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WAVING HER ARMS AT[ LA HABRA PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA REGULAR MEETING MONDAY, MAY 11, 2026 6:30 P.M. COUNCIL CHAMBER 100 EAST LA HABRA BOULEVARD LA HABRA, CALIFORNIA 90631 Please note that should all business not be concluded by 10:00 p.m., the Chair shall either authorize an extension of time to said meeting or continue all unfinished items to a future meeting, date certain, or date uncertain.]
ME, SO I GUESSALL RIGHT, WE'LL CALL THE MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO ORDER.
WILL THE AUDIENCE PLEASE STAND AND JOIN? COMMISSIONER MAHAKA IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PLACE YOUR HAND OVER YOUR HEART.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WHICH STANDS, NATION UNDERGRAD UNDER INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
WILL THE SECRETARY PLEASE CALL THE ROLE CHAIR? CHAIR RAMSON.
HERE, COMMISSIONER LOGAN CANNON.
HERE, LET, LET THE RECORD SHOW THAT THE VICE CHAIR CARDINI HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.
UH, WE WILL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR SPEAKING TIME AND NOT BE GRANTED IN OUR LOAN TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL.
FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
THE JOURNAL PUBLIC COMMENT PORTION OF THE MEETING ALLOWS THE PUBLIC TO ADDRESS ANY ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR OR OF CITY BUSINESS NOT APPEARING ON THE SCHEDULED AGENDA PER GOVERNMENT CODE SECTION 5 4 9 5 4 0.3 A.
SUCH COMMENTS SHALL NOT BE RESPONDED TO BY THE GOVERNING BODY DURING THE MEETING, DO WE HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WISHES TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION ITEM, ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR OR ITEM NOT APPEARING ON THE AGENDA? OKAY.
SEEING NONE, WE WILL NOW CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
ALL MATTERS ON CONSENT CALENDAR ARE CONSIDERED TO BE ROUTINE AND WILL BE ENACTED BY ONE MOTION UNLESS A COMMISSIONER OR CITY STAFF MEMBER REQUESTS SEPARATE ACTION OR REMOVAL OF AN ITEM REMOVED, ITEMS WILL BE CONSIDERED FOLLOWING THE CONSENT CALENDAR PORTION OF THIS AGENDA.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 30 MINUTES PER ITEM THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED FOR SEPARATE DISCUSSION, UNLESS OTHERWISE MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR.
SPEAKING TIME MAY NOT BE GRANTED IN OR LOANED TO ANOTHER INDIVIDUAL FOR PURPOSES OF EXTENDING AVAILABLE SPEAKING TIME AND COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
OKAY, BEFORE THE COMMISSION AT THIS TIME IS THE CONSENT CALENDAR, WHICH INCLUDES THE MINUTES OF APRIL 13TH, 2026.
THE ITEM WILL BE APPROVED WITH ONE VOTE UNLESS THE ITEM IS REMOVED.
FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, DO ANY OF THE COMMISSIONERS OR STAFF WISH TO REMOVE THE ITEM? NO.
MAY I HAVE A, A MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
UM, SO IF EVERYBODY WILL VOTE, MOTION PASSES.
WE'LL NOW MOVE TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
THE PROCEDURES WILL BE AS FOLLOWS.
THE CHAIR WILL INTRODUCE THE ITEM AND THEN STAFF WILL GIVE A REPORT ON THE ITEM.
THOSE WHO WISH TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM WILL BE RECOGNIZED FIRST AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL HEAR FROM THOSE IN OPPOSITION.
REBUTTALS WILL BE ALLOWED ONLY AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CHAIR.
AFTER ALL HAVE SPOKEN, THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AND THE COMMISSION WILL DISCUSS THE MATTER AND TAKE ANY ACTIONS IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE.
IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION, PLEASE FILL OUT A SPEAKER'S CARD AND LEAVE IT AT THE LECTERN.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD TO SPEAK, YOU'LL FIND THE SPEAKER'S CARD CARDS ON THE TABLE AT THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER.
WHEN YOU COME FORWARD, PLEASE IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND SPELL YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE ADDRESS ALL COMMENTS AND QUESTIONS TO THE CHAIR.
THERE SHOULD BE NO DIRECT EXCHANGES BETWEEN MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE.
PUBLIC COMMENTS SHALL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER INDIVIDUAL WITH A TOTAL TIME LIMIT OF 60 MINUTES FOR ALL PUBLIC COMMENTS.
FOR EACH PUBLIC HEARING ITEM ON THE AGENDA, UNLESS MODIFIED BY THE CHAIR, COMMENTS MUST BE KEPT BRIEF, NON-REPETITIVE, AND PROFESSIONAL IN NATURE.
TONIGHT'S FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS A DULY NOTICED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT SEP TWO L 2 6 0 0 0 1 TO CONDUCT A LARGE SCALE SPECIAL EVENT THAT INCLUDES A CIRCUS, A K, A CIRCUS RO, AND AUXILIARY ACTIVITIES AT ONE 15 NORTH HARBOR BOULEVARD AND 1 0 2 1 10 AND 1 26 STEARNS AVENUE.
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DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE FROM THIS ITEM? NO, WE DID NOT.DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? YES, WE DO.
UM, JACOB LINGA, ASSOCIATE PLANNER AND GOOD EVENING PLANNING COMMISSIONERS.
SO THE PROJECT IS SPLIT BETWEEN TWO LOCATIONS.
THERE'S THE MAIN EVENT SPACE THAT'S LOCATED AT THE BIRCH FORD PLAZA.
UM, IT'S A VACANT LOT AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF LAHABRA AND HARBOR BOULEVARDS.
THE PARKING AREA FOR THE EVENT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET NORTHWEST ON ANOTHER VACANT LOT LOCATED IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF STEARNS AVENUE AND SUNSET STREET CIRCUS.
CABALLERO IS A TRAVELING CIRCUS THAT SPECIALIZES IN ACROBATICS, STUNTS AND COMEDY.
THE SHOW DOES NOT INVOLVE ANY ANIMAL PERFORMANCES.
THE CIRCUS IS PROPOSED TO PERFORM FROM JUNE 18TH UNTIL JULY 5TH WITH SHOWTIMES CONSISTENT WITH THE TABLES SHOWN ABOVE.
AND IN THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL RECENTLY, UM, I HAVE BEEN INFORMED THAT MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE SHOWTIMES ARE REQUIRED.
UM, SO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT ARE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO REFLECT THIS CHANGE.
UH, THE PROJECT IS PROPOSED TO BEGIN ITS SETUP ON JUNE 15TH, THREE DAYS BEFORE ITS FIRST PERFORMANCE.
AS A PART OF THIS SETUP PROCESS, THE APPLICANT HAS ENSURED THAT THE PROJECT SITE WILL BE CLEANED UP AND CLEARED OF ANY OVERGROWN VEGETATION AND TRASH.
THE APPLICANT AND THE PROPERTY OWNER ARE WORKING WITH OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT DIVISION TO ENSURE THAT ANY ONGOING ENFORCEMENT CASES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BEFORE THE CIRCUS CREWS BEGIN THEIR EVENT SET UP, UM, TO ADDRESS THE SITE CONDITIONS DURING THE EVENT, THE APPLICANT HAS INFORMED STAFF THAT CIRCUS TRAVELS WITH ITS OWN 40 YARD DUMPSTER, WHICH IS HAULED BY THE CIRCUS TO AN APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR A DISPOSAL.
TRASH CANS ARE GONNA BE PROVIDED FOR ATTENDEES INSIDE AND OUTSIDE OF THE CIRCUS TENT, AND CIRCUS STAFF SWEEP THE AREA AFTER EVERY SHOW TO ENSURE THE CLEANLINESS CLEANUP FOR THE EVENT IS PROPOSED FOR JULY 6TH.
ADDITIONALLY, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN CONDITIONED THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD RETURN THE SITE TO ITS EXISTING CONDITIONS.
THE MAIN EVENT AREA, UM, WILL BE SET UP ON THAT NORTHWEST CORNER OF LAHABRA AND HARBOR BOULEVARDS, AND THIS AREA INCLUDES THE MAIN CIRCUS TENT, UM, SOME RVS THAT ARE USED FOR PERFORMANCE AND TICKET SALES, UH, PORTA-POTTIES AND A GENERATOR INSIDE OF THE CIRCUS TENT IS THE PERFORMANCE AREA.
UM, SOME BLEACHER STANDS A FOOD STAND, UM, EATING AREA AND A BACKSTAGE AREA.
AS PREVIOUSLY STATED, THE EVENT PARKING WILL BE PROVIDED ON A SEPARATE PARCEL THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET AWAY FROM THAT MAIN EVENT SPACE.
UM, ATTENDEES WILL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE EVENT USING THE SIDEWALKS ALONG STEARNS AVENUE AND HARBOR BOULEVARD.
THE PROJECT HAS BEEN CONDITIONED TO PROVIDE TEMPORARY FENCING, UH, BETWEEN THE PROJECT SITES AND THE NEIGHBORING PARCELS LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF HARBOR BOULEVARD AND STEARNS AVENUE.
UM, TO PREVENT ATTENDEES FROM USING THIS PARCEL FOR ACCESS FROM THE PARKING TO THE EVENT SPACE, UM, FOR PARKING, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED A TOTAL OF 127 PARKING SPACES, WHICH, UM, EXCEEDS THE LA HARBOR MUNICIPAL CODES REQUIREMENT OF 106 PARKING SPACES.
117 OF THESE PARKING SPACES ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE DESIGNATED PARKING AREA, UM, WHILE 10 HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE SPACES WILL BE LOCATED ON THE SAME PARCEL AS THE MAIN EVENT SPACE IN FRONT OF THE CIRCUS TENT.
THE PROJECT IS CONDITIONED TO PROVIDE PARKING ATTENDANTS AND SECURITY TO HELP DIRECT THE TRAFFIC INTO THE PROPOSED PARKING SPACES AND TO ENSURE THAT ATTENDEES ARE USING THAT, UH, ACCESS ROUTE TO REACH THE EVENT.
THE PROJECT HAS ALSO BEEN CONDITIONED TO RESTRICT ATTENDEES LEAVING THE PARKING AREA TO ONLY MAKING RIGHT HAND TURNS, UM, TO DIRECT THE TRAFFIC TOWARDS HARBOR BOULEVARD AND OUT OF THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED STAFF NOISE MEASUREMENTS AS WELL TO APPROXIMATE THE IMPACT THAT THE EVENT WILL HAVE ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
UM, DURING THE TESTING THAT WAS DONE AT PREVIOUS SHOW LOCATIONS, SOUND LEVELS WERE AROUND 54 DECIBELS AT 200 FEET FROM THE CIRCUS TENT, 60 DECIBELS AROUND 150 FEET AND ABOUT 65 DECIBELS AT A HUNDRED FEET FROM THAT TENT.
THE AMPLIFIED SOUND, THOUGH, WILL BE INSIDE OF THE TENT ONLY, AND IT WILL ONLY BE HAPPENING DURING THE APPROVED SHOWTIMES WHILE ALSO OUTSIDE OF THE NOISE IMPACT AREA FROM THE CIRCUS TENT.
THE AREAS HIGHLIGHTED IN BLUE ARE RESIDENCES THAT, UM, ARE LOCATED TO THE NORTH, SOUTH, AND WEST OF THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY NOISE FROM PATRONS COMING TO AND LEAVING THE EVENT.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, WHILE THE EXPECTED NOISE LEVELS, UM, DO EXCEED THE THRESHOLD PERMITTED BY THE LA HABER MUNICIPAL CODE, THE PROPOSED EVENT WOULDN'T HAVE NO IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS.
UM, OUR GENERAL PLAN INCLUDES THIS ROADWAY NOISE CONTOUR MAP, WHICH IDENTIFIES THE EXPECTED AMBIENT NOISES FROM THE EXISTING ROADWAYS IN THE AREA.
UM, IN THIS STUDY, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THESE MAJOR CORRIDORS, INCLUDING HARBOR BOULEVARD AND LA HARBOR BOULEVARD, WHERE THIS EVENT IS TAKING PLACE, GENERATE APPROXIMATELY 60 TO 70 DECIBELS OF AMBIENT NOISE.
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SOUND LEVELS WITHIN THIS SAME RANGE, THE EXPECTED NOISE GENERATED, UM, WILL NOT EXCEED THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AND NO ADDITIONAL NOISE IMPACT IS EXPECTED ON THOSE NEARBY RESIDENTS.STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST TO CONDUCT THE LARGE SPECIAL EVENT SUBJECT TO THE REVISED RESOLUTION AND CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL.
STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ARE AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR JACOB? I I HAD ONE QUESTION.
UM, MAYBE YOU MENTIONED IT AND I, I MISSED IT.
WHAT TYPE OF SECURITY DO THEY PROVIDE WHEN THEY'RE DOING THE, THE CIRCUS FOR THE, UH, PEOPLE ATTENDING AND FOR THEMSELVES AND FOR THE PEOPLE THAT RESIDE THERE? DID WE MENTION THAT AND I JUST MISS IT?
YEAH, I THINK IT WAS LIKE SIX OR EIGHT, IF I HAVE THAT CORRECT.
I HAVE, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
UM, SO THIS PARKING LOT IS NOT ACTUALLY REALLY STRIPED.
ARE THEY GONNA BE PROVIDING TEMPORARY STRIPING FOR THESE SPACES? THAT'S CORRECT.
TEMPORARY STRIPING WOULD BE PROVIDED.
AND IN THE STAFF REPORT, I INDICATE THAT THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING IS LOCATED IN FRONT, SOMEWHERE IN FRONT OF THE CIRCUS TENT.
I DON'T SEE ANY DISPLAY THAT SHOWS EXACTLY HOW AND WHERE THAT WOULD BE LOCATED.
DID I MISS THAT? LET ME PULL IT BACK.
UM, IT'S NOT ON THIS SITE PLAN EXACTLY, BUT IT WOULD BE UNDER THE AREA THAT SAYS ENTRANCE.
UM, THAT'S WHERE IT WAS INDICATED THAT THE PARKING WOULD BE.
SO HOW, HOW MANY SPACES ARE THEY PROVIDING? 10.
AND IS THERE GONNA BE SIGNAGE OVER ON STEARNS THAT LETS PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE ACCESSIBLE PARKING IS LOCATED OFF OF LAHABRA BOULEVARD? UM, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ABOUT SIGNAGE FOR THE PARKING, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF SONIA CHIP IN IF WE NEED IT.
WELL, THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE FOR RIGHT NOW, SO, WE'LL, IF NOBODY ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, WE CAN GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEE IF ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COME UP.
SO WE WILL NOW OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING IF WE WILL FIRST HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT IF THEY WISH TO ADDRESS THE COMMISSION FOLLOWED BY ANYONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE PROPOSED BUDGET.
CAN YOU PLEASE HAVE THE APPLICANT COME TO THE PODIUM IF THEY WISH TO SPEAK NOW? GOOD EVENING.
I AM MARK LANDON, UH, REPRESENTING CIRCUS CAVI, HIRO, MIGHT I SAY A, A FORMER RESIDENT OF LAHABRA FROM 1959 TO 1979 AND GOING TO ALL MY, UH, PRIMARY SCHOOLS HERE.
UH, SO I WANTED TO ADDRESS TWO THINGS, THE SECURITY, WHICH WAS, WHICH WAS BROUGHT UP.
UH, WE DO HAVE INTERNAL SECURITY.
UH, SURPRISINGLY AS YOU MIGHT THINK, PEOPLE PRETTY MUCH LEAVE US ALONE.
WE'RE KIND OF BIG AND INTIMIDATING, AND SO PEOPLE DON'T COME AROUND SO MUCH AND THERE'S ALWAYS STAFF AROUND AT SOME POINT BECAUSE THE PERFORMERS LIVE RIGHT THERE, THAT IT'S, IT'S A NATURAL DETRACTION.
UM, AND BEING THE FACT THAT WE ATTRACT PRIMARILY FAMILIES, SECURITY'S NOT A HUGE ISSUE, BUT WE DO HAVE SIX PEOPLE, WHICH SEEMS TO BE SUFFICIENT FOR WHAT WE DO.
UM, REGARDING THE MARKING FOR THE HANDICAPPED PARKING, UH, THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS DISCUSSED, BUT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
IT'S ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD IDEA THAT I COULD SAY THAT WE WILL GO AHEAD AND PUT UP SIGNS, UH, TO DIRECT PEOPLE TOWARDS THE FRONT AND WHERE IT WOULD GO.
UM, IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT THIS LOT RIGHT HERE AS THE, THE ENTRANCE FROM LA HARBOR BOULEVARD, UH, WHEREVER THAT BLUE LINE GOES UP, AND THEN THERE'S LIKE TWO THAT GO HORIZONTAL.
IT'S BASICALLY GONNA BE IN, IN THAT AREA ALONG THE FRONT.
THE TENT WILL GO RIGHT BEHIND THAT AND THEN PEOPLE WILL BE ALLOWED TO GO.
THERE'S A LITTLE ENTRANCE RIGHT THERE.
THE ENTRANCE THAT'S OFF OF HARBOR BOULEVARD WILL BE SHUT OFF FOUR, UM, PUBLIC, BUT IT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES.
SO, AND I, IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE.
ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTION? OKAY.
ANYBODY ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? ANYBODY WISHING TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND OPENING IT UP FOR COMMISSION DISCUSSION OR A MOTION.
DO WE HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.
UM, UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS GOT BURNING QUESTIONS OR A NEED TO DISCUSS A PARTICULAR ISSUE, I'M OKAY.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26 DASH SEVEN IS REVISED BY STAFF TO APPROVE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT.
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OKAY, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND EVERYBODY VOTE.MOTION PASSES FOUR ZERO AND THIS WILL BE FINAL ON 10 WORKING DAYS UNLESS IT'S APPEALED TO CITY COUNCIL.
OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ITEM FOR THIS EVENING IS CONSIDER AND PROVIDE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGARDING AN ORDINANCE APPROVING ZONE VARIANCE 26, OR EXCUSE ME, ZONE CHANGE 26 DASH 0 0 2 TO AMEND VARIOUS SECTIONS OF TITLE 18 ZONING IN ORDER TO IMPLEMENT MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REGULATIONS, IMPROVE INTERNAL CONSISTENCY WITH TITLE 18 ZONING AND CLARIFIED AND CONSOLIDATE USE REQUIREMENTS THAT AIMED TO FURTHER ACCOMMODATE NON-RESIDENTIAL USES IN THE CITY'S NON-RESIDENTIAL ZONES AND MIXED USE OVERLAY ZONES.
DID WE RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NO, WE DID NOT.
DO WE HAVE A STAFF REPORT? GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SONYA LOUIE HERE, PLANNING MANAGER TO PRESENT YOU WITH ZONE CHANGE 26 DASH 0 0 0 2 AS A MATTER OF BACKGROUND, ON JUNE 17TH, 2024, CITY COUNCIL DIRECTED STAFF TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE CITY'S CUP REGULATIONS IN ORDER TO CREATE A MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT AS WELL AS MORE SPECIFICALLY TO CREATE A NEW CATEGORY OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CALLED A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IN ADDITION TO ADDING MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS A NEW CATEGORY, STAFF HAD ALSO MADE A VARIETY OF RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH WERE DISCUSSED IN GREATER DETAIL WITHIN THE STAFF REPORT DATED JUNE 17TH, 2024, WHICH WAS INCLUDED AS AN ATTACHMENT TO YOUR REPORT.
RECOMMENDATIONS INCLUDE CODE CHANGES SUCH AS ALLOWING CERTAIN LAND USES TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT AMENDING LAND USE CATEGORIES IN THE CODE BY ADDING, REPLACING AND OR CONSOLIDATING TERMS AND MAKING CHANGES THAT WOULD RESULT IN THE CODE BECOMING MORE READER FRIENDLY ABOUT A YEAR LATER.
ON JUNE 2ND, 2025, CITY COUNCIL INTRODUCED AN ORDINANCE TO ESTABLISH PROCEDURES FOR MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
THIS WAS ADOPTED AS ORDINANCE NUMBER CC 2025 DASH ZERO THREE ON JUNE 16TH, 2025.
THE PROPOSED CODE CHANGES UNDER ZONE CHANGE 26 DASH 0 0 0 2 WILL COMPLETE THE BALANCE OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL INITIATED BACK IN JUNE, 2024.
IT INCLUDES CODE CHANGES RECOMMENDED AFTER STAFF REVIEWED 10 OTHER NEARBY JURISDICTIONS, WHICH WERE NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT UNDER ATTACHMENT FOUR.
AND AS BRIEFLY LISTED HERE ON THE SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT WE CHECKED, UH, CODES FOR THE CITY OF ANAHEIM, BREA, BUENO PARK, COSTA MESA, FULLERTON, LA MARADA, ORANGE, PLACENCIA, WHITTIER, AND YOR.
BELINDA, I AM BRIEFLY, I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY WALK THE COMMISSION THROUGH THE CHANGES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, SPECIFICALLY UNDER ZONE CHANGE 26 DASH 0 0 0 2.
IT'S ALSO SUMMARIZED IN THE STAFF REPORT, BUT I THINK YOU'LL FIND, I'M HOPING YOU'LL FIND THE SLIDES EASY TO FOLLOW.
YOU'LL SEE THE EFFECT AFFECTED CODE SECTION IS NOTED IN BLUE AND WITHIN THESE SECTIONS, STAFF ADDED NEW DEFINITIONS AND OR CLARIFIED EXISTING ONES.
YOU'LL FIND THAT ALL DEFINITIONS ARE PROPOSED TO BE CENTRALIZED UNDER CHAPTER 18.04.
SO AGAIN, UM, IN BLUE YOU'LL SEE THE ORDINANCE SECTION WITHIN THE RESOLUTION.
THE CODE SECTION CHAPTER OR SECTION NUMBER, AND THEN INCLUDE IT AS AN ATTACHMENT TO YOUR STAFF REPORT ARE ALSO RED LINE VERSIONS OF THE CODE CHANGE WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE EXISTING LANGUAGE IS CHANGED TO PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED.
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UNDER THE SECTION ORDINANCE, SECTION FIVE, SEVERAL LAND USES ARE PROPOSED TO BE CONSOLIDATED.FOR EASE OF REFERENCE, I'VE LISTED THE NUMBER OF, UM, CONSOLIDATED TERMS HERE.
I JUST WANNA WALK YOU THROUGH THAT.
IT ALSO INCLUDES EXPANDED DEFINITIONS THAT EXPLAIN DISTINCTIONS, WHICH ARE INTENDED TO HELP UNDERSTAND HOW CERTAIN USES COULD BE CONSIDERED LOWER IMPACT ONES UNDER.
CONTINUING WITH ORDINANCE SECTION FIVE, UM, DEALING WITH THE LAND USES AND LAND USE MATRIX, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL CHANGES TO THE CODE.
UM, SPECIFICALLY YOU'LL FIND NEW LAND USE CATEGORIES SUCH AS THE EXPANDED RESTAURANT, LAND USE TYPES, AS WELL AS THE CONTINUATION OF THE CONSOLIDATED TERMS, WHICH ONE COULD CHECK THE DEFINITION.
AGAIN, BETTER UNDERSTAND WHY CERTAIN USES IN THIS CASE COULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT OR SUBJECT TO A MINOR CUP RATHER THAN A REGULAR CUP.
AGAIN, CONTINUING WITHIN, UM, THE CODE SECTION PERTAINING TO LAND, LAND USES AND THE LAND USE MATRIX, UH, STAFF IS SUGGESTING REMOVING OUTDATED TERMS. UM, THIS INCLUDES, UH, LAND USE CATEGORY TYPES, INCLUDING FORTUNE TELLING AND RADIO TELEVISION TRANSMITTERS.
WE ARE ALSO PROPOSING TO REMOVE CERTAIN LAND USE TYPES, WHICH WE DID NOT NEED TO BE BELIEVE, NEED TO BE IDENTIFIED SEPARATELY ON THE LAND USE MATRIX BECAUSE IN MANY OF THESE CASES, THESE USES WERE ALREADY SUBJECT TO A SEPARATE DISCRETIONARY REVIEW.
ALSO NOTED HERE, STAFF HAS PROPOSED SOME OBJECTIVE, OBJECTIVE DESIGN STANDARDS, EXCUSE ME, OBJECTIVE STANDARDS FOR REMEDIATION SYSTEMS, WHICH WILL ENABLE THE CITY TO PERMIT THE USE BY RIGHT RATHER THAN THROUGH, UH, PROCESSING OF A REGULAR CUP.
AS YOU MIGHT HAVE NOTICED, THE BULK OF CHANGES AFFECT LAND USES IN THE LAND USE MATRIX.
CONTINUING HERE WITH CHANGES TO LAND USES STAFF IS PROVIDING DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN PRIMARY AND INCIDENTAL STORAGE YARDS.
STAFF IS ALSO PROPOSING TO REMOVE THE LAND USE CATEGORY FOR PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS, AND COMMUNITY BUILDINGS.
NOTABLY BECAUSE PUBLIC BUILDINGS ARE GENERALLY EXEMPT FROM TITLE 18 REQUIREMENTS.
WE NOTE THAT OUTDOOR DONATION BINS ARE BEING PROPOSED AS PROHIBITED IN ALL ZONES, AND WE ARE INTRODUCING NEW LAND USES SUCH AS ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE MANUFACTURING BY ITSELF AS ITS ONLY LAND USE CATEGORY, AS WELL AS WITH A TASTING ROOM.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CROSS REFERENCES WE'VE ADDED TO THE LAND USE MATRIX, AND WE'RE SIMPLY IDENTIFYING WHERE CERTAIN LAND USE TYPES CAN BE FOUND ELSEWHERE WITHIN THE MUNICIPAL CODE.
THERE ARE REFERENCES TO CHAPTER 5.28, MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT CHAPTER, AS WELL AS CHAPTER 18.58, HAZARDOUS WASTE FACILITY, AND THEN A SEPARATE CHAPTER CONTAINING SECTION 18.70 PERTAINING TO SMOKING LOUNGES.
YOU CAN SEE HERE WE ARE UPDATING THE OUTDOOR DINING REGULATIONS TO ALSO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S REVISED RESTAURANT AND ALCOHOL LAND USE CATEGORIES.
THIS WILL HELP CLARIFY WHEN OUTDOOR DINING MAY BE REVIEWED IN CONJUNCTION WITH AN UNDERLYING RESTAURANT ENTITLEMENT AND WHEN A SEPARATE DISCRETIONARY ENTITLEMENT IS REQUIRED BASED ON EITHER THE SIZE OR OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE OUTDOOR AREA HERE.
NOTED, AGAIN, SECTIONS NOTED IN BLUE.
WE ARE SIMPLY MOVING DEFINITIONS AGAIN, SO THEY'LL BE CENTRALIZED WITHIN CHAPTER 18.04.
WE ARE ALSO SPECIFYING THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS ON THE LAND USE MATRIX RATHER THAN HAVING IT STATED SEPARATELY FOR, UM, SMOKING LOUNGES.
AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION, STAFF IS PROPOSING OBJECTIVE STANDARDS FOR REMEDIATION SYSTEMS. THESE STANDARDS ARE BEING ADDED
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TO THE SECTIONS NOTED IN BLUE WITHIN CHAPTER 18 POINT 14 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE.WE ARE PROPOSING CHANGES TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.
THESE CHANGES HERE ARE INTENDED TO HELP RIGHT SIZE PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR THOSE USES TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT OR BY MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT STAFF AS PART OF THIS EFFORT, CHECK THE CITY'S SIGN ORDINANCE AS IT RELATES TO THE CHANGES.
HERE WE ARE PROPOSING TO REMOVE MENU BOARD SIGNS AS REQUIRING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THIS BECAUSE MENU BOARDS WILL ALREADY BE REVIEWED IN CONJUNCTION WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIRED FOR A DRIVE THROUGH.
WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE END.
STAFF IS NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE LAHABRA BOULEVARD SPECIFIC PLAN.
CURRENTLY, ALL ZONES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED WITH THE LAND USE WITHIN THE LAND USE MATRIX.
THOUGH HERE WE ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS FROM SECTION 18.4 4.020.
UH, WE ARE PROPOSING TO MOVE THE PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS TO THIS SECTION 18.4 4.020, WHICH IS THE CHAPTER COVERING THE LA HOPPER BOULEVARD SPECIFIC PLAN ZONE STANDARDS.
AND LASTLY, WE ARE HERE, UM, PROPOSING MORE CLEANUP BY TAKING DEFINITIONS PERTAINING TO WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITIES.
MOVING THESE DEFINITIONS AGAIN TO A CENTRALIZED LOCATION WITHIN CHAPTER 18.04.
OVERALL STAFF BELIEVES THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD MAKE THE ZONE CODE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND AND IMPLEMENT, BETTER REFLECT CURRENT LAND USES AND BROADER MARKET TRENDS, REDUCE UNNECESSARY PERMIT BURDENS FOR LOWER IMPACT COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL USES, AND CONTINUE THE CITY'S ONGOING EFFORT TO CREATE A MORE BUSINESS FRIENDLY REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT WHILE STILL RETAINING THE SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE FOR USES THAT WARRANT.
DISCRETIONARY REVIEW STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE AND ADOPT RESOLUTION 26 DASH EIGHT RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE ZONE CHANGE 26 DASH 0 0 0 2.
AS ALWAYS, STAFF'S HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COMMISSION MAY HAVE.
SO, ON REMEDIATION SYSTEM, WHAT, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING? ARE WE CHANGING S YOU SAID YOU HAD SOME STANDARD YOU WERE PROPOSING ALONG WITH THAT BECAUSE IT, IN THE, FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE PAST, UM, WE'VE HAD MANY ROWDY PUBLIC HEARINGS FROM NEIGHBORS WHEN IT COMES TO REMEDIATION SYSTEMS, MAINLY DUE TO NOISE THAT THOSE THINGS MAKE.
SO IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE TAKING THESE OFF THE LIST WHERE IT WON'T REQUIRE ANY NOTIFICATION OF THE NEIGHBORS OR A PUBLIC HEARING, ARE WE PUTTING NEW STANDARDS IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT SOME OF THESE SECONDARY EFFECTS WILL BE CONTROLLED? SO THE NEW STANDARDS, AND YOU CAN FIND THIS IN SECTION NINE OF THE, UM, DRAFT ORDINANCE, WE'RE PROPOSING DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ADDRESS MANY OF THE THINGS THAT WE ADDRESS WHILE PROCESSING THOSE PAST CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
IT INCLUDES, UM, THE FOLLOWING REMEDIATION SYSTEM SHALL BE TEMPORARY IN NATURE, REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY FOR A PERIOD OF TIME TO COMPLETE THE REMEDIATION.
WE'RE ESTABLISHING THAT THE REMEDIATION SYSTEM, INCLUDING ALL ASSOCIATED EQUIPMENT NOT TO EXCEED EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT OR 150 SQUARE FEET IN AREA, WE'RE REGULATING THAT REMEDIATION SYSTEM SHALL BE LOCATED AND OPERATED.
SO IT DOES NOT STRUCK ANY PARKING SPACES, DRIVE AISLES, PEDESTRIAN WALKWAYS OR ACCESSIBLE PATHS OF TRAVEL, FIRE LANES, BUILDING EXITS OR EMERGENCY ACCESS AREAS.
WERE INCLUDING LANGUAGE REQUIRING THAT THE REMEDIATION SYSTEMS BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND THAT THEY BE REMAINED MAINTAINED IN A CLEAN, ORDERLY,
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AND SAFE CONDITION AT ALL TIMES.AND THEN GENERAL LANGUAGE HAS BEEN ADDED REQUIRING THE, UH, PROPERTY OWNER AND OR BUSINESS OPERATOR TO PROMPTLY REMOVE ALL REMEDIATION EQUIPMENT AND RESTORE THE AFFECTED AREA OF THE SITE TO ITS PRIOR CONDITION.
I THINK THIS SHOULD EASE THE PROCESSING TIME.
UM, WE'VE, WHILE WE'VE PROCESSED A NUMBER OF THESE APPLICATIONS IN THE PAST, THE NUMBER OF CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN VERY MINIMAL AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT I JUST OUTLAY, UH, PRESENTED TO THE COMMISSION JUST NOW ESSENTIALLY COVER, UM, THOSE CONDITIONS THAT WE HAVE, UM, PROVIDED IN THE PAST.
SO YOU, YOU HAD A HEIGHT LIMIT OF EIGHT FEET.
WAS THAT, DID I HEAR YOU RIGHT? WAS THE HEIGHT LIMIT? EIGHT FEET? SO I DON'T RECALL WE HAVING, UM, UM, AN ISSUE WITH HEIGHT.
I MUST BE A WELL, BUT, BUT WE ARE, UM, PROPOSING THE EQUIPMENT ITSELF NOT EXCEED HEIGHT, EIGHT FEET IN HEIGHT OR 150 SQUARE FEET IN THE AREA.
'CAUSE WE, WE'VE REGULARLY APPROVED ONE THAT ARE TALLER THAN EIGHT FEET.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
WHEN YOU SAID TEMPORARY, WHAT DO WE HAVE A DEFINITION OF TEMPORARY.
WE'VE, WE HAVE SOME TEMPORARY REMEDIATION SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR YEARS BECAUSE, AND THAT'S JUST THE NATURE OF HOW LONG IT TAKES TO DO THE CLEANUP.
I MEAN, IT TAKES WHAT IT TAKES.
SO IS, IS TEMPORARY REALLY PART OF THE CODE? ARE WE PUTTING TIME LIMITS ON 'EM OR IS IT JUST AS LONG AS IT TAKES? I THINK WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS THAT WERE APPROVED AND THEN EXTENSIONS FILED FOR IN THE PAST.
I KNOW IN MY TIME HERE AT THE CITY OF LA HABA, WE'VE HAD AT LEAST, I WANNA SAY TWO EXTENSIONS.
UM, SO UNDERSTANDABLY IT, IT DOES TAKE TIME TO CLEAN UP A SITE, BUT THE INTENT HERE IS, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS AND HEARING THESE REQUIREMENTS BE APPLIED AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL TO GO AHEAD AND AB ADOPT, UH, ADOPT THEM AS STANDARD DEVELOPMENT REQUIREMENTS.
AND IF I MAY, JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK THE DIFFERENCE, YOU KNOW, YOU WERE ASKING WHAT IS THE TEMPORARY NATURE OF THIS, UM, SECTION A, LET'S SEE, 18.1, 2.190 WHERE IT DOES TALK ABOUT THE TEMPORARY NATURE AND IT'S JUST, UM, AS FAR THAT IT'S UM, ONLY FOR SUCH A PERIOD AS NECESSARY TO COM COMPLETE REMEDIATION ACTIVITIES AS DETERMINED BY THE APPLICABLE REGULATORY AGENCY, WHICH RESTRICT AN OVER THE REMEDIATION EFFORT.
AFTER THAT TIME IT HAS TO BE REMOVED.
UNLIKE A USE THAT WOULD BE PERMANENT, IT WOULD JUST STAY THERE INDEFINITELY IN, YOU KNOW, INDEFINITELY.
THIS SAYS THAT WHEN THE REMEDIATION DONE IS DONE, THE UM, REMEDIATION SYSTEM NEEDS TO BE REMOVED, WHICH MAKES IT TEMPORARY IN NATURE RATHER THAN PERMANENT.
AND IN ADDITION, I DON'T KNOW IF SONIA SPECIFICALLY STATED IT, BUT YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE, UM, NOISE CONTROL AND YOU KNOW, AS WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 9.32 NOISE CONTROL OF THE CODE AT ALL TIMES.
I THINK THE REASON YOU POTENTIALLY HAD PEOPLE COMING TO THE HEARINGS IS THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE, BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE.
WE GO OUT, WE MAKE THE APPLICANT, DO, YOU KNOW, THESE NOISE STUDIES AND REALLY AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE JUST REQUIRING THEM THROUGH THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL LIKE SONIA SAID THAT SHE REVIEWED JUST TO COMPLY WITH OUR NOISE ORDINANCE.
SO IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO, AGAIN, PUT PEOPLE THROUGH ALL THESE HURDLES WHEN WE KNOW THE END RESULT.
WE'VE, LIKE YOU SAID, WE'VE PROCESSED A NUMBER OF THESE AND SO WE LOOKED AT THE WAY THAT THEY WERE PROCESSED AND GENERALLY WHAT IT INCLUDED AND INCLUDED IT IN THESE REQUIREMENTS.
THAT, THAT ANSWERED MY QUESTION.
UM, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME, BUT I DO HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS I WISH TO DISCUSS WHEN WE GO TO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION.
DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? RIGHT, SO WE'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE ANY, ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK IN FAVOR? ANYBODY WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? ALRIGHT, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER DISCUSSION.
SO, UH, DO ANY THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE ANY ITEMS YOU WISH TO BACK TO YOU? NO, UH, THAT'S, I DON'T WANT THIS ALL BE ABOUT ME, BUT, SO A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT.
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UM, SO FOR DANCE AND FITNESS STUDIOS UNDER 4,000 SQUARE FEET, YOU'RE PROPOSING THEM TO BE BY RIGHT.AND I UNDERSTAND WHY WE, WE'VE PROPOSED THAT.
BUT AGAIN, MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN THAT WHAT HAPPENS WITH DANCE STUDIOS IS THEY'RE NOT VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS.
'CAUSE THEY HAVE ALL THE KIDS SHOW UP AND ALL THE PARENTS SHOW UP AND THEY PUT ON PERFORMANCES AND THEN THERE'S CARS EVERYWHERE.
AND I MEAN, WE, WE HAD SOME COUPLE OF CASES THAT WERE QUITE NASTY WITH PROPERTY OWNERS FIGHTING AND SUING EACH OTHER OVER PARKING ON THEIR PROPERTY FOR THEIR EVENTS.
UM, I I JUST THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THESE THINGS ARE SIZED CORRECTLY AND AND I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT WE AT LEAST MAKE THAT A MINOR CUP FOR THE, FOR THE SMALLER ONES, JUST SO WE CAN FIND OUT ABOUT THEIR OPERATIONAL CHARACTERISTICS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THE PARKING AS OPPOSED TO JUST CARTE BLANC.
SO, SO IF WE GET TO COMMISSIONERS OR MORE TO AGREE THAT THAT SHOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL, WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN OUR RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT RECOMMENDATION.
I THINK WE SHOULD GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT IT, IT'S NOT UNDER THE PURVIEW OF THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW, SO, BUT I I I MEAN THERE'S, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE REVIEWED WELL, RIGHT, BECAUSE THEIR CLASSES ARE TOO BIG FOR THEIR PARKING SIZE.
RIGHT? WELL, CURRENT, CURRENTLY THEY ALL REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
THE INTENT HERE IS TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM TO, SO YOU KNOW THAT MY ALTERNATIVE THAT I PROPOSE IS THE MINOR, BUT WE, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER OPTION THE COMMISSION COULD CONSIDER JUST KEEPING IT THE SAME WAY IT IS IN MAKING IT A FULL FLEDGED CUP IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION IF THAT'S, IF WE HAVE ANYBODY SECOND THAT WANTS TO GO WITH THAT OR A CONSENSUS OR, I, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M JUST WAITING FOR SOME CLARITY BECAUSE IT SOUNDED LIKE WE SAID THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS THERE.
SO THERE'S THE ONE RIGHT NOW PERMITTED BY RIGHT, PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
A, A MINOR CUPA MINOR CUP OR A FULL, A FULL CUP, WHICH IS THE WAY IT IS NOW, WHICH IS THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW.
I LIKE THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW FOR DANCE STUDIOS AND GYMS BECAUSE THEY ARE BAD NEIGHBORS.
I MEAN, THAT'S JUST, THEY DON'T JUST HAVE THEIR CLASSES.
YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE BIG BARBECUES OR WHATEVER AND THEY, THEY PUT 'EM ON THEIR, YOU KNOW, ON THE PROPERTY AND THEN THEY TAKE UP ALL THE PARKING FOR MILES AROUND.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I WOULD BE, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING IT AS A FULL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR GYMS AND DANCE STUDIOS.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE CONCURRENT SPEAK INTO THE MIC? GINGER? NO, I WHISPER WHERE I CAN ONLY HEAR
I'VE NOT BEEN EXPOSED TO THE DANCE STUDIOS.
BUT IF, IF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ADDRESSING THEN I I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
OF EVERYTHING ON THAT LIST, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT KIND OF JUMPS OUT AT YOU GUYS.
WELL, I HAVE, I HAVE ANOTHER ONE I THAT'S WAY ON LEFT FIELD I WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
BUT
UM, SOME OF THOSE WOULD REQUIRE TEMPORARY USE PERMITS OR SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS, OR POTENTIALLY IF THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, THEY WOULD, IF THEY'RE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING AND, AND THEY COULD STILL VERY WELL HAPPEN.
UH, AND WE'RE RELYING ON CODE ENFORCEMENT TO, TO BE AWARE OF THOSE, UH, YOU KNOW, WERE THEY TO HAPPEN I, I GUESS RIGHT AS FOR FORGIVENESS INSTEAD OF PERMISSION THAT IT'S DEFINITELY QUITE POSSIBLE.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
I, I, UH, I, I'D RATHER HEAR YOUR, YOUR OTHER CONCERN THAN WEIGH IN ON THAT UNTIL WE'RE KIND OF THROUGH WITH THE SECTION.
WELL THIS IS ON A TOTALLY DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT TOPIC.
AND, AND I'M GONNA TELL YOU IT'S GONNA BE KIND OF OUT THERE.
SO
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RESTAURANTS, WE WE'RE MAKING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO OPEN RESTAURANTS AND WE'RE, WE'RE TAKING AWAY CUP REQUIREMENTS UNLESS YOU HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THAT HAS SECONDARY EFFECTS WE NEED TO CONTROL.I AM WONDERING WHY WE NEED TO HAVE A CUP FOR ALCOHOL SALES THAT THOSE USES ARE HIGHLY REGULATED BY THE ALCOHOL BEVERAGE CONTROL AND USUALLY OUR CUP CONDITIONS JUST DISPART THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE.
SO IF, IF THAT'S THE CASE, UNLESS SOMEBODY CAN THINK OF SOME OTHER SECONDARY EFFECT THAT SERVING ALCOHOL AT A RESTAURANT HAS THAT'S NOT COVERED UNDER THE A BC RULES, I I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE REMOVE THAT FROM REQUIRING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS WELL.
SO I OPEN TO FOR JUST RESTAURANTS.
HUH? FOR JUST RESTAURANTS, CORRECT.
SO YOU, YOU, YOU'RE, UH, SONYA MENTIONED, UM, MANUFACTURING, SO LIKE BREW PUBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S, WE NEED C UPS BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND THERE'S SECONDARY EFFECTS WE NEED TO LOOK AT, UM, AND DRIVE THROUGHS.
BUT I JUST, JUST TO HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT'S GOT A BAR IN IT OR SERVES ALCOHOL, NOT, NOT EVEN A, A LOT OF REST, A LOT OF SMALL RESTAURANTS OVER THE YEARS, UM, I CAN THINK, THINK OF DOZENS OF 'EM THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A SEATING CAPACITY OF 10, 12 PEOPLE.
THEY'RE JUST SERVING MARGARITA ONE MARGARITAS WITH THE TACOS OR BEER ON TACO TUESDAY.
AND YEAH, I JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT COSTS A SMALL BUSINESS, AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY FOR WHEN THEY'RE NOT REALLY EVEN SELLING A LOT OF ALCOHOL.
AND AGAIN, I THINK THE, I THINK WE'RE ALL CO THE CITY'S COVERED UNDER THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATE LAWS THAT TO REGULATE THESE THINGS THAT, THAT ACTUALLY HAVE THE TEETH TO ENFORCE THEM IF THEY STEP OUTTA LINE ANYWAY, AS OPPOSED TO MAKING IT A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE FOR US.
IF THEY'RE MISBEHAVING ARE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING LIKE JUST TO BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
THEY STILL HAVE TO GET THEIR ALCOHOL LICENSE ABSOLUTELY.
I I, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.
AND I THINK THAT WHATEVER WE WOULD LOSE IN REVENUE WITH RESPECT TO CUP APPLICATIONS, WE WOULD MORE THAN MAKE UP IN ALCOHOL SALES TAX
AND I'M A, I'M A BIG PROPONENT OF COLLECTING THAT ALCOHOL SALES TAX.
PEOPLE DRINK WHEN THEY'RE SAD.
PEOPLE DRINK WHEN THEY'RE HAPPY.
BUT, UH, SO I THINK A LOT OF OTHER CITIES, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T HAVE A LIST IN FRONT OF ME, DON'T, DON'T REQUIRE CS FOR ALCOHOL SALES AT RESTAURANTS AS WELL.
SO I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE'D BE THE ONLY ONE NOW MAYBE, UH, SUSAN COULD TELL ME IF I'M OFF BASE ON THAT AND SHE KNOWS THAT THAT, THAT A LOT OF OTHER CITIES REQUIRE IT AS WELL.
I DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON OTHER CITIES, BUT I WOULD SAY THIS IS A LEGISLATIVE DECISION AND THEREFORE IT'S UP TO YOUR DISCRETION WHETHER YOU WANNA RECOMMEND IT YEAH.
WELL, I'M LEANING TOWARDS, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND IT.
AND WE HAVE A, NOW THE, THE, THE, THIS IS A SEPARATE CUP FROM THE RESTAURANT IN GENERAL THOUGH, RIGHT? SO NO, CP WE'VE, THE PROPOSED CODE CHANGE IS TO TAKE JUST RESTAURANTS OUT SO THEY DON'T NEED A CUP ANYMORE.
BUT, BUT IT EXCLUDED, IF YOU SELL ALCOHOL THEN YOU'D STILL NEED A CUP.
SO IF, IF I COULD SUMMARIZE, YOU WOULD BE RECOMMENDING A OF, OF THE TWO THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SO FAR.
UM, LET ME GO BACK TO WHERE WE'RE AT.
YOU WOULD BE RECOMMENDING A CUP FOR ALL COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION OPERATIONS, IS THAT CORRECT? UM, WE, WE HAVEN'T REACHED A VERDICT ON THAT I THAT, BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE FIRST THING RIGHT ON THE TABLE.
SO TO REMAIN THE STATUS QUO WITH FITNESS AND DANCE STUDIOS, WHAT WE'VE CREATED NEW DEFINITIONS.
SO WE'RE GONNA NOT ADOPT THOSE DEFINITIONS EITHER.
'CAUSE IT, IT GOES INTO THE TYPE OF USE.
SO WE HAVE, AND GENERALLY THEY WERE ALL COMBINED TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY HAD THE SAME PERMITTING REQUIREMENT OF A CUP.
SO WE JUST, INSTEAD OF LISTING THEM AS THREE DIFFERENT NAMES, WE JUST COMBINED THEM ALL TOGETHER.
'CAUSE AT THE TI THEY ALL REQUIRED CUPI THINK FROM WHAT YOU'VE EXPLAINED, YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT ALL TYPES OF THESE BUSINESSES.
IS THAT CORRECT? WELL, AGAIN, IT'S, I, AND MAYBE SONYA COULD LOOK UP THE DEFINITION ANY, OR THEY DO
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PERFORMANCE, RIGHT? SO, SO YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE LIKE A, A AFTERSCHOOL LEARNING CENTER OR A MATH CENTER OR YOU KNOW, OR THOSE KIND OF THINGS.I, I THINK YOU WERE PROPOSING TO TAKE THOSE OFF OF REQUIRING THIS.
THOSE ARE NOW TUTORING, TUTOR TUTORING, TUTORING.
SO SONIA, IF YOU, I DON'T SEE A REASON FOR A CUP FOR THOSE.
SONIA, WOULD YOU MIND LOOKING UP THE DEFINITION OF THE USE TYPE THAT'S THE COMMERCIAL RECREATION SO THAT YOU CAN READ IT TO THEM JUST SO THEY UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE INCLUDING IN THAT ONE TO SEE IF THERE'S IN THAT RECOMMENDATION, YOU'RE GOING TO PULL OUT A CERTAIN TYPE OF USE.
SO WE HAVE, UM, A NUMBER OF DEFINITIONS STARTING WITH COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION MEANS A USE CONDUCTED ENTIRELY WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING THAT PROVIDES RECREATION, FITNESS, AMUSEMENT, ENRICHMENT OR INSTRUCTIONAL ACTIVITIES FOR PARTICIPANTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO INSTRUCTION, PRACTICE, TRAINING CLASSES, STRUCTURED PROGRAMS, EQUIPMENT OR OPEN PLAY COMMERCIAL RECREATION.
FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO BATTING CAGES, BOWLING ALLEYS, TENNIS AND PICKLE BALL COURTS, POOL HALLS AND BILLIARD HALLS, FITNESS STUDIOS, DANCE STUDIOS, MARTIAL ARTS STUDIOS, GYMNASTICS FACILITIES, VOCAL OR MUSIC INSTRUCTION STUDIOS, INDOOR GOLF SIMULATORS, CHILDREN'S PLAY OR BOUNCE FACILITIES, PARENT AND CHILD ENRICHMENT PROGRAMS. AND SIMILAR INDOOR RECREATIONAL OR INSTRUCTIONAL USES.
COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION USES SHALL BE CLASSIFIED AS SMALL OR LARGE BASED ON GROSS FLOOR AREA.
AND THEN WE INCLUDE A DEFINITION FOR A SMALL COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION AS MEANING A COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION USE CONDUCTED ENTIRELY WITHIN ENCLOSED BUILDING CONTAINING LESS THAN 3000 SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA.
WHEREAS A LARGE COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION MEANS A COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS, AND INSTRUCTION USE CONDUCTED ENTIRELY WITHIN ENCLOSED BUILDING CONTAINING MORE THAN 3000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE GROSS FLOOR AREA.
AND THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST, WE HAVE A TERM FOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS INSTRUCTION OUTDOORS, WHICH MEANS A COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS, OR INSTRUCTIONAL USE THAT INCLUDES OUTDOOR ACTIVITY AREAS OR REGULARLY CONDUCTS RECREATION, FITNESS TRAINING CLASSES OR OTHER ORGANIZED ACTIVITIES.
OUTDOORS, COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION OUTDOORS INCLUDES, BUT IT'S NOT LIMITED TO OUTDOOR SPORTS COURTS, BATTING CAGES, SPORTS TRAINING FACILITIES, OBSTACLE OR FITNESS COURSES.
AND SIMILAR RECREATIONAL FITNESS OR INSTRUCTIONAL USES WITH OUTDOOR COMPONENTS.
COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION OUTDOORS DOES NOT INCLUDE PARKS, PLAYGROUNDS, OUTDOOR GOLF COURSES AND DRIVING RANGES OR OTHER USES SEPARATELY DEFINED IN THIS TITLE.
SO I WANTED HER TO READ THOSE BECAUSE, UM, JUST SO WE CAN COMPARE HOW WE'RE PERMITTING THEM, RIGHT? THE LARGE COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION AND COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION OUTDOORS, ALL OF THOSE REQUIRE CUP CS IN THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL ZONES AND THE OPEN SPACE ZONE, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE CR AND CP ZONES WHERE THEY'RE PROHIBITED.
THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE SMALL ONE REQUIRES AN MCUP.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE FROM THAT DISCUSSION AND JUST TO HELP YOU MAKE THE MOTION MOTION, HOWEVER YOU END UP DOING IT, YOU ARE ASKING FOR A CUP FOR ALL THREE TYPES OF COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS, AND INSTRUCTION USES.
IS THAT CORRECT? REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE.
I I THINK THAT'S REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OR IF THEY'RE INDOORS OR OUTDOORS.
BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO IS WE SAW THE SMALL ONES IS HAVING THE LEAST IMPACT, WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE BEING REQUIRED TO HAVE AN MCUP.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A CUP JUST FOR THOSE USES ACROSS THE BOARD, REGARDLESS OF SIZE OR WHETHER THEY'RE INDOORS OR OUTDOORS.
I JUST WANNA CLARIFY THE SECONDARY EFFECTS.
AND THEN FOR RESTAURANTS TO KIND OF CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT FOR COMMISSIONER MANLEY, THE, THE RECOMMENDATION THAT I'M HEARING BE MADE IS ALL RESTAURANTS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DRIVE-THROUGH RESTAURANTS AND RESTAURANTS WITH OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT WOULD BE PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
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OKAY.DO WE HAVE, DO WE HAVE ANY REST OR THE INVERSE, OUR RESTAURANTS DRIVE THROUGH RESTAURANTS AND RESTAURANTS WITH OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT WOULD ALL REQUIRE SEAT FEES? DO WE, DO WE HAVE RESTAURANTS WITH OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT? I'M, I'M, WE HAVE RECEIVED REQUESTS FOR THEM THEN YES, I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD NEED A CUP AS WELL BECAUSE AGAIN, THE SECONDARY EFFECTS ON WHEREVER IT'S LOCATED AND THE SURROUNDING BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW WE PROHIBIT THE OUTDOOR ENTERTAINMENT IN OUR OUTDOOR SEATING AREAS AND WE BELIEVE THAT THERE COULD BE SOME INSTANCES WHERE IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE.
IT REALLY WOULD BE, BE DEPEND ON WHERE THAT OUTDOOR AREA IS LOCATED AND ITS RELATIONSHIP TO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES.
AND SO THAT WOULD JUSTIFY A CUP.
BUT AGAIN, JUST, JUST BECAUSE A, A RESTAURANT SELLING ALCOHOL INSIDE OR, OR EVEN ON AN OUTDOOR PATIO AS LONG, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS EVERYTHING'S APPROVED BY A, B, C, I'M, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
AND THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE MAKING TO THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA, THAT IS IF RESTAURANTS IMPROVE APPROVED INSIDE THE RESTAURANT, IT'S ALSO APPROVED OUTSIDE AND, YOU KNOW YEAH.
JUST TO MAKE THAT SIMPLER TOO.
RATHER THAN REQUIRING A CUP FOR EACH.
DOES A B, C TOUCH, UM, LIKE HOURS OF OPERATION AT ALL FEW HOURS OF SERVICE? I MEAN, HOW RESTRICTIVE, 'CAUSE WHAT, WHAT I HEARD THE CHAIR SAY WAS THEY'RE UNDER A LOT OF CONTROL FROM A, B, C, BUT ALL THE THINGS THAT WE HEAR REGARDING THOSE CS, I DON'T THINK ARE UNDER THE RESTRICTIONS NECESSARILY FROM A, B, C.
UM, I, YEAH, THERE'S STILL, I THINK THOSE SECONDARY EFFECTS, THEY'RE POTENTIALLY THAT IF WE REMOVE THE CUP, MAYBE, I MEAN MAYBE THERE'S SOME STANDARD CONDITIONS IN THE MINOR CUPI, I DON'T KNOW THEY'RE GONNA, HOURS, HOURS OF OPERATION IS GONNA BE RELATED TO WHETHER THEY HAVE ALCOHOL OR NOT.
I THINK THAT WHAT WOULD BE COVERED UNDER THE A BC LICENSE, AND I'M, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IT HAS TO DO WITH HOURS OF SERVICE WHEN THEY WOULD BE SERVING ALCOHOL.
THAT'S WHAT IT REGULATES TO ME.
UM, I MEAN A B C'S GONNA SAY WHAT A BC SAYS, BUT A BC DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, KNOW THE HABRA, THEY KNOW HOW TO CONTROL ALCOHOL, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THEIR ENVIRONMENT FROM THEIR PURVIEW.
THEY, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THERE'S NOT A GONNA BE A, AN ELEMENT OF WHERE THE LOCATION OF THE RESTAURANT IS IN RELATIONSHIP TO OTHER BUSINESSES, RESIDENCES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS THAT'S COVERED BY A, B, C.
THEY ONLY ALLOW A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF LICENSES WITHIN, UH RIGHT.
BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO, UH RIGHT.
THEY CERTAIN NUMBER OF LICENSES IN A CENSUS TRACKED, I BELIEVE.
BUT THEY, THEY DON'T CARE IF RIGHT BEHIND THAT RESTAURANT IS RESIDENTIAL OR AN ALLEYWAY OR COMMERCIAL, THEY'RE NOT PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO THAT.
AND THAT'S, I THINK, IMPORTANT FOR US TO CONSIDER BECAUSE IF WE REMOVE THE CUP FROM THAT AND IT'S ALL APPROVED BY RIGHT.
WE'RE TRUSTING A, B, C TO GOVERNMENT, ABC'S NOT GOVERNING THE THINGS THAT, THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.
WHEN WE IDENTIFY SOME ISSUES THAT COULD COME UP AND THAT THE PUBLIC MAY RAISE IN THAT CUP PROCESS, I, I'D BE HESITANT TO JUST SAY CARTE BLANCHE BY RIGHT.
SO, SO WHAT SPECIFIC CONCERNS ARE YOU CONCERNED ABOUT NOISE? OR THE SAME CONCERNS THAT YOU GUYS RAISED ON THE OTHER THINGS? I I WOULD, I WOULD CERTAINLY RAISE FOR THE RESTAURANTS.
UM, AND, AND THEN I I, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE ATTORNEY QUESTION, BUT I GET NERVOUS ABOUT OUR CONSISTENCY.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN, IN SOME WAYS IDENTIFYING FITNESS CENTERS AND GYMS AND SAYING DANCE STUDIOS, UH, WE THINK THAT THEY'RE NOISIER IN OUR EXPERIENCE THAN OUTSIDE OF A RESTAURANT THAT'S SERVING ALCOHOL UNTIL, YOU KNOW, MIDNIGHT ONE TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING.
AND I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
THE, THE DIFFERENCE BEING IS THAT SOME OF THESE GYMS AND DANCE STUDIOS AND, AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, THEY JUST DON'T PROVIDE THE ENOUGH PARKING AND RESTAURANTS TEND TO BE IN AREAS WHERE THERE'S ALREADY SUFFICIENT PARKING.
SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, SO WE HAVE, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, WE THIS, ESPECIALLY THE SMALL GYMS, RIGHT? AND I CAN SAY THIS NOW 'CAUSE I DON'T LIVE WITHIN 500 FEET ANYMORE, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S, YOU
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KNOW, THERE'S CERTAIN TROUBLEMAKERS, RIGHT? AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE GYMS THAT ARE IN WHAT USED TO BE HOMES LIKE LITTLE COTTAGES, RIGHT? AND THEY, THEY HAVE PERMITS ALLOWING CLASSES OF 40 AND THEN THEY HAVE LESS THAN 10 PARKING SPACES BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED.THEY DON'T HAVE RESTAURANTS AND LITTLE THING THEY DON'T IN, IN, IN LITTLE AREAS LIKE THAT NECESSARILY.
BUT, BUT COULD THEY, BUT THEY, THEY, YOU, YOU, I MEAN YOU RAISED SOME GOOD POINTS YEAH.
ABOUT RESTAURANTS IN GENERAL, BUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESTAURANT AND A RESTAURANT WITH ALCOHOL THAT THE SAME CONCERNS YOU RAISED ABOUT NOISE AND HOURS OF OPERATION COULD GO TO ANY RESTAURANT, WHETHER THEY'RE SERVING ALCOHOL OR NOT? I, I THINK SOME OF THOSE LIKE EFFECTS COULD BE INCREASED WITH ALCOHOL SALES.
UM, 'CAUSE TYPICALLY IF WE'RE SERVING ALCOHOL, IT, IT DEPENDS.
BUT, UM, THE RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL ARE, ARE, THERE'S GONNA BE A HIGHER PROPENSITY FOR THEM TO BE OPEN LATER.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE ALCOHOL, YOU KNOW, EXTENDS INTO THOSE LATER HOURS.
AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, NOISE WHERE THOSE ARE.
I JUST, AND, AND GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SAID, COMMISSIONER ABOUT PARKING.
IF RESTAURANTS DON'T REQUIRE A CUP, WHAT OVERSIGHT DOES THE CITY HAVE IN REGARDS TO PARKING FOR THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES? BECAUSE, JUST 'CAUSE IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A TROUBLEMAKER YET.
WE MAY, AND WE'RE REMOVING, YOU KNOW, THIS LAYER OF OVERSIGHT THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY THAT WOULD JUST MAKE ME FEEL LIKE WE KICK OURSELF WHEN WE PLAY THE TAPE FORWARD.
IF WE END UP IN THAT SITUATION.
AND THIS COMES BACK TO, TO BITE US AND THE CITY, AREN'T THEY REQUIRED TO, AREN'T RESTAURANTS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES REGARDLESS OF HAVING A CUP? I MEAN, ISN'T THERE A STANDARD BASED ON OCCUPANCY? THERE, THERE, THERE'S A, THERE IS A STA PARKING STANDARD FOR RESTAURANT, JUST LIKE ALL OF OUR LAND USES.
AND IT, AND IT DEPENDS ON, IT CHANGES DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND LOCATIONS OF THE RESTAURANTS.
UM, YOU KNOW, SMALLER RESTAURANTS, UM, DON'T REQUIRE AS MANY PARKING SPACES AS, AS LARGER ONES AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND, UM, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE RESTAURANTS THAT I CAN THINK OF ARE ALL IN BIG COMMERCIAL CENTERS WHERE THEY ALL END UP HAVING SHARED PARKING ANYWHERE.
BUT YOU'RE RIGHT THERE, THERE COULD BE A SMALL RESTAURANT ON, ON A SMALL LOT THAT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, HAVE A, A DIFFERENT, BUT IT, YOU'D STILL HAVE TO MEET, MEET THEIR PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN ORDER ORDER TO OPEN.
SO, UM, THERE IS LANGUAGE PROPOSED IN THE PARKING CHAPTER TO, UM, REQUIRE DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF PARKING FOR, UM, RESTAURANTS STANDALONE MORE THAN 20 SEATS, 10 PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET, RESTAURANTS LESS 20 SEATS OR LESS IN A RETAIL CENTER, FOUR PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND RESTAURANTS, 20 SEATS OR LESS IN A RETAIL CENTER, ALSO REQUIRING, UH, ROUGHLY FOUR PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
I'D ALSO LIKE THE COMMISSION TO BE AWARE IF THE CUP IS NOT REQUIRED, UM, WE HAVE LESS ABILITY, UM, FROM A CODE ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT TO REVOKE THEIR PERMISSION TO OPERATE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE COMMISSION, UM, WHILE WE CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THESE, UM, IMPACTS THAT ARE GENERATED, UM, WE DON'T KNOW IN THE FUTURE, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT MANY OF OUR COMMERCIAL USES ARE NEARBY, IF NOT ADJACENT TO SENSITIVE USES, INCLUDING RESIDENTIAL.
COULD THE COMPROMISE THEN BE A MINOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR, FOR RESTAURANTS? BECAUSE YEAH, I GET THAT THE GOAL IS WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT EASIER ON BUSINESS OWNERS, RIGHT? UM, ESPECIALLY, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR RESTAURANTS AND RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL BECAUSE THEY GENERATE REVENUE, THEY GENERATE MORE REVENUE THAN SAY, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL A, A GYM OR A DANCE STUDIO.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I I GUESS WOULD THAT BE THE COMPROMISE THEN? WELL, LIKE, AGAIN, I'M, YOU KNOW, THE, THE COMMENTS I'M HEARING COULD BE ANY RESTAURANT IN GENERAL, WHETHER THEY'RE SERVING ALCOHOL OR NOT.
I'M NOT HEARING A DIFFERENTIATION ABOUT WHAT MAKES ONE DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER.
I THINK THE, THE ALCOHOL, I'LL SAY AGAIN, I THINK THE, THE RE THE RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL, UM, I, I THINK HEIGHTENS THE SENSITIVITY THAT WE SHOULD HAVE
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TOWARDS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED.UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE COMPROMISE WOULD BE.
I WOULD JUST SAY I'M STILL NOT COMFORTABLE, UM, REMOVING, I WOULD BE WITH YOU GUYS ON, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE REMOVING THE CUP FOR THE DANCE STUDIOS FITNESS CENTERS.
AND, AND I THINK TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THAT, I WOULD JUST RESTATE THAT I, I THINK THE SAME WOULD APPLY, UH, FOR THESE RESTAURANTS.
I WOULDN'T PULL IT BACK TO OH A BC IS, IS GONNA DO THEIR PART AND, AND THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT HOW YOU SAID IT, SO I DON'T WANT TO INSULT YOU.
UM, BUT JUST TO PARAPHRASE AND THEN I'LL BE QUIET MR. CHAIR IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, BUT I, I HAD A SEPARATE QUESTION, SO IF YOU WANTED TO FINISH THIS DISCUSSION FIRST, 'CAUSE MY, MY OTHER ONE I DON'T THINK IS THAT RELATED.
WHATEVER ORDER YOU'D LIKE TO GO.
SO, UM, YEAH, NO, THIS IS A, THIS IS A GOOD DISCUSSION.
I MEAN, SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAVE ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESTAURANTS AND YOU KNOW, AND DO, DO YOU TREAT THEM ALL THE SAME OR YOU TREAT THEM ALL DIFFERENTLY, IS KIND OF WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REALLY.
AND IT, I DON'T, I'M NOT SEEING A CLEAR CONSENSUS ANYWHERE.
I'M NOT FEELING THAT UNLESS EVERYBODY WANTS TO MULL IT OVER A LITTLE BIT MORE.
AND WE'LL MOVE ON TO, TO WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR NEXT ITEM THAT YOU HAD, UM, WHAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS.
SO SECTION T IN REGARDS TO MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS, UM, I HAVE A QUESTION RE I GUESS REGARDING CHAPTER 5.28 AND, AND MAYBE SONIA IF YOU COULD JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE CLARIFICATION ON WHY, WHY WE'RE HERE FOR, FOR THAT.
LIKE HOW DO WE END UP, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS PROPOSED CHANGE? I BELIEVE THE CHANGE THAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS JUST TO REFERENCE WHERE THE MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT STANDARDS CAN BE FOUND.
SO I'LL STAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD WITH COMMISSIONER, UH, WITH CHAIR RAMSON FOR A SECOND.
UM, AND I KNOW THAT THIS ISN'T NOTHING WRONG WITH LEFT FIELD TOTALLY WHERE IT'S GOOD TO TALK ABOUT STUFF WHERE WE ARE, BUT YEAH, I KNOW SOME CITIES HAVE KIND OF TIGHTENED DOWN ON, ON THE NUMBER OF, OF THOSE TYPES OF ESTABLISHMENTS ALLOWED IN THEIR CITY.
AND THIS MIGHT BE A, A, A SEPARATE RECOMMENDATION, UM, TO THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER, UM, BECAUSE THOSE ARE POPPING UP ALL OVER AND I DON'T STAY TOTALLY ABREAST OF WHERE THEY'RE POPPING UP HERE IN THE CITY.
BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE SEE THESE LIKE, I'LL CALL THEM DISCOUNT STORES KIND OF POPPING UP AND, AND AND USUALLY POPPING AWAY, RIGHT? UM, AND, AND, AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO AS A CITY TO LIMIT THAT FROM HAPPENING.
UM, IF, IF THAT'S A, A DEFINITION THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO HAVE MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL OVER THAT.
I WANT THE COMMISSION TO KNOW THERE'S ALREADY RESTRICTIVE DISTANCE REQUIREMENTS FOR MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENTS IN FIVE POINT CHAPTER 5.28.
BUT I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE A COMMISSION TO FOCUS ON THE DRAFT ORDINANCE AS IT PERTAINS TO, UM, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING CHANGES TO MASSAGE REQUIREMENTS.
WE'RE SIMPLY CLOSING THE LOOP WITH A REFERENCE ON THE LAND USE MATRIX AND THE FACT THAT A LOT OF INFORMATION IS DISJOINTED FROM, UM, TITLE 18 AND FOUND ELSEWHERE IN THE CODE.
SO I, I CAN REFOCUS THEN SONYA, AND, AND I CAN SAVE MY COMMENTS FOR, UH, REGARDING ALL OF THAT FOR LATER IN THE MEETING JUST FOR, FOR SOME SEPARATE RECOMMENDATIONS TO COUNCIL.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE FOCUS OF WHAT COUNCIL DIRECTED US TO DO, WHICH WAS TO REDUCE REGULATIONS FOR THESE USES.
IF YOU WANT COUNSEL TO DIRECT US TO INITIATE AMENDMENTS, TO HAVE STRONGER REGULATIONS FOR THESE USES, THAT'S A WHOLE SEPARATE CODE AMENDMENT.
THIS CODE AMENDMENT WAS FOCUSED ON EXACTLY WHAT WAS PUT BEFORE US.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT COUNSEL INITIATED, NOT MAKING IT MORE DIFFICULT TO OPEN A MASSAGE ESTABLISHMENT.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT WOULD BE SEPARATE.
I WOULD SAY THAT RIGHT NOW WE'RE WORKING ON A CODE AMENDMENT RELATED TO TOBACCO RETAILERS THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THIS.
'CAUSE IT WASN'T UNDER THE PURVIEW OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS.
ANY ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING TO COMMENT OR SAY? DON'T BE SCARED, GINGER.
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SO AGAIN, I, IT DOESN'T SOUND TO BE LIKE WE HAVE A A, A CLEAR CONSENSUS ON WHAT TO DO WITH RESTAURANTS.UM, I'D LIKE TO MOLD OUT, I'D LIKE TO MOLD THAT ONE OVER.
I'M, I'M PRETTY CLEAR ON HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE OTHER RECREATIONAL USE FACILITIES THOUGH.
I, I THINK, I THINK WE DO HAVE, DEFINITELY HAVE A CONSENSUS ON, ON THE, ON THE DANCE STUDIOS.
SO IS THAT, AND IF I MAY CHAIR RAMSON, IF YOU COULD BE REALLY SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT YOU MEAN.
'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE DANCE STUDIOS AS A DEFINITION AND I KNOW THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER JEHA SAID ABOUT HER CONCERNED IT'S FITNESS STUDIO.
SO I, I WANNA BE, YOU KNOW, IS IT ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE GROUP TYPE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, SONIA WENT THROUGH ALL OF THOSE DEFINITIONS RIGHT? EXPLAINING WHAT IS IN COMMERCIAL RECREATION, YOU KNOW, THAT THE WHOLE BIG CATEGORY FOR MY PART, THAT WHOLE CATEGORY SHOULD HAVE CU PS GOT IT.
FOR MY PART, BECAUSE THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I REALLY WANNA UNDERSTAND.
SO THAT WE CAN CONVEY YOUR CONCERNS TO COUNCIL AND, BUT I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR, FOR THE CHAIR RAMSON, BUT YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I WAS THERE.
UM, I I MEAN OBVIOUSLY IF, IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE'RE MOVING YOU, YOU'D HAVE TO CREATE A NEW DEFINITION FOR DANCE AND FITNESS STUDIOS AND REMOVE IT FROM THE BIGGER DEFINITION.
THAT'S JUST BLANKETS EVERYTHING ELSE.
WHY IF IT'S DIFFERENT, RIGHT? ARE AREN'T THEY, ISN'T THAT UNDER OUTDOOR, THAT WAS ONE OF THE OUT INDOOR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES WAS INCLUDING DANCE STUDIOS PERFORMANCE TRAINING.
SO THAT WAS INCLUDED UNDER THAT MUSIC MARSHALL.
YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXTENSIVE LIST.
IT'S, IT'S AN EXTENSIVE LIST OF ABAN.
A BUNCH OF BUSINESSES THAT TEND TO AFFECT THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS TEND TO HAVE AN, AN OUTSIZED IMPACT.
AND, AND, AND I'LL SPEAK TO WHAT DIRECTOR KIM, YOU KNOW, REMINDED US OF WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
I CAN CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL'S DESIRE TO REDUCE RESTRICTIONS AND BRING BUSINESSES INTO THE CITY, BUT WE SIT HERE, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC HEARING, AFTER PUBLIC HEARING WHEN BUSINESSES ARE COMING INTO THE CITY AND HEAR FROM RESIDENCES.
AND, AND, AND I KNOW WE ALL LIVE IN THE CITY AND, AND THERE'S IMPACTS.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M CAUTIOUS AND I THINK WE, WE NEED TO BE, UM, PROACTIVE IN, YOU KNOW, DOING WHAT, WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO IN OUR PURVIEW WHEN THOSE ARISE.
AND, UH, AS WE, YOU KNOW, REDUCE RESTRICTIONS.
UM, I, I GET NERVOUS FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT WOULD BE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE, I'D BE WITH COMMISSIONER MACHA ON THAT ENTIRE SECTION, JUST KIND OF BEING TOGETHER.
UM, AND, AND KIND OF SIMILARLY HOW, HOW I DESCRIBED RESTAURANTS, UM, EARLIER IN THE DISCUSSION, UH, AS WELL, WHETHER IT'S ALCOHOL OR NOT.
THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH PUTTING ALL OF THOSE THINGS TOGETHER AND I THINK MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE BROKEN DOWN INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES BECAUSE SOMEBODY THAT'S DOING AFTER SCHOOL TUTORING FOR MATH, IS THAT IN THE CATEGORY AFTER SCHOOL TUTORING IS A SEPARATE USE? THAT'S SEPARATE.
WE DID PULL THAT ONE OUT BECAUSE WE DID SEE IT AS SEPARATE.
SO THAT IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT CATEGORY.
RIGHT? COULD WE HEAR? IT WOULD HELP ME TREMENDOUSLY IF, IF I COULD HEAR EVERYTHING IN THE, IN THAT CATEGORY.
UM, COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION MEANS A USE CONDUCTED ENTIRELY WITHIN AN ENCLOSED BUILDING THAT PROVIDES RECREATION, FITNESS, AMUSEMENT, ENRICHMENT OR INSTRUCTIONAL ACTIVITIES FOR PARTICIPANTS, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO.
INSTRUCTION, PRACTICE, TRAINING CLASSES, STRUCTURED PROGRAMS, EQUIPMENT OR OPEN PLAY COMMERCIAL RECREATION.
FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION INCLUDES BUT IS NOT LIMITED TO BATTING CAGES, BOWLING ALLEYS, TENNIS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS, POOL HALLS AND BILLIARD HALLS, FITNESS STUDIOS, DANCE STUDIOS, MARTIAL ARTS STUDIOS, GYMNASTICS FACILITIES, VOCAL OR SMALL VOCAL OR MUSIC INSTRUCTION STUDIOS, INDOOR GOLF SIMULATORS, CHILDREN'S PLAY OR BOUNCE FACILITIES, PARENT AND CHILD ENRICHMENT PROGRAMS. AND SIMILAR INDOOR RECREATIONAL OR INSTRUCTIONAL USES.
COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION.
USAGE SHALL BE CLASSIFIED AS SMALLER OR LARGE.
UM, SO ABOUT SMALL BEING LESS THAN 3000 SQUARE FEET AND LARGE 3000 SQUARE FEET OR MORE.
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INTO ALL OF THAT.YOU, YOU, YOU SAID THE WORD ENRICHMENT AND THEN THERE'S A BUNCH OF THINGS AFTER THAT THAT I, I THINK I FOLLOWED THEN LATER TOWARDS THE END YOU SAID THE, THE LION PARENT AND CHILD ENRICHMENT AND, AND I WASN'T TOTALLY CLEAR ON WHAT THAT SPOKE TO.
AND, AND THAT MIGHT BE WHERE CHAIR RAMSON KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE MOMMY AND ME CLASSES.
SO PARENT AND CHILD ENRICHMENT.
THE REST, THE REST OF IT, YOU KNOW, I, I WAS GOOD WITH, UH, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FITNESS TYPE STUFF.
SPORT TYPE STUFF, MUSIC TYPE STUFF.
THAT'S NOISE, NOISE, NOISE, YOU KNOW, AND ACTIVE TYPE STUFF.
THE GYMS, I, I THOUGHT EVERYTHING IN THAT CATEGORY, IF THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE PARENT AND CHILD ENRICHMENT, THAT ALL SEEMS TO ME FAIR TO BE LUMPED TOGETHER.
AND BY LUMPED TOGETHER YOU MEAN REQUIRING A CUP? MM-HMM
I, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONSISTENCY IN HOW EACH OF THOSE BUSINESSES WOULD OPERATE AND HOW THEY WOULD KIND OF FIT INTO A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION THAT WE'VE HAD ON WHY WE FEEL THAT WAY.
UH, YOU COULD SEE THOSE BUSINESSES KIND OF DOING SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT RAISE SOME CONCERNS FOR US.
THINGS LIKE TOURNAMENTS, PROMOTION, BELT PROMOTIONS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY, THEY, IT JUST GOES ALONG WITH KIND OF THE NATURE OF THE BEAST.
SO OUR MOTION WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND THE COUNCIL NOT REMOVE ALL THOSE THINGS ON THAT LIST FROM THE CUP PROCESS.
I THINK THE EASIEST WAY IS THAT YOU RECOMMEND THAT THE COUNCIL REQUIRE A CUP OKAY.
BUT WE REQUIRE CCP FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS ALREADY.
RIGHT? THE CODE CHANGE WOULD BE REMOVING THEM FROM THE CUP LIST.
SO YOU'RE GO STAFF PRESENTED A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU.
SO YOU GUYS ARE RECOMMENDING AN ALTERNATIVE.
SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE CLEAR IN YOUR MOTION WHAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING.
AND WITH REGARD, GOING TO WHAT SUSAN SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE DEFINITIONS, STAFF DID DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN COMMERCIAL, SMALL, LARGE, OUTDOORS.
AS PART OF YOUR RECOMMENDATION, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT THAT USE CATEGORY REQUIRES CUP AND WITH THAT WOULD BE BASICALLY A CONSOLIDATION OF THE DEFINITIONS THAT STAFF PRESENTED.
BECAUSE THERE WOULD JUST BE A NEED FOR ONE DEFINITION, NOT FOR DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS.
CORRECT? YEAH, BECAUSE, SO IT'S INDEPENDENT OF LARGE, SMALL, REGARDLESS.
SO YOU'RE, IS THERE A SECTION THAT WE COULD CITE IN THE MOTION THAT WOULD HELP MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR? I JUST THINK YOU NEED TO SAY THAT YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO REQUIRE A CEP FOR COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION USES.
I, I CAN TAKE A STAB AT THE MOTION IF, IF, IF WE'D LIKE.
SO LETS WRITE, LET'S SAY THAT AGAIN.
WHAT ELSE? FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION.
SO BEFORE YOU MAKE A MOTION, ARE YOU INTENDING TO ADDRESS BOTH ITEMS, THE ALCOHOL AND THE RECREATION AS PART OF THE MOTION? BECAUSE THAT GOOD, GOOD QUESTION.
SO COMMERCIAL'S PART A AND THEN YOU GUYS HAD PRETTY EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION.
YEAH, I WAS GONNA, I WAS GONNA HAVE THAT BE SEPARATE.
I DON'T THINK WE FINISHED THE DISCUSSION ON THAT.
SO IF, IF YOU'D RECOMMEND US FINISH THAT DISCUSSION BEFORE MAKING ANY MOTIONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT.
I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU MAKE ONE MOTION THAT INCLUDES ALL THE CHANGES THAT YOU'RE MAKING.
SO IF, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM, YOU WANT TO CONTINUE TO STILL HAVE CS FOR RESTAURANT REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY'RE SERVING ALCOHOL OR NOT.
JUST SO YOU WANT YOUR, SO YOU'RE WANNA STILL HAVE CS FOR ALL RESTAURANTS.
CAN WE CLARIFY IF COMMISSIONER MANLEY IS SUPPORTIVE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE PROVIDED WHERE IT WOULD BE AN MCUP FOR WELL ARE YOU WELL, THAT'S WHY I'M, ARE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, WE'RE, WE'RE, ARE, WHERE WE'RE, ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE OF STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR ARE YOU REQUESTING SOME CHANGES TO WHAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED? BECAUSE CAN YOU SAY SHERIFF LIN HAS SUGGESTED CHANGES? ARE YOU S SAYING KEEP IT EXACTLY HOW IT IS? SO WE'RE THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS NOT REQUIRING CS FOR RESTAURANTS THAT DON'T HAVE DRIVE THROUGHS AND DON'T SERVE ALCOHOL.
ALL OTHER RESTAURANTS WOULD STILL REQUIRE C PS.
TO CLARIFY, THERE'S MCUP FOR BEER AND WINE AND CUP FOR BEER, WINE AND DISTILLED SPIRITS PER STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION.
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MCP FOR YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A VARIETY OF MCP AND CU PS.EITHER YOU WANNA GO WITH STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION OR YOU WANT TO GO WITH CHAIR RANSON'S RECOMMENDATION THAT WOULD REMOVE ANY CUP REQUIREMENT FOR ALCOHOL USES.
COULD YOU GIVE ME THE THIR THE THIRD OPTION IN MY HEAD? HOW IS IT CURRENTLY? UM, IT, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY IDENTIFIED BECAUSE CURRENTLY ALL RESTAURANTS REQUIRE A CUP.
SO THERE'S NO DIFFERENTIATION.
SO EVERY RESTAURANT THAT OPENS IN THE CITY REQUIRES A CUP CURRENTLY EXCEPT FOOD TO GO RESTAURANTS EXCEPT IF, AND, AND THAT WAS THE 10 SEATS OR LESS.
AND UNLESS THERE'S 10 SEATS OR LESS, BUT WE'VE UPPED THAT TO 20 SEATS WITH THIS CODE AMENDMENT IN THIS CODE AMENDMENT, IT GOES TO 20 SEATS.
AND WE DEFINE FOOD TO GO IN LAYMAN'S TERMS. FOOD TO GO IS NO LONGER AS A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE RESTAURANTS WOULD BE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
THE ONLY REQUIREMENTS FOR A CUP OR AN MCUP WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH ALCOHOL AND ENTERTAINMENT.
YEAH, I, I WOULD JUST DISCUSSION WITH YOU GUYS.
I, I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO SEE THE CUP WITH THE RESTAURANTS, UM, BETTER SERVING ALCOHOL.
UM, I, I, I THINK I WOULD STILL LIKE THE CUP WITH RESTAURANTS, PERIOD.
SO NOT EVEN THE MCUP OPTION FOR BEER AND WINE AND INDOOR ENTERTAINMENT.
WELL, MAYBE WE CAN GET MORE CLARIFICATION OR MAYBE JUST ME, UH, ON THE, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE CUP AND THE MCUP.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT, I BELIEVE IT'S THE FIRST PAGE OF YOUR STAFF REPORT, IT LAYS OUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CUP AND MCUP DIRECT ME THERE.
IT'S A BIG COST SAVINGS TO BUSINESSES IF IT'S AN MCUP BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REQUIRE THE PREPARATION OF STAFF REPORTS AND THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IT'S A MUCH SIMPLER PROCESS WHERE WE'RE JUST NOTIFYING THE SURROUNDING RESIDENTS AND IT'S A DECISION OF THE DIRECTOR AND NOT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT IT'S ALL, THERE'S KIND OF A COMPARISON TABLE THERE FOR YOU.
SO IS THAT THE, THE TYPICAL RESIDENT WITHIN 300 FEET OR JUST THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS? UM, I NEED TO GO UP TO THAT TABLE
IF YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT IN FRONT OF YOU, I DON'T HAVE, I DON'T, NO, I DON'T THINK ANY OF US DO, FRANKLY.
WELL, I GOT IT, BUT IT'S IN A FONT.
I CAN, I CAN, I CAN READ THAT FOR YOU.
UM, ASSISTANCE, MAYBE WE CAN HAVE THE STAFF REPORTS.
SO THE, FOR AN M-C-U-P-A NOTICE OF REQUEST IS SENT TO OWNERS OF ALL PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO AND DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE EXTERIOR BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY INVOLVED.
WHEN YOU HAVE A CUP, IT'S 300 FEET OF THE EXTERIOR BOUNDARIES OF THE PROPERTY, AND IT'S ALSO PUBLISHED IN A NEWSPAPER.
AND THAT INCREASES THE COSTS ALONG WITH THE PREPARATION OF STAFF REPORT REVIEW BY THE CITY ATTORNEY.
THOSE ARE ALL PRETTY SIGNIFICANT COSTS THAT MAKE THAT COST $7,203 VERSUS AN MCUP, WHICH IS 412.
AND WHAT WE HEAR FROM OUR SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS OFTEN IS THAT THE COST FOR A CUP IS JUST TOO HIGH FOR THEM.
YEAH, I I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO THAT'S KIND OF SOUNDS LIKE WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM.
WELL, BECAUSE IT WOULD STILL REQUIRE A NOTIFICATION OF THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH, WHICH SEEMS TO BE YOUR CONCERN.
WELL, I, I GUESS MY QUESTION, A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE.
ARE WE CURRENTLY DOING MINOR CS NOW? NO, WE'RE CREATING, NO, THAT'S THE WHOLE RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TONIGHT.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD.
NOW, WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING PORTION AND IT SAYS PUBLIC HEARINGS REQUIRED FOR THE CCPS, I UNDERSTAND THAT NO PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE MCUP UNLESS OR REQUEST IS REFERRED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN FOR THAT? WHAT WOULD NEED TO TRANSPIRE FOR THAT TO HAPPEN? SO WE WOULD RECEIVE, DURING THAT 10, UM, 10 WORKING DAYS AFTER THE NOTICE IS SENT OUT, WE WOULD RECEIVE AN OBJE OBJECTION THAT WOULD BE SUBMITTED TO THE DIRECTOR, AND THEN IT WOULD BE FORWARDED ONTO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS A CUP.
WE DON'T RECEIVE ANY OBJECTIONS.
IT'S NOT GONNA GET FORWARDED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BUT THAT'S JUST FOR THE ALCOHOL ONES, THAT'S THE OTHER RESTAURANTS OR DON'T REQUIRE ANYTHING, ANY KIND OF NOTICE TO THE NEIGHBORS ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION
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FROM STAFF TONIGHT, ACCORDING TO THE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF TONIGHT? YEAH.I'VE BEEN REALLY, UH, LISTENING TO THE DEBATE BACK AND FORTH, TRYING TO GET A, A GREAT UNDERSTANDING OF IT.
AND THIS IS JUST A, A CONCERN I HAVE.
IF YOU LOWER ALL YOUR, TO ME, LOWER YOUR STANDARDS TO BRING IN MORE BUSINESS.
UH, SOMETIMES WHEN WE LOWER STANDARDS AND IT MAKES IT A LOT EASIER FOR SOME, YOU GET A WHOLE DIFFERENT SITUATION.
AND IS THAT NOT, HAS THAT HAVE BEEN A CONCERN OR DISCUSSED ANYWHERE? IF IT'S, IF EVERYBODY COULD GET IT, YOU, YOU'D HAVE EVERYBODY IN IT.
YOU MIGHT NOT GET EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANTED.
YOU COULD BRING IN A WHOLE NOTHER ELEMENT.
SO THAT'S REALLY WHERE MY CONCERN IS.
IF YOU START DROPPING THE REQUIREMENTS OR IT'S EASY TO DO THIS, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD ATTRACT.
BUT ALL THE DEBATE SOUNDS GREAT.
I JUST, DON OF YOU, ALL OF THESE BUSINESSES WOULD STILL BE SUBJECT TO THE LAHABRA MUNICIPAL CODE.
AND IF THEY'RE BRINGING IN A CRIMINAL ELEMENT, THEY'D BE SUBJECT TO ANY CRIMINAL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE STILL COMMITTING A CRIME.
SO THIS IS ABOUT, I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON THE LAND USE ASPECT OF THIS, NOT ON REVENUES OR WHETHER THEY'D EXCEED THE, UM, NOISE REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE REPORTED TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF, IF A PROPERTY IS EXCEEDING THOSE SO THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, YEAH, BUT HANDLE THEM ACCORDINGLY.
BUT IN REGARDS TO THE LAND USE, I, I MEAN EVERY CU ALMOST EVERY CUP THAT COMES BEFORE US IS IN LINE WITH THE LAND USE.
AND WE STILL HAVE SOME SPIRITED DISCUSSIONS AMONG US AND AMONG THE PUBLIC ON ALL OF THOSE.
SO, UH, I I THINK WE'D STILL NEED TO BE CAREFUL.
I DUNNO IF EYES ARE EYES ARE ON ME OR NOT, BUT I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO REACH A CONSENSUS AND, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A CONSENSUS, THEN IT, THEN IT WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THE WAY STAFFS PROPOSED IT, WHICH WOULD BE MCU PS FOR ALCOHOL? NO, CUP FOR JUST RESTAURANTS SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOU'RE MOVING TOWARDS, YOU'D WANT AN MCUP FOR ALL RESTAURANTS.
UH, I WOULD LIKE, WOULD THAT WOULD LIKE THE NO NEIGHBORS WOULD GET NOTICED.
I WOULD LIKE A CUP FOR RESTAURANTS, UM, THAT ARE SERVING ALCOHOL.
I WOULD STILL LIKE A CUP FOR THOSE.
I I HEARD COMMISSIONER MACHEKA SAY A MOMENT AGO, SOMETHING ABOUT MORE TIME TO MULL THIS OVER.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE THERE, BUT, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL FEEL THAT WAY OR IF I'M MIS MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU EVEN SAID.
WELL, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, IF WE DON'T REALLY, IF WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A CONSENSUS, WE'VE, WE'VE HAD A, WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION THAT WILL GET RECORDED IN THE MINUTES AND THE COUNCIL WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO READ THOSE MINUTES, YOU KNOW, ALONG WITH OUR RECOMMENDATION AND, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'LL KNOW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT AND THAT MIGHT CAUSE THEM TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT GETS GET TO THEM.
BUT AT, BUT AT THIS POINT, IF, IF WE DON'T HAVE A, ANY KIND OF A CLEAR CONSENSUS, THEN THE MOTION WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHAT STAFF'S PROPOSING.
I'M GONNA MAKE THE MOTION, UM, BUT I'M GONNA MAKE IT, UM, WITH, WITHOUT ANY LANGUAGE REGARDING THE, THE ALCOHOL IN THE RESTAURANTS.
I, I DON'T, AND, AND YOU CAN VOTE YES OR NO OR THERE YOU CAN, THERE CAN BE A SECOND OR NOT.
BUT THAT WAY WE WILL HAVE A CLEARER IDEA OF WHERE THE CONSENSUS STANDS, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE'RE, WE KEEP SAYING THE SAME THINGS OVER.
SO, AND I AND I, AND I'D BE FINE WITH THE, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY ANY OF US CAN MAKE A MOTION AT ANY POINT.
THE, I JUST DON'T WANT A VOTE FROM ANY OF US TO NOT REALLY BE FULLY REFLECTIVE OF OUR DISCUSSION.
AND I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY ARE GONNA NEED TO RELY ON THE COUNCIL TO, YOU KNOW, LISTEN TO THE MEETING AND, AND HEAR ALL THE DISCUSSION AND, AND, AND DO WITH THAT WHAT THEY WILL.
UM, BUT IF, IF WE DON'T TOUCH THE RESTAURANTS, I'D BE INCLINED TO, TO VOTE NO TO STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I, I DON'T THINK IS A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHERE I STAND.
UM, IT JUST, THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO RELY ON, YOU KNOW, I DON'T AGREE WITH EVERYTHING HERE, SO I, I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND IT ALL.
UM, AND THEN WE JUST RELY ON, ON COUNSEL TO, TO HEAR WHAT THEY HEAR AND, AND DO WITH THAT, WHAT THEY WILL, UH, IF WE WERE TO EXCLUDE THAT FROM A MOTION ALTOGETHER, WHICH WE, WE MAY NOT HAVE A CHOICE.
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I'M, I'M GONNA AND SEE IF WE'RE GONNA LEARN AS WE GO HERE.SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26 0 8, RECOMMENDING THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVE ZONE CHANGE 26 0 0 0 2, WITH THE EXCEPTION THAT COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS AND INSTRUCTION USES REQUIRE CU PS AND THAT THERE BE FURTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL REQUIRING CS.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
AND SECOND, DO WE HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION OR ARE WE GONNA, HOW DO WE DO THIS? WE VOTE ON THIS MOTION FIRST TO SEE IF IT PASSES.
NO, IF ANYONE WANTS TO MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION CHAIR, THEY NEED TO MAKE IT NOW, ONCE YOU VOTE ON THIS MOTION, THAT'S THE MOTION.
IF THERE'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, YOU WOULD VOTE ON THAT FIRST AND THEN YOU WOULD VOTE ON THE FIRST MOTION.
UM, THE, UH, UM, COMMISSIONER MACHA, CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT YOU MEAN BY CLAR? UM, FURTHERING DISCUSSION, FURTHER DISCUSSION, WHO YOU'RE REFERRING TO, WHO YOU WISH TO HAVE THAT FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE RESTAURANT PIECE.
I GUESS IT'S EITHER US OR CITY COUNCIL.
RIGHT? I, I THINK EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM OTHER THAN US, WANTS IT TO COME BACK TO US.
UM, I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF WE COULD EVEN ASK THAT IT COME BACK TO US, FRANKLY.
I TRIED
BUT I MEAN, IF IT'S THAT IMPORTANT, THAT'S, UH, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BRITTANY, BUT THAT WOULD BE A, UH, REASONABLE MOTION TO MAKE, RIGHT? YEAH.
OR, OR YOU COULD JUST, BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN AT A FULL COMMISSION TONIGHT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF OUR YOU COULD MODIFY THE RESOLUTION OR JUST CLARIFY THAT THE RESOLUTION IS, IS JUST ASKING FOR CITY COUNCIL TO, UM, TO RECONSIDER OR TO HOWEVER YOU WANT TO REPHRASE THAT AND HAVE THAT FURTHER DISCUSSION BE AMONG THEM.
UM, AND THEN WE'RE JUST THROWING THIS ALL BACK AT THEM, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE INTENDED TO DO TONIGHT ANYWAY.
BUT THEN IT'S IT'S COMPLETELY OUT OF OUR HANDS.
'CAUSE WE'RE JUST MAKING RECOMMENDATION.
WE'RE NOT APPROVING ANYTHING SO THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY, BUT YOU WANT, SO YOU WANT, SO YOU WANNA MAKE, DO GO THROUGH THAT.
SO I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26 0 8, RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVE ZONE CHANGE 2 6 0 0 0 2, EXCEPT THAT COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS, AND INSTRUCTION USES STILL BE REQUIRED TO GET C CS.
AND FURTHER THAT WE RECOMMEND FURTHER DISCUSSION REGARDING RESTAURANTS THAT SERVE ALCOHOL REQUIRING CS BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
YEAH, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO TAKE ANOTHER STAB AT THAT.
OR A A CP FOR COMMERCIAL RECREATIONAL USE.
AND YEAH, I THINK, I THINK IT'S, I I MEAN WE WILL INCORPORATE YOUR COMMENTS, BUT I THINK, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE A CLEAR, I I, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT PUTTING ASIDE WHAT COMMISSIONER MANLEY HAS HAD.
HIS COMMENTS WILL BE ON THE RECORD AND ALL OF THIS CITY COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER, SO THE CONSIDERATION OF RESTAURANT USES, THEY WILL BE CONSIDERING THAT ALREADY.
IT'S REALLY, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BE SPECIFIC IN YOUR RESOLUTION ABOUT WHAT YOU WANNA RECOMMEND US CHANGING, BECAUSE THEY, BY REVIEWING THIS ITEM, WILL BE CONSIDERING EVERYTHING THAT'S IN FRONT OF THEM.
BUT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING THAT WE CHANGE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL RECREATION INSTRUCTION AND FITNESS FACILITIES.
IF YOU LEAVE THE RESTAURANTS OUT ALTOGETHER, THEN I WOULD JUST VOTE NO ON THE MOTION.
AND MAYBE THAT WOULD DIRECT THEIR ATTENTION MORE TO A LOT OF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
UM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU SAY NO, BECAUSE, WELL, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION ON MY BUTTON HERE.
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THAT COMMENT.YOU CAN, BEFORE YOU VOTE, YOU CAN SAY WHY YOU'RE VOTING NO.
IN FACT, THAT'S REALLY HELPFUL WHEN WE WRITE THE STAFF REPORTS.
OKAY, LET ME TRY THIS AGAIN ONE MORE TIME.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION NUMBER 26 DASH EIGHT RECOMMENDING THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVE ZONE CHANGE 26 DASH TWO EXCEPT THAT COMMERCIAL RECREATION, FITNESS, AND INSTRUCTION USES STILL BE REQUIRED TO APPLY FOR CS.
AND IS IS THAT THE MOTION YOU SECOND COMMISSIONER, HOW ABOUT WE JUST SAY, SHALL REQUIRE A RECEIVE SHALL CONTINUE TO BE REQUIRE A CUP.
IT JUST SOUNDED, WE CAN HAVE THAT CLARIFICATION IF YOU'RE OKAY.
YEAH, I, THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO, YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT.
JUST, OH, I DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT AGAIN.
OKAY, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE A MOTION AND WE WE HAVE A SECOND.
ALRIGHT, EVERYBODY VOTE YOU WANT COMMENTS NOW OR AFTER AT THIS TIME YOU SHOULD MAKE YOUR COMMENT.
SO I'M GOING TO VOTE NO, AND I'LL JUST REITERATE, YOU KNOW, MY CONCERNS.
WHILE I CAN APPRECIATE THE INTENT TO MAKE OPENING BUSINESSES AND BRINGING BUSINESS TO LA HABRA LESS RESTRICTIVE, UM, I, I THINK WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, A, A DUTY, FRANKLY THAT WE WERE GIVEN BY THE CITY COUNCIL AS A MEMBER OF THIS COMMISSION TO HEAR A LOT OF THESE CS COME BEFORE US AND TO EVALUATE THEM AND TO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS, HEAR FROM RESIDENTS, UM, AND GIVE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION TO FACTORS, UM, RELATED TO THOSE PROJECTS CONCERNING RESTAURANTS, UM, AS IT RELATES TO ALCOHOL SALES IN THOSE RESTAURANTS, OR NOT JUST THE, THE RESTAURANTS IN GENERAL.
AND SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I WOULD LIKE THE CITY COUNCIL TO, UH, DISCUSS FURTHER AND CONSIDER CONTINUING THE CUP PROCESS FOR, FOR ALL RESTAURANTS, UH, OR AT MINIMUM FOR THE ONES THAT DO INTEND TO SELL, UH, ALCOHOL AS WELL.
AND FOR THOSE REASONS, I WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS MOTION AND HOPE THAT CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSES AND CONSIDERS ALL OF THAT.
MOTION PASSES THREE ONE WITH COMMISSIONER MANLEY VOTING.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM STAFF? UM, I'D JUST LIKE TO INFORM THE COMMISSION THAT THE NEXT SECOND MEETING IN MAY WILL BE CANCELED DUE TO A LACK OF ITEMS READY TO BE SCHEDULED.
THE NEXT REGULAR MEETING IS ANTICIPATED FOR JUNE THE EIGHTH.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM THE COMMISSIONERS? SURE.
UM, JUST WOULD LIKE CITY COUNCIL AND, AND PERHAPS STAFF TO JUST TAKE A LOOK AT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT CAN BE DONE, BUT THERE, THERE IS A, A RISING INCREASE IN THOSE DISCOUNT STORES POPPING UP THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY EVERYWHERE.
UM, AND IT SEEMS LIKE MANY OF THEM OPEN AND MANY OF THEM CLOSE.
AND, UM, TYPICALLY THEY ARE, I, I SEE THEM IN AREAS THAT KIND OF DILAPIDATED AND THEY COME IN AND THEN THEY CLOSE AND THEN THOSE AREAS, YOU KNOW, ARE, ARE EVEN MORE DILAPIDATED AND RUN DOWN THAN, THAN THEY WERE WHEN THEY GOT THERE.
UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT COULD BE DONE IN REGARDS TO THAT.
AND AS, AS THERE CONTINUES TO BE KIND OF AN INCREASE IN MASSAGE BUSINESSES OPENING UP, UM, ALL, ALL OVER AS WELL.
I KNOW SOME CITIES HAVE IMPOSED SOME RESTRICTIONS AND MIGHT BE COUNTERINTUITIVE TO WHAT THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT'S MEETING WAS, UM, BUT FOR THE CITY TO, UM, TO LOOK INTO THAT AND, AND SEE IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT WANT FOCUS SOME ATTENTION ON MOVING FORWARD.
BUT NOTHING OTHER THAN THAT AT THIS TIME.
I WOULD SAY IN THE SPIRIT OF THAT, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS THAT WE DO HAVE ARE SOME, WELL, I WANNA KNOW HOW THE CIRCUS GUY GOT THOSE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS TO ACTUALLY DO A PROJECT TOGETHER BECAUSE BOY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PROBLEM AREAS IN OUR CITIES, YOU KNOW, AN AREA THAT'S BEEN DILAPIDATED AND UNDERDEVELOPED FOR OVER 10 YEARS, IT'S THAT AREA WHERE THAT CIRCUS IS GONNA BE AND GREAT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A CIRCUS.
BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THAT DEVELOPED AND I'D LOVE TO SEE THOSE.
AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I GUESS THERE'S, THERE'S A CARROT, BUT THERE'S GOTTA BE A STICK TOO.
AND IF THERE ISN'T A WAY FOR THE CITY TO SOMEHOW FINE
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THESE LARGE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO JUST LET THESE PROPERTIES SIT DERELICT AND, AND DO NOTHING TO DEVELOP 'EM, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TAKE THEIR TAX WRITE-OFFS.THERE'S GOTTA BE A STICK SO WE CAN GET THEM TO DEVELOP THESE PROPERTIES.
YOU, YOU CAN STOP PRO APPROVING TEMPORARY USES WHERE THEY MAKE INCOME
SO PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT ON THE RECORD, BUT I DID.
SO IS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I WAS PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT SHE'S SAYING.
I WAS LOOKING AT SECURITY WALK HOMICIDE, I WAS LOOKING AT THE SECURITY WALK FROM WHERE THEY'RE PARKING.
NOT SO MUCH INSIDE THE CIRCUS.
I'M TALKING ABOUT FAMILIES AND PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING AND HAVE TO PASS ALL THE WAY PAST THESE OTHER PEOPLE'S RESIDENCE.
HOW ARE YOU TAKING CARE OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING AND THEN COMING AROUND ONCE YOU GET INSIDE, YOU HAVE YOUR SIX GUYS.
BUT MY CONCERN WAS THE FAMILIES COMING FROM AROUND THE CORNER NOW, I GUESS.
'CAUSE SINCE IT'S NOT RIGHT THERE.
SO THAT ALL, ALL THAT WAS JUST, UH, WHERE I REALLY WAS AT.
BUT, 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SIX GUYS OVER THERE,
UM, SO IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UH, AND NO BUSINESS, WE ARE ADJOURNED UNTIL JUNE THE EIGHTH.