CITY OF LA HARBOR AND THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

IT'S A TRILLION DOLLAR COMPANY WITH A MILLION DOLLAR, UM, PUSH FROM BLOOMBERG THAT THEY JUST GIVEN MORE MONEY.

SO IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR THIS COMPANY THAT DIDN'T WANNA ADD TO OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAST TIME, WHY WOULD WE DO THIS? PLUS THEY'RE SUING US FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

WHY WOULD WE GIVE THIS? AND I GET IT.

THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT IS, WHAT IF THEY SUE US AGAIN? WELL THEN THEY'LL LOSE.

WE CAN'T KEEP DOING THIS FOR THEM AND HELPING THEM OUT.

THIS IS GONNA FALL IN THE CITY AND WE COULDN'T EVEN PAY FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION A YEAR AGO FOR $150,000.

WHY WOULD WE ADD THIS TO OUR DEFICIT? IF THEY WANNA DO THIS, THEY WOULD NEED TO PAY IT ON THEIR OWN.

AND I JUST DON'T SEE WHY IT'S FEASIBLE TO EVEN GIVE THEM THIS.

HI MARYBELL LOPEZ.

UM, I DO REMEMBER READING IN THE, THE, UM, DOCUMENTS, SOMETHING ABOUT THIS WAS JUST GIVEN TO YOU GUYS AS A REQUEST ON OCTOBER 25TH.

THAT WAS AFTER YOUR LAST COUNCIL MEETING.

SO THERE HASN'T EVEN REALLY BEEN A CHANCE FOR YOU GUYS TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT, IT IS KIND OF A RUSH PROCESS.

AND ALSO TO REITERATE WHAT JIM WAS SAYING, I THINK IT IS CHERRY PICKING BECAUSE THEY GET TO ULTIMATELY DECIDE YES OR NO IF THEY DON'T LIKE THE CONSULTANTS THAT ARE CHOSEN, THEY CAN, WASN'T THERE SOMETHING LIKE A 10 DAY PROCESS OR 10 DAY DEADLINE? THEY COULD DECIDE, OH, WE DON'T WANT THAT CONSULTANT.

SO THEY ARE CHERRY PICKING.

SO THAT DOESN'T, UM, LOOK LIKE TRANSPARENCY TO ME.

HI, BILL SANDERS AGAIN.

I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND UM, WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS WHAT YOU BROUGHT UP MAYOR, IS WE ARE SEEM TO BE PLACATING A A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY IF, IF NOT A TRILLION DOLLAR COMPANY.

WHEN THE SMALL TIME CONTRACTORS ARE TRYING TO PUSH THEIR JOBS THROUGH THE CITY, THEY HAVE TO WAIT, WAIT, WAIT.

IT'S NOT JUST THIS CITY, IT'S ALL, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE IN CALIFORNIA.

SO I JUST DON'T GET, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS AS BEING FAIR TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

YOU'RE GONNA BE FAIR.

IT'S THE LITTLE PEOPLE OUT HERE GETTING THEIR BUTTS HANDED TO 'EM AND YOU GOT THE BIG GUY GOING, I WANT TO DRIVE THIS THING THROUGH FAST.

I WANNA FAST TRACK IT.

AND I, I STILL GOT A LAWSUIT OUT THERE, WHICH IS AMAZING IF THAT IS HAPPENING.

IT'S, IT'S AMAZING TO ME THAT WE'RE EVEN CONSIDERING THIS GROUP.

UM, 'CAUSE THEY WERE INTERESTING WHEN THEY LOST THE LAST GORA.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ANY OF YOUR FOLKS WERE HERE.

I THINK YOU WERE.

BUT ANYWAY, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE A BEHEMOTH ORGANIZATION DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN PUSH US AROUND.

SHOVE THIS THING DOWN OUR THROATS.

I'M SORRY THAT YOUR DEPARTMENT IS, I PAY A TON OF TAXES.

I'M SORRY HER DEPARTMENT DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO GET THE JOB DONE, BUT THAT'S HOW WE ALL LIVE.

AND SO THE LITTLE GUYS OUT HERE TRYING TO PUSH A A PERMIT NOT GETTING IT.

THE BIG GUY BOMBERS GETS IT DONE IN HALF THE TIME.

SO THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME OUT.

HI, MY NAME'S UH, ROBERT ROMAN.

UH, JUST A COUPLE THINGS, UM, WITH CONCERNS FOR THIS EXPEDITED PUSH.

FIRST THING, UM, YOU KNOW, IF THIS DOES SUCCEED DESPITE LOCAL RESISTANCE, IT COULD WEAKEN THE LOCAL ZONING AND OPEN SPACE PROTECTION, ENCOURAGE OTHER LARGE SCALE FAST TRACK DEVELOPMENTS.

UH, ANOTHER THING THAT WE'RE OVERLOOKING, UM, EXPEDITED REVIEW.

UH, IT ALL COULD ALSO IMPLICATE, UH, LESSER UH, SCRUTINY OF TRAFFIC INFRASTRUCTURE, ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS, NEIGHBORHOOD COMPATIBILITY.

ALSO, AGAIN, EMS 9 1 1, UM, EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE AREA.

AND THEN, UH, LASTLY, UH, WITH, YOU KNOW, TIME PRESSURE PUT ON THE CITY.

YOU KNOW, THINGS PEOPLE MAY FEEL COMPELLED TO, UH, CONCEDE OR ACCEPT MORE DEVELOP DEVELOPER FAVOR TERMS TO AVOID DELAY.

I WANNA SAY VERY BRIEFLY THAT I ALSO AM VERY APPRECIATIVE OF SAVE LA HABRA AND FOR THEIR TIME, ENERGY, AND PASSION IN COMING TO SPEAK TONIGHT AND IN SUBMITTING THE EMAILS.

ANYONE ELSE? OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I WILL NOT CLOSE THE PUBLIC SESSION PORTION HEARING OF IT.

AND I WILL ASK FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND OR ACTION.

UH, MADAM MAYOR, I JUST SIMPLY WANT TO THANK THE, UM, I BELIEVE I READ AND COUNTED 35 EMAILS FROM RESIDENTS MM-HMM .

UM, CONTRIBUTING TO THIS CONVERSATION.

I WANNA MAKE SURE I MADE A POINT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY DID SUBMIT EMAILS AND TO THANK THEM FOR THEIR INPUT.

ANY MOTION.

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AND MAY I HAVE A MOTION? VERY WELL.

I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.

I BELIEVE I HAVE IT HERE AS, UH, TO APPROVE A PROJECT.

I DON'T HAVE IT HERE, MAYOR.

PAGE 12, I'M SORRY, WHICH ONE IS IT? TO APPROVE THE PROJECT PROCESSING AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WITH LENNAR'S HOME OF CALIFORNIA LLC FOR THE EX EXPEDITED PROCESSES OF THE PROPOSED WESTRIDGE HILL PROJECT OF 1400 SOUTH LA HARBOR HILLS DRIVE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE A PROJECT PROCESSING AND REIMBURSEMENT AGREEMENT WITH LENAR HOME OF CALIFORNIA LLC FOR THE EXPEDITED PROCESS OF PROPOSED WEST RIDGE HILL PROJECT OF 14 SOUTH HARBOR HILLS DRIVE.

I WILL SECOND THE MOTION, UM, WITH THE COUNCIL.

MOTION FAILED BY A VOTE OF TWO NOS AND ONE YES.

CONSIDERATION ITEMS. THANK YOU MAYOR.

WE WILL NOW PROCEED.

THERE IS NO PUBLIC HEARINGS AT THIS TIME.

WE WILL NOW PROCEED TO

[1. STATUS UPDATE FOR THE PROPOSED IMMERSION THEATER EXPANSION PROJECT AT THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM That the City Council receive and file this status update for the proposed Immersion Theater expansion project at the Children's Museum and provide direction to staff regarding: A. Approval of the final site location for the proposed Immersion Theater building; B. Approval of a funding appropriation in an amount equal to half the cost, not to exceed $50,000 (whichever is lower), from available City Facility Improvement reserves, for site plans, architectural designs and building plans for the proposed new building; and, C. A City funding commitment for this project, in an amount not to exceed $400,000, that will be used to help construct the new proposed building, subject to City Council review of the final building plan and design at a future date, and subject to full private project funding for the project being secured prior to the City’s contribution being utilized.]

AND WE CAN CALL, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ BACK.

YEAH, AGAIN, GO AHEAD.

COUNCIL AT THAT TIME CONDITIONALLY APPROVED THE CONCEPT OF THE THEATER CONTINGENT ON STAFF COMPLETING THREE TASKS.

THANK YOU JIM.

ANY MEMBER OF THE AUDIENCE MAY REQUEST TO ADDRESS THE LAHABRA CITY COUNCIL ON ANY CONSIDERATION ITEM PRIOR TO THE LAHABRA CITY COUNCIL TAKING A FINAL VOTE ON THE ITEM.

PUBLIC COMMENT SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER CONSIDERATION ITEM, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE MAYOR OR CHAIR.

SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED AND OR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.

THE ONE AND ONLY CONSIDERATION ITEM IS TITLED STATUS UPDATE FOR THE PROPOSED IMMERSION THEATER EXPANSION PROJECT AT THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.

GOOD EVENING, MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT THIS ITEM TO YOU TONIGHT.

AS YOU'RE WELL AWARE, THE CITY OWNS AND OPERATES A CHILDREN'S MUSEUM AT LAHABRA AT, UM, AT LA PORT PARK, UH, WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF OUR FUNDRAISING ARM, THE 5 0 1 C3 RECOGNIZED NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, THE FRIENDS OF THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.

THE MUSEUM STANDS AT APPROXIMATELY 12,500 SQUARE FEET.

WE HAVE EIGHT GALLERIES, PLUS A 1923 CABOOSE EXHIBIT AND A DINOSAUR GARDEN.

WE SEE APPROXIMATELY 90,000 PEOPLE VISITORS EACH YEAR.

THIS MUSEUM STAFF PLANS PROGRAMMING AND TRIES TO KEEP OUR, OUR CONTENT AND OUR GALLERIES FRESH, EXCITING AND CONTEMPORARY.

JUST SO OUR VISITORS HAVE AN EXCITING TIME AND CONTINUE TO VISIT AGAIN AND AGAIN.

ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS OF THE FRIENDS OF THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM BROUGHT US AN IDEA THAT WAS, UM, A NEW IDEA FOR A GALLERY BACK IN 2016.

IT IS THE IMMERSION THEATER THAT WILL, THAT OFFERS, UM, UH, EXHIBITS BASED ON HIGH DEFINITION PROJECTION TECHNOLOGY THAT CREATES A STUNNING AUDIO VISUAL EXPERIENCE THAT THE VIEWER FROM FLORIDA TO CEILING CONTENT.

IT'S BASED ON A THEATER THAT MR. ROBERTS VISITED IN A QUARRY IN OUTDOOR QUARRY IN FRANCE.

IN 2016, THE CITY LISTENED TO THE PROPOSAL FOR THE NEW IMMERSION THEATER AND ASKED THE FRIENDS TO, TO REVISIT A PLAN THAT JOINTLY WAS AGREED UPON IN 2001 THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE OTHER DEFICIENCIES IN THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, INCLUDING THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF WINDOWS, HVAC, ROOF, UM, SEISMIC STABILITY ASSESSMENTS AND SO FORTH.

THE SUBMIT THE CITY COMMISSIONED A STUDY TO ADDRESS THESE ISSUES AND WE PRESENTED IT TO THE FRIENDS IN 2019.

A PROPOSAL FOR THE IMMERSION THEATER WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 2019 FOR APPROVAL OF THE PLAN, AS WELL AS A COMMITMENT TO FUND $400,000 TOWARDS THE BUILDING OF THE NEW IMMERSION THEATER.

THE

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ONE, SECURING NON-GENERAL FUND $400,000 TO SATISFY THE REQUEST OF THE FRIENDS.

TWO, WORKING WITH THE FRIENDS TO DEVELOP ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS THAT COMPLIMENTS THE MUSEUM AND IS PRESENTED TO THE, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION AS WELL AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.

AND THREE, DETERMINING A SUITABLE SITE THAT DOES NOT INTERFERE TOO MUCH IN THE, UM, OTHER ASPECTS AND AMENITIES OF PORTOLA PARK.

SINCE PRESENTING THE PROPOSAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL BACK IN 2019, CITY STAFF HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH MR. ROBERTS AND THE FRIENDS TO COMPLETE THOSE THREE TASKS.

THE FRIENDS HAVE FOUND FUNDRAISING VERY DIFFICULT WHEN THEY'RE FUNDRAISING FOR A CITY BUILDING, BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO SECURE A GRANT FROM LOWE'S BUILDING SUPPLY THAT ADDRESSED ONE OF THE LARGER A DA COMPLIANCE ISSUES.

AND AS YOU PROBABLY RECALL, WE WERE ABLE TO REPLACE, SO THE STAIRS THAT WENT INTO OUR TRAIN ROOM WITH A SWITCHBACK THAT IS NOW SUITABLE FOR BOTH WHEELCHAIRS AND STROLLERS.

IN ADDITION, THE CITY WAS ABLE TO WORK WITH OUR SUPERVISOR, THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR, DOUG CHAFFEE, FOR ASSISTANCE IN HELPING US PAY FOR OUR NEW ROOF AND NEW HVAC SYSTEM.

BUT MOST OF THE REST OF THE ISSUES STILL REMAIN TO FIND A SUITABLE SITE.

THE, THE SCOPE OF THE THEATER HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 5,000 SQUARE FEET TO 3000 SQUARE FEET TO FIT WITHIN STAFF.

BELIEVE IS THE BEST LOCATION POSSIBLE AT THE SITE RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR ATTACHMENT TWO IN YOUR REPORT, THE SITE IS LOCATED TO THE SOUTH OF THE MUSEUM BEHIND THE DEPOT THEATER WITH DIRECT ACCESS TO THE PARKING LOT.

OF COURSE, THE SITE IS NOT PERFECT BECAUSE YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE IT FOR THE MOST PART FROM EUCLID.

AND WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO REDUCE THE, THE TRAIN CARS THAT WE HAVE THERE BY AT LEAST ONE OR TWO.

BUT WE BELIEVE IT'S THE BEST OPTION AT THAT SITE.

THE PROPOSAL AT THIS TIME, UM, HAS THE, THE GALLERY ATTACHED TO OUR MUSEUM.

SO YOU CAN WALK SEAMLESSLY FROM THE CURRENT MUSEUM TO THE NEW THEATER.

THE THEATER WOULD SERVE MULTIPLE PURPOSES.

ONE, IT WOULD BE JUST A NEW ADDITIONAL GALLERY FOR THE MUSEUM.

TWO, IT COULD PROVIDE AN ADD-ON TO THE HUNDREDS OF TOURS THAT WE PROVIDE AT, UM, FOR SCHOOLS AND OTHER GROUPS.

AND THREE, IT WOULD BE A RENTAL SITE FOR EVENTS AND ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

THE FRIENDS ARE READY TO COMMISSION ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS FOR THE THEATER AND THEY'RE ASKING THE CITY TO JOIN THEM IN PAYING FOR THESE DESIGNS.

THEY'RE SEEKING UP TO 50,000, UM, YEAH, $50,000, UM, AT THE MAXIMUM OF $50,000 OR 50% OF THE PROJECT COST OF THESE DESIGNS, WHICHEVER IS LESS.

THEY'RE AS ALSO SEEKING A COMMITMENT OR A RECOMMITMENT FOR THE $400,000 TO HELP BUILD THIS THEATER.

ONCE IT'S DESIGNED, TONIGHT'S STAFF ARE ASKING THE COUNCIL TO RECEIVE AND FILE THIS REPORT AND TO GIVE A STAFF DIRECTION ON THREE ITEMS. ONE, THE APPROVAL OF THE SITE LOCATION THAT HAS BEEN CHOSEN, TWO APPROVAL OF UP TO $50,000 FOR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS THAT WILL THEN BE TAKEN TO THE COMMUNITY, NOT TO GO TO PLANNING DEPARTMENT FIRST, THEN PLANNING COMMISSION, COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION, AND THEN OF COURSE BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND THREE FUNDING COMMITMENT OF $400,000.

IN THE FUTURE, IF AND WHEN THIS FACILITY IS BUILT, THAT CONCLUDES STAFF'S REPORT, BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY BEFORE WE TURN THE, UH, REPORT OVER TO KENT ROBERTS FROM THE FRIENDS OF THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.

DO YOU HAVE ANY COUNSEL, HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I JUST, IF YOU CAN REPEAT AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED 400,000 TWICE ON THE COMMITMENT, IS THAT TWO SETS OF 400,000? JUST ONE, EXCUSE ME.

JUST ONE.

SO THE, THE CITY COUNCIL COMMITTED IN 2009 TO THE CONCEPT AND IF AND WHEN IT'S BUILT THAT THE CITY COMMITTED 400,000, THEY'RE JUST ASKING FOR A RECOMMITMENT AT THIS TIME.

SO YOU WERE GIVING A SUMMARY OF SORRY, AND NOW YOU'RE YES.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, I'M GONNA HAVE QUESTIONS OF KENT PROBABLY WHEN HE GETS UP HERE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ONE BIG THING THAT STICKS IN MY CRAW, WHICH I'M SURE HE'LL PROBABLY ADDRESS AS WELL, IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REASON WE CALL IT THE DEPOT THEATER 'CAUSE WE HAVE RAILROAD CARS AND FOLKS LOVE THOSE RAILROAD CARS.

I LOVE THOSE RAILROAD CARS.

SO I'M GOING TO EXPRESS DISSATISFACTION WITH THE CONCEPT OF DEMOING ANY OF THE CARS.

I MEAN, IN A, IN A NECESSARY WORLD, NOT A PERFECT WORLD.

I COULD SEE MAYBE LOSING ONE, BUT I WAS TOLD THERE'D BE THREE OF THEM REMOVED.

IT DEPENDS, WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO MOVE SOME BACKWARDS TOO BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S FOUR CARS PLUS THE PULLMAN THERE.

SO, UM, MOLLY'S CAR, WHAT'S THAT? WE CALL IT MOLLY'S CAR.

PERSONALLY A LOT HAPPIER.

YES, I GET YA.

BUT, UM, UM, YES, WE DON'T, WE LOVE THE, THE TRAINS ALSO THE CARS AND, AND WE'LL ALWAYS HAVE OUR, UM, CABOOSE AND WE DO USE THEM FOR STORAGE, SO WE WANT TO PRESERVE AS MANY AS WE CAN.

UM, BUT BECAUSE THE SITE IS, UM, THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH ROOM AT THE, AT THE PARK, WE'D HAVE TO AT LEAST REMOVE ONE, IF NOT TWO.

I'M SAYING I HOPE YOU'RE FLEXIBLE AND I HOPE CANDLE BE FLEXIBLE.

WE ARE, WE CAN MAYBE FIND A WAY TO EXTEND THOSE SPURS TO THE WEST AND MAYBE SLIDE THOSE CARS DOWN.

SOMETHING CREATIVE THAT'S GONNA MAKE ME

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I GET YA.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S, THAT THOSE ARE SIGNATURE ASPECTS OF THAT CULTURAL CENTER.

YEAH, WE AGREE.

REMEMBER WE ARE LOCATED IN THE, IN THE 1923, UM, BUILDING OF UNION PACIFIC.

RIGHT.

WELL, FOR NOW, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE.

PERFECT.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE CONCERN THAT I HAVE CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, THESE CARS ARE A PART OF OUR HISTORY AND SO THIS IS A HUGE STEP FORWARD AND I, AND I WANTED TO WITHHOLD ON MAKING THAT COMMENT BECAUSE I DID WANT TO HEAR FROM MR. ROBERTSON, YOU KNOW, GET A FULL FLAVOR OF, OF WHAT IS BEING ASKED AND EVEN ASK SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CONTINGENCY PLANNING.

SO YES.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT, THANKS KELLY.

WE WILL.

GOOD JOB NOW.

OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC TO PLEASE SPEAK ON THIS ITEM.

ACTUALLY, MR. ROBERTS IS GONNA BE MAKING A PRESENTATION AS PART OF THE STAFF REPORT.

KENT ROBERTS, UH, 1874 DOROTHEA IN LAHABRA HEIGHTS.

AND, UH, KELLY TOOK AWAY TWO THIRDS OF OUR PRESENTATION, SO THAT'S FINE.

SO WHAT WE HAVE IS A PRESENTATION STARTING WITH THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

SO THERE'S 20 SLIDES, EXCUSE ME.

EACH ONE OF 'EM LASTS LIKE 10 SECONDS, AND THEY JUST KEEP ON MOVING ON.

AND I'M ONLY GOING TO PAUSE LIKE FOUR TIMES, AND THEN I'LL ADDRESS THE, UH, UH, THE CAR SITUATION FOR SURE, BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT THING TO TALK ABOUT.

SO, UH, THE FIRST THING IS AFTER THE EMERGENT THEATER, IF WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

AS KELLY EXPLAINED, THIS IS BEHIND THE DEPOT THEATER.

IT'S 13 FEET SOUTH OF THE EXISTING, UH, MUSEUM.

AND, UH, THIS IS THE ONE SPACE THAT WE FOUND, WHICH IS UNDERUTILIZED AT THIS TIME, AND THAT'S WHY WE CHOSE IT.

AND ALSO WE DID DOWNSIDE, THE WHOLE CONCEPT BECAUSE, UH, COSTS HAVE REALLY GONE UP OVER THE LAST EIGHT OR NINE YEARS, AND WE THINK THIS WILL STILL SERVE THE PURPOSE THAT WE WANT.

AND WE WILL, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING IF YOU'RE PUTTING ON SPECIAL EVENTS.

THIS IS THE FLOOR PLAN, AND ESSENTIALLY, UH, UH, IT'S 3000 SQUARE FEET.

IT'S THREE FEET OFF THE GROUND TO MATCH THE EXISTING, UH, CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.

SO ACCESS IS STRAIGHT ACROSS FROM THE NORTHWEST SIDE.

AND, UH, THAT'S CRITICAL.

WE USED TO HAVE ANOTHER ENTRANCE THAT'LL BE OFF THE PARKING LOT, WHICH WILL REQUIRE A RAMP, AND THAT WILL ENTER IN FROM THE, THE WEST SIDE, AND IT WILL HAVE A 20 FOOT, UH, INTERIOR CEILING, WHICH ALLOWS US TO HAVE PROJECTED IMAGES THAT ARE 18 FEET TALL.

SO THE MAIN ROOM, WHICH IS SIMPLY OPEN INSTEAD OF BEING FIXED EXHIBIT SPACE, WILL BE ABOUT 37, 38 FEET BY 55 FEET.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE 2000 SQUARE FEET COMES FROM.

AND AS WE MOVE ALONG, TWO RESTROOMS, CATERING, KITCHEN, STORAGE ROOM, AND THIS IS, UM, THREE OF THE EVENING SPECIAL EFFECTS THAT WE CAN HAVE.

AND FOR SOME REASON, WE'RE NOT GETTING ANY SOUND.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOO.

SO, SO BE IT.

SO WHAT MAKES THIS UNUSUAL AND SEPARATES IT FROM THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THE SUMMIT HOUSE, A HOTEL, IS THE FACT THAT WE WILL HAVE FOUR WALLS, AND ALL THOSE WALLS BASICALLY CAN HAVE VISUALS PLUS MUSIC OR SOUND, WHATEVER WE WANT.

AND THAT'S DONE TO CREATE KIND OF THE ATMOSPHERE FOR THE SPECIAL OCCASION.

SO YOU COULD HAVE AN ANNIVERSARY PARTY, YOU COULD HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY, YOU COULD HAVE A, A WEDDING RECEPTION, QUINCY OR A HIGH SCHOOL REUNION.

BUT WHAT YOU'LL FIND IS THIS WILL BE DIFFERENT.

IN FACT, NOBODY HAS THIS TYPE OF A SCENERY SURROUNDING IT, AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT DIFFERENT.

AND ALSO WE'LL HAVE THREE STAGES OF LIGHTING INSTEAD OF ONE, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, I'M TIRED TO GO TO GOING TO BANQUETS WHERE I CAN READ A NEWSPAPER.

I'D RATHER HAVE SOME TYPE OF AMBIANCE.

AND THE OTHER CRITICAL THING IS SOUND.

UH, WE HAD OUR BOYS CLUB AUCTION TWO WEEKS AGO AT THE SUMMIT HOUSE, AND LITERALLY YOU COULD NOT TALK TO THE PERSON ACROSS FROM YOU ON THE TABLE.

AND THAT'S BECAUSE NO ONE ADDRESSES ACOUSTICS.

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SO THIS BUILDING HAS BEEN DESIGNED ON PURPOSE, ON PURPOSE TO CREATE A NEW SOURCE OF LONG-TERM INCOME THAT CAN FLOW TO THE MUSEUM.

ENTERPRISE DOESN'T EXIST TODAY, AND I THINK THE CITY WOULD WELCOME ANY NEW FLOW OF REVENUE ON A LONG-TERM BASIS.

WE CAN GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

THE SECONDARY PURPOSE, WHICH IS REALLY THE PRIMARY PURPOSE, IS TO HAVE AN ADDITION THAT IS DIFFERENT.

YOU CAN ALMOST IGNORE THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WHICH WAS BASED ON ESTIMATING COST.

UH, UNDER OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE, IT'LL PROBABLY BE FEBRUARY OR MARCH BEFORE WE HAVE FULL PLANS.

AND THE FULL PLANS FROM THE ARCHITECTS IS ONLY A PART OF THE PICTURE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN AIR CONDITIONING COMPANY THAT BASICALLY LAYS OUT EVERYTHING AND PROVIDES THE CERTIFICATION FROM A MECHANICAL ENGINEER.

YOU HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING FOR ELECTRICAL AND THE SAME THING FOR THE PERSON THAT DOES THE CONCRETE.

SO IT'LL BE FEBRUARY OR MARCH BEFORE WE REALLY KNOW FAIRLY CLOSE WHAT AN ESTIMATED COST WILL BE.

SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WE'LL FIND OUT HOW CLOSE WE ARE ON THE MONEY SIDE, WHICH IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE ITEMS, THERE'S $400,000 THAT WOULD COME FROM THE CITY, WHICH GOES BACK QUITE A FEW YEARS.

THAT PROBABLY WILL BE 20, 25% OF THE TOTAL COST OF THE BUILDING, AND WE'RE RAISING THE REST OF IT.

AND, UH, THERE'LL BE $400,000 PLUS THAT COMES FROM A CONDOMINIUM THAT DOROTHY AND I DONATED A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO TO THE FRIENDS OF THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT.

UH, I'VE GOT A THIRD PARTY THAT WILL BRING IN ANOTHER $400,000, AND THOSE NAMES WILL BE REVEALED IN THE FUTURE, BUT NOT TONIGHT.

WE HAVE $200,000 FROM THE, UH, LOCAL LA HABRA SUPPORT COMMUNITY, UH, FOUNDATION.

AND WE SECURED THAT A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO.

AND THAT IS IN WRITING.

AND THE FRIENDS ITSELF HAS ABOUT $200,000 IN CASH THAT'S BEEN RAISED OVER THE LAST X AMOUNT OF YEARS.

75,000 OF THAT CAME FROM PAUL GOLDBERG AND 50,000 CAME FROM NANCY BERG, BOTH OF WHO ARE DECEASED.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, YOU CAN'T KNOW THE COST UNTIL YOU HAVE PLANS.

AND WHEN THOSE PLANS ARE READY, THEY CAN GO TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WITH EVERYTHING THAT IT REQUIRES FOR THEM TO DO THEIR REVIEW.

AND TRUTHFULLY, ONCE THEY DO THAT, THEY COULD SAY, YOU CAN GET YOUR BUILDING PERMITS TOMORROW.

AND OF COURSE, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD THIS PROJECT UNTIL THE CASH IS IN THE BANK, PERIOD.

AND, UH, THE TRUTH IS, IF WE'RE SHORT, UH, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE PERSON THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO RAISE THE MONEY.

AND I'M NOT A RELUCTANT PERSON WHEN IT COMES TO ASKING PEOPLE THAT I KNOW THAT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO GIVE SOME OF IT TO THE COMMUNITY.

AND THIS PROJECT, THERE'S 813 CHILDREN'S MUSEUMS IN THE UNITED STATES.

UH, ROBIN YOUNG TOLD ME WHEN SHE CAME UP WITH THIS IDEA THAT THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST CHILDREN'S MUSEUM WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI.

NOW THERE'S 52 WEST OF THE MISSISSIPPI.

THIS CONCEPT WOULD BE THE FIRST OF THIS TYPE OF CONCEPT EVER ASSOCIATED WITH A CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.

AND THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND.

YOUR BELINDA HAS A NIXON LIBRARY.

YOU KNOW, ANAHEIM HAS DISNEYLAND, AND WE HAVE THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.

AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ATTENDANCE OF 90 OR 95,000 PEOPLE A YEAR, THAT'S A THIRD MORE IN THE POPULATION OF LA HABRA.

SO I DON'T THINK ANY OF US, WHEN THE ORIGINAL 3000 SQUARE FEET WAS OPENED FOR THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM, EVER EXPECTED IT TO BE THIS SUCCESSFUL.

BUT IT IS.

AND IT'S THE ONE THING THAT PEOPLE TALK ABOUT IN LA HABRA.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WESTRIDGE, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIVE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A GREAT SHOPPING CENTER.

WE LIVE BECAUSE LA HABRA IS THIS CENTER FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BRING THEIR CHILDREN TO A CHILDREN'S MUSEUM.

SO THE LAST THING I'M GONNA SAY BEFORE WE GET TO THE NEXT PART, WHICH IS KIND OF AUTOMATIC, IS THAT, UH,

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AND ALL THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUMS, THE WORD EXHIBITS KIND OF GO HAND IN HAND.

THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DO.

PERMITING EXHIBITS THAT SIT THERE AND YOU CAN PERHAPS INTERACT WITH THEM OR ARE SEE THEM, BUT THEY'RE EXHIBITS.

THIS IS FOUR WALLS AND, UH, NO EXHIBITS, BUT FANTASTIC VISUALS.

AND WE ARE DEALING WITH CHILDREN THAT COME IN STROLLERS UP TO THIRD OR FOURTH GRADE.

AND IF WE REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE YOUNGER, WE SPENT TIME AT HOME, WE SPENT TIME IN SCHOOL, WE HAD CHILDREN IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE PLAYED WITH AFTERWARDS.

BUT THE OUTSIDE WORLD, UNLESS WE WENT SHOPPING WITH MOM OR WE VISITED RELATIVES, IF YOU LIVED IN LA HABRA, THAT WAS YOUR WORLD.

AND MAYBE YOU COULD WATCH TELEVISION OR MAYBE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT'S A SMALL WORLD.

SO THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THE IMMERSION THEATER IS THAT WE WANT TO BRING THE OUTSIDE WORLD TO YOUNG CHILDREN.

AND IF YOU DID A SURVEY IN LA HABRA OF KIDS THAT WERE FROM KINDERGARTEN THROUGH THIRD OR FOURTH GRADE, YOU WOULD PROBABLY FIND OUT THAT MOST OF 'EM NEVER WENT ON A VACATION.

AND IF THEY DID, MAYBE IT WAS BIG BEAR, BUT THEY DIDN'T GO TO PARIS, FRANCE.

SO LET'S GO AHEAD AND SHOW THE NEXT SLIDE.

THIS IS A $250,000 PAINTING, BY THE WAY, FROM BOB KON.

UH, MY WIFE AND I HAVE BEEN TO THE SERENGETI, PROBABLY THE BEST TRIP THAT WE EVER TOOK.

SO WILDLIFE MAY BE OUR FIRST PROGRAM.

SO LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

AND, AND THIS IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S, IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FIRST.

UH, IF YOU CAN IMAGINE A SOUTH WALL AND HAVE AN IMAGE THAT'S 18 FEET TALL BY 37 FEET IN WIDTH.

SO THIS IS A LITTLE BIT OVER THE TOP AND LOOKS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN SOMETHING YOU MIGHT SEE WALKING DOWN THE STREET OF LA HARBOR.

IT'S IMPRESSIVE TO ADULTS.

FOR A CHILD THAT IS THIS HIGH OFF THE GROUND, THIS IS GOING TO LOOK BIG.

I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE HUGE, BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE, IS TO TAKE THEM TO PLACES THEY'VE NEVER BEEN TO BEFORE.

LET'S GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.

AND THIS IS SOME OF THE LANDSCAPE SCENES THAT REPRESENT TANZANIA.

AND THESE ARE THREE ARTISTS THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT, UH, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW, AND I KNOW THIS IS A LEOPARD, WE NEVER SAW ONE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOCTURNAL AND THEY'RE IN THE TREES.

THIS IS A, UH, OBVIOUSLY A GIRAFFE.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS GONNA BE HUGE BECAUSE IT'S GONNA OCCUPY SOMETHING THAT'S 18 FEET TALL.

WE HAVE THE ELEPHANTS AND WE HAVE NEXT WE HAVE LIONS.

AND IF WE CAN PAUSE THERE FOR A SECOND, UH, THIS IS KIND OF TO HUMAN SCALE.

THIS IS LIKE A SIX FOOT ADULT STANDING IN FRONT OF A SCREEN THAT HAS AN IMAGE THAT'S 18 FEET TALL.

AND ON THE SIDE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS DESCRIBE SOMETHING ABOUT THE PAINTING ITSELF.

SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO RECRUIT SOME TEACHERS TO TELL US, OKAY, WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE SAY ABOUT THIS? I MEAN, IF I SAY THE BENGAL TIGER IS IS IN INDIA, UH, SMALL CHILD MAY NOT KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, BUT IF WE DESCRIBE THE SPOTS AND WHATEVER, AND SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENT THAT CAN HAVE MEANING.

SO THE PARENT CAN READ SOMETHING ON THE SIDE IF THEY WANT TO, AND THAT JUST ENHANCES THE IMAGE ITSELF.

LET'S GO ON TO THE NEXT ONE.

LET'S JUST GO THROUGH NORTH AMERICA.

THESE ARE TEN SECOND SLIDES, AND THAT ENDS THE SLIDE PRESENTATION.

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IT'S GONNA LOOK PRETTY BIG HERE.

AGAIN, WE'RE SELLING NOT ONLY THE ANIMALS, BUT THE LANDSCAPE.

SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE FROM THE ARTIST'S PERSPECTIVE IS THE COLORS CHANGE.

POLAR BEAR MAY BE EXTINCT BY THE END OF THE CENTURY.

EVERYBODY LIKES WOLVES.

AND HERE AGAIN, THE COLORS OF BUFFALO BEING HUNTED BY WOLVES.

BUT IT'S JUST TRUTH.

THIS TAKES PLACE IN NORTH AMERICA.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THE COLORS AND THE SIZE OF THE MOOSE BEING AN 18 FOOT IMAGE, ONCE AGAIN, IS OVER THE TOP AND IS BEYOND HUMAN SCALE.

AND THE LAST ONE IS A CARIBOU.

BUT ONCE AGAIN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING IN ADDITION TO THE ANIMAL ITSELF.

SO IT GIVES THE PARENTS SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT.

OKAY, UH, TWO THINGS.

THERE'S NO LIMIT ON THE TOPICS THAT WE CAN HAVE.

SO IF YOU WERE TO ASK ME WHERE WOULD I LIKE TO BE, SAY ONE YEAR AFTER WE OPEN, AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A SATURDAY, WE'RE FROM 10 TO 12, WE HAVE WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN.

WE SEE THE SERENGETI AND PERHAPS NORTH AMERICA ANIMALS FROM 12 TO TWO BECAUSE, UH, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE AT THE SAN FRANCISCO AQUARIUM.

AND ALL I NEED IS PERMISSION TO SAY, WE'D LIKE TO PUT UP FOUR CAMERAS, FOUR DIFFERENT VIEWS OF YOUR AQUARIUM FOR ONE HOUR.

AND WHEN YOU ENTER FROM THE MUSEUM, YOU ARE GOING TO WALK INTO THE MIDDLE OF AN AQUARIUM SURROUNDED ON ALL FOUR SIDES BY ALL THIS MOVEMENT THAT YOU SEE IN THE AQUARIUM.

AND THIRD, IT COULD BE LIKE EGYPT.

AND I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE EGYPT.

SO I'M GONNA RECRUIT A BOARD MEMBER.

WE'RE GONNA MAKE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE EGYPTIAN CONSULTANT ON WILSHIRE BOULEVARD IN LOS ANGELES AND GO DOWN TO THEM WITH A PROPOSAL IS THAT IF YOU, PEOPLE CAN PROVIDE US X AMOUNT OF IMAGES, THEN IF YOU WOULD WRITE US A CHECK FOR $12,000, WE'LL HAVE A PRODUCTION.

AND WE WILL SHOW EGYPT AS PART OF ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS. AND EGYPT, BECAUSE OF THE AGE OF THE COUNTRY GOING BACK 5,000 YEARS FOR PYRAMIDS AND EVEN BEFORE THAT, IT'S A FANTASTIC VENUE.

AND THERE'S NO KID BETWEEN THE AGES OF SAY, STROLLER AGE IN THIRD OR FOURTH GRADE THAT'LL EVER SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THEIR LIFETIME.

MOST LIKELY THIS WILL BE A LOT BETTER THAN A TELEVISION 60 INCH SCREEN.

UH, DARREN, BASICALLY THERE'S UH, FOUR BOX CARS RIGHT NOW, AND THERE'S ONE OIL TANKER THAT'S ACROSS THE WALKWAY THAT GOES INTO THE, UH, CENTER IN THE BACK.

WE NEED TO MOVE TWO OF THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE STANDING RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING.

WE CAN MOVE THOSE WEST, AND THAT LEAVES TWO MORE CARS AND THE OIL TANKER.

AND WHEN I'VE TALKED TO THE CITY, I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE LOCATION WHERE THE OIL TANKER IS.

NOW, WHETHER OR NOT THAT MAY TURN INTO FUTURE PARKING OR NOT, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BEYOND THAT WALKWAY.

AND ACTUALLY, IF WE WANTED TO, YOU COULD RETAIN ALL THE CARS.

IF YOU HAVE TO, UH, GET RID OF TWO CARS.

THE, UH, CITY OF FULLERTON WHO HAS THAT TRAIN YARD WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THE ONE THAT, UH, HAS TO DO WITH ORANGES, , BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THEY KNOW GOES WITH THE PACKING HOUSES BACK IN 1920.

AND THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THAT TO GET RID OF, UH, THOSE TWO CARS OR JUST TO MOVE THEM.

IT'S ABOUT $8,000 FOR THE CRANE FOR ONE DAY, AND IT'S ABOUT, UH, 12,000 JUST TO PUT 'EM ON TRANSPORTATION, EVEN TO GO TO FULL.

SO, UH, I'M CONFIDENT WE CAN WORK THAT OUT.

WE HAVE THE SPACE, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF MOVING THEM.

AND WE'RE DEALING WITH A COMPANY THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THEY DO THAT'S LOCATED IN FULLERTON.

AND THEY SAID,

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YOU KNOW, PUSHING THE VEHICLES DOWN THE, THAT'S NO BIG THING.

OKAY? WHEN I SAY NO BIG THING'S, $3,000.

SO, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS THIS, IS THAT THIS CITY TOOK A GAMBLE A LONG TIME AGO IN 1977, AND, UH, ROBIN AND I KNEW EACH OTHER AT THE TIME.

SHE WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL.

THIS WAS HER PROJECT THAT SHE BROUGHT BACK FROM INDIANAPOLIS.

AND IT WAS NOT EASY ALWAYS TRYING TO CONVINCE THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.

UH, BUT MY UNCLE WAS ON THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME AND HE TOLD ME SHE'S A PRETTY PERSUASIVE YOUNG LADY.

SO, UH, HERE WE ARE TODAY AGAIN, UH, IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME SINCE 1988 FOR THIS MUSEUM TO CONSIDER AN EXPANSION.

AND LIKE MANY THINGS, YOU EXPAND, YOU WANT TO GROW BECAUSE YOU CAN NOW OFFER A BETTER MUSEUM TO THE SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

IT'S NOT JUST LA HABRA, IT'S THOSE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN 15, 20 MINUTES DRIVING TIME.

SO THAT'S OUR AUDIENCE.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THIS IS SO DIFFERENT AND WE HAVE NO LIMITATIONS.

SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM GOING TO SOMEONE LIKE MY FRIEND HOWARD ERMAN, FROM VIP RUBBER AND SAYING, HOWARD, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY NEED TO SPONSOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE JUST GREAT FOR KIDS.

AND WE HAVE A PRODUCTION GROUP THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO THIS.

AND IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED.

THIS IS EITHER PUBLIC DOMAIN IN TERMS OF VISUALS, OR WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION FROM THE VARIOUS PEOPLE THAT WE USE FOR THE VISUALS.

SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND.

AND, UH, KEEP IN MIND THAT YOU'RE GONNA WIND UP WITH SOMETHING THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.

YOU'RE GONNA OWN IT.

IT'S GONNA HAVE ANOTHER SET OF REVENUE THAT COMES FROM THE EVENINGS AND WILL BE AVAILABLE 365 NIGHTS OUTTA THE YEAR.

SO, UH, WE WANT YOUR APPROVAL AND WE WANT YOU TO BE FIRST AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CITIES THAT TALK A LOT, BUT THEY JUST DON'T DO IT.

THE CITY'S ALWAYS BEEN DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF NONPROFITS, AND THAT'S PART OF WHAT WE'RE KNOWN FOR.

SO I'LL ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE AT THIS TIME.

MAY I THANK YOU.

I I HAVE PLENTY , GO AHEAD IF YOU WANNA GO.

YEAH, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE PLANS AND DESIGNS.

WHICH COULD BE READY AS SOON AS FEBRUARY OR MARCH, YOU SAID, RIGHT, KEN? CORRECT.

NOW, UM, I'M UN OF THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA COST A A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS.

NO.

UH, I'M, I'M GETTING ACTUALLY THE QUOTE FROM THE ARCHITECT I'LL HAVE TOMORROW.

I EXPECT IT'LL BE IN THE 20 TO $30,000 RANGE.

AND THAT INCLUDES THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERING REPORT, WHICH HAS TO BE CERTIFIED AND GIVEN TO THE CITY WHEN THEIR PLANS GO TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.

SO YOU'RE GONNA MAKE US HAPPIER IF YOU'RE GONNA SAY THAT OUR SHARE OF THAT WOULD BE 15,000 OR 20,000.

IS THAT A FAIR ASSESSMENT? WELL, IF, IF, OKAY, IF THE, LET'S ASSUME FOR A SECOND THAT THE PLANS ARE UNDER $30,000.

THAT'S FOR THE ARCHITECT.

GIVE YOURSELF A LITTLE BUFFER.

IT'S OKAY.

NO, NO, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A GOOD NUMBER.

UH, BUT THEN ABOVE THAT, , WE HAVE TO HAVE AN AIR CONDITIONING COMPANY THAT LAYS OUT ALL THE AIR CONDITIONING AND HAS A MECHANICAL ENGINEER THAT CERTIFIES IT.

OF MATERIALS, THEN THEY CHARGE YOU $75,000 IN THE CONTRACT.

SO WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A PREVAILING WAGE JOB, WHICH GOES OUT TO BID.

RIGHT? THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WE'RE ALL LOCAL, THAT THEY'RE GONNA GET THE JOB.

I'M JUST WONDERING IF WE CAN'T DIAL BACK THE 50,000 ON THE CITY SIDE TO SOMETHING SOMEWHAT LESS.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S REASONABLE OR? I I WILL TELL YOU THIS, UH, ALL OF THESE VENDORS THAT I'M WORKING WITH, UH, I'M A NICE GUY, BUT , AS I'VE TOLD THEM, I'M NOT DOING THIS FOR MY PERSONAL GAIN.

OKAY? THIS IS, THIS IS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO I MET WITH APOLLO ELECTRIC TODAY IN BREA, AND I'VE KNOWN THEM FOR 40 YEARS.

AND WHEN I GOT THROUGH WITH THE CONVERSATION, I SAID, OKAY, I SAID, UH, WHAT I'M GONNA ASK YOU IS THAT, UH, YOU SIMPLY SELL US THE EQUIPMENT AT COST.

'CAUSE MOST CON CONTRACTORS DON'T DO THAT.

YOU KNOW, THEY PROVIDE YOU $50,000 WORTH

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SO, UH, WELL THAT'S GREAT FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT I'M TALKING JUST GETTING THE PLANS AND DESIGNS AT THIS POINT, WHETHER IT'S A-H-H-V-A-C SCHEMATIC OR WHATEVER IT IS, THAT, THAT, WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET OUT OF YOU ACTUALLY, KENT, IS A BALLPARK FOR WHAT YOU THINK IS REASONABLE FOR PLANS AND DESIGNS.

AND I'M HOPING IT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED THOUSAND, WHICH OBVIOUSLY WOULD REDUCE THE CITY COMMITMENT TO SOMETHING UNDER 50,000.

SO YOU CAN GIMME SOMETHING ON THAT, THAT'D BE GREAT.

AND, AND ALL I CAN TELL YOU IS THIS, WITHIN THE NEXT PROBABLY THREE TO FOUR WEEKS, I CAN GIVE YOU A CLOSER NUMBER, BUT RIGHT NOW, I, I DON'T HAVE THAT.

I'M WORKING WITH FIFTH BILL.

I'M ASKING HIM TO DO SOMETHING FOR ME.

RIGHT.

AND THEY, THEY HAVE LIKE, WELL, ARE WE GONNA HAVE A JOB? AND I'M SAYING, I DON'T KNOW, BUT YOU WANT US TO DO SOMETHING TONIGHT WITH THIS.

SO WHAT IF I SAID THE CITY COMMITMENT WOULD BE 40,000 FOR PLANS AND DESIGNS.

COULD YOU LIVE WITH THAT ? I CAN LIVE WITH ANYTHING BECAUSE IF I'M GONNA HAVE TO COLLECT THE MONEY, I WE'RE DELIBERATE THAT AT THE VERY END WHAT WE'RE GONNA POSSIBLY APPROVE.

WELL, YEAH, WE'RE GONNA DELIBERATE IT, BUT I, I'M TRYING TO, TO GET OUTTA HIM INFORMATION AT THIS POINT.

NO, DARREN, DARREN HERE.

I THINK THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS, THIS IS A PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE 1.6 MILLION, MAYBE 1.8 MILLION.

IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

RIGHT.

AND, AND, UH, WE'RE RAISING PROBABLY 70, 75% OF THAT MONEY.

TO ME, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE LAST 10,000.

IF WE SAVE $50,000 TONIGHT, YOU'RE GONNA GET THE ACTUAL NUMBERS.

THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HYPOTHETICAL.

THEY'RE GONNA BE FIRM NUMBERS.

I WANT THEM TO BE BELOW THAT.

I MEAN, BUT I CAN'T, JIM'S POINT IS ACTUALLY WELL TAKEN 'CAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT OF RUMINATIONS TO MAKE WHEN WE GET AROUND TO THAT POINT.

BUT I'M JUST, I'M, I'M PICKING YOUR BRAIN ON A COUPLE THINGS SO I KNOW WHAT TO BRING UP AND WHAT NOT TO BRING UP WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT IT.

SO MY FINAL, MY ONLY OTHER THING WITH YOU RIGHT NOW IS THERE WAS A FEASIBILITY STUDY DONE, I GUESS IT WAS 2019, THAT THE USC GROUP, IF, IF YOU RECALL YES.

WHICH HAD PROS AND CONS AND WAS SOMEWHAT SKEPTICAL OF CERTAIN ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN, BUT HAD SOME UPLIFTING INFORMATION AS WELL.

SO LET ME ASK YOU, ONCE WE GET THE PLANS AND DESIGNS, AND WE REALLY KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF THE CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND WHAT, AND FRANKLY, WHETHER THIS IS GOING TO BE FEASIBLE ON YOUR SIDE, BECAUSE YOU'VE LINED ALL THIS UP HERE, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT WHAT IF THE RESPONSIBLE THIRD PARTY DOESN'T TO COMMIT A HUNDRED PERCENT TO THE 400 AND DON'T EVEN ANSWER THAT OR WHATEVER HAPPENS.

UH, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT DOING ANOTHER, HOW, WHAT'S THE FEASIBILITY OF A NEW FEASIBILITY STUDY IN FEBRUARY OR MARCH? BECAUSE THIS IS DATED INFORMATION THAT THE USC GROUP CAME UP WITH WHEN I TALKED TO THE PEOPLE FROM USC.

UH, I DON'T WANNA SAY A TYPICAL, BUT, BUT IT WAS, FIRST OF ALL, WELL, SHOW ME THE PLACES THAT HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.

WELL, IT'S LIKE, YOU MEAN LIKE NONE? I, I MEAN, IT'S LIKE STEVE JOBS SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANT, UH, A RELEASE A CELL PHONE.

AND EVERYBODY SAYS, WELL WHAT'S THAT? WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LOOK INTO THAT POSSIBILITY OF GETTING A FEASIBILITY STUDY, IS WHAT I'M SAYING, EARLY NEXT YEAR? WELL, YOU COULD.

IT'S JUST GONNA BE MONEY, BUT IT'S GONNA BE, IN MY OPINION, A WASTE OF TIME.

THIS IS, I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE VISUALS, IT'S SELF-EVIDENT THAT NUMBER ONE, THEY ARE OVER THE TOP BECAUSE THEY'RE LARGER THAN LIFE HUMAN SCALE.

NO, I GET, LOOK, IT'S GORGEOUS.

I MEAN, IT'S MAGNIFICENT ALWAYS TO LOOK AT, I DON'T WANT TO EVEN TAKE ANY MORE OF YOUR TIME 'CAUSE I KNOW MY COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

SO I'M GONNA SAY, SO I'M GONNA PASS THE BATON COUNCIL MEMBER ALM I, I, I WILL JUST SAY THIS.

I, I'VE KNOWN KENT A LONG TIME AND HE'S ABOUT THE MOST FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE PERSON I KNOW YOU'RE VERY FRUGAL AND, AND, AND VERY GENEROUS THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN THE COMMUNITY.

I, I'M FINE WITH THE 50,000.

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO HOG WHILE YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO GET THE MOST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK AND HAVING IT, UH, IF WE WERE TO GO WHEN WE DELIBERATE, $50,000 WOULD BE FINE WITH ME BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GO RUN HO HOG WILD.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL, BUT WE'LL JUST GO.

MY WIFE DOESN'T SAY FRUGAL.

SHE TELLS ME THAT I'M CHEAP.

YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT.

COUNCIL MEMBER LAMBKIN.

OH, I'M SIGNING UP TO BUILD THE BUILDING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COST.

UH, I, I FIRST WANT THANK YOU FOR THIS VISION THAT YOU HAVE FOR OUR CITY AND JUST BY YOU DESCRIBING THE, WHAT YOU WANT FOR THIS CITY AND WHAT THIS COULD POSSIBLY DO FOR THE CITY SHOWS, YOU HAVE A LOT, A LOT OF LOVE FOR THIS CITY.

UM, I ALSO WANT, YOU KNOW, UH, APPRECIATE YOUR VERY CANDIDNESS ABOUT NOT DISCLOSING THOSE THIRD PARTIES, BUT OF COURSE, UM, BECAUSE THOSE THIRD PARTIES AREN'T DISCLOSED, IF YOU ALLOW ME TO KIND OF LIKE KICK THE TIRES A LITTLE BIT TO KIND OF SURE.

ASK ABOUT SOME FISCAL, UM, MATTERS WITH THIS.

SO, UM, THE FIRST QUESTION I HAVE IS, AND I KNOW HE, HE SAID, HEY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT I, I'M ACTUALLY CURIOUS, WHAT IS THE CONTINGENCY PLAN FOR IF THESE FUNDS DO NOT COME THROUGH? BECAUSE THIS IS A HUGE COMMITMENT FOR OUR CITY.

I MEAN, I I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THESE FUNDS ARE GONNA COME FROM THE GENERAL FUNDS THAT WE ARE GONNA BE COMMITTING TO THIS PROJECT.

NO, I, I CAN TELL YOU BECAUSE YOU KNOW, MY BACKGROUND, YOU KNOW, OUR PARTNERSHIP BUILT THE TOWN CENTER NEXT DOOR, WHICH IS NOW CITY HALL.

SO I FACE THE SAME THING.

IT'S LIKE,

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UH, SO YOU, YOU JUST TAKE IT AS IT COMES.

SO, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE KNOW THE COST, AND WE'RE ALL REGIONALLY ASSUMING THAT ONCE WE GET ESTIMATES FROM INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTORS THAT THEY'RE PRETTY REAL, WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT HOW SHORT WE ARE.

AND I HAVE MY LIST OF CURRENT FRIENDS, ABOUT 25 OF THEM THAT I'LL BE GOING TO BECAUSE THEY CAN AFFORD TO, TO MAKE A $50,000 DONATION IF I ASK THEM.

I MAY NOT HAVE ANY FRIENDS AFTERWARDS, BUT THAT'S OKAY.

'CAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I DO.

UH, SO, UH, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THE ACOUSTICS, LEMME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE.

AND IF THE ACOUSTICS ARE THE LAST $75,000 AND WE DON'T HAVE IT, AND I WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I WOULD RATHER DELAY THIS PROJECT THREE MORE MONTHS SO I CAN RAISE THE $75,000 BECAUSE I WANT IT BUILT TO BE THE BEST THAT IT CAN BE.

SO, UH, ARE YOU RELYING UPON ME TO RAISE THE MONEY? AND THE ANSWER IS YES.

AND ALL I CAN ASK YOU TO CONSIDER IS MY RECORD OF SUCCESS IN THE PAST, AND I WOULDN'T BE STANDING HERE TONIGHT AND JUST TELLING YOU I CAN DO IT IF I COULDN'T.

THAT'S JUST WHO I AM.

FOR ME, IT'D BE VERY DISINGENUOUS TO EVEN SUGGEST THAT I KNOW YOU VERY WELL.

SO FOR ME, I'M VERY, I'M LOOKING AT THIS VERY OBJECTIVELY.

IF, IF THAT'S OKAY.

AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO DO WITH ANY DECISION WE MAKE UP HERE.

WHAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME IS, UM, WE'VE, I, I'VE PERSONALLY SEEN THIS BEFORE IN THE CITY OF BUENA PARK, THEY HAD A PALLADIUM THAT THEY WERE BUILDING A BUTTERFLY PALLADIUM THAT REPLACED THE WAX MUSEUM ON BEACH BOULEVARD ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO.

AND IT WAS, IN A WAY THE SAME, THE SAME LANGUAGE OF THIS IS GONNA BE AMAZING, THIS IS GONNA BE UNIQUE.

NOBODY'S EVER SEEN THIS BEFORE.

PROJECT GETS GOING, THEY RUN OUTTA MONEY CITY NOW TRIES TO SECURE THE LAND, THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S JUST A BIG MESS.

THAT THING SAT AS A, A PIECE OF RUBBLE FOR FIVE YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROJECT OR NOT, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE A BOMB.

HIT IT FOR FIVE YEARS ON THEIR MAJOR THOROUGHFARE.

AND I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF SITUATION.

IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

SO YOU, WHY DON'T YOU, THIS IS WHY I ASK ABOUT THE CONTINGENCY PLANNING, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

THIS IS WHY I ASK ABOUT WHAT IS THAT CONTINGENCY PLANNING LOOKING LIKE? ME OKAY.

QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE, AND, AND KENT, YOU ALSO PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS HAVING PUT UP YOUR CONDO AS WELL ON THIS.

WELL, WE'LL BE THE, WE'LL BE THE LARGEST INVESTOR IN THIS NO, NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, UH, THERE'S A POINT OF LIFE WHERE YOU DECIDE TO DO MORE THAN NORMAL.

AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES.

SO, UH, AS I SAID, I WOULDN'T BE HERE TONIGHT IF I DIDN'T THINK I COULD ACCOMPLISH THIS.

AND, AND I'M REALLY, SO I'M REALLY SURPRISED TO, UH, LIKE THIS MORNING WHEN I MET WITH APOLLO ELECTRIC, EVEN THOUGH I'VE KNOWN THEM FOR 40 YEARS, THEY'RE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO DO ANYTHING BUT SAY, WE'LL GIVE YOU JUST OUR, UH, REGULAR CONTRACT.

WE'LL BID IT, WE'LL GIVE IT TO YOU.

AND, UH, BUT I WAS VERY SPECIFIC WHEN I ASKED TO SAY, LOOK, I WANT YOU TO AT LEAST GIVE THE EQUIPMENT TO US AT COST, YOU KNOW, DON'T MARK IT UP.

AND THE RESPONSE WAS, I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT.

I'M, I'M, I'M PRETTY SATISFIED WITH THAT CHALLENGE THERE WITH THE AC IF, IF I CAN ASK ANOTHER QUESTION ABOUT ANOTHER COST.

SURE.

THE, THE IMAGES THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO, THE, THE, UH, MOVING EXHIBITS.

CALL ON FRIDAY SAYING THAT, UH, HIS FAMILY WAS TOLD BY HIS DOCTORS THAT HE HAD TWO YEARS TO LIVE.

WHAT'S GONNA BE THE COST OF THAT? UH, WHO I, I I START TO LOOK AT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT YOU SHOWN.

THESE ARE ARTISTS THAT ARE PUTTING THESE THINGS UP.

I'M, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE COPYRIGHTED.

I DON'T.

SO IF YOU CAN TELL ME LIKE, WHAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, UH, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE COST OF THAT TO CREATE AND WHO, WHO'S GONNA BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT? OKAY.

UH, WE USE FREE ARTIST.

UH, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW KNOW, UH, I KNOW HIM QUITE WELL.

KEN CARLSON.

KEN CARLSON LIVES IN NEW MEXICO.

KEN IS LIKE 86 YEARS OLD.

ALL OF HIS PAINTINGS SELL FOR, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS PERSONAL FRIEND.

AND, UH, MY BROTHER-IN-LAW KNOW THAT WE CAN GO TO KEN AND SIMPLY SAY, CAN WE HAVE ACCESS TO YOUR, TO YOUR COLLECTION? THE OTHER ONE IS BOB KON.

BOB KON PASSED AWAY FOUR YEARS AGO.

MY BROTHER-IN-LAW IS ONE OF HIS LARGEST COLLECTORS.

AND, UH, HE LIVED IN NEBRASKA.

AND MY BROTHER-IN-LAW, JIM GOT A PHONE

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AND JIM SAID, COME OUT TO THE COACHELLA VALLEY, I'LL TAKE YOU TO THE EISENHOWER HOSPITAL.

AND THEY CAME UP WITH A DIFFERENT OPINION, AND HE LIVED FOR FIVE YEARS.

THOSE ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WE HAVE CONTACTS WITH, AS WELL AS KEN CARLSON.

NOW, THOSE PEOPLE, WE HAVE TO GET PERMISSION.

WHAT YOU HAVE OTHERWISE IS THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, WHICH IS HUGE TODAY.

AND THAT'S, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ABOUT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE LIMITLESS AS FAR AS WHAT WE CAN YES.

WHAT CAN BE DISPLAYED UP THERE.

AND, AND QUITE FRANKLY, BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF IMAGINATION, UH, I'VE TALKED TO SOMEONE AND I, IN FACT, I TALKED TO OUR BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB AND SAID, CAN OUR TEEN CENTER, WHICH IS KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL, HOW ABOUT A PROJECT OF RESEARCHING THE NON-PROFIT WORLD IN AFRICA THAT DEALS WITH WILDLIFE AND PRESERVES? AND ALL WE WANT IS, CAN YOU SEND US DIGITAL PHOTOGRAPHS OR COULD YOU SEND US VIDEO AND SIMPLY ASK THEM AND USING MY CONTACTS WITH THE SAFARI CLUB IN THE UNITED STATES.

SAME THING.

WILL YOUR MEMBERS SEND IN PHOTOGRAPHS? THE BEST, LET ME REFRESH YOUR MEMORY REAL QUICK.

YOU HELD A PREVIEW FOR US SEVERAL YEARS AGO AT THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, AND WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET SOME OF THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE ONBOARD TO HELP OUT WITH THESE IMAGES AND PROVIDE THAT.

SO I JUST WANNA REMIND YOU, THAT'S THAT'S MY PRODUCTION.

UH, CREW.

AND, UH, UH, THAT'S ANOTHER COST.

DARREN THAT WE'RE GONNA BE STUCK WITH.

UH, THERE'S VERY FEW PEOPLE THAT DO THIS.

IT'S WITH THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB, OR WITH THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM OR BIGHORN INSTITUTE OUT IN THE DESERT, OR THE LAHABRA COMMUNITY FOUNDATION.

UH, BUT IT'S PROBABLY GONNA COST US 15 OR $20,000 NOW BECAUSE IT'S REALLY COMPLICATED OF LAYING OUT THE SOFTWARE AND THE HARDWARE AND HOW YOU TAKE ONE WALL AND YOU COMBINE THREE PROJECTORS INTO ONE IMAGE.

UH, SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT DONE.

THE GOOD NEWS IS TALKING WITH THE CITY, WE CAN BUILD THOSE SPECIFICATIONS INTO THE BID PROCESS, WHICH MEANS MOST OUTSIDE BUILDERS WOULD LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OH, WE CAN DO THIS FOR BUILDING A BUILDING.

AND THEN THEY SEE THE SPECIFICATIONS FOR THE TECHNOLOGY AND THEY WILL PROBABLY SAY, I'LL PASS.

WHICH MEANS LOCALLY WE WIN.

THANK YOU, SIR.

AND, AND, UH, I GUESS THIS LAST QUESTION I HAVE WOULD PROBABLY BE MAYBE FOR THE CITY, UM, WITH THE $400,000, ARE THERE ANY OTHER SOURCES OF REVENUE OR ANY OTHER SOURCES WITH THE CITY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT OTHER THAN THE GENERAL FUND? WELL, IDEALLY WE WOULD BE ABLE TO, UH, LOOK AT CHASING AFTER GRANTS.

UH, WE CAN'T REALLY GO AFTER GRANTS UNTIL WE HAVE AN APPROVED PROJECT AND A, AND A, AN ACTUAL PROJECT DESIGN THAT HAS COST ESTIMATES TO PUT INTO A GRANT APPLICATION.

BUT TO BE HONEST, EVEN THEN, THOSE KIND OF GRANTS ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN AND USUALLY ARE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE AMOUNTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

UM, OTHER NON-GENERAL FUND SOURCES OF REVENUE COULD BE PARK IMPACT FEES, PARK DEVELOPMENT FEES, IF THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DEEMS THOSE TO BE QUALIFYING SOURCES OF REVENUE TO USE FOR A PROJECT LIKE THIS, A LOT OF THAT MONEY HAS BEEN GOING INTO CENTENNIAL PARK.

SO WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT LEFT, UH, IN THAT ACCOUNT ANYMORE.

UH, BUT IT BUILDS UP OVER TIME.

SO THAT MIGHT BE A SOURCE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THERE IS, IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE TO ASSUME THAT THE GENERAL FUND MAY HAVE TO PAY FOR SOME OF THIS IF THE COUNCIL DEEMS THIS PROJECT TO MOVE FORWARD AND COMMITS TO 400,000.

BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH THAT IS TODAY.

BUT THAT'S THE LAST RESORT IN MY OPINION.

AND I TALKED TO OUR ORANGE COUNTY SUPERVISOR, AND, UH, I TALKED TO HIM ABOUT THE PROJECT.

HE SAYS, OH, OKAY.

AND THEN HE SAID, OKAY, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO IS JUST HAVE JIM CALL ME WHEN WE GET READY, .

UH, SO, SO ONCE AGAIN, THE CHALLENGE IS, THIS IS, FIRST OF ALL, FIND OUT HOW MUCH IT COSTS.

OKAY? AND WE CAN'T DO THAT UNTIL I GET APOLLO ELECTRIC THAT LAYS OUT ALL THE ELECTRICAL, UH, NEW TRANSFORMER, WHATEVER IT TAKES, AND THEY GIVE ME A NUMBER.

AND THEN WE TAKE ALL THESE AND WE COMBINE 'EM TOGETHER, AND WE'LL HAVE A PRETTY CLOSE ESTIMATE OF WHAT IT'S GONNA COST TO BUILD IT.

AND AT THAT TIME, ALL OF US ARE GOING TO KNOW IF WE'RE SHORT, HOW MUCH IS IT? AND THEN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM LAYING OUT A PLAN TO, TO TELL YOU.

I GOTTA BE A LITTLE CAREFUL.

I JUST DON'T GIVE YOU A LIST OF NAMES, OF PEOPLE I'M GOING AFTER.

FAIR ENOUGH.

OTHERWISE, I, I'LL MAKE SURE I HAVE NO FRIENDS LEFT.

UH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE THIS ALL MY LIFE, WHETHER

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UH, THIS IS WHAT I DO AND I'M GOOD AT IT.

AND, AND I'VE GOT A RECORD OF IT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE, MA'AM.

ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UH, THANK YOU.

SO I WOULD ASK THIS IF THERE'S ANY LINGERING ISSUE THAT YOU MAY HAVE THAT HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED YET.

I'D APPRECIATE IT IF YOU'D BRING IT UP NOW, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.

I GO OVER THERE AND SIT DOWN, YOU HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION, AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING BROUGHT UP THAT WE HAVEN'T EVEN DISCUSSED, BUT IT'S A REAL, REAL NEGATIVE, I WOULD WANT TO COME BACK AND GIVE A RESPONSE.

BUT THAT'S UP TO THE CITY COUNCIL.

UNDERSTAND.

SO I KNOW THAT WE UNDERSTAND.

THANK YOU, KEN.

NOW OPEN IT TO, FOR THE PUBLIC, SHOULD THEY WISH TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OR AN OPPOSITION TO PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM.

PLEASE PROVIDE US WITH YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.

HELLO, COUNCIL MEMBERS.

MY NAME'S YEL.

I'M A RESIDENT, UM, UP IN GREENWOOD BY HARVARD.

AND IMMEDIATELY, UM, JUST THINKING ABOUT THIS, IT WAS TAKING ME BACK TO LAST COUNCIL MEETING WHEN WE HAD A COUPLE OF THE PARENTS COME OUT AND, UM, REQUEST, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS COMMITTED TO THIS AND LOOKING INTO THE LOGISTICS OF IT, BUT MORE SO MAKING THIS, THIS ITSELF IS A, IS A SENSORY FRIENDLY IDEA.

AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING OUR CITY LACKS.

UM, WE LOOK AT OUR NEIGHBOR LABORING CITIES LIKE WINTER PARK AND, UH, COMMUNITY DIRECTOR JIM BOX DOES A REALLY GREAT JOB AT LIKE, GIVING, GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY AND JUST IMPLEMENTING THIS.

YOU KNOW, AND I THINK LOOKING BACK AT OUR, SORRY, AT OUR LAST MEETING AND IMPLEMENTING THAT INTO THIS NEW IDEA IS A GREAT ADDITIONAL THING THAT OUR CITY LACKS.

UM, MAYBE YOU GUYS, I MEAN, WE'RE ALL GROWN HERE, SO MAYBE WE DON'T SEE IT AS LIKE SUCH AN AMAZING THING.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOUR THOUGHT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE, BUT FOR KIDS, THIS IS A SUPER GREAT IDEA.

IT WORKS ALL ACROSS.

UM, UH, LOS ANGELES DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB.

THEY HAVE THEIR, I BELIEVE IT'S THEIR CALIFORNIA SCIENCE CENTER THAT DOES THIS EXHIBITION ALWAYS BRINGS IN A GREAT AMOUNT OF REVENUE, AND IT, IT JUST HAS A SENSE OF COMMUNITY ATTACHED TO IT.

UM, OUR LOGO IS A CARING COMMUNITY, AND SO I THINK THIS ALSO EMBODIES THAT, THAT WE'RE GIVING BACK TO THE KIDS.

UM, I PERSONALLY, UM, WORK AT MY LOCAL CHURCH, UM, AS A CHILDREN'S DIRECTOR, AND I CAN DEFINITELY SEE THIS BEING SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD BENEFIT GREATLY FROM, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I'M COMPLETELY SOLD BY THE IDEA AND I'M SURE WERE THERE MORE PARENTS IN THE AUDIENCE? THEY WOULD DEFINITELY BE ADVOCATING FOR THIS PROJECT.

UM, HE MENTIONED THAT BACK IN THE DAY.

IT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST 52, I THINK HE SAID.

UM, SO SOMEONE TOOK A, UH, SOMEONE PIONEERED THIS, WE TOOK A CHANCE AND IT EV EVERYBODY NOW LIKE WE THINK OF THE MUSEUM AND IT'S LIKE, OH, THE TRAINS, RIGHT? WE ALL RESONATE WITH THIS.

SO I THINK THERE'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ALSO, UM, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF BEING ABLE TO SAY, WE, WE WERE PART OF THIS, THE, THE CITY OF LA HABRA HATS HIS NAME ATTACHED TO THIS.

SO HOPEFULLY IT MADE SENSE.

BUT YEAH.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT, UH, HOW DO WE CREATE MORE SENSORY FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENTS FOR OUR COMMUNITY? THEY'VE ASKED HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, CREATE A MORE INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY FOR THOSE WHO ARE DISABLED, NOT JUST FOR CHILDREN, BUT FOR ADULTS.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS ITEM? ALL SEE NONE.

I WILL ASK FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION INTERACTION.

MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND START THE DISCUSSION, IF THAT'S OKAY.

PLEASE.

UH, I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY, UH, BELIEVE IN THIS PROJECT.

UH, I ALSO BELIEVE IN SENSORY FRIENDLY.

IN FACT, THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM HAS BEEN ON BOARD OFFERING CERTAIN DAYS FOR SENSORY FRIENDLY, AND I'VE BEEN WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH DESIREE MOOZON, UM, WHO DOES THINGS MORE AT A COUNTY LEVEL WITH, WITH THE MOMS ORGANIZATION.

AND I, UM, KNOW THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THAT TO, TO THE BENEFIT AS WELL.

BUT THOSE OF US WHO, WHO KNOW KENT ROBERTS, I, I WAS THE FIRST RECIPIENT OF THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM HAVING TO BEEN BACK IN, UH, FOURTH GRADE.

MY CLASSROOM WAS THERE ON OPENING DAY.

I GOT TO DANCE IN OPENING DAY, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.

AND IT IS JUST A CROWN JEWEL OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE CONTINUALLY HAVE TO BE LIKE DISNEYLAND AND UPDATE IT.

AND, UH, THIS IS JUST A, A WONDERFUL PROJECT COMING TO US.

UH, THOSE OF US KNOW KENT ROBERTS FOR YEARS.

HE'S A DOER IN THE COMMUNITY.

HE'S A MOVER, HE'S A SHAKER, AND HE PUTS HIS MONEY WHERE HIS MOUTH IS.

HE'S DONATED MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, HE AND HIS WIFE DOROTHY, UH, FOR PROJECTS THAT THEY, THEY SEE FIT TO, TO BENEFIT THE COMMUNITY.

AND THEY'RE TWO OF THE MOST GIVING INDIVIDUALS THAT I KNOW OPENING UP THEIR DOORS, UH, TO RAISE MONEY IF THEY HAVE TO.

AND, UH, AND KENT JUST HAS A WEALTH OF INDIVIDUALS THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE CAN BRING TO THE TABLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

SO, I, I, I'M, YOU GOT ME ON BOARD.

I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT ADDITION TO THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE? UH, MADAM MAYOR, I, I, I AM DESPERATE, UH, IN A WAY TO, TO SEE THIS PROJECT COME THROUGH.

IT'S, MANY OF OUR FAMILIES HAVE BEEN IN LA HARE

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UH, I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M ASKING THESE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO, BECAUSE OF HOW SUCCESSFUL I WANNA SEE THIS PROJECT BECOME.

UM, I, UH, I'M, I'M CURIOUS TO HEAR MORE FROM THE RESIDENTS AS WELL.

I MEAN, I, I, I FULLY SUPPORT IT AS WELL, BUT AT SIMULTANEOUSLY, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOME OF THE FEEDBACK FROM OUR RESIDENTS.

I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE, THIS, THIS, THESE, THESE, UM, I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T WANNA CALL 'EM BLUEPRINTS, BUT THESE DESIGN CONCEPTS AND I MEAN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY GONNA PUT LA HABRA ON THE MAP AGAIN, AGAIN.

SO I JUST WANT TO JUST MAKE THOSE COMMENTS AND, UM, AND REALLY WANNA SEE THE SUCCESS OF THIS.

SO, OKAY, WELL, IT'S MAGICAL, IT'S MYSTICAL, IT'S MARVELOUS, IT'S MAGNIFICENT.

BUT WILL IT WORK? SO HERE'S THE THING.

I'M JUST AS ENTRANCED AND ENCHANTED BY THIS AS MY COLLEAGUES ARE UP HERE, AND, UH, PROBABLY AS THE AUDIENCES AS WELL, I'M ALSO A REALIST.

SO I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINABILITY AND VIABILITY.

I MEAN, THE PEOPLE HAVE TRIED THIS KIND OF THING THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AT VARIOUS POINTS IN TIME.

SOME HAVE MADE IT PROBABLY THE SLIGHT MAJORITY HASN'T.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT THE UPSIDE OF THIS IS TO ME.

OKAY? LET'S JUST SAY IN THE UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCE THAT THE BUSINESS MODEL DOESN'T PAN OUT, IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, AFTER A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS, WHICH I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN BECAUSE WITH KENT ROBERTS AT THE HELM, THE ODDS OF THAT ARE FAR REDUCED.

BUT IF THAT DOES HAPPEN, THE CITY STILL WILL HAVE A NEW 2000, 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING ANNEX TO THE CHILDREN'S MUSEUM THAT CAN STILL BE USED.

AND I SAW SOME OF THE PICTURES OF ANNIVERSARIES, BIRTHDAYS, BAR MITZVAHS, YOU NAME IT, THAT'S STILL ACCESSIBLE TO THE PEOPLE OF LAHABRA.

AND RIGHT NOW THE COMMUNITY CENTER IS LARGELY FULLY BOOKED AND THE ATRIUM IS EXTREMELY, UH, WELL BOOKED.

SO THAT IS THE UPSIDE TO EVEN THIS, UH, CONCEPT NOT WORKING OUT.

ALTHOUGH I VERY MUCH HOPE IT DOES.

SO, YOU KNOW, I, KENT, IT'S, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE MR. DISNEY, YOU REALLY ARE.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALL THIS.

OBVIOUSLY I SUPPORT, THERE'S THREE PARTS OF THIS FINDING ON THIS ITEM.

AND I SUPPORT A, I SUPPORT B.

THE ONLY THING I WAS GOING TO SHARE TO MY COLLEAGUES IS BECAUSE THE FINANCIALS OF THIS ARE SO OPAQUE AND UNCERTAIN, I WAS GONNA SAY, OKAY, 50,000, WE'LL CAP IT AT THAT FOR PLANS AND DESIGNS.

THAT'S GREAT.

BUT THE 400,000 COMMITMENT, THAT'S CARBON STONE, I WOULD SUGGEST MAYBE WE KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD JUST A BIT.

AND MAYBE LET'S LOOK AT THE PLANS AND DESIGNS.

BECAUSE IF THIS THING LOOKS LIKE ALL OF A SUDDEN, FORGIVE ME, KENT, BUT THIS THING ALL OF A SUDDEN, OH MY GOSH, IT'S GONNA COST $4 MILLION, 5 MILLION, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING INSANE.

YOU KNOW, THEN WE'RE NOT CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED UNTIL THAT POINT.

SO, I MEAN, IF I WERE TO MAKE THE MOTION, AND I'LL DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES ON THIS, ABSOLUTELY, BUT MY MOTION MIGHT INCLUDE A AND B AND THEN POSTPONE C UNTIL WE SEE PLANS AND DESIGNS.

'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HELP PAY FOR THAT.

WE'RE PAYING FOR HALF THE PLANTS AND DESIGNS, BUT WHEN THAT TIME COMES, WE CAN SEE EXACTLY, OKAY, ARE WE IN THE BALLPARK OR NOT? BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT.

WELL, YOU, YOU BOUGHT UP THE, UH, ORIGINAL PLANTS COSTING ABOUT 50,000 AND SEEING IF WE COULD POSSIBLY LOWER THAT.

IS THERE A WAY IN WHICH WE CAN PROBABLY CONSIDER GETTING AHEAD OF THAT NOW AS OPPOSED TO SAYING APPROVING 50 AND MAYBE DOING MAYBE 45? UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE FOR MR. ROBERTS, HE, HE FEELS PRETTY CONFIDENT IT'S GONNA BE LESS THAN 50.

YEAH, I MEAN, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, LESS THAN A HUNDRED AND WE'RE PAYING THE 50 OF IT.

I MEAN, THAT'S UP TO YOU.

I'LL, I'LL SUPPORT OTHER ONE.

I WAS ASKING HIM, BECAUSE I HEARD, I THOUGHT THAT KENT HAD SAID AT SOME POINT, WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA COST A HUNDRED, IT'S GONNA COST SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.

RIGHT? SO THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT THAT UP THINKING, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN CAP OUR TAXPAYER DOLLAR INFUSION AT ABOUT 30,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, JIM'S, RIGHT? AND THAT'S QUIBBLING A BIT.

SO I'VE GOT NO MAJOR OBJECTION TO SAYING, OKAY, CAPTIVE 50,000.

BUT, UH, BUT THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING IS THAT IT'D BE NICE TO REALLY SEE WHAT THIS IS.

AND WE, WE SEE A VERY, YOU KNOW, BACK OF THE NAPKIN KIND OF DRAWING, AND WE WERE JUST UNSURE ABOUT THE COST INITIALLY.

THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WOOD BUILDING.

NOW IT'S GONNA BE A PREFAB STEEL STRUCTURE, WHICH IS LESS, BUT I WOULD KIND OF LIKE TO SEE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND ALSO HOW COHERENT AND COHESIVE IT IS TO THE MUSEUM STRUCTURE AS WELL, BEFORE WE SAY, OKAY, GUARANTEED CONTRACTUALLY WE'RE IN IT FOR 400,000.

I THINK WE LIKELY WOULD BE, IF YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH, NO, I, I I WOULD BE, BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE MIGHT BE GETTING A LITTLE AHEAD OF OURSELVES WITH ITEM C, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU AGREE.

I, I THINK THAT I'LL BE GETTING OVER MY HEAD HERE.

I MEAN, A A AGAIN, WITH THE WHOLE EXCITEMENT OF THIS, AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO SEE THIS HAPPEN, BUT OF COURSE I DON'T WANT THAT EXCITEMENT TO OUTWEIGH FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.

SO YOU WANT ME TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH.

APPROPRIATION AND AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO HALF THE COST NOT TO EXCEED $50,000, WHICHEVER IS LOWER FROM AVAILABLE CITY FACILITY IMPROVEMENT RESERVES FOR SITE PLANS, ARCHITECTURAL DESIGNS, AND BUILDING PLANS FOR THE PROPOSED NEW BUILDING.

THEN I WOULD MOVE TO APPROVE, HOLD ON, LEMME GET MY GLASSES.

I WOULD'VE MOVED TO APPROVE THE FINAL SITE LOCATION FOR THE PROPOSED IMMERSION THEATER BUILDING.

AND I ALSO APPROVE A FUNDING

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LET'S TAKE 'EM ONE BY ONE IF WE CAN.

DO WE NEED TO DO THAT? I'LL SECOND THAT ONE FOR 50,000.

WELL, WELL, LET ME ASK YOU, IS THAT THE EXTENT OF YOUR MOTION OR YOU DON'T WANNA MAKE A MOTION FOR C YET? WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

I, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE ADVICE ON C THEN.

I MEAN, THAT'S MY MOTION TO APPROVE A AND B.

NOW, CI DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BODY OF THAT MOTION WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M SAYING LET'S NOT CONTRACTUALLY COMMIT TO NIGHT UNTIL WE SEE PLANS AND DESIGNS.

SO CAN WE HOLD OFF ONCE? IS THAT EVEN? WELL, LET, LET'S, LET'S VOTE ON, UH, IF THAT, OKAY.

MAYOR, CAN WE VOTE ON A AND B? AND THEN WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GO WITH C.

YES, THERE'S BEEN A MOTION, BUT THE MOTION HASN'T RECEIVED.

A SECOND.

I HAVE A SECOND.

A AND C, A AND B.

WOULD THE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE? OKAY.

I WOULD GO AHEAD AND LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AS A CITY FUNDING COMMITMENT FOR THE PROJECT AND THE AMOUNT OF $400,000 THAT WILL BE USED TO HELP CONSTRUCT THE NEW PROPOSED BUILDING SUBJECT TO THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW A FINAL BUILDING PLAN AND DESIGN FUTURE DATE, AND A SUBJECT TO FULL PRIVATE PROJECT FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT BEING SECURED PRIOR TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S CONTRIBUTION BEING UTILIZED.

AND I FEEL IT KIND OF COVERS IT ALL THERE, UM, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH, DARREN, BUT THAT'S MY MOTION.

I'LL SECOND.

TO THE MAYOR'S COMMUNITY CALENDAR, WHICH, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER NAZARIAN WILL HELP ME WITH THAT.

WOULD THE COUNCIL PLEASE VOTE? AND FOR CLARIFICATION, THE FIRST MOTION WAS APPROVED FOR ZERO SECOND MOTION REGARDING ITEM C CARRIED FOUR ZERO.

GO FIND THAT MONEY.

KENT.

GO FIND THAT MONEY, MY FRIEND.

YOU BETTER MAKE IT WORK, KENT.

I BELIEVE IN YOU, SIR.

BE GOOD.

THANK YOU FOR HELPING THEM.

AND WE WILL NOW PROCEED

[ MAYOR'S COMMUNITY CALENDAR:]

FIRST OF ALL, VINCE SCULLY CENTENNIAL PARK.

PLEASE JOIN US FOR THE VIN SCULLY CENTENNIAL PARK.

GRAND OPENING IS SATURDAY NOVEMBER 8TH AT 9:00 AM OUR NEWEST PARK IS LOCATED AT 1001 WEST LAS LOMA DRIVE AND WILL FEATURE AN ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND, SPORTS COURTS, AND THE CITY'S FIRST EVER DOG PARK.

WHO'S HAPPY ABOUT THAT? HEY, EVERYBODY, VETERANS DAY CELEBRATION.

THIS YEAR'S VETERANS DAY CELEBRATION WILL BE HELD AT THE COLEMAN CENTER OF OUR LADY OF GUADALUPE CATHOLIC CHURCH.

NEXT TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH, JOIN US AS WE CELEBRATE AND HONOR OUR VETERANS IN OBSERVANCE OF THE UPCOMING VETERANS DAY.

HOLIDAY CITY HALL WILL BE CLOSED ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 11TH, AND RESUME REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH.

THE SENIOR THANKSGIVING DANCE WILL BE HELD ON SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 16TH FROM 2:00 PM UNTIL 4:00 PM ENJOY LIVE MUSIC, RAFFLES, DANCING, AND DINNER DUE TO CONSTRUCTION AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

THIS DANCE WILL BE HELD AT LA HARBOR CITY HALL WITH LIMITED CAPACITY AND PRE-SALE TICKETS.

ONLY JOIN THE CITY OF LAHABRA FOR A DAY TRIP TO THE SAWDUST ART FESTIVAL IN LAGUNA BEACH ON SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 29TH.

COST IS $60 PER PERSON.

AND COMING UP, JOIN US FOR THE 12TH ANNUAL LAHABRA TAMALE FESTIVAL ON SATURDAY, DECEMBER 6TH FROM 10:00 AM UNTIL 8:00 PM EVENT WILL BE HELD ON EUCLID STREET BETWEEN LAHABRA BOULEVARD AND EAST BRIDEN, BECKER AVENUE AND PORTOLA PARK.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETS ON THE SECOND AND FOURTH MONDAY OF EACH MONTH AT 6:30 PM IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER.

THE COMMUNITY SERVICES COMMISSION MEETS ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH AT 6:30 PM IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBER.

AND FINALLY, WATER CONSERVATION EFFORTS ARE STILL ENFORCED AND CALIFORNIANS ARE BEING ASKED TO CONSERVE WATER.

THAT'S IT, MRS. MS. MAYOR.

I BELIEVE SO.

UM, DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE STAFF?

[ COMMENTS FROM STAFF:]

UH, YES, MADAM MAYOR.

UM, IN LIGHT OF A, A VERY EXCITING WORLD SERIES THAT ENDED THIS LAST WEEKEND, ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS, UH, GO ANGELS.

, COUNCIL

[ COMMENTS FROM COUNCILMEMBERS:]

MEMBER LAKIN.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

UM, SO WHERE DO I START HERE? SO, UM, I, ON OCTOBER 23RD, I, I ATTENDED THE, UH, ORANGE COUNTY LIBRARY ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.

AND, UH, PART OF MY, ONE OF MY DUTIES OR COLLATERALS BEING ON COUNCIL IS TO BE A REPRESENTATIVE FOR OUR CITY.

AND I ACTUALLY HAPPEN TO ALSO BE ON THE BOARD AS WELL.

AND, UM, PART OF THAT ROLE IS TO ADVOCATE FOR OUR CITY.

AND SO, UM, MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT STATUS OF THE LIBRARY.

THE LIBRARY IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

IT'S COMING ALONG PRETTY WELL

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FOR THE MOST PART.

IF I COULD DESCRIBE IT IN SUMMARY, IT'S JUST BEING GUTTED OUT AT THE MOMENT.

IT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S GUTTED OUT AT, AT AT THIS MOMENT.

BUT WITH THAT, SOME OF YOU HAVE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, UM, THE DROPBOX THAT'S OUT IN FRONT.

UH, IT IS STILL BEING UTILIZED.

THE ORANGE COUNTY LIBRARY DOES STILL PICK UP BOOKS THERE, UM, UH, EVERY DAY.

SO IF YOU NEED TO DROP OFF ANY BOOKS OR RETURN ANYTHING, PLEASE DO SO THERE.

BUT ALSO, THE ORANGE COUNTY LIBRARY HAS A MOBILE LIBRARY SERVICE AT TWO LOCATIONS WITHIN OUR CITY, THE FIRST ONE, UH, WHILE THE, WHILE THE LIBRARY IS CURRENTLY CLOSED AT EL CENTRAL ALLIANCES PARK.

AND THAT'S EVERY THURSDAY, UH, FROM 10:00 AM TO 11:30 AM AND, UH, FOR THOSE THAT NEED THE ADDRESS FOR EL CENTRAL ALLIANCES PARK, IT'S 3 3 2 0 EAST ERNA AVE.

THE SECOND LOCATION'S AT THE, UM, THE HARBOR BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.

AND, UH, THAT ONE IS ACTUALLY HELD ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF THE MONTH.

UM, THAT ONE IS OPEN FROM 2:30 PM TO 4:00 PM.

UH, AND THE ADDRESS THERE IS 1 2 1 1, UH, UH, INGER WAY.

SO IF YOU HAVE ANY BOOKS THAT YOU WANNA RETURN OR IF YOU HAVE ANY DUES THAT YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF, OR IF YOU WANNA CHECK OUT SOME BOOKS, ESPECIALLY ELECTRONIC ONES, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT THOSE TWO LOCATIONS THERE.

UM, ALSO WE HAVE, UH, ELECTIONS, UH, TOMORROW.

AND SO MANY OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THE DROPBOX.

I ACTUALLY DID PUT OUT A SOCIAL MEDIA PUBLICATION ON THAT.

UM, THE DROPBOX HAS TEMPORARILY BEEN RELOCATED JUST A FEW YARDS AWAY FROM WHERE IT ORIGINALLY SITS IN FRONT OF THE LIBRARY.

SO IT'S ACTUALLY ON EARNER STREET RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE, UH, LIONS PARK, UH, SIGN.

UM, AS FAR AS THE LIBRARY STUFF, I WILL BE PUTTING OUT A SOCIAL MEDIA, UH, POSTING ABOUT THAT FOR ANYONE WHO MISSED THAT.

UM, AND THEN I'LL ALSO BE POSTING SOME PICTURES AS WELL AS WHAT THE INTERIOR CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE AS WELL.

UH, I WANNA SAY HAPPY HALLOWEEN.

I KNOW IT'S A FEW DAYS LATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING SO, UH, UNTIL NOW.

SO I WANNA SAY HAPPY HALLOWEEN.

I HOPE IT WAS ENJOYABLE, UH, AND SAFE FOR EVERYONE.

UM, AND THEN ALSO ON OCTOBER 25TH, I ATTENDED THE LAHABRA COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE.

UM, SECOND TIME I'VE, THIRD TIME I'VE, I'VE ATTENDED IT.

AND, UH, AGAIN, IT WAS, IT WAS GREAT.

THIS IS FOR THE FIRST TIME I ACTUALLY GOT TO GO INTO THE HAUNTED HOUSE.

I AM A BIT DISAPPOINTED, HOWEVER, THEY TOLD ME THERE WAS A SPICY VERSION OF THE HAUNTED HOUSE.

I DIDN'T GET TO GO, I DIDN'T ACTUALLY GET, GET THE SPICY VERSION.

I GOT THE REGULAR VERSION.

SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SPICY VERSION NEXT YEAR THERE.

UM, WHAT ELSE? OCTOBER 30TH, I ATTENDED THE CITY HALLOWEEN, UM, UH, DAY.

AND, UM, KUDOS TO THE CITY STAFF FOR THE AMAZING, UH, DECOR YOU GUYS PUT UP AND THE, AND THE HALLOWEEN COSTUMES YOU GUYS HAD FOR OUR CHILDREN OF, OF LAJA WHO CAME TO SEE, UM, TO, TO COME TO, TO OUR CITY HALL AND, UH, COLLECT CANDY.

AND, UH, I GOT TO DRESS UP AS BLACK PANTHER.

SO, UH, THE ONE TIME I ACTUALLY GET TO PUT ON THAT COSTUME, IT'S PRETTY COOL.

UM, AND THEN, UH, I WANT TO THANK THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME IN EARLIER FROM BOY SCOUT TROOPS 7 1 0, WHO JUST, YOU KNOW, INQUIRED ABOUT AGENDA NUMBER 11 OR AGENDA, UH, AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 11 ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR.

UM, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WELCOME ANYONE THAT WANTS TO LEARN ABOUT GOVERNMENT AND LEARN HOW WE FUNCTION AS A CITY.

UM, LASTLY, I WANT TO EXPRESS MY CONDOLENCES, UH, TO THE FAMILY, FRIENDS, AND PROFESSIONAL BRETHRENS OF, UM, SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY DEPUTY SHERIFF ANDREW NUNEZ, UM, WHO WAS KILLED IN A LINE OF DUTY RECENTLY.

UM, AND AS SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN ON THE NEWS, UH, UH, WHEN THIS OCCURRED, IT THEN TURNED INTO A PURSUIT OF A MOTORCYCLIST ON THE FREEWAY.

UM, ANDREW NUNEZ, UH, UH, WAS A SIX YEAR VETERAN, UH, IN LAW ENFORCEMENT WITH SAN BERNARD, SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

AND, UM, HE WAS RESPONDING TO A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALL.

AND FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT KNOW IN OUR PROFESSION, UH, DOMESTIC VIOLENCE CALLS ARE ACTUALLY THE MOST DANGEROUS CALLS THAT WE RESPOND TO, UM, BECAUSE THEY COULD BE SO VOLATILE AND, AND, AND, YOU KNOW, EMOTIONS ARE HIGH.

UM, DEPUTY NUNEZ LEAVES BEHIND, UH, A LEGACY THROUGH HIS, HIS WIFE AND, UH, HIS 2-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, SALLY, A DAUGHTER THAT IS, UM, OR A SECOND CHILD THAT IS COMING IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS.

AND SO, UM, WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

MADAM MAYOR.

COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ.

UH, I HAVE NOTHING, MADAM MAYOR.

HOW HE LIKED BEING HERE AT THIS COSTCO.

UM, TUESDAY, OCTOBER THE 21ST, I HAD THE, UH, PRIVILEGE OF BEING A GUEST SPEAKER AT LOS POCITO SCHOOL.

I, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER THE 22ND, I ATTENDED, I AM THE, UH, ON THE HOMELESS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND ATTENDED THE BRIDGES OF KRAMER MEETING IN BELLA PARK.

UH, THURSDAY, UM, OCTOBER THE 23RD, I HAD AN ONLINE ZOOM MEETING HERE, OG, ORANGE COUNTY COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT, FOLLOWED BY THE ROTARY CLUB MEETING FRIDAY, OCTOBER THE 24TH.

AND THERE WAS SOME OF US HERE THAT ATTENDED THE COSTCO 20TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION.

AND, UH, I DID ASK, UM, THE MANAGER THERE

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HE SAYS, YOU KNOW, I GET DIFFERENT VIBES HERE IN THE CITY.

UM, I'VE BEEN AT CITIES IN, UH, AT COSTCOS, IN INGLEWOOD AND, UH, CERRITOS OR CYPRUS.

AND, UH, HE SAYS, THIS IS DIFFERENT.

THIS IS, THIS IS, UH, PEOPLE, PEOPLE REALLY, THEY FREQUENT THE COSTCO.

THEY, THEY CALL ME BY MY FIRST NAME.

THEY KNOW ME.

HE SAYS, UM, OFTEN, AND, AND THE OTHER LOCATION, MAYBE I'LL SEE THE PERSON ONCE OR TWICE, BUT I WON'T SEE 'EM AFTER THAT.

HE GOES, BUT EVERYONE COMES IN AND THEY'RE REPEATERS.

THEY COME IN AND HE GOES, IT REALLY FEELS LIKE A SMALL COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, I JUST WANTED TO PASS THAT ON BECAUSE IT IS, UH, THIS IS WHAT COMMUNITY DOES.

THEY'RE THERE.

IT FEELS LIKE A SMALL TOWN COMMUNITY AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE OUR COMMUNITY.

SO, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY.

UM, OCTOBER THE 25TH, I ALSO ATTENDED THE COMMUNITY OPEN HOUSE AS WELL AS A COUNCIL MEMBER NAZARIAN DID.

AND YES, THE SCARY ONE DID SCARE ME.

I WAS REALLY, REALLY SCARED.

SO I SCREAMED SO MUCH .

I THINK THEY WANTED TO HEAR ME SCREAM AGAIN THAT THEY RAN OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE AND JUMPED OUT IN FRONT OF ME AGAIN.

SO I SAID, I'VE HAD ENOUGH.

THAT'S NOT GOOD.

I'M NOT GONNA GO TO THE SCARY ONE ANYMORE.

THEN, UH, OCTOBER THE 26TH, SUNDAY, OCTOBER THE 26TH, COUNCIL MEMBER GOMEZ AND I ATTENDED THE SENIOR DANCE.

UH, IT WAS INCREDIBLE.

UM, IT'S TRUE WHAT THEY SAY, LIFE IS GREATER LATER.

IT WAS AWESOME.

THE PEOPLE WERE HAVING SO MUCH FUN.

UM, AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THEIR THANKSGIVING ONE AS WELL.

I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE A TIGHT SPACE, BUT, UH, THEY REALLY, REALLY DO ENJOY IT, AND THEY LIKE THE HOUR OF THE EVENT.

SO I'M HAPPY, WE'RE HAPPY TO BE THERE WHEN THEY ARE THERE.

ON, UH, WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER, UM, OCTOBER THE 27TH, I THINK IT WAS, UH, WE HAD AN ECONOMIC PRESENTATION HERE BY HDL, WHICH WAS HERE AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER.

I JUST QUICKLY CAME, UH, TO SAY, SAY HI, BUT THEN I WENT OVER TO THE, OR I HAD TO DRIVE TO THE, OR THE OLD ORANGE COUNTY COURTHOUSE IN SANTA ANA FOR A PRESS CONFERENCE HELD BY THE ORANGE COUNTY AUDITOR CONTROLLER THAT WAS PRESENTING A CHECK OF UNCLAIMED PROPERTY.

UH, THAT BELONGED TO OUR, OUR AGENCY OF A LITTLE OVER $8,000.

SO I WAS HAPPY TO BE THERE FOR THE PRESS CONFERENCE.

AND THEN FROM THERE I WENT TO THE SANTA ANA STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS SINCE I WAS THERE IN THAT AREA.

AND THEN THO THURSDAY, OCTOBER THE 30TH, OF COURSE THE HALLOWEEN AND CITY HALL, UH, YOU GUYS OUGHT TO COME IN DURING THAT HOUR.

IT IS FANTASTIC TO SEE JUST, UM, THE COMPETITION WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT, BY THE WAY, WHO WON, UH, ENGINEERING DIVISION, UH, BEING THAT THEY'RE BUILDERS, UH, WON THE BEST DECORATED.

UM, THE, UH, ONE OF OUR POLICE, UH, OFFICERS, JIM GERE WON BEST SOLO, UH, COSTUME.

I, I WILL NOT SAY WHAT HE WAS DRESSED AS.

UM, AND THE BEST GROUP, UH, COMPETITION FOR COSTUMES WAS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT.

THEY CAME AS A HAUNTED, UM, DINER STAFF.

IT WAS VERY WELL DONE.

YES, YES, YES.

IT IS.

IT, IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE THE SPIRIT OF IT ALL.

AND IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE MEL SHANNON COME BACK.

EXACTLY.

UM, BECAUSE HE LOVES, THIS IS A SPECIAL DAY FOR HIM.

HE LOVES TO, TO COMPETE AND HE LOVES TO REALLY MAKE IT LOOK, UH, AS YOU WOULD, YOU KNOW, FOR HALLOWEEN.

SO I, I WAS GLAD TO SEE HIM THERE.

UH, WITH THAT, I'M SORRY I WAS SICK, BUT, UM, I THANK ALL EV ALL OF YOU FOR HELPING ME OUT WITH A COUNCIL MEETING.

I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

AND THANK YOU FOR STAYING SO LATE WITH US.

IT IS LATE FOR US, YOU KNOW, BUT THE MEETING IS NOW.

I I GOT A COUPLE, OH, I'M SORRY.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

THAT'S OKAY.

IT WAS JUST IMPORTANT FOR ME TO SAY THAT I DID IN FACT ENJOY THE SPICY ADULT VERSION OF THE HAUNTED JAIL.

I MISSED IT.

YOU INVITED ME TO GO TO THAT PART OF IT.

JUST FOR, JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR THE RECORD, SPICY ADULT WAS JUST SCARIER.

SO I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

I DON'T WANT TO GET A BUNCH OF CALLS TO CITY HALL ABOUT, I PROMISE YOU HAVE SAID ANYTHING SPICY ADULT ONE.

IT WAS REALLY SCARY.

YEAH, WELL, VERSUS NOT SO SCARY DEL AND SPICY, I CONSIDER IT THE ADULT VERSION.

SO IT SCARY, YOU KNOW, BUT IT, IT WAS SCARY.

IF I HAD FALSE TEETH, THEY WOULD'VE COME OUT.

SO YEAH, THERE YOU GO.

THERE YOU GO.

BUT IT WAS GREAT.

AND THE CITY HALLOWEEN EVENT WAS REMARKABLE.

WHEN YOU SEE HUNDREDS OF KIDS THAT PUT SUCH ENORMOUS TIME, ENERGY, AND EFFORT INTO THEIR COSTUMES, AND THE CITY JUST KNOCKS THEMSELVES OUT.

ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS KNOCK THEMSELVES OUT FOR THESE KIDS.

SO IT WAS MAGNIFICENT.

I ENJOYED THAT ECONOMIC FORUM AGAIN ON THE 29TH.

UH, ROSE WAS THERE.

I WAS THERE.

AND WHO ELSE WAS THERE? NOT YOU, BUT ANYWAY, JOSE WAS THERE, MAYOR PRO, TAM MADANO WAS THERE.

AGAIN, ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF OUR CONTINUING COMMITMENT TO THE WELFARE AND OF OUR LOCAL BUSINESS AND TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO THRIVE.

IT WAS, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT.

UH, CONGRATULATIONS TO NICO SUSHI, WHICH, UH, REOPENED AT THEIR NEW LOCATION.

COSTCO WAS

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ANOTHER GREAT THING.

20 YEARS COSTCO WAS FANTASTIC.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE EXCEPT TO REALLY ENCOURAGE FOLKS IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, TO PLEASE JOIN US ON SATURDAY FOR THE VINCE SCULLY CENTENNIAL PARK.

GRAND OPENING RIBBON CUTTING.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE THINGS FROM TIME TO TIME, BUT, UH, THIS IS GONNA BE THE GRANDDADDY OF 'EM ALL BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS 17 ACRE WONDERFUL PARK IS SOMETHING WE'RE JUST ENORMOUSLY PROUD OF.

UH, YOU'LL BE BLOWN AWAY IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

IT'S NINE O'CLOCK, IS IT JUDGE? YES.

NINE O'CLOCK ON SATURDAY MORNING.

SO IF AT ALL POSSIBLE, PLEASE JOIN US THERE.

IT'S GONNA BE A GREAT LITTLE EVENT.

AND THAT'S ALL I GOT.